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Kadesh Priestess
Scalding Chill
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Posted - 2010.04.22 12:55:00 -
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Originally by: romek mablung Actually,in MMORPG-s,its not uncommon for arguements over bugs/exploits to not be cleared via forums.More common are stealth fixes.....pick ANY MMORPG,i quess,and it happened
Again - it's been revealed long-long time ago, tons of petitions written, and no actions taken by CCP. Which actions you'd take in these conditions?
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar Vahrokh Consulting
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Posted - 2010.04.22 12:56:00 -
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Even a 1 minute is enormous advantage. Say, you have 0.0001% chance to catch bot in real conditions, with 1 minute advantage it'll be closer to 50%, with 5 minutes - almost 100%. Same for real player, but with slightly better chances as human reaction time is far from being just couple of milliseconds...
Let me reharse, despite some on this thread are WOOOOOOOOSH (see last replies to my posts).
You are NOT supposed to rely on local chat to flee like a chicken. You ARE supposed to use the scanner OR to have friends camping the system entrance(s) OR to fight, like you actually played a PvP game.
The exploit (if it is done, CCP will (not) tell) only uses the fact that awful players are using an old mechanic as "intel" to know when to logoffski and / or cloak.
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Can we finally get some official response? I don't believe that CCP isn't aware of this topic. Any response would be better than none at all.
CCP ARE aware of this topics, as the thread has been reported times and again (even by me).
Of course, if the title was changed to something less moronic than a generic "how is this possible?" and actually posted to the relevant forum (<> General) it might have drawn more attention and since the start.
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Certero
Hades and Charon funeral parlour
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Posted - 2010.04.22 12:57:00 -
[873]
Originally by: Zofran
Looks to me like you have some Foot in Mouth disease.
Outstanding imagination! You need to think rare, it's no good to you to try to understand whole thread at once...
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Huhuhuhuhuhuh
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Posted - 2010.04.22 12:59:00 -
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Originally by: Zofran
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We thought he is exploiter. We found exploit. Now its CCP's turn to take action. From time to time we have random smartasses in this thread posting some nonsense.Its normal. Calm down take a deep breath and ingest some prozak. Then there'll be some chance that you wont fall victim to your Froidian complexes again.
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Certero
Hades and Charon funeral parlour
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Posted - 2010.04.22 13:02:00 -
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Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha
You are NOT supposed to rely on local chat to flee like a chicken. You ARE supposed to use the scanner OR to have friends camping the system entrance(s) OR to fight, like you actually played a PvP game.
Who are you? CCP developer? PR-manager? If CCP officials will say something like this than it will be truth. But now local chat is a part of the ingame-mechanic with the only exeption in WH. So, no need to be smarter than CCP.
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Kadesh Priestess
Scalding Chill
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Posted - 2010.04.22 13:03:00 -
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Edited by: Kadesh Priestess on 22/04/2010 13:06:42
Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha You are NOT supposed to rely on local chat to flee like a chicken.
Local chat is used everywhere as early warning system. As it warns about potential threat/prey earlier than others (like direct scanner) - it's used by everyone. Obviously, isn't it?
Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha You ARE supposed to use the scanner OR to have friends camping the system entrance(s) OR to fight, like you actually played a PvP game.
It will be this way once CCP removes local communication channel (if they decide to do this at all). Don't tell us what we're supposed to do when we're doing it within EULA terms.
Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha The exploit (if it is done, CCP will (not) tell) only uses the fact that awful players are using an old mechanic as "intel" to know when to logoffski and / or cloak.
According to my data, invisibility in local chat may be just one of the evils used by these PL guys.
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Xtover
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.04.22 13:06:00 -
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Originally by: Huhuhuhuhuhuh
Originally by: Zofran
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We thought he is exploiter. We found exploit. Now its CCP's turn to take action. From time to time we have random smartasses in this thread posting some nonsense.Its normal. Calm down take a deep breath and ingest some prozak. Then there'll be some chance that you wont fall victim to your Froidian complexes again.
It still irks me just how quickly it went from "possible exploit" to "we can duplicate it." How long was it, less than a day, before someone was able to do the exact same thing?
What else can this amazing team of "bughunters" from the ever-ru site do with the eve client in 24 hours?
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Kadesh Priestess
Scalding Chill
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Posted - 2010.04.22 13:10:00 -
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Originally by: Xtover It still irks me just how quickly it went from "possible exploit" to "we can duplicate it." How long was it, less than a day, before someone was able to do the exact same thing?
What else can this amazing team of "bughunters" from the ever-ru site do with the eve client in 24 hours?
When search criteria are narrowed and tens of talented guys invest their time into duplicating of that bug - it shouldn't take much time even theoretically. Again, this sploit has been known year or more, and hot thread regarding this problem has been created on 17th of April - so essentially it took more than a day to reproduce it.
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ALERT UA
Caldari Spiral out. Keep going. Blind Octopus
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Posted - 2010.04.22 13:11:00 -
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If I were PL CEO I'd kick cheaters and report CCP about them and BEG for forgiveness. Personally I relay on wisdom of CCP in solving this problem. If CCP staff needs short conclusion of russian eve forums discussions about this situation, I can provide translation as from my neutral Ukrainian side.
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Certero
Hades and Charon funeral parlour
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Posted - 2010.04.22 13:12:00 -
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Originally by: Xtover
What else can this amazing team of "bughunters" from the ever-ru site do with the eve client in 24 hours?
Anything you want! There are number of skilled MMO and real-time communication protocols developers. Sources partialy available for a long time. Monkey just croosed the line. Good brains, experience in coding and sources can make miracles!
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romek mablung
Caldari OWS Research and Development
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Posted - 2010.04.22 13:13:00 -
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Edited by: romek mablung on 22/04/2010 13:17:28 Edited by: romek mablung on 22/04/2010 13:16:23 He/they (Monkeysphere and Co) supposedly also use some warp to anybody/warp to cloaked hack.As far,i knew from eve-ru forums:hasn't been duplicated yet.What in long run is alot worse hack,then chat channel one! By educated programmers responses (how in hell would i knew,for me its gibberish anyway,just quessing.Mine expertises lie in totally different areas) form eve-ru,those hacks roots still lies in same place,as chat channel ones-client (Abuser affair from years ago plus evolved in passed time python ect tools).
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LeviUK
Black Omega Security Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.04.22 13:19:00 -
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Originally by: ALERT UA If I were PL CEO I'd kick cheaters and report CCP about them and BEG for forgiveness. Personally I relay on wisdom of CCP in solving this problem. If CCP staff needs short conclusion of russian eve forums discussions about this situation, I can provide translation as from my neutral Ukrainian side.
Its a good thing you arnt our leadership else we'd never get our projected completed on time and paid for, black or white they are all for the enrichments of our pockets and enjoyment of the game. But you could be our leader if this was like magic happy unicorn world where we didnt have nice toys and services.
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Razin
The xDEATHx Squadron Legion of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2010.04.22 13:20:00 -
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Originally by: Xtover
It still irks me just how quickly it went from "possible exploit" to "we can duplicate it." How long was it, less than a day, before someone was able to do the exact same thing?
Because it took you much longer? Or because you couldn't do it if your life depended on it? Exactly how do you judge how long something like this should take? ...
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Zelda Wei
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Posted - 2010.04.22 13:23:00 -
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Originally by: debbie harrio
Originally by: Missy Miner85 I can agree that there probably is a way to hide yourself but i have yet to see anything that would prove Monkey has used something like that?
There is far too much smoke floating around for there not to be a fire......
The source of that smoke.
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Zofran
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Posted - 2010.04.22 13:24:00 -
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Originally by: Certero
Originally by: Xtover
What else can this amazing team of "bughunters" from the ever-ru site do with the eve client in 24 hours?
Anything you want! There are number of skilled MMO and real-time communication protocols developers. Sources partialy available for a long time. Monkey just croosed the line. Good brains, experience in coding and sources can make miracles!
Sure thing Robin Hood~~ Those macros were just showing how broken the local mechanic was amirite?
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Lady Spank
Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta
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Posted - 2010.04.22 13:26:00 -
[886]
Originally by: Xtover What else can this amazing team of "bughunters" from the ever-ru site do with the eve client in 24 hours?
Run macro ravens. ~_~
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar Vahrokh Consulting
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Posted - 2010.04.22 13:28:00 -
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Who are you? CCP developer? PR-manager? If CCP officials will say something like this than it will be truth
One who is appropriately using the tools the game provides, instead of leveraging and putting all his eggs in some easily exploited basket?
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Local chat is used everywhere as early warning system. As it warns about potential threat/prey earlier than others (like direct scanner) - it's used by everyone. Obviously, isn't it?
Maybe in the world of solo, corp-less ratters in desolate 0.0 bottom ends.
Try that in any decently trafficked place, where there's always someone in local, even in mission hubs. Then you start using the often present "intel chats" that warn of pirate sightseeing, of always having the directional scanner open and working and so on.
Again, while the exploit is despisable, a lot of this thread looks like the regular hi sec noob whining about how the ebil pirate suicided him in "HI SEC ITS MEANT TO BE SAFE", "just" because he was carrying 1B in a badger. And ofc that noob won't learn nor adapt.
It's why so many are less than emphatic with the posts in this thread.
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Sources partialy available for a long time. Monkey just croosed the line.
So, it was convenient to have those sources (for what? ) but only given to CCP *now* and demand response NAO? Because some Monkey breaks your eggs? That's a noble way to do affairs!
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Kadesh Priestess
Scalding Chill
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Posted - 2010.04.22 13:28:00 -
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Edited by: Kadesh Priestess on 22/04/2010 13:34:26
Originally by: Zofran Those macros were just showing how broken the local mechanic was amirite?
Yea, i even do agree with you here
Originally by: Lady Spank Run macro ravens.
You can run them too dude. I can do the same too. Accusation without a proof is a bad thing, mkay?
Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha Maybe in the world of solo, corp-less ratters in desolate 0.0 bottom ends.
Sure, they never rat in a systems with intense neutral/hostile traffic.
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romek mablung
Caldari OWS Research and Development
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Posted - 2010.04.22 13:29:00 -
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Edited by: romek mablung on 22/04/2010 13:29:02 Friggin anybody can run those,i suppose.When one googles a little....there might be companies selling end-user ready botting programs for ANY major mmorpg out there...
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Certero
Hades and Charon funeral parlour
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Posted - 2010.04.22 13:31:00 -
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Originally by: Zofran
Sure thing Robin Hood~~
It's funny! Monkey posted on eve-ru that he is Robin Hood. So you made a mistake!
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Lady Spank
Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta
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Posted - 2010.04.22 13:36:00 -
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Originally by: Kadesh Priestess
Originally by: Lady Spank Run macro ravens.
You can run them too dude. I can do the same too. Accusation without a proof is a bad thing, mkay?
I can't fly battleships. ~_~
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Kadesh Priestess
Scalding Chill
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Posted - 2010.04.22 13:39:00 -
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Originally by: Lady Spank
Originally by: Kadesh Priestess
Originally by: Lady Spank Run macro ravens.
You can run them too dude. I can do the same too. Accusation without a proof is a bad thing, mkay?
I can't fly battleships.
I can't fly any combat class bigger than a frigate too, but earn my living doing lvl 4 and lvl 5 missions. Thus, it's possible to bot'o'rat in dozens of other ships, even in a viator with assisted pack of fighters.
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Certero
Hades and Charon funeral parlour
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Posted - 2010.04.22 13:40:00 -
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Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha
So, it was convenient to have those sources (for what? ) but only given to CCP *now* and demand response NAO?
Do you can read and understan what you read? Sources were published by Abuser in 2008. Monkey killed bots. And eve-ru community just played eve and didn't know Monkey and were not interested in sources.
But than Monkey killed number of our pilots and ccp said that server logs are fine (but our pilots thought there were exploit used), we decided to reproduce bug that Monkey used (as we thought). And we did it! We can't proof that Monkey used it, but we can ask ccp to fix it.
PS: and even more - sources were released on torrents not by russians! Maybe you need to search cheaters near you?
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar Vahrokh Consulting
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Posted - 2010.04.22 13:40:00 -
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Edited by: Vaerah Vahrokha on 22/04/2010 13:46:41 Edited by: Vaerah Vahrokha on 22/04/2010 13:43:33 Ok now let's quit talking like false b!tches.
I make a living on Win 32 programming and on TCP / IP protocols.
Finding out the issue, knowing what to do with the proper packets, what and where to inject fake lag / packet drop or redirect the internal chat client to a fake / empty chat slot and also how to inject into the client executable AND about how to deal with the indeed soggy pseudointerpreded UI is not an impossible task.
But you don't take anyone by the ass, you did not discover and implement all of this stuff in 24 hours, expecially as "innocent programmer side curiosity".
So, WTF were you doing with all of this reverse engineered knowledge? WTF were your real and original intentions to do with the means to tamper with the game TCP IP communication and even executable image innards?
"Talented guys"? Oh, yes.
But now, tell it all, WHY did you have all of this pregressed stuff? WHY "Sources partialy available for a long time."
You know what? Monkeywhatever looks like a "rebel" of a rotten system including him and those posting here. A system that functioned only until someone stepped outside of the untold safe limits and started pushing the edges.
So, who here got the balls to say all the truth?
Or do you believe we are all so cretins to believe the "exploit replicated in a day" stories and whatsnot?
Also, I find it peculiar how even programmers proficient in TCP / IP (edit: those who play EvE like a game and not a remote ISK pinhata) did not bother seeking for those "known" malware sources but those people here magically found them out in an instant and immediately knew how to use them at full. - Auditing & consulting
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Ellatan Deruimte
Surreal corp Stain Empire
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Posted - 2010.04.22 13:45:00 -
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You are either a simpleton or a terrible troll. Expect a new video to be posted in 3 hours or so.
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Certero
Hades and Charon funeral parlour
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Posted - 2010.04.22 13:46:00 -
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Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha
WHY "Sources partialy available for a long time."
And WHY??? I need to ask you? It's not russian who made sources available and even asked ccp to fix holes in it... So, why sources available? Why english-speaking guys put it on torrents? Why Abuser asked ccp to fix holes? WHY??? Why there are a lot of sites and forums with english comments to sources and macro-bots and only 5 people from eve-ru know english "not-so-bad" to post here? WHY?
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Seika Hitori
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Posted - 2010.04.22 13:46:00 -
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Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha
Or do you believe we are all so cretins to believe the "exploit replicated in a day" stories and whatsnot?
Yes, we do. You are all cretins and worm's-eye view/
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Kadesh Priestess
Scalding Chill
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Posted - 2010.04.22 13:47:00 -
[898]
Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha You know what? Monkeywhatever looks like a "rebel" of a rotten system including him and those posting here. A system that functioned only until someone stepped outside of the untold safe limits and started pushing the edges.
This:
Originally by: Ellatan Deruimte If you seriously think that you are hurting macro ratters by killing their Ravens, then you are really clueless. They make up the cost of that Raven within a couple of hours. The only thing that will hurt macro ratters is ban from CCP, so they have to buy a new character or train a new one.
Monkeysphere killed a number of regular players, who were not botting or doing anything of this sort. He killed them using an exploit, so we are not playing on a level ground. You can call me jealous, I too want to catch Golems, Paladins without showing up in local. Seems unfair to me that he does it, and I can't do it.
The only real way to get rid of the bot is to petition it. That's what i'm doing with almost each and every ratting bot i encounter in 0.0; if you think that killing them is any better - then you're wrong.
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Ivana Drake
Caldari Omerta Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.04.22 13:50:00 -
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Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha
Ok now let's quit talking like false b!tches.
I make a living on Win 32 programming and on TCP / IP protocols.
Finding out the issue, knowing what to do with the proper packets, what and where to inject fake lag / packet drop or redirect the internal chat client to a fake / empty chat slot and also how to inject into the client executable AND about how to deal with the indeed soggy pseudointerpreded UI is not an impossible task.
But you don't take anyone by the ass, you did not discover and implement all of this stuff in 24 hours, expecially as "innocent programmer side curiosity".
So, WTF were you doing with all of this reverse engineered knowledge? WTF were your real and original intentions to do with the means to tamper with the game TCP IP communication and even executable image innards?
"Talented guys"? Oh, yes.
TL;DR: NO U
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romek mablung
Caldari OWS Research and Development
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Posted - 2010.04.22 13:51:00 -
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Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha Edited by: Vaerah Vahrokha on 22/04/2010 13:43:33 Ok now let's quit talking like false b!tches.
I make a living on Win 32 programming and on TCP / IP protocols.
Finding out the issue, knowing what to do with the proper packets, what and where to inject fake lag / packet drop or redirect the internal chat client to a fake / empty chat slot and also how to inject into the client executable AND about how to deal with the indeed soggy pseudointerpreded UI is not an impossible task.
But you don't take anyone by the ass, you did not discover and implement all of this stuff in 24 hours, expecially as "innocent programmer side curiosity".
So, WTF were you doing with all of this reverse engineered knowledge? WTF were your real and original intentions to do with the means to tamper with the game TCP IP communication and even executable image innards?
"Talented guys"? Oh, yes.
But now, tell it all, WHY did you have all of this pregressed stuff? WHY "Sources partialy available for a long time."
You know what? Monkeywhatever looks like a "rebel" of a rotten system including him and those posting here. A system that functioned only until someone stepped outside of the untold safe limits and started pushing the edges.
So, who here got the balls to say all the truth?
Or do you believe we are all so cretins to believe the "exploit replicated in a day" stories and whatsnot?
Also, I find it peculiar how even programmers proficient in TCP / IP did not bother seeking for those "known" malware sources but those people here magically found them out in an instant and immediately knew how to use them at full.
I have used ALL Windows versions there were,starting 95,played ALL big pcgames-released starting 2000,used shloads of tools/programs starting year 2000 and continuing.NEVER bought any.Did i crack all that turd myself?No!No need,as answers are out there,ready to be used...nocd-nodvd-cracks-keygens-7loaders-iso tools-safedisk emulators-reg patches-list goes on and on.And im only damn WELDER!rofl
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