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Maisonian
Amarr The Green Machine Aeternus.
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Posted - 2010.04.26 16:21:00 -
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In b4 'our logs show nothing' from CCP...
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Gunnanmon
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2010.04.26 16:43:00 -
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Originally by: Maisonian In b4 'our logs show nothing' from CCP...
Ohwai...
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar Vahrokh Consulting
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Posted - 2010.04.26 17:25:00 -
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Quote:
I've been shot at and been shooting back at russians ingame since day one, so I know they are not all macrolords, but seriously, where is the community pride when it comes to the obvious reality that the general eve community has come to believe that russians=macros. Simply, if you all had done your best to make Eve an exploit free gaming environment years ago, there would be absolutely no moral high ground for the 'accused' to have in the first place
Basically, anyone to make in *2 hours* a video of botting, how to implement it, how to counter it, source code for it, and petition CCP enough to get them post on the forums?
And also, 57 pages of people DEMANDING a prompt fix since the above proof of concept? - Auditing & consulting
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Avon
Caldari Versatech Co. Aeternus.
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Posted - 2010.04.26 17:31:00 -
[1744]
Originally by: baltec1 You know, its going to be funny if it turns out monkeyman doesn't cheat afterall.
I don't think you understand the basic concept of humour.
What would actually be funny is if CCP sent him an exploding parcel of pink custard, guilty or not. Or, pushing the surreal analogy to the max, you making a decent post. Signature removed, please only use English on the forums. Zymurgist Okay sweet-cheeks xxx. Avon |
Sply Smug'lor
Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2010.04.26 17:38:00 -
[1745]
im pretty sure that even if CCP was not logging the entering of local chat, per some of the GM responses reportedly received, CCP is trying to come up with a method of determining whether or not a person was in local using server data from the days in question. I'm sure the delay in patching is a result of aforementioned reason and the fact that changing client side code can be tedious and time consuming. Lets just hope that the bug is fixed soon and that those who abused it are banned.
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baltec1
Antares Shipyards Aeternus.
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Posted - 2010.04.26 17:38:00 -
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Originally by: Avon
Originally by: baltec1 You know, its going to be funny if it turns out monkeyman doesn't cheat afterall.
I don't think you understand the basic concept of humour.
What would actually be funny is if CCP sent him an exploding parcel of pink custard, guilty or not. Or, pushing the surreal analogy to the max, you making a decent post.
Personally I would send him a russian hat and a bottle of vodka if he gets banned.
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kaisersauzee
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Posted - 2010.04.26 17:42:00 -
[1747]
Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2 Believe me, if bot users were trolling as hard as these Pandemic Legion fools are there would be a 50-page megathread on them.
but there`s no RL iskies to be made from trolling
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Bimjo
Caldari SKULLDOGS
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Posted - 2010.04.26 17:44:00 -
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Originally by: baltec1
Originally by: Avon
Originally by: baltec1 You know, its going to be funny if it turns out monkeyman doesn't cheat afterall.
I don't think you understand the basic concept of humour.
What would actually be funny is if CCP sent him an exploding parcel of pink custard, guilty or not. Or, pushing the surreal analogy to the max, you making a decent post.
Personally I would send him a russian hat and a bottle of vodka if he gets banned.
Guilty by association. CCP , ban him !
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baltec1
Antares Shipyards Aeternus.
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Posted - 2010.04.26 17:46:00 -
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Originally by: Bimjo Guilty by association. CCP , ban him !
Oh noes
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Grath Telkin
Amarr Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.04.26 17:58:00 -
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An xxdeathxx member posted this in CAOD, which will inevitably get locked, so I'm quoting it and moving it here, so it gets added to the heap.
Its an interesting perspective from one of the russians:
Originally by: FireIceHulk I may be a bit biased here as I do not come from a poor background as most russians do. But it makes me kinda of wonder about all the false propaganda on these forums. The big russian alliances I know AAA, solar, xxdeathxx, IT(russians members, idk about us players) and to some extent even RA(though not many of them) use macros. Many of them use it as way to make a living, but to me they are more like slaves to the shop they work for. AAA of all the alliances is the most prolific of macro farmers, and taught the russian community about this neat exploit one might say. But is it really a exploit? idk, its just automated system.. so to some extent I see nothing bad about macros. What is not good is RMT, its like blood diamonds, people are slaves to their owners for cheap pay. Not the fair communistic russians i know being controlled by capitalism s****greed. I used to think chinese were the sweatshop farmers, but now that I look at it so are the russians.
Now recently on russians forums external/and internal we have had alot of unrest, and lots of trouble. People have been trying to find a way to combat macros. For years we tried to get rid of these macro killers, but ccp said it is within game mechanics. We have no idea what the mechanic is, but some say monkey can be invisible in local?? idk about this. I have seen no proof, and it makes me chuckle when on russian forums we make something fake, and people here actually believe the propaganda. And I hear monkey is actually banned because of these fake videos?? )) I dont like monkey very much either because he killed my raven that was not macro, but this is not the honorable way to act to make lies =/
As I see it your attacking pl on lies. Though they are prolific smack talkers, I see them as one of the great honors of this game. Unlike BOB/IT they never had a dev cheat or macros, unlike most russians they never exploit or use macros. Everything I have seen them do is within the game. Well you can say there are alot of RMT'rs in IT,aaa, and that drone region is hard without macro. And I know pl use alts to tackle ships, but that is not cheating, that is fair in game. Im surprised pl even took down bob when they had devs and all this inside information. So instead of hating the 'player' one might say, lets hate the 'game'. And lets honor alliance such as pl.
So I ask russian community to stop the fake bs propaganda. ANd I can't believe monkey got banned for this fake stuff to protect a few russian capitalistic greedy bastards. Tell them to go get money a real way and stop working for them. I did this a long time ago when they approached me, but like i said I am not poor, maybe its why I roll this way. SO i can understand that.
from moscow, best wishes
Source: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1308483&sid=711885439
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romek mablung
Caldari OWS Research and Development
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Posted - 2010.04.26 18:10:00 -
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If there was exploit...it WILL get patched.If there are on killboards exploit users,and they can be detected via serverside logs-they will be banned.Who they were-time will show.My inner magic says though...Monkeysquad killstreak is effectively ended...from now on-they will be mere mortals with 1-x(put avg 0.0 hunter kills)per active cameplay day.Case closed!
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Lee Kin
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Posted - 2010.04.26 18:22:00 -
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Originally by: Grath Telkin An xxdeathxx member posted this in CAOD, which will inevitably get locked, so I'm quoting it and moving it here, so it gets added to the heap.
Its an interesting perspective from one of the russians:
Originally by: FireIceHulk I may be a bit biased here as I do not come from a poor background as most russians do. But it makes me kinda of wonder about all the false propaganda on these forums. The big russian alliances I know AAA, solar, xxdeathxx, IT(russians members, idk about us players) and to some extent even RA(though not many of them) use macros. Many of them use it as way to make a living, but to me they are more like slaves to the shop they work for. AAA of all the alliances is the most prolific of macro farmers, and taught the russian community about this neat exploit one might say. But is it really a exploit? idk, its just automated system.. so to some extent I see nothing bad about macros. What is not good is RMT, its like blood diamonds, people are slaves to their owners for cheap pay. Not the fair communistic russians i know being controlled by capitalism s****greed. I used to think chinese were the sweatshop farmers, but now that I look at it so are the russians.
Now recently on russians forums external/and internal we have had alot of unrest, and lots of trouble. People have been trying to find a way to combat macros. For years we tried to get rid of these macro killers, but ccp said it is within game mechanics. We have no idea what the mechanic is, but some say monkey can be invisible in local?? idk about this. I have seen no proof, and it makes me chuckle when on russian forums we make something fake, and people here actually believe the propaganda. And I hear monkey is actually banned because of these fake videos?? )) I dont like monkey very much either because he killed my raven that was not macro, but this is not the honorable way to act to make lies =/
As I see it your attacking pl on lies. Though they are prolific smack talkers, I see them as one of the great honors of this game. Unlike BOB/IT they never had a dev cheat or macros, unlike most russians they never exploit or use macros. Everything I have seen them do is within the game. Well you can say there are alot of RMT'rs in IT,aaa, and that drone region is hard without macro. And I know pl use alts to tackle ships, but that is not cheating, that is fair in game. Im surprised pl even took down bob when they had devs and all this inside information. So instead of hating the 'player' one might say, lets hate the 'game'. And lets honor alliance such as pl.
So I ask russian community to stop the fake bs propaganda. ANd I can't believe monkey got banned for this fake stuff to protect a few russian capitalistic greedy bastards. Tell them to go get money a real way and stop working for them. I did this a long time ago when they approached me, but like i said I am not poor, maybe its why I roll this way. SO i can understand that.
from moscow, best wishes
Source: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1308483&sid=711885439
4 month old character, been in new corp 3 days....you're reaching to a new level of lame.
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Barakkus
Caelestis Iudicium
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Posted - 2010.04.26 18:22:00 -
[1753]
Why not just make local in 0.0 work like wormholes? Problem solved.
Originally by: CCP Dropbear
rofl
edit: ah crap, dev account. Oh well, official rofl at you sir.
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Ephemeron
G-Force Enterprises Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2010.04.26 18:25:00 -
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Originally by: Grath Telkin An xxdeathxx member posted this in CAOD, which will inevitably get locked, so I'm quoting it and moving it here, so it gets added to the heap.
Its an interesting perspective from one of the russians:
Originally by: FireIceHulk ...
Source: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1308483&sid=711885439
FireIceHulk does not sound Russian. It's an act, I'm sorry to say. I really dislike fakery
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Grath Telkin
Amarr Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.04.26 18:34:00 -
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Edited by: Grath Telkin on 26/04/2010 18:34:53
Originally by: Lee Kin
4 month old character, been in new corp 3 days....you're reaching to a new level of lame.
How is cross posting lame?
Originally by: Ephemeron FireIceHulk does not sound Russian. It's an act, I'm sorry to say. I really dislike fakery
It could be, only, I'm not qualified to be the judge of its authenticity based on the facts presented (see the theme).
He could be new, maybe he knew somebody in xxdeathxx, how the hell should I know.
He uses semi broken and incorrect english, he's in a russian alliance (at least what i would call a russian alliance), and he posted on the forums.
Obviously, according to this thread, that pretty much solidifies his standings as a good witness.
If thats a fake russian, can you guys start tagging all your legit witnesses?
The list of which ones I'm allowed to believe, and which ones I'm not allowed to believe is getting pretty extensive.
EDIT: Hi Ephemeron, how's life.
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Romale
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.04.26 18:39:00 -
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Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2
Originally by: Gunnanmon
Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2
Originally by: Pr1ncess Alia justice is justice. whether or not you can justify it is a personal matter that is handled individually. somehow i sleep better knowing the hundreds of people that have been systematically exploiting eve are getting what is coming to them.
Originally by: Pr1ncess Alia I'm glad they are getting killed by someone exploiting.
And the at-the-keyboard players that arenĘt cheating and having this exploit used on? They deserve to be cheated on why again?
Collateral damage. o_O
And we just let Pandemic Legion decide who's "collateral damage" and who deserves to be cheated on because why exactly? What's so special about PL? Have they been trained by CCP on the use of exploits for the greater cause and been sanctioned by CCP to use exploits on regular playing and paying customers?
STOP. JUSTIFYING. THE. USE. OF. ANY. EXPLOIT.
O, i was done with this thread? but you made me come back for a post, i personally think PL is uniquely qualified to be the police with all the powers including the one to beat your face in and the one on collateral damage as we hate all of you equally :D
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Ephemeron
G-Force Enterprises Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2010.04.26 18:49:00 -
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I don't really care about this thread anymore, I just find it amusing how fake FireIceHulk sounded as he pretended to be Russian. Granted, there is a chance he's really Russian, but it still sounds all wrong
Anyway, the important thing is that CCP are aware of the vulnerability which can be exploited. They'll fix it. As for monkey and Pandemic leadership involvement? no amount of forum speculation is going to give accurate facts. Only GMs have ability to verify data with their servers. Maybe they'll put out a statement, tho CCP isn't particularly interested in informing the public honestly, any more than both sides of this thread.
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Deros
Minmatar Black Omega Security Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.04.26 18:50:00 -
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FireIceHulk < If actually an honest post = legend.
on a related note, monkey kills stupid people
on another related note, lol @ macro users
on a less related note, WTS 'Monkey' modified Sphere I
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Xtover
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.04.26 18:54:00 -
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confirming that "sphere" is an awesome name for any kind of exlpoiting program, real or not.
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Psychotic Maniac
Caldari Head Shrinkers
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Posted - 2010.04.26 19:02:00 -
[1760]
Originally by: Romale O, i was done with this thread?
So, does that mean you were finally going to uncloak? Please stay cloaked, we'll miss you around here.
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AdmiralJohn
The Unknown Bar and Pub Elysium Alliance
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Posted - 2010.04.26 19:03:00 -
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Is this thread done yet?
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Taua Roqa
Minmatar Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2010.04.26 19:17:00 -
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i, too, am from russia, and make a living from filming fake **** scenes in war torn villages (you can see me in such films as 'suck my fat Chernobyl' and 'Stalin ****s Palin'), and i don't know any other russians who use macro, but i know some japanese who film fake **** scenes in subway trains who do.
no really, the PL posters and their alts in this thread are f'in ridiculous.
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Caldari Billboard
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Posted - 2010.04.26 19:26:00 -
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Originally by: Taua Roqa i, too, am from russia, and make a living from filming fake **** scenes in war torn villages (you can see me in such films as 'suck my fat Chernobyl' and 'Stalin ****s Palin'), and i don't know any other russians who use macro, but i know some japanese who film fake **** scenes in subway trains who do.
no really, the PL posters and their alts in this thread are f'in ridiculous.
hi pl alt
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baltec1
Antares Shipyards Aeternus.
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Posted - 2010.04.26 19:31:00 -
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Originally by: AdmiralJohn Is this thread done yet?
The interesting bits are. From now on its just gonna be populated by trolls.
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Ecks Orion
Proposition Thirteen Taboo.
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Posted - 2010.04.26 19:33:00 -
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Originally by: Pr1ncess Alia Edited by: Pr1ncess Alia on 26/04/2010 15:52:04
Originally by: War Kitten
Originally by: Pr1ncess Alia
so tell me, where exactly was the 50 page rant/rave thread against them these past few years? sure, it's been mentioned, but not seriously addressed. why? no public outrage
Read more internets.
There are threads started daily about macro ratters and macro miners. There have even been player-run events aimed at hunting macro miners, and not to mention CCP's campaign that banned elventy hundred accounts for macro use / RMT trading.
Keep up :)
i'm more than aware the topic is brought up, and often.
just pointing out the hypocrisy that we don't get 50 page threadnaughts of .ru screaming to stop it.
unholy rage was a drop in the bucket. not the be all and end all solution. CCP needs to up their game against it and need to start looking at more intelligent solutions in game to make macro anything nearly impossible.
AI for rats is a joke. For the isk to be had in 0.0 it should involve much more than it does
respawning npcs could easliy be adjusted to anticipate generic attack patterns and spawn/react/engage accordingly
This is a dumb argument.
The reason this is a 50+ page threadnought is because there are people defending it. If everyone agreed that this was a problem, it would have gone a page or two, then faded into obscurity.
That's why you don't see huge threads about macro ratting. Everyone hates it, so there'd be no arguing or defending it.
"Ban macro ratters!" "Yep." "+1" "Agree!" etc etc etc.
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Ellatan Deruimte
Surreal corp Stain Empire
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Posted - 2010.04.26 19:47:00 -
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There wasn't a single post in this thread from the Russian players justifying the use of macros. We are against macro botting, if you come across one, report them to CCP, they should deal with them. At the same time, there were dozens of posts from Pandemic Legion and their alts, justifying the use of an exploit and cheating. That pretty much sums up this thread.
FYI, Shadow of xXDEATHXx is not a Russian alliance, they are renters of all nationalities and pay dues to Legion of xXDEATHXx, who are actually Russians.
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Jeneroux
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.04.26 20:03:00 -
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Do you Americans all know each other?
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Ranka Mei
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.04.26 20:07:00 -
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Edited by: Ranka Mei on 26/04/2010 20:07:58
Originally by: Malaclypse Muscaria
Originally by: Xtover He's stuck in a C2 (I think that's the size) with a mach... meaning his ****** is stuck and can't get out.
... I'm going to wager that's just the convenient excuse he's using to explain away his inability to continue pulling off his amazing ganking feats now that CCP is watching
^^ This.
Originally by: Pr1ncess Alia there is this mentality that macros are an unfortunate but accepted part of the game. they are every bit as bad as any other form of cheating.
Actually, there's a good reason for that. Macro-mining is automating an otherwise in-bounds activity. It's illegal, because you're expressly forbidden to tamper with the EVE client and/or its communication with the server, but you're still operating within the existing 'physics' of the game. Cheating is of entirely other order of magnitude, as cheaters like the Monkster rewrite the entire physics of the EVE universe themselves: they can hide where they're supposed to be visible; they can magically, and instantly, transport themselves over great distances, and/or fleet up with friend and foe alike. Clearly exploits must always have priority when it comes to deciding which needs to be stopped first.
For the record, all macro-miners should be banned too. But I want the Monkeyman trickery stopped first. If CCP manages to catch a few hundred macro-miners in the process as well, all the better. But this Monkey exploit is an acute danger, a game-breaking mechanism that cannot be allowed to persist. -- Gorgeous, delicious, deculture! |
HarrietMiers
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2010.04.26 21:45:00 -
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This thread.
Thank you for reminding me that an awful lot of incredibly stupid people play eve.
Protip: someone pointing out that you whiny carebears are getting pwnt and crying like girls doesn't make them a PL alt, it makes them rational human beings. By all means, keep crying though.
Monkey, you are my new hero in EVE and something every bear hunter should aspire to. I'd send you isk, but something tells me you have far more than I'll ever see.
Please, keep the tears flowing.
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Dirk Culliford
H A V O C Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.04.26 22:34:00 -
[1770]
Hi Guys, what's going on in this thread?
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