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Tippia Reikoku IT Alliance	Posted - 2010.04.20 14:02:00 - [271] Originally by: Davader Monkey is just a cheap cheater, not a hero. It doesn't matter, how excatly this "kung-fu" works: exploit, GM-permissions, python code injection on client side, traffic sniffering, it's an illegal way of playing and has to be stopped. The problem is that no evidence of "kung-fu" has been presented, so how it works or whether it works at all isn't even interesting so far… ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
Lady Karma	Posted - 2010.04.20 14:04:00 - [272] Please ensure when writing out your petition against the Evil Monkey, that you include which version of macro software you are using so that CCP can help you with any compatibility issues you may be having with the TQ server. There are some know issues with some botting software and CCP will be more than happy to help you patch it so that you can once again afk rat in peace.
species2143	Posted - 2010.04.20 14:05:00 - [273] Originally by: Iteken Hotori If any of these accusers had a shred of credibility, this would be less funny. You accuse without any proof, and get laughed at, then make up some half-arsed theory, wave your hands about then shout "Proof yayayayayaya". GG :) What's credibility worth when you can hide behind a character? Nothing. The only thing that remains are the contents of the statements and the facts to support them, elaborate on those rather than attacking the people. In addition, if you read my posts carefully you will notice that I personally don't accuse anyone, unless you where excluding me in your above quoted statement.
Amberlamps	Posted - 2010.04.20 14:11:00 - [274] Originally by: Arvano Alright, I've read this entire thread. Let me see if I got this straight. Someone in EVE is not showing up in local, and is appearing, almost like magic, mere inches from other peoples' ships, catching them entirely off guard, giving no chance of escape or evasive actions, and popping them almost instantly - and you all have decided that this is completely fine, and that the only people affected are botters/scripters/other people who generally use illegal programs to play the game for them whilst they are AFK. Am I correct? If I am correct, then I don't understand that attitude. If someone is jumping into a system, not showing up on the local chat, and appearing like magic poof in front of your ship almost instantly, then at best an exploit is being used, and at worst something more serious is being used. The thing is... you're not getting it right. It's a **ing log in trap, why the don't you stupid ruskies get it into your head you are falling for the most basic of traps... for s sake stop blaming CCPs game for your low level of intelligence. I enjoyed the trolling on this thread and I'm so surprised it managed to get to page 9 without getting locked by a moderator but for s sake, page 9 and still arm chair experts are appearing giving their stupid and unsupported conspiracy theories of how monkeysphere is kicking the out them. How about this... it took me maybe a minute.. in fact I didn't even have to think I came to my head instantly when the topic was raised in my brain... MonkeySphere + 2 other players... follow a macro into a system they know the macro will log off instantly in the belt when he jumps into system so he quickly runs a directional on the belt or warps with an extremely fast ship to the celestial with the most belts otherwise know as the star. He then gets a a location on what belt they are in or what multiple belts they may well be in! Knowing this he flys to 0m on the belt and logs off with the 3 accounts we have all seen on these "hacks". He has an Arazu... an Arazu has a crazy ass point that could point your nan coming out of the bingo hall from pluto. Now he knows and so does everybody EVEN the ing macros know you live off ISK and without ISK you slowly die and diminish its like vampires - blood, jews - gold and footballers - affairs. They can't go without each other. Even if he couldnt locate you down to one belt he can log off 3 accounts in 3 different belts... He waits a few minutes maybe even 30 minute as he knows you cloak for the 15 minute timer . He then uses another character or a friend on ventrilo/teamspeak who said macro added to address book when he sees you log on... he logs on... He knows for a FACT that you are unable to cancel the warp back to the belt and once you have logged on you WILL land there. He then simply points you with one of his characters then moves the other 2 characters in for the kill. He uses IN YOUR FACE dps with the Mach, a nice juicy point with the Arazu and he uses the curse/pilgrim to neut the crap out of whatever your whiny little ass has. Oh noes I've told the secret! OH WAIT but it isn't a secret its a simply ing log off trick. I am proud I play a game with someone like monkeysphere... He does NOT appear in local instantly as does everyone else when you log on... there is a lag time between them but its not because he is jumping through a stargate its because he's logging on in your system. He is not appearing within seconds.... as everyone is a moment of panic, the perception of time goes out of the window. Its a natural human bodily response to "slow" time down. Also another contributing cause is "Communism", I mean "Exaggeration". I don't believe for one second you guys have scouts sitting on every gate purely for one macro... so don't bull us with this crap about scouts seeing him fly past... you're just getting ed off with it. Where is your great leader Nao**
Iteken Hotori Minmatar Rionnag Alba Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2010.04.20 14:12:00 - [275] Originally by: species2143 Edited by: species2143 on 20/04/2010 14:07:30 Originally by: Iteken Hotori If any of these accusers had a shred of credibility, this would be less funny. You accuse without any proof, and get laughed at, then make up some half-arsed theory, wave your hands about then shout "Proof yayayayayaya". GG :) EDIT: Since there are no facts from either side this discussion is bound to spin in circles until more information is provided. In addition, if you read my posts carefully you will notice that I personally don't accuse anyone, unless you where excluding me in your above quoted statement. The you wasn't "you" specifically but a "the accusers" you. :)
The Crushah Gallente Death of Virtue MeatSausage EXPRESS	Posted - 2010.04.20 14:16:00 - [276] I heard Monkeysphere is a witch and sacrifices a real life monkey in order to disappear from local. No wait, I heard Monkeysphere sends prime grade-A "companions" to CCP employees in Iceland in exchange for being removed from local. Or was it that Monkeysphere wrote his own client in Fortran and runs it on 20 parallelized PDP-11's using a neural interface. Or maybe hes just clever and the rest of you are just morons. I loves me some Monkeysphere.
Tippia Reikoku IT Alliance	Posted - 2010.04.20 14:27:00 - [277] Originally by: The Crushah Or was it that Monkeysphere wrote his own client in Fortran and runs it on 20 parallelized PDP-11's using a neural interface. That's just ridiculous. Fortran is a myth. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
species2143	Posted - 2010.04.20 14:32:00 - [278] Edited by: species2143 on 20/04/2010 14:35:02 Originally by: The Crushah I heard Monkeysphere is a witch and sacrifices a real life monkey in order to disappear from local. Would sacrifizing a scottish fold acchieve a partial invulnerability? On a serious (Ya Rly) note, catching botters that simply logoff is not a big deal since u can predict where they will land. Whereas catching those bots that sit in a safe cloked for a random amount of time, and then warp to a random belt once the system is clear is a TOTALLY different story.
Certero	Posted - 2010.04.20 14:43:00 - [279] Edited by: Certero on 20/04/2010 14:44:15 Edited by: Certero on 20/04/2010 14:43:59 Originally by: Amberlamps Even if he couldnt locate you down to one belt he can log off 3 accounts in 3 different belts... And same in nearest 4-5 systems (to kill 5 ships in a row as we can see at kb, with 5-9 min interval) - so, he can logoff 3x5=15 accounts (or maybe 20 for 4 belts in a sytem? or maybe 40 for 8?). Rly, it's a way to win )))
Davader	Posted - 2010.04.20 14:49:00 - [280] Edited by: Davader on 20/04/2010 14:50:34 Edited by: Davader on 20/04/2010 14:49:58 Originally by: Certero And same in nearest 4-5 systems (to kill 5 ships in a row as we can see at kb, with 5-9 min interval) - so, he can logoff 3x5=15 accounts (or maybe 20 for 4 belts in a sytem? or maybe 40 for 8?). Rly, it's a way to win ))) Exactly. But then those 100500 accounts would appear on the KB, but there are only 4 of them (arazu, curse, mach. and a sabre). So, this version doesn't work. How much "lucky" are they, to predict and fly into the exact belt each time in such roamings (5 ships in a row with 5-9 min interval)... Those, who believe in such luck may look at the KB again. Of course, botting is bad, but to use non legal methods to fight against is bad too.

species2143	Posted - 2010.04.20 14:53:00 - [281] Originally by: Certero Edited by: Certero on 20/04/2010 14:44:15 Edited by: Certero on 20/04/2010 14:43:59 Originally by: Amberlamps Even if he couldnt locate you down to one belt he can log off 3 accounts in 3 different belts... And same in nearest 4-5 systems (to kill 5 ships in a row as we can see at kb, with 5-9 min interval) - so, he can logoff 3x5=15 accounts (or maybe 20 for 4 belts in a sytem? or maybe 40 for 8?). Rly, it's a way to win ))) Place bubble when u run out of alts? As previously stated, there are many ways to catch bots/players that simply logoff... things are alot more complex for the second kind of bots that I mentioned previously. So please ask the guys on the russian forums to provide at least a screenshot of monkey not showing in local or any other kind of proof. Otherwise this discussion is just another "NO YOU" thread without any content.
Certero	Posted - 2010.04.20 14:58:00 - [282] Originally by: species2143 So please ask the guys on the russian forums to provide at least a screenshot of monkey not showing in local or any other kind of proof. Otherwise this discussion is just another "NO YOU" thread without any content. We're waiting for sreenshots or fraps - as soon as it will be availabe on the russian forum it will be here too.
species2143	Posted - 2010.04.20 15:01:00 - [283] In the meantime while we wait for the proof what will the new meme be if this all turns out to be lot's of noise for nothing? "GOT MONKEY?"
Seth Ruin Minmatar Ominous Corp Primary.	Posted - 2010.04.20 15:04:00 - [284] Originally by: Certero Originally by: species2143 So please ask the guys on the russian forums to provide at least a screenshot of monkey not showing in local or any other kind of proof. Otherwise this discussion is just another "NO YOU" thread without any content. We're waiting for sreenshots or fraps - as soon as it will be availabe on the russian forum it will be here too. I'm not sure how reasonable it is to expect fraps, seeing as the whole issue here is that they claim they can't see him in local before he appears. So unless every potential gank target has fraps running 23/7, the chances of catching a video would be pretty slim. And of course, bots aren't smart enough to take screenshots or fraps anyway.
Certero	Posted - 2010.04.20 15:10:00 - [285] Originally by: Seth Ruin And of course, bots aren't smart enough to take screenshots or fraps anyway. ))) but there were number of kills there victims weren't bots - that's why russians began discuss this problem on their forum and started this thread. and you're right it's not easy to fraps such kills...
Waxau Total Mayhem. Cry Havoc.	Posted - 2010.04.20 15:10:00 - [286] You know what.... This reminds me of a story, from when i was a wee lad, enjoying Shirley Temples in the sun, pretending i owned a shop in my food cuboard. My mother used to get fed up with paying twice for the food she bought that day. Anyway, i digress (means im going off the point, for non-english speaking readers) The point is. My grandfather used to push out his teeth. Always used to laugh that i couldnt do it. I tried for years, to such an extent that i now look like a 75 year old man myself, with slanted teeth poking outwards, that when eating with a spoon, i catch my hand when entering the spoon into my mouth. After many years of trying, my grandfather eventually died. He was old. Turns out, old people have false teeth, and he was pushing out his false teeth. I on the other hand had real teeth. That was the major difference. Turns out, real teeth dont push out. Again, i digress to an extent (that means im going off the point, again, for non-english speaking readers) The moral of the story is two fold. 1. Old men cant be trusted. 2. Just because you dont understand how Monkey pushes out his teeth, doesnt mean hes a old man who uses magic. He might just have false teeth. 3. Technically, this post has some relevance to the post, thus isnt off topic. Also slightly more understandable than other posts on here. Hope ive helped clarify. If not, post more silly comments. Theyre proving comical during my ratting. Brb. Arazu just appeared out of no where. Good thing im not in a golem.
MrSupervisor	Posted - 2010.04.20 15:19:00 - [287] Monkey has the potential to do something nobody ever wanted or cared to do TAKE OVER DRONE LANDS :D
Certero	Posted - 2010.04.20 15:38:00 - [288] Edited by: Certero on 20/04/2010 15:40:35 Originally by: Waxau You know what.... Good story. thanks. But problem is little different ))) Number of pilots from russian eve community want to know what happened with Monkey's victims. Those victims who are bots are not interesting for me (as for many other russians) let's kill'em! ))) But if he can kill good skilled pilots with the use of exploit - it's ****! So, i want to know truth. And that is all. So I'm just waiting for any proofs. PS: I don't like bots, but i will pay my subscription even knowing that there are russian or chinese bots - they can't make this game unfair to me. But if i'll see that somebody can use bugs/exploits to kill others i'll hide my credit card from CCP and will search for another entertaiment, bcos i need to know that i can be killed only by more skilled pilot and not by hacker (i respect skilled pilots and want to have challenge with them, not with cheaters). So, back to your story - if Monkey has a false teeth i need to have ability to get one too ))) as any other player in eve of course.
Duuremaar	Posted - 2010.04.20 15:40:00 - [289] "I confirm that "The Monkeysphere" player is using no-local and insta-scan exploits and request GMs and Developers to look into this matter
Ded MATAP	Posted - 2010.04.20 15:52:00 - [290] Edited by: Ded MATAP on 20/04/2010 15:54:13 OK. I agree, that bots is evil, and against all that good and right. I, myself, as i said before, hate bots only a little less than i hate exploiters. Well, lets assume that monkeysphere find a way to kill them, and how to bypass thier security scripts. He claims himself as a noble crusader against unholy bots. To punish and eredicate them! Okay. But why not open this "Bot kill" tactics to everyone? Considering this tactics work only against bots, as monkey say. This won't hurt honest players. Make some fraps, so we, PVP pilots, know how he did it. This way we can remove bots from EVE once and for all! If CCP cannot do it, let players do the work. Tell us how, and many join this noble crusade... Many hate bots, im sure of it. But if he dont tell us, then his goals not near as noble as he say. Or he kills live players with that method... or he is really an exploiter.

The Monkeysphere North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2010.04.20 15:55:00 - [291] Bots? I thought CCP banned bots during unholy rage. There are no bots, that would be illegal! And sharing the simple mechanism to kill these evil exploiting bots (??? why bot!) would mean that the bots would adapt! You see, botters are like tortoises, and I am like Charles Darwin. EVE is like Texas, because it's so terrible and there are many Mexicans, and fat people are CEOs in the IT business. It's just not fair, and you cannot get past it by eating liver patT.
Lady Karma	Posted - 2010.04.20 16:00:00 - [292] In the same way a rich trader likes to share his secrets, I am sure Monkey will be more than happy to tell you how he does it. It is quite obvious that the only reason you want to know how this is done, is so you that can avoid it. (and add some lines to a macro or two ) You are accusing him of using exploits, clearly this isn't the case as the thread would have been locked pages ago for discussing exploits. That and the hundred or so petitions against him which have all been closed. The man farms Golems that drop billions in loot, and you think he should share that on a public forum.
Omenis Minmatar	Posted - 2010.04.20 16:05:00 - [293] I am not understand why is monkey target Russians? Cold war is over yes? Maybe monkey is Chechen??? --- THIS IS MEME.
Jorafai Norfolk Heavy Industries	Posted - 2010.04.20 16:08:00 - [294] Forum Community:: I found out minute ago how bots are killed by Monkey! I share with russian players only. I too wish to keep secret, but will tell those who pay isk! Business is business as he says! Send me a Conversation invitation and I will tell you!! Only telling people for 2 hour. Then i will stop!
Ottersmacker Dust-420	Posted - 2010.04.20 16:14:00 - [295] Originally by: Jorafai I found out minute ago how bots are killed by Monkey! I too wish to keep secret, but will tell those who pay isk! Now Jorfai, I'm really happy for you and imma let you finish, but evebank was one of the best scams of all time. One of the best scams of all time! shrugs and walks away
Boomershoot Caldari Suddenly Ninjas	Posted - 2010.04.20 16:18:00 - [296] Originally by: The Monkeysphere Bots? I thought CCP banned bots during unholy rage. There are no bots, that would be illegal! And sharing the simple mechanism to kill these evil exploiting bots (??? why bot!) would mean that the bots would adapt! You see, botters are like tortoises, and I am like Charles Darwin. EVE is like Texas, because it's so terrible and there are many Mexicans, and fat people are CEOs in the IT business. It's just not fair, and you cannot get past it by eating liver patT. I found god in a forum post.
lookatzebirdie	Posted - 2010.04.20 16:19:00 - [297] Originally by: The Monkeysphere Bots? I thought CCP banned bots during unholy rage. There are no bots, that would be illegal! And sharing the simple mechanism to kill these evil exploiting bots (??? why bot!) would mean that the bots would adapt! You see, botters are like tortoises, and I am like Charles Darwin. EVE is like Texas, because it's so terrible and there are many Mexicans, and fat people are CEOs in the IT business. It's just not fair, and you cannot get past it by eating liver patT. translation : i don't want others to know my super secret way of padding my stats with helpless ratters
The Monkeysphere North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2010.04.20 16:21:00 - [298] Edited by: The Monkeysphere on 20/04/2010 16:24:44 You have to open this in the background: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3dXUJVabyU And then look at this: http://i41.tinypic.com/v42zy8.jpg I am the Mujahisphere, and I kill botting infidels who see not the light of God, but the diversion of isk and beautiful virgins. I already mentioned this on EVE-RU, but I am like a prophet, like zeta and theta. (except the carrier on the picture got away, damn him to Heloahahah I am terrible
Stygian Knight Blood Covenant Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2010.04.20 16:29:00 - [299] Amount of tears in this thread is equal to epic. Someone should form "monkey take over drone lands" fond. I will toss in few dozen mill instantly. \o/
Zelda Wei	Posted - 2010.04.20 16:34:00 - [300] Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2 Originally by: Grath Telkin What are you talking about? I'm asking a simple question: Does this only affect cheaters or not? Can this be used on someone that is NOT a macro? It's a simple yes or no question. No. CCP disabled the /lurk command, but the Russians forgot to do likewise. So Monkey does appear in the real local, but not in the Bots local. gerrit yet?



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