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Francesca Dell'Agio	Posted - 2007.08.21 23:23:00 - [601] Originally by: Moraguth meh .. who's alt are you ..
Moraguth Amarr Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.08.21 23:28:00 - [602] Originally by: Francesca Dell'Agio Originally by: Moraguth meh .. who's alt are you .. I'm nobody's alt. This is my main. I'm too poor to have more than one character. Good attempt to discredit anything i have to say though, but meh to you too. good game
Moraguth Amarr Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.08.21 23:31:00 - [603] Originally by: Aeryn Davenport I think this is a weak idea. There are many business models that cannot function through the contract system. The forums are necessary for advertising unique business offers and services. Removing that possibility will simply stifle the creative potential of EVE entrepreneurs. For example, many people offer custom services like POS fuel delivery, custom sets of BPCs, or blueprint researching services. When exploration probes came out I offered a service selling custom BPC packs. Those are not things you can offer through the contracts system. Not only are the mechanics of the contract system insufficient for a wide range of businesses, but many services are not the type anyone would know to specifically look for and only stumble upon simply through browsing the forums, such as the exploration probe bpc packs I was selling. By removing our outlet for these unique services you are stifling the creativity of the EVE community. The contract system is far too limiting to allow for the wide range of services that had developed through the sell order forums. It shocks me that CCP would do something to so completely restrict innovative business models. I found quite a few of those "bpc packs" on the contract system. Probes, drones, missiles.... everything. It's pretty handy. I find them just by rummaging through the list when I make that god-aweful trip to jita. I try to make it worth my while, and do some window shopping while I'm there. POS fuel people? Courier contracts are amazing. I pay a little bit extra money, and people bring me my stuff ALL THE TIME. If i'm making them go through known gate camps or in to 0.0 i have to make it worth their while. I still (besides the motherships problem) have yet to see anybody come up with a problem that can't be solved using the tools we already have. good game
Butternut Squash Gallente Macabre Votum INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.08.21 23:33:00 - [604] Well i am contemplating having all my limbs chopped off, because apparently prosthetic ones sometimes work, sure there is no feeling and they look a bit ugly and are slow to respond ... but at least they are shiney /me checks date ... nope its not April 1st I am jealous of my wife ... she already has a titan :D
Moraguth Amarr Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.08.21 23:35:00 - [605] Originally by: Butternut Squash Well i am contemplating having all my limbs chopped off, because apparently prosthetic ones sometimes work, sure there is no feeling and they look a bit ugly and are slow to respond ... but at least they are shiney /me checks date ... nope its not April 1st I understand this is going to be difficult for many of you. Maybe I could start a class. I could charge 1M isk, it would take me 2 minutes to give you the tutorial, even typing, and you'd be good to go. (you as in everyone, not you specifically) good game
Andie1138	Posted - 2007.08.21 23:35:00 - [606] This is the lastest in a string of ill thought out ideas from CCP Trading is enhanced by the forums. I enjoy casually browsing the Sell forum looking for nothing in particular and often find items I want. Browsing contracts randomly is not really practical. With the forums you can bookmark interesting threads to come back to later. This is impossible with contracts. Unless someone can tell me how I can bookmark an auction without actually bidding. I really hope that this is not followed through.
Lithalnas Amarr Hadean Drive Yards Archaean Cooperative	Posted - 2007.08.21 23:35:00 - [607] How about drugs? which cannot be contracted ------------- Hadean Drive Yards
super bomberman	Posted - 2007.08.21 23:38:00 - [608] Nice change tbh I cant wait to see something i realy want on contracts, only to realsise i have to fly a 50 jump round trip to get it, or even place a bid, if im lucky i'll only get out bid when im less than half way back, then i wont feel bad about having to go all the way back again to up my bid. BOOM sarcasm
Moraguth Amarr Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.08.21 23:39:00 - [609] Originally by: Lithalnas How about drugs? which cannot be contracted Do you mean boosters? Like the ones in the market under "Implants and boosters" Or maybe things like Vitoc, on the market under trade goods? good game
Kylar Renpurs Dusk Blade	Posted - 2007.08.21 23:40:00 - [610] Edited by: Kylar Renpurs on 21/08/2007 23:41:44 Sell my shares please? Because contracts doesnt do that. Sell forum is the only way for me to advertise them without spamming the market discussion board with WTS's (where ironically the interested people live) Improve Market Competition!
Moraguth Amarr Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.08.21 23:41:00 - [611] Originally by: Kylar Renpurs Sell my shares please? Because contracts doesnt do that. Shares are pretty much for corporations and alliances right? (there's a handy forum for that) But that kinda sucks, I wish they'd implement some sort of stock market into the game to make the shares actually mean something. Right now, their use is pretty limited. good game
Kylar Renpurs Dusk Blade	Posted - 2007.08.21 23:43:00 - [612] Quote: Shares are pretty much for corporations and alliances right? (there's a handy forum for that) There's a forum for discussing businesses and the like. Not for selling them though. Improve Market Competition!
Gorek Loc Fine Art Manufactury	Posted - 2007.08.21 23:43:00 - [613] The sell order forum has more posts than any other forum. Sell order forum has ~89K post Eve General Discussion (a.k.a. whine forum) has ~77K posts Ships & modules has ~48k posts All the other forums are below 30K posts. This tells me one thing. People use the sell forums alot! specifically because of the lack of options in the contracts system. When you have improved the contracts with some of the excellent suggestions in these threads (good luck on finding the se posts again ) you can try to shoot the forums down again. Until then, leave the forums open to business. --- Compare items ? Image 1 - Image 2 Thanks to Daetusk.
VBboy The Phoenix Rising FreeFall Securities	Posted - 2007.08.21 23:44:00 - [614] I see so many problems to this! I think it will just move to another website not supported by CCP and that will be ashame!
Gorek Loc Fine Art Manufactury	Posted - 2007.08.21 23:47:00 - [615] Maybe CCP has an alterior motive ? could the lotteries in the sell forums be a reason ? or the numerous scams that lead to petitions ? Forums use too much server capacity (fit a Cap Recharger II!) ? At least tell us why you feel the need to close the most used forums. --- Compare items ? Image 1 - Image 2 Thanks to Daetusk.
Gaunty Macabre Votum INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.08.21 23:47:00 - [616] I haven't gone through every post in this topic so apologies if its covered but how can people buy Supercapitals with no sell order forum? Didn't think they could be put on contract.
Moraguth Amarr Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.08.21 23:48:00 - [617] Originally by: Gorek Loc The sell order forum has more posts than any other forum. Sell order forum has ~89K post Eve General Discussion (a.k.a. whine forum) has ~77K posts Ships & modules has ~48k posts All the other forums are below 30K posts. This tells me one thing. People use the sell forums alot! specifically because of the lack of options in the contracts system. When you have improved the contracts with some of the excellent suggestions in these threads (good luck on finding the se posts again ) you can try to shoot the forums down again. Until then, leave the forums open to business. Just because the forums have alot of posts doesn't logically mean that the contract system sucks which is what you seem to be saying. 1: that logic is flawed. 2: you're wrong. Oh, and to be clear, i'm not saying the forums are bad, i'm just saying that it's not the end of the world. The economy of eve isn't going to crash. Use the tools that are there. Also, The forums aren't necessary. I make pleanty of money, do pleanty of browsing, and do pleanty of trading using a combination of the contract system and the market. And it doesn't require alot of extra work either, it's pretty easy. Quit being afraid of "new things" people. Contracts won't bite you. good game
Moraguth Amarr Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.08.21 23:49:00 - [618] Originally by: Gaunty I haven't gone through every post in this topic so apologies if its covered but how can people buy Supercapitals with no sell order forum? Didn't think they could be put on contract. That's pretty much the only legitimate concern that i've come across. That part sucks, so I definately agree a fix needs to be coming soon, or a way to sell them somehow. good game
Nathomos Minmatar Brutor tribe	Posted - 2007.08.21 23:51:00 - [619] I really enjoy browsing the forums for sales as well as using them to haggle and make trades, I see the forums as an extension of the game that is just easier to use and browse, the contract system isn't a breeze to use like a fully functioning web browser... And now that a dev has posted Chribba's website I just can't see what the hell they are thinking...they close down their own forums for no really good reason and advertise a player's website instead?? Umm...very confused here, the forums are a place to discuss and haggle in trades, contracts can't do that, so the only option is spamming trade channels...why is this being done?
Moraguth Amarr Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.08.21 23:53:00 - [620] Originally by: Gorek Loc Maybe CCP has an alterior motive ? could the lotteries in the sell forums be a reason ? or the numerous scams that lead to petitions ? Forums use too much server capacity (fit a Cap Recharger II!) ? At least tell us why you feel the need to close the most used forums. I kinda agree with what your saying. The only other one I could think of was maybe they were using the same logic as they do for not putting in a web based skill changing system. They want you to actually log in the game to play the game. good game
Fredou Gallente Hidden Agenda Deep Space Engineering	Posted - 2007.08.21 23:53:00 - [621] @Moraguth what about: contract auction end 1 hour after DT and DT goes wrong and the seller doesn't get what he could have got? what about auction increment, hardcoded to 10% what about the fact that we have to travel to bid and much more... but anyway these are for me... the major one --- CCP, sadly, you lost some karma today 2007-08-21
F90OEX	Posted - 2007.08.21 23:54:00 - [622] What Nerf the Trade forums lol ... what a joke. So much for listening to your players.
Ezoran DuBlaidd Rivers Enterprises Power Corrupts Industry's	Posted - 2007.08.21 23:56:00 - [623] Edited by: Ezoran DuBlaidd on 21/08/2007 23:57:39 Originally by: Moraguth Originally by: Gorek Loc Maybe CCP has an alterior motive ? could the lotteries in the sell forums be a reason ? or the numerous scams that lead to petitions ? Forums use too much server capacity (fit a Cap Recharger II!) ? At least tell us why you feel the need to close the most used forums. I kinda agree with what your saying. The only other one I could think of was maybe they were using the same logic as they do for not putting in a web based skill changing system. They want you to actually log in the game to play the game. so um, devs having posted in the past about making it where you can check your skills via your cell and various other things to access game stuff outside the game -- all clever subterfuge only now unveiled with this move to kill the trade forums. brilliant! edited: the argument makes more sense if it weren't a monthly charge, and the charge was per login, per hour, etc. they make their money regardless of if you actually log in ever. plus, you can "play" the game without even having an account, i.e. canx account set 60 day skill training, come back later.
Hellspawn01 Amarr Falcon Advanced Industries	Posted - 2007.08.21 23:58:00 - [624] I could say "YaY" if the current contract system would be abit more simple or at least better as the old escrow system but its not. After 4 years of trading (with crappy forum software) you shut it down with a stupid excuse. Why not just close down all of the forums so we dont have to read your stupid ideas that you come up with to screw up more than you promise to fix?! Honestly, it casts doubt on your credibility. Or were you just to lazy to watch over the posts? Could the forum server not cut it with the load of new posts per hour? Was it to prevent scams? Why make a char sell forum (after 3 years of char selling!!) when the rest of the sales get closed? Wrangler, you¦re fired. Go back to hello kitty online. Ship lovers click here
Vaar Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2007.08.21 23:58:00 - [625] This a direct result of Dev inbreeding and the first nail in Eve's coffin. They're taking us back to the stoneages. I expect they will be releasing Tech -1 next. CCP please reconsider.
Dave PSI Haendlergilde S.E.R.A	Posted - 2007.08.21 23:59:00 - [626] Originally by: Moraguth Originally by: Logan Williams Originally by: Kirex wtf?! You're taking down the trade forums because you think contracts will suffice? Have you devs ever USED the contracts system? Yes, they live out in Jove space and play reindeer games instead of worry about how to keep customers. Read COAD. /sarcasm Have you used it? No, seriously. Have you tried? It's easy and effective once you set your filters in a productive way. Try these two things, and you'll be amazed at how much easier it will be for you. 1: Sort Page By > Simple View. 2: When you say get contracts, click on the Price colum to sort by it. It is amazing how many people thing that they can put a WTB order up for 100K for a BS and think that it'll work. The Contract system works ok for the cheap stuff like Faction hardener rare Implants and stuff you could also buy in the market. But it totally sucks when it comes to more expensive items like T2 BPOs and rare Officer Mods. There is no sniper rule and the auction system doesn't show the time left (only less than a day and less than an hour which really sucks). Also there is no focus on these items because you have search them active, on the forum you find them while reading the first few pages (normally there are not that many crap T1 stuff auctions like in the contract system). And the most important point is, when you think the contract system is soo perfect, fine simply use it. But why the hell force everybody else who obviously doesn't is your opinion to use it ??? Perhaps you didn't regognized it CCP, but the Trade-Forum is a big Part of the game for many of us. If you want to reduce traffic, close COAD (or only allow alliance leaders posting rights). Nobody needs to read that trolling, and its getting worth and worther every day there. T R U S T shop: http://www.evetrust.com // Haendlergilde [HAE]
Lord Berk Amarr Ministry of War	Posted - 2007.08.22 00:00:00 - [627] Unbelievable Forums scouring is perfect for downtime. And 5 times faster. I strongly suggest you reconsider. Kill it! It's killing me.
Moraguth Amarr Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.08.22 00:01:00 - [628] Originally by: Fredou @Moraguth what about: contract auction end 1 hour after DT and DT goes wrong and the seller doesn't get what he could have got? what about auction increment, hardcoded to 10% what about the fact that we have to travel to bid and much more... but anyway these are for me... the major one Well, if the seller wants to get a certain ammount, they need to set that as the minimum bid. There is no silly "reserve" system like there is on ebay, so set your minimum to what you want to get. hardcoded to 10% that way people don't bid .1 isk at a time I suppose, because that would just be rediculous. Travel to bid? Well, you only have to get in the region, but I understand how that can be annoying too. Ummm... since most everyone besides me has a billion alts, use one of them in the main contract regions. Give your alt some money to buy the item. Then, when your alt wins it, just item exchange it to your main. You can accept that from anywhere. And if you want to be really tricky, do what I do, and remotely contract stuff from your assets screen (auction finally finishes in jita that i bid on a week ago, and i win) to have someone courier it to where you want to pick it up. Works for me, it can work for you too, and it stimulates the economy :) good game
icarus braciolini	Posted - 2007.08.22 00:02:00 - [629] CCP FTL? The nerf bat again? Dear CCP, please stop making people quit its going to make you poor and the game will suffer. Solution, make the contract system not suck leave the forums as they are and add the ability to contract super capitals that's the ultimate solution
Moraguth Amarr Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.08.22 00:10:00 - [630] Originally by: Dave PSI Originally by: Moraguth Originally by: Logan Williams Originally by: Kirex wtf?! You're taking down the trade forums because you think contracts will suffice? Have you devs ever USED the contracts system? Yes, they live out in Jove space and play reindeer games instead of worry about how to keep customers. Read COAD. /sarcasm Have you used it? No, seriously. Have you tried? It's easy and effective once you set your filters in a productive way. Try these two things, and you'll be amazed at how much easier it will be for you. 1: Sort Page By > Simple View. 2: When you say get contracts, click on the Price colum to sort by it. It is amazing how many people thing that they can put a WTB order up for 100K for a BS and think that it'll work. The Contract system works ok for the cheap stuff like Faction hardener rare Implants and stuff you could also buy in the market. But it totally sucks when it comes to more expensive items like T2 BPOs and rare Officer Mods. There is no sniper rule and the auction system doesn't show the time left (only less than a day and less than an hour which really sucks). Also there is no focus on these items because you have search them active, on the forum you find them while reading the first few pages (normally there are not that many crap T1 stuff auctions like in the contract system). And the most important point is, when you think the contract system is soo perfect, fine simply use it. But why the hell force everybody else who obviously doesn't is your opinion to use it ??? Perhaps you didn't regognized it CCP, but the Trade-Forum is a big Part of the game for many of us. If you want to reduce traffic, close COAD (or only allow alliance leaders posting rights). Nobody needs to read that trolling, and its getting worth and worther every day there. Dave, you have very good points. The one I'm going to focus on is the "why make everyone else use the contracts..." I don't want to use the forums. It's slower than contracts for me. I can't find what I want as easily. I have to make posts and get more information half the time. .... When I view a contract, everything I need to know is right there in a simple, effective screen. Why make me use the forums to get the "really good deals"? Keep the game IN the game, not on a web forum. good game

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