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Na'Kunni
Amarr Null Horizon
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Posted - 2007.06.20 09:56:00 -
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Originally by: DroppedAschild Having EM 5 trained will problably save your sorry asses more often then heat will.
No it wnt, like i said above, a Cap Booster (yup the might Cap Booster), will save your ass, not an extra 4% recharge. Jeez i never leave home without a cap recharger/booster anyways, so it's not like my sorry ass is gonna get wtfpwnd, because i dint have it to level 5.
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Luke Pubcrawler
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Posted - 2007.06.20 09:57:00 -
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I would have no problem dropping the EM requirement to 4. That would still mean heat took a fair bit of training to use without making it quite so awkward - a lvl5 and 2 4s is a fairly signifiicant requirement.
(Before anyone comments I already have the current skills and can schedule thermo training anytime I want, so this is not an appeal to make my own life easier.)
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Edania
Caldari Ordo Adeptus Astartes Edge Of Sanity
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Posted - 2007.06.20 10:00:00 -
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Originally by: Na'Kunni Edited by: Na''Kunni on 20/06/2007 09:49:32
Originally by: Edania just a brief note not flaming or anything but to base assumptions on a persons corp name is a very bad thing to do, many a pirate corp has an industrial sounding name just to prey on people who think like that
*cough*, why i said wait till i check in-game
if it turns out nto to be my post gets deleted.... read my post FTW
EDIT - I did check
Miners Developers Defenders
I stays
and if you were a pirate corp and went to the trouble of a a nice sounding name you think then in the corp description they would put, nah only kidding were gonna kill you and take your stuff?
Quote: my Clone was excelent, i just had too many skillpoints
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Kuolematon
Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.06.20 10:04:00 -
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Thermodynamics lvl4 after DT
"to be honest it makes me wonder about the mental state of a person who would join a corp called Space Perverts and Forum warriors"
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Na'Kunni
Amarr Null Horizon
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Posted - 2007.06.20 10:04:00 -
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Originally by: Edania
Originally by: Na'Kunni Edited by: Na''Kunni on 20/06/2007 09:49:32
Originally by: Edania just a brief note not flaming or anything but to base assumptions on a persons corp name is a very bad thing to do, many a pirate corp has an industrial sounding name just to prey on people who think like that
*cough*, why i said wait till i check in-game
if it turns out nto to be my post gets deleted.... read my post FTW
EDIT - I did check
Miners Developers Defenders
I stays
and if you were a pirate corp and went to the trouble of a a nice sounding name you think then in the corp description they would put, nah only kidding were gonna kill you and take your stuff?
Well considering only 4 ppl in the corp, Gnulpie is the CEO, I wouldnt really think it was a big time pirate corp, jus a few friends having fun, mining thier life away staring at roids.
Anyways were talkin about Thermodynamics here not some miner (maybe pvp) cop, lets not derail plz
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Na'Kunni
Amarr Null Horizon
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Posted - 2007.06.20 10:05:00 -
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Originally by: Kuolematon Thermodynamics lvl4 after DT
i forgot YOU ARE "UBER" ZOMG quick....... ruuunnn.
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Na'Kunni
Amarr Null Horizon
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Posted - 2007.06.20 10:08:00 -
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Edited by: Na''Kunni on 20/06/2007 10:07:33 enuff of ym stupid replies anyways, i jus wanna say.
I think it is stupid for the requirement to get it, my argument sticks, and i shall keep it up, until there is no more support, or until CCP say otherwise..
I'm already geared up to take a bashing 2day also from the people with EM5 already saying to stop whining an get it training.... but they failed to realise WHEN did they get EM5?? i would say atleast a year into thier char (thats jus a guess not facts). But yet we have sink to train is to use the new feature..
Bright idea imo...
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Barbarellas Daughter
Lonely Barbarella
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Posted - 2007.06.20 10:09:00 -
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Originally by: Milena Marich Energy Management Level 5 is not fair since not every one is Amarr pilot. Crazy...
so its the long promised amarr boost? ____________________________________________
Originally by: Marduk Felzhen You have an amazing cleavage, except you have no arms :(
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Na'Kunni
Amarr Null Horizon
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Posted - 2007.06.20 10:11:00 -
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Originally by: Barbarellas Daughter
Originally by: Milena Marich Energy Management Level 5 is not fair since not every one is Amarr pilot. Crazy...
so its the long promised amarr boost?
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Valan
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Posted - 2007.06.20 10:13:00 -
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People complaining about having to train a useful skill to train a limited use skill.
/start sig I love old characters that post 'I've beeen playing the game three years' when I know their account has been sold on. /end sig |
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qantua gnartians
Gallente Phoenix Wing Acheron Federation
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Posted - 2007.06.20 10:17:00 -
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Originally by: Kellyl
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Engineering level 5 Energy Management Level 5
Everyone should have these skills anyway :/.
Everybody should be a 25M SP char right?
Thats just a void argument, training time is specialisation, and people have to balance it prioritising certain skills over others.
Making a panic button thats not that great, require more then 20 days of training for some, is just well stupid, anu noob training for it will be severely less capable than those that chose to actually specialise.
I really hate the fact that CCP now have cluttered my UI With a whole bunch of buttons i wont have any use for in the forseeable future.
Heat needs to be less visible on the UI or be instant avaliable.
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Alex Tremayne
Lyrus Associates Betrayal Under Mayhem
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Posted - 2007.06.20 10:17:00 -
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Sorry. I have no sympathy. EM 5 is one of those 'must have' skills I'm afraid and you should get it anyway.
Plus, not all new content should be available instantly to low SP characters. Suck it up.
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Na'Kunni
Amarr Null Horizon
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Posted - 2007.06.20 10:19:00 -
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Originally by: Alex Tremayne Sorry. I have no sympathy. EM 5 is one of those 'must have' skills I'm afraid and you should get it anyway.
Plus, not all new content should be available instantly to low SP characters. Suck it up.
But yet they will be advertising it, to attract new players....
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Ajulutsikael
Hedion University
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Posted - 2007.06.20 10:19:00 -
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Originally by: qantua gnartians
Originally by: Kellyl
Quote:
Engineering level 5 Energy Management Level 5
Everyone should have these skills anyway :/.
Everybody should be a 25M SP char right?
No. Everyone with 5 mil SP and any sense at all should already have those skills anyway.
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Edania
Caldari Ordo Adeptus Astartes Edge Of Sanity
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Posted - 2007.06.20 10:20:00 -
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yes yes yes your argument is valid
but the other 30 people who also commented have equally valid arguments
the problem of course is CCP is likely to accede to these (demands)requests as they have shown an increasing likelyhood to do my issue isnt with thermodynamics itself but with the devaluation of accomplishments and planning, a much larger issue than one currently essentially pointless skill, (yep ive tried it on test and its just groundwork for future developments)
yesterday it was salvaging today it may be thermodynamics, people will assume that CCP will cave in and make more demands and therefore will do so until were besotted with people who dont wish to earn they wish to be given
people who look to the future by training survey 5 got shafted more than people who bundled thru and whined about the high cost
Quote: my Clone was excelent, i just had too many skillpoints
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ghosttr
Amarr ARK-CORP FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.20 10:21:00 -
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Originally by: Alex Tremayne Sorry. I have no sympathy. EM 5 is one of those 'must have' skills I'm afraid and you should get it anyway.
Plus, not all new content should be available instantly to low SP characters. Suck it up.
Shouldn't be available 'instantly' as you say. but it should not take extreme amounts of time either. LV4 as requirements is fine, that means that will probably end up investing about 1-2 weeks of time, which is feasible for a newer 1-month-1 1/2 months is not as feasible.
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Lacco
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Posted - 2007.06.20 10:23:00 -
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na'kunni, if you have not realised yet, this game takes quite a bit of time to learn skills for certain things. for example an interdictor might take up to 2,5 months of training including the sphere launcher. if you start to think about the skills that are important to you(and as it seems you have already made clear that there are more important skills to be trained than energy management V) and start to measure the time spent on training them, you might actually realise that 2 weeks of training is not a big thing. you will eventually come into a situation where you will have to train 1 skill for 2 weeks or even a longer period of time.
what you should do is to make a plan of the skills you want to get at some point. you could also download a program called EveMon. that will help you to see exactly how long time it takes to go trough your skilltraining.
and one more thing to the people who whine about all the new skills like pos stuff etc. you DONT have to train them all. you can be picky, you can choose what skills you want, and it is better to do so. if your a new guy and you want to train every single ship and module in this game, it might be a pain in the ass.
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Alex Tremayne
Lyrus Associates Betrayal Under Mayhem
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Posted - 2007.06.20 10:26:00 -
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Originally by: Na'Kunni
Originally by: Alex Tremayne Sorry. I have no sympathy. EM 5 is one of those 'must have' skills I'm afraid and you should get it anyway.
Plus, not all new content should be available instantly to low SP characters. Suck it up.
But yet they will be advertising it, to attract new players....
What's your point? They use cruisers and battleships to attract new players too and it's not like you can fly thm instantly. I reiterate: not everything should be available to n00bs.
Oh, and Ajulutsikeal above is me too. Damn forums picking my alt as default.
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Fable Hike
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.06.20 10:27:00 -
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Originally by: Barbarellas Daughter
Originally by: Milena Marich Energy Management Level 5 is not fair since not every one is Amarr pilot. Crazy...
so its the long promised amarr boost?
25% tracking buff for Pule aint enough?
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ghosttr
Amarr ARK-CORP FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.20 10:28:00 -
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Originally by: Alex Tremayne
Originally by: Na'Kunni
Originally by: Alex Tremayne Sorry. I have no sympathy. EM 5 is one of those 'must have' skills I'm afraid and you should get it anyway.
Plus, not all new content should be available instantly to low SP characters. Suck it up.
But yet they will be advertising it, to attract new players....
What's your point? They use cruisers and battleships to attract new players too and it's not like you can fly thm instantly. I reiterate: not everything should be available to n00bs.
Oh, and Ajulutsikeal above is me too. Damn forums picking my alt as default.
Yes but they can also train up & use a battleship in their first month. The skills are streamlined so new players can get into a broader range of stuff. I dont think anyone would stay tih this game if they had to learn frigate V to be able to fly a cruiser.
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Lyn Bunnions
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Posted - 2007.06.20 10:30:00 -
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EM V takes about 17 days to train for. It's borderline useless and an insane time sink.
However, as another poster said on another forum: Just don't train TD and you'll have the benefit of never laggily/accidentally blowing up your guns. :P
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Valan
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Posted - 2007.06.20 10:35:00 -
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Originally by: Alex Tremayne Sorry. I have no sympathy. EM 5 is one of those 'must have' skills I'm afraid and you should get it anyway.
Plus, not all new content should be available instantly to low SP characters. Suck it up.
Yes but a must have skill isn't half as attractive to most people as p4wn3er 1111!!! skill that's a little impractical.
That's why they call them noobs.
Just sit back on a well fitted powerful ship and wait, when they're not killing you fast enough they'll hit the OMG! button over heat and die horribly.
/start sig I love old characters that post 'I've beeen playing the game three years' when I know their account has been sold on. /end sig |
Aramendel
Amarr Queens of the Stone Age Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2007.06.20 10:37:00 -
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Originally by: Ajulutsikael No. Everyone with 5 mil SP and any sense at all should already have those skills anyway.
You are being sarcastic, right?
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Amberly Coteaz
Amarr Tarnak inc. Coalition of Carebear Killers
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Posted - 2007.06.20 10:38:00 -
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Originally by: Lyn Bunnions EM V takes about 17 days to train for. It's borderline useless and an insane time sink.
Bordeline useless?
I think the skill requirments are perfectly fine. I wont be getting it for another two or three months yet since I need to finish the rest of my core support skills to V like navigation, AWU (well IV for this), etc. But I always planned to get it anyway, being Amarr and all
To behonest if advanced weapons upgrades came out this patch people would probably whine that weapon upgrades V as a pre-req was borderline usless and an insane time sink...
Diablo 2 is five years old, and apparently that makes it more mature than the people who play it. |
Alex Tremayne
Lyrus Associates Betrayal Under Mayhem
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Posted - 2007.06.20 10:41:00 -
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Originally by: ghosttr
Originally by: Alex Tremayne Sorry. I have no sympathy. EM 5 is one of those 'must have' skills I'm afraid and you should get it anyway.
Plus, not all new content should be available instantly to low SP characters. Suck it up.
Shouldn't be available 'instantly' as you say. but it should not take extreme amounts of time either. LV4 as requirements is fine, that means that will probably end up investing about 1-2 weeks of time, which is feasible for a newer 1-month-1 1/2 months is not as feasible.
Still not seeing a problem with that. Not all specialist skills should be quick to train for, and 'heat' particularly is quite specialized in my opinion. I'm pleased to finally see a new facet of EVE that not only has reasonably high entry prerequisites, but that those prerequisites are also worth training in the first place and not just insane timesinks like Advanced Spaceship Command for example. So it takes a n00b a couple of months to get the ability to use heat. So what?
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Wendat Huron
Lupus Industries
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Posted - 2007.06.20 10:43:00 -
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As an amarr without Energy Management at lvl5 already I pity you.
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Disco Flint
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.06.20 10:44:00 -
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Here's some fun facts: PvPing in Recons? Not available in 2 weeks. Solo running every level4 mission without a sweat? Not available in 2 weeks. Setting up a POS with your corp in lowsec/0.0? Not available in 2 weeks. Duking it out in epic (read: laggy) fleetbattles? Not available in 2 weeks. Running support for a gang in Logistics or Command Ships? Not available in 2 weeks. Mining & refining at reasonable efficiency? Not available in 2 weeks. Hauling valuable goods only to lose your freighter to a suicide gank? Not availab... I think you catch my drift.
These are all features that define EVE and these are all features that attract players; yet they demand a lot of investment in skills, time and ISK.
The very idea that you can PvP only versus people in the same skillpoint range is very flawed and imported from other MMOs.
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Trak Cranker
Feral Tendency Ratel Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.20 10:44:00 -
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I can, at least skillwise, be considered a vet(have the debated prereqs) - and I don't quite understand either why they have made heat have such prereqs.
If they had given them lower prereqs, I would have upped the rank on Thermodynamics though.
But as it is presented as a general gameplay addition, I think access perhaps should have been slightly more attainable, to give newer players a way to manage and sqeeze a little extra out of their already underpowered ships.
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Alex Tremayne
Lyrus Associates Betrayal Under Mayhem
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Posted - 2007.06.20 10:45:00 -
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Originally by: ghosttr
Originally by: Alex Tremayne
Originally by: Na'Kunni
Originally by: Alex Tremayne Sorry. I have no sympathy. EM 5 is one of those 'must have' skills I'm afraid and you should get it anyway.
Plus, not all new content should be available instantly to low SP characters. Suck it up.
But yet they will be advertising it, to attract new players....
What's your point? They use cruisers and battleships to attract new players too and it's not like you can fly thm instantly. I reiterate: not everything should be available to n00bs.
Oh, and Ajulutsikael above is me too. Damn forums picking my alt as default.
Yes but they can also train up & use a battleship in their first month. The skills are streamlined so new players can get into a broader range of stuff. I dont think anyone would stay tih this game if they had to learn frigate V to be able to fly a cruiser.
Sure, if you had to get frig V to fly cruisers that would suck, but 'heat' to me has always felt more like a T2 level ability rather than a T2 level ability and as such should have entry requirements commensurate with that level.
Oh, and while a one or two month old character may be able to get in a BS, they won't be able to use it worth a damn.
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Alex Tremayne
Lyrus Associates Betrayal Under Mayhem
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Posted - 2007.06.20 10:49:00 -
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Originally by: ghosttr
Originally by: Alex Tremayne
Originally by: ghosttr
Originally by: Alex Tremayne Sorry. I have no sympathy. EM 5 is one of those 'must have' skills I'm afraid and you should get it anyway.
Plus, not all new content should be available instantly to low SP characters. Suck it up.
Shouldn't be available 'instantly' as you say. but it should not take extreme amounts of time either. LV4 as requirements is fine, that means that will probably end up investing about 1-2 weeks of time, which is feasible for a newer 1-month-1 1/2 months is not as feasible.
Still not seeing a problem with that. Not all specialist skills should be quick to train for, and 'heat' particularly is quite specialized in my opinion. I'm pleased to finally see a new facet of EVE that not only has reasonably high entry prerequisites, but that those prerequisites are also worth training in the first place and not just insane timesinks like Advanced Spaceship Command for example. So it takes a n00b a couple of months to get the ability to use heat. So what?
Heat is not a mini-profession, I dont see you being a professional as 'oh **** im going to die, lets blow out my guns so i have a chance to save my ass.
To use your analogy: I see it as you being a professional enough engineer to have the abilty to even think about doing it without blowing your ship up.
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