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Xtover Amarr	Posted - 2010.04.22 13:52:00 - [901] Edited by: Xtover on 22/04/2010 13:55:07 Originally by: Razin Originally by: Xtover It still irks me just how quickly it went from "possible exploit" to "we can duplicate it." How long was it, less than a day, before someone was able to do the exact same thing? Because it took you much longer? Or because you couldn't do it if your life depended on it? Exactly how do you judge how long something like this should take? Neither, because of the ease in which it was done. Makes you wonder, when you think you have TS spies, maybe they're in your fleet chat, unseen. When you see that red using your JB different things like that... Apparently if any of these "not macro users" wanted, they could anipulate the client to do many things... example: I'm at a bank, and someone gets trapped in a vault. The dude next to me who was waiting on line runs over and in 10 seconds cracks open the safe. I ask him, "do you work for the company that makes safes?" and he says, "nah I'm just talented. Don't worry I never crack open safes"
Huhuhuhuhuhuh	Posted - 2010.04.22 13:52:00 - [902] Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha Edited by: Vaerah Vahrokha on 22/04/2010 13:46:41 Edited by: Vaerah Vahrokha on 22/04/2010 13:43:33 Ok now let's quit talking like false b!tches. I make a living on Win 32 programming and on TCP / IP protocols. Finding out the issue, knowing what to do with the proper packets, what and where to inject fake lag / packet drop or redirect the internal chat client to a fake / empty chat slot and also how to inject into the client executable AND about how to deal with the indeed soggy pseudointerpreded UI is not an impossible task. But you don't take anyone by the ass, you did not discover and implement all of this stuff in 24 hours, expecially as "innocent programmer side curiosity". Gosh. I knew there are a lot of incompetent programmers but you are breaking a new record. Quote: Also, I find it peculiar how even programmers proficient in TCP / IP (edit: those who play EvE like a game and not a remote ISK pinhata) did not bother seeking for those "known" malware sources but those people here magically found them out in an instant and immediately knew how to use them at full. so if you are programming guru, can you answer a short question. Who is fyodor and what is he is famous for ?
Lady Spank Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta	Posted - 2010.04.22 13:54:00 - [903] Originally by: Kadesh Priestess Originally by: Lady Spank Originally by: Kadesh Priestess Originally by: Lady Spank Run macro ravens. You can run them too dude. I can do the same too. Accusation without a proof is a bad thing, mkay? I can't fly battleships. I can't fly any combat class bigger than a frigate too, but earn my living doing lvl 4 and lvl 5 missions. Thus, it's possible to bot'o'rat in dozens of other ships, even in a viator with assisted pack of fighters. If I had the stomach for missions, that sounds like a laugh. ~_~
Waxau Total Mayhem. Cry Havoc.	Posted - 2010.04.22 13:56:00 - [904] Originally by: Huhuhuhuhuhuh so if you are programming guru, can you answer a short question. Who is fyodor and what is he is famous for ? Is he one of those fellas like in Die Hard 4 who lives in the basement? Oh. sOrry. Command Centre. Oh, how i chuckle at my humour
Certero Hades and Charon funeral parlour	Posted - 2010.04.22 13:56:00 - [905] Originally by: Huhuhuhuhuhuh I knew there are a lot of incompetent programmers but you are breaking a new record. +100!!!
Tul Kezad Gallente	Posted - 2010.04.22 13:58:00 - [906] Originally by: Huhuhuhuhuhuh Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha Edited by: Vaerah Vahrokha on 22/04/2010 13:46:41 Edited by: Vaerah Vahrokha on 22/04/2010 13:43:33 Ok now let's quit talking like false b!tches. I make a living on Win 32 programming and on TCP / IP protocols. Finding out the issue, knowing what to do with the proper packets, what and where to inject fake lag / packet drop or redirect the internal chat client to a fake / empty chat slot and also how to inject into the client executable AND about how to deal with the indeed soggy pseudointerpreded UI is not an impossible task. But you don't take anyone by the ass, you did not discover and implement all of this stuff in 24 hours, expecially as "innocent programmer side curiosity". Gosh. I knew there are a lot of incompetent programmers but you are breaking a new record. Quote: Also, I find it peculiar how even programmers proficient in TCP / IP (edit: those who play EvE like a game and not a remote ISK pinhata) did not bother seeking for those "known" malware sources but those people here magically found them out in an instant and immediately knew how to use them at full. so if you are programming guru, can you answer a short question. Who is fyodor and what is he is famous for ? nmap? btw posting in epic thread
Kadesh Priestess Scalding Chill	Posted - 2010.04.22 13:59:00 - [907] Originally by: Lady Spank If I had the stomach for missions, that sounds like a laugh. Come on, that's real. Ratting in 0.0 in stealth bomber or HAC is real thing too, if you ever left empire space you've should seen lot of those.
MatrixSkye Mk2 Minmatar	Posted - 2010.04.22 14:01:00 - [908] Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha You are NOT supposed to rely on local chat to flee like a chicken. You ARE supposed to use the scanner OR to have friends camping the system entrance(s) OR to fight, like you actually played a PvP game. Who the ** are you to tell me I'm not supposed to use local? Seriously, stop spouting ** like you're in charge, bro. If you don't like local PETITION TO HAVE IT REMOVED. STOP excusing the use of exploits because you think we shouldn't be using local. Grief a PVP'er. Run a mission today!
Huhuhuhuhuhuh	Posted - 2010.04.22 14:03:00 - [909] Originally by: Tul Kezad nmap? btw posting in epic thread Why ! Now i have to come up with different question . Ah well, win32 programmer, tell me whats so wrong with a++ + ++a
Vaerah Vahrokha Minmatar Vahrokh Consulting	Posted - 2010.04.22 14:04:00 - [910] Quote: Gosh. I knew there are a lot of incompetent programmers but you are breaking a new record. Maybe, I manage to live on that though nor I am going to prove how I work to some shady internet anonymous. What I know for sure is that I'd not be touched with the idea to forge and hack a MMO client to force a developer immediate response, while the "talented programmers" did not have any regret or fair play principle stopping them for a second. - Auditing & consulting When looking for investors, please read http://tinyurl.com/n5ys4h + http://tinyurl.com/lrg4oz
Xtover Amarr	Posted - 2010.04.22 14:06:00 - [911] Edited by: Xtover on 22/04/2010 14:06:27 Originally by: Huhuhuhuhuhuh Originally by: Tul Kezad nmap? btw posting in epic thread Why ! Now i have to come up with different question . Ah well, win32 programmer, tell me whats so wrong with a++ + ++a you two need to go wave your nerd e-peens somewhere else. you're both being annoying. edit: damn even that's censored?
Lady Spank Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta	Posted - 2010.04.22 14:06:00 - [912] Originally by: Kadesh Priestess Originally by: Lady Spank If I had the stomach for missions, that sounds like a laugh. Come on, that's real. Ratting in 0.0 in stealth bomber or HAC is real thing too, if you ever left empire space you've should seen lot of those. I mean running missions in a viator. I commented very early on in this thread that I'm surprised at the amount of people that use battleships to rat in 0.0 as they seem to be death traps to me. I've even ratted 0.0 faction cruisers in a Tristan although I don't actually recommend it. I do leave empire m8. How can you be so mean? :( ~_~
Certero Hades and Charon funeral parlour	Posted - 2010.04.22 14:07:00 - [913] Originally by: Xtover you're both being annoying. same as you mate.
Xtover Amarr	Posted - 2010.04.22 14:13:00 - [914] Originally by: Certero Originally by: Xtover you're both being annoying. same as you mate. why don't you go make a macro about it?
Dabo Girl	Posted - 2010.04.22 14:16:00 - [915] Originally by: karttoon Originally by: Dabo Girl Alright fellas. I am a PL member, but I'd rather not disclose exactly who I am at this point. PL has developed an internal application known as "The Sphere", which is what MS has been using to 'test' killing botters. I don't have access to the sub-forums to which they are developing this stuff, but someone who did sent me a post that karttoon made the other day with some research on the futher development of the application. I am completely against the creation of eve exploits, so I've decided to release this for you guys to use to help put a stop to this bull**. Originally by:** karttoon I've found a few ways to improve The Sphere app, but there is still a ton of investigation/work to be done. Injecting the raw IRCD command to join the local channel seems to work 100% of the time using the #local.<system name> channel-set. It appears that issue the app seemed to be running into was that the eve IRCD is developed to be case sensitive for local channels. I'm working on a flat file database list that contains all of the correct cases as placed in the IRCD. If the injection joined the incorrect local channel (which didn't really exist), then the client would disconnect on aggression, causing you to float in space with your **** in your hand. It seems that Monkeys connection issues related to some of his comedy losses were related to the fact he actually didn't join local prior to aggressing on the target. If I can get someone in a covops to roam around and capture the raw packet logs I'll run it through the perl script I wrote to parse the correct system names. At a minimum, we need to do this for all of the eastern and southern systems. Problem two I looked at is where we are only obtaining a 50% success rate in actually dropping the join channel, variable based on who is testing this. This seems to be due to the fact that the virtual NIC drivers that monkey developed have issued the drop packet command after the packet has already been sent to the server. This is variable by CPU load of the client, network utilization, ping times, and luck. There is no easy way to solve this without completely lagging out the client with a full custom in-line packet inspector. There are some commercial applications that have this functionality for other purposes, and are extremely efficient. Software wise, NOD32 has both built in memory and packet inspection technologies that I think I can tap into to drop entering local. I don't think it will be easy to specify the system, but at a minimum I'm sure I can get it to not join 'any' local channels, where you'd then have to issue the manual injection technique for each system (annoying, but not a huge deal unless you plan to burn around quickly). The second option is to use hardware between your computer and the server, which isn't very practical for anyone. Managing encryption keys for the sessions is also a ton of effort to program. McAfee intrushield hardware (costly unless you get a used unsupported device), or potentially modified snort may be able to do this for us. I'd rather look into this as a last resort since this would either require a virtual machine to be running, adding lag, or additional hardware. Some irrelevant random points: Toying around I've also discovered ways to join multiple local channels and speak in them remotely, but you randomly get disconnected from the server when doing this. I think it has something to do with CCP's desynch detection code. Private group channels appear to use the +k IRC setting, which means you can't snoop on random channels unless you actually know the channel password. How they've implemented the 'allow' or 'deny' list for the channel is still unknown to me at this point. If I can figure it out, perhaps I can bypass the key requirement with further injections. I'm a bit busy for the next few days doing other things, but I'll keep you guys posted. Obvious troll. Right. Nice try bud.
Certero Hades and Charon funeral parlour	Posted - 2010.04.22 14:16:00 - [916] Edited by: Certero on 22/04/2010 14:16:42 Originally by: Xtover Originally by: Certero Originally by: Xtover you're both being annoying. same as you mate. why don't you go make a macro about it? i hate macros. playing fo fun. i have enough coding at work to code at home too.
Dabo Girl	Posted - 2010.04.22 14:17:00 - [917] Listen, I don't agree with macro botters being allowed to do what they do, but creating crap like the sphere as a counter is going to ruin eve. Shamis allowing you and the other random EO Goons into PL was probably the worst decision he has ever made. Goons were known for exploiting game mechanics, and you personally were known for all your concord hacks when you were doing all that jihad bull**** in empire. Now you continue to work on this crap in PL. People like you are the cancer of eve, and you're going to ruin our alliance like you did GoonSwarm. Get out!
Rawr Cristina Caldari Omerta Syndicate	Posted - 2010.04.22 14:17:00 - [918] Originally by: Lady Spank Originally by: Kadesh Priestess Originally by: Lady Spank If I had the stomach for missions, that sounds like a laugh. Come on, that's real. Ratting in 0.0 in stealth bomber or HAC is real thing too, if you ever left empire space you've should seen lot of those. I mean running missions in a viator. I commented very early on in this thread that I'm surprised at the amount of people that use battleships to rat in 0.0 as they seem to be death traps to me. yeah, cruise ravens are really rather bad actually, good for macros as they take zero effort to fly but a good DPS HAC (Zealot,Sacrilege especially) seem way better to me >.> Only time I tried ratting with a Raven it was a CNR with 7 Siege IIs, 3 BCS, MWD, 2 target painters, webber and Rage Torps. No real tank but killed triple BS spawns so fast you didn't need one - Malyutka (The Virus) -
Vaerah Vahrokha Minmatar Vahrokh Consulting	Posted - 2010.04.22 14:20:00 - [919] Quote: That's ok i know many indian guys who earn living coding without slightest idea of what they are doing. Just dont jump to conclusions if you encounter someone much better than you are :P - I did not create a whine thread - I did not tamper a game client and break the EULA to force it in the developers skins to potentially slow down the work in the expansion and only deal with your pretend immediate WANTS. - I did not create a whine thread with a wrong title - I did not create such a thread in the wrong forum for it. - I did not even copy paste some C++ FAQ to show I know to use Google. - Heck, I am so bad I even have the guts to post with my main. I admit my inferiority. Quote: I believe this comes from incompetence. Its easier to stand moral high ground, like those with weak manhood preach celibate :) Of couse, moral = weak. I know that this way to talk entices wider and wider empathy with your holy cause. - Auditing & consulting When looking for investors, please read http://tinyurl.com/n5ys4h + http://tinyurl.com/lrg4oz
Ranka Mei Caldari	Posted - 2010.04.22 14:22:00 - [920] Personally, I don't give a (non-npc) rat's ass what the Russians do... at least not in this thread. Because here it only serves to derail the monkey-business story. Monkeyman can apparently stay out of local, and, worse, magically transport (not warp!) himself near any target. That's a game-breaking tactic and, if CCP can ever be moved to investigate, is something he should be banned for, along with all his Pandemic Legion co-conspirators who so openly brag about their hacking scripts and forum. Perhaps the most shocking thing I learnt in this thread, though, is that CCP is very, very lazy. One can apparently talk about exploits one has developed and used, about client-side manipulation of packet traffic, script-injecting, etc., without CCP so much as blinking. I know they're always more about the the bottom-line (making money) than fair gameplay, but I think they reached an all-time low in this thread. Welcome to the deep-end; it's always deeper than you think. -- Gorgeous, delicious, deculture!
Ded MATAP	Posted - 2010.04.22 14:25:00 - [921] Edited by: Ded MATAP on 22/04/2010 14:25:11 Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha - I did not create a whine thread - I did not tamper a game client and break the EULA to force it in the developers skins to potentially slow down the work in the expansion and only deal with your pretend immediate WANTS. - I did not create a whine thread with a wrong title - I did not create such a thread in the wrong forum for it. - I did not even copy paste some C++ FAQ to show I know to use Google. - Heck, I am so bad I even have the guts to post with my main. I admit my inferiority. Write this one hundret times on a board.
dumpertt	Posted - 2010.04.22 14:28:00 - [922] Edited by: dumpertt on 22/04/2010 14:31:53 Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha I make a living on Win 32 programming and on TCP / IP protocols. IF it's true, you should be starving, bro. have you EVER heard about common used web debugging tools like fiddler or charlies? it will not help you to exploit eve, but surely will help you to earn 20$ to pay your account. you are the best evidence that Darwin was wrong - monkeys didn't evolve at all.
Lady Spank Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta	Posted - 2010.04.22 14:30:00 - [923] Originally by: dumpertt debagging Darwin was wrong ~_~
Xtover Amarr	Posted - 2010.04.22 14:33:00 - [924] Originally by: Ranka Mei Perhaps the most shocking thing I learnt in this thread, though, is that CCP is very, very lazy. One can apparently talk about exploits one has developed and used, about client-side manipulation of packet traffic, script-injecting, etc., without CCP so much as blinking. I know they're always more about the the bottom-line (making money) than fair gameplay, but I think they reached an all-time low in this thread. Welcome to the deep-end; it's always deeper than you think. You have to be an idiot to think this is not a MAJOR issue over at CCP right now. Do you know why this thread is still open, and why no dev has posted in it? Because they don't want to try to sweep it under like the T20 incident. Stop criticizing what they are doing by allowing discussion of this, regardless of why they are doing it.
Huhuhuhuhuhuh	Posted - 2010.04.22 14:34:00 - [925] Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha - I did not create a whine thread - I did not create a whine thread with a wrong title - I did not create such a thread in the wrong forum for it. still you whine in it ~ dont like it,dont write. Quote: - I did not tamper a game client and break the EULA to force it in the developers skins to potentially slow down the work in the expansion and only deal with your pretend immediate WANTS. Bug is bug, test server is test server. Bugs should be fixed. That's all. Quote: - I did not even copy paste some C++ FAQ to show I know to use Google. No google request was used to formulate my question. But if you dont like googlable problems, enjoy another one forum warrior :) So. C++ faq or not, 100mb ethernet, 2 stations hot/standby. we are doing replication from hot to standby using our fancy protocol. The protocol should guarantee order of delivery, should not loose packets, etc. Question is what characteristics regarding data packet size/encoding/compressing should we use to minimize latency and maximize throughput. Kinda real-world problem for tcp/ip programmer i guess. Quote: - Heck, I am so bad I even have the guts to post with my main. If you only knew how many brainless monkeys write to this alt asking for exploit details. Sorry i am not going to read all this ** on my main. Quote: I admit my inferiority. finally that's the step in right direction. Quote:** I know that this way to talk entices wider and wider empathy with your holy cause. I dont care about empathy, i care to have this bug fixed.
dumpertt	Posted - 2010.04.22 14:38:00 - [926] Originally by: Lady Spank Originally by: dumpertt debagging Darwin was wrong oh, thx for spellchecking. i'm russian, u know.
Admiral RAGE	Posted - 2010.04.22 14:38:00 - [927] Edited by: Admiral RAGE on 22/04/2010 14:38:19 i'm going to be so so so so happy when ccp says "bug fixed" and hundreds more russian macroers continue to die to spherical monkey
dumpertt	Posted - 2010.04.22 14:43:00 - [928] Originally by: Admiral RAGE Edited by: Admiral RAGE on 22/04/2010 14:38:19 i'm going to be so so so so happy when ccp says "bug fixed" and hundreds more russian macroers continue to die to spherical monkey know what... you guys are... not that smart as you think. you don't even understand - this bug can be (and will be - now it's just a matter of time) used by macroers to stay invisible, do you?
BOEHKOP	Posted - 2010.04.22 14:44:00 - [929] Originally by: Lady Spank Originally by: dumpertt debagging Darwin was wrong No, he was right. Some primates just need more generations to develop some abilities (sense of humor in written text, as example). And remember, GOD created all us equal.
Caine Dreamwalker Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2010.04.22 14:45:00 - [930] Originally by: Admiral RAGE Edited by: Admiral RAGE on 22/04/2010 14:38:19 i'm going to be so so so so happy when ccp says "bug fixed" and hundreds more russian macroers continue to die to spherical monkey I'm so so so so happy to tell you that monkey has no kills since 18th April

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