POS need to stay... its the only mobile safe heaven for supercapitals

LOL we are not considering Keepstars as main save heaven to these ships righ?

WTB keepstar in every system!!!

You're jumping to conclusions a little fast aren't you? They could easily change mineral requirements for ships, modules, and the like... That would mean more isk in the MINER pocket, probably the same or more for the manufacturer, and it would eat away isk from the bounty payouts.

Look according to your graph there is over a quadrillion amount of isk in New eden. Now you have to ask yourself how is this nerf even going to matter on a macro scale, the answer is it is not. Content drives this game not isk, we are seeing anomalous figures because the content is stale. The content in this game is stale because the sov system does not encourage large entities to fight each other. The quality of small gang pvp is interdependent on large entities in this game going kinetic at each other. CCP you are building a house without a strong foundation it will collapse. Your number one priority is sov at this point, unless you want to take the game in a drastically different pubbie direction.

They may be tracked separately but are still paid as bounties.. And pay more PH than carrier ratting which makes Devs assertion that carriers need to be nerfed because they earn too much a straight out lie..
If incursions aren't included there is even more reason for Larrikin to show accurate and complete statistics for his 5 day period rather than an anomalous %.

Dishonesty as to motives has been a thing with CCP and this thread is a prime example of it.,.

Either way, this change is going to have detrimental affects right across the game - It not only affects ratters but every income stream associated with carriers and Supers in addition to market sales..
All my bling fits (most of my ships are either faction or deadspace fit) are being broken down to T2. Previews of potential new doctrines after the Pirate ship changes are T2 or at best a mix of faction and T2 (cheap and disposable). This will also impact markets as players can no longer afford those bling fits.

...are you just outright missing the (flat and considerably smaller) incursion data line on that chart, or are you just refusing to incorporate that information into your worldview?

It's because they are not focused on real facts. They believe something, so they went to their numbers to find some that said what they believe.

@Dev you should hire someone like this

As i was one of the people who lost his **** over the changes, i do think this was a good call on your part to "nerf your nerf". That being said it doesn't change how i feel. I have spent years and tons or real money and isk to get my toon to be able to fly a nyx perfectly. and i am by no way a rich man in eve. I am in no way a 1%er! In my opinion after these changes that investment is not worth what i feel it was. i did not inject in to one i did it the hard way with sweat and time and real money though subscribing. now my huge ship that cost me 10s of billions of isk is not worth anything anymore to me. i don't want to stress that enough TO ME. I do understand that you need to keep the market and economy right side up. but if you would have never added the cheat code "injectors" this would have never been as big as a problem as it is today. You wanted to go in the direction of EA with **** ton of micro-transactions . even after people like me already have to omega to continue to have the same out of the game. you have turned it in to a pay to win game. and i for one will still be finding other things to play. after a good 11 years playing. one last note about the comments made by CCP Quant. It doesn't matter if we are being "whiners" or not its not a good business practice to talk **** about the so called "1 percent" even if it was tried to be swept under the rug. remember we paid for this game to keep running when your log in numbers where low and you did not know where this game would be going.

This is simply rage at money making machines getting a nerf, we have seen this **** before. Did CCP **** up? Yes. I have seen this coming from day one of the carrier changes which is why I didn't bother to train any alts into it, the only surprise is that it took this long.

Yes! Carrier training was not smart idea. Much wiser idea is to undock fifty VNIs...

...this nerf is going to have very little impact in PvP because nobody uses them anyway. Hell, carriers are a bit of a rarity too, its mostly just FAX and dreads.

- What about not letting the damn things in anoms in the first place? Wouldn't that be better?

- What about changing some numbers so that the rats blast the fighters out of the sky at a much higher rate?

- What about bringing back a triage module so that the damn thing has to be immobile for minutes at a time to deploy fighters to any effect?

I don't get the mentality and sentiment. You want big fat multi-billion ISK super-ships which are only good for, and only used for, PvE?

If yes, I think it's sad and silly, but whatever. We have big end game ships that are only good for PvE. What a buzzkill.

If no, then why aren't you supporting fixing the damn things? Isn't this going the opposite direction - nerfing them?

Beyond that, isn't it stupid beyond all measure to fix their stupid problem IN THIS MANNER? We're gonna nerf an 'effing ship because of ISK? Really? Like, isn't there literally a million other things you could do to fix the problem rather than nerf an 'effing ship?

- What about not letting the damn things in anoms in the first place? Wouldn't that be better?

- What about changing some numbers so that the rats blast the fighters out of the sky at a much higher rate?

- What about bringing back a triage module so that the damn thing has to be immobile for minutes at a time to deploy fighters to any effect?

Christ man, that's three things off the top of my head IN 30 SECONDS OF THOUGHT. What could I come up with if I actually spent a little time and energy and thought about it?

You mean this was the only damn solution to come up with, and you're happy with it?

*sigh*

Can you please hire a someone who understands statistical analysis.

Taking a "snapshot" from 5 days in "June" is like looking at your bank account during St Paddys day and declaring you have a years worth of drinking behaviour.

Qualitative Analysis. Please please get a book on this and come back to us with some concrete evidence that doesn't orbit Delve and Goons.

Yes! Carrier training was not a smart idea. Much wiser idea is to undock fifty money making mini-machines called VNI...

*sigh*

Can you please hire a someone who understands statistical analysis.

Taking a "snapshot" from 5 days in "June" is like looking at your bank account during St Paddys day and declaring you have a years worth of drinking behaviour.

Qualitative Analysis. Please please get a book on this and come back to us with some concrete evidence that doesn't orbit Delve and Goons.

The daily data is there to download and it is not good. Average amount of ISK entering the economy on a monthly basis up to November 2016 7 trillion. In May 2017, 53 trillion or about a 757% increase. Further, the first 5 days of June are showing another month with a high growth rate for ISK.

Further, in looking at the daily data, after about mid April the number of days with negative ISK growth virtually disappeared, whereas before they were more frequent and of larger magnitude.

I too can massage data to justify a false conclusion!

Per Quant's 2015 presentation
1.5% of the games population logged in and ran incursions

This group accounted for at the time 8.36T worth of income

Assuming linear growth of the player base based on the increase in incursion income
May 2017th Income is 9.92T.

This was a growth of 18.68% of income. The estimated population of incursion runners is 1.66%.

So Rounding up to 1.7% to be consistent with the chart made by Quant.
We have 1.7% of the games population accounting for 9.92T income.

To compare this with the numbers posted by Larrikin in the first post
22.3% (2.3T) of the ISK was generated by 1.4% of characters earning bounties, using Supercarriers
24.2% (2.6T) of the ISK was generated by 4.8% of characters earning bounties, using Carriers
19.1% (2T) of the ISK was generated by 16.6% of characters earning bounties, using T1 Cruisers

Incursion runners are about 21% more of a player base than SuperCarriers but result in 331% more income per character.