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HarrietMiers
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2010.04.26 23:19:00 -
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Originally by: Dirk Culliford Hi Guys, what's going on in this thread?
Lots of idiots whining.
Some p. good trolling by PL.
The usual.
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar Vahrokh Consulting
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Posted - 2010.04.26 23:54:00 -
[1772]
Edited by: Vaerah Vahrokha on 26/04/2010 23:55:28
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Actually, there's a good reason for that. Macro-mining is automating an otherwise in-bounds activity. It's illegal, because you're expressly forbidden to tamper with the EVE client and/or its communication with the server, but you're still operating within the existing 'physics' of the game
I know there are bots that don't intrude in the client (the so called "OCR" kind) but I am pretty sure that to achieve the maximum multi-boxing an approach based on sending TCP / IP packets is more effective. In that case, the bot would do something even worse than "just" introducing delays in a chat.
Bots are cheats (that is worse than exploits, exploits are "smart usage of game mechanics" that get silently nerfed the next patch) and as such have to be treated.
Furthermore Monkey could be an in game cheater, but bots - when used for RMT - are RL stealing CCP off intellectual property. Maybe some country could even prosecute them.
One thing of EvE that always baffled me: even in supposedly less blue blooded MMOs the players actively hunt bots and kill them and consider them the lowliest of the low.
In EvE, instead, the consensus splits into:
- "Let them be, what bad do they do after all"
- "Poor guys in <enter here poor country> have to feed somehow"
- "Alliance X and Y have bots therefore it's fair we also use them".
- "Bots take too long to kill, let them be".
- "First fix / nerf / debug <place here long standing lost cause> and then deal with bots".
- "Many features in EvE are boring and grindy, bots help automate them".
Basically, a sad excuse for a mafia, with too many parties who have all to gain by letting bots running wild therefore they will NOT i.e. report corpies botting, will not scream murder every day till CCP puts dedicated employees only after researching for bots, will close one, two or even three eyes when seeing an evident macro in action.
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FactorLT
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Posted - 2010.04.27 00:34:00 -
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Jezus :D PL you starting to be ridiculos,not posting with the alts but also inventing russians who explains about boting and so on :D look at the guys who defending PL is PL guys and some npc corps or god knows what kind of corps guys:D and stop trying to push point others we talking about you at the moment and your space magic! BAN EVEYONE,macros ,botters ,exploiters! In RA we trust |
D3rg3
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Posted - 2010.04.27 00:46:00 -
[1774]
Originally by: Silent Wispa its absolutely impossible for anyone no matter how bright to decypher what means what with the Eve-Online client stream in a mere 2 hours.
if you dont know what you are talking about when it comes to packet capture, then how can you even remotely make this claim ?
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Flinx Evenstar
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.04.27 01:42:00 -
[1775]
Originally by: FactorLT Jezus :D PL you starting to be ridiculos,not posting with the alts but also inventing russians who explains about boting and so on :D look at the guys who defending PL is PL guys and some npc corps or god knows what kind of corps guys:D and stop trying to push point others we talking about you at the moment and your space magic! BAN EVEYONE,macros ,botters ,exploiters!
Sup o/
Monkey Magic explained --- Witness epic fleet battles in Dominion
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Ton Phannon
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Posted - 2010.04.27 02:08:00 -
[1776]
I broke a cardinal rule of forum posting. I only read the first 10 of 58 pages before posting.
It disturbs me that so many people seem to think that if someone is violating a rule/law/etc that if you go after those rule breakers in an illegal way yourself then you must be doing something good. What ever happened to the age old saying, "Two wrongs don't make a right." I think someone said it best when they stated that they hoped CCP would Ban Monkey and his friends, then start an unholy crusade II against macros.
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Seth Ruin
Minmatar Ominous Corp Primary.
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Posted - 2010.04.27 02:17:00 -
[1777]
Originally by: Ton Phannon I broke a cardinal rule of forum posting. I only read the first 10 of 58 pages before posting.
Don't worry. The other 48 pages are basically the same crap being repeated over and over.
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HarrietMiers
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2010.04.27 02:21:00 -
[1778]
Originally by: Flinx Evenstar
Originally by: FactorLT Jezus :D PL you starting to be ridiculos,not posting with the alts but also inventing russians who explains about boting and so on :D look at the guys who defending PL is PL guys and some npc corps or god knows what kind of corps guys:D and stop trying to push point others we talking about you at the moment and your space magic! BAN EVEYONE,macros ,botters ,exploiters!
Sup o/
Monkey Magic explained
+1 rep for that vid.
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Jobby
Minmatar Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2010.04.27 03:19:00 -
[1779]
Originally by: Flinx Evenstar
Originally by: FactorLT Jezus :D PL you starting to be ridiculos,not posting with the alts but also inventing russians who explains about boting and so on :D look at the guys who defending PL is PL guys and some npc corps or god knows what kind of corps guys:D and stop trying to push point others we talking about you at the moment and your space magic! BAN EVEYONE,macros ,botters ,exploiters!
Sup o/
Monkey Magic explained
Tripitaka died at the age of 27, ouch :/
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FireIceHulk
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Posted - 2010.04.27 03:45:00 -
[1780]
Originally by: Ephemeron
Originally by: Grath Telkin An xxdeathxx member posted this in CAOD, which will inevitably get locked, so I'm quoting it and moving it here, so it gets added to the heap.
Its an interesting perspective from one of the russians:
Originally by: FireIceHulk ...
Source: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1308483&sid=711885439
FireIceHulk does not sound Russian. It's an act, I'm sorry to say. I really dislike fakery
This is really laughable. I am well educated, and am well versed in english. If you had access to solar or xxdeathxx forums you would know how they work instead of talking about something you know nothing about. It is really laughable that so few know what solar is all about, they are so careless and post all this information. They do not care because they will not get banned, they leave this all out in the open. However you suggest otherwise, giving a knee jerk reaction like that of bill oreilly. With no facts you come out attacking me, its really sick this American attitude of I am right, you are wrong always procluding everywhere today.. not just America. I have been in AAA before, and one toonie right now in solar(biggest macros). You obviously have not.
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Ellatan Deruimte
Surreal corp Stain Empire
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Posted - 2010.04.27 03:59:00 -
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Originally by: FireIceHulk This is really laughable. I am well educated, and am well versed in english. If you had access to solar or xxdeathxx forums you would know how they work instead of talking about something you know nothing about. It is really laughable that so few know what solar is all about, they are so careless and post all this information. They do not care because they will not get banned, they leave this all out in the open. However you suggest otherwise, giving a knee jerk reaction like that of bill oreilly. With no facts you come out attacking me, its really sick this American attitude of I am right, you are wrong always procluding everywhere today.. not just America. I have been in AAA before, and one toonie right now in solar(biggest macros). You obviously have not.
Emmm... You are Legion of xXDEATHXx slave, paying them tribute to live in their systems. There are 3600 more people like you slaving away. Claiming that you have any sort of "inside" information on Solar or whoever is pretty laughable. If you do, then go ahead and post screenshots from their forums, would be a laugh to read. BTW you are not Russian.
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FireIceHulk
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Posted - 2010.04.27 04:19:00 -
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Ellatan Deruimte, its funny. Do you deny that you or your corp has ever used a macro? We all know the answer, stop the bull****.
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Ellatan Deruimte
Surreal corp Stain Empire
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Posted - 2010.04.27 04:34:00 -
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Edited by: Ellatan Deruimte on 27/04/2010 04:36:50
Originally by: FireIceHulk Ellatan Deruimte, its funny. Do you deny that you or your corp has ever used a macro? We all know the answer, stop the bull****.
Confirm, Surreal doesn't use macrobots and hasn't ever used them. So much for the "super secret" information on Solar Fleet and Legion of xXDEATHXx, huh? Continue to slave away for your masters then. I think it's pretty cool though, that you want to pass off as a Russian, next time you should put a little effort into it.
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FireIceHulk
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Posted - 2010.04.27 04:44:00 -
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Originally by: Ellatan Deruimte Edited by: Ellatan Deruimte on 27/04/2010 04:36:50
Originally by: FireIceHulk Ellatan Deruimte, its funny. Do you deny that you or your corp has ever used a macro? We all know the answer, stop the bull****.
Confirm, Surreal doesn't use macrobots and hasn't ever used them. So much for the "super secret" information on Solar Fleet and Legion of xXDEATHXx, huh? Continue to slave away for your masters then. I think it's pretty cool though, that you want to pass off as a Russian, next time you should put a little effort into it.
Solar and xxdeathxx don't use macros also? your unreal. Eve-ru is even a public russian site, solar guys posted the bot from their forums on the public forum on accident then it was deleted. Did you miss this, or is it still a :mystery: for you?
I am sorry it could be quite possible that surreal does not have macros. But would you like to confirm that your alliance does not?
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Ellatan Deruimte
Surreal corp Stain Empire
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Posted - 2010.04.27 05:20:00 -
[1785]
Lets recap on what you said so far:
Originally by: FireIceHulk
This is really laughable. I am well educated, and am well versed in english.
Nope, not really.
Quote: If you had access to solar or xxdeathxx forums you would know how they work instead of talking about something you know nothing about.
You don't have access.
Quote: It is really laughable that so few know what solar is all about, they are so careless and post all this information. They do not care because they will not get banned, they leave this all out in the open.
Since you don't have access, this are just plain lies.
Quote: However you suggest otherwise, giving a knee jerk reaction like that of bill oreilly. With no facts you come out attacking me, its really sick this American attitude of I am right, you are wrong always procluding everywhere today.. not just America. I have been in AAA before, and one toonie right now in solar(biggest macros). You obviously have not.
You haven't been in AAA or Solar, sorry.
Originally by: FireIceHulk
Solar and xxdeathxx don't use macros also? your unreal. Eve-ru is even a public russian site, solar guys posted the bot from their forums on the public forum on accident then it was deleted. Did you miss this, or is it still a :mystery: for you?
I am sorry it could be quite possible that surreal does not have macros. But would you like to confirm that your alliance does not?
Is EVE-RU your super secret forum, which gave you the access to all that information about Legion of Death and Solar? You make me laugh. I haven't seen any posts about bots by Solar Fleet. There is also a big difference between Solar Fleet and Solar Wing, just like there is a huge difference between Legion of Death and Shadow of Death. Solar Wing and Shadow of Death are just renter slaves, they are not exclusively Russian, nobody cares what they do as long as they pay up.
Yes, my alliance doesn't macrobot, I'd like to confirm it, sure.
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FireIceHulk
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Posted - 2010.04.27 06:26:00 -
[1786]
Your flat out lying if your saying xxdeathxx and solar don't have bots programs on their forums. I am looking at them right now, are you blind?
Also just fyi Burn Eden got their botting program from stain empire.
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Huhuhuhuhuhuh
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Posted - 2010.04.27 06:41:00 -
[1787]
Originally by: FireIceHulk Your flat out lying if your saying xxdeathxx and solar don't have bots programs on their forums. I am looking at them right now, are you blind?
Also just fyi Burn Eden got their botting program from stain empire.
I dont understand all this political mumbo jumbo of eve, but am i right that there are 2 alliances. Masters (Legion of xdeath) and slaves (Shadow of xdeath). Slave pay to masters isk for systems they use. So are you in slave or master part ?
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FireIceHulk
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Posted - 2010.04.27 06:47:00 -
[1788]
Originally by: Huhuhuhuhuhuh
Originally by: FireIceHulk Your flat out lying if your saying xxdeathxx and solar don't have bots programs on their forums. I am looking at them right now, are you blind?
Also just fyi Burn Eden got their botting program from stain empire.
I dont understand all this political mumbo jumbo of eve, but am i right that there are 2 alliances. Masters (Legion of xdeath) and slaves (Shadow of xdeath). Slave pay to masters isk for systems they use. So are you in slave or master part ?
My main is Solar Fleet for pvp, but of course I won't post my main because I will be targeted and kicked from alliance most likely. I don't think xxdeathxx members are having a collective get together on eve forums, so I doubt they even see me post here. But Solar certainly does.. I still have some friends in Solar I like which is why I stay, but there is always a bad side to every coin. ))
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Huhuhuhuhuhuh
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Posted - 2010.04.27 06:51:00 -
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Originally by: FireIceHulk
My main is Solar Fleet for pvp, but of course I won't post my main because I will be targeted and kicked from alliance most likely. I don't think xxdeathxx members are having a collective get together on eve forums, so I doubt they even see me post here. But Solar certainly does.. I still have some friends in Solar I like which is why I stay, but there is always a bad side to every coin. ))
So you claim to be in the master's alliance and claim that no only they get monies from slaves, but also macro themselves. Though you fail to provide any proof of being in said alliance and fail to provide any proof of macro usage which as you claim is posted on their forums. I believe this scores as 0/10 on my troll-o-meter.
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FireIceHulk
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Posted - 2010.04.27 06:56:00 -
[1790]
Originally by: Huhuhuhuhuhuh
Originally by: FireIceHulk
My main is Solar Fleet for pvp, but of course I won't post my main because I will be targeted and kicked from alliance most likely. I don't think xxdeathxx members are having a collective get together on eve forums, so I doubt they even see me post here. But Solar certainly does.. I still have some friends in Solar I like which is why I stay, but there is always a bad side to every coin. ))
So you claim to be in the master's alliance and claim that no only they get monies from slaves, but also macro themselves. Though you fail to provide any proof of being in said alliance and fail to provide any proof of macro usage which as you claim is posted on their forums. I believe this scores as 0/10 on my troll-o-meter.
You know it gets kinda dull when you try and act like solar/xxdeathxx don't macro. When all the hostiles come can see it for themselves. And its all over their internal forums. And its eve on eve-ru a site that everyone can see. You are really grasping for straws telling me SOLAR doesn't use macros.
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Gnulpie
Minmatar Miner Tech
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Posted - 2010.04.27 07:24:00 -
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Edited by: Gnulpie on 27/04/2010 07:25:25 From the EULA
Quote: You may not use your own or third-party software to modify any content appearing within the Game environment or change how the Game is played.
Quote: You will not attempt to reverse engineer, hack or by any other means try to change code or game files nor in any way capture, decipher or interfere with transmissions to or from the game servers...
Quote: You will not encourage any one else to violate these rules.
That is pretty clear.
All that stuff about 'we used exploits only to fight macros' is total BS and I hope that everyone using exploits and cheats will get the big banhammer.
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Huhuhuhuhuhuh
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Posted - 2010.04.27 07:26:00 -
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Originally by: FireIceHulk
You know it gets kinda dull when you try and act like solar/xxdeathxx don't macro. When all the hostiles come can see it for themselves. And its all over their internal forums. And its eve on eve-ru a site that everyone can see. You are really grasping for straws telling me SOLAR doesn't use macros.
I am not telling you anything since i have no opinion on the matter. All I ask - either provide some substance to your claims or kindly admit that you are talking out of your ass.
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FireIceHulk
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Posted - 2010.04.27 07:42:00 -
[1793]
Originally by: Huhuhuhuhuhuh
I am not telling you anything since i have no opinion on the matter. All I ask - either provide some substance to your claims or kindly admit that you are talking out of your ass.
Everyone knows solar use bots. Like I said your grasping on straws. And you for sure must be a macro, to be defending this so bitterly. You know the ins and outs of botting techniques, even manage to make a exploit to kill them by your own admission. Someone with this vast knowledge in macros must have also had heavy use in them so busy to find a counter for you macro. You probably invented the macro, now your scrambling to find the counter and after 3 years you still got no where to stop the sphere. Now you come begging on forums for people to come save your macro.
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Huhuhuhuhuhuh
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Posted - 2010.04.27 07:50:00 -
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Originally by: FireIceHulk
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So. Proof. Everyone knows is not a proof. I for instance dont know anything. Enlighten me with link/screenshot/fraps whatever. Dump the internal forum with all macrosing on pl public board for the gods sake. But dont come back until you have something to back up your claims.
bye.
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Kadesh Priestess
Scalding Chill
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Posted - 2010.04.27 08:02:00 -
[1795]
Edited by: Kadesh Priestess on 27/04/2010 08:03:06
Originally by: FireIceHulk Everyone knows solar use bots. Like I said your grasping on straws. And you for sure must be a macro, to be defending this so bitterly. You know the ins and outs of botting techniques, even manage to make a exploit to kill them by your own admission. Someone with this vast knowledge in macros must have also had heavy use in them so busy to find a counter for you macro. You probably invented the macro, now your scrambling to find the counter and after 3 years you still got no where to stop the sphere. Now you come begging on forums for people to come save your macro.
Then petition each and every bot you encountered, what's the problem? If you visit russian forum more or less often you should know that I'm hated by the person whose bunch of characters was banned likely due to my petition.
Stop speculating that most of russians are botting. At least, eve-ru.com forums do not encourage or cover macroing/usage of exploits, so macroers are hiding somewhere underground.
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Wyn Pharoh
Gallente Deep Stage THE-FEDERATION
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Posted - 2010.04.27 08:42:00 -
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Edited by: Wyn Pharoh on 27/04/2010 08:46:27 Edited by: Wyn Pharoh on 27/04/2010 08:43:29
Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha
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I've been shot at and been shooting back at russians ingame since day one, so I know they are not all macrolords, but seriously, where is the community pride when it comes to the obvious reality that the general eve community has come to believe that russians=macros. Simply, if you all had done your best to make Eve an exploit free gaming environment years ago, there would be absolutely no moral high ground for the 'accused' to have in the first place
Basically, anyone to make in *2 hours* a video of botting, how to implement it, how to counter it, source code for it, and petition CCP enough to get them post on the forums?
And also, 57 pages of people DEMANDING a prompt fix since the above proof of concept?
You totally lost me here Vaerah, and you are one of the more intelligible posters left following this thread. Most of my post was directed towards being bewildered by the .ru community's apparent lack of pride and the apparent unwillingness on their part to deal with the xxxlegion of macrosxxx that infest sov systems held by every .ru community space holding alliance I have come across whilst living in 0.0 for most of my ingame life.
So, I'm totally lost by what you had to say this time...
I will again say in all honesty, it is hypocrisy at it's finest to beg the Eve-O community to turn a blind eye towards the thousands of cheating macrobotters while demanding that one accused exploiter be lynched, tarred & feathered and burned at the stake. If those wacky PL guys (or even just one crazy codemonkey Estonian PL guy) came up with an illegal means to grief bots, then I suppose they will end up suffering the logical consequences.
In the meantime, what are .ru community members doing to actively help make eve an exploit/cheat free environment? Have you reported all the botting posters on your eve.ru website yet? Or are you just going to say 'we don't support bots' while actually doing nothing about a situation that is practically impossible for outsiders to investigate due to the obvious cultural and language barriers that divide Eve? I mean seriously, why should anyone wtf care about dis 'monkey business' as long as an entire cultural community seems content to tolerate the open discussion on their internal and open public forums of cheating (botting) on a gamewide scale?
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Gunnanmon
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2010.04.27 09:45:00 -
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Originally by: FireIceHulk Everyone knows solar use bots.
Not everyone, apparently. Signature locked for discussing moderation. Navigator
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar Vahrokh Consulting
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Posted - 2010.04.27 09:47:00 -
[1798]
Quote:
So, I'm totally lost by what you had to say this time...
I am not English and they did not teach it at school back at my time
I was basically supporting and expanding on the quoted text.
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Deviana Sevidon
Gallente Panta-Rhei Butterfly Effect Alliance
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Posted - 2010.04.27 10:52:00 -
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Apparently there is a "no local" exploit and it is also very clear that a lot of people, not only russians but at least a fairly large number of them, is exploiting by using bots.
Yet this are two different things. The exploit can be used against anyone ratting and saying it should be allowed to continue, or that it is just a minor issue, because bots were the main target is laughable.
Yes, I think it is time for unholy rage 2.0, fire and pitchforks and as target I would target anyone who is using bots to fund their PvP (Burn Eden I am looking at you) or the RL sweatshop farmers, as well as anyone using other exploits, among them the no local-thing.
Even if it means, that two thirds of the 0.0 alliances would be destroyed in the process. At least the rest can enjoy the game with much less lag, fewer exploiting and smaller blobs.
Quote: Disclaimer: All mentioned above contains my opinion and is therefore an absolute truth (for me anyway, my universe, muhahaha.....ok, done
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bella lugosi
Self-Obsessed and Sexxee
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Posted - 2010.04.27 11:45:00 -
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Edited by: bella lugosi on 27/04/2010 11:46:01
Originally by: Deviana Sevidon
Yes, I think it is time for unholy rage 2.0, fire and pitchforks and as target I would target anyone who is using bots to fund their PvP (Burn Eden I am looking at you) or the RL sweatshop farmers, as well as anyone using other exploits, among them the no local-thing.
Even if it means, that two thirds of the 0.0 alliances would be destroyed in the process. At least the rest can enjoy the game with much less lag, fewer exploiting and smaller blobs.
Yes, i can just see it now, CCP banning thousands of paying customers in a righteous campaign to achieve better player equity, justice, and improving gaming quality for all players.
heh. If ccp had any interest in retaining the integrity of their game they would have acted on many of these issues long ago. Unfortunately Macros, botters and isk farmers account for a significant portion of their subscriptions. So don't hold your breath.
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