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Wyliee Taurus Inc	Posted - 2008.07.27 00:50:00 - [2191] ok so.. incomming nano gang..... get gang together some damage ships some remote reps and 1 or 2 mimitar recons - at which point the nano's are gonna cry. this change is going to nerf the one things that is used to counter nanos 'minmatar recons' ! or have i missed something?
UberTron	Posted - 2008.07.27 01:26:00 - [2192] So like, have black ops been fixed yet? ohsnap
Cosy Gallente Porandor	Posted - 2008.07.27 01:32:00 - [2193] dunno if anyone posted this on missions a scrambler will affect the mwd frigates ?
Jinx Barker GFB Scientific	Posted - 2008.07.27 01:39:00 - [2194] I felt I should post this, so it is visible to all the newcomers: Here... this should suss all the screaming and yelling: Vote, according to your opinion: ALL AGAINST THE "NANO" NERF ALL FOR THE "NANO" NERF
Motaka Caldari	Posted - 2008.07.27 02:05:00 - [2195] Originally by: sophisticatedlimabean The for and against nano nerf threads seem to be telling the story of how ppl feel. AGAINST THE NERF 15 PAGES SO FAR: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=832371 FOR THE NERF TO GO AHEAD 5 PAGES: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=832369 I lol'd at this,they had one with the gankageddon nerf as well and we all know how that turned out dont we. But if you go to church today and pray really hard to baby jesus im sure...... NANO'S WILL STILL GET NERFED. cry some more then cry harder.your one trick pony is going,and i for for one is a very very happy camper. _______________________________________________ Motaka ~ DirtyHarry ~ Original F-E Material
Miss Apple	Posted - 2008.07.27 02:07:00 - [2196] So a HAC can go faster than a RECON? yeah that makes ALOT of sense [sic] So while you rebalance speeds how about switching around the ships that would LOGICALLY go SLOWER with the ships that would LOGICALLY go faster Ya know, I hate nano's as much as the next guy but thats why i'm training to fly them... I have a better idea.. how about we cut capital ship's armor in half.. I mean.. they have wayyyy too much tank after all...
Nerra Fennur	Posted - 2008.07.27 02:55:00 - [2197] Originally by: Christopher Multsanti I cannot be bothered to sift through all the carebear tears to find people that are actually posting sense, so if this has been mention already, sorry. I like the dev blog, excellent changes and about time to. But you must now look at the rapier, it is overpowered because nanoness is over powered, so you must look at nerfing the rapier. Must!! 1) dianeces says you're retarded. 2) nerfing nanos is nerfing the rapier, and if you can't see that you really are retarded. 60% webs = rapier becoming pretty damn useless. Please, learn how to think before you make posts on this forum that I have to read. Also, the rapier is not overpowered currently, considering that if it scrambles you, then you can scramble it too, and neut it, and do damage to it, and regardless of range, it does absolutely terrible damage and is quite fragile. But I guess thinking is too hard for you, and the concept that it can't do anytihng to you without friends, unless you're fitting nanos, or are a blasterboat with no logn range ability, in which case, oh no, they thought and brought a counter, you didn't, too bad, so sad. And don't argue that it's overpowered in gangs because, guess what, if it's in a gang you should be in a gang too, in which case it just can't web enough people to protect itself, and even getting a frigate ontop of it can kill it fairly easily, or he'll have to unweb you to web it. Please, continue whining about things that aren't overpowered and making yourself look stupid. 3) I agree with dianeces, you're retarded.
Boz Well Minmatar	Posted - 2008.07.27 03:00:00 - [2198] Originally by: Nerra Fennur Originally by: Christopher Multsanti I cannot be bothered to sift through all the carebear tears to find people that are actually posting sense, so if this has been mention already, sorry. I like the dev blog, excellent changes and about time to. But you must now look at the rapier, it is overpowered because nanoness is over powered, so you must look at nerfing the rapier. Must!! 1) dianeces says you're retarded. 2) nerfing nanos is nerfing the rapier, and if you can't see that you really are retarded. 60% webs = rapier becoming pretty damn useless. Please, learn how to think before you make posts on this forum that I have to read. Also, the rapier is not overpowered currently, considering that if it scrambles you, then you can scramble it too, and neut it, and do damage to it, and regardless of range, it does absolutely terrible damage and is quite fragile. But I guess thinking is too hard for you, and the concept that it can't do anytihng to you without friends, unless you're fitting nanos, or are a blasterboat with no logn range ability, in which case, oh no, they thought and brought a counter, you didn't, too bad, so sad. And don't argue that it's overpowered in gangs because, guess what, if it's in a gang you should be in a gang too, in which case it just can't web enough people to protect itself, and even getting a frigate ontop of it can kill it fairly easily, or he'll have to unweb you to web it. Please, continue whining about things that aren't overpowered and making yourself look stupid. 3) I agree with dianeces, you're retarded. Lol. You nerf the rapier's primary module and then claim it isn't being nerfed? And overpowered? Huh? Maybe you meant useful, and it sure as hell is/was, but useful != overpowered. 4) I agree with Nerra.
Firkragg Blue Labs Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2008.07.27 03:01:00 - [2199] Guys we really need this nano nerf reason 1) nano ships are invincible. CCP have no admitted that they warp eve physics to become invisible, all powerful, and sexually virile reason b) Snake sets are too cheap. Ive seen people undocking in thier first noobship with snake sets in. This is obscene and needs balancing. Im sick of 10km noobships harrasing me while im can baiting in school systems reason III) Its really hard to hotdrop people with a 100man cap fleet if they wont stand still. How are 0.0 alliances meant to make up for their lack of skill if they cant just hotdrop or blob everything with lower numbers. Hope everyone reads this and agree go nano nerf go. While your at it i once died to a bs too so they should probabaly be nerfed since its unfair that 2 noobships couldnt kill a bs. Oh and nerf falcons cos a guy i know said once that they are ruining eve and he says hes good at pvp and stuff so he obviously knows what he is doing.
Daelin Blackleaf The Reclaimed	Posted - 2008.07.27 03:04:00 - [2200] Quote: ALL AGAINST THE "NANO" NERF ALL FOR THE "NANO" NERF So the community is voting on changes they haven't tested yet. Reminds me of a child saying he doesn't like whats in the tin before he's tasted it based on the label. Thankfully this is not a democracy despite some appearances to the contrary.
keuel Gallente Heretic Militia	Posted - 2008.07.27 03:05:00 - [2201] meh, imo nanos really need a nerf, they¦re too fast and almost (at like 97-98% of time) invencible, even with neuts and many counters, the nano still have a chance to get out of the scram/neut/rapier/huggin range and warp, and engage and disengage at will even using a 90% web the nano is still too fast to get with (worse yet if he has a web too). IMHO (not offending) I really don¦t know why people complain about not nerf nanos if they know they are overpowered (and almost turning the game in to a nano-online, and yes, and then we have the capital online too, but ccp can prolly do a thing for it) that turn them invencible and jump a gate and run from a bubble quick enough without gettng hit (or some hits), I see no point and I totally suport the nano nerf as soon as the nerf don¦t kill the vaga asits a nano by nature.
Ephemeron Retribution Corp.	Posted - 2008.07.27 03:09:00 - [2202] Edited by: Ephemeron on 27/07/2008 03:11:06 Originally by: Daelin Blackleaf Quote: ALL AGAINST THE "NANO" NERF ALL FOR THE "NANO" NERF So the community is voting on changes they haven't tested yet. Reminds me of a child saying he doesn't like whats in the tin before he's tasted it based on the label. Thankfully this is not a democracy despite some appearances to the contrary. So if I ask to you to drink some water from the toilet, you'll refuse, but then I'll say "but you haven't tried it yet! try it first before you complain" - and that would make it alright with you?
Jesse Jamess Caldari Red Tides	Posted - 2008.07.27 03:10:00 - [2203] Edited by: Jesse Jamess on 27/07/2008 03:11:16 Originally by: Matrix Skye Edited by: Matrix Skye on 26/07/2008 21:56:57 Edited by: Matrix Skye on 26/07/2008 21:55:40 Originally by: Smokie McLottapot Originally by: Matrix Skye The nano ho's defense: "If you can't catch and kill nanos it's because you're an idiot and you suck! Now don't take my precious nano away because I don't want to die! But YOU are the cowards anyway!" Maybe it's "Your taking away the only viable anti-blob tactic in game" thing that some don't like? And once again, post with your main Mr. Nutless i'll tell you what, let's exchange address and phone numbers and let neither of us hide behind this internet bullshit. k? oh? that's not what you meant? dont have the balls? give me your info and i promise to send you mine. that way we're at it men to men with a pair of balls each. lets see who's the chicken shit now. no hiding behind spaceship avatars. like two real men. i live in fl can i play with you? you sound like a catcher and im an "ace" pitcher
kOZMIC sNIPER	Posted - 2008.07.27 03:18:00 - [2204] 10 hours from my last post and the situation hasn't changed, the devs still suck ballz!
Boz Well Minmatar	Posted - 2008.07.27 03:23:00 - [2205] Originally by: Daelin Blackleaf Quote: ALL AGAINST THE "NANO" NERF ALL FOR THE "NANO" NERF So the community is voting on changes they haven't tested yet. Reminds me of a child saying he doesn't like whats in the tin before he's tasted it based on the label. Thankfully this is not a democracy despite some appearances to the contrary. Aye, because it's better to have people that don't play the game but play EFT with their HG snakes decide these things after 5 long, grueling hours of brainstorming, rather than the people that are paying them for the services. And to be honest, I think you can legitimately vote one way or the other even before you test any changes, because at least to me, it's pretty clear that this is too many changes at once. I don't mind a nano nerf at all, and I think one has been due, but do it with a few choice changes. Slow down the uberfast ships, put some controls on the 15+km/s ships, not the average joe 3.5km/s nanoboat. If there aren't enough counters in the game, and this is arguable, introduce some more counters. The scrambs as suggested can work for this, and I'd also consider the suggestion by Waratron (or whoever first came up with it) to implement scripted long-range webbers that slow for a reduced amount. Maybe ALL these changes are necessary, and if so, implement them all. But do it a bit at a time, take feedback, and see how it goes. Don't just throw the entire list of changes in at once. I voted no because these changes simply look way too broad to me, and there's no need for such a sledgehammer approach. You can debate the utility of a poll that allows alts/other accounts/only regular forum readers to post (and that utlity is pretty close to 0 imo, haha), but that doesn't mean people can't express their opinion now. Quote: IMHO (not offending) I really don¦t know why people complain about not nerf nanos if they know they are overpowered (and almost turning the game in to a nano-online, and yes, and then we have the capital online too, but ccp can prolly do a thing for it) that turn them invencible and jump a gate and run from a bubble quick enough without gettng hit (or some hits), I see no point and I totally suport the nano nerf as soon as the nerf don¦t kill the vaga asits a nano by nature. Actually, some people are unhappy about the method of nerfing, not the nerf itself. This isn't a binary decision, it's not a question of "to nerf or not to nerf". That's only the first step, and then you have to ask the more/equally important question of HOW to nerf. Looks like here they brainstormed for 5 hours and then threw the book at this situation. And then they turn around and justify their plan to the community with an "average Vaga setup" including a full set of HG snakes? Meh, people have some right to be annoyed with CCP imo for this mess. When you train for something for a year + and spend billions on it (as well as countless hours), if they're going to nerf/change it, you'd at least like to see some decent justification, heh. Getting told a vaga with "nothing special except full HG snake set" was the basis for their numbers is like a slap in the face, imo. I don't see it happening, but I'd love to see CCP come up with some numbers based on a decent, realistic setup, and then choose a handful of their list of changes to implement. Put in a few of these changes, maybe add in scripts for webbers (I always liked that idea), and see how those play out. Then go from there. This looks like too much at once to me.
Stawos	Posted - 2008.07.27 03:29:00 - [2206] lolz @ all the PL crying!!!
Nahia Senne Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.07.27 03:32:00 - [2207] Change is good.
Jesse Jamess Caldari Red Tides	Posted - 2008.07.27 03:36:00 - [2208] Edited by: Jesse Jamess on 27/07/2008 03:42:03 Edited by: Jesse Jamess on 27/07/2008 03:41:31 Edited by: Jesse Jamess on 27/07/2008 03:36:50 i just found CCP's new Plan for PVP I also will include a link to the footage that the screen shot was made from... not a rick roll
Jesse Jamess Caldari Red Tides	Posted - 2008.07.27 03:38:00 - [2209] Originally by: Motaka Originally by: sophisticatedlimabean The for and against nano nerf threads seem to be telling the story of how ppl feel. AGAINST THE NERF 15 PAGES SO FAR: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=832371 FOR THE NERF TO GO AHEAD 5 PAGES: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=832369 I lol'd at this,they had one with the gankageddon nerf as well and we all know how that turned out dont we. But if you go to church today and pray really hard to baby jesus im sure...... NANO'S WILL STILL GET NERFED. cry some more then cry harder.your one trick pony is going,and i for for one is a very very happy camper. you knwo what will be really funny though? if the devs realize the error that they have made by thinking about such changes, and decide not to do it... that would be very amusing how many tears would that be then?
Jesse Jamess Caldari Red Tides	Posted - 2008.07.27 03:40:00 - [2210] Originally by: Nahia Senne Change is good. change is so good it may even add up to equal dollars.... pffft... if it isnt broken dont fix it? perhaps we can focus on something that is broken... like
Cassiuss Minmatar Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.07.27 03:43:00 - [2211] Boost the matari race!!!
techzer0 Minmatar Mafia	Posted - 2008.07.27 03:47:00 - [2212] Originally by: Boz Well Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton Oh and do I get an all level 5 character to test stuff out on the test server? Also requesting the ability to spawn faction mwds, overdrives, and shaquils implant. if not, I can't test a full snake set, or any ships other than zealot/crow, tech 2 rigs, or any of the game breaking stuff... Get with it then! Casual Vaga setup: Quote: Vagabond: High: nothing Med: 10mn microwarpdrive Low: Overdrive Injector System II x2 Rigs: Auxilliary thrusters II x2 Implants. full snake set. No special named modules etc. I'd like to say as a Vaga pilot... That is NOT a "Casual Vaga setup" and stacking OD's with Aux Thrusters = dumb. Yes, it's true. I don't use snakes, and I don't use Aux thrusters with overdrives... stack much? ------------ CCP > Let's play the nerf a race game! Next up minmatar!
Haakelen Gallente Genesis Rising	Posted - 2008.07.27 04:23:00 - [2213] Originally by: Masked Shopper Edited by: Masked Shopper on 27/07/2008 04:18:36 IRC Battle Report What the hell? Obviously this can't be allowed to happen. This nerf has been required for a long time so these "pvpers" abusing this totally overpowered tactic are put back to the same level as everyone else How is it that a HAC gang can fight a gang of battleships and capitals head on and take minimal losses, especially with a titan on the field. This is dispicable and needs to end now. You're using an IRC vs. PL fight report on the assumption that IRC should've won to justify your point. IRC would've never won, regardless of shiptypes.
Masked Shopper	Posted - 2008.07.27 04:28:00 - [2214] Originally by: Haakelen You're using an IRC vs. PL fight report on the assumption that IRC should've won to justify your point. IRC would've never won, regardless of shiptypes. I think IRC is a pretty cool alliance. eh sits supercap on stations and doesnt afraid of anything.
Is forporn THE INTERNET.	Posted - 2008.07.27 04:29:00 - [2215] Originally by: Masked Shopper How is it that a HAC gang can fight a gang of battleships and capitals head on and take minimal losses, especially with a titan on the field. This is dispicable and needs to end now. Complete and utter disorginastion can kill any fleet Join THE INTERNET. today
Straife North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2008.07.27 04:30:00 - [2216] Edited by: Straife on 27/07/2008 04:31:06 Originally by: Masked Shopper Edited by: Masked Shopper on 27/07/2008 04:18:36 IRC Battle Report What the hell? Obviously this can't be allowed to happen. This nerf has been required for a long time so these "pvpers" abusing this totally overpowered tactic are put back to the same level as everyone else How is it that a HAC gang can fight a gang of battleships and capitals head on and take minimal losses, especially with a titan on the field. This is dispicable and needs to end now. Hmm looking at the 4 losses (it was 5 really) where are all these uber speed mods at? PS - It's still missing the IRC Drake and Anethema that they doomsdayed on the 2nd attempt.
IUCEPH	Posted - 2008.07.27 04:32:00 - [2217] Quote: MWD's have become a necessity in any combat situation. Setups almost revolve around fitting them, limiting variety and unpredictability, and there is no clear advantage to fitting an afterburner over one. The MWD has always been the limiting factor for all PvP fittings
Straife North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2008.07.27 04:34:00 - [2218] I think IRC is a pretty cool alliance. eh sits supercap on stations and doesnt afraid of anything. In a Sov 4 system where no other caps can enter and a Titan in system to clear those pesky RR battleships that attempt to kill the capitals...
Shin Zu Earned In Blood	Posted - 2008.07.27 04:54:00 - [2219] Edited by: Shin Zu on 27/07/2008 04:54:30 Originally by: Mashie Saldana For those of you against this change, I'm curious how you would kill the following little gang using 12 ships: 3 x 6km/s Rapiers 3 x 6km/s Curses 3 x 6km/s Ishtars 3 x Falcons 6x 10km/s Rapiers 6x 10km/s Curses 8x 5km/s Ishtars 6x Falcons 6x 15km/s Vagabonds 3x 20km/s Crows I know you said 12 ships, but I'm thinking like a nano gang here.
Uncle Mo Perkone	Posted - 2008.07.27 04:57:00 - [2220] I am for this nano nerf. For those that are against it I have two words for you. Nano Titan. Nuff Said. --------------------------------------------- Official US ambassador to the UK.

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