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species2143
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Posted - 2010.04.21 17:04:00 -
[571]
 Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2
Originally by: species2143
My biggest fear was that the few guys that actually knew about this exploit before it became public, would have been smart and kept a low profile effectively abusing it for years undetected. Therefore all you guys calling out for monkey to be banned should stop and think for just one moment (remember the moon-mining scandal?) and actually be greatful.
Pandemic Legion didn't just come out and admitted they were using this exploit. This whole thread has been them misdirecting and derailing from the issue. I'm pretty sure they'd stay quiet for as long as they could, though the temptation of using it on real players would have been too much even for them, as is evident from the OP. And eventually that's what outted the exploit.
Now you're doing the very same like the few guys calling all russian players botters... I'm sorry but you cannot reffer to all of PL as being exploiters as it is simply impossible to keep a low profile that way...
BTW if you read the text you quoted you might noticed that I'm actually calling the exploiter an idiot in a very implicit way... probably too implicitly for you. Yes, this time I was rather direct because you deserved it. =P
Originally by: Midjutetur
We would like to hear an official response from a CCP employee that they are looking into the issue and trying to reproduce the exploit internally. We would like CCP to state that the use of such an exploit, if proven to be real, will result in the permanent ban of the character using it. We would like to do everything we can to prevent the use of this exploit from spreading to maintain the integrity of the game. CCP, please give us the acknowledgment that this issue didn't fall on deaf ears.
If you are also interested in exploit free Eve-online, support our efforts and let your voices be heard!
Wouldn't it be easier to simply ask monkey to explain his "tactic"? After all he and his fanclub all state he's not using exploits... C/D?
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De Chu
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Posted - 2010.04.21 17:06:00 -
[572]
We would like to hear an official response from a CCP employee that they are looking into the issue and trying to reproduce the exploit internally. We would like CCP to state that the use of such an exploit, if proven to be real, will result in the permanent ban of the character using it. We would like to do everything we can to prevent the use of this exploit from spreading to maintain the integrity of the game. CCP, please give us the acknowledgment that this issue didn't fall on deaf ears.
If you are also interested in exploit free Eve-online, support our efforts and let your voices be heard!
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KOPOHA MAPCA
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Posted - 2010.04.21 17:10:00 -
[573]
We would like to hear an official response from a CCP employee that they are looking into the issue and trying to reproduce the exploit internally. We would like CCP to state that the use of such an exploit, if proven to be real, will result in the permanent ban of the character using it. We would like to do everything we can to prevent the use of this exploit from spreading to maintain the integrity of the game. CCP, please give us the acknowledgment that this issue didn't fall on deaf ears.
If you are also interested in exploit free Eve-online, support our efforts and let your voices be heard!
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romek mablung
Caldari
OWS Research and Development
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Posted - 2010.04.21 17:12:00 -
[574]
Adding my 5CC (carebear cent,not in use in 0.0 anyway).Ban teh I-Win exploiters!
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XxAngelxX
Amarr
North Eastern Swat
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.04.21 17:13:00 -
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The best thing about this is monkey is really quite bad at pvp
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Samosa
Grey Shadows
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Posted - 2010.04.21 17:14:00 -
[576]
We would like to hear an official response from a CCP employee that they are looking into the issue and trying to reproduce the exploit internally. We would like CCP to state that the use of such an exploit, if proven to be real, will result in the permanent ban of the character using it. We would like to do everything we can to prevent the use of this exploit from spreading to maintain the integrity of the game. CCP, please give us the acknowledgment that this issue didn't fall on deaf ears.
If you are also interested in exploit free Eve-online, support our efforts and let your voices be heard!
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xo3e
The Deliberate Forces
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Posted - 2010.04.21 17:14:00 -
[577]
Quote:
Dude take a chill pill
major problem is not in "no-local" exploit, to be honest.
it is in fundamental EVE client-server algorithm.
Iv (and not only i) discovered (while exploring "no-local" issue) that, in example: someone with average skills at coding and tricks like code-injecting might EASILY warp to anyone in system at zero (even if prey is cloaked), or jump in stargate (or dock) from any position in system (even through 999au), and many other things that might ruin the game if it will be published.
These things are possible because CCP developers decided to not to load too much their server, and shifted some "unsafe" functionality to client.
And to fix that they have to totally rewrite network part of both client and server, and it will take too much time while many people already working on "win button" software for eve.
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DeadlyDoze
Zero Tolerance Corp
SOLAR FLEET
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Posted - 2010.04.21 17:16:00 -
[578]
Quote:
We would like to hear an official response from a CCP employee that they are looking into the issue and trying to reproduce the exploit internally. We would like CCP to state that the use of such an exploit, if proven to be real, will result in the permanent ban of the character using it. We would like to do everything we can to prevent the use of this exploit from spreading to maintain the integrity of the game. CCP, please give us the acknowledgment that this issue didn't fall on deaf ears.
If you are also interested in exploit free Eve-online, support our efforts and let your voices be heard!
/signed
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species2143
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Posted - 2010.04.21 17:18:00 -
[579]
Originally by: xo3e
Quote:
Dude take a chill pill
major problem is not in "no-local" exploit, to be honest.
it is in fundamental EVE client-server algorithm.
Iv (and not only i) discovered (while exploring "no-local" issue) that, in example: someone with average skills at coding and tricks like code-injecting might EASILY warp to anyone in system at zero (even if prey is cloaked), or jump in stargate (or dock) from any position in system (even through 999au), and many other things that might ruin the game if it will be published.
These things are possible because CCP developers decided to not to load too much their server, and shifted some "unsafe" functionality to client.
And to fix that they have to totally rewrite network part of both client and server, and it will take too much time while many people already working on "win button" software for eve.
I am sad to say this, but that's actually old news. Here's a link (I will not paste the text myself) to an angry botter/exploiter trying to blackmail CCP. The interesting parts you can read for yourself...
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woarus
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Posted - 2010.04.21 17:19:00 -
[580]
We would like to hear an official response from a CCP employee that they are looking into the issue and trying to reproduce the exploit internally. We would like CCP to state that the use of such an exploit, if proven to be real, will result in the permanent ban of the character using it. We would like to do everything we can to prevent the use of this exploit from spreading to maintain the integrity of the game. CCP, please give us the acknowledgment that this issue didn't fall on deaf ears.
If you are also interested in exploit free Eve-online, support our efforts and let your voices be heard!
receiving during 15 days from CCP answers: "We can not find conclusive evidence of any exploit being used from investigation of those sources of information that are available to us and regrettably this means that we have to decline your request for reimbursement" it's not so right
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MAKC MAXHO
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Posted - 2010.04.21 17:22:00 -
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Sorry for my English - all questions to the Google translator.
The bugs, such as described, can lead to death the population of 0.0. Security channels, bubbles on the gates, do not give us anything. User bug will go in and jump directly to your ship. And you, the victim, will die faster than help will appear. Look at the board Monkeysphere. http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=The+Monkeysphere&filter=kills&page=1. Dozens and dozens of expensive ships. Now imagine that this happened to you.
More. There was arranged some Russophobe meeting. A Monkey and his henchmen equate Russian players and bot status. And thus justify the use of bugs. As you can guess - it is not. Or with the same success we can call Pandemic Legion cheaters and users of bugs. Or all the English-speaking players. Is not it?
We want fair play
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Magenta Shine
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Posted - 2010.04.21 17:23:00 -
[582]
We would like to hear an official response from a CCP employee that they are looking into the issue and trying to reproduce the exploit internally. We would like CCP to state that the use of such an exploit, if proven to be real, will result in the permanent ban of the character using it. We would like to do everything we can to prevent the use of this exploit from spreading to maintain the integrity of the game. CCP, please give us the acknowledgment that this issue didn't fall on deaf ears.
If you are also interested in exploit free Eve-online, support our efforts and let your voices be heard!
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Razin
The xDEATHx Squadron
Legion of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2010.04.21 17:24:00 -
[583]
Originally by: DigitalCommunist
Having no-local and a weak and frustrating scan system is better than having local in the game by an order of magnitude.
Even with a weak scan system, everyone is on the same playing field and the game is way more fun. Local chat kills the human error aspect of the game and provides instantaneous and flawless intel, which makes it impossible to kill someone who does not want to be killed. OP is probably such a person, and I know that I've never been ganked once while doing PVE. It still amazes me how anyone can even get belt/mission kills.
Well, baiting works sometimes.
But yes, local needs to be dealt with. CCP Zulupark (Content Director/Associate Producer?) promised delayed local on SISI by the beginning of last year (2009!). It's about time.
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Lee Kin
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Posted - 2010.04.21 17:28:00 -
[584]
Originally by: XxAngelxX
The best thing about this is monkey is really quite bad at pvp
But really good at exploits? amirite?
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romek mablung
Caldari
OWS Research and Development
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Posted - 2010.04.21 17:30:00 -
[585]
Edited by: romek mablung on 21/04/2010 17:34:46
Edited by: romek mablung on 21/04/2010 17:31:15
This is yet another proof http://eve-files.com/dl/220831 ,i havent looked it myself yet btw,just quick linking it.edit-i looked into it,seems legit,its made like 30 min ago (announced gonna be made-made-recoded to mkv,and uploaded).If you that good in videofeed editing (proofdumping),welcome to Hollywood,anytime...(irony wtf!)
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Silent Wispa
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Posted - 2010.04.21 17:32:00 -
[586]
Originally by: Swarog Hjellstadt
Originally by: Silent Wispa
Let me get this straight...
In approximately 2 or 3 days a bunch of Russians scratching their heads as to why their Macro Program is failing to save them from a notorious pirate have managed to knock up working programs that produce the effect by blocking iTraffic to the Eve Chatserver as well as various python injections for warpins and fleet tricks on the assumption that this must be what he's doing?
Cripes, ban the Russians, they seem to be much more prolific hackers.
It's a stupid point of view - calling all russian players bots and hackers. If I will follow this, I can claim to ban all PL mambers only because some members of PL at least used bag (or even more?). By the way, I can suppose that all this "damage controll" from PL members in this tread is not only because they concerning about reputation of their corpmate...
You missed the point, perhaps because of the language barrier.
It took you 2-3 days to decypher the Eve-Online traffic protocols, 2-3 days to work out what byte does what. Identified and removed any encryption that may or may not encrypt the packets. You worked out what address to jump in with python injection, you mapped out the the function table for the Eve Client program to trigger whichever functions you desire...all in 2 or 3 days? 
I'm sorry, while its perfectly possible to do, it's quite the feat to achieve at the drop of a hat, but very doable for a group who are already doing a lot of the ground work because they've been writing Bots to achieve desired effects in the game.
This isn't me jumping on the 'lets call russians botters' bandwagon, it's just me being surprised about how casual you've become about it all. Seems rather strange that you're playing the white-knight card when infact you're actually no better.
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crusader1
Minmatar
Rage and Terror
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.04.21 17:36:00 -
[587]
We would like to hear an official response from a CCP employee that they are looking into the issue and trying to reproduce the exploit internally. We would like CCP to state that the use of such an exploit, if proven to be real, will result in the permanent ban of the character using it. We would like to do everything we can to prevent the use of this exploit from spreading to maintain the integrity of the game. CCP, please give us the acknowledgment that this issue didn't fall on deaf ears.
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Tippia
Reikoku
IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.04.21 17:37:00 -
[588]
People can stop repeating that tired paragraph. You have your answer already.
Now, how about banning all those macro users?
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“If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡…
you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.”
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Jeremey
Glittering Dust
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Posted - 2010.04.21 17:37:00 -
[589]
[petition] Remove title of Tournament Champion from Pandemic Legion
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romek mablung
Caldari
OWS Research and Development
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Posted - 2010.04.21 17:39:00 -
[590]
http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/fearozen/NoLocalExploit.rar Q.E.D.
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dumpertt
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Posted - 2010.04.21 17:39:00 -
[591]
Edited by: dumpertt on 21/04/2010 17:41:22
Originally by: Silent Wispa
You missed the point, perhaps because of the language barrier.
It took you 2-3 days to decypher the Eve-Online traffic protocols, 2-3 days to work out what byte does what. Identified and removed any encryption that may or may not encrypt the packets. You worked out what address to jump in with python injection, you mapped out the the function table for the Eve Client program to trigger whichever functions you desire...all in 2 or 3 days?
I'm sorry, while its perfectly possible to do, it's quite the feat to achieve at the drop of a hat, but very doable for a group who are already doing a lot of the ground work because they've been writing Bots to achieve desired effects in the game.
This isn't me jumping on the 'lets call russians botters' bandwagon, it's just me being surprised about how casual you've become about it all. Seems rather strange that you're playing the white-knight card when infact you're actually no better.
oh, i see. now the problem is - we reproduced monkey-space-magic TOO FAST.
Originally by: Tippia
People can stop repeating that tired paragraph. You have your answer already.
Now, how about banning all those macro users?
1. i don't see the ccp answer. am i blind?
2. signed. |
Ellatan Deruimte
Surreal corp
Stain Empire
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Posted - 2010.04.21 17:40:00 -
[592]
Edited by: Ellatan Deruimte on 21/04/2010 17:40:22
Would like to hear an explanation from all the skeptics about this video:
http://eve-files.com/dl/220831
This is not faked.
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Gorbon
H A V O C
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.04.21 17:44:00 -
[593]
Originally by: crusader1
We would like to hear an official response from a CCP employee that they are looking into the issue and trying to reproduce the exploit internally. We would like CCP to state that the use of such an exploit, if proven to be real, will result in the permanent ban of the character using it. We would like to do everything we can to prevent the use of this exploit from spreading to maintain the integrity of the game. CCP, please give us the acknowledgment that this issue didn't fall on deaf ears.
0/ signed
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Tippia
Reikoku
IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.04.21 17:44:00 -
[594]
Originally by: dumpertt
Originally by: Tippia
People can stop repeating that tired paragraph. You have your answer already.
Now, how about banning all those macro users?
1. i don't see the ccp answer. am i blind?
He's apparently been kicked out already – that's as clear an answer as you'll ever going to get, seeing as how they don't discuss bugs or exploits openly.
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“If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡…
you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.”
— Karath Piki |
lookatzebirdie
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Posted - 2010.04.21 17:44:00 -
[595]
Originally by: Midjutetur
You f00ls should also stop hating on russians just cause they rmt more money than you do. Since Chinese are gone it's pretty clear - Russia #1.
First off I dunno who is exploiting or not, but considering all the PL blather about "having evidence" and "burden of proof blah" I find it entirely hypocritical and borderline xenophobic that you guys are making such sweeping generalizations about russian players being "ze number one botters/RMTers". You can't possibly claim to have any reliable evidence of this, unless you are claim to have some sort of H4X'd surveillance on the entire Russian Eve community.
1. If you don't like ppl making unsubstantiated claims against your corpmate then perhaps you should stop making such claims urselves.
2. Stop making sweeping generalizations about players of a particular nationality, you are starting to sound like a bunch of slightly racist grandads.
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DigitalCommunist
November Corporation
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Posted - 2010.04.21 17:52:00 -
[596]
Originally by: Razin
Well, baiting works sometimes.
People are stupid and/or choose to take risks. The ones that don't aren't going to die, unless its some freak occurrence. More used to die when NPCs actually scrambled people, but thats not really down to any player skill - its just statistical probability that the person can't instantly warp to safespot and log/cloak the moment you enter system. Not very fun for either party.
Originally by: Razin
But yes, local needs to be dealt with. CCP Zulupark (Content Director/Associate Producer?) promised delayed local on SISI by the beginning of last year (2009!). It's about time.
I know what they promised, but it was likely said just to get us to shut up about it at the time. Dominion, Tyrannis, and probably the next two expansions are all going to pass without any regard for local nerf.
For years they've used various excuses and pre-conditions before they could even begin to remove local, and as far as I'm aware there are none left. The last mention of local chat was their desire to have some sort of uber cool submarine warfare type crap, but that it wasn't optimized enough to deploy on TQ. I don't think they're actively working on that, but you can bet that if they removed local tommorow, they'd have a lot more incentive to do something than they do right now.
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dumpertt
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Posted - 2010.04.21 17:53:00 -
[597]
Edited by: dumpertt on 21/04/2010 17:54:31
Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: dumpertt
Originally by: Tippia
People can stop repeating that tired paragraph. You have your answer already.
Now, how about banning all those macro users?
1. i don't see the ccp answer. am i blind?
He's apparently been kicked out already û that's as clear an answer as you'll ever going to get, seeing as how they don't discuss bugs or exploits openly.
not that bad news if it is true. but i don't care about monkey - i do care about those exploits.
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Orga Azmaat
Minmatar
Xenobytes
Stain Empire
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Posted - 2010.04.21 17:54:00 -
[598]
Originally by: crusader1
We would like to hear an official response from a CCP employee that they are looking into the issue and trying to reproduce the exploit internally. We would like CCP to state that the use of such an exploit, if proven to be real, will result in the permanent ban of the character using it. We would like to do everything we can to prevent the use of this exploit from spreading to maintain the integrity of the game. CCP, please give us the acknowledgment that this issue didn't fall on deaf ears.
/signed
fix the bug
ban exploiters
deal with racist in this topic
ban bot users
remove local chat
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Midjutetur
Blood Covenant
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.04.21 18:05:00 -
[599]
Originally by: lookatzebirdie
Edited by: lookatzebirdie on 21/04/2010 17:48:39
Originally by: Midjutetur
You f00ls should also stop hating on russians just cause they rmt more money than you do. Since Chinese are gone it's pretty clear - Russia #1.
First off I dunno who is exploiting or not, but considering all the PL blather about "having evidence" and "burden of proof blah" I find it entirely hypocritical and borderline xenophobic that you guys are making such sweeping generalizations about russian players being "ze number one botters/RMTers". You can't possibly claim to have any reliable evidence of this, unless you are claim to have some sort of H4X'd surveillance on the entire Russian Eve community.
1. If you don't like ppl making unsubstantiated claims against your corpmate (edit, turns out they weren't unsubstantiated *feigns surprise*) then perhaps you should stop making such claims urselves.
2. Stop making sweeping generalizations about players of a particular nationality, you are starting to sound like a bunch of slightly racist grandads.
Unholy rage
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Jeremey
Glittering Dust
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Posted - 2010.04.21 18:08:00 -
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New video from Ellatan about exploit.
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