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Andrue Amarr	Posted - 2008.12.11 16:59:00 - [841] Originally by: Haunting Originally by: CCP Wrangler Words and stuff I too, agree that the situation in Zimbabwe must change! Let's show our love and support for Zimbabwe!! There is no senile despot here. This is not the downtrodden, virtually destroyed African country that you are looking for. Move along. -- (Sarcastic mission running veteran, 4+ years) [Brackley, UK] My budgie can say "ploppy bottom". You have been warned.
Dede Dumdedum Gallente Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2008.12.11 17:00:00 - [842] Originally by: XxHey BabyxX Originally by: teji Originally by: XxHey BabyxX Originally by: killerco Names please ccp Names!!!!! EVOKE/MOSTLY HARMLESS Band of Brothers/EXE well you will know soon though bob and exe are to stupid to do something like this ha it's probly been a very busy 5 days for their pos managers.. relax people. some symbolic towers were removed, a few sacrificial corps are ruined, some expendable alts are banned.. nobody of any importance was harmed.
Rawthorm Gallente The Establishment Establishment	Posted - 2008.12.11 17:00:00 - [843] Originally by: Carnal Knowledge Originally by: Gnulpie Originally by: Rramar Claime 4 years??? CCP reaches new levels of fail every day. Nope, sorry not 4 years. Just a couple of weeks. So how would you know? No one does for sure, but there is a little saying. Innocent until proven guilty. God forbid we all deal with this situation with reason instead of feeding the mob...
Fuujin GoonFleet	Posted - 2008.12.11 17:04:00 - [844] Originally by: Rawthorm Originally by: Carnal Knowledge Originally by: Gnulpie Originally by: Rramar Claime 4 years??? CCP reaches new levels of fail every day. Nope, sorry not 4 years. Just a couple of weeks. So how would you know? No one does for sure, but there is a little saying. Innocent until proven guilty. God forbid we all deal with this situation with reason instead of feeding the mob... Ah, but we're talking about an exploited bug here. The real question is, how long has it been in existence? Since the POS management screen was given a mini-makeover? Since the very introduction of POS's? Who knows...the sCrapheap poster may or may not be trolling, but tbh I could actually see it being a truthful statement without stretching my sense of incredulity.
Alphrya Inter-Region Trade And Logistics	Posted - 2008.12.11 17:06:00 - [845] One. * Buying your Junk! EVEmail me or post in my thread! *
Garok Nor Blueprint Haus	Posted - 2008.12.11 17:07:00 - [846] 4 years??????? You let this go on for 4 YEARS... Amazing... simply astounding... why do I feel cheated? ------------------------------------------------- Items posted by me are in no way a reflection of the policies and/or opinions of my corporation or alliance. {though they maybe really ought to be}
Arric Rohr Gallente Intergalactic Science LLC	Posted - 2008.12.11 17:07:00 - [847] Mistakes were made. A bunch of things happened as a result. Luckily, it's a game. Changes will occur. Afterwards, it will still be a game. Who really gets hurt? No one, because it's a game. If you don't like it, quit. Can I have your stuff? Move on, nothing to see here. AR Where do I get one of those cool signatures?
Gnulpie Minmatar Miner Tech	Posted - 2008.12.11 17:08:00 - [848] Originally by: Carnal Knowledge Originally by: Gnulpie Originally by: Rramar Claime 4 years??? CCP reaches new levels of fail every day. Nope, sorry not 4 years. Just a couple of weeks. So how would you know? So how would you know it is 4 years? Because just some dude said so? Well, now I say different. Whom to believe now? My numbers indicate a couple of weeks. And they are based all on the trade in Jita. Easy to see that something fishy is going on there for the couple of last weeks. There is NO indication at all that this is going on for years. Of course there can be hidden parameters... But at least my claim is backup by numbers. The claim of the other guy is backed up by nothing. In the end we have to wait for CCP and their numbers. And then it is up to you if you believe them or not. But if you do not believe them, then posting here is quite pointless, right?
Karla Kay	Posted - 2008.12.11 17:09:00 - [849] Edited by: Karla Kay on 11/12/2008 17:09:17 At the end of the day "*YOU*" will pay your subscriptions and CCP will keep being CCP so all this OMG stuff is useless. Thank GOD for jumpgate coming out soon.
Rawthorm Gallente The Establishment Establishment	Posted - 2008.12.11 17:11:00 - [850] Originally by: Fuujin Originally by: Rawthorm No one does for sure, but there is a little saying. Innocent until proven guilty. God forbid we all deal with this situation with reason instead of feeding the mob... Ah, but we're talking about an exploited bug here. The real question is, how long has it been in existence? Since the POS management screen was given a mini-makeover? Since the very introduction of POS's? Who knows...the sCrapheap poster may or may not be trolling, but tbh I could actually see it being a truthful statement without stretching my sense of incredulity. Thats just it we don't know. This is why this needs a steady and in depth investigation, which we won't get from the rabble brigade. In either case, any answers we get are simply a matter of feeding our curiosity now. The damage is done, so one could ask, what does it matter?

Leopold Caine Amarr Ordo Quaesitoris	Posted - 2008.12.11 17:11:00 - [851] "On December 7th 2008, a date which will live in infamy, a petition from a concerned player alerted us to a serious problem with Starbase reactors" So it could've been up to 5 days max, perhaps more. I'm not a trader, but who confirmed the date when the exploit started?
Alphrya Inter-Region Trade And Logistics	Posted - 2008.12.11 17:11:00 - [852] Kugu <3 LEAKED * Buying your Junk! EVEmail me or post in my thread! *
Mui Mui Independent Pilots	Posted - 2008.12.11 17:13:00 - [853] You know what - the majority of high-sec and low-sec dwellers do NOT care. Null-sec alliances being stung? Boo-hoo! I got cheaper T2 mods and that is a good thing. Am more upset that T2 goods may actually rise in price. As well as T1 goods. I hope large swathes of null-sec suddenly become vacant as POS structures disappear and various alliance high commands all get hit by the ban-stick. Did CCP screw up? Yup - but removing ghost training hurt more. Not this. Now hit your address books and see who gets the ban-stick.
Bud Johnson Tacos Revolution CODE RED ALLIANCE	Posted - 2008.12.11 17:15:00 - [854] Originally by: Etho Demerzel Unlike you, CCP fanboy, who think everythign CCP says and does is holy, there are a few people with critical sense. If critical sense involves believing what someone who was banned for exploiting says without a shred of proof beyond "LOL ITS TRU GAIS!!!!!" ill pass, thanks. The fact that you leaped strait to "CCP fanboy, who think everything CCP says and does is holy" is screaming amateur troll at me, but i dont have anything better to do so ill bite. Do you actually believe that this has gone on for 4 years without the community at large finding out? This is bull** on the level of Bush/ADL did 9/11 "truth movement" *gotry. The number of people who would have had to keep their mouths shut for this to work is incredible. On the other hand people filled to the brim with critical sense (such as yourself) are making me a fortune on the mineral market. just wanted to thank you for that.
Bartfast BANK of HUZZAH FEDERATION HUZZAH FEDERATION	Posted - 2008.12.11 17:17:00 - [855] the exploit was reported 4/5 days ago ... to long but not going to make a huge diffrence there have been claims that it has run for some time before it was discovered if this is true then the impact is huge those player that have been rewarded for cheating should be knocked back into the dark ages and out of game where possible. Any assets that have been bought or gained through the use of these isks should be reomved and any tatical or material advantage set right titans t2 bpos bought ..just a thought Stations, systems, assets etc that have been taken by force funded by isks that where from an exploit should be reset or returned if this cant be done all assets should be removed and lets have a free for all claiming what we can RE draw the political map support those players that that support the community and try to play by the rules
Jalif Scorpion's Sting Blades of Serenity	Posted - 2008.12.11 17:17:00 - [856] \o/ t2 market is going to be expensive again piracy because more fun this is how eve should be... for those pos exploiters.... good that you got banned.... A game should be played fair & what you guys did is unfair against other players. To CCP, time to fix your **** instead bringing content.
Rethyl Valkyries of Night	Posted - 2008.12.11 17:19:00 - [857] In before page 30 :) Looking forward to more explanation of this from CCP -- hopefully the damage has been limited to a few weeks or months. For those claiming years, evidence plz?
Rawthorm Gallente The Establishment Establishment	Posted - 2008.12.11 17:19:00 - [858] Edited by: Rawthorm on 11/12/2008 17:19:33 Originally by: Bartfast the exploit was reported 4/5 days ago ... to long but not going to make a huge diffrence there have been claims that it has run for some time before it was discovered if this is true then the impact is huge those player that have been rewarded for cheating should be knocked back into the dark ages and out of game where possible. Any assets that have been bought or gained through the use of these isks should be reomved and any tatical or material advantage set right titans t2 bpos bought ..just a thought Stations, systems, assets etc that have been taken by force funded by isks that where from an exploit should be reset or returned if this cant be done all assets should be removed and lets have a free for all claiming what we can RE draw the political map support those players that that support the community and try to play by the rules To be honest, exploiters by their nature are greedy bastards. You'll probably find they used most of the ISK to fund their own habits and their alliances saw little benifit. (Beyond perhaps their own little circle of close friends)
Liu	Posted - 2008.12.11 17:19:00 - [859] asuming the guy at SCH were telling the truth, if they petitioned it 4 years ago, and the answer was "it's not a bug", why would they have to be banned? Originally by: Apertotes tbh, boot.ini was overpowered and needed a nerf
VCBee 516	Posted - 2008.12.11 17:21:00 - [860] Check out corps in Ev0ke today for lulz.

wanting	Posted - 2008.12.11 17:22:00 - [861] What took so long
Dirk Magnum Royal Hiigaran Navy	Posted - 2008.12.11 17:22:00 - [862] Originally by: Rethyl Looking forward to more explanation of this from CCP -- hopefully the damage has been limited to a few weeks or months. For those claiming years, evidence plz? Unless there were accidental changes made to the moon mining code recently that allowed this to happen, it's not unreasonable to assume it dates back to the very inception of moon mining. But as of yet I don't believe there's any solid data on how old this exploit is. I believe it's one of the things that the transparency thread at the Assembly Hall wants CCP to reveal.
Mik Starret	Posted - 2008.12.11 17:23:00 - [863] It's funny, I've thought EvE should be restarted, or at least a new server opened, for years. The game has changed so much, and the early players have advantages that can never be replicated because of shifts in the rules. Now, although I'm not sure I believe an exploit like this could be kept a secret for so long, it's possible that a bug has been causing massive in-game advantage for a long time. The landscape would be incredibly skewed, beyond fixing. Maybe this is the time to start over. Think about how fun it would be if everyone was in their velator or ibis on day 1, heading out to seek adventure on the same terms as everyone else. Oh well, nice dream, won't happen.
Rethyl Valkyries of Night	Posted - 2008.12.11 17:25:00 - [864] Originally by: Dirk Magnum Originally by: Rethyl Looking forward to more explanation of this from CCP -- hopefully the damage has been limited to a few weeks or months. For those claiming years, evidence plz? Unless there were accidental changes made to the moon mining code recently that allowed this to happen, it's not unreasonable to assume it dates back to the very inception of moon mining. But as of yet I don't believe there's any solid data on how old this exploit is. I believe it's one of the things that the transparency thread at the Assembly Hall wants CCP to reveal. I'm certainly willing to believe this bug has existed for years, but I'm not convinced yet that people have been exploiting it on a wide scale for years.
Havlentia Castigatrix Gallente The Avalon Foundation Delta.Green	Posted - 2008.12.11 17:25:00 - [865] Originally by: Mui Mui You know what - the majority of high-sec and low-sec dwellers do NOT care. Null-sec alliances being stung? Boo-hoo! I got cheaper T2 mods and that is a good thing. Am more upset that T2 goods may actually rise in price. Not to mention that there are some Dyspro moons up for grabs at the moment. Should be an interesting couple of days. Of course, the numbers reported by CCP of the actual exploit being used are fairly low...hopefully they've scrambled to close the exploit hole (this wasn't mentioned in the post) rather than relying on the petition system. Originally by: Mui Mui As well as T1 goods. You don't use composites in T1. The price of T1 will fall as competition heats up there when the margins on T2 get squeezed. I think what's more depressing is that the poor guy that is the research and statistics 'team' suddenly found himself actually having to do forensic research on the databases to discover the extent of the problem. I think it's also slightly depressing that nobody at CCP has thought to take a leaf from the SEC and banking systems to try and track down the large scale and endemic isk-selling on Eve back to it's extremely obvious source. 'Real world economy'? Time to start throwing in some of the checks that the banking systems use. Oh, and employ someone that can actually query the database on the live server to throw up some red flags. Time to start regulating. Anyway, there are screenshots of the POS configuration used on t'internets. Start petitioning the configuration if you see it used. ----- This space left intentionally blank
Rethyl Valkyries of Night	Posted - 2008.12.11 17:27:00 - [866] Originally by: Liu asuming the guy at SCH were telling the truth, if they petitioned it 4 years ago, and the answer was "it's not a bug", why would they have to be banned? If you find a wallet on the street and yell out "Hey, did someone lose a wallet?", and noone responds, and you then go and use their credit cards for 4 years before getting caught, why should the police bust you?
Sgt Napalm Synergy Evolved Strength in Numbers.	Posted - 2008.12.11 17:28:00 - [867] Who was the other alliance?
Mecinia Lua Galactic Express Burning Horizons	Posted - 2008.12.11 17:30:00 - [868] Originally by: thelung187 Interesting discussion going on in the trade channels atm (/me waves to "Minerals and Manufacturing"). Rumors are a dangerous thing of course, and are entirely speculative, but the rumor is that "some" T2 BPOs were purchased with the liquid capital from the reaction exploit, and are now effectively dead due to them being on permabanned accounts. Can anyone from CCP speak on this, as to whether any of it is true? And if it IS true, will these BPOs be re-seeded, or are they permanently gone? Hopefully if they were in those corps/accounts they are gone forever. It will mean more opportunities for inventors and enable them to make more of a profit. Over time that's I think how CCP plans to get rid of the t2 BPOs, as people quit and the stuff goes inactive (they didn't plan to ban them all). This is a better initial report than we got in the t20 incident so maybe they've learned a little. Thoughts expressed are mine and mine alone. They do not necessarily reflect my alliances thoughts. Your signature is too large. Please resize it to a maximum of 400 x 120 with the file size not exceeding 24000 bytes. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Mitnal
Rramar Claime Amarr Task Force Zener Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2008.12.11 17:31:00 - [869] Originally by: Leopold Caine "On December 7th 2008, a date which will live in infamy, a petition from a concerned player alerted us to a serious problem with Starbase reactors" So it could've been up to 5 days max, perhaps more. I'm not a trader, but who confirmed the date when the exploit started? Leo just read around a bit :) fortunately eve is bigger than eve-o forums :) ------- "I cherish the memories of a question my grandson asked me the other day, when he said; 'Grandpa, were you a hero in the war?' Grandpa said, 'No, but I served in a company of heroes."
Princess Jodi Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.12.11 17:34:00 - [870] Well, I'm angry. I ran 11 pos's for 2 years and never saw this exploit happen. Margins for our products (which included Ferrogel) were so minimal we put it down to Alliance Soverignty issues. It seemed like since Alliances had to put down towers for Soverignty anyway, Moon Mining income was simply something that came along with it. As a software developer myself, I can see how this could happen. Any initial bug report when POS's were first introduced would be shrugged off as people not knowing what they were doing. For example, in the first days reactors needed to be onlined and linked in specific order. Even after reading all the materials it was a bit of an Art to get things set up properly. So some people made mistakes which triggered this exploit, while others did not. Here's a tip from 28yrs of programming experience: Do Not Let Developers Test Their Own Code! If I program a process and test it, I'm going to test it the 'Right' way. To find bugs you have to have complete idiots try the process with minimal instruction. Only they will do things 'Wrong' and reveal bugs. Now as for Punishment, let me relay a RL story (yeah, stuff it - I don't care for your 'Eve is not RL' bull.) Iran convicted a man of abusing and murdering many children a few years ago. The evidence was overwhelming and there was no question of his guilt. The Punishment was to have this man slowly winched up by a crane in the town square with a noose around his neck. The mother of one of the victims put the noose on. The brother of one of the victims ran forward during that and stabbed the man - and the authorities just shoo'd him away and went on with the execution. The man was hoisted for a slow strangulation death, and then was purposefully left there to hang for 3 days so that his body could not be buried properly, which meant he went to Hell in Islam. This type of Punishment for the exploiters is what I'm suggesting happens to their Eve empires. Say what you want about Iran, but they know how to create a Deterrent.



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