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Dr Karsun
Gallente
Integrity.
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Posted - 2008.12.12 11:58:00 -
[1531]
Hmm, this is gonna be funny... I better spend all my money on t2 mods and stuff before the prices go up by 500% or even more.
They say there were 70 accounts banned, so probably a lot more were involved, but didn't really show off or were middle-men who can easily avoid banning.
But, seriously, got to buy a -lot- of t2 modules now for safe keeping.
I also wonder how fast will the ammount of materials on the market drop. I guess all producers using these materials will now empty their wallets to get them cheap while there are any to buy left on the market.
Ps - God damn... 4 years? Is that true?
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Ordais
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Posted - 2008.12.12 12:03:00 -
[1532]
Edited by: Ordais on 12/12/2008 12:05:02
I know i stand alone with this, but there is only one way to go:
GENERAL AMNESTY
Why? This is so out of proportion and so out of control that CCP can't ban all and undo all damage. This means they will undo just some dmg and will ban a few involved.
Now, some will say: fine with me, at least some of the bastards got banned. But in the end you are just rewarding the ones who never get caught because you are eliminating their competitors, the only competitors that play on the same lvl as them.
After this half-assed cleanup they will be the ultimate winners in EVE.
I did rather stop the exploit and give amnesty so that the powerblocks can now destroy eachother. If you remove 1-2 powerblocks but let the rest stand, its just like rewarding them again.
EDIT: and yes, my main is so old that in some point in time i was probably part of an alliance that used it. but i dont know, i can only assume. But if everyone used it, then who cares. I'm rather interested in what happens for my future gameplay, that is what counts and what i pay for.
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Kong Tse
OPUS Administration Department
OPUS Alliance
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Posted - 2008.12.12 12:10:00 -
[1533]
4 years until you fixed this! Shame on you CCP!
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sinqlaison
Amarr
Capital Builders Inc.
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Posted - 2008.12.12 12:10:00 -
[1534]
 Originally by: Ordais
Edited by: Ordais on 12/12/2008 12:05:02
I know i stand alone with this, but there is only one way to go:
GENERAL AMNESTY
Your not alone, you have at least 70 people who will back you up ;-)
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Crellion
Art of War
Exalted.
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Posted - 2008.12.12 12:11:00 -
[1535]
Exploit hexsploit it's all the same to me.
The more toys the industrialists have the more toys we get to break. I declare this whole thing irrelevant for small pvp organisations.
G'day
Arguably my opinions represent to an extent the opinions of my alliance and in particular circumstances give rise to a valid "casus belli" claim. |
ashellia
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Posted - 2008.12.12 12:15:00 -
[1536]
Originally by: Ordais
Edited by: Ordais on 12/12/2008 12:05:02
I know i stand alone with this, but there is only one way to go:
GENERAL AMNESTY
Why? This is so out of proportion and so out of control that CCP can't ban all and undo all damage. This means they will undo just some dmg and will ban a few involved.
Now, some will say: fine with me, at least some of the bastards got banned. But in the end you are just rewarding the ones who never get caught because you are eliminating their competitors, the only competitors that play on the same lvl as them.
After this half-assed cleanup they will be the ultimate winners in EVE.
I did rather stop the exploit and give amnesty so that the powerblocks can now destroy eachother. If you remove 1-2 powerblocks but let the rest stand, its just like rewarding them again.
EDIT: and yes, my main is so old that in some point in time i was probably part of an alliance that used it. but i dont know, i can only assume. But if everyone used it, then who cares. I'm rather interested in what happens for my future gameplay, that is what counts and what i pay for.
says the BOB alt :/
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AnobizII
Amarr
Atos Research
Atos Origins
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Posted - 2008.12.12 12:16:00 -
[1537]
Originally by: Crellion
Exploit hexsploit it's all the same to me.
The more toys the industrialists have the more toys we get to break. I declare this whole thing irrelevant for small pvp organisations.
G'day
Exactly...
Lets put this thing to rest until such times as ccp do release something that explains the situation...
All this fighting and squabbling on a forum isn't getting anybody anywhere so what exactly is the point of everyone shouting and trying to get there voices herd, its like going to a classroom and everyone starts shouting at the teacher at once, they can only answer one at a time...
p.s im not in school...
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Ordais
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Posted - 2008.12.12 12:21:00 -
[1538]
Originally by: ashellia
Originally by: Ordais
Edited by: Ordais on 12/12/2008 12:05:02
I know i stand alone with this, but there is only one way to go:
GENERAL AMNESTY
Why? This is so out of proportion and so out of control that CCP can't ban all and undo all damage. This means they will undo just some dmg and will ban a few involved.
Now, some will say: fine with me, at least some of the bastards got banned. But in the end you are just rewarding the ones who never get caught because you are eliminating their competitors, the only competitors that play on the same lvl as them.
After this half-assed cleanup they will be the ultimate winners in EVE.
I did rather stop the exploit and give amnesty so that the powerblocks can now destroy eachother. If you remove 1-2 powerblocks but let the rest stand, its just like rewarding them again.
EDIT: and yes, my main is so old that in some point in time i was probably part of an alliance that used it. but i dont know, i can only assume. But if everyone used it, then who cares. I'm rather interested in what happens for my future gameplay, that is what counts and what i pay for.
says the BOB alt :/
Think what you want, if you really believe they can get everyone who did this, you live in a nice hello kitty world. CCP doesnt even have all the logs needed to check this. But i suppose you are like most ppl that can be satisfied with someone to lynch, fine with me, you are not alone.
Oh, and Bob should be quite happy atm no? All who got banned are from the other side of the fence for what is known.
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Reithar
Amarr
BAD WOLF INC.
No Apology
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Posted - 2008.12.12 12:25:00 -
[1539]
Hi there i have read this link and I like to respond to what I have read.
When reading this 'link' i felt like everybody else that it isn't fair what those players did! I totaly aqgreed with CCP that they banned those players from EVE and destroyed there posses. The main reason for that is they abused an exploid and that isn't fair to others.
But on the other hand the market in EVE is accustomed to such a flow in components for a very long period (4 years). That by removing everything it will have a giant impact on everything that is going on at the T2 marktet.
This means (netto/netto) that every player in EVE is being punnished because a small group did find an exploid. That doesn't appear to be fair / honnest to all those other players. Everybody will suffer from this.....
The story get stranger / more intresting........
After reading this i took the liberty to have a look in google and did find a site called scraphead. And i did read a response from one of the players that was banned. This makes it even more intresting.....
Player involved wrote how they found this exploid and what they did after they found it...
- It was reported to CCP to make them aware of the exploid.
- They only received a confirmation and that it was closed.
If this is true (I do not have any reason to doubt that at this time) the reaction of CCP to this exploid after 4 years goes a bit far.....and is rather out of line. Short spoken you can say: This is not done. Especially seen the fact that it was reported and was used for more then 4 years. Hench everybody is being punnished due to the fact that CCP has slipped this reported problem / exploid because the whole T2 market will have to recover from what CCP did.
Instead they should have fixed the exploid and then regulate the market for a certain amount of time so the impact wouldn't have such a dissasterious outcome to all of us players.
CCP is in there right to react like they did as long as they didn't have the information in an earlier stage and declined there intrest in this exploid. CCP should look at there own departments for neglecting this reported exploid.
And again it is not done to punish all for an abused exploid a few found out over such a long period..
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Just a concerned player
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EpicFailTroll
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Posted - 2008.12.12 12:25:00 -
[1540]
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Rramar Claime
Amarr
Task Force Zener
Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2008.12.12 12:27:00 -
[1541]
Originally by: Reithar
After reading this i took the liberty to have a look in google and did find a site called scraphead. And i did read a response from one of the players that was banned. This makes it even more intresting.....
Lol
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Kaptain Kruncher
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Posted - 2008.12.12 12:49:00 -
[1542]
I think it's awesome! I'm in this game for the complexity, what better than an old fashioned, far-reaching scandal? I can't wait to see the effect on the market, it's gonna be wild and fun. I'm new to invention and manufacturing, but have been a miner since the beginning, an upsidedown T2 market has got to mean some isk making opportunities.
Most of the time you just read about this stuff in the "fake news" in you IGB, now it is here for real.
Sounds like CCP will sort it out. Thay have already started by telling us, and I'm sure the rest is on the way.
Oh, and so I don't have to put my asbestos underpants on- I realize that my Main and Alts are only about a year old, I don't have the massive time and effort that many of you older players have put into your operations. So for me it is a minor thing, too you all it probably has more sting.
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Suga H
Gallente
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2008.12.12 13:01:00 -
[1543]
Silence isn't the answer, CCP.
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Fifinella
Caldari
Fringe Exploration And Salvage Trust
FOUNDATI0N
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Posted - 2008.12.12 13:15:00 -
[1544]
Originally by: Typhena
You know what makes me really sad?After 50 pages all we know about this event is .... nothing ! I am sorry, but I think we deserve to know what really happened.
Originally by: Suga H
Silence isn't the answer, CCP.
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
We are still conducting operations to deal with this matter and we will keep you posted on the progress and results as things develop.
Update: This matter will be brought up at a CSM and CCP meeting this upcoming weekend.
Is that an answer? It's in the first message of this very thread. It sort of looks like an answer to me. Almost if they're saying "we'll tell you more as soon as we know more". Wait, they are.
Sheesh, some people.
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Crassus Silverwolf
Caldari
Liberty Forces
Bionic Dawn
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Posted - 2008.12.12 13:17:00 -
[1545]
Well done CCP and good to see that you have caught these cheats....... 
If it did take 4 years to find out then not so good but it is good to see that if you **** about then it will have consequences eventually....
This could make the current wars in 0.0 look intresting if some of those Alliances have been using this exploit to fund their Wars... 
Keep up the banning CCP and make them cry hard
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MEBHansen
Darwin With Attitude
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Posted - 2008.12.12 13:19:00 -
[1546]
Originally by: Fifinella
Is that an answer? It's in the first message of this very thread.
Sheesh, some people.
ofc it's in the first msg of this thread. Otherwise we would have to plough through 50+ pages
to see if there's any news.
'Edit'-button ftw.
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jimera muroaga
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Posted - 2008.12.12 13:19:00 -
[1547]
Edited by: jimera muroaga on 12/12/2008 13:21:11
http://www.kuguts umen.com/showthread.php?t=3428
APPENDIX A - AMT Alt List:
* Aldo Idahar / Niame
* Alexander Crichton / grrSkiller / Onan derBarbar / (Cynoalts: Kotfried vonBraun / Bumskloeten Jack)
* Amy Smart / Cynn Devona / Gregorius Agricola / Dr Theopolis / sweet maya
* Arela Xen / Rebelina Xen / Kamodin / Nefertina Gatsuuga / (Cynonupps: Oneway Road / One WayRoad) / (Hauler/Scoutnup: Arelalala)
* ardil
* b3nwish / sephyre / Heratin
* BronkZor, brnkzAlt, Hoe istie
* Chronical / Parantez / Yohanna Anjardo / rid**** X / Corp DuAquin
* Chucks0r / Cadalia
* Cmd Woodlouse
* crashilein / Minerbabe / BobDerBaumeister / moonluda / Uxorcula
* Diehn / Thaard Bof't (ist anubis )
* Django / Shanni
* DrRockIT / Bumpy Knuckles
* Eaan Thurs / 3xcit3 / Abaddon Doomhammer
* Floppy96 / Frida Floppy / Blue Engel
* Giselee / Zuzanny / Trade Gis
* Guurel / Guurel's Slave
* Gyro DuAquin1 / Elenor / gyro orvolle / gyro agil
* Jake Dragon / wolver1n
* Kaeldavan / Niliyu
* Kerawkes / Telia Rand
* kloetis / jason downset
* Lord Fantus / Rasputin Jones
* LordCypher / Sir Fuzzyhead
* Luca Murphy
* Lucy Foxx / John Foxx / John Crystal / (cyno chars: Aerona Flux / Aerona Fluxx)
* MacDuncan / MacDune
* Maltroc / T0M85 / Jintokora / Tara Sperrow
* Marszine (ist taschenlampenmann bzw kma )
* Mitthrawn / C'aprica Dawn
* Moppinator / warf / Marie Juana / Marie Juhana
* Moql Nkkn
* Needer / Bestia Negra
* nostramo
* philip3000, Judge Them, Silencer
* RainE Daze / Sabri Zahir
* Ramireza
* Raukho / Hiauki
* Reto Kobelt / Eiserner Engel
* Rheinkraft10 / Mistrezz
* Ricarda M / Ricarda M2 / Caldari Citizen 20020
* RuffRyder
* Saya Khio
* Schneiderr / Analogue Brain / Closetodeath
* seiko seven
* sey'ada / stalemate kazumi
* Sir Oni / Garmah / Riikka May
* Sir Pip / Tushani
* Slan Traveller / Slan Broker
* St3gi, Shivazun
* Taz / Chip a / ich hau dich ins Ei
* The Pacman / Femme Extrema / Alina Matari
* TheSizzler / Tara Intaki / Demi X
* Tim Helmert / Astro Creep / Spangie / Soy Lamuerte / (Capital Alt's: Aleksandr Malthus / Davs)
* Treaton Rhumburac / BIackpriest / Cychuck / Black Distress
* Tribune Maximus / Dragoon VanZan / Dragoon ToyoShima
* TSS1 / Kathi / Woody / Estamel1 / Degron / Mclelle
* Turkantho / Enjehl Deesaiha / Thorsten Tabulator / Vincent Volante / Tarnic Greeh / Wusa
* under taker / shira cruise
* vaapad
* vipy
* Willington / Carthaja / cold0r
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jimera muroaga
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Posted - 2008.12.12 13:20:00 -
[1548]
APPENDIX B - AMT T2 BPOs
Ship BPOs
* Claymore
* Claymore
* Eos
* Muninn
* Sabre
* Crow
* Manticore
Module BPOs
* 1MN Afterburner II
* 100MN Afterburner II
* Standard Missile Launcher II
* Rocket Launcher II
* Large Shield Extender II
* Large Shield Booster II
* Medium Armor Repairer II
* Tracking Disruptor II
* Heavy Electron Blaster II
* Heavy Ion Blaster II
* 220mm Vulcan Autocannon II
* 75mm Gatling Rail II
* Dual 650mm Repeating Artillery II
* Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
* Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
* Damage Control II
* Radar Backup Array II
* Medium Capacitor Battery II
* Large Capacitor Battery II
* Small Capacitor Booster II
* Small Energy Transfer Array II
* Miner II
Ammo BPOs
* Barrage M
* Barrage M
* Hail M
* Tremor M
* Tremor L
* Spike L
* Javelin L
* Null L
* Aurora S
* Inferno Javelin Torpedo
* Inferno Rage Torpedo
* Bane Javelin Torpedo
* Bane Rage Torpedo
* Paradise Precision Cruise Missile
* Hellfire Rage Assault Missile
* Foxfire Javelin Rocket
Drohnen BPOs
* Infiltrator II
* Hornet II
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Azuraito
Caldari
Villains
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Posted - 2008.12.12 13:25:00 -
[1549]
Originally by: Suga H
Silence isn't the answer, CCP.
CCP dont give a **** about you! so no answer will be forthcoming!
All they care about is the gold lining their pockets.. 
Would be nice to have CCP naming and shaming the culprits, but it seems ********** got there first again!
LaVista Vista for president!
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Fifinella
Caldari
Fringe Exploration And Salvage Trust
FOUNDATI0N
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Posted - 2008.12.12 13:27:00 -
[1550]
Originally by: jimera muroaga
Edited by: jimera muroaga on 12/12/2008 13:21:11
http://www.kuguts umen.com/showthread.php?t=3428
APPENDIX A - AMT Alt List:
Thank you for your well thought-out reply and interesting list of meaningless drivel.
I'm sure CCP will immediately rush over to ban accounts based on the recommendations of a banned player.
You do know CCP has several tools at their disposal to find out who's who's alt? "Guessing" isn't very high on that list.
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Azuraito
Caldari
Villains
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Posted - 2008.12.12 13:28:00 -
[1551]
Originally by: Azuraito
Originally by: Suga H
Silence isn't the answer, CCP.
CCP dont give a **** about you! so no answer will be forthcoming!
All they care about is the gold lining their pockets..
Would be nice to have CCP naming and shaming the culprits, but it seems ********** got there first again!
OMG.. K U G U T S U M E N is a banned word!
LaVista Vista for president!
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Arianhod
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Posted - 2008.12.12 13:34:00 -
[1552]
Experts are calling this a Charlie Foxtrot.
Haruhiists - Overloading Out of Pod discussions since 2007.
Haruhiists - Supporting Linkification since 2008
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Atharax
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Posted - 2008.12.12 13:42:00 -
[1553]
Originally by: Alois Hammer
....but also by artificially deflating the market they now driven the smaller manufacturers out of business by undercutting to the point of devaluing items.
which is bad bad business. basically he who gets free stuff makes more free stuff and gets all the isk with none of the work
Yes, I have very good industrial, mining and refining skills. But for a long time I have hardly produced anything. Now this fact have been brought into the open, I am very upset.
It wasn't profitable for me, not compared to what was offered on the market.
So I really wondered what was going on here in Eve.
I had my suspicions, that it was somehow connected to ISK to RL currency converting. But without solid facts it was not much that could be said or done.
Where do we go from here? I really don't know.
A game economy isn't anything like the real world one, things happen a lot faster in a game, but some mechanisms are necessarily the same.
I wonder that one way of stabilizing things would be what the real world governments do, they get into the commercial part of things. Even in the USA they have started to nationalize banks, imagine that!
The cure here for us who wish to continue to play is not that radical, but similar.
We need stability!
Can we get the NPC corporation back as trading and selling partners?
I think that would provide the best way to provide stable prices and uphold a functioning market model. In short, this would both allow and provide a situation where we could continue our gameplay.
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Smith
Caldari
Destructive Influence
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.12.12 13:44:00 -
[1554]
Whats the point of naming and shaming if the players have been banned...it not like they are going to be involved in this game anymore?
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Daoi Sith
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Posted - 2008.12.12 13:45:00 -
[1555]
Originally by: Etho Demerzel
Originally by: Noriko Rei
CCP has fixed the exploit. CCP has banned numerous accounts, and more will likely follow, based on conclusive evidence of directly utilizing a bug for gain. CCP has destroyed every POS verifiably involved in the matter.
The game will move forward. Prices will go up and folks won't like it, but prices can't rise above what the market will bear, or goods simply won't be sold. The market will balance itself under these new conditions without an influx of materials pulled out of thin air.
It is reasonable to expect CCP to correct the matter as far as ensuring it cannot continue and punishing those who clearly, willfully abused the game. It is also reasonable to question how this could've slipped through the cracks for four years. It is unreasonable, however, to expect that CCP can (or should) punish everyone who conceivably benefited from this problem, as that would include every player who has ever purchased T2 equipment; your costs were lowered overall by an influx of "free" materials.
What I find most boggling is the fact that EVE has a dedicated economist who didn't spot this. Perhaps CCP should hire or assign employees to periodically audit corporation and alliance finances to identify such egregious abuses in the future.
I also find it hard to believe that the people taking advantage of this broken game mechanic for so long didn't brag to their friends. Those people who knew it was happening may benefit the most, as they are equally guilty for allowing such activity to continue without notifying CCP, yet they cannot be conclusively linked to the wrongdoing itself. While many are quick to lambast CCP for the current situation, I presume there were a great many players who sold their integrity over the past four years for a few kickbacks from the direct offenders.
I'd like to thank CCP for executing justice as swiftly as possible and fixing the exploit so this can't happen again.
And Santa Claus will save us all, this Dec 25th. Now go to your dad and tell him to explain to you hw you were born.
Please, there should be a minimum age to post in these threads...
PS. If you are not a 12 year old boy, I really pity you.
somehow you have managed to completely ignore probably the most reasonable and balanced comment in this thread and then go on to make personal insults. nothing in the post is immature. it is a calm, rational post. your response however is a different matter.
in fact your post is so ironic I cant help but feel i just responded to a troll
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Nouva MacGyver
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Posted - 2008.12.12 13:47:00 -
[1556]
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
Update: This matter will be brought up at a CSM and CCP meeting this upcoming weekend.
Great, can't wait for the aftermath. In the meantime..
Yes, i've been greedy. I've held onto the BPO for far too long. It's time to share:
WTS: Large Drama-Type Popcorn BPCs
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Azuraito
Caldari
Villains
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Posted - 2008.12.12 13:49:00 -
[1557]
Originally by: Smith
Whats the point of naming and shaming if the players have been banned...it not like they are going to be involved in this game anymore?
Would be nice to know if BOB also had a hand in the cookie jar... Wouldnt be the first time would it? 
LaVista Vista for president!
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Agnemon
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Posted - 2008.12.12 13:52:00 -
[1558]
POPCORN POPCORN GET YOUR POPCORN HERE
POPCORN FOR FERROGEL, POPCORN FOR FERROGEL
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Norian Lonark
Gallente
Black Thorne Corporation
Black Thorne Alliance
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Posted - 2008.12.12 13:55:00 -
[1559]
I am looking forward to CCP posting some sort of response in addition to what has already been posted. It would seem that an event such as this would merit one, rather than having to wait in the dark with peoples imagination running wild.
As a miner/industrialist type, I have often looked at getting into production but just felt its not worth it as there is no way I can compete with the prices. As some previous posters stated this exploit has probably had quite a lot to do with that.
From my point of view playing the game, it wont really impact me a lot, I will still logon fly my ships, do my missions, mine the belts etc.
The interesting thing for me is where it goes from here. I doubt that CCP will have any sort of bailout plan as is being suggested, why would we want that? If market prices go up and people are now producing goods on an even playing field, surely that is better for us the players?
This whole thing does make you wonder though, I mean if this has been going on for 4 years, what other things are going to come out the closet so to speak 
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Iluminat
Minmatar
Sharp Dressed Man
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Posted - 2008.12.12 13:59:00 -
[1560]
Is this gonna have some effect on ETC since isk printers are offline?
I hope prices gonna drop to normal prices because i cant compete agains people
who offers insane amount of free isk for a 60 days code
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