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Na'Kunni Amarr Null Horizon	Posted - 2007.06.19 22:48:00 - [1] Edited by: Na''Kunni on 19/06/2007 23:20:55 Can't we make Thermodynamic's only require Engineering level 5 + Energy Management/science level 4 I find this rather odd, as the noob's (I have quite a nice few mil SP tucked under the belt, so don't class myself as a total noob) already have a hard time to keep up with the vet's, and now with heat here. They can pwn even more given they know what they're doing. I see/hope this will be sorted out in the future, but for now look's like im gonna have to train it to keep inline, and once again go off my goal, AGAIN.... whine over. Discuss once you all come out of game!!
Tyr Vaantau Amarr Peregrin Avionics	Posted - 2007.06.19 22:49:00 - [2] Originally by: Na'Kunni Can't we make Thermodynamic's only require Engineering level 5 + Energy Management/science level 4 I find this rather odd, as the noob's (I have quite a nice few mil SP tucked under the belt, so don't class myself as a total noob) already have a hard time to keep up with the vet's, and now with heat here. They can pwn even more given they know what they're doing. I see/hope this will be sorted out in the future, but for now look's like im gonna have to train it to keep inline, and once again go off my goal, AGAIN.... whine over. Discuss once you all come out of game!! What are the current requirements? ------
Iyanah Minmatar Mining Munitions and Mayhem R i s e	Posted - 2007.06.19 22:52:00 - [3] Originally by: Na'Kunni Can't we make Thermodynamic's only require Engineering level 5 + Energy Management/science level 4 I find this rather odd, as the noob's (I have quite a nice few mil SP tucked under the belt, so don't class myself as a total noob) already have a hard time to keep up with the vet's, and now with heat here. They can pwn even more given they know what they're doing. I see/hope this will be sorted out in the future, but for now look's like im gonna have to train it to keep inline, and once again go off my goal, AGAIN.... whine over. Discuss once you all come out of game!! aww, look, it's like salvaging all over again. man up and get training, son. they nerfed the requirements to earn salvaging by two levels or something after it was released - and about 24 hours before level 5 of whatever skill it was finished training for me. wasted a good few days training a skill that i no longer needed because of people like you. ========================================== Iy please remember: I AM a sarcastic ******* and nothing i say has ever represented the thoughts or feelings of my corp, alliance, or anyone really. read
Ishina Fel Caldari Synergy. Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.06.19 22:52:00 - [4] Heat is not supposed to be a feature everyone uses in every battle and/or mission. Heat is supposed to be a "Oh ****!" button you press when you're already done for, in hopes that it will save your hide at the cost of a couple offlined modules, so you can creep back to a station and repair. I don't think you're missing out on much anyway. After the first time testing it, I suppose you come to the exact same conclusion as the paragraph above - that it isn't worth doing it all the time anyway. So I wouldn't give it too much of a 'must have' factor.
Na'Kunni Amarr Null Horizon	Posted - 2007.06.19 22:53:00 - [5] Originally by: Tyr Vaantau Originally by: Na'Kunni Can't we make Thermodynamic's only require Engineering level 5 + Energy Management/science level 4 I find this rather odd, as the noob's (I have quite a nice few mil SP tucked under the belt, so don't class myself as a total noob) already have a hard time to keep up with the vet's, and now with heat here. They can pwn even more given they know what they're doing. I see/hope this will be sorted out in the future, but for now look's like im gonna have to train it to keep inline, and once again go off my goal, AGAIN.... whine over. Discuss once you all come out of game!! What are the current requirements? Engineering level 5 Energy Management Level 5 Science level 4 It's the energy management i find to be abit OTT to sue heat, who's ever idea that was needs taking care off I hope it can be put down a lil
ghosttr Amarr ARK-CORP FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.19 22:56:00 - [6] It seems that every new feature they add into the game takes longer & longer to use. First it was the salvaging requirements, but now the pos defense and overheating skills are requiring really high prerequisites And just you watch, they're going to wait till i get ****ed off enough to actually bother to train those ridiculous prerequisites. Then right after i finish training they will reduce the requirements. Long training queues ftl CCP Stop the carebear whine, Fix Cloaking
Na'Kunni Amarr Null Horizon	Posted - 2007.06.19 23:00:00 - [7] Edited by: Na''Kunni on 19/06/2007 23:01:28 Originally by: Iyanah because of people like you. I feel offended by that. I am not ur usual whiner, infact I have NEVER whined about anything (or atleast made a special thread for something im unhappy with, until this one), so next time before you refer me to a group i'm not in, please think wisely next time an chose your words.
Felysta Sandorn Caldari System-Lords E N I G M A	Posted - 2007.06.19 23:01:00 - [8] Energy Management is a skill that all Amarr pilots need to train anyway to remain competitive, being 'the cap race', so I think the skill requirements should be reduced a little anyway, just to keep Amarr players that little bit ahead of everyone else with cap... Meh... Doesn't really bother me as I have all those skills anyway! Latest Video, Click Here!
Benglada Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2007.06.19 23:03:00 - [9] Edited by: Benglada on 19/06/2007 23:02:38 Originally by: Na'Kunni Originally by: Tyr Vaantau Originally by: Na'Kunni Can't we make Thermodynamic's only require Engineering level 5 + Energy Management/science level 4 I find this rather odd, as the noob's (I have quite a nice few mil SP tucked under the belt, so don't class myself as a total noob) already have a hard time to keep up with the vet's, and now with heat here. They can pwn even more given they know what they're doing. I see/hope this will be sorted out in the future, but for now look's like im gonna have to train it to keep inline, and once again go off my goal, AGAIN.... whine over. Discuss once you all come out of game!! What are the current requirements? Engineering level 5 Energy Management Level 5 Science level 4 It's the energy management i find to be abit OTT to sue heat, who's ever idea that was needs taking care off I hope it can be put down a lil iv got those \0/ Edit: thats the cap one.... no i dont. damned. --------------------------- Originally by: Arkanor 0.0 is the Final Frontier. Bring money and friends. Sig nerfz0r - maximum allowed siz0r is 24000 bytz0r. - Devil ([email protected]) Sig By Ortos
Kellyl Free Traders	Posted - 2007.06.19 23:04:00 - [10] Quote: Engineering level 5 Energy Management Level 5 Everyone should have these skills anyway :/. Originally by: HippoKing pretty much all caldari ships ming something terrible
MotherMoon	Posted - 2007.06.19 23:04:00 - [11] I think it's a nerf to nos
Drachma Golea Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2007.06.19 23:13:00 - [12] A true whine fest thread indeed
Na'Kunni Amarr Null Horizon	Posted - 2007.06.19 23:14:00 - [13] Edited by: Na''Kunni on 19/06/2007 23:15:01 Originally by: Kellyl Quote: Engineering level 5 Energy Management Level 5 Everyone should have these skills anyway :/. Yes but I dont have problems with my cap anyways, so i like to have energy managment at 4 for now, while it rian up much mroe needed skills like gunner/mechanics/ect ect, engineering 5 is soon to be trained... But basically a rank 4 skill to lvl 5 (totalling the 1x for engineering, an 3x for energy managemtn) when the actually skill is only rank 3 take the biscuit dont ya think?
ho chiminh Gallente SlackaNova	Posted - 2007.06.19 23:14:00 - [14] What are the current requirements? Engineering level 5 Energy Management Level 5 Science level 4 It's the energy management i find to be abit OTT to sue heat, who's ever idea that was needs taking care off I hope it can be put down a lil Please explain why you have not already maximized your powergrid and capacitor storage!?!?! These are essential skills for any 6 month old character.
Adam Weishaupt Minmatar Pyrrhus Sicarii Aftermath Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.19 23:15:00 - [15] Originally by: MotherMoon I think it's a nerf to nos Nice avatar.
Na'Kunni Amarr Null Horizon	Posted - 2007.06.19 23:18:00 - [16] Originally by: Ishina Fel Heat is supposed to be a "Oh **!" button you press when you're already done for, Yes an won't that "oh **" button be best for noob's rather than vet's who can hold thier own ???
Commander Madrox Technology Ventures Inc. Ghosts Syndicate	Posted - 2007.06.19 23:23:00 - [17] OMG JUST BE QUIET OR GO FLY NOOB SHIPS all i here these days is O i can't kill this NERF IT! O it takes to long to TRAIN SHORTEN IT. I AM SCARED of the cloaked ships i want to be able to SCAN them and FIND THEM! all i have to say this just be quiet. if you don't like it go play a different game that is as mindless and toony. something that doesn't take time and skill to be compentent at!!!!! at a week old i was living in a low sec at a month i have more kill points than anyone in my corp! i kill things for fun
jakamo Middle Finger Technology Ghosts Syndicate	Posted - 2007.06.19 23:24:00 - [18] i always liked you madd!
lin ta	Posted - 2007.06.19 23:27:00 - [19] new content is not free man. if ya been around longer than it costs less training time. i calculated it taked a year to get all the basic skills out of the way, at that your vested for new things...unless we talk about the really big things like cap ships and pos, then it's another year.
Na'Kunni Amarr Null Horizon	Posted - 2007.06.19 23:28:00 - [20] Originally by: Commander Madrox OMG JUST BE QUIET OR GO FLY NOOB SHIPS all i here these days is O i can't kill this NERF IT! O it takes to long to TRAIN SHORTEN IT. I AM SCARED of the cloaked ships i want to be able to SCAN them and FIND THEM! all i have to say this just be quiet. if you don't like it go play a different game that is as mindless and toony. something that doesn't take time and skill to be compentent at!!!!! STFU, I ahte people like you, who think they can come into a thread an tell someone to go play another ***** game because you don't like to hear them whine.Yes i admit im whining, but if you don't like it ** of an ivnade someone elses thread, or add something useful. I'm just saying i think the skill requirement is abit too much, that's it... final, this is a request, not ment for flames or anything like that, if the request doesn't get alot of support/doesn't get accepted. Then fine I live with it, but unti then GTFO if you aint got any useful to say
Gareth Angel The Plexus Syndicate The Order of New Eden	Posted - 2007.06.19 23:29:00 - [21] To be really honest - I am a little tired of reading whines from people that they can't start training a new skill immediately, because they do not have the prerequisit ones yet. Now you know what you have to start training, right? Please stop accusing others from starting to play Eve much earlier than you did. The game was there for you too back then, you didn't start playing --> your mistake. "The vets can start training this skill immediately..." - Helloooooooo! That's why they're VETS! Come on, please! CCP already changed a lot for new players. New player is not the same as vet. Not in the same league, skillpoint-wise. Unfair? Don't think so... Not my fault you slacked and started playing Eve much later than I did, okay? And yes, I meet the prerequired skills, so I can start training immediately. And I am a 'young vet' only, being almost three years old. Others have more sp's than I. Am I complaining about that? Now start training those skills, not that hard, tbh.
M'Balz Es'Hari Amarr Viziam	Posted - 2007.06.19 23:32:00 - [22] By the lords of Cobal, I just donÆt understand why CCP is putting this skill in the game. They have been working and tweaking ship resistances, damage dealing and HP so players have a chance to make it out of an Alpha Strike situation. Now they turn right around and give the Alpha Strike setup a boost? I genuinely hate to be critical of CCP and I havenÆt even played the new patch but am I missing something here?
Commander Madrox Technology Ventures Inc. Ghosts Syndicate	Posted - 2007.06.19 23:33:00 - [23] Edited by: Commander Madrox on 19/06/2007 23:34:18 ok heres why its so high right now because if it was any lower more ppl would have it right away and it would be very unbalancing to ppl who just started playing i am honestly just sick of the whining in general be glad you start with a mil in skill points at a week old i was living in a low sec at a month i have more kill points than anyone in my corp! i kill things for fun
Aioa Planetary Assault Systems	Posted - 2007.06.19 23:43:00 - [24] Don't worry, CCP will cave in within a week and reduce it
Fable Hike Gallente	Posted - 2007.06.19 23:44:00 - [25] its fine ************************************ You are going too fast! Wait a minute and try again. *************************************
Shiwan Khan Black Omega Security Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.06.19 23:45:00 - [26] Edited by: Shiwan Khan on 19/06/2007 23:52:29 We trained these skills, so now you have to train the skills. Edit - How about we just make it so when you start a new character you have all the skills ingame already set at lvl 5. That way there will be no division and everyone will be exactly the same. That sounds like fun! ____________________________________________ AEKDB
XxGridlockxX	Posted - 2007.06.19 23:47:00 - [27] Yeah CCP while your at it can you Reduce the Skills for titan to Spaceship command 3 and Frigate 3...oh yeah also can you change it so i just press one button to win eve thanks..... ( if you whine they shall succumb... ) "Eve online motto"
Na'Kunni Amarr Null Horizon	Posted - 2007.06.19 23:53:00 - [28] All you people telling me to stop whining, your all wrong, I have a right to express my opinion, I pay for this game aswell as you do, I gave my opinion and it sticks as still being to high regardless of whether i want to go train it. the thing im saying with vet's is, most (not all), will probably have energy management 5/engineering 5 + a **load of other skills & SP, already using most T2 stuff/best setup, rich as ** with faction modules ect ect. ya get where im coming from??, but yet ims till ont he training curve, of actually becoming effective in a BC, an not just a ceptor. And im guessing a hell of a lot of people are in the same boat, but then they ahve to re-route thier training to train for an extra 5% cap & to use "Heat". And again ill will tell you, this is a request, which is also a whine, either post something usefull like a few have "hats of to you", but for the people who are saying "go play other game, ur jus a whinz0r", please refrain from posting.
Milena Marich	Posted - 2007.06.19 23:54:00 - [29] Energy Management Level 5 is not fair since not every one is Amarr pilot. Crazy...
Na'Kunni Amarr Null Horizon	Posted - 2007.06.19 23:57:00 - [30] Originally by: Shiwan Khan Edited by: Shiwan Khan on 19/06/2007 23:52:29 We trained these skills, so now you have to train the skills. Edit - How about we just make it so when you start a new character you have all the skills ingame already set at lvl 5. That way there will be no division and everyone will be exactly the same. That sounds like fun! Once again, this isn't like im asking for alot, and no having all the skills at 5 wen u create a cahracter is just stupid an no fun would come of it

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