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Brutal Red
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
12
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Posted - 2012.05.24 19:19:00 -
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CCP Soundwave wrote:Mistah Ewedynao wrote:Well thanks for trying Soundwave. This will take some serious fixing, good luck.
I am trying to NOT jump on the unsubbing bandwagon.....I really am. Yeah sorry guys, we won't be able to do everything at once, but hopefully we can trickle some fixes out. We had some go out today, some will go out next Tuesday and hopefully we can continue until it's in a better state. Anyway, that's it for now.
What about :
- rollback the inventory system
- deploy inventory system on test server
- fix inventory system
???
The current state of Eve is annoying (I'm being polite here) .
I didn't even login today .
I'm already looking at other things to do in my regular evening gametime 
Unless CCP actually wants less players ... |
Cyn Osuralt
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2012.05.24 19:21:00 -
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Fareldon wrote:Gentlemen,
I hate your unified inventory. Granted the previous one was not perfect but I never wasted a lot of playing time fighting windows that closed when I wanted them open and windows that could not be kept open so I could move items from one to the other. If it isn't broke don't mess with it. Even a lowly applications programmer like myself learned that early on. The quickest way to lose a client is too give them something they did not want just because you think it is an improvement.
Your inventory improvement is like the newer window buttons on cars that go all the way up or all the way down everytime you push them for more than a secound when all you wanted was to lower the window a couple inches and catch a breath of air.
Make the old inventory available again please ! and soon or lose my two accounts !
Respectfully yours, Fareldon
I'm seriously looking at closing my 8 accounts and my friend has 4 accounts that he's looking at shutting off. We are miners with POS and can't deal with the problems with the UI. It's worse than having to deal with Hulkageddon.
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Arritha
Insidious Design
1
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Posted - 2012.05.24 19:26:00 -
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Seriously. Please just listen to your customers.
We do not want this new inventory system because it is inefficient. Is it pretty? Yes. Is it a pain in the ass? Yes.
Only one of these makes people ragequit.
Apparently you didn't learn the last time you did this about listening to customers... |
Talia Araceli
Nuts and Vindictive
Remix Technologies
2
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Posted - 2012.05.24 19:27:00 -
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Rammix wrote:Tippia wrote:Hahahaha. No. Statistics have zero meaning GÇö they're just data. What matters is how those are interpreted and what goes into that interpretation, and that can be a very subjective affair. Moreover, not everything can be measured through statistics. Statistics is a useful analytical tool; it is not an answer, and it has strict limitations as a tool as well.
How to interpret is important, sure. But the more respondents, the more steady results. I mean, one person suggests some crucial change, another suggests the opposite. Both suggestions can be extreme. But sorted and classified (e.g. similar thoughts grouped together and counted) suggestions of hundreds/thousands of people will smooth it out and return much more useful info. Devs will make more decent decision relying on statistical info rather than players' personal opinions. Except maybe new feature ideas. Quote:Statistical value of data from SiSi is much lower than that from Tranquility. Not really, no, because we're not talking about something that has any statistically measurable GÇö we're looking at a fairly classic case of qualitative analysis, and as it happens the outcome has been the same on TQ as it was on Sisi.
I don't believe that 300 can correctly represent 30'000. Sisi is not a mini-TQ in its social aspect, categories of players differ in percentage, almost for sure.[/quote]
Look around you. Open your eyes. The sky is blue and you are arguing its our opinion. Your posts **** me off man. I don't know what your mental problem is, but seek help, please. |
Rammix
FreeWorkers
9
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Posted - 2012.05.24 19:28:00 -
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By the way, who is interested, count all people who have said on this forums they dislike newUI. Then, take it from the number of all english-speaking players. Result will represent those who like newUI. LoL.
Ingore that, just a joke. 
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Spanking Monkeys
ZC Industries
Dark Stripes
35
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Posted - 2012.05.24 19:29:00 -
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Brutal Red wrote:CCP Soundwave wrote:Mistah Ewedynao wrote:Well thanks for trying Soundwave. This will take some serious fixing, good luck.
I am trying to NOT jump on the unsubbing bandwagon.....I really am. Yeah sorry guys, we won't be able to do everything at once, but hopefully we can trickle some fixes out. We had some go out today, some will go out next Tuesday and hopefully we can continue until it's in a better state. Anyway, that's it for now. What about : - rollback the inventory system - deploy inventory system on test server - fix inventory system ??? The current state of Eve is annoying (I'm being polite here) . I didn't even login today . I'm already looking at other things to do in my regular evening gametime Unless CCP actually wants less players ...
this woudl be the fastest way to solve this mess wouldnt it? |
Fabulousli Obvious
State War Academy
Caldari State
274
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Posted - 2012.05.24 19:31:00 -
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Rammix wrote:Tippia wrote:
Then maybe you shouldn't argue about statistics, because 300 out of 30,000 is a very large sampleGǪ
For such small number as 30k and without respondents specially filtered out - it's not so representative. For example, it is like going to a small town and asking only old ladies' opinions, instead of picking people from all categories. That's what I'm talking about. Sisi's audience is not little copy of TQ's. Maybe if my English were better I would spend less words to explain what I mean. Need to read moar. 
IRRELEVANT (the number to argue) !
The Bugs WERE Found and Posted by many over a 6 week time period.
It was done. Even if it were TWO people that found out all the crap, it's still information. You need 30,000 more people typing the same issues ?
I think that God, in creating man, somewhat overestimated his ability. In all matters of opinion, our adversaries are insane.
~~ Oscar Wilde, writer, d. November 30, 1900 |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
7300
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Posted - 2012.05.24 19:31:00 -
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Rammix wrote:Opinions are subjective. Statistics are much less subjective. So I'm arguing about priorities for picking up data. There is no data to pick up.
Even if there were, there is no data to compare it with, since none was collected for the old system.
Beyond that, this is a qualitative analysis situation, so statistics is the wrong tool for the job anyway.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Shift-click does nothing GÇö why the Unified Inventory isn't ready for primetime. |
Fabulousli Obvious
State War Academy
Caldari State
274
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Posted - 2012.05.24 19:37:00 -
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Tippia wrote:
Beyond that, this is a qualitative analysis situation, so statistics is the wrong tool for the job anyway.
Seriously. The amount of Brain Fail in here is staggering.
I think that God, in creating man, somewhat overestimated his ability. In all matters of opinion, our adversaries are insane.
~~ Oscar Wilde, writer, d. November 30, 1900 |
Rammix
FreeWorkers
9
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Posted - 2012.05.24 19:38:00 -
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Talia Araceli wrote:
Look around you. Open your eyes. The sky is blue and you are arguing its our opinion. Your posts **** me off man. I don't know what your mental problem is, but seek help, please.
You're speaking absurd, trying to connect unconnectible things and presenting it like an argument. Google about sociology a bit.
You seem to have fallen into illusion that, if someone doesn't come to the forum to express his attitude to the updates, it means his opinion is automatically similar to yours.
As I stated above, forums more oftenly visited by those who want to complain. Those who feel themselves comfortable usually are not interested to write anything here.
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Fareldon
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
3
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Posted - 2012.05.24 19:43:00 -
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You Can't polish a Turd !!  CCP Soundwave wrote:Hey guys We should have another round of fixes/changes coming this Tuesday (Monday is a public holiday in Iceland). I'll post that list in the thread Tuesday morning. |
Fabulousli Obvious
State War Academy
Caldari State
274
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Posted - 2012.05.24 19:44:00 -
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Fareldon wrote:You Can't polish a Turd !! CCP Soundwave wrote:Hey guys We should have another round of fixes/changes coming this Tuesday (Monday is a public holiday in Iceland). I'll post that list in the thread Tuesday morning.
Although I'm sure someone, somewhere, has indeed tried.
I think that God, in creating man, somewhat overestimated his ability. In all matters of opinion, our adversaries are insane.
~~ Oscar Wilde, writer, d. November 30, 1900 |
Talia Araceli
Nuts and Vindictive
Remix Technologies
2
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Posted - 2012.05.24 19:45:00 -
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Rammix wrote:Talia Araceli wrote:
Look around you. Open your eyes. The sky is blue and you are arguing its our opinion. Your posts **** me off man. I don't know what your mental problem is, but seek help, please.
You're speaking absurd, trying to connect unconnectible things and presenting it like an argument. Google about sociology a bit. You seem to have fallen into illusion that, if someone doesn't come to the forum to express his attitude to the updates, it means his opinion is automatically similar to yours. As I stated above, forums more oftenly visited by those who want to complain. Those who feel themselves comfortable usually are not interested to write anything here.
You are not helping. We are here trying to get CCP to listen to reason, and you are here trying your hardest to throw all of this under the rug. Are you friends with one of the devs or something? PLEASE STOP POSTING. With eve players like you, CCP does not need enemies. Did I mention that you come off as extremely arrogant and dismissive? |
Callidus Dux
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
270
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Posted - 2012.05.24 19:52:00 -
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Rammix wrote:Talia Araceli wrote:
Look around you. Open your eyes. The sky is blue and you are arguing its our opinion. Your posts **** me off man. I don't know what your mental problem is, but seek help, please.
You're speaking absurd, trying to connect unconnectible things and presenting it like an argument. Google about sociology a bit. You seem to have fallen into illusion that, if someone doesn't come to the forum to express his attitude to the updates, it means his opinion is automatically similar to yours. As I stated above, forums more oftenly visited by those who want to complain. Those who feel themselves comfortable usually are not interested to write anything here.
Than bring in your "friends" who love this crap UI! After that we can recount. As it is now. The current majority hates this UI. |
Par'Gellen
44
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Posted - 2012.05.24 19:59:00 -
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Chaotic Mind wrote:I do like the new inventory, just needs some tweaks
- Hide Corporation Hangars which you can't access on the list
- When you use the filter on the top right, go deeper and search through all your assets.
Gray out all the hangars and ships and containers that doesn't contain the searched item
- Add a number of items found when using the filter (maybe on the right side of the containers/ships/hangars
- Now with the folder structure, why not letting us create our own folders without using a container?
Additional to this maybe give us the possibility to add colors to folders as visual help for stuff
- Possibility to define "favourites" that will always stay on top of the list (ship hangar, a special container in the corp hangars)
- please please please make it possible to save the layout of in-station inventory windows and out-station inventory windows.
basically it's not bad, but some may want no keep a seperate "ship hangar" , but once you undock all the windows positions are gone :/
- Add a little online/offline icon next to the pos modules
YES YES YES! Also the ability to sort the treeview lists! I dare somene at CCP to find a single member hanger from a list of 300 in less than 10 minutes. I DARE YOU!
To err is human, but it shouldn't be the company motto... |
Mongo Edwards
Grey Templars
Ushra'Khan
9
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Posted - 2012.05.24 19:59:00 -
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It isn't that bad of a UI (kind of reminds me of Outlook or Windows Explorer). It has some glaring defects but it does address some of the issues noted with item organization in hangers. Do I wish that this had been deployed for assets and cargo bays of active ships first? Yes. Do I think this UI has the potential to make things more efficient for me once I get used to it? Very much yes.
Once they resolve the loading lag; POS issues; and adding the cargo, corp hanger, fuel bay shortcut functionality back I really won't have many complaints other than "It's different." Already I'm finding some tasks to be faster with the new UI and aside from loading/refresh lag most tasks aren't that much slower if at all.
Edit: The post (and quote) above mine would also be very handy to have. |
Par'Gellen
44
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Posted - 2012.05.24 20:02:00 -
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Rammix wrote:Those who feel themselves comfortable usually are not interested to write anything here.
Who are those 8 people?
To err is human, but it shouldn't be the company motto... |
Dallandra Ellecon
Bluelight Research
1
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Posted - 2012.05.24 20:06:00 -
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any chance of making the est price optional? |
Challu
Wishful Desires Inc.
Armada Assail
10
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Posted - 2012.05.24 20:06:00 -
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Rammix, you have half a point, but think of it this way - if 100 people used to complain about A and now 1,000 people complain about B, B is 10x times unpopular than A.. And if the number of people complaining about B is not an insignificant part of your client base, then you have a problem.
Incidentally, it's not true that people don't post if you're happy - check the threads after Crucible. Folks didn't hold back to let CCP know they were happy with the changes, either.
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Meytal
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
10
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Posted - 2012.05.24 20:07:00 -
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You guys (CCP) like the tree, and I can see some positives to it as well. However, there are many negatives, particularly in the approach of squeezing everyone into a one-size-fits-all package. Many players are even calling for a return to the previous functionality. Why not do both?
1) Others have already mentioned something similar by suggesting a separated Tree View. Instead of that, simply allow the possibility to collapse the Contents Pane, similar to how it is possible now to collapse the Tree Pane (hereafter called the Asset List Pane).
2) The Asset List Pane should have tabs or toggle options to display the list of assets differently. One option should be to display assets (personal or corporate) based on their location (sorted by Station, System, Constellation, or Region), much like the Assets window displays assets now. Another option should be to display assets (personal or corporate) based on ownership and containment, similar to the Tree as it exists right now.
* The UI should remember which view settings were last used, and use the same view settings until changed by the user. *
3) Combine the Inventory button and Assets button on the Neocom into one Assets button. On the very first opening, it could default to whatever view you choose, Location or Ownership/Containment (Tree). After that, it displays the user's choice. This window should have a collapsed Contents Pane by default.
4) Users should have the option to drag individual nodes to the Neocom bar to replicate the previous behaviour of Station Inventory or Ship Hangar, etc. These shortcuts would open with the Asset List Pane collapsed.
5) Single-left-clicking an item/node in the Asset List Pane should cause the Contents Pane to expand and display the contents at that selected node.
6) Double-left-clicking, or shift-clicking, an item/node should open a child window with the Asset List Pane collapsed, displaying the contents at that selected node.
7) Right-clicking an item/node and choosing Open or Browse, or whatever makes sense given the existing options, opens a new Inventory window with Assets List Pane and Contents Pane both expanded with the respective item/node pre-selected and the contents displayed in the Contents Pane.
8) Have an option to disable the animations. Have them enabled by default, but allow us to turn off the eye-candy if we so desire :) The Inventory is already rather latent as it is.
(Assume these ideas are combined with the other suggestions I've made previously)
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Rammix
FreeWorkers
9
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Posted - 2012.05.24 20:09:00 -
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Fabulousli Obvious wrote:
The Bugs WERE Found and Posted by many over a 6 week time period.
It was done. Even if it were TWO people that found out all the crap, it's still information. You need 30,000 more people typing the same issues ?
I don't need anything. Just talking about what info is more significant and what is less. Don't pull words out of context and don't corrupt the meaning. Bugs are bugs, but I was talking about opinions (what seems wrong/right to smb). I didn't say that they must be ignored, only that priority must be given to sorted info gathered from many people, not few forum dwellers.
By the way, bugreports are supposed to be sent via account management or ingame, not via forums.
Tippia, similar thoughts can be counted (to speak more correctly, their authors - as how many people share the same idea). Depending on "popularity" of collected thoughts priority can be assigned to them. Results can be adjusted using server logs and bugreport logfiles. And further by devs.
Hence, anything that has similarities can be grouped and counted and sorted. That is why statistics are pretty useful for gathering any feedback from masses. Eve is absolutely not an exception.
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Jonuts
The Arrow Project
CORE.
26
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Posted - 2012.05.24 20:10:00 -
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Cyn Osuralt wrote:Fareldon wrote:Gentlemen,
I hate your unified inventory. Granted the previous one was not perfect but I never wasted a lot of playing time fighting windows that closed when I wanted them open and windows that could not be kept open so I could move items from one to the other. If it isn't broke don't mess with it. Even a lowly applications programmer like myself learned that early on. The quickest way to lose a client is too give them something they did not want just because you think it is an improvement.
Your inventory improvement is like the newer window buttons on cars that go all the way up or all the way down everytime you push them for more than a secound when all you wanted was to lower the window a couple inches and catch a breath of air.
Make the old inventory available again please ! and soon or lose my two accounts !
Respectfully yours, Fareldon I'm seriously looking at closing my 8 accounts and my friend has 4 accounts that he's looking at shutting off. We are miners with POS and can't deal with the problems with the UI. It's worse than having to deal with Hulkageddon.
Wow. Just...Wow. When the miners find dealing with the Unified Inventory more of a ***** than HULKAGEDDON, then well, once again, you know you just done gone ****** up...again. |
yunafan2004
Nox Noctis Industrius
Novus Dominatum
5
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Posted - 2012.05.24 20:12:00 -
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So in a earlier i see you have fixed my two minute wait time as my POS loads everything but a blow job that is in or out of my reach. But still have not fixed the main issue of using mods and multiple divisions at my tower. i went from two windows for two mods and 2 divisions to now 4 windows to do the same exact thing effiecently?!
In an earlier post i asked what was simpler then the ability to right clcik on the mod i needed and was next to to open its hanger?! i still can't acess stuff outside of 3k from my ship so why does this stupis sytem need to load everything but the sun so i can just change a BP in a lab?
it still makes salvaging a hassle and i wont even try mining again until this thing is repealed...maybe you should give the isk farmers CCP certified bots to mine with since they can navigate and use this garbage better then humans can.
I still want my old system back but would like you to bring one thing from this trash system to my old system which is the new bigger status bar of the hanger. I like the look of it better.
If you guys wanted to "fix" something why not fix somethign thats broke like the corp roles disaster. That thing needed and overhaul for awhile now and its the one UI that needed fixing. and while your fixing that mess add the ability for all my members to look at corp loses and kills not just directors and CEOs.
I tried to like this system and you guys have done a lot of great things with this game since i started playing some years ago...displaying drone damage and correct drone stats with your skills factored in are two of my fav...but this UI is the first thing that has really upset me please give us the option to opt out. I see some seem to like it but I thing most don't so give us the best of both worlds please. |
Rammix
FreeWorkers
9
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Posted - 2012.05.24 20:19:00 -
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Talia Araceli wrote:Rammix wrote:Talia Araceli wrote:
Look around you. Open your eyes. The sky is blue and you are arguing its our opinion. Your posts **** me off man. I don't know what your mental problem is, but seek help, please.
You're speaking absurd, trying to connect unconnectible things and presenting it like an argument. Google about sociology a bit. You seem to have fallen into illusion that, if someone doesn't come to the forum to express his attitude to the updates, it means his opinion is automatically similar to yours. As I stated above, forums more oftenly visited by those who want to complain. Those who feel themselves comfortable usually are not interested to write anything here. You are not helping. We are here trying to get CCP to listen to reason, and you are here trying your hardest to throw all of this under the rug. Are you friends with one of the devs or something? PLEASE STOP POSTING. With eve players like you, CCP does not need enemies. Did I mention that you come off as extremely arrogant and dismissive?
Wow. Stop reading and answering. I don't like when someone overreact and turn a not-so-bad thing into mud. That is why I'm arguing here.
CCP is listening anyway.
And whatever you write here if they don't think you're right they will ignore. Hysteria is useless (speaking in general).
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Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E.
Comic Mischief
665
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Posted - 2012.05.24 20:22:00 -
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Fabulousli Obvious wrote:Fareldon wrote:You Can't polish a Turd !! CCP Soundwave wrote:Hey guys We should have another round of fixes/changes coming this Tuesday (Monday is a public holiday in Iceland). I'll post that list in the thread Tuesday morning. Although I'm sure someone, somewhere, has indeed tried.
And succeeded. Google images: Mythbusters Polish poop
http://vincentoneve.wordpress.com/ |
Chokichi Ozuwara
Royal One Piece Corporation
Deadly Unknown
181
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Posted - 2012.05.24 20:27:00 -
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Callic Veratar wrote:I had my connection die a few times when I tried to move a hangar full of stuff to a freighter, I'm not arguing that there aren't performance issues.
Good focus on the issues then. No one gives a toss what you think about other players in Eve, least of all CCP.
Tears will be shed and pants will need to be changed all round. |
Sarina Berghil
Adhocracy Incorporated
Adhocracy
44
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Posted - 2012.05.24 20:30:00 -
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CCP Soundwave wrote:Timbuck V wrote:Endeavour Starfleet wrote:
.... The new system is here to stay so it is better to give good suggestions they can do instead of a useless opinion.
Ok so... Close this topic, that's a good suggestion for you I guess For UI suggestions look a the forum, and pass over troll'nd whining post. For my part my suggestions - Static windows - Double-clic instead of shift-clic or/and Clic'nd drag - Orca corporate hangar windowed with tabs - Grouping of different type of structure ( POS ) - Highlight of accessible structures ( POS ) - Naming Pos modules But In anycase to begin with - " Reading the feedback of the capsuler test on Sisi Might have been a good starting point" Most, if not all of those, are likely to happen :) It will very likely be drag and drop windows and not double click though!
It was mentioned in the dev blog that you wanted to change the shift-click behaviour to drag and drop. I don't understand how that is supposed to work. Say I want to open a container located in a station hangar, and I want the contents to open in a new window, where do I 'drag and drop' the container?
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Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E.
Comic Mischief
665
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Posted - 2012.05.24 20:33:00 -
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Par'Gellen wrote:Rammix wrote:Those who feel themselves comfortable usually are not interested to write anything here. Who are those 8 people?
At least 10 of those 8 people are in my alliance, and Ive only heard from 15--20 of them on the subject. May have said they at first thought it was horrid, then learned how to use it, set up filters, and now think its wonderful. Ive found filters can replace sorting into cans in many cases.
http://vincentoneve.wordpress.com/ |
Chokichi Ozuwara
Royal One Piece Corporation
Deadly Unknown
182
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Posted - 2012.05.24 20:40:00 -
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Sarina Berghil wrote:It was mentioned in the dev blog that you wanted to change the shift-click behaviour to drag and drop. I don't understand how that is supposed to work. Say I want to open a container located in a station hangar, and I want the contents to open in a new window, where do I 'drag and drop' the container?
They aren't thinking this far ahead.
Right now they are just going to make knee jerk changes hoping that everyone loses the energy to complain and accepts the inventory system and lives with it.
Basically, they are going to outwait all of you. And you'll accept this because you have no power in the situation.
They know it. You should know it.
Tears will be shed and pants will need to be changed all round. |
Ad'Hakim Tahous
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
112
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Posted - 2012.05.24 20:49:00 -
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