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Orephia
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Posted - 2010.04.20 20:26:00 -
[331]
 Originally by: PeHD0M
I think, that he is probably using 2 exploits:
1. no local chat (something with session changes, maybe wormholes)
2. warp to fleet member (somekind of eve process injection. If you are in the fleet with a target, you can warp to it)
With this, you can kill anyone.. even if the target is cloaked. A gamebreaking exploit, if it works.
There was a thread last month on test server about something like this being done [Amberlamps] Warp to 0m on anyone you want?
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Creepin
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Posted - 2010.04.20 20:31:00 -
[332]
Originally by: Grath Telkin
really mad he's messing with your monthly income huh?
you know, if you get a real job, this won't be an issue.
Really man you should consider dropping the act of a village fool - it doesn't help. In case you forget, it's topic about you & your cheating friends shamelessly raping eve client for unfair advantage because of being too lame to win by the rule or whatever reason.
If you that disturbed by hypothetical russian botters - go whine in your own thread, stop derailing this one 
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Grath Telkin
Amarr
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.04.20 20:33:00 -
[333]
Originally by: Orephia
Originally by: PeHD0M
I think, that he is probably using 2 exploits:
1. no local chat (something with session changes, maybe wormholes)
2. warp to fleet member (somekind of eve process injection. If you are in the fleet with a target, you can warp to it)
With this, you can kill anyone.. even if the target is cloaked. A gamebreaking exploit, if it works.
There was a thread last month on test server about something like this being done [Amberlamps] Warp to 0m on anyone you want?
Yea, that thread was dumb, a good prober can hit you in about 6 seconds, that was more a case of somebody being unfamiliar with the working game mechanic changes.
Fleet warfare saw this change immediately after the probing changes came down, it made glass cannon BS fleets that fired from range virtually useless, as the other sides prober would have a warp in on you in 6-8 seconds, and because you were at such extreme range, the mid 150k class tanked fleet bs would get warped in on you.
The resulting slaughter changed some tactics.
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Zeba
Minmatar
Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2010.04.20 20:34:00 -
[334]
Originally by: Orephia
There was a thread last month on test server about something like this being done [Amberlamps] Warp to 0m on anyone you want?
Meh, with tops skills and implants you can get a new warpable hit seconds after he slows down from the micro hop to his new position. You don't even need to wait for it to leave warp to be able warp to it hence his 'magical' warping on top of the target just as it finishes leaving warp. I don't think that is waht is going on here though provided this thread isn't just another hulkageddon clone with fake complainers giving PL a reason lulz at all the tinfoil getting tossed about.
Originally by: CCP Zymurgist
Get off the forums and go kill someone!
Originally by: Amarr Supremacist
Yeah, it(Jaguar) almost has cruiser level tank and gank!
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Phosphorus Palladium
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Posted - 2010.04.20 20:40:00 -
[335]
On page 49 of the russian thread on this topic,
the moderator seems to have removed fraps of the "invisibility" technique.
The way I understood it, is that the removal of the link was due to the
link showing an exploit.
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Grath Telkin
Amarr
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.04.20 20:43:00 -
[336]
Originally by: Phosphorus Palladium
On page 49 of the russian thread on this topic,
the moderator seems to have removed fraps of the "invisibility" technique.
The way I understood it, is that the removal of the link was due to the
link showing an exploit.
Its hard to judge because of the translators being so terrible.
At one point, it reads like, they removed it for showing an exploit, at another point, it reads like your not sure if the frapser is not exploiting, as there is something about the "removal of tools" a few posts later.
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Lady Karma
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Posted - 2010.04.20 20:46:00 -
[337]
Originally by: Phosphorus Palladium
On page 49 of the russian thread on this topic,
the moderator seems to have removed fraps of the "invisibility" technique.
The way I understood it, is that the removal of the link was due to the
link showing an exploit.
It showed his macro tools on the screen, bit silly of him really.
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Ded MATAP
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Posted - 2010.04.20 20:50:00 -
[338]
Edited by: Ded MATAP on 20/04/2010 20:51:22
Originally by: Lady Karma
Originally by: Phosphorus Palladium
On page 49 of the russian thread on this topic,
the moderator seems to have removed fraps of the "invisibility" technique.
The way I understood it, is that the removal of the link was due to the
link showing an exploit.
It showed his macro tools on the screen, bit silly of him really.
Well... Sure you know better what macro tool look like. I've never seen one, so i think this was some kind of network tool.
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romek mablung
Caldari
OWS Research and Development
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Posted - 2010.04.20 20:57:00 -
[339]
Im currently in process of reading 50+ pages on russian forums on subject,and when,yes,some pilots there speaking were obviously macroing (mining-hunting),some were,by their claims,of cource,single account- single pilots,who got killed ratting in 0.0 belts.Monkey just went careless,and attacked some real players,or some,actually making attention,while belt ratting.My 5 cents.and as empire carebear,i could care less,but still,its clearly I-Win button abusing case.And,as now,as djinn is out of its can....i hope,CCP will look of it.Russians had thoughts,that it might need to rewrote client entitrely,as seems some chat related-local related things are done clientside (hence packet sniffing and delaying -modifying-copy-pasteing wh chat packets-copy-pasteing after gate jumping cloak packets....something in line).If eve clients controls those things-its bad!
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LTcyberT1000
Caldari
Free Space Tech
Red Alliance
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Posted - 2010.04.20 20:58:00 -
[340]
This is common issue in multiple games with network packet mangling before interraction between client and server...
Hint to CCP: automatically make them relog if they do not join local after 30 seconds when changing session to new solar system.. Problem solved ;)
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bitters much
Nekkid Inc.
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Posted - 2010.04.20 21:01:00 -
[341]
Originally by: species2143
Place bubble when u run out of alts? As previously stated, there are many ways to catch bots/players that simply logoff... things are alot more complex for the second kind of bots that I mentioned previously.
Bubble would be on KM when I remember right ?!? so this would be a no go.
BTW: Best thread in ages very entertaining
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phalanx III
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.04.20 21:03:00 -
[342]
Holy special needs in this thread.
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar
Vahrokh Consulting
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Posted - 2010.04.20 21:03:00 -
[343]
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it's just a simple code injection @ the network level between client and server, as the chat channels are hosted by a server not connected to the system node shards(as stated by GMs), you can prevent yourself from showing up in local by brownboxing the network stack. Stops you appearing in all other channels too, unfortunately, but no much of a problem.
It can be even easier than that.
Currently, me and several other people have this bug that makes us:
- invisible in chats
- look not logged on, even using address book
- impossible to fleet with (this is how I discovered I was affected by it).
- only appear in chats after we talk.
If this Monkey dude has the same, he can kill all the macros he wants.
For once, a bug is a good thing, macros ships should all asplode and be banned.
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I'm not sure how reasonable it is to expect fraps, seeing as the whole issue here is that they claim they can't see him in local before he appears. So unless every potential gank target has fraps running 23/7, the chances of catching a video would be pretty slim.
And of course, bots aren't smart enough to take screenshots or fraps anyway
Last version(s) of FRAPS keep a buffer of the last 30 seconds of what happened, you can enable it writing these 30 seconds down at any moment, effectively allowing to always catch such attempts.
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PS: I don't like bots, but i will pay my subscription even knowing that there are russian or chinese bots - they can't make this game unfair to me.
Bots make the game unfair, they flood the economy with the heaps of garbage they farm, they flood the servers CPUs (as per Holy Rage CCP's shown statistics), they adversely impact on several markets.
The very fact that they bot, is to cheat AND make the game in favor of them and thus unfair to the others.
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As i understand,from my zero hacking skills,packet sniffing is quite elite stuff
No, even a semi-educated donkey can packet sniff and for free.
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Bubble would be on KM when I remember right ?!? so this would be a no go.
Yes, the bubble's "owner" should be in the killmail.
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BTW: Best thread in ages very entertaining
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Grath Telkin
Amarr
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.04.20 21:04:00 -
[344]
Originally by: romek mablung
Im currently in process of reading 50+ pages on russian forums on subject,and when,yes,some pilots there speaking were obviously macroing (mining-hunting),some were,by their claims,of cource,single account- single pilots,who got killed ratting in 0.0 belts.Monkey just went careless,and attacked some real players,or some,actually making attention,while belt ratting.My 5 cents.and as empire carebear,i could care less,but still,its clearly I-Win button abusing case.And,as now,as djinn is out of its can....i hope,CCP will look of it.Russians had thoughts,that it might need to rewrote client entitrely,as seems some chat related-local related things are done clientside (hence packet sniffing and delaying -modifying-copy-pasteing wh chat packets-copy-pasteing after gate jumping cloak packets....something in line).If eve clients controls those things-its bad!
your combining a bit of discussion from Kug's site, and the speculation from the russian forums, unfortunately, thats all it is, speculation, as clearly demonstrated on said Kug's site no form of manipulation could reliably be created.
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romek mablung
Caldari
OWS Research and Development
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Posted - 2010.04.20 21:08:00 -
[345]
The thing is..supposedly abuse like this are reported SEVERAL times past 2 years,no response,no fix.Might be the case-CCP logs dont show the fine difference:player (for clearity,lets call him client,as he is client to ccp servers)..client enters system node....with local chat node (i read from russian forum,CCP chats sits at different nodes from local graphics-npc-ect)lagging behind..lets say 60-300 sec....like 0.0 uber fleetbattle laggs.Seems perfect to server..it probably happens in 0.0,all kind of weird laggs.Also...clients have some..status(invis),while jumping in from gate,or from wh.But in this case-the invisibility status passes beyond that 30 sec timer....whynot for server..another laggissue.Also...those abusers somehow manage to jump to 0 to cloaked safespot ships/deepspace ships/warping off ships!sick!(at warp endpoint).I read-similar bugs happened to people.when entering system-all system npc warpable to 0,till session change (restart-dock ect).Or they just have plain chat zero hack,and do usual combat probe scanning-warp to 0-point-warp gang in.
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Grath Telkin
Amarr
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.04.20 21:10:00 -
[346]
Edited by: Grath Telkin on 20/04/2010 21:15:26
Edited by: Grath Telkin on 20/04/2010 21:11:15
Also, the EVE Ru thread has broken out in Journey.
EDIT: Wisdoom, lighten up bro
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Thatkidnamedrocky
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.04.20 21:12:00 -
[347]
couldnt this monkey guy be killing these macro ratters and making billions off of them and selling this isk?
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Orephia
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Posted - 2010.04.20 21:15:00 -
[348]
the poasters offering the injection 'theory' earlier, now appear to have some credibility? something else said was:
"a new UI via injection that we use to give us better FPS (the UI is the cause of most FPS drop in Eve) and control in fleet fights and in roaming gangs"
seems the client may need to be rewritten for more than just patching this no-local exploit. a new UI in the need for speed has already been realized, but not by our devs? |
Flinx Evenstar
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.04.20 21:18:00 -
[349]
Originally by: Thatkidnamedrocky
couldnt this monkey guy be killing these macro ratters and making billions off of them and selling this isk?
Confirming he has already been contacted by cartels, as his method of farming has a much higher rate of deadspace and officer loot drop than the inferior macro bot
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Grath Telkin
Amarr
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.04.20 21:19:00 -
[350]
Originally by: Orephia
the poasters offering the injection 'theory' earlier, now appear to have some credibility? something else said was:
"a new UI via injection that we use to give us better FPS (the UI is the cause of most FPS drop in Eve) and control in fleet fights and in roaming gangs"
seems the client may need to be rewritten for more than just patching this no-local exploit. a new UI in the need for speed has already been realized, but not by our devs?
I have some lovely waterfront property for sale.
Boat access, has its own bridge.
Its cheap, you look like just the kinda guy that could make it go places.
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MisterAl tt1
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Posted - 2010.04.20 21:20:00 -
[351]
New screenshot from those able to reproduce the bug:
http://dump.ru/file/4535265
Originally posted here: http://forum.eve-ru.com/index.php?s=&showtopic=43109&view=findpost&p=883448
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Bloedkopp
Minmatar
Nekkid Inc.
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Posted - 2010.04.20 21:21:00 -
[352]
Originally by: Thatkidnamedrocky
couldnt this monkey guy be killing these macro ratters and making billions off of them and selling this isk?
He is already doing that and with his new richness he will ride into the sunset ...
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slackjawed
Sniggerdly
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Posted - 2010.04.20 21:23:00 -
[353]
Edited by: slackjawed on 20/04/2010 21:23:03
more proof of that damn hacker
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Orephia
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Posted - 2010.04.20 21:26:00 -
[354]
Originally by: Grath Telkin
I have some lovely ...
well, maybe if it comes with a russian bride 
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Huhuhuhuhuhuh
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Posted - 2010.04.20 21:26:00 -
[355]
Originally by: slackjawed
Edited by: slackjawed on 20/04/2010 21:23:03
more proof of that damn hacker
It doesnt work this way. Exploiter is disconnected from local channel, ergo he is unable to see or send any messages.
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Dmitri Harkonnen
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Posted - 2010.04.20 21:32:00 -
[356]
Edited by: Dmitri Harkonnen on 20/04/2010 21:35:57
Edited by: Dmitri Harkonnen on 20/04/2010 21:33:03
Originally by: Huhuhuhuhuhuh
Originally by: slackjawed
Edited by: slackjawed on 20/04/2010 21:23:03
more proof of that damn hacker
It doesnt work this way. Exploiter is disconnected from local channel, ergo he is unable to see or send any messages.
The point is - noone sees him in local too.
He can scan/probe others, but no one is aware that new ship has entered the local (because he didn't) - but he indeed entered the system (without joining the local channel).
P.S. yes, I see now - on the last pic there are messages in local. Strange.
P.P.S. slackjawed's "proof" is fake, I guess.
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MisterAl tt1
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Posted - 2010.04.20 21:34:00 -
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You are looking at the wrong "proof". Look at my post with the link on this page.
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Zelda Wei
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Posted - 2010.04.20 21:42:00 -
[358]
Look more closely at the screen shot.
The local channel is for Oshaima not for the Yria.
Why has the timestamp been cropped?
Why are the boarders on the chat windows different? The top border on the left hand instance chat window has a white shadow at the top, which isn't present on the right hand instance. The left hand border of the left instance is also wider and has a blur on it.
I call fake.
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Betankur
Solar Dragons
SOLAR FLEET
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Posted - 2010.04.20 21:45:00 -
[359]
Edited by: Betankur on 20/04/2010 21:45:42
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Stygian Knight
Blood Covenant
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.04.20 21:46:00 -
[360]
this thread is full of win
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