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SuperTight5
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Posted - 2010.04.19 10:40:00 -
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First of all, I play more than 5 years and know the rules, especially concerning ratting in 0.0
I was ratting in belt in dead-end system with empty local, my scout was in nearby system at the gate. Suddenly, three negatives from Pandemic Legion appeared in local (wormhole?) and within 2 seconds I hit warp to safe spot. But in the next second 2 ships appeared near me (not warped in, just appeared!) and I got scrambled and popped.
So, how is this possible, to lock a ship at random belt within 3 seconds after entering local? Even login trap would take much more time.
Is it exploit, or it is possible with legitimate tactic?
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Gunnanmon
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2010.04.19 10:57:00 -
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Were you at the beacon of the belt you were in? They might have randomly warped to some belts, and pure luck resulted in your demise. Signature locked for discussing moderation. Navigator
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Flap jak
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2010.04.19 11:02:00 -
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Originally by: SuperTight5 First of all, I play more than 5 years and know the rules, especially concerning ratting in 0.0
I was ratting in belt in dead-end system with empty local, my scout was in nearby system at the gate. Suddenly, three negatives from Pandemic Legion appeared in local (wormhole?) and within 2 seconds I hit warp to safe spot. But in the next second 2 ships appeared near me (not warped in, just appeared!) and I got scrambled and popped.
So, how is this possible, to lock a ship at random belt within 3 seconds after entering local? Even login trap would take much more time.
Is it exploit, or it is possible with legitimate tactic?
Have you tried asking them? there is probably a very reasonable answer to your question.
my guess is they were lucky. __
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Merouk Baas
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.04.19 11:02:00 -
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Your scout is spy.
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SuperTight5
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Posted - 2010.04.19 11:02:00 -
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Originally by: Gunnanmon Were you at the beacon of the belt you were in? They might have randomly warped to some belts, and pure luck resulted in your demise.
You can take the fastest interceptor and try to warp to closest belt in any system. And it will take MUCH more time than 3 seconds. Also, as I said the ships did not warp in, but just appeared near me (like decloaked but without decloaking sound effect)
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Serpents smile
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Posted - 2010.04.19 11:05:00 -
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Originally by: SuperTight5 Also, as I said the ships did not warp in, but just appeared near me (like decloaked but without decloaking sound effect)
Login trap?
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Gunnanmon
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2010.04.19 11:08:00 -
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Originally by: Serpents smile
Originally by: SuperTight5 Also, as I said the ships did not warp in, but just appeared near me (like decloaked but without decloaking sound effect)
Login trap?
They would still have had to warp in (albeit automatically), surely. Signature locked for discussing moderation. Navigator
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HIghlord Diamond
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Posted - 2010.04.19 11:08:00 -
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Sounds to me like you may have experienced some sort of connection time out, your browser not updating events and not refreshing local. They could have been in the system for maybe whole 20-30 secs before the local actually showed it. Did you noticed anything else unusual like ammo in your guns no dropping or a rat not taking damage for your weapons anymore?
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Cpt Branko
Retired Pirate Club
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Posted - 2010.04.19 11:12:00 -
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Sounds like a login trap.
Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint |
Steve Celeste
Caldari Inglorious-Basterds
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Posted - 2010.04.19 11:28:00 -
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Originally by: Cpt Branko Sounds like a login trap.
How would they know when to spring the trap when they dont have anyone in local?
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Gypsio III
Dirty Filthy Perverts
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Posted - 2010.04.19 12:20:00 -
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Local as an instant source of perfect intel isn't an exploit, it only feels that way.
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SuperTight5
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Posted - 2010.04.19 12:31:00 -
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Originally by: HIghlord Diamond Sounds to me like you may have experienced some sort of connection time out, your browser not updating events and not refreshing local. They could have been in the system for maybe whole 20-30 secs before the local actually showed it. Did you noticed anything else unusual like ammo in your guns no dropping or a rat not taking damage for your weapons anymore?
No, everything was just fine, but now I'm thinking they somehow managed to delay their appearance in local (like in wormholes), but still it does not explain how they spawned near me (not warp in, but instant spawn).
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SuperTight5
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Posted - 2010.04.19 12:36:00 -
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Originally by: Merouk Baas Your scout is spy.
There was only me in the system and the scout was me on another account in nearby system.
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Space Pinata
Amarr Discount Napkin Industries
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Posted - 2010.04.19 12:38:00 -
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Methinks you weren't paying attention.
They appeared in the belt two seconds after you SAW them in local. Stop assuming your own attention span was infallible.
If people could hax teleport anywhere in the game and onto anyone they wanted, they'd surely be using this ability for much more than ganking some guy in a battleship. (Or whatever you were in. I'm going to say since two people killed it, it wasn't a huge deal. At least, not compared to the opportunities someone 'teleporting in anywhere' could manage) |
Gunnanmon
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2010.04.19 12:38:00 -
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Originally by: SuperTight5
Originally by: Merouk Baas Your scout is spy.
There was only me in the system and the scout was me on another account in nearby system.
Were you spying on yourself? Maybe you're not trustworthy. Signature locked for discussing moderation. Navigator
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SuperTight5
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Posted - 2010.04.19 12:56:00 -
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Originally by: Space Pinata Methinks you weren't paying attention. They appeared in the belt two seconds after you SAW them in local. Stop assuming your own attention span was infallible.
I can assure you, I was paying attention to local, because I remember clearly the moment when the local changed from "me only" to "3 more" (of course, now you might say that I'm ******ed person, who has memory disorders). I know what I saw and it was not like anything else seen in 5+ years of gameplay.
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Zaerlorth Maelkor
The Maverick Navy IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.04.19 12:59:00 -
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Local doesn't always update instantaneously However, you might want to consider a few things, first of all; I now have one of those annoying sigs. second; you should probably move on to some more interesting things than reading this sig.
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Esu Nahalas
The Night Corporation
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Posted - 2010.04.19 13:02:00 -
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Originally by: Gunnanmon
Originally by: SuperTight5
Originally by: Merouk Baas Your scout is spy.
There was only me in the system and the scout was me on another account in nearby system.
Were you spying on yourself? Maybe you're not trustworthy.
This is EVE. Trust no one.
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Sabrosa Namaste
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Posted - 2010.04.19 13:03:00 -
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was it the monkeysphere or lol internets ?
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SuperTight5
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Posted - 2010.04.19 13:04:00 -
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Originally by: Sabrosa Namaste was it the monkeysphere or lol internets ?
Yes.
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Lady Spank
Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta
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Posted - 2010.04.19 13:17:00 -
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Originally by: SuperTight5
Originally by: Sabrosa Namaste was it the monkeysphere or lol internets ?
Yes.
LMAO I knew that before I had to scroll down. ~
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Sabrosa Namaste
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Posted - 2010.04.19 13:18:00 -
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Originally by: SuperTight5
Originally by: Sabrosa Namaste was it the monkeysphere or lol internets ?
Yes.
well as someone who was in PL for a long time (and I probably wont remain anonymous for long) the monkeysphere has long been known to not appear in local, story goes his internet was crappy (from estonia) and after some research he somehow figured out how to make his connection to the eve server without appearing in local, he's been killing unkillable farmers for years, and does it without appearing in local on either of his chars, go look at his history of kills on the PL killboard and you'll see what I mean, the rumours about this started in PL 2 or so years ago, If I'm wrong then my bad but from what I've seen I was pretty convinced of his ability to not appear in local.
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Slade Trillgon
Endless Possibilities Inc. Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.04.19 13:26:00 -
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Could it be, by some odd chance or by many of lifes numerous potential distractions, that your percetion of time is scewed by more then a few seconds?
I know this is an ass of a question, but I had to ask either way.
Slade
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MisterAl tt1
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Posted - 2010.04.19 13:33:00 -
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It looks like you are talking about them:
http://eve-kill.net/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=44826
Look at the KB and forget about "login traps" of "fast scan". No legal techic allows to be THAT fast so many times in line.
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The174'driver
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Posted - 2010.04.19 13:37:00 -
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It's monkeysphere that uses no-local exploit. Here's 27-page discussion thread about it on eve-ru
http://forum.eve-ru.com/index.php?showtopic=43109&st=504
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woarus
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Posted - 2010.04.19 13:40:00 -
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Edited by: woarus on 19/04/2010 13:43:36 it my petition about this problem
Hello, For period of 4 days one group of players: ( Monkeysphere, lol internets, Goose Hypocrisy) two times destroy mine ship golem in system k85y-6 (kill information I attache on the letter) In both cases I hunting in belts, and both times after I saw occurrence of the enemy in a local chat I give to the ship command to go on the POS - all skills for manoeuvrability, jumping, etc of the ship are on level 5. Always in similar cases I easy go to the POS with a lots of free time, but here in both cases killers block mine ship in 10 seconds since the moment of the killers occurrence in a local chat. Distance from belts to gate from they was appear (the system ltt-ap) holds nearby 56 au it's about 40 seconds to fly. After the first attack I had a thought that is not fairly, after destruction of mine 2nd ship I am precisely assured now that the player what that detains in the image an exit of the data about its occurrence in system in a local chat with its time actual a finding in it
In this connection I ask to investigate in the present state of affairs, to take measures and to compensate destruction of my ships and implantants (at present the sum of my damage from these 2 cases make about 25 billion isk)
Also I make search in internet and have conversation with another players, who was meet same killers early to me, what they are have same situation and has writing many petitions
Example:
DrillerForm 2009-06-17 - Look at the monkeysphere and lol internets kills today (or any day) ... 5 ratters in 40 minutes in 4 different systems and than tell me there is nothing suspicious about it ... It smells like exploiting to me heh 2009-06-17 - He ganked a friend of mine once. The guy said he de-cloaked next to him 10 secs after appearing in local.
http://forum.eve-ru.com/index.php?s=&showtopic=27673&view=findpost&p=724319
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The Monkeysphere
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.04.19 13:44:00 -
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Macroers and isk sellers should not preach :colbert:
Just check your logs, they show everything. If you didn't macro you'd know what I'm doing is perfectly fine.
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Crumplecorn
Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2010.04.19 13:45:00 -
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Quote: figured out how to make his connection to the eve server without appearing in local
Relevant to my interests. -
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Amberlamps
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Posted - 2010.04.19 13:50:00 -
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Originally by: woarus Edited by: woarus on 19/04/2010 13:43:36 it my petition about this problem
Hello, For period of 4 days one group of players: ( Monkeysphere, lol internets, Goose Hypocrisy) two times destroy mine ship golem in system k85y-6 (kill information I attache on the letter) In both cases I hunting in belts, and both times after I saw occurrence of the enemy in a local chat I give to the ship command to go on the POS - all skills for manoeuvrability, jumping, etc of the ship are on level 5. Always in similar cases I easy go to the POS with a lots of free time, but here in both cases killers block mine ship in 10 seconds since the moment of the killers occurrence in a local chat. Distance from belts to gate from they was appear (the system ltt-ap) holds nearby 56 au it's about 40 seconds to fly. After the first attack I had a thought that is not fairly, after destruction of mine 2nd ship I am precisely assured now that the player what that detains in the image an exit of the data about its occurrence in system in a local chat with its time actual a finding in it
In this connection I ask to investigate in the present state of affairs, to take measures and to compensate destruction of my ships and implantants (at present the sum of my damage from these 2 cases make about 25 billion isk)
Also I make search in internet and have conversation with another players, who was meet same killers early to me, what they are have same situation and has writing many petitions
Example:
DrillerForm 2009-06-17 - Look at the monkeysphere and lol internets kills today (or any day) ... 5 ratters in 40 minutes in 4 different systems and than tell me there is nothing suspicious about it ... It smells like exploiting to me heh 2009-06-17 - He ganked a friend of mine once. The guy said he de-cloaked next to him 10 secs after appearing in local.
http://forum.eve-ru.com/index.php?s=&showtopic=27673&view=findpost&p=724319
I thought google translate was better than that.
In soviet russia, belts rat you!
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Nata Asphyxia
Shadow Kingdom Ultima Rati0
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Posted - 2010.04.19 13:53:00 -
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Originally by: Amberlamps
I thought google translate was better than that.
In soviet russia, belts rat you!
In Soviet Russia we don't use Google Translate, because comrade Medvedev doesn't allow us to use foreign translators. We only use PROMT.
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MisterAl tt1
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Posted - 2010.04.19 13:56:00 -
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BTW. Some people got answers to their petitions in the style of "logs are clear". I suppose it is not logged, if a pilot is in the chat, but it is loged when the one is in the system. So they simply dont appear in the local (using some bug) and is no way to prove it.
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ebta blin
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Posted - 2010.04.19 13:57:00 -
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I assume this requires a bit of coding. Guess no-local is already public domain and release of the source code wont hurt anyone.
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Nata Asphyxia
Shadow Kingdom Ultima Rati0
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Posted - 2010.04.19 14:01:00 -
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Originally by: Sabrosa Namaste well as someone who was in PL for a long time (and I probably wont remain anonymous for long) the monkeysphere has long been known to not appear in local, story goes his internet was crappy (from estonia) and after some research he somehow figured out how to make his connection to the eve server without appearing in local, he's been killing unkillable farmers for years, and does it without appearing in local on either of his chars, go look at his history of kills on the PL killboard and you'll see what I mean, the rumours about this started in PL 2 or so years ago, If I'm wrong then my bad but from what I've seen I was pretty convinced of his ability to not appear in local.
Cool story bro. I can assure you that here, in Estonia we have pretty good connection (proof) I live far from town in a private house and still have my 12Mbit/s, probably will have switched to 100Mbit/s by 2011.
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Lady Spank
Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta
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Posted - 2010.04.19 14:02:00 -
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Just include a bit of code to activate fraps when a hostile ship / lock is detected into your ratting macro then show this evidence to CCP next time you try and get your stuff back. I'm sure it will show no hostiles in local ~_~ ~
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MisterAl tt1
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Posted - 2010.04.19 14:10:00 -
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Originally by: Lady Spank Just include a bit of code to activate fraps when a hostile ship / lock is detected into your ratting macro then show this evidence to CCP next time you try and get your stuff back. I'm sure it will show no hostiles in local ~_~
It looks like everyone was silent while only macro-runners were in danger. But now he started to kill all he founds and here it comes.
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Nata Asphyxia
Shadow Kingdom Ultima Rati0
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Posted - 2010.04.19 14:22:00 -
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Originally by: MisterAl tt1
Originally by: Lady Spank Just include a bit of code to activate fraps when a hostile ship / lock is detected into your ratting macro then show this evidence to CCP next time you try and get your stuff back. I'm sure it will show no hostiles in local ~_~
It looks like everyone was silent while only macro-runners were in danger. But now he started to kill all he founds and here it comes.
It looks like someone who doesn't know anything has read thread on russian forum. But now he started to repost guesses without any evidence and here it comes, meet bad posting.
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Mega Docent
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Posted - 2010.04.19 14:24:00 -
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People! It's simple to understand, that without cheat impossible to kill so many bots. It's impossible to kill so many bots in so small time period. And on this ship. Just check KM on his KB. And think a lot.
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woarus
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Posted - 2010.04.19 14:30:00 -
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My English is poor, but it does not change a situation. There is use exploit, when scramb me 5-10 secs after appearing in local chat. doesn't matter where at moment in belt or complex
http://fsb.eve-kill.net/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=44826
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Ghost Wisperer
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Posted - 2010.04.19 14:31:00 -
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Originally by: Mega Docent People! It's simple to understand, that without cheat impossible to kill so many bots. It's impossible to kill so many bots in so small time period. And on this ship. Just check KM on his KB. And think a lot.
99.99% of those reading this board won't bother unless you provide a link and some analysis of your own.
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MegaDocent's Trader
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Posted - 2010.04.19 14:35:00 -
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I think, that he kill Russian pilots, because he think, that we don't know English and cannot write here.
Also one bot owner say, that cheat user demand a payment. And he think, that some bot owners pay to cheat user.
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Lady Spank
Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta
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Posted - 2010.04.19 14:42:00 -
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Originally by: MegaDocent's Trader I think, that he kill Russian pilots, because he think, that we don't know English and cannot write here.
Also one bot owner say, that cheat user demand a payment. And he think, that some bot owners pay to cheat user.
I like how you imply macro ratting isn't cheating.
The amount of ratting cloak ravens/golems I encounter down in Curse/Stain is incredible. Most of these appear to be Russian characters. I'm not implying anything here, just working off what I have seen in game.
Considering these macros tend to be performing the same actions, someone dedicated to killing them is going to eventually figure out consistent techniques for doing so. ~
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Thabokka
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Posted - 2010.04.19 14:45:00 -
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Bots are usually chinease
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woarus
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Posted - 2010.04.19 14:47:00 -
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https://www.pandemic-legion.com/killboard/view_pilot.php?id=The%20Monkeysphere
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Ais Hellia
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Posted - 2010.04.19 14:52:00 -
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Originally by: Lady Spank
Originally by: MegaDocent's Trader I think, that he kill Russian pilots, because he think, that we don't know English and cannot write here.
Also one bot owner say, that cheat user demand a payment. And he think, that some bot owners pay to cheat user.
I like how you imply macro ratting isn't cheating.
The amount of ratting cloak ravens/golems I encounter down in Curse/Stain is incredible. Most of these appear to be Russian characters. I'm not implying anything here, just working off what I have seen in game.
"When the ****s came for the communists, I remained silent; I was not a communist.
When they locked up the social democrats, I remained silent; I was not a social democrat.
When they came for the trade unionists, I did not speak out; I was not a trade unionist.
When they came for the Jews, I remained silent; I wasn't a Jew.
When they came for me, there was no one left to speak out." Martin Niem÷ller
i wonder what you will tell when lolmonkey kills your cloacked falcon on a safe spot
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The Monkeysphere
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.04.19 14:55:00 -
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You must be talking about the SE Falcon that was abandoned in a safespot, in Feythabolis. You can't cloak a ship and then eject, you know. It's shocking.
Read the EVE-Ru thread: I already explained it there and I'm sure the Stain Empire pilot would gladly remember it if he flexed his neural muscles a bit.
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Lady Spank
Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta
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Posted - 2010.04.19 14:56:00 -
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Edited by: Lady Spank on 19/04/2010 14:56:53 Monkey said it better :P ~
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Nata Asphyxia
Shadow Kingdom Ultima Rati0
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Posted - 2010.04.19 14:56:00 -
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Originally by: Ais Hellia
i wonder what you will tell when lolmonkey kills your cloacked falcon on a safe spot
I wonder why would someone want to leave a cloaked falcon afking on a safe spot in an empty system :o
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Rakshasa Taisab
Caldari Sane Industries Inc. Initiative Mercenaries
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Posted - 2010.04.19 14:57:00 -
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Don't worry OP, in a short time the bot coders will have figured out the exploit he's using and release a fixed version.
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Ais Hellia
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Posted - 2010.04.19 14:59:00 -
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Originally by: Lady Spank Edited by: Lady Spank on 19/04/2010 14:56:53 Monkey said it better :P
so you r sure he doesn't use his hacks against you? you know he kills not only bot-users
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Lady Spank
Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta
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Posted - 2010.04.19 15:01:00 -
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Originally by: Ais Hellia
Originally by: Lady Spank Edited by: Lady Spank on 19/04/2010 14:56:53 Monkey said it better :P
so you r sure he doesn't use his hacks against you? you know he kills not only bot-users
The monkeysphere has never used hacks against me. ~
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Amberlamps
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Posted - 2010.04.19 15:02:00 -
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Edited by: Amberlamps on 19/04/2010 15:03:26
Originally by: The Monkeysphere You must be talking about the SE Falcon that was abandoned in a safespot, in Feythabolis. You can't cloak a ship and then eject, you know. It's shocking.
Read the EVE-Ru thread: I already explained it there and I'm sure the Stain Empire pilot would gladly remember it if he flexed his neural muscles a bit.
Look if anything Monkeysphere the only thing you are doing here is making Pandemic Legion look damn awesome.
The way the character who is complaining has spoken it sounds like he is ****ed off that his script has failed to emergency warp when you have appeared. I mean to me it sounds like he has admitted to being a script kiddie and wants answers from CCP why he "I macro button" isn't working?
Keep up the good work Monkeysphere.
Edit: if he is scripting and he blatantly is, how would he know how long you have been in local for? Why would you macro and watch over the screen.
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MAKC MAXHO
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Posted - 2010.04.19 15:02:00 -
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I did not like what someone has arrogated to itself the rights of God. Not having any reason for it. This is a game of one-sided. There are safety rules for life in the 0.0. If you are killed - it means you are either consciously went for it, or violated the rules. Against the Monkey the rules are not valid. The massive use of these same things will lead to an outflow of people from the zeros and possibly low.
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Ais Hellia
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Posted - 2010.04.19 15:05:00 -
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Originally by: Lady Spank
Originally by: Ais Hellia
Originally by: Lady Spank Edited by: Lady Spank on 19/04/2010 14:56:53 Monkey said it better :P
so you r sure he doesn't use his hacks against you? you know he kills not only bot-users
The monkeysphere has never used hacks against me.
i can believe this
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Amberlamps
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Posted - 2010.04.19 15:09:00 -
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Originally by: MAKC MAXHO I did not like what someone has arrogated to itself the rights of God. Not having any reason for it. This is a game of one-sided. There are safety rules for life in the 0.0. If you are killed - it means you are either consciously went for it, or violated the rules. Against the Monkey the rules are not valid. The massive use of these same things will lead to an outflow of people from the zeros and possibly low.
j00R t3xt M4K32 4lM05t 42 mUcH 53N23 42 t3h w4y I h4v3 wRiTt3N THi2 R35p0n23 T0 J00r k0nC3rn2. I h3R38y d3cl4r3 j00 h4v3 R3C3iV3d -1 8I9 L4n P0INt2.
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Nata Asphyxia
Shadow Kingdom Ultima Rati0
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Posted - 2010.04.19 15:14:00 -
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Originally by: Amberlamps
j00R t3xt M4K32 4lM05t 42 mUcH 53N23 42 t3h w4y I h4v3 wRiTt3N THi2 R35p0n23 T0 J00r k0nC3rn2. I h3R38y d3cl4r3 j00 h4v3 R3C3iV3d -1 8I9 L4n P0INt2.
LucK1lY, 1 5P34k l337
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penifSMASH
ElitistOps Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.04.19 15:17:00 -
[56]
Macro injustice ITT
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baltec1
Antares Shipyards Aeternus.
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Posted - 2010.04.19 15:21:00 -
[57]
I approve of said destruction and would like to sign up to the monkey mans product and/or service.
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Amberlamps
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Posted - 2010.04.19 15:23:00 -
[58]
Originally by: Nata Asphyxia LucK1lY, 1 5P34k l337
7h@'2 s0 H07
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MAKC MAXHO
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Posted - 2010.04.19 15:25:00 -
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Originally by: Amberlamps
j00R t3xt M4K32 4lM05t 42 mUcH 53N23 42 t3h w4y I h4v3 wRiTt3N THi2 R35p0n23 T0 J00r k0nC3rn2. I h3R38y d3cl4r3 j00 h4v3 R3C3iV3d -1 8I9 L4n P0INt2.
HuxpeHa He IIoH9lJl, Ho cB9lTo BePIO, 4To cka3aJl 4To-To yMHoe. :)
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Lady Karma
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Posted - 2010.04.19 15:33:00 -
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Edited by: Lady Karma on 19/04/2010 15:34:39
Originally by: Mega Docent Edited by: Mega Docent on 19/04/2010 14:30:32 People! It's simple to understand, that without cheat impossible to kill so many bots. It's impossible to kill so many bots in so small time period. And on this ship. Just check KM on his KB. And think a lot. Bots (and people that have a small experiences) automatically warp from belts. Only way to kill them - login trap. And it's impossible to do so many trap in short period. PVP pilots know, how hard to kill hunters. And this man have an "I win" button.
ITT we discover that the bot farmers macro is not infallible.
The OP is missing out a key part of the story, or maybe he wasn't at his computer when monkey first entered local, and the farmers ship auto logged off. Then the evil monkey found his wrecks and went and sat in the same belt, then logged off himself.
You can't keep a farmer away from his precious rats for long, so after he logged back in, using a powerful spell known as the address book, the haxzor monkey knew his prey would be landing in the same belt he was in, and logged in. Scramble, pew pew, dead macro farmer.
There is a delay in updating local when you log in. Sometimes in order to catch macro bots, you have to use dirty log on tricks
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Amberlamps
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Posted - 2010.04.19 15:35:00 -
[61]
Originally by: MAKC MAXHO
Originally by: Amberlamps
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HuxpeHa He IIoH9lJl, Ho cB9lTo BePIO, 4To cka3aJl 4To-To yMHoe. :)
Please stop with your jibberish, we don't respect that sort of arse gravy.
In the end... I think this has been a very good advertisement for one of the coolest players I am now are of on Eve... MonkeySphere, I will now look up to him and follow in his footsteps for when I want to get rid or **** off some russians.
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Mister GTC
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Posted - 2010.04.19 15:37:00 -
[62]
So, is this an actual Eve exploit or is this an exploit of macro scripts? Just curious.
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Blood Ghost
Caldari State 1st Protectorate
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Posted - 2010.04.19 15:40:00 -
[63]
Going on what somebody has said my connection is pretty bad, and sometimes my character disappears from local (and all chat channels in fact). IÆve never been able to reproduce it (always happens accidently) but the petition I filed ages back simply suggested relogging.
Having said that everyone who has me as a buddy sees me go red (offline), so IÆd imagine exploiting it will show up in the logs.
Originally by: CCP Shadow
It's over, Prime. *click*
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Ded MATAP
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Posted - 2010.04.19 15:59:00 -
[64]
Hmm...
I've never meet this guys, but something look fishy to me. Look at The Monkeysphere killboard.
The Monkeysphere
Not only he have kill/death ratio around 35/1 also he kill his victims very alike. There is always Machariel, there is always Arazu, and there is always Curse. So goes for pilots. There is same 3 people in every kill.
Now this look very spooky to me... Something really wrong.
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Mistral Sud
Minmatar Black Box Corp.
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Posted - 2010.04.19 16:00:00 -
[65]
Originally by: Lady Karma Edited by: Lady Karma on 19/04/2010 15:34:39
Then the evil monkey found his wrecks and went and sat in the same belt, then logged off himself.
You can't keep a farmer away from his precious rats for long, so after he logged back in, using a powerful spell known as the address book, the haxzor monkey knew his prey would be landing in the same belt he was in, and logged in. Scramble, pew pew, dead macro farmer.
There is a delay in updating local when you log in. Sometimes in order to catch macro bots, you have to use dirty log on tricks
hehe cool one bro! thats legit :P poor macros :P
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Zofran
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Posted - 2010.04.19 16:01:00 -
[66]
Hey cool lets just accuse people directly of cheating/exploiting.
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Lady Spank
Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta
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Posted - 2010.04.19 16:04:00 -
[67]
Originally by: Ded MATAP Hmm...
I've never meet this guys, but something look fishy to me. Look at The Monkeysphere killboard.
The Monkeysphere
Not only he have kill/death ratio around 35/1 also he kill his victims very alike. There is always Machariel, there is always Arazu, and there is always Curse. So goes for pilots. There is same 3 people in every kill.
Now this look very spooky to me... Something really wrong.
He has a technique that works consistently. What exactly is wrong with that? ~
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Dmitri Harkonnen
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Posted - 2010.04.19 16:11:00 -
[68]
Dead simple: Fraps it.
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Ded MATAP
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Posted - 2010.04.19 16:14:00 -
[69]
Originally by: Lady Spank
Originally by: Ded MATAP Hmm...
I've never meet this guys, but something look fishy to me. Look at The Monkeysphere killboard.
The Monkeysphere
Not only he have kill/death ratio around 35/1 also he kill his victims very alike. There is always Machariel, there is always Arazu, and there is always Curse. So goes for pilots. There is same 3 people in every kill.
Now this look very spooky to me... Something really wrong.
He has a technique that works consistently. What exactly is wrong with that?
Technique that works consistently is what exactly wrong with it. This look like "Sure Win" strategy against almost any target. But this is EVE, and things like that is quite unbelivable here.
Depending on my own PvP experience this look impossible.
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Lee Kin
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Posted - 2010.04.19 16:14:00 -
[70]
He runs a hack that masks him in local until he engages you. You have to put your scout in an observe spot on the incoming gate so you can see him land on your gate. It is the only way to see him coming so you have to pay really close attention to it.
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Flinx Evenstar
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.04.19 16:17:00 -
[71]
If you say his name three times in a row, Monkeysphere will appear next to you, and kill your golem --- Witness epic fleet battles in Dominion
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Amberlamps
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Posted - 2010.04.19 16:27:00 -
[72]
Edited by: Amberlamps on 19/04/2010 16:28:51
Originally by: Flinx Evenstar If you say his name three times in a row, Monkeysphere will appear next to you, and kill your golem
Monkeysphere, Monkeysphere, Monkey.... Oh **** I can't do it I'm too scared!!
Originally by: Lee Kin He runs a hack that masks him in local until he engages you. You have to put your scout in an observe spot on the incoming gate so you can see him land on your gate. It is the only way to see him coming so you have to pay really close attention to it.
...and to you sir, I refer you to this article. Proof
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The Monkeysphere
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.04.19 16:29:00 -
[73]
Originally by: Flinx Evenstar If you say his name three times in a row, Monkeysphere will appear next to you, and kill your golem
Now I have studied philosophy, medicine and the law, and unfortunately, killed numerous Ravens, wearily sweating, yet I stand now, poor fool, no wiser than I was before; I am called Monkeysphere, even Doctor, and for these last ten years have led my students by the nose--up, down, crosswise and crooked. Now I see that we must kill Golems finally.
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SIWETH
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Posted - 2010.04.19 16:32:00 -
[74]
Originally by: Steve Celeste
Originally by: Cpt Branko Sounds like a login trap.
How would they know when to spring the trap when they dont have anyone in local?
now here comes the quandry.
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sakana
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.04.19 16:46:00 -
[75]
Originally by: Ded MATAP Hmm...
I've never meet this guys, but something look fishy to me. Look at The Monkeysphere killboard.
The Monkeysphere
Not only he have kill/death ratio around 35/1 also he kill his victims very alike. There is always Machariel, there is always Arazu, and there is always Curse. So goes for pilots. There is same 3 people in every kill.
Now this look very spooky to me... Something really wrong.
oh god, you are really, really dumb
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Slade Trillgon
Endless Possibilities Inc. Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.04.19 16:46:00 -
[76]
Originally by: Ded MATAP
Originally by: Lady Spank
Originally by: Ded MATAP Hmm...
I've never meet this guys, but something look fishy to me. Look at The Monkeysphere killboard.
The Monkeysphere
Not only he have kill/death ratio around 35/1 also he kill his victims very alike. There is always Machariel, there is always Arazu, and there is always Curse. So goes for pilots. There is same 3 people in every kill.
Now this look very spooky to me... Something really wrong.
He has a technique that works consistently. What exactly is wrong with that?
Technique that works consistently is what exactly wrong with it. This look like "Sure Win" strategy against almost any target. But this is EVE, and things like that is quite unbelivable here.
Depending on my own PvP experience this look impossible.
I would bet, if I knew how to write macro scripts, that there is a way to get your macro to avoid login traps. But I will not post my thoughts on this ever
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Amberlamps
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Posted - 2010.04.19 16:47:00 -
[77]
Originally by: SIWETH
Originally by: Steve Celeste
Originally by: Cpt Branko Sounds like a login trap.
How would they know when to spring the trap when they dont have anyone in local?
now here comes the quandry.
I believe most people in monkeyspheres position have more than one character or at least a co operative participant in his actions and I also believe most people understand the concept of the address book.
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SIWETH
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Posted - 2010.04.19 16:48:00 -
[78]
Originally by: Dmitri Harkonnen Dead simple: Fraps it.
then post it on irc?
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SIWETH
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Posted - 2010.04.19 16:53:00 -
[79]
Originally by: Amberlamps
Originally by: SIWETH
Originally by: Steve Celeste
Originally by: Cpt Branko Sounds like a login trap.
How would they know when to spring the trap when they dont have anyone in local?
now here comes the quandry.
I believe most people in monkeyspheres position have more than one character or at least a co operative participant in his actions and I also believe most people understand the concept of the address book.
ok beleivable, but looking from the outside you have an insider and i don't beleive he's(the op) a macroer, he just ****ed you off with game mechanics and you had to "kill" him. if he's a macroer he deserves it.
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Lee Kin
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Posted - 2010.04.19 16:54:00 -
[80]
A long time ago, in a patch far, far away, there was a bug that allowed you to log out of local chat. "Was" may perhaps be a strong word in this case. Just be sure to put your scout on grid with your gate or you will find an arazu 35-40 clicks off and a machariel soon after :P Watched him move for several jumps and it is flawless. It may have one weakness that is if you enter local after him, but not very practical in your case.
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Ded MATAP
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Posted - 2010.04.19 16:56:00 -
[81]
Originally by: sakana
Originally by: Ded MATAP Hmm...
I've never meet this guys, but something look fishy to me. Look at The Monkeysphere killboard.
The Monkeysphere
Not only he have kill/death ratio around 35/1 also he kill his victims very alike. There is always Machariel, there is always Arazu, and there is always Curse. So goes for pilots. There is same 3 people in every kill.
Now this look very spooky to me... Something really wrong.
oh god, you are really, really dumb
You address to god, right? If not - this is offence.
Oh... You just protect your ally-mate... Why? Do you think he need it?
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Dmitri Harkonnen
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Posted - 2010.04.19 16:57:00 -
[82]
Originally by: SIWETH
Originally by: Dmitri Harkonnen Dead simple: Fraps it.
then post it on irc?
Wha?
Video is the strongest proof we can have in this situation, imo.
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Amberlamps
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Posted - 2010.04.19 16:58:00 -
[83]
Originally by: SIWETH
Originally by: Dmitri Harkonnen Dead simple: Fraps it.
then post it on irc?
Dude, only hackers use IRC. It's like, like having 2 ships trading drugs in the ocean, no trace mate.
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Certero
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Posted - 2010.04.19 17:07:00 -
[84]
Edited by: Certero on 19/04/2010 17:07:37 guys, it's no good to pay money for the game there someone can feel himself like god (not been a cpp employer or gm) - nobody can scan clocked ship at safespot not been even in local, then scan another ship in next system, then another an so on. everybosy wants a fair play! we are just players, we're paying money and want to have same abilities. it's no good to see that someone can make such outstanding things :((( want to hear cpp officials...
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Lady Spank
Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta
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Posted - 2010.04.19 17:08:00 -
[85]
Internet Relay Crimes
But really why is the trap that is beneath the conquest a consistent cheat for local vanish no honour or warping to make the address book safe ratting unpossible without the cloak shades? ~
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SIWETH
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Posted - 2010.04.19 17:12:00 -
[86]
Originally by: Amberlamps
Originally by: SIWETH
Originally by: Dmitri Harkonnen Dead simple: Fraps it.
then post it on irc?
Dude, only hackers use IRC. It's like, like having 2 ships trading drugs in the ocean, no trace mate.
really? lol
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Admiral Pelleon
White Shadow Imperium Z.E.R.G
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Posted - 2010.04.19 17:25:00 -
[87]
Originally by: Lady Spank Internet Relay Crimes
But really why is the trap that is beneath the conquest a consistent cheat for local vanish no honour or warping to make the address book safe ratting unpossible without the cloak shades?
Jesus christ, I tried to figure this out for a couple minutes before I felt like an idiot. ________
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Lady Spank
Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta
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Posted - 2010.04.19 17:28:00 -
[88]
Originally by: Admiral Pelleon
Originally by: Lady Spank Internet Relay Crimes
But really why is the trap that is beneath the conquest a consistent cheat for local vanish no honour or warping to make the address book safe ratting unpossible without the cloak shades?
Jesus christ, I tried to figure this out for a couple minutes before I felt like an idiot.
I just wanted to join in with the rest of the gibberish here.
~
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Amberlamps
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Posted - 2010.04.19 17:31:00 -
[89]
Edited by: Amberlamps on 19/04/2010 17:32:19
Originally by: Lady Spank
Originally by: Admiral Pelleon
Originally by: Lady Spank Internet Relay Crimes
But really why is the trap that is beneath the conquest a consistent cheat for local vanish no honour or warping to make the address book safe ratting unpossible without the cloak shades?
Jesus christ, I tried to figure this out for a couple minutes before I felt like an idiot.
I just wanted to join in with the rest of the gibberish here.
I don't understand what you mean by "Gibberish" I believe these previous comments have been very understandable and informative.
Cough
I would imagine a Russian would have a whale of a time trying to read your comment after putting it in a translator
Originally by: SIWETH
Originally by: Amberlamps
Originally by: SIWETH
Originally by: Dmitri Harkonnen Dead simple: Fraps it.
then post it on irc?
Dude, only hackers use IRC. It's like, like having 2 ships trading drugs in the ocean, no trace mate.
really? lol
Ya rly
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penifSMASH
ElitistOps Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.04.19 17:34:00 -
[90]
Monkeysphere I demand you fraps your next kill so I know how to change my macro to avoid getting caught next time. If you don't send me this fraps within 72 hours, I will fly to Iceland and get you permanently banned from CCP's EVE: Online.
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The Monkeysphere
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.04.19 17:42:00 -
[91]
Sorry, but to cover my trails I've made ash suddenly appear from a wormhole.
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Slapchop Gonnalovemynuts
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Posted - 2010.04.19 17:57:00 -
[92]
What is this thread about anyway? All I see is a bunch of gibberish --------------------------------------------
Quote: EVE-Online... Too rough for ya? Don't like it? GTFO...
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Amberlamps
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Posted - 2010.04.19 17:58:00 -
[93]
Originally by: penifSMASH Monkeysphere I demand you fraps your next kill so I know how to change my macro to avoid getting caught next time. If you don't send me this fraps within 72 hours, I will fly to Iceland and get you permanently banned from CCP's EVE: Online.
I would purely like the video so I can mimic his tactics.
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Certero
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Posted - 2010.04.19 18:02:00 -
[94]
Originally by: Slapchop Gonnalovemynuts What is this thread about anyway? All I see is a bunch of gibberish
about strange things ))) hunter. nobody in local. now someone appears in local and hunter jump to safespot. but in 3 sec he is scrambled and killed (at safespot). so, he can't beleive that anybody can do it without using exploit.
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Mr CMOT
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Posted - 2010.04.19 18:08:00 -
[95]
lol monkeysphere, expect a HUGE bill from the european airlines, they are *****ing enough to proberbly take you up on you confession
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Ildryn
The Inf1dels En Garde
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Posted - 2010.04.19 18:13:00 -
[96]
Originally by: Ded MATAP Hmm...
I've never meet this guys, but something look fishy to me. Look at The Monkeysphere killboard.
The Monkeysphere
Not only he have kill/death ratio around 35/1 also he kill his victims very alike. There is always Machariel, there is always Arazu, and there is always Curse. So goes for pilots. There is same 3 people in every kill.
Now this look very spooky to me... Something really wrong.
Well duh. DPS SCRAM and CAP warfare. What he does he needs to do fast...best way to kill someone is to erase their cap and ability to run away. The Mach is there for wtfbbq DPS. |
Lady Karma
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Posted - 2010.04.19 18:16:00 -
[97]
Originally by: Certero
about strange things ))) hunter. nobody in local. now someone appears in local and hunter jump to safespot. but in 3 sec he is scrambled and killed (at safespot). so, he can't beleive that anybody can do it without using exploit.
Would that be the same safe spot you previously warped to and logged out at. There is no way anyone could probe that out before you disappeared from space. Then sit there logged off waiting for you to log back in and do the exact same thing again when you see him in local.
That would be crazy unlikely, and almost like you were using some kind of script to repeat events.
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Certero
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Posted - 2010.04.19 18:19:00 -
[98]
Edited by: Certero on 19/04/2010 18:25:57 Edited by: Certero on 19/04/2010 18:25:21 Edited by: Certero on 19/04/2010 18:24:40 Edited by: Certero on 19/04/2010 18:24:13
Originally by: Lady Karma
Would that be the same safe spot you previously warped to and logged out at. There is no way anyone could probe that out before you disappeared from space. Then sit there logged off waiting for you to log back in and do the exact same thing again when you see him in local.
That would be crazy unlikely, and almost like you were using some kind of script to repeat events.
It's not about me - just read "hunter tales" here and on russian forum...
PS: and it's clear that they kill number of hunters in a row (in nearest systems) - one by one with 5-9 min interval... logoff on safespot can't help here ( (there were link to kb with this info in this thread)
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The Monkeysphere
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.04.19 18:24:00 -
[99]
Like or loathe it, challenges in the form of games are here to stay! A number of large treasure hunt events held this year had included games in their itinerary and I foresee this trend to continue. The event organizers simply love them as it is seen to foster teamwork. Most first time participants enjoy them for they can relate better to games than cryptic riddles. No doubt games are fun and can take away the monotony of deciphering cryptic clues. Games also provide for photo opportunities - usually to put a smile on everyone's faces at someone else's expense. It is also a tendency that the underdog garners more support (just ask Schummacher when he was dominating F1). So games are sometimes included to help level the playing field which is somewhat true to avoid the same faces dominating the top prizes.
On the other hand it is no big secret that the purists detest games. Unlike cryptic riddles (which typically follow a well defined set of rules), games are unpredictable - can either be a test of skill or chance and games are almost impossible to prepare in advance. While some purists choose to stay away from hunts with games, others (the die hards) continue to indulge but with fingers and toes crossed, praying very hard that somehow that god-forsaken ping pong ball will finally land inside the basket or that others will fail too just like they did.
While some games can be silly, there are others which provide a unique experience. I logged a number of firsts through participation in hunts - first time I had absailed, rock climbed, handled a blowpipe, drove in a go-kart, glided down a flying-fox, had snakes for company and many others. So, personally, I do not mind games although history shows that I don't always excel in hunts that incorporate games.
After many years of organizing pure hunts, for obvious reasons this year my weekday employers decided to include games into the hunt itinerary. This year our Amazing hunt was held at Taman Pertanian Bukit Cahaya in Shah Alam.
The hunt included 20 cryptic questions & 2 treasures which contributed 70 points and 4 challenges which made up the remainder 40 points. There weren't many signages within the agriculture park, so the hunt questions were hardly a challenge. In the end, the top three positions were decided by the games, and not surprisingly we had a new winning team this year!
50 teams of six turned up in support. There were prizes for the top 15 teams. Everyone had to pay very minimal entry fees. A boisteruos MC from Time Out Solutions managed the day's activities. Plenty of Fun & Games. Breakfast and lunch were provided. Everyone had a good time, RIGHT?
WRONG!
Most teams I had talked to were frustrated that the scoring mechanism was not clearly explained in 2 of the 4 challenges. For example, it was not clear how fast teams had to kayak in order to score the full 10 points. Neither was it clear how many bulls eye from the blowpipe challenge would be needed to score the full points. Without a transparent scoring mechanism, it becomes almost impossible to strategize. Not to mention, impossible to figure out how many points one had scored.
It has been two months since the same event managers last promised to improve on this aspect of their events. But till today I am still patiently waiting for them to WALK THE TALK .
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penifSMASH
ElitistOps Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.04.19 18:28:00 -
[100]
Animalism is an allegorical mirror of the Soviet Union, particularly between the 1910s and the 1940s, as well as the evolution of the view of the Russian revolutionaries and government of how to practice it. It is invented by the highly respected pig Old Major. The pigs Snowball, Napoleon, and Squealer adapt Old Major's ideas into an actual philosophy, which they formally name Animalism. Soon after, Napoleon and Squealer indulge in the vices of humans (drinking alcohol, sleeping in beds, trading). Squealer is employed to alter the Seven Commandments to account for his humanization, which represents the Soviet government's tweaking of communist theory to make it more a reformation of capitalism than a replacement.
The Seven Commandments are laws that were supposed to keep order and ensure elementary Animalism within Animal Farm. The Seven Commandments were designed to unite the animals together against the humans and prevent animals from following the humans' evil habits. Since not all of the animals can remember them, they are boiled down into one basic statement: "Four legs good, two legs bad!" (with wings counting as legs for this purpose, Snowball arguing that wings count as legs as they are objects of propulsion rather than manipulation), which the sheep constantly repeat, distracting the crowd from the lies of the pigs. The original commandments were:
1. Whatever goes upon two legs is an enemy 2. Whatever goes upon four legs, or has wings, is a friend. 3. No animal shall wear clothes. 4. No animal shall sleep in a bed. 5. No animal shall drink alcohol. 6. No animal shall kill any other animal. 7. All animals are equal.
Later, Napoleon and his pigs are corrupted by the absolute power they hold over the farm. To maintain their popularity with the other animals, Squealer secretly paints additions to some commandments to benefit the pigs while keeping them free of accusations of breaking the laws (such as "No animal shall drink alcohol" having "to excess" appended to it and "No animal shall sleep in a bed" with "with sheets" added to it). Eventually the laws are replaced with "All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others", and "Four legs good, two legs better!" as the pigs become more human. Characters
The events and characters in Animal Farm satirise Communism ("Animalism"), authoritarian government and human gullibility generally; Snowball is seen as Leon Trotsky and the head pig, Napoleon, is Stalin.
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Nata Asphyxia
Shadow Kingdom Ultima Rati0
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Posted - 2010.04.19 18:44:00 -
[101]
Originally by: penifSMASH Animalism is an allegorical mirror of the Soviet Union, particularly between the 1910s and the 1940s, as well as the evolution of the view of the Russian revolutionaries and government of how to practice it. It is invented by the highly respected pig Old Major. The pigs Snowball, Napoleon, and Squealer adapt Old Major's ideas into an actual philosophy, which they formally name Animalism. Soon after, Napoleon and Squealer indulge in the vices of humans (drinking alcohol, sleeping in beds, trading). Squealer is employed to alter the Seven Commandments to account for his humanization, which represents the Soviet government's tweaking of communist theory to make it more a reformation of capitalism than a replacement.
The Seven Commandments are laws that were supposed to keep order and ensure elementary Animalism within Animal Farm. The Seven Commandments were designed to unite the animals together against the humans and prevent animals from following the humans' evil habits. Since not all of the animals can remember them, they are boiled down into one basic statement: "Four legs good, two legs bad!" (with wings counting as legs for this purpose, Snowball arguing that wings count as legs as they are objects of propulsion rather than manipulation), which the sheep constantly repeat, distracting the crowd from the lies of the pigs. The original commandments were:
1. Whatever goes upon two legs is an enemy 2. Whatever goes upon four legs, or has wings, is a friend. 3. No animal shall wear clothes. 4. No animal shall sleep in a bed. 5. No animal shall drink alcohol. 6. No animal shall kill any other animal. 7. All animals are equal.
Later, Napoleon and his pigs are corrupted by the absolute power they hold over the farm. To maintain their popularity with the other animals, Squealer secretly paints additions to some commandments to benefit the pigs while keeping them free of accusations of breaking the laws (such as "No animal shall drink alcohol" having "to excess" appended to it and "No animal shall sleep in a bed" with "with sheets" added to it). Eventually the laws are replaced with "All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others", and "Four legs good, two legs better!" as the pigs become more human. Characters
The events and characters in Animal Farm satirise Communism ("Animalism"), authoritarian government and human gullibility generally; Snowball is seen as Leon Trotsky and the head pig, Napoleon, is Stalin.
Hey, that's one of my favorite authors there. Don't forget to mention Orwell in your post next time.
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MisterAl tt1
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Posted - 2010.04.19 18:44:00 -
[102]
I think it is just the time to stop offtopic, which is:
1. Russians don't speaking correct English. 2. Thinking of the victims' unproven sins
And return to the topic, which is a possible exploit usage of some people, allowing them to be hidden from the local chat (at least)
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Ded MATAP
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Posted - 2010.04.19 18:44:00 -
[103]
Edited by: Ded MATAP on 19/04/2010 18:45:15
Originally by: The Monkeysphere Like or loathe it, challenges in the form of games are here to stay! A number of large treasure hunt events held this year had included games in their itinerary and I foresee this trend to continue... (lots of letters)
Why writing so mush? Can you just tell "Im NOT use any exploit and can PROVE it."?
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Ded MATAP
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Posted - 2010.04.19 18:51:00 -
[104]
Originally by: penifSMASH Animalism is an allegorical mirror of the Soviet Union, particularly between the 1910s and the 1940s... (short retelling of Orwell's "Animal Farm")
Im glad that you have read Orwell, but tell me, how does "Animal farm" relate to this topic?
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penifSMASH
ElitistOps Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.04.19 18:54:00 -
[105]
After the vague and surreal ending of Monkey Island 2, Guybrush Threepwood is inexplicably found on the sea in a floating bumper car with two helium balloons. Guybrush is trying to recall in his journal how he ended up in this dire situation and his escape from the Big Whoop where he was trapped for an undisclosed period of time. He eventually approaches Plunder Island, which is governed by Elaine Marley and is currently under siege by LeChuck himself. After a lengthy exchange where LeChuck is rebuffed in his attempts to woo Elaine, both notice Guybrush, and he is quickly recaptured by LeChuck. While seeking a way out, Guybrush causes LeChuck to blast himself to smithereens, finds a diamond ring in LeChuck's treasure hold, and escapes the ship whilst sinking it. He then reunites with his love, Elaine Marley, and officially proposes to her, offering her the diamond ring he found on LeChuck's ship. Unbeknownst to him is the fact that the ring is cursed, and Elaine gets turned into a gold statue as soon as she puts it on. Guybrush must then retrieve the statue, which is stolen almost immediately, and return her to human form.
The Voodoo Lady tells Guybrush that he must travel to Blood Island to find a certain uncursed diamond ring to break the spell. In doing so, he must get a crew, a ship, the statue of Elaine, and a map as nobody knows where Blood Island is anymore. In his attempts to get a crew, Guybrush hastily informs a captain named RenT Rottingham about the gold statue of Elaine, which piques his curiosity. The map also presents a problem as the only known map is tattooed to the back of Palido Domingo, who is tanning on an exclusive beach and does not cooperate in his quest. Guybrush must also find out where the statue of Elaine is hidden. After various competitions, Guybrush manages to do all of the errands, as well as gather a crew, consisting of Cutthroat Bill, Haggis McMutton, and Edward Van Helgen, to join him on a voyage to Blood Island.
While sailing to Blood Island, the crew is distracted by sightseeing whilst Captain Rottingham boards the ship and fights Guybrush in a game of insult swordfighting. Rottingham easily wins and takes the map to Blood Island. By fighting other pirates, Guybrush learns various insults and defeats Rottingham, reclaiming the map. However, a terrible storm results in Guybrush's ship crashing into Blood Island, the golden statue of Elaine being launched inland, and the crew deciding to mutiny; leaving Guybrush on his own again. On Blood Island, Guybrush meets Griswold Goodsoup and other locals, including the cannibals from Monkey Island. Guybrush then removes the cursed ring from Elaine's finger, gambles with smugglers to acquire an uncursed diamond, and returns Elaine to normal. The two share a moment together before LeChuck's skeletal army seizes them.
After a lengthy conversation with LeChuck, Guybrush is transformed into a child and left to roam the Big Whoop amusement park. Using a hangover cure discovered on Blood Island, he becomes an adult again and gets on the Rollercoaster of Death to confront LeChuck. In an unseen cinematic, Elaine reroutes the tracks, causing Guybrush to go through the same sections of the ride over and over, avoiding the lava. LeChuck chases Guybrush over and over, tormenting him with his fiery powers. Regardless, Guybrush manages to gather up various items to set off an avalanche, burying LeChuck under a mountain of ice. Some time later, Guybrush and Elaine are seen sailing off on a ship just married, as various friends he met on his adventures wave them goodbye.[1]
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Certero
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Posted - 2010.04.19 18:55:00 -
[106]
Originally by: Ded MATAP
Im glad that you have read Orwell, but tell me, how does "Animal farm" relate to this topic?
How? ))) He just don't interesting in speaking on that topic (both pandemics just trying to ignore questions)
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MisterAl tt1
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Posted - 2010.04.19 18:57:00 -
[107]
Edited by: MisterAl tt1 on 19/04/2010 19:00:34 Edited by: MisterAl tt1 on 19/04/2010 18:58:12 It would be nice if moderators came here to delete some posts. (including this one, preferably)
BTW. Most of the flood (in big portions) seems to come from the accused or his corp members.
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penifSMASH
ElitistOps Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.04.19 19:00:00 -
[108]
Edited by: penifSMASH on 19/04/2010 19:00:30 Every time a Golem dies, a Russian family goes hungry for another day.
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Nata Asphyxia
Shadow Kingdom Ultima Rati0
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Posted - 2010.04.19 19:00:00 -
[109]
Edited by: Nata Asphyxia on 19/04/2010 19:01:54
Originally by: MisterAl tt1 I think it is just the time to stop offtopic, which is:
1. Russians don't speaking correct English.
Oh my gawd, quoted for the great justice.
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MAKC MAXHO
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Posted - 2010.04.19 19:03:00 -
[110]
Originally by: Amberlamps
Originally by: MAKC MAXHO
Originally by: Amberlamps
j00R t3xt M4K32 4lM05t 42 mUcH 53N23 42 t3h w4y I h4v3 wRiTt3N THi2 R35p0n23 T0 J00r k0nC3rn2. I h3R38y d3cl4r3 j00 h4v3 R3C3iV3d -1 8I9 L4n P0INt2.
HuxpeHa He IIoH9lJl, Ho cB9lTo BePIO, 4To cka3aJl 4To-To yMHoe. :)
Please stop with your jibberish, we don't respect that sort of arse gravy.
In the end... I think this has been a very good advertisement for one of the coolest players I am now are of on Eve... MonkeySphere, I will now look up to him and follow in his footsteps for when I want to get rid or **** off some russians.
Если тебя не затруднит - пиши попроще. Язык гетто я не понимаю.
You decided to declare a crusade against the Russian? For what reasons? Because we are talking about the exploit, which uses a monkey, and perhaps you?
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Certero
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Posted - 2010.04.19 19:05:00 -
[111]
Originally by: penifSMASH Edited by: penifSMASH on 19/04/2010 19:00:30 Every time a Golem dies, a Russian family goes hungry for another day.
You're wrong! ))) Every time Golem dies from pilots not in local (as described in first post), russians think that exploit was used - bcos any pilot need to be in local and need time to scan ships, and even more - pilot can't scan cloacked ships! So, every time Golem dies russians don't want to pay CPP for that game with cheaters! And then US/UK Golem will die in such way - you'll have same problem with them.
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Hadji Nakarunaisa
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Posted - 2010.04.19 19:05:00 -
[112]
Having studied set of the data given players I think that exploit (absence in localchat and warp on the player who is taking place on safespot and in cloak in 0) exists
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Ded MATAP
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Posted - 2010.04.19 19:06:00 -
[113]
Maybe small button called "Report" might help us.
These posts is purposeful flood. Yes, we see how they disrespect us or this forum, or both, and i expect that they show us some more of this attitude.
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MisterAl tt1
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Posted - 2010.04.19 19:09:00 -
[114]
Originally by: Ded MATAP Maybe small button called "Report" might help us.
These posts is purposeful flood. Yes, we see how they disrespect us or this forum, or both, and i expect that they show us some more of this attitude.
It was reported. The case has gone to Senior GM as it is said, as the logs are said to be "clear". Otherwise there would be no point in writing here.
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Certero
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Posted - 2010.04.19 19:10:00 -
[115]
Originally by: Ded MATAP Maybe small button called "Report" might help us.
These posts is purposeful flood. Yes, we see how they disrespect us or this forum, or both, and i expect that they show us some more of this attitude.
i've reported on all 3 posts...
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Elv1r1n4Drug4r1c4
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Posted - 2010.04.19 19:10:00 -
[116]
Edited by: Elv1r1n4Drug4r1c4 on 19/04/2010 19:10:32 Apparently, your macro algorithm need to be upgraded.
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penifSMASH
ElitistOps Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.04.19 19:11:00 -
[117]
Originally by: Certero
Originally by: penifSMASH Edited by: penifSMASH on 19/04/2010 19:00:30 Every time a Golem dies, a Russian family goes hungry for another day.
You're wrong! ))) Every time Golem dies from pilots not in local (as described in first post), russians think that exploit was used - bcos any pilot need to be in local and need time to scan ships, and even more - pilot can't scan cloacked ships! So, every time Golem dies russians don't want to pay CPP for that game with cheaters! And then US/UK Golem will die in such way - you'll have same problem with them.
Botting Russians pay for the game with isk. The only money you spend is what you pay to use the macro program. When you quit EVE, you'll have to find a real job in your local village instead of selling isk on a 3rd party website.
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Zofran
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Posted - 2010.04.19 19:11:00 -
[118]
"Innocent until proven guilty" might not apply in Mother Russia. But over here it is against the rules to discuss exploits, proven or otherwise. I expect that CCP will deal with people actively trying to peruse this course as it is against both EULA and the forum rules which are actually enforced.
Evidence and data have not been provided by the accusers anyway. So how these unfounded statements can be made that the exploit exists is beyond logic and reasoning. The matter is up to CCP; in the case that their logs do in fact show nothing unusual... bawww time to go hug a polar bear?
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Xtover
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.04.19 19:11:00 -
[119]
This thread is awesome.
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Nata Asphyxia
Shadow Kingdom Ultima Rati0
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Posted - 2010.04.19 19:11:00 -
[120]
Edited by: Nata Asphyxia on 19/04/2010 19:14:31
Originally by: Certero
Originally by: penifSMASH Edited by: penifSMASH on 19/04/2010 19:00:30 Every time a Golem dies, a Russian family goes hungry for another day.
You're wrong! ))) Every time Golem dies from pilots not in local (as described in first post), russians think that exploit was used - bcos any pilot need to be in local and need time to scan ships, and even more - pilot can't scan cloacked ships! So, every time Golem dies russians don't want to pay CPP for that game with cheaters! And then US/UK Golem will die in such way - you'll have same problem with them.
Russian macroers don't pay cash to CCP anyways, they just set up macro Golems in 0.0 and whine here when they get anal infiltrated.
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Certero
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Posted - 2010.04.19 19:16:00 -
[121]
Edited by: Certero on 19/04/2010 19:21:15
Originally by: Zofran
bawww time to go hug a polar bear?
very funny. CCP don't use player's logs or fraps, and yes - they told that server's logs ok... so you'll wait till they kill you with this trick???
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Amberlamps
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Posted - 2010.04.19 19:20:00 -
[122]
Edited by: Amberlamps on 19/04/2010 19:22:21
Originally by: Certero
Originally by: Zofran
bawww time to go hug a polar bear?
very funny. CPP don't use player's logs or fraps, and yes - they told that server's logs ok... so you'll wait till they kill you with this trick???
Who is CPP?
Credit payment protection? Child protection policy? Crustacean protection policy? Cornelius piddlewink pomperdink? China's productions poop?
Please point out your choice.
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Certero
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Posted - 2010.04.19 19:22:00 -
[123]
Originally by: Amberlamps
Who is CPP?
sorry. fixed. CCP
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Nata Asphyxia
Shadow Kingdom Ultima Rati0
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Posted - 2010.04.19 19:23:00 -
[124]
Originally by: Amberlamps
Who is CPP?
Credit payment protection? Child protection policy? Crustacean protection policy? Cornelius piddlewink pomperdink? China's productions poop?
Please point out your choice.
My vote goes for Carebears Posting Poop
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Amberlamps
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Posted - 2010.04.19 19:26:00 -
[125]
Edited by: Amberlamps on 19/04/2010 19:26:53
Originally by: Nata Asphyxia
Originally by: Amberlamps
Who is CPP?
Credit payment protection? Child protection policy? Crustacean protection policy? Cornelius piddlewink pomperdink? China's productions poop?
Please point out your choice.
My vote goes for Carebears Posting Poop
Quite a wise choice, I can't believe I didn't think of this myself.
From your previous posts though I can't work out who's side you are on, on this trollnaught of a thread.
I think monkeysphere is awesome frankly... outsmarting macro users....
My vote is for
Cat poop pongs.
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Ded MATAP
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Posted - 2010.04.19 19:29:00 -
[126]
Edited by: Ded MATAP on 19/04/2010 19:31:52
Originally by: Nata Asphyxia
Originally by: Certero
Originally by: penifSMASH Edited by: penifSMASH on 19/04/2010 19:00:30 Every time a Golem dies, a Russian family goes hungry for another day.
You're wrong! ))) Every time Golem dies from pilots not in local (as described in first post), russians think that exploit was used - bcos any pilot need to be in local and need time to scan ships, and even more - pilot can't scan cloacked ships! So, every time Golem dies russians don't want to pay CPP for that game with cheaters! And then US/UK Golem will die in such way - you'll have same problem with them.
Russians don't pay cash to CCP anyways, they just set up macro Golems in 0.0 and whine here when they get anal infiltrated.
What the reason of this hate? Fear maybe?
BTW i don't have golem or something like, nor do i ratting. More than macro's i hate only exploiters.
But i dont know if monkeysphere use exploits or not. There is no picture, no video. No matter, anyway. CCP not consider this as evidence.
But what is really suspicious to me is Monkeysphere KillBoard. Look at some kills, kill time, kill sistem, and you will see that some kills and kill streaks is impossible. I belive that expirenced PvP pilots agree with me. One hunter has not notice hostiles in local in time? This can be. 20 of them? No way.
And now all those aggressive posts from Pandemics make me suspect that there is really something into it.
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Certero
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Posted - 2010.04.19 19:33:00 -
[127]
Originally by: Amberlamps
I think monkeysphere is awesome frankly... outsmarting macro users....
Maybe. But his victims have other opinion.
PS: I'm not his victim - i'm just reading russian forum and i see that some guys think it's exploit (even good pilots with great experience) and others think not. Think it's interesting to hear monkeysphere...
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Z800XV
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Posted - 2010.04.19 19:34:00 -
[128]
relax guys, "the server work fine","logs on server are fine".
give us your money and keep running lvl 4 agents.))
"сервер ворк файн" начинает заебвать =\
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Nata Asphyxia
Shadow Kingdom Ultima Rati0
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Posted - 2010.04.19 19:36:00 -
[129]
Originally by: Amberlamps Edited by: Amberlamps on 19/04/2010 19:26:53
Originally by: Nata Asphyxia
Originally by: Amberlamps
Who is CPP?
Credit payment protection? Child protection policy? Crustacean protection policy? Cornelius piddlewink pomperdink? China's productions poop?
Please point out your choice.
My vote goes for Carebears Posting Poop
Quite a wise choice, I can't believe I didn't think of this myself.
From your previous posts though I can't work out who's side you are on, on this trollnaught of a thread.
I think monkeysphere is awesome frankly... outsmarting macro users....
My vote is for
Cat poop pongs.
Nice choice too. The rules of forum flaming do not allow me to take any sides seriously, sorry for confusing you about that. Peace, love, poo (seems like we both like this one).
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Rawr Cristina
Caldari Omerta Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.04.19 19:36:00 -
[130]
lol. cheaters whining about cheaters.
nerf local already
- Malyutka (The Virus) - |
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baltec1
Antares Shipyards Aeternus.
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Posted - 2010.04.19 19:49:00 -
[131]
Originally by: Ded MATAP
What the reason of this hate? Fear maybe?
BTW i don't have golem or something like, nor do i ratting. More than macro's i hate only exploiters.
But i dont know if monkeysphere use exploits or not. There is no picture, no video. No matter, anyway. CCP not consider this as evidence.
But what is really suspicious to me is Monkeysphere KillBoard. Look at some kills, kill time, kill sistem, and you will see that some kills and kill streaks is impossible. I belive that expirenced PvP pilots agree with me. One hunter has not notice hostiles in local in time? This can be. 20 of them? No way.
And now all those aggressive posts from Pandemics make me suspect that there is really something into it.
I can see a very good reason how he is getting those kills.
Theory 1. They are using macros and leaving those ships to chug away alone. Monkey Man has found a way to get around said macro and is now on a killing spree. Any normal players who have intel to hand from the first victim would not be in a belt unless the are just down right stupid.
Theory 2. Those pilots are stupid.
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fuer0n
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Posted - 2010.04.19 19:50:00 -
[132]
Edited by: fuer0n on 19/04/2010 19:53:35
Originally by: Lee Kin A long time ago, in a patch far, far away, there was a bug that allowed you to log out of local chat. "Was" may perhaps be a strong word in this case. Just be sure to put your scout on grid with your gate or you will find an arazu 35-40 clicks off and a machariel soon after :P Watched him move for several jumps and it is flawless. It may have one weakness that is if you enter local after him, but not very practical in your case.
why???????
edit: and more ****ign importantly hasnt the hole been filled?
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CCP Adida
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Posted - 2010.04.19 19:55:00 -
[133]
removed off topic replies.
Adida Community Rep CCP Hf, EVE Online
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fuer0n
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Posted - 2010.04.19 19:56:00 -
[134]
irc.
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Ded MATAP
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Posted - 2010.04.19 20:06:00 -
[135]
Edited by: Ded MATAP on 19/04/2010 20:10:08 Edited by: Ded MATAP on 19/04/2010 20:08:11
Originally by: baltec1
Originally by: Ded MATAP
What the reason of this hate? Fear maybe?
BTW i don't have golem or something like, nor do i ratting. More than macro's i hate only exploiters.
But i dont know if monkeysphere use exploits or not. There is no picture, no video. No matter, anyway. CCP not consider this as evidence.
But what is really suspicious to me is Monkeysphere KillBoard. Look at some kills, kill time, kill sistem, and you will see that some kills and kill streaks is impossible. I belive that expirenced PvP pilots agree with me. One hunter has not notice hostiles in local in time? This can be. 20 of them? No way.
And now all those aggressive posts from Pandemics make me suspect that there is really something into it.
I can see a very good reason how he is getting those kills.
Theory 1. They are using macros and leaving those ships to chug away alone. Monkey Man has found a way to get around said macro and is now on a killing spree. Any normal players who have intel to hand from the first victim would not be in a belt unless the are just down right stupid.
Theory 2. Those pilots are stupid.
1. I dont know anything about macro. So if you know more, tell me, is it usual for macros to fly on machariel, rattlesnake, or impel?
2. All these pilots are stupid?
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Salastil
Gallente ElitistOps Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.04.19 20:14:00 -
[136]
Originally by: baltec1
Originally by: Ded MATAP
What the reason of this hate? Fear maybe?
BTW i don't have golem or something like, nor do i ratting. More than macro's i hate only exploiters.
But i dont know if monkeysphere use exploits or not. There is no picture, no video. No matter, anyway. CCP not consider this as evidence.
But what is really suspicious to me is Monkeysphere KillBoard. Look at some kills, kill time, kill sistem, and you will see that some kills and kill streaks is impossible. I belive that expirenced PvP pilots agree with me. One hunter has not notice hostiles in local in time? This can be. 20 of them? No way.
And now all those aggressive posts from Pandemics make me suspect that there is really something into it.
I can see a very good reason how he is getting those kills.
Theory 1. They are using macros and leaving those ships to chug away alone. Monkey Man has found a way to get around said macro and is now on a killing spree. Any normal players who have intel to hand from the first victim would not be in a belt unless the are just down right stupid.
Theory 2. Those pilots are stupid.
It's neither, ********** of Pandemic Legion has made a new UI via injection that we use to give us better FPS (the UI is the cause of most FPS drop in Eve) and control in fleet fights and in roaming gangs.
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The Monkeysphere
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.04.19 20:15:00 -
[137]
Feel free to check the drone regions for a massive number of macro Zealots, check Stain and Paragon Soul for macro Nightmares, any region for macro Golems and so on. Everything can be macroed, I'm convinced by now.
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Una Achura
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Posted - 2010.04.19 20:21:00 -
[138]
No... really? Nah. Couldn't be...
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baltec1
Antares Shipyards Aeternus.
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Posted - 2010.04.19 20:23:00 -
[139]
&kll Originally by: Ded MATAP
1. I dont know anything about macro. So if you know more, tell me, is it usual for macros to fly on machariel, rattlesnake, or impel?
2. All these pilots are stupid?
Faction ships make good ratting ships, the rattlesnake is very good. The impel was most likely caught on a gate, I can do that in a solo bomber easily enough.
The carrier was very very stupid as it looks to have been nabbed while either plexing or ratting. I have cought several doing that but as I was solo in a bomber I couldnt exactly take that kind of thing on. I would just bomb them out of spite.
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Downtym
Amarr Ajo Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2010.04.19 20:29:00 -
[140]
Edited by: Downtym on 19/04/2010 20:28:58
Originally by: Salastil It's neither, ********** of Pandemic Legion has made a new UI via injection that we use to give us better FPS (the UI is the cause of most FPS drop in Eve) and control in fleet fights and in roaming gangs.
If true then
1. He's awesome. 2. He's way more obsessed with EVE than anyone has a right to be. 3. CCP needs to hire him.
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Zarstrax
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Posted - 2010.04.19 20:41:00 -
[141]
I wouldn't be surprised if all his kills are macros - theres A LOT of macros in EVE. Would be interesting to know how he does it.
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Ded MATAP
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Posted - 2010.04.19 20:41:00 -
[142]
Originally by: baltec1 &kll Originally by: Ded MATAP
1. I dont know anything about macro. So if you know more, tell me, is it usual for macros to fly on machariel, rattlesnake, or impel?
2. All these pilots are stupid?
Faction ships make good ratting ships, the rattlesnake is very good. The impel was most likely caught on a gate, I can do that in a solo bomber easily enough.
The carrier was very very stupid as it looks to have been nabbed while either plexing or ratting. I have cought several doing that but as I was solo in a bomber I couldnt exactly take that kind of thing on. I would just bomb them out of spite.
Yes, i agree, faction ships are good for ratting, afaik. But monkeysphere claims that his victims is mostly bots, or macro users. So it is normal to entrust faction ship for 1+ bil to a script? And this is knowing that this account might be banned anytime for EULA violation?
Okay, maybe among his victims not as muсh macro's as he want us to think. But i cannot belive that all these people were late to notice hostile ship in local and warp out.
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Ghost Wisperer
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Posted - 2010.04.19 20:45:00 -
[143]
Originally by: Downtym Edited by: Downtym on 19/04/2010 20:28:58
Originally by: Salastil It's neither, ********** of Pandemic Legion has made a new UI via injection that we use to give us better FPS (the UI is the cause of most FPS drop in Eve) and control in fleet fights and in roaming gangs.
If true then
1. He's awesome. 2. He's way more obsessed with EVE than anyone has a right to be. 3. CCP needs to hire him.
I kindly remind that client modification is prohibited by EULA. If CCP employee is watching this thread, can you please clarify your stance on client modification giving competitive advantage to the player ?
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Zarstrax
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Posted - 2010.04.19 20:50:00 -
[144]
Originally by: Ded MATAP And this is knowing that this account might be banned anytime for EULA violation?
Macros don't get banned that often as it is very hard to prove they are macroing.
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Danks
Caldari Fat Angry Toe Tappin Inbreds
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Posted - 2010.04.19 20:51:00 -
[145]
Last year I was in the Moscow airport and they wouldn't let me on my flight to Mumbai because I was too drunk.
WHO'S LAUGHING NOW RUSKIES!!!!???
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VicturusTeSaluto
Metafarmers MeatSausage EXPRESS
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Posted - 2010.04.19 20:52:00 -
[146]
you had a seizure
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Jumponme
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Posted - 2010.04.19 20:57:00 -
[147]
c'mon ... i too think there might be something fishy. Everyone who is on a killing spree like that would have released a video of his rampage. Even if he has no clue about editing and the first one goes with the worst ****-music-track u can find ...
I could even imagine a titel of this video ... Death of the thousands, Unholy Rage - The Private Edition, ... if there is a video, please give a link. |
The Monkeysphere
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.04.19 21:06:00 -
[148]
Good luck frapsing with 4 accounts running on the same PC.
Also I have frapsed my endeavours before, just watch this: http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/ahp/Gank_Night_10_5.wmv
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Grath Telkin
Amarr Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.04.19 21:08:00 -
[149]
All I can see is
BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWMYMACROAIN'TWORKIN
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Mutnin
Amarr Veto Corp
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Posted - 2010.04.19 21:18:00 -
[150]
Edited by: Mutnin on 19/04/2010 21:21:13
Originally by: Jumponme c'mon ... i too think there might be something fishy. Everyone who is on a killing spree like that would have released a video of his rampage. Even if he has no clue about editing and the first one goes with the worst ****-music-track u can find ...
I could even imagine a titel of this video ... Death of the thousands, Unholy Rage - The Private Edition, ... if there is a video, please give a link.
"The something fishy" is all these macro ratting guys coming on here trying to complain that their macros are dying and claiming hax.
I think the guy figured out a hole in the macro program, then figured out how to beat it. What he said seems very doable. Simply catch them when they log back in. It's likely easy to figure out what belt they were in due to the wrecks and set up the trap to catch them.
The best part is with the new log-off fix in the new update will mean it will be impossible for them to program the macro to double log off. This means it will likely be hard for the macro to beat a human, that is willing to wait for the opportunity to kill it.
With these guys being bot run I would think once you figure out how to catch them, you could quite easily repeat the process over and over again. You could quit literally have a field day farming the KM's.
Personally, I love it.
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Tonto Auri
Vhero' Multipurpose Corp
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Posted - 2010.04.19 21:19:00 -
[151]
Interesting topic, but drifted too far away.
I'm curious too, how you can set up a double-succesful login trap 3 times in a 10 minutes timeframe in systems that are 5 min away from eachother for a recon. Not to mention battleship, even as agile as Mach.
Also, crappy internet? With KpD ratio 30:1? I wouldn't even rat if I have such crappy internet that breaks me from game every 3 min. Having such internet connection and do PvP - and success... double success... many times in a row - it's just unbelievable. Proof or didn't happened. -- Thanks CCP for cu |
Lady Spank
Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta
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Posted - 2010.04.19 21:29:00 -
[152]
Yes, its totally up to The Monkeysphere to provide proof here... or it didn't happen.
~_~ ~
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Mutnin
Amarr Veto Corp
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Posted - 2010.04.19 21:31:00 -
[153]
Originally by: Tonto Auri Interesting topic, but drifted too far away.
I'm curious too, how you can set up a double-succesful login trap 3 times in a 10 minutes timeframe in systems that are 5 min away from eachother for a recon. Not to mention battleship, even as agile as Mach.
Also, crappy internet? With KpD ratio 30:1? I wouldn't even rat if I have such crappy internet that breaks me from game every 3 min. Having such internet connection and do PvP - and success... double success... many times in a row - it's just unbelievable. Proof or didn't happened.
He doesn't need to log off.
He simply needs to find the belt they were ratting in and wait with the Arazu. Hell he could even pop probes and get the area around the belt probed out and ready. This way even if someone was at the controls and logged off a second time he could get the warp-able hit before the ship disappeared to get aggro.
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Zarstrax
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Posted - 2010.04.19 21:52:00 -
[154]
Edited by: Zarstrax on 19/04/2010 21:55:40
Originally by: Mutnin
I think the guy figured out a hole in the macro program, then figured out how to beat it. What he said seems very doable. Simply catch them when they log back in. It's likely easy to figure out what belt they were in due to the wrecks and set up the trap to catch them.
You have obviously never tried to catch macros. Most macros these days don't logoff but rather go to a safespot and cloak when a hostile comes in local. When you leave they wait an amount of time (that can be set on the bot so varies) and then can be set to return to a random belt.
You don't know when they are going to return to ratting and you don't know which belt.
How do you catch them with logoffskies then genius?
I don't think you can.
The bot I am referring to has over 2000 registered users and it has ALL these features (they also detect deployable bubbles).
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ewwlooki
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Posted - 2010.04.19 22:02:00 -
[155]
heh, well, seeing as monkey was given the exploit by an australian who was given the exploit by a russian, I find it rather amusing that russians think its all about them. oh and the american has the IRC chat logs
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Tonto Auri
Vhero' Multipurpose Corp
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Posted - 2010.04.19 22:03:00 -
[156]
Originally by: Mutnin
Originally by: Tonto Auri Interesting topic, but drifted too far away.
I'm curious too, how you can set up a double-succesful login trap 3 times in a 10 minutes timeframe in systems that are 5 min away from eachother for a recon. Not to mention battleship, even as agile as Mach.
Also, crappy internet? With KpD ratio 30:1? I wouldn't even rat if I have such crappy internet that breaks me from game every 3 min. Having such internet connection and do PvP - and success... double success... many times in a row - it's just unbelievable. Proof or didn't happened.
He doesn't need to log off.
He simply needs to find the belt they were ratting in and wait with the Arazu. Hell he could even pop probes and get the area around the belt probed out and ready. This way even if someone was at the controls and logged off a second time he could get the warp-able hit before the ship disappeared to get aggro.
WTS Reading Comprehension skillbooks. Really cheap. Set aside victims stupidity. 3 ambushes in 10 min in systems that unreachable by following normal game mechanics. This message is clear for you? -- Thanks CCP for cu |
Zofran
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Posted - 2010.04.19 22:07:00 -
[157]
Originally by: Zarstrax Edited by: Zarstrax on 19/04/2010 21:55:40
Originally by: Mutnin
How do you catch them with logoffskies then genius?
The bot I am referring to has over 2000 registered users and it has ALL these features (they also detect deployable bubbles).
Evidently you need to have an unstable Estonian internet connection that lets you hide in local.
As for your very interesting research and sales pitch for botting software, you are aware that these options that you talk about may be buggy? you cant wildly claim exploits without evidence, killmails are not evidence. i.e: Monkeysphere is a monkey, some monkeys are crack addicts; therefor Monkeyshere is a crack addict.
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Zarstrax
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Posted - 2010.04.19 22:14:00 -
[158]
Edited by: Zarstrax on 19/04/2010 22:14:17
Originally by: Zofran
Evidently you need to have an unstable Estonian internet connection that lets you hide in local.
As for your very interesting research and sales pitch for botting software, you are aware that these options that you talk about may be buggy? you cant wildly claim exploits without evidence, killmails are not evidence. i.e: Monkeysphere is a monkey, some monkeys are crack addicts; therefor Monkeyshere is a crack addict.
With 2000 people using them I think the developers would find bugs, it's possible there are bugs but I highly doubt it. Didn't mean to make it a sales pitch, I don't like macros at all, partly because whatever I try I can never kill them.
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Rawr Cristina
Caldari Omerta Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.04.19 22:20:00 -
[159]
Originally by: ewwlooki heh, well, seeing as monkey was given the exploit by an australian
I knew this whole thread reminded me of someone (who incidently used to go roaming with his many alts into the dronelands and come back with something like 50 Raven kills. Never did figure out how he caught them before they ctrl-Qed )
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Greg DaimYo
Caldari Biotronics Inc.
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Posted - 2010.04.19 22:22:00 -
[160]
I am actually not sure if this is just a massive troll (enter notsureifserious.jpg here).
I actually think it is a joint-eve.ru-troll-attempt while sucking monkeysphere's balls.
I do think that it is pretty awesome what he's doing and I am not completely sure how he does it, but the amount of stereotypic trolling in here is just plain awesome.
Mad propellers and stuff.
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Mutnin
Amarr Veto Corp
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Posted - 2010.04.19 22:23:00 -
[161]
Originally by: Tonto Auri
He doesn't need to log off.
He simply needs to find the belt they were ratting in and wait with the Arazu. Hell he could even pop probes and get the area around the belt probed out and ready. This way even if someone was at the controls and logged off a second time he could get the warp-able hit before the ship disappeared to get aggro.
WTS Reading Comprehension skillbooks. Really cheap. Set aside victims stupidity. 3 ambushes in 10 min in systems that unreachable by following normal game mechanics. This message is clear for you?
Just because he killed them doesn't mean every kill he gets happens to be a ambush trap. People kill ships even different systems with in minutes of each other all the time.
He could of caught them on a gate.. He might have got lucky and caught one hung up on a asteroid. No one knows but him, everything else is speculation with out all the facts.
If you see him killing ships that fast over and over then yea, it's likely a problem. However you can never put off random targets just showing up, out of no where on your lucky day. Stuff like that happens sometimes.
I'm not saying he does it the way I mentioned, I was just speculating on how might be able to do it with out logging off. Just like the others are accusing him of hacking, they are speculating that he's cheating.
Hell, for all we know those 3 KM's might of been borked. I had a KM last week that was generated with out a time or date. I had to add the time and date in order to post the mail.
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Tag Ibby
Minmatar AUF EX INDUSTRIAL REV0LUTI0N
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Posted - 2010.04.19 22:27:00 -
[162]
rawr gets the first cookie for seeing the connection, now the question is since its been goin on for 2 years, doesnt ccp really condone this exploit so long as it stays in only a few hands and gets used only in the remote macro areas of space. the only proof you need is in the kb's
anyone who has tried to hunt a macro knows the odds of catching 3 or four in a row, let alone filling a kb with kills in a one hour span. there is no log on trap or legitimate way to accomplish this task.
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Tonto Auri
Vhero' Multipurpose Corp
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Posted - 2010.04.19 22:32:00 -
[163]
Edited by: Tonto Auri on 19/04/2010 22:32:08
Originally by: Mutnin Just because he killed them doesn't mean every kill he gets happens to be a ambush trap. People kill ships even different systems with in minutes of each other all the time.
He could of caught them on a gate.. He might have got lucky and caught one hung up on a asteroid. No one knows but him, everything else is speculation with out all the facts.
If you see him killing ships that fast over and over then yea, it's likely a problem. However you can never put off random targets just showing up, out of no where on your lucky day. Stuff like that happens sometimes.
I'm not saying he does it the way I mentioned, I was just speculating on how might be able to do it with out logging off. Just like the others are accusing him of hacking, they are speculating that he's cheating.
Hell, for all we know those 3 KM's might of been borked. I had a KM last week that was generated with out a time or date. I had to add the time and date in order to post the mail.
If you're not saying and/or speculating, what the value of your input in this topic? You could have remain silent and save yourself a 5-min wait between posts. Please refrain from flooding, that's for your own advantage.
EDIT: Also, repair quote. -- Thanks CCP for cu |
ewwlooki
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Posted - 2010.04.19 22:32:00 -
[164]
rawr gets the cookie...
kbs dont lie, anyone who has hunted macros knows how hard it is to catch one, let alone 3 or 50! in a rapid succession. the evidence is there, so the question is does ccp even care so long as it stays in the hands of only a few people using it to kill macroers who atm are a far greater problem than the exploit.
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MatrixSkye Mk2
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.04.19 22:37:00 -
[165]
Originally by: ewwlooki rawr gets the cookie...
kbs dont lie, anyone who has hunted macros knows how hard it is to catch one, let alone 3 or 50! in a rapid succession. the evidence is there, so the question is does ccp even care so long as it stays in the hands of only a few people using it to kill macroers who atm are a far greater problem than the exploit.
So we just have to trust they only use their exploit for good Scout's honor is worth so much in Eve.
Grief a PVP'er. Run a mission today! |
Lady Karma
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Posted - 2010.04.19 22:38:00 -
[166]
Originally by: ewwlooki rawr gets the cookie...
kbs dont lie, anyone who has hunted macros knows how hard it is to catch one, let alone 3 or 50! in a rapid succession. the evidence is there, so the question is does ccp even care so long as it stays in the hands of only a few people using it to kill macroers who atm are a far greater problem than the exploit.
He has been petitioned multiple times in the past as well as the present. CCP say that what he does is fine.
Just because you don't know how he does it, doesn't make it an exploit.
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ewwlooki
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Posted - 2010.04.19 22:39:00 -
[167]
the point is I DO know how he does it, I have witnessed it first hand and if the logs didnt indict myself I would share them.
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Tag Ibby
Minmatar AUF EX INDUSTRIAL REV0LUTI0N
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Posted - 2010.04.19 22:44:00 -
[168]
Edited by: Tag Ibby on 19/04/2010 22:44:59
Quote: the point is I DO know how he does it, I have witnessed it first hand and if the logs didnt indict myself I would share them.
Look at my corp history- I have seen it too, and I am not so sure you know wtf your talking about.
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Ephemeron
Retribution Corp. Initiative Associates
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Posted - 2010.04.19 22:46:00 -
[169]
I'm curious but skeptical.
Has anyone bothered to ask the actual guy who made the kills about how he did it?
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Lubomir Penev
interimo
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Posted - 2010.04.19 22:50:00 -
[170]
Originally by: Ephemeron I'm curious but skeptical.
Has anyone bothered to ask the actual guy who made the kills about how he did it?
He posted multiple times in the thread... The Monkeysphere... -- 081014 : emoragequit, char transfered to a friend, 090317 : back to original owner blog |
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MatrixSkye Mk2
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.04.19 22:53:00 -
[171]
So if what he does is not considered an exploit by CCP would anyone mind posting exactly it is what he does or link to a page in English (if at all possible)?
Grief a PVP'er. Run a mission today! |
Zarstrax
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Posted - 2010.04.19 22:55:00 -
[172]
Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2 So if what he does is not considered an exploit by CCP would anyone mind posting exactly it is what he does or link to a page in English (if at all possible)?
He won't say. I guess it's a valuable secret.
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Sofia Roseburn
Caldari Verdant Inquiries Asomat Drive Yards
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Posted - 2010.04.19 23:01:00 -
[173]
Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?
Inquiring minds would like to know Mr. Monkeysphere. God knows your hax extends all the way back to Sobaseki. ---
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Mutnin
Amarr Veto Corp
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Posted - 2010.04.19 23:02:00 -
[174]
Edited by: Mutnin on 19/04/2010 23:03:10
Originally by: Zarstrax
You have obviously never tried to catch macros. Most macros these days don't logoff but rather go to a safespot and cloak when a hostile comes in local. When you leave they wait an amount of time (that can be set on the bot so varies) and then can be set to return to a random belt.
You don't know when they are going to return to ratting and you don't know which belt.
How do you catch them with logoffskies then genius?
I don't think you can.
The bot I am referring to has over 2000 registered users and it has ALL these features (they also detect deployable bubbles).
Did you bother to look at the KM's? I sure as hell didn't see many cloaks fitted on the ships he's killing. There was one Golem on the first page of his kill stats but the t3's and most of the other didn't have cloaks fitted.
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The Monkeysphere
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.04.19 23:03:00 -
[175]
DAY OF ALL THE HAX
THIS IS THE STORY OF A DAY WHERE THERE WAS ALL THIS HAX. A MAN WAS WALKING AROUND AND HAX STARTED COMING OUT OF HIM EVERYWHERE. THERE WAS SO MUCH HAX THAT IT FILLED UP AN ELEVATOR. HE WENT TO THE STORE AND THERE WAS JUST HAX ALL OVER THE PLACE! PEOPLE WERE SLIPPING IN IT AND THEY WERE ALL GROSSED OUT. HE TRIED TO GO SWIMMING AND ALL OF THE SHARKS WENT NUTS AND BITTENED EVERYBODY. HE GOT CHASED BY ALL THE VAMPIRES EVER. ONE TIME THE HAX GOT A KID AND A DOG. AT THE END OF THE DAY EVERYONE DECIDED THEY WOULD SEND HIM TO SPACE SO THAT HE WOULD STOP GETTING HAX EVERY WHERE. THE SCARIEST PART IS THAT THE MAN WAS ME, THE MONKEYSPHERE!!! (OR HE WAS A LADY IF YOU ARE A LADY) AND YOU FORGOT THAT THIS HAPPENED
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MatrixSkye Mk2
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.04.19 23:03:00 -
[176]
Edited by: MatrixSkye Mk2 on 19/04/2010 23:03:58
Originally by: Zarstrax
Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2 So if what he does is not considered an exploit by CCP would anyone mind posting exactly it is what he does or link to a page in English (if at all possible)?
He won't say. I guess it's a valuable secret.
Well, if it's not an exploit it sounds like a helluva "technique" .
Grief a PVP'er. Run a mission today! |
Zarstrax
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Posted - 2010.04.19 23:12:00 -
[177]
Originally by: Mutnin
Did you bother to look at the KM's? I sure as hell didn't see many cloaks fitted on the ships he's killing. There was one Golem on the first page of his kill stats but the t3's and most of the other didn't have cloaks fitted.
You are correct they don't seem to but most macros I have seen do use cloaks and don't log off. He kills ones with cloaks too so it still can't be some login trap.
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Orree
Dynaverse Corporation Sodalitas XX
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Posted - 2010.04.19 23:14:00 -
[178]
Originally by: Danks Last year I was in the Moscow airport and they wouldn't let me on my flight to Mumbai because I was too drunk.
WHO'S LAUGHING NOW RUSKIES!!!!???
Not cool, man. I was just taking a sip of my water when I read this... (wipes down monitor)
---------- "How much easier it is to be critical than to be correct." ---Benjamin Disraeli |
Beardponderer
You're Doing It Wrong
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Posted - 2010.04.19 23:15:00 -
[179]
Monkey is just better than you. Don't hide from it, embrace it.
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Ares91
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Posted - 2010.04.19 23:16:00 -
[180]
I know how he does it, tested it and it works it's actually really, really simple.
Not sharing though.
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Amberlamps
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Posted - 2010.04.19 23:19:00 -
[181]
Originally by: Greg DaimYo .... but the amount of stereotypic trolling in here is just plain awesome.
What thread have you been reading?
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Merchant Queen
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Posted - 2010.04.19 23:21:00 -
[182]
according to the russian forums one of the possible ways to do this stuff is to be able to delay your appearance in the local chat channel for a considerable time (like about 1 minute) or do not appear in local altogether (like it is currently in wormhole space). Some people also reported that they encountered this rare ?bug? and disappeared from all chat channels including local while still being ingame. This effect was reportedly gone after a relog. They don't know how to reproduce this. If this is really the case and could be induced and reproduced, then it should surely explain the "wtf arazu out of nowhere is scrambling me after 3 seconds in local"
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Tag Ibby
Minmatar AUF EX INDUSTRIAL REV0LUTI0N
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Posted - 2010.04.19 23:24:00 -
[183]
all it takes is a good sabre or arazu pilot a very good prober good fleet warping and some luck.
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Dirk Culliford
H A V O C Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.04.19 23:40:00 -
[184]
Originally by: Lady Spank Yes, its totally up to The Monkeysphere to provide proof here... or it didn't happen.
~_~
This is the INTERNET!!! GUILTY UNTIL PROVEN INNOCENT
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Tester128
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Posted - 2010.04.19 23:45:00 -
[185]
Originally by: Tag Ibby all it takes is a good sabre or arazu pilot a very good prober good fleet warping and some luck.
it takes some luck to do it once a week doing it 3 times in an hour is more like having 4 extra aces down your seelve
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Grarr Dexx
Amarr GK inc. Panda Team
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Posted - 2010.04.19 23:50:00 -
[186]
If it works why would he tell anybody? ___
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Lubomir Penev
interimo
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Posted - 2010.04.20 00:02:00 -
[187]
Originally by: The Monkeysphere DAY OF ALL THE HAX
THIS IS THE STORY OF A DAY WHERE THERE WAS ALL THIS HAX. A MAN WAS WALKING AROUND AND HAX STARTED COMING OUT OF HIM EVERYWHERE. THERE WAS SO MUCH HAX THAT IT FILLED UP AN ELEVATOR. HE WENT TO THE STORE AND THERE WAS JUST HAX ALL OVER THE PLACE! PEOPLE WERE SLIPPING IN IT AND THEY WERE ALL GROSSED OUT. HE TRIED TO GO SWIMMING AND ALL OF THE SHARKS WENT NUTS AND BITTENED EVERYBODY. HE GOT CHASED BY ALL THE VAMPIRES EVER. ONE TIME THE HAX GOT A KID AND A DOG. AT THE END OF THE DAY EVERYONE DECIDED THEY WOULD SEND HIM TO SPACE SO THAT HE WOULD STOP GETTING HAX EVERY WHERE. THE SCARIEST PART IS THAT THE MAN WAS ME, THE MONKEYSPHERE!!! (OR HE WAS A LADY IF YOU ARE A LADY) AND YOU FORGOT THAT THIS HAPPENED
I guess we should be happy it's not Squad Broken. -- 081014 : emoragequit, char transfered to a friend, 090317 : back to original owner blog |
Romale
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.04.20 00:24:00 -
[188]
listen to the bolsheviks cry. ill go ahead an tell you the one thing you can do to stop the madness that is monkeysphere.... you ready?
stop sucking
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Tonto Auri
Vhero' Multipurpose Corp
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Posted - 2010.04.20 00:50:00 -
[189]
Originally by: Romale listen to the bolsheviks cry. ill go ahead an tell you the one thing you can do to stop the madness that is monkeysphere.... you ready?
stop sucking
You missed the moment that this forum is not CAOD. Stick yourself to the rules or keep hands away from keyboard. -- Thanks CCP for cu |
Lady Spank
Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta
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Posted - 2010.04.20 00:57:00 -
[190]
This is eve general. I guess you could say there's a lot of general bawwing and cries of hax from a lot of clueless people.
What is being presented here as 'fact' or even 'proof' is in fact laughable.
He doesn't even tell his alliance mates how he does this so good luck expecting the general raven ratters to be let in on this.
~_~ ~_~
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oh ok
Amarr Royal Amarr Institute
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Posted - 2010.04.20 01:12:00 -
[191]
Theres threads about no local exploit all over google! It seems a pretty old thing that was possible in that time, and probably its possible now again!
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Grath Telkin
Amarr Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.04.20 01:23:00 -
[192]
All it would really take is one macro ratter burning his account to prove he's cheating.
You guys are really damn bad at this.
Any whiney russians stepping forward to take the bullet for their comrades?
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Blood Mace
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Posted - 2010.04.20 02:00:00 -
[193]
Seems for me, Monkeysphere is a cheater there should be no place for such persons in eve.
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MatrixSkye Mk2
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.04.20 02:32:00 -
[194]
Edited by: MatrixSkye Mk2 on 20/04/2010 02:36:26
Originally by: Grath Telkin All it would really take is one macro ratter burning his account to prove he's cheating.
You guys are really damn bad at this.
Any whiney russians stepping forward to take the bullet for their comrades?
So this 'technique' explicitly and only affects macro accounts (meaning there is no possible way it can work against someone at his PC)? Or is "macro this/that" just the excuse to justify the use of this technique?
Grief a PVP'er. Run a mission today! |
Lee Kin
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Posted - 2010.04.20 02:47:00 -
[195]
It will work on anyone,anywhere. you can't see him in local until he engages you.
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Grath Telkin
Amarr Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.04.20 02:49:00 -
[196]
Edited by: Grath Telkin on 20/04/2010 02:51:16
Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2 Edited by: MatrixSkye Mk2 on 20/04/2010 02:36:26
Originally by: Grath Telkin All it would really take is one macro ratter burning his account to prove he's cheating.
You guys are really damn bad at this.
Any whiney russians stepping forward to take the bullet for their comrades?
So this 'technique' explicitly and only affects macro accounts (meaning there is no possible way it can work against someone at his PC)? Or is "macro this/that" just the excuse to justify the use of this technique?
What are you talking about?
Let me explain:
Nobody cares.
The entirety of the russian community is pretty much seen as Macros, so your complaints fall on deaf ears (this will offend some people, but sometimes, the truth is offensive).
You abuse a macro, to keep your ship safe, in essence, playing in god mode, with log offs, cloaks, and any other thing you can possibly use to NEVER EVER GET KILLED.
Somebody, found a way around your system.
Actually, its more than just one person who knows how to beat it, but you'll find that out over the next few weeks as your macro accounts die with more and more frequency.
We complained, and filed those complaints with CCP.
They did nothing, as your macros are easily able evade CCP's leaky logs that always "show nothing".
Do you really think, after years of you getting away with basically playing immune to the rules the rest of the games legal players had to face, that ANYBODY gives a damn if your getting farmed like the rats in your belts?
Cry more, over the next few weeks, I'd expect to see your systems filling with people using the same technique.
I hope you enjoy it.
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Lee Kin
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Posted - 2010.04.20 02:54:00 -
[197]
Originally by: Grath Telkin Edited by: Grath Telkin on 20/04/2010 02:51:16
Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2 Edited by: MatrixSkye Mk2 on 20/04/2010 02:36:26
Originally by: Grath Telkin All it would really take is one macro ratter burning his account to prove he's cheating.
You guys are really damn bad at this.
Any whiney russians stepping forward to take the bullet for their comrades?
So this 'technique' explicitly and only affects macro accounts (meaning there is no possible way it can work against someone at his PC)? Or is "macro this/that" just the excuse to justify the use of this technique?
What are you talking about?
Let me explain:
Nobody cares.
The entirety of the russian community is pretty much seen as Macros, so your complaints fall on deaf ears (this will offend some people, but sometimes, the truth is offensive).
You abuse a macro, to keep your ship safe, in essence, playing in god mode, with log offs, cloaks, and any other thing you can possibly use to NEVER EVER GET KILLED.
Somebody, found a way around your system.
Actually, its more than just one person who knows how to beat it, but you'll find that out over the next few weeks as your macro accounts die with more and more frequency.
We complained, and filed those complaints with CCP.
They did nothing, as your macros are easily able evade CCP's leaky logs that always "show nothing".
Do you really think, after years of you getting away with basically playing immune to the rules the rest of the games legal players had to face, that ANYBODY gives a damn if your getting farmed like the rats in your belts?
Cry more, over the next few weeks, I'd expect to see your systems filling with people using the same technique.
I hope you enjoy it.
What happens when you use this exploit to kill an actual player? Do you just call him a macro, even though he had no chance of escape?
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Grath Telkin
Amarr Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.04.20 02:55:00 -
[198]
Originally by: Lee Kin
Originally by: Grath Telkin Edited by: Grath Telkin on 20/04/2010 02:51:16
Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2 Edited by: MatrixSkye Mk2 on 20/04/2010 02:36:26
Originally by: Grath Telkin All it would really take is one macro ratter burning his account to prove he's cheating.
You guys are really damn bad at this.
Any whiney russians stepping forward to take the bullet for their comrades?
So this 'technique' explicitly and only affects macro accounts (meaning there is no possible way it can work against someone at his PC)? Or is "macro this/that" just the excuse to justify the use of this technique?
What are you talking about?
Let me explain:
Nobody cares.
The entirety of the russian community is pretty much seen as Macros, so your complaints fall on deaf ears (this will offend some people, but sometimes, the truth is offensive).
You abuse a macro, to keep your ship safe, in essence, playing in god mode, with log offs, cloaks, and any other thing you can possibly use to NEVER EVER GET KILLED.
Somebody, found a way around your system.
Actually, its more than just one person who knows how to beat it, but you'll find that out over the next few weeks as your macro accounts die with more and more frequency.
We complained, and filed those complaints with CCP.
They did nothing, as your macros are easily able evade CCP's leaky logs that always "show nothing".
Do you really think, after years of you getting away with basically playing immune to the rules the rest of the games legal players had to face, that ANYBODY gives a damn if your getting farmed like the rats in your belts?
Cry more, over the next few weeks, I'd expect to see your systems filling with people using the same technique.
I hope you enjoy it.
What happens when you use this exploit to kill an actual player? Do you just call him a macro, even though he had no chance of escape?
No, I'd ask him, how in the hell he keeps dying to log in traps, then call him stupid, then get him booted from corp, then, I'd find him, and log in trap him myself.
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Lee Kin
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Posted - 2010.04.20 03:06:00 -
[199]
Except it's not a log in trap. It's a hack that masks you in local until you have a target and are ready to engage.
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Opertone
Caldari SIEGE. Reckoning.
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Posted - 2010.04.20 03:07:00 -
[200]
Originally by: MegaDocent's Trader I think, that he kill Russian pilots, because he think, that we don't know English and cannot write here.
Also one bot owner say, that cheat user demand a payment. And he think, that some bot owners pay to cheat user.
no offense intended, but could it be CCP's major countermeasures vs macrobots. It looks clear to me that this triplet (lolinternet and monkeysshepere, goose hypocrisy) are aiming at vague, borderline legit problems of macro ratters. Maybe instead of taking legal action and officially banning the macrobot owners, CCP wants to punish them in this silent and obscure way.
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Grath Telkin
Amarr Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.04.20 03:12:00 -
[201]
Edited by: Grath Telkin on 20/04/2010 03:12:59
Originally by: Lee Kin Except it's not a log in trap. It's a hack that masks you in local until you have a target and are ready to engage.
What your doing is called Slander, you should look it up.
Can you PROVE it?
EDIT: because I can prove what I'm saying, but somehow, I doubt you can.
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Lee Kin
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Posted - 2010.04.20 03:24:00 -
[202]
Originally by: Grath Telkin Edited by: Grath Telkin on 20/04/2010 03:12:59
Originally by: Lee Kin Except it's not a log in trap. It's a hack that masks you in local until you have a target and are ready to engage.
What your doing is called Slander, you should look it up.
Can you PROVE it?
EDIT: because I can prove what I'm saying, but somehow, I doubt you can.
Settle down young man. I'm not angry about it as he's never done anything to me. I have been a gang as one of several cloaked scouts that observed him doing this though. He traveled 7 jumps right past us without ever showing in local. We watched him at gates and saw him appear in local as he engaged somebody. CCP won't accept fraps or screenshots as proof, so what can you do? Just keep playing. As a side note, with the use of locater agents we found that the server has trouble tracking him at times as well.
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Opertone
Caldari SIEGE. Reckoning.
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Posted - 2010.04.20 03:33:00 -
[203]
Originally by: MAKC MAXHO
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Please stop with your jibberish, we don't respect that sort of arse gravy.
In the end... I think this has been a very good advertisement for one of the coolest players I am now are of on Eve... MonkeySphere, I will now look up to him and follow in his footsteps for when I want to get rid or **** off some russians.
Если тебя не затруднит - пиши попроще. Язык гетто я не понимаю.
this one is a masterpiece:
Your text makes almost as much sense as the way I have written this response to your concerns. I hereby declare you have received -1 BIG L4n points.
Didn't get ****, but faithfully believe it was something said smart. Would you be so kind to write in a simple manner, I do not understand the ghetto language.
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Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2010.04.20 03:34:00 -
[204]
[tinfoil]Sounds like someone is using GM commands to teleport around next to ratters and not show up in local.[/tinfoil] And why not? CCP can't prove that these people are using macros to rat so who is going to prove that CCP gave out some GM haxz to fight them? Tbh I'm cool with it.
Originally by: CCP Zymurgist Get off the forums and go kill someone!
Originally by: Amarr Supremacist Yeah, it(Jaguar) almost has cruiser level tank and gank!
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Grath Telkin
Amarr Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.04.20 03:35:00 -
[205]
Originally by: Lee Kin
Originally by: Grath Telkin Edited by: Grath Telkin on 20/04/2010 03:12:59
Originally by: Lee Kin Except it's not a log in trap. It's a hack that masks you in local until you have a target and are ready to engage.
What your doing is called Slander, you should look it up.
Can you PROVE it?
EDIT: because I can prove what I'm saying, but somehow, I doubt you can.
Settle down young man. I'm not angry about it as he's never done anything to me. I have been a gang as one of several cloaked scouts that observed him doing this though. He traveled 7 jumps right past us without ever showing in local. We watched him at gates and saw him appear in local as he engaged somebody. CCP won't accept fraps or screenshots as proof, so what can you do? Just keep playing. As a side note, with the use of locater agents we found that the server has trouble tracking him at times as well.
Of course you would track and locator agent a random guy you just happen to see pass you by as you sit cloaked as a scout.
To top this off, its totally believable that you also would then screen shot and fraps said individual because you knew where he was to even bother doing that.
Oh wait, no you didn't, because your locator agent couldn't find him.
So which is it?
He shows in local, and you follow him around snapping screen shots, and frapsing him, after having used a locator agent to pin down which of the 5000 eve solar systems he's in
OR
He doesn't show in local, you saw him once, or heard a story from a corp mate about him, you have no screen shots, you have no fraps (because you can't ever find him, because he never shows in local, and can't be tracked by locator agents) thus making your last post an utter lie, because you have no proof.
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Tonto Auri
Vhero' Multipurpose Corp
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Posted - 2010.04.20 03:39:00 -
[206]
Originally by: Grath Telkin
Of course you would track and locator agent a random guy you just happen to see pass you by as you sit cloaked as a scout.
To top this off, its totally believable that you also would then screen shot and fraps said individual because you knew where he was to even bother doing that.
Oh wait, no you didn't, because your locator agent couldn't find him.
So which is it?
He shows in local, and you follow him around snapping screen shots, and frapsing him, after having used a locator agent to pin down which of the 5000 eve solar systems he's in
OR
He doesn't show in local, you saw him once, or heard a story from a corp mate about him, you have no screen shots, you have no fraps (because you can't ever find him, because he never shows in local, and can't be tracked by locator agents) thus making your last post an utter lie, because you have no proof.
Sadly(?) for you, this is internet. You're guilty until proven innocent. Want to clear their names? Give proof. Want to flood topic to boot? Get reported. -- Thanks CCP for cu |
Lee Kin
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Posted - 2010.04.20 03:43:00 -
[207]
I see him pass without being in local, report it to the guy on the outbound gate. He sees the same thing and so does the guy in the next system on the in gate. The guy on the out gate next door sees it as well. The guy in the 3rd system fraps's it and the out gate guy screen shots it. In total 12 scouts saw it. What do you want me to say? Mass hysteria? I'm looking at the screen shot atm. Chill, they won't do anything about it, but the op sounds like he was really ratting the right way and got royally screwed by this. Tough luck.
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Grath Telkin
Amarr Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.04.20 03:43:00 -
[208]
Edited by: Grath Telkin on 20/04/2010 03:44:55 Edited by: Grath Telkin on 20/04/2010 03:44:19
Originally by: Tonto Auri
Originally by: Grath Telkin
Of course you would track and locator agent a random guy you just happen to see pass you by as you sit cloaked as a scout.
To top this off, its totally believable that you also would then screen shot and fraps said individual because you knew where he was to even bother doing that.
Oh wait, no you didn't, because your locator agent couldn't find him.
So which is it?
He shows in local, and you follow him around snapping screen shots, and frapsing him, after having used a locator agent to pin down which of the 5000 eve solar systems he's in
OR
He doesn't show in local, you saw him once, or heard a story from a corp mate about him, you have no screen shots, you have no fraps (because you can't ever find him, because he never shows in local, and can't be tracked by locator agents) thus making your last post an utter lie, because you have no proof.
Sadly(?) for you, this is internet. You're guilty until proven innocent. Want to clear their names? Give proof. Want to flood topic to boot? Get reported.
You don't get it, you're the one making the accusation, YOU ARE THE ONE who bears the burden of proof.
Originally by: Lee Kin I see him pass without being in local, report it to the guy on the outbound gate. He sees the same thing and so does the guy in the next system on the in gate. The guy on the out gate next door sees it as well. The guy in the 3rd system fraps's it and the out gate guy screen shots it. In total 12 scouts saw it. What do you want me to say? Mass hysteria? I'm looking at the screen shot atm. Chill, they won't do anything about it, but the op sounds like he was really ratting the right way and got royally screwed by this. Tough luck.
If your looking at the screen shot right now, host it on photobucket or some other random site and link it here.
I'll wait while you do that
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Salastil
Gallente ElitistOps Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.04.20 03:53:00 -
[209]
Eve chat is just a MIRC server, you can close and leave channels. We figured out how to close the local one, big whoop deal with it.
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Opertone
Caldari SIEGE. Reckoning.
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Posted - 2010.04.20 03:56:00 -
[210]
and by the way, http://forum.eve-ru.com/index.php is run by a bunch of ******s. First, the pages are full with off topic posts. Second, the forum denies registration, because it's made with ass-hand approach.
I tried registering 10 times, the CAPCHA is just annoying piece of malicious coding. Congratulations!
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Lee Kin
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Posted - 2010.04.20 03:57:00 -
[211]
CCP doesn't take screens as proof. If they did, I would. They don't though, so relax...he's safe for now.
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ChuckBass
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Posted - 2010.04.20 04:00:00 -
[212]
Originally by: Lee Kin CCP doesn't take screens as proof. If they did, I would. They don't though, so relax...he's safe for now.
terrible, terrible troll
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Grath Telkin
Amarr Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.04.20 04:01:00 -
[213]
Originally by: Lee Kin CCP doesn't take screens as proof. If they did, I would. They don't though, so relax...he's safe for now.
You don't seem to understand.
You're publicly calling Monkey a cheat.
I'm publicly calling you a Liar.
Post the screen shot and shut me up, prove me wrong, to ME, to the EVE community to which you've brought whinging to.
I don't care what CCP accepts as proof, I WANT TO SEE THE SCREEN SHOT LINKED HERE.
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Salastil
Gallente ElitistOps Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.04.20 04:05:00 -
[214]
Monkeysphere actually gave me the UI injection program that is based off the 2007-08 UI leak. Thats how I caught Tweakboy and his other Tengu alt yesterday. I simply logged out of local and tackled them at the anonmaly and belt.
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Kazaux Aux
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.04.20 04:08:00 -
[215]
Originally by: Salastil Eve chat is just a MIRC server, you can close and leave channels. We figured out how to close the local one, big whoop deal with it.
we only can do that with those slash (/) devtools we found though
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Lee Kin
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Posted - 2010.04.20 04:10:00 -
[216]
Originally by: Grath Telkin
Originally by: Lee Kin CCP doesn't take screens as proof. If they did, I would. They don't though, so relax...he's safe for now.
You don't seem to understand.
You're publicly calling Monkey a cheat.
I'm publicly calling you a Liar.
Post the screen shot and shut me up, prove me wrong, to ME, to the EVE community to which you've brought whinging to.
I don't care what CCP accepts as proof, I WANT TO SEE THE SCREEN SHOT LINKED HERE.
I'm not calling him anything, just being honest as to what I saw. You're being a salty little punk posturing in a way you most likely wouldn't have the guts to if we were to meet irl. So stand down skinny college kid, I don't sweat you. I am now laughing with others on vent as we all watch his movie:P
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Grath Telkin
Amarr Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.04.20 04:14:00 -
[217]
Originally by: Lee Kin
I'm not calling him anything, just being honest as to what I saw. You're being a salty little punk posturing in a way you most likely wouldn't have the guts to if we were to meet irl. So stand down skinny college kid, I don't sweat you. I am now laughing with others on vent as we all watch his movie:P
You must have taken screen shots of me as well, for you are right, I am skinny, and in college, there can be no doubt as to the truth of all of your words now.
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Opertone
Caldari SIEGE. Reckoning.
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Posted - 2010.04.20 04:16:00 -
[218]
Originally by: Salastil Monkeysphere actually gave me the UI injection program that is based off the 2007-08 UI leak. Thats how I caught Tweakboy and his other Tengu alt yesterday. I simply logged out of local and tackled them at the anonmaly and belt.
troll? Proof or BBQ. I you have cheats, then I demand a macaca.
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IsoMetricanTaliac 2
Gallente Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2010.04.20 04:27:00 -
[219]
Originally by: Slade Trillgon Could it be, by some odd chance or by many of lifes numerous potential distractions, that your percetion of time is scewed by more then a few seconds?
I know this is an ass of a question, but I had to ask either way.
Slade
This is what I think has happened also for the time frame as it isn't hard to lose track when your fighting for your life or whatever.
In a Time When Many Will Seek Death, There Will Always Be Those Like Me Who Won't Mind Helping Them Along Their Way!?! |
Arvano
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Posted - 2010.04.20 04:42:00 -
[220]
Alright, I've read this entire thread. Let me see if I got this straight.
Someone in EVE is not showing up in local, and is appearing, almost like magic, mere inches from other peoples' ships, catching them entirely off guard, giving no chance of escape or evasive actions, and popping them almost instantly -
and you all have decided that this is completely fine, and that the only people affected are botters/scripters/other people who generally use illegal programs to play the game for them whilst they are AFK.
Am I correct? If I am correct, then I don't understand that attitude. If someone is jumping into a system, not showing up on the local chat, and appearing like magic *poof* in front of your ship almost instantly, then at best an exploit is being used, and at worst something more serious is being used.
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Grath Telkin
Amarr Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.04.20 04:46:00 -
[221]
Originally by: Arvano
Am I correct?
No
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Lady Spank
Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta
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Posted - 2010.04.20 05:08:00 -
[222]
Here is proofs of monkey shere hacs in my local, you can see uncloq effect around his mordu rapire and no evidence in local, as you can see local has not been dottored for photoshops.
He kill my macro ratbot tristan with machariel moment later.
I think this is best evidence so far of this phenomenoms. ~_~
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Grath Telkin
Amarr Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.04.20 05:16:00 -
[223]
Originally by: Lee Kin
As a side note, with the use of locater agents we found that the server has trouble tracking him at times as well.
Just wanted to come back to this little tid bit right here.
It would seem you are unable to properly work your locator agent.
The fine gentlemen on the EVE-RU forum, have several posts tracking Monkey with agents.
Even in wormholes it seems to be finding him JUST fine.
Seems pretty easy to find to me
So, got that picture uploaded yet?
Eve files will do just fine, just link it
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Dodgy Past
Amarr Debitum Naturae BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2010.04.20 05:18:00 -
[224]
Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2 Edited by: MatrixSkye Mk2 on 19/04/2010 23:03:58
Originally by: Zarstrax
Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2 So if what he does is not considered an exploit by CCP would anyone mind posting exactly it is what he does or link to a page in English (if at all possible)?
He won't say. I guess it's a valuable secret.
Well, if it's not an exploit it sounds like a helluva "technique" .
Really does say something about you that you'd rather believe macro ratters and accuse someone killing them of 'hax' ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- you seem determined to turn it into ******* Hollyoaks for neckbeards. |
Johanes Sajer
Don't Taze Me Bro
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Posted - 2010.04.20 05:27:00 -
[225]
Originally by: Gunnanmon Were you spying on yourself? Maybe you're not trustworthy.
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Rakshasa Taisab
Caldari Sane Industries Inc. Initiative Mercenaries
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Posted - 2010.04.20 05:56:00 -
[226]
. o O ( If I ever wrote a bot I'd add some special code in it that made it not warp out when my characters or those of my friends entered local )
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Thatkidnamedrocky
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.04.20 06:08:00 -
[227]
Originally by: Rakshasa Taisab . o O ( If I ever wrote a bot I'd add some special code in it that made it not warp out when my characters or those of my friends entered local )
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Ralara
Caldari Vivicide Vivisection.
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Posted - 2010.04.20 06:32:00 -
[228]
Edited by: Ralara on 20/04/2010 06:34:49 Well you're safe for a day or so, I think he's currently stuck in a class 3 wormhole trying to get out
He doesn't exploit as far as I can tell, I've entered systems where he's been in there with his alts, cloaked - I'm sure if he didn't want to be found and had this "exploit" (which AFAIK has been patched, Burn Eden's used it before it was fixed) he wouldn't have been in local. --
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casai
Caldari North Eastern Swat
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Posted - 2010.04.20 07:46:00 -
[229]
This is sourcery people im calling it right now
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Lady Spank
Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta
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Posted - 2010.04.20 07:49:00 -
[230]
No one disputered my proofs. More proofs. ~_~
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Seth Ruin
Minmatar Ominous Corp Primary.
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Posted - 2010.04.20 08:13:00 -
[231]
My best friend's sister's boyfriend's brother's girlfriend heard from this guy who knows this kid who's going with the girl who saw Monkeysphere disappear from local. I guess it's pretty serious.
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Adunh Slavy
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Posted - 2010.04.20 10:04:00 -
[232]
Edited by: Adunh Slavy on 20/04/2010 10:04:56
Originally by: Lady Spank No one disputered my proofs. More proofs.
If you're gonna fake something, you really should get better a photoshop, or gimp or whatever you used, first.
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MatrixSkye Mk2
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.04.20 10:39:00 -
[233]
Originally by: Grath Telkin What are you talking about?
I'm asking a simple question: Does this only affect cheaters or not? Can this be used on someone that is NOT a macro? It's a simple yes or no question.
Quote: Let me explain:
Nobody cares.
Some people DO care. Not everyone is a macro, you know. It just sounds to me like you're justifying the validity of this technique "because of macros". I don't use macros and would like to know if this in any way whatsoever would affect a player AT THE KEYBOARD. I asked the quesiton and you evaded it. Why?
Quote: The entirety of the russian community is pretty much seen as Macros, so your complaints fall on deaf ears (this will offend some people, but sometimes, the truth is offensive).
Not everybody is Russian. Not everybody is a macro. But nice generalizations there .
Quote: You abuse a macro, to keep your ship safe, in essence, playing in god mode, with log offs, cloaks, and any other thing you can possibly use to NEVER EVER GET KILLED.
I really don't know why it is so difficult for you to understand NOT EVERYONE IS USING MACROS! I can't simply make it any clearer to you. Why are you insisting anyone ratting at a belt must be a macro and thus deserves to have this technique used on them?
Quote: Somebody, found a way around your system.
[sigh] MY SYSTEM? Are you on drugs?
Quote: Actually, its more than just one person who knows how to beat it, but you'll find that out over the next few weeks as your macro accounts die with more and more frequency.
My macro accounts? You keep accusing everyone questioning the use of this technique as "macros"? Again, does this ONLY affect macro accounts?
Quote: We complained, and filed those complaints with CCP.
They did nothing, as your macros are easily able evade CCP's leaky logs that always "show nothing".
Yes, my macros .
Quote: Do you really think, after years of you getting away with basically playing immune to the rules the rest of the games legal players had to face, that ANYBODY gives a damn if your getting farmed like the rats in your belts?
Yes, my macros. Why do you insist I'm using macros and therefore I deserve to have this technique used on me? Never encountered this monkey guy, never had this technique done on me. However, given that the technique seems a little strange I'd like to know if it would affect me (A PLAYER AT THE KEYBOARD NOT USING ANY MACROS).
Quote: Cry more, over the next few weeks, I'd expect to see your systems filling with people using the same technique.
I hope you enjoy it.
Not crying. Questioning the validity of a technique that seems a little 'out of place'. Being able to delay the appearance in local seems a little strange, as to my knowledge there are no mechanics in place that allow for such a technique to be used other than in WH space.
I'm curious as to why you keep emphasizing that the "technique" is justified in being used because of macros. And I'm even more curious as to why you haven't been upfront on whether this technique explicitly affects macro accounts (ie, doesn't affect players at the keyboard).
Grief a PVP'er. Run a mission today! |
Poison Punch
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Posted - 2010.04.20 10:45:00 -
[234]
Originally by: Lee Kin
Originally by: Grath Telkin Edited by: Grath Telkin on 20/04/2010 03:12:59
Originally by: Lee Kin Except it's not a log in trap. It's a hack that masks you in local until you have a target and are ready to engage.
What your doing is called Slander, you should look it up.
Can you PROVE it?
EDIT: because I can prove what I'm saying, but somehow, I doubt you can.
Settle down young man. I'm not angry about it as he's never done anything to me. I have been a gang as one of several cloaked scouts that observed him doing this though. He traveled 7 jumps right past us without ever showing in local. We watched him at gates and saw him appear in local as he engaged somebody. CCP won't accept fraps or screenshots as proof, so what can you do? Just keep playing. As a side note, with the use of locater agents we found that the server has trouble tracking him at times as well.
i saw you use a local invisibility cheat once as well, so i don't know how you have any right to complain.
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Ded MATAP
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Posted - 2010.04.20 10:47:00 -
[235]
Matrix, look at monkey's killboard.
I doubt that all these ppl was macros. So yes, he can use his "Sure Win" method on "player at keyboard" as well.
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Dodgy Past
Amarr Debitum Naturae BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2010.04.20 10:48:00 -
[236]
Simple comment.... if it's such a big deal and people have been seeing this happen why have their been no links to pictures.
Your crusade against anyone that attacks carebears is getting rather pathetic., and you seem to be over identifying with the victims.
I would once again suggest that this is more a case of clever scouting followed by a killing rampage using the information that has been gathered, and the likelihood that many of the victims are using macros so don't know exactly what happened.
I assume you actually have yet to be a victim since you'd never dare set move away from the relative safety of hi sec. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- you seem determined to turn it into ******* Hollyoaks for neckbeards. |
Taua Roqa
Minmatar Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2010.04.20 10:57:00 -
[237]
Edited by: Taua Roqa on 20/04/2010 10:59:18 it's just a simple code injection @ the network level between client and server, as the chat channels are hosted by a server not connected to the system node shards(as stated by GMs), you can prevent yourself from showing up in local by brownboxing the network stack. Stops you appearing in all other channels too, unfortunately, but no much of a problem.
edit: that people think this is a joke is p funny, it's only been leaked now cos a macro that can vaguely speak english has blabbed on the forums.
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MatrixSkye Mk2
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.04.20 11:03:00 -
[238]
Edited by: MatrixSkye Mk2 on 20/04/2010 11:06:52
Originally by: Dodgy Past Simple comment.... if it's such a big deal and people have been seeing this happen why have their been no links to pictures.
Your crusade against anyone that attacks carebears is getting rather pathetic., and you seem to be over identifying with the victims.
I would once again suggest that this is more a case of clever scouting followed by a killing rampage using the information that has been gathered, and the likelihood that many of the victims are using macros so don't know exactly what happened.
I assume you actually have yet to be a victim since you'd never dare set move away from the relative safety of hi sec.
Are we supposed to trust that this "technique" will never be used on a non-cheating player? . Do we just take Pandemic Legion's word that, if they indeed are using an exploit, it will only be used on other cheaters? And if indeed they've found an exploit, that they get to decide who is macroing and who isn't? And thus, they can justly decide who this "technique" is used on? Really? Scout's honor? .
Originally by: Taua Roqa Edited by: Taua Roqa on 20/04/2010 10:59:18 it's just a simple code injection @ the network level between client and server, as the chat channels are hosted by a server not connected to the system node shards(as stated by GMs), you can prevent yourself from showing up in local by brownboxing the network stack. Stops you appearing in all other channels too, unfortunately, but no much of a problem.
edit: that people think this is a joke is p funny, it's only been leaked now cos a macro that can vaguely speak english has blabbed on the forums.
I'm sorry but this sounds like an exploit/hack . Can anyone clarify why this would not be considered cheating?
Grief a PVP'er. Run a mission today! |
fivetide humidyear
Gallente Fool Mental Junket
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Posted - 2010.04.20 11:09:00 -
[239]
space russians > all at not having a clue about game mechanics and what happens when you logofski or more particularly logonski.
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Rellik B00n
Minmatar Lethal Death Squad
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Posted - 2010.04.20 11:22:00 -
[240]
Originally by: Seth Ruin My best friend's sister's boyfriend's brother's girlfriend heard from this guy who knows this kid who's going with the girl who saw Monkeysphere disappear from local. I guess it's pretty serious.
I heard that you were feeling ill Headache, fever, and a chill I came to help restore your pluck Cause I'm the nurse who likes to
Thread of April award. + LDSkill+hireLDS |
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Thatkidnamedrocky
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.04.20 11:26:00 -
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the monkey guy killed one of my corp mates who is not a macro ratter so if he is using hacks then hes not just killing macro ratters
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Tonto Auri
Vhero' Multipurpose Corp
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Posted - 2010.04.20 11:34:00 -
[242]
Originally by: Grath Telkin You don't get it, you're the one making the accusation, YOU ARE THE ONE who bears the burden of proof.
No. You are trying to apply real world practices to internet community. They can't be applied in the way you want, unfortunately for you. You're guilty just because you are logged in and posting here, you don't understand? I can't hold your hand and look into your eyes to make sure you are not lying = you lying. That's enough for me. If you're not lying, if they are not guilty, why you so forcefully defending them? Also, i'm not making accusations, i'm stating the obvious. What person in the subject does is impossible for normal character. Either these killmails are all fake, or he using mechanics unavailable for normal character. Knowing that 9 out of 10 killboards using API for retrieving kills, and knowing that your one highly likely included in these 9 I'm forced to believe these are not fake. Therefore, the latter is in play. Anyone who have simple calculator and 4 classes of elementary school will tell you the same. If you can prove that my simple math is wrong, go ahead. Power your fraps, get one of the mentioned ships and demonstrate us, how's it all possible. -- Thanks CCP for cu |
Taua Roqa
Minmatar Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2010.04.20 11:36:00 -
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perhaps they just have them added to their address books on alts, with mains logged off in a belt, and when a macrobot logs in (after logging off at a belt - they know what belt they logged off at because of the wrecks left) they log in, autowarp to the same belt...and the macrobot dies :((((
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Tonto Auri
Vhero' Multipurpose Corp
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Posted - 2010.04.20 11:45:00 -
[244]
Originally by: Taua Roqa perhaps they just have them added to their address books on alts, with mains logged off in a belt, and when a macrobot logs in (after logging off at a belt - they know what belt they logged off at because of the wrecks left) they log in, autowarp to the same belt...and the macrobot dies :((((
And they are logged off at the same time in 3 different systems? You're showing amount of your wisdom to everyone in your words. -- Thanks CCP for cu |
Certero
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Posted - 2010.04.20 11:49:00 -
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Originally by: Tonto Auri
And they are logged off at the same time in 3 different systems? You're showing amount of your wisdom to everyone in your words.
bcos it's easy to say that all russians use macros than think a bit ((( this situation will not change while number of non-russian players will be killed in same way.
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Thargat
Caldari The Executives IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.04.20 11:51:00 -
[246]
This thread
Bridges, blackop cynos, logonski and/or wormholes. Take a pick.
Necroing the old 0.0 thread
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Dodgy Past
Amarr Debitum Naturae BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2010.04.20 11:57:00 -
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Edited by: Dodgy Past on 20/04/2010 11:58:16
Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2 ]Are we supposed to trust that this "technique" will never be used on a non-cheating player? . Do we just take Pandemic Legion's word that, if they indeed are using an exploit, it will only be used on other cheaters? And if indeed they've found an exploit, that they get to decide who is macroing and who isn't? And thus, they can justly decide who this "technique" is used on? Really? Scout's honor? .
Actually they say they aren't using any cheats, it's the victims that are claiming the hack but refusing to provide any evidence.
/though maybe you're completely unable to recognise even the most blatant trolling.
Interesting that despite this lack of evidence and the fact that even you suspect they're probably macros ( and therefore also not at their computers when the attacks occur ), you still seem pretty convinced by them.
I'm just saying that you're conclusions don't seem very logical and are probably coloured by your pathological fear of people that shoot other people. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- you seem determined to turn it into ******* Hollyoaks for neckbeards. |
David Grogan
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.04.20 12:23:00 -
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Originally by: SuperTight5 First of all, I play more than 5 years and know the rules, especially concerning ratting in 0.0
I was ratting in belt in dead-end system with empty local, my scout was in nearby system at the gate. Suddenly, three negatives from Pandemic Legion appeared in local (wormhole?) and within 2 seconds I hit warp to safe spot. But in the next second 2 ships appeared near me (not warped in, just appeared!) and I got scrambled and popped.
So, how is this possible, to lock a ship at random belt within 3 seconds after entering local? Even login trap would take much more time.
Is it exploit, or it is possible with legitimate tactic?
3 appearing in local 2 beside u sounds like the other one u didnt se was a covert cyno and u got popped by cov ops ships was them in a pilgrim, falcon, arazu or rapier, stealth bomber, t3 ship by any chance? SIG: if my message has spelling errors its cos i fail at typing properly :P |
Razor Jaxx
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.04.20 12:27:00 -
[249]
ITT, irony, karma & poetic justice.
I agree that CCP must end this madness. I vote that we kill local chat in 0.0 so that we can all be Monkeyspheres \o/.
Local chat should not be a source of intel, much less one that can be used for bot automation like warp & cloak or logoffski - which the botters actually admit to in this thread.
0.0 immunity = wrong. I just wish it didn't take Monkeysphere's crazy ingenuity, skills & efforts to pull it off ; what he does should be the standard rule in 0.0.
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Zofran
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Posted - 2010.04.20 12:37:00 -
[250]
This thread and the accusers make UFO nuts look fairly sane; evidence to substantiate claims : strangely absent
Don't worry, my Russian friends; I made you a nice poster that you can hang behind your desk while you work hard, ratting. Hunt me some ~exploiting~ sons of *****es.
Poster Link
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Certero
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Posted - 2010.04.20 12:42:00 -
[251]
Edited by: Certero on 20/04/2010 12:44:15 Edited by: Certero on 20/04/2010 12:43:02
Originally by: Razor Jaxx I vote that we kill local chat in 0.0 so that we can all be Monkeyspheres \o/.
Yea! It will be nice decision! And game will be more realistic. But we need to have this feature for all players - so pilots will know they MUST use scanner always (they don't use it now if nobody is in local chat)... My vote for removing local chat outside empire space!
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Vincent Gaines
Macabre Votum
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Posted - 2010.04.20 12:47:00 -
[252]
Edited by: Vincent Gaines on 20/04/2010 12:47:53
Originally by: Certero
Yea! It will be nice decision! And game will be more realistic. But we need to have this feature for all players - so caribears will know they MUST use scanner always (they don't use it now if nobody is in local chat)... My vote for removing local chat outside empire space!
Would be awesome. I'll fly down to Delve and with a gang of 20 bombers we'll sit on the jump bridges, station undocks and gates to gank everything that comes through... not even a scout would know we're there
I'm all for removing local but if you do that everyone will fly cloaky and unprobable ships.... it'd be too good of an advantage to pass up.
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MatrixSkye Mk2
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.04.20 12:56:00 -
[253]
Originally by: Razor Jaxx ITT, irony, karma & poetic justice.
I agree that CCP must end this madness. I vote that we kill local chat in 0.0 so that we can all be Monkeyspheres \o/.
Local chat should not be a source of intel, much less one that can be used for bot automation like warp & cloak or logoffski - which the botters actually admit to in this thread.
0.0 immunity = wrong. I just wish it didn't take Monkeysphere's crazy ingenuity, skills & efforts to pull it off ; what he does should be the standard rule in 0.0.
If he's somehow masking his presence from local through some "ingenuous" and "skillful" technique then that is all gravy, and good for him.
But if he's indeed using an exploit, to somehow justify it because you have a certain opinion on how local should be, is just dead wrong. If you don't like how local chat is now, then petition to have it changed. Don't justify the use of an exploit because you don't like how the game devs have set up local.
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Punkt Landung
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Posted - 2010.04.20 13:00:00 -
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If this is just player initiative - it's great.
If it's CCP CIA style covertly supported player initiative - it's great.
Macros and RMT suck - I've long been a believer that the Eve player base are the best people to deal with the macro contingent, I hope CCP realise this too and are helping to provide players with the tools to screw these people over.
I've met plenty of Russians and they are lovely people, brave, kind hearted, very funny and clever. Clever enough to work out that running macros 24hrs a day makes more sense than toiling on a building site or driving a train. If this was profitable for UK and US players then I'm sure you'd see the same. But the fact is that it kills the game so power to monkeyshere and his friends for trying to wipe to out.
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Ole Biscuitbarrel
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Posted - 2010.04.20 13:01:00 -
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Now this topic was actualy coverd in effect by my parents when i beat a school bully for bullying a smaller kid.
TWO WRONGS DON'T MAKE A RIGHT
CCP in general encorage dishonesty and possibly are probably somewhat loath to act or even acknowledge this as they currently have no counter to it. Why don't apear to have a client mirroring service which would be a simple and effective way of policing ALL explois/hax/macros out of the game Occasionaly players can inspire action (remember when some ccp devs were openly were cheating and the outrage it caused) but action was taken all be it after a long time
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MatrixSkye Mk2
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.04.20 13:08:00 -
[256]
Originally by: Punkt Landung If this is just player initiative - it's great.
If it's CCP CIA style covertly supported player initiative - it's great.
Macros and RMT suck - I've long been a believer that the Eve player base are the best people to deal with the macro contingent, I hope CCP realise this too and are helping to provide players with the tools to screw these people over.
I've met plenty of Russians and they are lovely people, brave, kind hearted, very funny and clever. Clever enough to work out that running macros 24hrs a day makes more sense than toiling on a building site or driving a train. If this was profitable for UK and US players then I'm sure you'd see the same. But the fact is that it kills the game so power to monkeyshere and his friends for trying to wipe to out.
And if it's being used on non-macro players? Is it still great?
Do we just turn a blind eye and let a few players play god-mode and decide who deserves to be exploited on and who doesn't?
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species2143
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Posted - 2010.04.20 13:13:00 -
[257]
One must ask themselves:
What seems to be more likely, that among all the seasoned players and botter nobody apart from monkey have found the right strategy to SupriseButtSX botter and ratter. Or that maybe he does have an advantage that nobody else has.
Occam's razor:
"All things being equal, the simplest solution tends to be the right one."
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Zofran
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Posted - 2010.04.20 13:16:00 -
[258]
Due to a large amount of win and tears being generated by this thread, I will once again grace you with a poster that you can hang behind your desk while your PC does all the work.
Poster #2 - More cry, more whine
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Merchant Queen
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Posted - 2010.04.20 13:24:00 -
[259]
So it's holy batman and robin the good all in one fighting evil botters for the greater good and never abusing his superpowers bcos of his scout word. Would be a nice next step to give your government an authority to arrest anyone looking like a terrorist without warrant. I mean, it's for the greater good and they wont abuse it for sure. Oh wait, you did it already...
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Taua Roqa
Minmatar Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2010.04.20 13:30:00 -
[260]
Originally by: Tonto Auri
Originally by: Taua Roqa perhaps they just have them added to their address books on alts, with mains logged off in a belt, and when a macrobot logs in (after logging off at a belt - they know what belt they logged off at because of the wrecks left) they log in, autowarp to the same belt...and the macrobot dies :((((
And they are logged off at the same time in 3 different systems? You're showing amount of your wisdom to everyone in your words.
it's not like it's pure chance, they enter local, bot logs off but bot is in their alts address book, they scour the belts, find where the bot got to (only some npc killed or an npc with partial damage) and they also log off there, then when bot logs back in PL log back in at the same time, they all warp to belt and the bot dies.
i'm just guessing, i'm a highsec noob so i don't have much wisdom :((((
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DIM69ON
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Posted - 2010.04.20 13:30:00 -
[261]
Originally by: Zofran Due to a large amount of win and tears being generated by this thread, I will once again grace you with a poster that you can hang behind your desk while your PC does all the work.
Poster #2 - More cry, more whine
funny man, you so funny.. we need more posts! Show everyone what you genius
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Razor Jaxx
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.04.20 13:33:00 -
[262]
Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2 And if it's being used on non-macro players? Is it still great?
Do we just turn a blind eye and let a few players play god-mode and decide who deserves to be exploited on and who doesn't?
Until you have proof that Monkey's actions are anything but careful preparation, skills and ingenuity, please refrain for crying haxsploit. On the contrary, so far in this thread the only admittance of wrongdoing comes from macroers who freely admit to using botting software.
Which leads me, ironically, to the god-mode you speak of. 0.0 was never meant to be risk-free, and bots scanning local chat for unwanted presence, and subsequently automating warp & cloak or logoff, ARE in fact god-mode.
But this phenomena isn't limited to bots. Players relying on local chat to warp & cloak or logoff at the first sign of an unfamiliar or hostile face in local are in fact evading the risk inherent to 0.0, and that should not be happening.
Hence, local must go. And until then, I am thankful for Monkey's action as some sort of masked bringer of awesum justice to deal with the evil risk-free leeches of 0.0. Yeah, Monkey = Batman.
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domitesting
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Posted - 2010.04.20 13:37:00 -
[263]
Originally by: Razor Jaxx
Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2 And if it's being used on non-macro players? Is it still great?
Do we just turn a blind eye and let a few players play god-mode and decide who deserves to be exploited on and who doesn't?
Until you have proof that Monkey's actions are anything but careful preparation, skills and ingenuity, please refrain for crying haxsploit. On the contrary, so far in this thread the only admittance of wrongdoing comes from macroers who freely admit to using botting software.
Which leads me, ironically, to the god-mode you speak of. 0.0 was never meant to be risk-free, and bots scanning local chat for unwanted presence, and subsequently automating warp & cloak or logoff, ARE in fact god-mode.
But this phenomena isn't limited to bots. Players relying on local chat to warp & cloak or logoff at the first sign of an unfamiliar or hostile face in local are in fact evading the risk inherent to 0.0, and that should not be happening.
Hence, local must go. And until then, I am thankful for Monkey's action as some sort of masked bringer of awesum justice to deal with the evil risk-free leeches of 0.0. Yeah, Monkey = Batman.
Well get monkey to tell people how they did do it then? By the mere fact he is NOT stating and is reluctant to show how he and his friends do this, pretty much proves its dodgy and people will shout hax...prove them wrong...
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Taua Roqa
Minmatar Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2010.04.20 13:39:00 -
[264]
Originally by: domitesting
Originally by: Razor Jaxx
Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2 And if it's being used on non-macro players? Is it still great?
Do we just turn a blind eye and let a few players play god-mode and decide who deserves to be exploited on and who doesn't?
Until you have proof that Monkey's actions are anything but careful preparation, skills and ingenuity, please refrain for crying haxsploit. On the contrary, so far in this thread the only admittance of wrongdoing comes from macroers who freely admit to using botting software.
Which leads me, ironically, to the god-mode you speak of. 0.0 was never meant to be risk-free, and bots scanning local chat for unwanted presence, and subsequently automating warp & cloak or logoff, ARE in fact god-mode.
But this phenomena isn't limited to bots. Players relying on local chat to warp & cloak or logoff at the first sign of an unfamiliar or hostile face in local are in fact evading the risk inherent to 0.0, and that should not be happening.
Hence, local must go. And until then, I am thankful for Monkey's action as some sort of masked bringer of awesum justice to deal with the evil risk-free leeches of 0.0. Yeah, Monkey = Batman.
Well get monkey to tell people how they did do it then? By the mere fact he is NOT stating and is reluctant to show how he and his friends do this, pretty much proves its dodgy and people will shout hax...prove them wrong...
YEAH! monkeyballs should tell everyone how he does it so the botters can protect themselves!11 ITS ONLY FIAR!!11
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Davader
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Posted - 2010.04.20 13:47:00 -
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Originally by: Razor Jaxx
Until you have proof that Monkey's actions are anything but careful preparation, skills and ingenuity, ..........
LOL. What kind of proofs do you expect? Only some good quality fraps could help, if anybody would record it. As many people tell here: this man can be invisible in the local chat, can warp to a ship in the space without scanning him even if the ship is cloacked. Do you think, all those men are liers?
Originally by: Razor Jaxx
Yeah, Monkey = Batman.
Monkey is just a cheap cheater, not a hero. It doesn't matter, how excatly this "kung-fu" works: exploit, GM-permissions, python code injection on client side, traffic sniffering, it's an illegal way of playing and has to be stopped.
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species2143
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Posted - 2010.04.20 13:50:00 -
[266]
Originally by: Razor Jaxx
Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2 And if it's being used on non-macro players? Is it still great?
Do we just turn a blind eye and let a few players play god-mode and decide who deserves to be exploited on and who doesn't?
Until you have proof that Monkey's actions are anything but careful preparation, skills and ingenuity, please refrain for crying haxsploit. On the contrary, so far in this thread the only admittance of wrongdoing comes from macroers who freely admit to using botting software.
Which leads me, ironically, to the god-mode you speak of. 0.0 was never meant to be risk-free, and bots scanning local chat for unwanted presence, and subsequently automating warp & cloak or logoff, ARE in fact god-mode.
But this phenomena isn't limited to bots. Players relying on local chat to warp & cloak or logoff at the first sign of an unfamiliar or hostile face in local are in fact evading the risk inherent to 0.0, and that should not be happening.
Hence, local must go. And until then, I am thankful for Monkey's action as some sort of masked bringer of awesum justice to deal with the evil risk-free leeches of 0.0. Yeah, Monkey = Batman.
So you really expect us to believe that after of years of god-mode (to use your own words), monkey suddenly is the only one to have developed a "strategy" to catch them all regardless of them paying attention to local or having an automated local-checking system? I had less difficulty digesting the BS excuse for invading errr liberating Iraq. The fact that python can be exploited in various ways and that CCP doesn't have a code-injection detection system in place results in a rather unsuprising "our logs don't show...". Yet, it does still seem quite odd that one player is able to acchieve results unlike any other in EVE when it comes down to ratters and botters.
To be fair I have admit that there is lack of proof of any kind on both the accusing and defendant sides, but there are plenty of clues from the accusing side pointing to the exploit theory which is alot more than you can account for.
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Iteken Hotori
Minmatar Rionnag Alba Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.04.20 13:50:00 -
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Edited by: Iteken Hotori on 20/04/2010 13:54:52
Originally by: Davader Monkey is just a cheap cheater, not a hero. It doesn't matter, how excatly this "kung-fu" works: exploit, GM-permissions, python code injection on client side, traffic sniffering, it's an illegal way of playing and has to be stopped.
Wow. Look how dumb you sound. Best thread since genos PvP vid. +1 would read again.
Quote: To be fair I have admit that there is lack of proof of any kind on both the accusing and defendant sides, but there are plenty of clues from the accusing side pointing to the exploit theory which is alot more than you can account for.
If any of these accusers had a shred of credibility, this would be less funny. You accuse without any proof, and get laughed at, then make up some half-arsed theory, wave your hands about then shout "Proof yayayayayaya". GG :)
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Razor Jaxx
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.04.20 13:56:00 -
[268]
Originally by: domitesting Well get monkey to tell people how they did do it then? By the mere fact he is NOT stating and is reluctant to show how he and his friends do this, pretty much proves its dodgy and people will shout hax...prove them wrong...
Hmm no, it just proves you're a lazy **** who wants to leech off others' smart ideas, or a dumbass who's unable to come up with ideas of his own.
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HMSBlueprint
Gallente The Double Cross
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Posted - 2010.04.20 13:56:00 -
[269]
Originally by: Salastil Eve chat is just a MIRC server, you can close and leave channels. We figured out how to close the local one, big whoop deal with it.
I hope to God your joking, BIG WOOP?
Do you generally understand the idea of a EULA, Don't fiddle with the ****ing client.
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Davader
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Posted - 2010.04.20 13:57:00 -
[270]
Originally by: Iteken Hotori +1 would read again.
Ok, so you're thinking, that Monkey just scans his victims that fast, has incredible luck and perfect skills and there is no cheating? Good luck on that Untill you'll encounter your ship is caught after 3 seconds of neutral appearing in the local...
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Tippia
Reikoku IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.04.20 14:02:00 -
[271]
Originally by: Davader Monkey is just a cheap cheater, not a hero. It doesn't matter, how excatly this "kung-fu" works: exploit, GM-permissions, python code injection on client side, traffic sniffering, it's an illegal way of playing and has to be stopped.
The problem is that no evidence of "kung-fu" has been presented, so how it works or whether it works at all isn't even interesting so far… ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki |
Lady Karma
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Posted - 2010.04.20 14:04:00 -
[272]
Please ensure when writing out your petition against the Evil Monkey, that you include which version of macro software you are using so that CCP can help you with any compatibility issues you may be having with the TQ server.
There are some know issues with some botting software and CCP will be more than happy to help you patch it so that you can once again afk rat in peace.
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species2143
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Posted - 2010.04.20 14:05:00 -
[273]
Originally by: Iteken Hotori
If any of these accusers had a shred of credibility, this would be less funny. You accuse without any proof, and get laughed at, then make up some half-arsed theory, wave your hands about then shout "Proof yayayayayaya". GG :)
What's credibility worth when you can hide behind a character? Nothing. The only thing that remains are the contents of the statements and the facts to support them, elaborate on those rather than attacking the people. In addition, if you read my posts carefully you will notice that I personally don't accuse anyone, unless you where excluding me in your above quoted statement.
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Amberlamps
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Posted - 2010.04.20 14:11:00 -
[274]
Originally by: Arvano Alright, I've read this entire thread. Let me see if I got this straight.
Someone in EVE is not showing up in local, and is appearing, almost like magic, mere inches from other peoples' ships, catching them entirely off guard, giving no chance of escape or evasive actions, and popping them almost instantly -
and you all have decided that this is completely fine, and that the only people affected are botters/scripters/other people who generally use illegal programs to play the game for them whilst they are AFK.
Am I correct? If I am correct, then I don't understand that attitude. If someone is jumping into a system, not showing up on the local chat, and appearing like magic *poof* in front of your ship almost instantly, then at best an exploit is being used, and at worst something more serious is being used.
The thing is... you're not getting it right.
It's a ****ing log in trap, why the **** don't you stupid ruskies get it into your head you are falling for the most basic of traps... for ****s sake stop blaming CCPs game for your low level of intelligence.
I enjoyed the trolling on this thread and I'm so surprised it managed to get to page 9 without getting locked by a moderator but for ****s sake, page 9 and still arm chair experts are appearing giving their stupid and unsupported conspiracy theories of how monkeysphere is kicking the **** out them.
How about this... it took me maybe a minute.. in fact I didn't even have to think I came to my head instantly when the topic was raised in my brain...
MonkeySphere + 2 other players... follow a macro into a system they know the macro will log off instantly in the belt when he jumps into system so he quickly runs a directional on the belt or warps with an extremely fast ship to the celestial with the most belts otherwise know as the star. He then gets a a location on what belt they are in or what multiple belts they may well be in!
Knowing this he flys to 0m on the belt and logs off with the 3 accounts we have all seen on these "hacks". He has an Arazu... an Arazu has a crazy ass point that could point your nan coming out of the bingo hall from pluto.
Now he knows and so does everybody EVEN the ****ing macros know you live off ISK and without ISK you slowly die and diminish its like vampires - blood, jews - gold and footballers - affairs. They can't go without each other.
Even if he couldnt locate you down to one belt he can log off 3 accounts in 3 different belts...
He waits a few minutes maybe even 30 minute as he knows you cloak for the 15 minute timer . He then uses another character or a friend on ventrilo/teamspeak who said macro added to address book when he sees you log on... he logs on... He knows for a FACT that you are unable to cancel the warp back to the belt and once you have logged on you WILL land there. He then simply points you with one of his characters then moves the other 2 characters in for the kill.
He uses IN YOUR FACE dps with the Mach, a nice juicy point with the Arazu and he uses the curse/pilgrim to neut the crap out of whatever your whiny little ass has.
Oh noes I've told the secret!
OH WAIT but it isn't a secret its a simply ****ing log off trick. I am proud I play a game with someone like monkeysphere...
He does NOT appear in local instantly as does everyone else when you log on... there is a lag time between them but its not because he is jumping through a stargate its because he's logging on in your system.
He is not appearing within seconds.... as everyone is a moment of panic, the perception of time goes out of the window. Its a natural human bodily response to "slow" time down. Also another contributing cause is "Communism", I mean "Exaggeration".
I don't believe for one second you guys have scouts sitting on every gate purely for one macro... so don't bull**** us with this crap about scouts seeing him fly past... you're just getting ****ed off with it.
Where is your great leader Nao
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Iteken Hotori
Minmatar Rionnag Alba Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.04.20 14:12:00 -
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Originally by: species2143 Edited by: species2143 on 20/04/2010 14:07:30
Originally by: Iteken Hotori
If any of these accusers had a shred of credibility, this would be less funny. You accuse without any proof, and get laughed at, then make up some half-arsed theory, wave your hands about then shout "Proof yayayayayaya". GG :)
EDIT: Since there are no facts from either side this discussion is bound to spin in circles until more information is provided. In addition, if you read my posts carefully you will notice that I personally don't accuse anyone, unless you where excluding me in your above quoted statement.
The you wasn't "you" specifically but a "the accusers" you. :)
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The Crushah
Gallente Death of Virtue MeatSausage EXPRESS
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Posted - 2010.04.20 14:16:00 -
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I heard Monkeysphere is a witch and sacrifices a real life monkey in order to disappear from local.
No wait, I heard Monkeysphere sends prime grade-A "companions" to CCP employees in Iceland in exchange for being removed from local.
Or was it that Monkeysphere wrote his own client in Fortran and runs it on 20 parallelized PDP-11's using a neural interface.
Or maybe hes just clever and the rest of you are just morons.
I loves me some Monkeysphere.
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Tippia
Reikoku IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.04.20 14:27:00 -
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Originally by: The Crushah Or was it that Monkeysphere wrote his own client in Fortran and runs it on 20 parallelized PDP-11's using a neural interface.
That's just ridiculous. Fortran is a myth. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki |
species2143
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Posted - 2010.04.20 14:32:00 -
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Edited by: species2143 on 20/04/2010 14:35:02
Originally by: The Crushah I heard Monkeysphere is a witch and sacrifices a real life monkey in order to disappear from local.
Would sacrifizing a scottish fold acchieve a partial invulnerability?
On a serious (Ya Rly) note, catching botters that simply logoff is not a big deal since u can predict where they will land. Whereas catching those bots that sit in a safe cloked for a random amount of time, and then warp to a random belt once the system is clear is a TOTALLY different story.
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Certero
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Posted - 2010.04.20 14:43:00 -
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Edited by: Certero on 20/04/2010 14:44:15 Edited by: Certero on 20/04/2010 14:43:59
Originally by: Amberlamps
Even if he couldnt locate you down to one belt he can log off 3 accounts in 3 different belts...
And same in nearest 4-5 systems (to kill 5 ships in a row as we can see at kb, with 5-9 min interval) - so, he can logoff 3x5=15 accounts (or maybe 20 for 4 belts in a sytem? or maybe 40 for 8?). Rly, it's a way to win )))
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Davader
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Posted - 2010.04.20 14:49:00 -
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Edited by: Davader on 20/04/2010 14:50:34 Edited by: Davader on 20/04/2010 14:49:58
Originally by: Certero And same in nearest 4-5 systems (to kill 5 ships in a row as we can see at kb, with 5-9 min interval) - so, he can logoff 3x5=15 accounts (or maybe 20 for 4 belts in a sytem? or maybe 40 for 8?). Rly, it's a way to win )))
Exactly. But then those 100500 accounts would appear on the KB, but there are only 4 of them (arazu, curse, mach. and a sabre). So, this version doesn't work.
How much "lucky" are they, to predict and fly into the exact belt each time in such roamings (5 ships in a row with 5-9 min interval)... Those, who believe in such luck may look at the KB again. Of course, botting is bad, but to use non legal methods to fight against is bad too.
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species2143
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Posted - 2010.04.20 14:53:00 -
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Originally by: Certero Edited by: Certero on 20/04/2010 14:44:15 Edited by: Certero on 20/04/2010 14:43:59
Originally by: Amberlamps
Even if he couldnt locate you down to one belt he can log off 3 accounts in 3 different belts...
And same in nearest 4-5 systems (to kill 5 ships in a row as we can see at kb, with 5-9 min interval) - so, he can logoff 3x5=15 accounts (or maybe 20 for 4 belts in a sytem? or maybe 40 for 8?). Rly, it's a way to win )))
Place bubble when u run out of alts? As previously stated, there are many ways to catch bots/players that simply logoff... things are alot more complex for the second kind of bots that I mentioned previously.
So please ask the guys on the russian forums to provide at least a screenshot of monkey not showing in local or any other kind of proof. Otherwise this discussion is just another "NO YOU" thread without any content.
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Certero
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Posted - 2010.04.20 14:58:00 -
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Originally by: species2143
So please ask the guys on the russian forums to provide at least a screenshot of monkey not showing in local or any other kind of proof. Otherwise this discussion is just another "NO YOU" thread without any content.
We're waiting for sreenshots or fraps - as soon as it will be availabe on the russian forum it will be here too.
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species2143
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Posted - 2010.04.20 15:01:00 -
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In the meantime while we wait for the proof what will the new meme be if this all turns out to be lot's of noise for nothing?
"GOT MONKEY?"
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Seth Ruin
Minmatar Ominous Corp Primary.
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Posted - 2010.04.20 15:04:00 -
[284]
Originally by: Certero
Originally by: species2143
So please ask the guys on the russian forums to provide at least a screenshot of monkey not showing in local or any other kind of proof. Otherwise this discussion is just another "NO YOU" thread without any content.
We're waiting for sreenshots or fraps - as soon as it will be availabe on the russian forum it will be here too.
I'm not sure how reasonable it is to expect fraps, seeing as the whole issue here is that they claim they can't see him in local before he appears. So unless every potential gank target has fraps running 23/7, the chances of catching a video would be pretty slim.
And of course, bots aren't smart enough to take screenshots or fraps anyway.
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Certero
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Posted - 2010.04.20 15:10:00 -
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Originally by: Seth Ruin
And of course, bots aren't smart enough to take screenshots or fraps anyway.
)))
but there were number of kills there victims weren't bots - that's why russians began discuss this problem on their forum and started this thread.
and you're right it's not easy to fraps such kills...
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Waxau
Total Mayhem. Cry Havoc.
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Posted - 2010.04.20 15:10:00 -
[286]
You know what....
This reminds me of a story, from when i was a wee lad, enjoying Shirley Temples in the sun, pretending i owned a shop in my food cuboard. My mother used to get fed up with paying twice for the food she bought that day.
Anyway, i digress (means im going off the point, for non-english speaking readers)
The point is. My grandfather used to push out his teeth. Always used to laugh that i couldnt do it. I tried for years, to such an extent that i now look like a 75 year old man myself, with slanted teeth poking outwards, that when eating with a spoon, i catch my hand when entering the spoon into my mouth.
After many years of trying, my grandfather eventually died. He was old.
Turns out, old people have false teeth, and he was pushing out his false teeth. I on the other hand had real teeth. That was the major difference. Turns out, real teeth dont push out.
Again, i digress to an extent (that means im going off the point, again, for non-english speaking readers)
The moral of the story is two fold.
1. Old men cant be trusted.
2. Just because you dont understand how Monkey pushes out his teeth, doesnt mean hes a old man who uses magic. He might just have false teeth.
3. Technically, this post has some relevance to the post, thus isnt off topic. Also slightly more understandable than other posts on here.
Hope ive helped clarify. If not, post more silly comments. Theyre proving comical during my ratting.
Brb. Arazu just appeared out of no where. Good thing im not in a golem.
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MrSupervisor
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Posted - 2010.04.20 15:19:00 -
[287]
Monkey has the potential to do something nobody ever wanted or cared to do TAKE OVER DRONE LANDS :D
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Certero
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Posted - 2010.04.20 15:38:00 -
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Edited by: Certero on 20/04/2010 15:40:35
Originally by: Waxau You know what....
Good story. thanks.
But problem is little different ))) Number of pilots from russian eve community want to know what happened with Monkey's victims. Those victims who are bots are not interesting for me (as for many other russians) let's kill'em! ))) But if he can kill good skilled pilots with the use of exploit - it's ****! So, i want to know truth. And that is all. So I'm just waiting for any proofs.
PS: I don't like bots, but i will pay my subscription even knowing that there are russian or chinese bots - they can't make this game unfair to me. But if i'll see that somebody can use bugs/exploits to kill others i'll hide my credit card from CCP and will search for another entertaiment, bcos i need to know that i can be killed only by more skilled pilot and not by hacker (i respect skilled pilots and want to have challenge with them, not with cheaters).
So, back to your story - if Monkey has a false teeth i need to have ability to get one too ))) as any other player in eve of course.
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Duuremaar
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Posted - 2010.04.20 15:40:00 -
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"I confirm that "The Monkeysphere" player is using no-local and insta-scan exploits and request GMs and Developers to look into this matter
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Ded MATAP
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Posted - 2010.04.20 15:52:00 -
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Edited by: Ded MATAP on 20/04/2010 15:54:13 OK.
I agree, that bots is evil, and against all that good and right. I, myself, as i said before, hate bots only a little less than i hate exploiters. Well, lets assume that monkeysphere find a way to kill them, and how to bypass thier security scripts. He claims himself as a noble crusader against unholy bots. To punish and eredicate them!
Okay. But why not open this "Bot kill" tactics to everyone? Considering this tactics work only against bots, as monkey say. This won't hurt honest players. Make some fraps, so we, PVP pilots, know how he did it. This way we can remove bots from EVE once and for all! If CCP cannot do it, let players do the work. Tell us how, and many join this noble crusade... Many hate bots, im sure of it.
But if he dont tell us, then his goals not near as noble as he say. Or he kills live players with that method... or he is really an exploiter.
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The Monkeysphere
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.04.20 15:55:00 -
[291]
Bots? I thought CCP banned bots during unholy rage. There are no bots, that would be illegal!
And sharing the simple mechanism to kill these evil exploiting bots (??? why bot!) would mean that the bots would adapt! You see, botters are like tortoises, and I am like Charles Darwin. EVE is like Texas, because it's so terrible and there are many Mexicans, and fat people are CEOs in the IT business. It's just not fair, and you cannot get past it by eating liver patT.
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Lady Karma
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Posted - 2010.04.20 16:00:00 -
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In the same way a rich trader likes to share his secrets, I am sure Monkey will be more than happy to tell you how he does it.
It is quite obvious that the only reason you want to know how this is done, is so you that can avoid it. (and add some lines to a macro or two )
You are accusing him of using exploits, clearly this isn't the case as the thread would have been locked pages ago for discussing exploits. That and the hundred or so petitions against him which have all been closed.
The man farms Golems that drop billions in loot, and you think he should share that on a public forum.
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Omenis
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.04.20 16:05:00 -
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I am not understand why is monkey target Russians? Cold war is over yes?
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Jorafai
Norfolk Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2010.04.20 16:08:00 -
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Forum Community::
I found out minute ago how bots are killed by Monkey! I share with russian players only. I too wish to keep secret, but will tell those who pay isk! Business is business as he says!
Send me a Conversation invitation and I will tell you!!
Only telling people for 2 hour. Then i will stop!
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Ottersmacker
Dust-420
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Posted - 2010.04.20 16:14:00 -
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Originally by: Jorafai
I found out minute ago how bots are killed by Monkey! I too wish to keep secret, but will tell those who pay isk!
Now Jorfai, I'm really happy for you and imma let you finish, but evebank was one of the best scams of all time. One of the best scams of all time!
*shrugs and walks away*
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Boomershoot
Caldari Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2010.04.20 16:18:00 -
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Originally by: The Monkeysphere Bots? I thought CCP banned bots during unholy rage. There are no bots, that would be illegal!
And sharing the simple mechanism to kill these evil exploiting bots (??? why bot!) would mean that the bots would adapt! You see, botters are like tortoises, and I am like Charles Darwin. EVE is like Texas, because it's so terrible and there are many Mexicans, and fat people are CEOs in the IT business. It's just not fair, and you cannot get past it by eating liver patT.
I found god in a forum post.
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lookatzebirdie
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Posted - 2010.04.20 16:19:00 -
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Originally by: The Monkeysphere Bots? I thought CCP banned bots during unholy rage. There are no bots, that would be illegal!
And sharing the simple mechanism to kill these evil exploiting bots (??? why bot!) would mean that the bots would adapt! You see, botters are like tortoises, and I am like Charles Darwin. EVE is like Texas, because it's so terrible and there are many Mexicans, and fat people are CEOs in the IT business. It's just not fair, and you cannot get past it by eating liver patT.
translation : i don't want others to know my super secret way of padding my stats with helpless ratters
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The Monkeysphere
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.04.20 16:21:00 -
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Edited by: The Monkeysphere on 20/04/2010 16:24:44 You have to open this in the background: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3dXUJVabyU
And then look at this: http://i41.tinypic.com/v42zy8.jpg
I am the Mujahisphere, and I kill botting infidels who see not the light of God, but the diversion of isk and beautiful virgins. I already mentioned this on EVE-RU, but I am like a prophet, like zeta and theta.
(except the carrier on the picture got away, damn him to Heloahahah I am terrible
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Stygian Knight
Blood Covenant Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.04.20 16:29:00 -
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Amount of tears in this thread is equal to epic.
Someone should form "monkey take over drone lands" fond.
I will toss in few dozen mill instantly.
\o/
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Zelda Wei
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Posted - 2010.04.20 16:34:00 -
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Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2
Originally by: Grath Telkin What are you talking about?
I'm asking a simple question: Does this only affect cheaters or not? Can this be used on someone that is NOT a macro? It's a simple yes or no question.
No. CCP disabled the /lurk command, but the Russians forgot to do likewise. So Monkey does appear in the real local, but not in the Bots local. gerrit yet?
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Ded MATAP
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Posted - 2010.04.20 16:50:00 -
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Originally by: Stygian Knight Amount of tears in this thread is equal to epic.
Someone should form "monkey take over drone lands" fond.
I will toss in few dozen mill instantly.
\o/
Well... Pandemics can mock in this topic as they want. Actually this is only thing they can do. This tread already did for what was created.
Now ratters are warned, they will be on guard, ready to fraps and rcreening. Communty drew some attention, precedent created.
Now monkeysphere will lie down for some time, to avoid too mush attention. But this is already too late... He became infamous already.
And ratters will get some claim time.
So... mock this tread. I know, and they know, that this is the only thing left to them.
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Merchant Queen
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Posted - 2010.04.20 16:53:00 -
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Originally by: Ded MATAP
Well... Pandemics can mock in this topic as they want. Actually this is only thing they can do. This tread already did for what was created.
Now ratters are warned, they will be on guard, ready to fraps and rcreening. Communty drew some attention, precedent created.
Now monkeysphere will lie down for some time, to avoid too mush attention. But this is already too late... He became infamous already.
And ratters will get some claim time.
So... mock this tread. I know, and they know, that this is the only thing left to them.
it's so full of pathos i'm going to be sick for hours now
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Kuar Z'thain
Fraser's Finest
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Posted - 2010.04.20 17:08:00 -
[303]
Too bad you can't share your technique Monkey, looks like some awesome loot.
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erehpsyeknom eht
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Posted - 2010.04.20 17:12:00 -
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If you say my name three you too can kill helpless players and claim they are bots or really stupid people who deserve to die. Due to public health constraints I will never teach anyone the trick because it would make there brains explode. I am the only person in eve who can slaughter ship after ship and never die to a gate camp. I can go 30 jumps in 12 minutes and appear right next to a ratting battleship im so leet. Monkeyshpere for CSM so everyone can get his haxz |
Boomershoot
Caldari Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2010.04.20 17:12:00 -
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Originally by: Ded MATAP Now ratters are warned, they will be on guard, ready to fraps and rcreening.
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Lady Karma
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Posted - 2010.04.20 17:18:00 -
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Originally by: erehpsyeknom eht If you say my name three you too can kill helpless players and claim they are bots or really stupid people who deserve to die. Due to public health constraints I will never teach anyone the trick because it would make there brains explode. I am the only person in eve who can slaughter ship after ship and never die to a gate camp. I can go 30 jumps in 12 minutes and appear right next to a ratting battleship im so leet. Monkeyshpere for CSM so everyone can get his haxz
This is an example of a macro bot being smarter than it's user.
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erehpsyeknom eht
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Posted - 2010.04.20 17:22:00 -
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Originally by: Lady Karma
Originally by: erehpsyeknom eht If you say my name three you too can kill helpless players and claim they are bots or really stupid people who deserve to die. Due to public health constraints I will never teach anyone the trick because it would make there brains explode. I am the only person in eve who can slaughter ship after ship and never die to a gate camp. I can go 30 jumps in 12 minutes and appear right next to a ratting battleship im so leet. Monkeyshpere for CSM so everyone can get his haxz
This is an example of a macro bot being smarter than it's user.
You are wrong this is a smart troll
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pmip
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Posted - 2010.04.20 17:31:00 -
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Originally by: The Monkeysphere Edited by: The Monkeysphere on 20/04/2010 16:29:23 Edited by: The Monkeysphere on 20/04/2010 16:24:44 You have to open this in the background: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3dXUJVabyU#t=1m55s
And then look at this: http://i41.tinypic.com/v42zy8.jpg
I am the Mujahisphere, and I kill botting infidels who see not the light of God, but the diversion of isk and beautiful virgins. I already mentioned this on EVE-RU, but I am like a prophet, like zeta and theta.
(except the carrier on the picture got away, damn him to Heloahahah I am terrible
threatdown Number 5 Helen Keller Number 4 calculus Number 3 volcanoes Number 2 the monkeysphere Number 1 BEARS
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Th0rG0d
Pilots From Honour
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Posted - 2010.04.20 18:02:00 -
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Originally by: The Monkeysphere Bots? I thought CCP banned bots during unholy rage. There are no bots, that would be illegal!
And sharing the simple mechanism to kill these evil exploiting bots (??? why bot!) would mean that the bots would adapt! You see, botters are like tortoises, and I am like Charles Darwin. EVE is like Texas, because it's so terrible and there are many Mexicans, and fat people are CEOs in the IT business. It's just not fair, and you cannot get past it by eating liver patT.
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Amberlamps
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Posted - 2010.04.20 18:22:00 -
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Originally by: Davader Edited by: Davader on 20/04/2010 14:50:34 Edited by: Davader on 20/04/2010 14:49:58
Originally by: Certero And same in nearest 4-5 systems (to kill 5 ships in a row as we can see at kb, with 5-9 min interval) - so, he can logoff 3x5=15 accounts (or maybe 20 for 4 belts in a sytem? or maybe 40 for 8?). Rly, it's a way to win )))
Exactly. But then those 100500 accounts would appear on the KB, but there are only 4 of them (arazu, curse, mach. and a sabre). So, this version doesn't work.
How much "lucky" are they, to predict and fly into the exact belt each time in such roamings (5 ships in a row with 5-9 min interval)... Those, who believe in such luck may look at the KB again. Of course, botting is bad, but to use non legal methods to fight against is bad too.
I guess neither of you have heard of bugged killmails?
You must be new here.
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Merchant Queen
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Posted - 2010.04.20 18:36:00 -
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Originally by: Amberlamps
Originally by: Davader Edited by: Davader on 20/04/2010 14:50:34
I guess neither of you have heard of bugged killmails?
You must be new here.
But of course, this just explains everything. This guy is just incredibly lucky and all his killmails are bugged. Now i see the light
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Amberlamps
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Posted - 2010.04.20 18:41:00 -
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Originally by: Merchant Queen
Originally by: Amberlamps
Originally by: Davader Edited by: Davader on 20/04/2010 14:50:34
I guess neither of you have heard of bugged killmails?
You must be new here.
But of course, this just explains everything. This guy is just incredibly lucky and all his killmails are bugged. Now i see the light
*Sigh*...
So explain this one to me... you seem to have a theory for how he "doesn't appear" in local. Explain to me how he jumps between systems in record time then? Does he get a GM to move him does he?
Also having a bunch of killmails being bugged is not incredibly lucky, I have suffered multiple ones I have had them take over 12 hours to appear and for them to be in the complete wrong order.
Finally... CCP would of done something, for someone to be this notorious they would of have had a GM follow them without telling the petitioner.
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PeHD0M
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Posted - 2010.04.20 19:17:00 -
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I think, that he is probably using 2 exploits: 1. no local chat (something with session changes, maybe wormholes) 2. warp to fleet member (somekind of eve process injection. If you are in the fleet with a target, you can warp to it)
With this, you can kill anyone.. even if the target is cloaked. A gamebreaking exploit, if it works.
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Jack bubu
Lyonesse. RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2010.04.20 19:25:00 -
[314]
Monkeysphere is my new eve-hero
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Grath Telkin
Amarr Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.04.20 19:32:00 -
[315]
Originally by: PeHD0M I think, that he is probably using 2 exploits: 1. no local chat (something with session changes, maybe wormholes) 2. warp to fleet member (somekind of eve process injection. If you are in the fleet with a target, you can warp to it)
With this, you can kill anyone.. even if the target is cloaked. A gamebreaking exploit, if it works.
Well I think you still believe in the easter bunny and santa clause, but it doesn't make either of us right.
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Guilty Man
Minmatar Guilty People
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Posted - 2010.04.20 19:33:00 -
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Edited by: Guilty Man on 20/04/2010 19:36:18 Ruskies have reproduced the bug: Linkage
trik: the bug has been successfully reproduced, bugreport filled; bug id 94595
upd: proof pic
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Woodwraith
Selective Pressure Rote Kapelle
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Posted - 2010.04.20 19:34:00 -
[317]
Originally by: Davader
How much "lucky" are they, to predict and fly into the exact belt each time in such roamings (5 ships in a row with 5-9 min interval)
**Needs citation. closest I can see for back to back kills is one pair 22 mins apart. _________________________________
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Grath Telkin
Amarr Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.04.20 19:59:00 -
[318]
Originally by: Guilty Man Edited by: Guilty Man on 20/04/2010 19:40:03 Ruskies have reproduced the bug: Linkage
Quote: trik: the bug has been successfully reproduced, bugreport filed; bug id 94595
upd: proof pic
Id be curious to see the outcome of that bug report.
After 24 hours of requesting screens, or fraps, I'm not sure that anybody is suprised one FINALLY surfaced.
I'd like to think that US/EU botters would have produced a doctored photo in much better time.
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Dmitri Harkonnen
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Posted - 2010.04.20 20:05:00 -
[319]
Originally by: Grath Telkin Id be curious to see the outcome of that bug report.
After 24 hours of requesting screens, or fraps, I'm not sure that anybody is suprised one FINALLY surfaced.
I'd like to think that US/EU botters would have produced a doctored photo in much better time.
Well, at least the bugreport (and, I guess, the way to reproduce it) is here. I wonder, how much time it'll take CCP to invent means to track the usage of exploit.
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Nata Asphyxia
Shadow Kingdom Ultima Rati0
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Posted - 2010.04.20 20:08:00 -
[320]
Originally by: Grath Telkin
Originally by: Guilty Man Edited by: Guilty Man on 20/04/2010 19:40:03 Ruskies have reproduced the bug: Linkage
Quote: trik: the bug has been successfully reproduced, bugreport filed; bug id 94595
upd: proof pic
Id be curious to see the outcome of that bug report.
After 24 hours of requesting screens, or fraps, I'm not sure that anybody is suprised one FINALLY surfaced.
I'd like to think that US/EU botters would have produced a doctored photo in much better time.
I would like to think that the guy with bugreport is wrong, because otherwise it would mean that The Monkeysphere is a cheater and PL is a bunch of douches intentionally derailing thread with Orwell copypasta and infinitely accusing people of using macros to cover the trails. inb4 'you were derailing too!'. Flaming for fun is one thing, covering up an exploit user is another.
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Grath Telkin
Amarr Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.04.20 20:11:00 -
[321]
Originally by: Nata Asphyxia
I would like to think that the guy with bugreport is wrong, because otherwise it would mean that The Monkeysphere is a cheater and PL is a bunch of douches intentionally derailing thread with Orwell copypasta and infinitely accusing people of using macros to cover the trails. inb4 'you were derailing too!'. Flaming for fun is one thing, covering up an exploit user is another.
I'm gona let you in on a little secret:
We are a bunch of douches, and I'm still calling the drone lands a haven for Russian macro farmers.
Unless you know a lot of unemployed Russians who never sleep, and fly ratting ships 23 hours a day 7 days a week, without EVER sleeping.
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Huhuhuhuhuhuh
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Posted - 2010.04.20 20:11:00 -
[322]
Edited by: Huhuhuhuhuhuh on 20/04/2010 20:16:20
Originally by: Nata Asphyxia
I would like to think that the guy with bugreport is wrong, because otherwise it would mean that The Monkeysphere is a cheater and PL is a bunch of douches intentionally derailing thread with Orwell copypasta and infinitely accusing people of using macros to cover the trails. inb4 'you were derailing too!'. Flaming for fun is one thing, covering up an exploit user is another.
Sure thing I am wrong. That's why after reading post from some Panda guy I took another 10 minutes and produced another "Photoshopped" picture on singularity : http://forum.eve-ru.com/index.php?act=attach&type=post&id=9237 gg thx no re. PS. To clear up things, left window "invisible ninja", right window test char watching local.
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Deus Ex'Machina
The-Machine
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Posted - 2010.04.20 20:15:00 -
[323]
Edited by: Deus Ex''Machina on 20/04/2010 20:15:40 This is almost as good as ye old Sharkbait incident. - Arkanon: EXPLAIN YOURSELF, EVILDOER! Sharkbait: Dude. |
Nata Asphyxia
Shadow Kingdom Ultima Rati0
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Posted - 2010.04.20 20:17:00 -
[324]
Originally by: Grath Telkin
Originally by: Nata Asphyxia
I would like to think that the guy with bugreport is wrong, because otherwise it would mean that The Monkeysphere is a cheater and PL is a bunch of douches intentionally derailing thread with Orwell copypasta and infinitely accusing people of using macros to cover the trails. inb4 'you were derailing too!'. Flaming for fun is one thing, covering up an exploit user is another.
I'm gona let you in on a little secret:
We are a bunch of douches, and I'm still calling the drone lands a haven for Russian macro farmers.
Unless you know a lot of unemployed Russians who never sleep, and fly ratting ships 23 hours a day 7 days a week, without EVER sleeping.
I know at least 2 such persons, but they go to sleep for about 3 hours per 3 days :)
Originally by: Huhuhuhuhuhuh
Sure thing I am wrong. That's why after reading post from some Panda guy I took another 10 minutes and produced another "Photoshopped" picture on singularity : http://forum.eve-ru.com/index.php?act=attach&type=post&id=9237 gg thx no re.
Relax, I'm on the Knights of Fairplay side. For now :D In case eve-ru requires registration for viewing pics
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Ranka Mei
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.04.20 20:17:00 -
[325]
Originally by: Lee Kin He runs a hack that masks him in local until he engages you. You have to put your scout in an observe spot on the incoming gate so you can see him land on your gate. It is the only way to see him coming so you have to pay really close attention to it.
Which is why CCP needs to ban him. Period. CCP always lean towards allowing underhanded exploits (like blobbing) as it is; like other posters here, they probably even respect the dude. Not a good choice. He needs to be removed from the game. -- Gorgeous, delicious, deculture! |
Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2010.04.20 20:20:00 -
[326]
So I guess PL is taking a page for the goonie forum troll handbook.
Please don't let this thread die.
Originally by: CCP Zymurgist Get off the forums and go kill someone!
Originally by: Amarr Supremacist Yeah, it(Jaguar) almost has cruiser level tank and gank!
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Grath Telkin
Amarr Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.04.20 20:20:00 -
[327]
Edited by: Grath Telkin on 20/04/2010 20:25:02 Edited by: Grath Telkin on 20/04/2010 20:24:24
Originally by: Ranka Mei
Originally by: Lee Kin He runs a hack that masks him in local until he engages you. You have to put your scout in an observe spot on the incoming gate so you can see him land on your gate. It is the only way to see him coming so you have to pay really close attention to it.
Which is why CCP needs to ban him. Period. CCP always lean towards allowing underhanded exploits (like blobbing) as it is; like other posters here, they probably even respect the dude. Not a good choice. He needs to be removed from the game.
really mad he's messing with your monthly income huh?
you know, if you get a real job, this won't be an issue.
EDIT: I also like the conclusions some of the russians are coming to on EVE-RU, about the victims likely bothood status after seeing some things.
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Sciencegeek deathdealer
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Posted - 2010.04.20 20:20:00 -
[328]
Originally by: Huhuhuhuhuhuh Edited by: Huhuhuhuhuhuh on 20/04/2010 20:16:20
Originally by: Nata Asphyxia
I would like to think that the guy with bugreport is wrong, because otherwise it would mean that The Monkeysphere is a cheater and PL is a bunch of douches intentionally derailing thread with Orwell copypasta and infinitely accusing people of using macros to cover the trails. inb4 'you were derailing too!'. Flaming for fun is one thing, covering up an exploit user is another.
Sure thing I am wrong. That's why after reading post from some Panda guy I took another 10 minutes and produced another "Photoshopped" picture on singularity : http://forum.eve-ru.com/index.php?act=attach&type=post&id=9237 gg thx no re. PS. To clear up things, left window "invisible ninja", right window test char watching local.
WOW you dont even understand the proof pic to create a fake! notice the title of the local channel and what system its in. I really dont see any proof that it is not an exploit other then whineing. and i dont even live close to drone regions and im not russian, but i like to rat and hate cheaters so can someone from ccp please look into this so we dont have a massive tinfoil hat thread -_-
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Owen Drakkar
Terra Nostra
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Posted - 2010.04.20 20:24:00 -
[329]
The logs show nothing.
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Ranka Mei
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.04.20 20:25:00 -
[330]
Originally by: Grath Telkin
Originally by: Ranka Mei
Originally by: Lee Kin He runs a hack that masks him in local until he engages you. You have to put your scout in an observe spot on the incoming gate so you can see him land on your gate. It is the only way to see him coming so you have to pay really close attention to it.
Which is why CCP needs to ban him. Period. CCP always lean towards allowing underhanded exploits (like blobbing) as it is; like other posters here, they probably even respect the dude. Not a good choice. He needs to be removed from the game.
really mad he's messing with your monthly income huh?
you know, if you get a real job, this won't be an issue.
LOL. Never met the guy; likely never will. :) And not even remotely mad; just resolute; firm in my stance that real exploiters need to be removed from the game. -- Gorgeous, delicious, deculture! |
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Orephia
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Posted - 2010.04.20 20:26:00 -
[331]
Originally by: PeHD0M I think, that he is probably using 2 exploits: 1. no local chat (something with session changes, maybe wormholes) 2. warp to fleet member (somekind of eve process injection. If you are in the fleet with a target, you can warp to it)
With this, you can kill anyone.. even if the target is cloaked. A gamebreaking exploit, if it works.
There was a thread last month on test server about something like this being done [Amberlamps] Warp to 0m on anyone you want?
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Creepin
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Posted - 2010.04.20 20:31:00 -
[332]
Originally by: Grath Telkin really mad he's messing with your monthly income huh?
you know, if you get a real job, this won't be an issue.
Really man you should consider dropping the act of a village fool - it doesn't help. In case you forget, it's topic about you & your cheating friends shamelessly raping eve client for unfair advantage because of being too lame to win by the rule or whatever reason.
If you that disturbed by hypothetical russian botters - go whine in your own thread, stop derailing this one
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Grath Telkin
Amarr Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.04.20 20:33:00 -
[333]
Originally by: Orephia
Originally by: PeHD0M I think, that he is probably using 2 exploits: 1. no local chat (something with session changes, maybe wormholes) 2. warp to fleet member (somekind of eve process injection. If you are in the fleet with a target, you can warp to it)
With this, you can kill anyone.. even if the target is cloaked. A gamebreaking exploit, if it works.
There was a thread last month on test server about something like this being done [Amberlamps] Warp to 0m on anyone you want?
Yea, that thread was dumb, a good prober can hit you in about 6 seconds, that was more a case of somebody being unfamiliar with the working game mechanic changes.
Fleet warfare saw this change immediately after the probing changes came down, it made glass cannon BS fleets that fired from range virtually useless, as the other sides prober would have a warp in on you in 6-8 seconds, and because you were at such extreme range, the mid 150k class tanked fleet bs would get warped in on you.
The resulting slaughter changed some tactics.
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Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2010.04.20 20:34:00 -
[334]
Originally by: Orephia There was a thread last month on test server about something like this being done [Amberlamps] Warp to 0m on anyone you want?
Meh, with tops skills and implants you can get a new warpable hit seconds after he slows down from the micro hop to his new position. You don't even need to wait for it to leave warp to be able warp to it hence his 'magical' warping on top of the target just as it finishes leaving warp. I don't think that is waht is going on here though provided this thread isn't just another hulkageddon clone with fake complainers giving PL a reason lulz at all the tinfoil getting tossed about.
Originally by: CCP Zymurgist Get off the forums and go kill someone!
Originally by: Amarr Supremacist Yeah, it(Jaguar) almost has cruiser level tank and gank!
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Phosphorus Palladium
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Posted - 2010.04.20 20:40:00 -
[335]
On page 49 of the russian thread on this topic, the moderator seems to have removed fraps of the "invisibility" technique.
The way I understood it, is that the removal of the link was due to the link showing an exploit.
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Grath Telkin
Amarr Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.04.20 20:43:00 -
[336]
Originally by: Phosphorus Palladium On page 49 of the russian thread on this topic, the moderator seems to have removed fraps of the "invisibility" technique.
The way I understood it, is that the removal of the link was due to the link showing an exploit.
Its hard to judge because of the translators being so terrible.
At one point, it reads like, they removed it for showing an exploit, at another point, it reads like your not sure if the frapser is not exploiting, as there is something about the "removal of tools" a few posts later.
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Lady Karma
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Posted - 2010.04.20 20:46:00 -
[337]
Originally by: Phosphorus Palladium On page 49 of the russian thread on this topic, the moderator seems to have removed fraps of the "invisibility" technique.
The way I understood it, is that the removal of the link was due to the link showing an exploit.
It showed his macro tools on the screen, bit silly of him really.
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Ded MATAP
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Posted - 2010.04.20 20:50:00 -
[338]
Edited by: Ded MATAP on 20/04/2010 20:51:22
Originally by: Lady Karma
Originally by: Phosphorus Palladium On page 49 of the russian thread on this topic, the moderator seems to have removed fraps of the "invisibility" technique.
The way I understood it, is that the removal of the link was due to the link showing an exploit.
It showed his macro tools on the screen, bit silly of him really.
Well... Sure you know better what macro tool look like. I've never seen one, so i think this was some kind of network tool.
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romek mablung
Caldari OWS Research and Development
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Posted - 2010.04.20 20:57:00 -
[339]
Im currently in process of reading 50+ pages on russian forums on subject,and when,yes,some pilots there speaking were obviously macroing (mining-hunting),some were,by their claims,of cource,single account- single pilots,who got killed ratting in 0.0 belts.Monkey just went careless,and attacked some real players,or some,actually making attention,while belt ratting.My 5 cents.and as empire carebear,i could care less,but still,its clearly I-Win button abusing case.And,as now,as djinn is out of its can....i hope,CCP will look of it.Russians had thoughts,that it might need to rewrote client entitrely,as seems some chat related-local related things are done clientside (hence packet sniffing and delaying -modifying-copy-pasteing wh chat packets-copy-pasteing after gate jumping cloak packets....something in line).If eve clients controls those things-its bad!
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LTcyberT1000
Caldari Free Space Tech Red Alliance
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Posted - 2010.04.20 20:58:00 -
[340]
This is common issue in multiple games with network packet mangling before interraction between client and server...
Hint to CCP: automatically make them relog if they do not join local after 30 seconds when changing session to new solar system.. Problem solved ;)
---- T-1000, the old school gamer, started with 80286 machine, 11 years so far for playing games. ******************************************** Skill level: Freelancer Wolf in Moon day :) ****** |
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bitters much
Nekkid Inc.
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Posted - 2010.04.20 21:01:00 -
[341]
Originally by: species2143
Place bubble when u run out of alts? As previously stated, there are many ways to catch bots/players that simply logoff... things are alot more complex for the second kind of bots that I mentioned previously.
Bubble would be on KM when I remember right ?!? so this would be a no go.
BTW: Best thread in ages very entertaining
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phalanx III
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.04.20 21:03:00 -
[342]
Holy special needs in this thread.
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar Vahrokh Consulting
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Posted - 2010.04.20 21:03:00 -
[343]
Quote:
it's just a simple code injection @ the network level between client and server, as the chat channels are hosted by a server not connected to the system node shards(as stated by GMs), you can prevent yourself from showing up in local by brownboxing the network stack. Stops you appearing in all other channels too, unfortunately, but no much of a problem.
It can be even easier than that.
Currently, me and several other people have this bug that makes us:
- invisible in chats
- look not logged on, even using address book
- impossible to fleet with (this is how I discovered I was affected by it).
- only appear in chats after we talk.
If this Monkey dude has the same, he can kill all the macros he wants.
For once, a bug is a good thing, macros ships should all asplode and be banned.
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I'm not sure how reasonable it is to expect fraps, seeing as the whole issue here is that they claim they can't see him in local before he appears. So unless every potential gank target has fraps running 23/7, the chances of catching a video would be pretty slim.
And of course, bots aren't smart enough to take screenshots or fraps anyway
Last version(s) of FRAPS keep a buffer of the last 30 seconds of what happened, you can enable it writing these 30 seconds down at any moment, effectively allowing to always catch such attempts.
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PS: I don't like bots, but i will pay my subscription even knowing that there are russian or chinese bots - they can't make this game unfair to me.
Bots make the game unfair, they flood the economy with the heaps of garbage they farm, they flood the servers CPUs (as per Holy Rage CCP's shown statistics), they adversely impact on several markets. The very fact that they bot, is to cheat AND make the game in favor of them and thus unfair to the others.
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As i understand,from my zero hacking skills,packet sniffing is quite elite stuff
No, even a semi-educated donkey can packet sniff and for free.
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Bubble would be on KM when I remember right ?!? so this would be a no go.
Yes, the bubble's "owner" should be in the killmail.
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BTW: Best thread in ages very entertaining
QFT.
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When looking for investors, please read http://tinyurl.com/n5ys4h + http://tinyurl.com/lrg4oz
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Grath Telkin
Amarr Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.04.20 21:04:00 -
[344]
Originally by: romek mablung Im currently in process of reading 50+ pages on russian forums on subject,and when,yes,some pilots there speaking were obviously macroing (mining-hunting),some were,by their claims,of cource,single account- single pilots,who got killed ratting in 0.0 belts.Monkey just went careless,and attacked some real players,or some,actually making attention,while belt ratting.My 5 cents.and as empire carebear,i could care less,but still,its clearly I-Win button abusing case.And,as now,as djinn is out of its can....i hope,CCP will look of it.Russians had thoughts,that it might need to rewrote client entitrely,as seems some chat related-local related things are done clientside (hence packet sniffing and delaying -modifying-copy-pasteing wh chat packets-copy-pasteing after gate jumping cloak packets....something in line).If eve clients controls those things-its bad!
your combining a bit of discussion from Kug's site, and the speculation from the russian forums, unfortunately, thats all it is, speculation, as clearly demonstrated on said Kug's site no form of manipulation could reliably be created.
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romek mablung
Caldari OWS Research and Development
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Posted - 2010.04.20 21:08:00 -
[345]
The thing is..supposedly abuse like this are reported SEVERAL times past 2 years,no response,no fix.Might be the case-CCP logs dont show the fine difference:player (for clearity,lets call him client,as he is client to ccp servers)..client enters system node....with local chat node (i read from russian forum,CCP chats sits at different nodes from local graphics-npc-ect)lagging behind..lets say 60-300 sec....like 0.0 uber fleetbattle laggs.Seems perfect to server..it probably happens in 0.0,all kind of weird laggs.Also...clients have some..status(invis),while jumping in from gate,or from wh.But in this case-the invisibility status passes beyond that 30 sec timer....whynot for server..another laggissue.Also...those abusers somehow manage to jump to 0 to cloaked safespot ships/deepspace ships/warping off ships!sick!(at warp endpoint).I read-similar bugs happened to people.when entering system-all system npc warpable to 0,till session change (restart-dock ect).Or they just have plain chat zero hack,and do usual combat probe scanning-warp to 0-point-warp gang in.
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Grath Telkin
Amarr Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.04.20 21:10:00 -
[346]
Edited by: Grath Telkin on 20/04/2010 21:15:26 Edited by: Grath Telkin on 20/04/2010 21:11:15
Also, the EVE Ru thread has broken out in Journey.
EDIT: Wisdoom, lighten up bro
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Thatkidnamedrocky
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.04.20 21:12:00 -
[347]
couldnt this monkey guy be killing these macro ratters and making billions off of them and selling this isk?
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Orephia
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Posted - 2010.04.20 21:15:00 -
[348]
the poasters offering the injection 'theory' earlier, now appear to have some credibility? something else said was:
"a new UI via injection that we use to give us better FPS (the UI is the cause of most FPS drop in Eve) and control in fleet fights and in roaming gangs"
seems the client may need to be rewritten for more than just patching this no-local exploit. a new UI in the need for speed has already been realized, but not by our devs? |
Flinx Evenstar
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.04.20 21:18:00 -
[349]
Originally by: Thatkidnamedrocky couldnt this monkey guy be killing these macro ratters and making billions off of them and selling this isk?
Confirming he has already been contacted by cartels, as his method of farming has a much higher rate of deadspace and officer loot drop than the inferior macro bot --- Witness epic fleet battles in Dominion
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Grath Telkin
Amarr Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.04.20 21:19:00 -
[350]
Originally by: Orephia the poasters offering the injection 'theory' earlier, now appear to have some credibility? something else said was:
"a new UI via injection that we use to give us better FPS (the UI is the cause of most FPS drop in Eve) and control in fleet fights and in roaming gangs"
seems the client may need to be rewritten for more than just patching this no-local exploit. a new UI in the need for speed has already been realized, but not by our devs?
I have some lovely waterfront property for sale.
Boat access, has its own bridge.
Its cheap, you look like just the kinda guy that could make it go places.
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MisterAl tt1
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Posted - 2010.04.20 21:20:00 -
[351]
New screenshot from those able to reproduce the bug:
http://dump.ru/file/4535265
Originally posted here: http://forum.eve-ru.com/index.php?s=&showtopic=43109&view=findpost&p=883448
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Bloedkopp
Minmatar Nekkid Inc.
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Posted - 2010.04.20 21:21:00 -
[352]
Originally by: Thatkidnamedrocky couldnt this monkey guy be killing these macro ratters and making billions off of them and selling this isk?
He is already doing that and with his new richness he will ride into the sunset ...
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slackjawed
Sniggerdly
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Posted - 2010.04.20 21:23:00 -
[353]
Edited by: slackjawed on 20/04/2010 21:23:03 more proof of that damn hacker
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Orephia
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Posted - 2010.04.20 21:26:00 -
[354]
Originally by: Grath Telkin I have some lovely ...
well, maybe if it comes with a russian bride
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Huhuhuhuhuhuh
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Posted - 2010.04.20 21:26:00 -
[355]
Originally by: slackjawed Edited by: slackjawed on 20/04/2010 21:23:03 more proof of that damn hacker
It doesnt work this way. Exploiter is disconnected from local channel, ergo he is unable to see or send any messages.
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Dmitri Harkonnen
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Posted - 2010.04.20 21:32:00 -
[356]
Edited by: Dmitri Harkonnen on 20/04/2010 21:35:57 Edited by: Dmitri Harkonnen on 20/04/2010 21:33:03
Originally by: Huhuhuhuhuhuh
Originally by: slackjawed Edited by: slackjawed on 20/04/2010 21:23:03 more proof of that damn hacker
It doesnt work this way. Exploiter is disconnected from local channel, ergo he is unable to see or send any messages.
The point is - noone sees him in local too.
He can scan/probe others, but no one is aware that new ship has entered the local (because he didn't) - but he indeed entered the system (without joining the local channel).
P.S. yes, I see now - on the last pic there are messages in local. Strange.
P.P.S. slackjawed's "proof" is fake, I guess.
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MisterAl tt1
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Posted - 2010.04.20 21:34:00 -
[357]
You are looking at the wrong "proof". Look at my post with the link on this page.
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Zelda Wei
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Posted - 2010.04.20 21:42:00 -
[358]
Look more closely at the screen shot.
The local channel is for Oshaima not for the Yria. Why has the timestamp been cropped? Why are the boarders on the chat windows different? The top border on the left hand instance chat window has a white shadow at the top, which isn't present on the right hand instance. The left hand border of the left instance is also wider and has a blur on it.
I call fake.
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Betankur
Solar Dragons SOLAR FLEET
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Posted - 2010.04.20 21:45:00 -
[359]
Edited by: Betankur on 20/04/2010 21:45:42 -
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Stygian Knight
Blood Covenant Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.04.20 21:46:00 -
[360]
this thread is full of win
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Zofran
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Posted - 2010.04.20 21:46:00 -
[361]
Gentlemen,
I have recently obtained a screenshot of THE MONKEYSPHERE's hacked UI, as you can see near the center of the screen there is the extra large uberscanner icon. In local you can see that The Moneysphere is actually in the wrong block, thats how he hides it. The rest of the UI is quite hard to decipher, but I'm sure you can work out bits and pieces.
It also shows that ori16 has a substantial collection of warp core stabs, if anyone would like some please do not hesitate to evemail him ingame with some numbers.
Kind regards the the anon pilot who donated this. xoxox Zof
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The Monkeysphere
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.04.20 21:55:00 -
[362]
Ah, I have been found out. I feel I must also reveal how I can sometimes see aurora borealis: http://i41.tinypic.com/11udzk8.jpg and sometimes just BLOOD EVERYWHERE, EVEN IN HIS SHOES: http://i43.tinypic.com/27ys769.jpg
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Dmitri Harkonnen
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Posted - 2010.04.20 21:57:00 -
[363]
Edited by: Dmitri Harkonnen on 20/04/2010 22:00:04 Edited by: Dmitri Harkonnen on 20/04/2010 21:59:47
Originally by: Zelda Wei The local channel is for Oshaima not for the Yria.
= exploiter hasn't switched local channels (exited Oshaima channel, but hasn't entered Yria channel).
Originally by: Zelda Wei Why has the timestamp been cropped?
He doesn't have timestamps switched on on either instances of Eve.
Originally by: Zelda Wei Why are the boarders on the chat windows different?
Borders depend on the ambient lighting and camera pos - you can always find a camera position for the top/right border of chat channel window to "disappear".
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Thatkidnamedrocky
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.04.20 22:02:00 -
[364]
Originally by: Zofran Gentlemen,
I have recently obtained a screenshot of THE MONKEYSPHERE's hacked UI, as you can see near the center of the screen there is the extra large uberscanner icon. In local you can see that The Moneysphere is actually in the wrong block, thats how he hides it. The rest of the UI is quite hard to decipher, but I'm sure you can work out bits and pieces.
It also shows that ori16 has a substantial collection of warp core stabs, if anyone would like some please do not hesitate to evemail him ingame with some numbers.
Kind regards the the anon pilot who donated this. xoxox Zof
well that doesn't look right
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Dmitri Harkonnen
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Posted - 2010.04.20 22:05:00 -
[365]
Originally by: Zofran I have recently obtained a screenshot of THE MONKEYSPHERE's hacked UI
Just a screen of EVE with buggy/overheated videocard.
Padnemic Legion is full of trolls.
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Kaar
Rionnag Alba Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.04.20 22:06:00 -
[366]
**** me theres a lot of stupid in this thread.
+1
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britishfish
Minmatar Lyonesse. RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2010.04.20 22:10:00 -
[367]
hahahha +10 awsome just awsome
go monkey go
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zerrock2
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Posted - 2010.04.20 22:15:00 -
[368]
Edited by: zerrock2 on 20/04/2010 22:16:35 actually this happend to me i was ratting in my raven in null and all of a sudden i was ganked. the thing is i had my eyes glued in local. there where 3 of them. 1 in a arazu and the other where in minmater ships. i have them in my kill mail2010.04.04 15:19:00
Victim: zerrock2 Corp: Fusion Death Inc. Alliance: Intrepid Crossing Faction: NONE Destroyed: Raven System: Security: 0.0 Damage Taken: 36946
Involved parties:
Name: The Monkeysphere (laid the final blow) Security: 3.3 Corp: North Eastern Swat Alliance: Pandemic Legion Faction: NONE Ship: Machariel Weapon: 800mm Repeating Artillery II Damage Done: 25688
Name: lol internets Security: 5.0 Corp: North Eastern Swat Alliance: Pandemic Legion Faction: NONE Ship: Curse Weapon: Hammerhead II Damage Done: 3055
Name: Goose Hypocrisy Security: 1.0 Corp: Perkone Alliance: NONE Faction: NONE Ship: Arazu Weapon: Phased Muon Sensor Disruptor I Damage Done: 0
Destroyed items:
Acolyte I, Qty: 2 (Drone Bay) Capacitor Power Relay II Wrath Cruise Missile, Qty: 3865 (Cargo) X-Large Shield Booster II Cruise Missile Launcher I, Qty: 4 Shield Boost Amplifier I Photon Scattering Field II Glossy Compound, Qty: 15 (Cargo) Cap Recharger II Large Capacitor Control Circuit I, Qty: 3 Paradise Cruise Missile, Qty: 60 Paradise Cruise Missile, Qty: 3279 (Cargo) Medium Shield Maintenance Bot I, Qty: 2 (Drone Bay)
Dropped items:
Acolyte I, Qty: 3 (Drone Bay) Invulnerability Field II Damage Control II Capacitor Power Relay II, Qty: 2 Cruise Missile Launcher I, Qty: 2 Plush Compound, Qty: 22 (Cargo) Power Diagnostic System II Paradise Cruise Missile, Qty: 60 Heat Dissipation Field II Medium Shield Maintenance Bot I, Qty: 3 (Drone Bay)
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The Monkeysphere
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.04.20 22:20:00 -
[369]
You were macroing, I remember it quite well.
Also there are no Minmatar ships on your killmail - stop lying, you isk selling botter!
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zerrock2
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Posted - 2010.04.20 22:22:00 -
[370]
lol it was a mistake monkey as you can see in not too well at memorizing ship races. but i did post my loss mail so that counts as proof.
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Zofran
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Posted - 2010.04.20 22:22:00 -
[371]
Another brave Russian victim has sent me this damning proof, I can not hesitate to say. But this man must be stopped. The victim claims to have been ratting all day in the very depths of Insmother when out of the blue he was killed by two people who did not seem to be visible in local. Luckily using his quick wits he was able to dispatch one of the attackers and get to safety.
The Monkeysphere's lossmail
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Thatkidnamedrocky
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.04.20 22:26:00 -
[372]
Originally by: The Monkeysphere You were macroing, I remember it quite well.
Also there are no Minmatar ships on your killmail - stop lying, you isk selling botter!
if he was a macro ratter how come u didnt pod him?
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zerrock2
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Posted - 2010.04.20 22:27:00 -
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hello you are the f***** hacker. i like the fact that you comented back sooo fast. i bet all you did today was sit here waiting for your vict's to reply. and if i was doing what you said why dident you kill my pod?......
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Grath Telkin
Amarr Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.04.20 22:30:00 -
[374]
Edited by: Grath Telkin on 20/04/2010 22:30:39
Originally by: zerrock2 i bet all you did today was sit here waiting for your vict's to reply. and if i was doing what you said why dident you kill my pod?......
No that was me
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MisterAl tt1
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Posted - 2010.04.20 22:35:00 -
[375]
VIDEO!!! Someone not being in local: http://www.megavideo.com/?v=0C3GE02Z
Originally posted at: http://forum.eve-ru.com/index.php?s=&showtopic=43109&view=findpost&p=883550
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Huhuhuhuhuhuh
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Posted - 2010.04.20 22:36:00 -
[376]
Originally by: MisterAl tt1 VIDEO!!! Someone not being in local: http://www.megavideo.com/?v=0C3GE02Z
Originally posted at: http://forum.eve-ru.com/index.php?s=&showtopic=43109&view=findpost&p=883550
This is **** quality. Better one : http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1004/victim.avi
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Beardponderer
You're Doing It Wrong
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Posted - 2010.04.20 22:37:00 -
[377]
Originally by: Zofran Edited by: Zofran on 20/04/2010 22:27:35 damning proof
Nice edit
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Ranka Mei
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.04.20 22:55:00 -
[378]
Originally by: The Monkeysphere You were macroing, I remember it quite well.
Also there are no Minmatar ships on your killmail - stop lying, you isk selling botter!
What if he were? Mind you, I have no love for macro-miners, but this Robin Hood hat you're trying on to justify hacking the system isn't fooling anyone (okay, maybe just a few).
Hacking EVE is an offense you need to be banned for. For life. Here's to hoping CCP reads along. -- Gorgeous, delicious, deculture! |
chrisss0r
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Posted - 2010.04.20 23:03:00 -
[379]
Who uses a golem for macro-ratting when u can just run multiple accounts with ravens?
sorry but claiming that using a missive exploit like this is ok because it hit's the "right" victims is a bit stupid
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Grath Telkin
Amarr Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.04.20 23:05:00 -
[380]
Originally by: Ranka Mei
Originally by: The Monkeysphere You were macroing, I remember it quite well.
Also there are no Minmatar ships on your killmail - stop lying, you isk selling botter!
What if he were? Mind you, I have no love for macro-miners, but this Robin Hood hat you're trying on to justify hacking the system isn't fooling anyone (okay, maybe just a few).
Hacking EVE is an offense you need to be banned for. For life. Here's to hoping CCP reads along.
Your still running under the assumption that he's hacking, with absolutely NO actual proof that monkey himself is doing this.
Simply because the russians can create the effect, be it illusion, or real, does not mean that Monkey himself does this.
Your continued efforts to put cuffs on the man, to justify your cheating of the system isn't fooling anyone. Macroing in EVE and selling it for real money is an offense you need to be banned for. For life. Here's to hoping CCP reads along.
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The Monkeysphere
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.04.20 23:07:00 -
[381]
Edited by: The Monkeysphere on 20/04/2010 23:07:21 oh my god he's been doing it for three years!!
edit UFCK WRONG CHARACTER
http://i43.tinypic.com/atokk8.jpg
(hint: the bottom left part of the screen contains a valuable tip regarding a previous image in this thread)
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chrisss0r
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Posted - 2010.04.20 23:10:00 -
[382]
funny thing that chinese guy asks how the **** you got to his location :f
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Grath Telkin
Amarr Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.04.20 23:13:00 -
[383]
Edited by: Grath Telkin on 20/04/2010 23:16:19
Originally by: The Monkeysphere Edited by: The Monkeysphere on 20/04/2010 23:07:21 oh my god he's been doing it for three years!!
edit UFCK WRONG CHARACTER
http://i43.tinypic.com/atokk8.jpg
(hint: the bottom left part of the screen contains a valuable tip regarding a previous image in this thread)
The only hint i get from that picture is that you are terrible at fitting a thorax (*that actually COULD be a deimos and i could be dumb, but you still fit it terribly)
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species2143
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Posted - 2010.04.20 23:16:00 -
[384]
The cat seems to be out of the bag, proof was asked for and proof appears to have been delivered. Personally the screenshots didn't convince me 100%, but when I saw the video... now that's a different story.
Now if all the naysayers still want to contest the presented proof, you better have a Strategy" or "technique" at hand that functions within the boudries of the EULA and allows you to acchieve these results. At this point anything less than a credible and full explaination of your this "strategy" will fall short of gathering any sort of credibility. This information can either be verified trough trusted intermediaries such as chribba (in order to preserve your strategic advantage), or simply publicly announced.
It is now your turn to prove them wrong.
I really hope that this turns out to be simply creative thinking an implementation of good skills/strategy, because the opposite scenario is pretty ugly.
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Grath Telkin
Amarr Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.04.20 23:21:00 -
[385]
Originally by: species2143
It is now your turn to prove them wrong.
I'm sorry, I missed the post that shows monkey killing somebody and not being in local, could you link it?
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Ranka Mei
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.04.20 23:25:00 -
[386]
Originally by: Grath Telkin
Your continued efforts to put cuffs on the man, to justify your cheating of the system isn't fooling anyone. Macroing in EVE and selling it for real money is an offense you need to be banned for. For life.
E? Nani kore? So, now I'm a macro-miner? LOL.
But to get back on track, even if Monkey isn't using a specific Russian exploit, none of that matters, really: the fact alone that he can hide from local and transport instantaneously and magically next to someone's ship, that's already a bannable exploit.
Quote:
Here's to hoping CCP reads along.
Why, it would appear we at least agree on something! :) -- Gorgeous, delicious, deculture! |
Grath Telkin
Amarr Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.04.20 23:28:00 -
[387]
Originally by: Ranka Mei
But to get back on track, even if Monkey isn't using a specific Russian exploit, none of that matters, really: the fact alone that he can hide from local and transport instantaneously and magically next to someone's ship, that's already a bannable exploit.
Why, it would appear we at least agree on something! :)
Yea, about that, can you prove he did that?
I mean, in ANY way at all?
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Thatkidnamedrocky
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.04.20 23:29:00 -
[388]
Originally by: Grath Telkin
Originally by: Ranka Mei
But to get back on track, even if Monkey isn't using a specific Russian exploit, none of that matters, really: the fact alone that he can hide from local and transport instantaneously and magically next to someone's ship, that's already a bannable exploit.
Why, it would appear we at least agree on something! :)
Yea, about that, can you prove he did that?
I mean, in ANY way at all?
troll harder
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species2143
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Posted - 2010.04.20 23:30:00 -
[389]
Originally by: Grath Telkin
Originally by: species2143
It is now your turn to prove them wrong.
I'm sorry, I missed the post that shows monkey killing somebody and not being in local, could you link it?
Oh don't get me wrong, I couldn't care less if it's monkey or any other player in EVE using a potential exploit. In fact in a way I am thankful that his sleek thinking and mass-murder brought this exploit out in the open. I'm pretty sure that other players would have used it much more discretely in order to farm the golden goose for much longer undetected. Of course this is assuming he actually is using an exploit... As stated above I would prefer it turning out that he is in fact simply that good at the game, thus we all still have quite a few tricks to learn in EVE.
My comment was more directed towards the general crowd of naysayers, cuz from what I saw in that video it sure as hell looked very convincing.
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Blane Xero
Amarr The Firestorm Cartel
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Posted - 2010.04.20 23:34:00 -
[390]
Originally by: species2143
Originally by: Grath Telkin
Originally by: species2143
It is now your turn to prove them wrong.
I'm sorry, I missed the post that shows monkey killing somebody and not being in local, could you link it?
Oh don't get me wrong, I couldn't care less if it's monkey or any other player in EVE using a potential exploit. In fact in a way I am thankful that his sleek thinking and mass-murder brought this exploit out in the open. I'm pretty sure that other players would have used it much more discretely in order to farm the golden goose for much longer undetected. Of course this is assuming he actually is using an exploit... As stated above I would prefer it turning out that he is in fact simply that good at the game, thus we all still have quite a few tricks to learn in EVE.
My comment was more directed towards the general crowd of naysayers, cuz from what I saw in that video it sure as hell looked very convincing.
It's even more convincing because it's a completely untampered raw fraps file, i had to reinstall the trial of fraps to get it to play _____________________________________ Haruhiist since December 2008 WIP
Originally by: CCP Fallout :facepalm:
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Grath Telkin
Amarr Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.04.20 23:34:00 -
[391]
Originally by: Thatkidnamedrocky
Originally by: Grath Telkin
Originally by: Ranka Mei
But to get back on track, even if Monkey isn't using a specific Russian exploit, none of that matters, really: the fact alone that he can hide from local and transport instantaneously and magically next to someone's ship, that's already a bannable exploit.
Why, it would appear we at least agree on something! :)
Yea, about that, can you prove he did that?
I mean, in ANY way at all?
troll harder
Its really not a troll, I'm still not seeing ANY actual proof that Monkey has personally done anything wrong.
All I see is a bunch of macro farmer alt accounts complaining because he won't divulge his actual tactic, thus allowing them to adjust the program, and avoid it.
So, until you can provide an actual piece of proof damning monkey directly, then your just making baseless accusations.
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Ephemeron
Retribution Corp. Initiative Associates
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Posted - 2010.04.20 23:40:00 -
[392]
It may be possible that there's a new client side bug that doesn't update people's local in certain situations.
But the probability of someone like monkey actually hacking EVE server to achieve this effect is extremely low. And if he did it deliberately, he'd know he'd be getting banned shortly afterward, and wouldn't use his main account, or does it look like he's ready to quit EVE and this is just fairwell fun?
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MisterAl tt1
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Posted - 2010.04.20 23:40:00 -
[393]
Edited by: MisterAl tt1 on 20/04/2010 23:41:51
Originally by: Grath Telkin
All I see is a bunch of macro farmer alt accounts complaining because he won't divulge his actual tactic, thus allowing them to adjust the program, and avoid it.
So, until you can provide an actual piece of proof damning monkey directly, then your just making baseless accusations.
Would you be so kind to provide any proof that all the people, interested in the bug to be fixxed and bag-user to be banned are just "a bunch of macro farmer alt accounts" first?
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MatrixSkye Mk2
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.04.20 23:42:00 -
[394]
Originally by: romek mablung Im currently in process of reading 50+ pages on russian forums on subject,and when,yes,some pilots there speaking were obviously macroing (mining-hunting),some were,by their claims,of cource,single account- single pilots,who got killed ratting in 0.0 belts.Monkey just went careless,and attacked some real players,or some,actually making attention,while belt ratting.My 5 cents.and as empire carebear,i could care less,but still,its clearly I-Win button abusing case.And,as now,as djinn is out of its can....i hope,CCP will look of it.Russians had thoughts,that it might need to rewrote client entitrely,as seems some chat related-local related things are done clientside (hence packet sniffing and delaying -modifying-copy-pasteing wh chat packets-copy-pasteing after gate jumping cloak packets....something in line).If eve clients controls those things-its bad!
If this **** is true and the screenshots are real, these PL dudes need to be perma-banned just like the macro users themselves. Period.
Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha For once, a bug is a good thing, macros ships should all asplode and be banned.
Yes, of course. Because as long as we claim we're ridding the game of macroers we should all be allowed to use exploits .
1. Find/reproduce exploit 2. Play in God-mode 3. Kill a few macros 4. Claim your exploit is "good exploit" 5. Profit
If this dude is using exploit he is JUST AS BAD as the macroers themselves. And if that is the case then you need to stop justifying your cheats like they're holier than theirs, ESPECIALLY if he's killing actual players (non-macroers).
And it isn't your place to decide who is macroing and who isn't. That's just your justification for using your cheat. Unless you know something we don't, that is.
Grief a PVP'er. Run a mission today! |
Phosphorus Palladium
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Posted - 2010.04.20 23:49:00 -
[395]
Edited by: Phosphorus Palladium on 20/04/2010 23:55:27
Edit: My comment may have been a bit premature so it has now dissolved into thin air. |
Rawr Cristina
Caldari Omerta Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.04.20 23:52:00 -
[396]
Originally by: MisterAl tt1 VIDEO!!! Someone not being in local: http://www.megavideo.com/?v=0C3GE02Z
Originally posted at: http://forum.eve-ru.com/index.php?s=&showtopic=43109&view=findpost&p=883550
I hate exploits as much as anyone, but sadly this video isn't proof of anything. Here's why: http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1004/localvanish.wmv |
Grath Telkin
Amarr Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.04.20 23:52:00 -
[397]
Originally by: MisterAl tt1
Originally by: Grath Telkin
All I see is a bunch of macro farmer alt accounts complaining because he won't divulge his actual tactic, thus allowing them to adjust the program, and avoid it.
So, until you can provide an actual piece of proof damning monkey directly, then your just making baseless accusations.
Would you be so kind to provide any proof that all the people, interested in the bug to be fixxed and bag-user to be banned are just "a bunch of macro farmer alt accounts" first?
Since when is proof needed in this thread?
Its a Russian witch hunt, planned on the EVE-RU forums, in plain sight. |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar Vahrokh Consulting
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Posted - 2010.04.20 23:54:00 -
[398]
Edited by: Vaerah Vahrokha on 20/04/2010 23:55:27
Quote:
Yes, of course. Because as long as we claim we're ridding the game of macroers we should all be allowed to use exploits
Where did I say that? Oh wait, in a thread full of alt of the same macros, there's lots of internet though guys who read what the others don't write.
Oh, with the sigs pics enabled, I now see it's the same internet though guys who tell I am a pirate (in the mission forum), when eve-survival.org got several of my posts about strats and fittings.
You fail. On all the line and more.
- Auditing & consulting
When looking for investors, please read http://tinyurl.com/n5ys4h + http://tinyurl.com/lrg4oz
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Mr Kidd
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Posted - 2010.04.20 23:57:00 -
[399]
Originally by: Grath Telkin
Originally by: Ranka Mei
Originally by: The Monkeysphere You were macroing, I remember it quite well.
Also there are no Minmatar ships on your killmail - stop lying, you isk selling botter!
What if he were? Mind you, I have no love for macro-miners, but this Robin Hood hat you're trying on to justify hacking the system isn't fooling anyone (okay, maybe just a few).
Hacking EVE is an offense you need to be banned for. For life. Here's to hoping CCP reads along.
Your still running under the assumption that he's hacking, with absolutely NO actual proof that monkey himself is doing this.
Simply because the russians can create the effect, be it illusion, or real, does not mean that Monkey himself does this.
Your continued efforts to put cuffs on the man, to justify your cheating of the system isn't fooling anyone. Macroing in EVE and selling it for real money is an offense you need to be banned for. For life. Here's to hoping CCP reads along.
Hacking or exploit is doesn't matter. It needs to be stopped one way or the other by CCP.
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Grath Telkin
Amarr Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.04.20 23:59:00 -
[400]
Originally by: Mr Kidd
Originally by: Grath Telkin
Originally by: Ranka Mei
Originally by: The Monkeysphere You were macroing, I remember it quite well.
Also there are no Minmatar ships on your killmail - stop lying, you isk selling botter!
What if he were? Mind you, I have no love for macro-miners, but this Robin Hood hat you're trying on to justify hacking the system isn't fooling anyone (okay, maybe just a few).
Hacking EVE is an offense you need to be banned for. For life. Here's to hoping CCP reads along.
Your still running under the assumption that he's hacking, with absolutely NO actual proof that monkey himself is doing this.
Simply because the russians can create the effect, be it illusion, or real, does not mean that Monkey himself does this.
Your continued efforts to put cuffs on the man, to justify your cheating of the system isn't fooling anyone. Macroing in EVE and selling it for real money is an offense you need to be banned for. For life. Here's to hoping CCP reads along.
Hacking or exploit is doesn't matter. It needs to be stopped one way or the other by CCP.
And if its neither of those?
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Ocularus Dothumiter
Amarr Lyonesse. RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2010.04.21 00:01:00 -
[401]
If monkey had hacked local, why would he make it so that he would appear at all. If he could hack the game why would he even need a ship to kill you and why would he need to show up on grid? [url=http://killboard.kia-clan.info/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=25987] [/url] |
Caldrion Dosto
Garoun Investment Bank
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Posted - 2010.04.21 00:02:00 -
[402]
It seems indeed to be something fishy especially since you in PL act all holier then thou on the matter.
I call shenanigans on Monkeys "tactics".
As the saying goes if it looks like a duck and squeaks as a duck it probably is a duck.
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Merchant Queen
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Posted - 2010.04.21 00:02:00 -
[403]
Originally by: Grath Telkin
All I see is a bunch of macro farmer alt accounts complaining because he won't divulge his actual tactic, thus allowing them to adjust the program, and avoid it.
Hmm, and what I see is a bunch of pl guys trolling and derailing the topic now turning to damage control.
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chrisss0r
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Posted - 2010.04.21 00:04:00 -
[404]
Originally by: Ocularus Dothumiter If monkey had hacked local, why would he make it so that he would appear at all.
So that there are no screenshots with him shooting someone while not showing in local?
if he enters local a moment before he engages it's almost impossible to prove he is using an exploit because you would have to have fraps running like the whole time because he MIGHT show up
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Grath Telkin
Amarr Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.04.21 00:07:00 -
[405]
Originally by: Caldrion Dosto It seems indeed to be something fishy especially since you in PL act all holier then thou on the matter.
I call shenanigans on Monkeys "tactics".
As the saying goes if it looks like a duck and squeaks as a duck it probably is a duck.
Yea, its almost like, we know something you don't isn't it.
Hmm, I wonder .....
Originally by: Merchant Queen
Originally by: Grath Telkin
All I see is a bunch of macro farmer alt accounts complaining because he won't divulge his actual tactic, thus allowing them to adjust the program, and avoid it.
Hmm, and what I see is a bunch of pl guys trolling and derailing the topic now turning to damage control.
Its actually mainly just me, I have this compulsion to argue that I've never quite been able to overcome.
And if by damage control you mean asking you to provide any real evidence to back your claims against a particular player, then yes, I'm damage controlling.
Also, way to go hacking out an exploit from thin air, thats pretty sweet, becareful you don't get banned for it though, I mean, intentionally going out of your way to create an exploit...thats gotta be frowned on right?
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Caldrion Dosto
Garoun Investment Bank
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Posted - 2010.04.21 00:11:00 -
[406]
I do think you are full of **** tbh, and it will be interesting to follow and see what will surface after this..
I have never encountered anyone "hiding" in local. In 0.0, and i have been there a bit. So i would be thrilled to know how you accomplish such a feat within the legal game mechanics.
I think a more probable thing is that you actually got something similar to the russian haxx.. But who lives will see.. Lots of stories, true or false it looks strange to me.
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YOUR MA1N
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Posted - 2010.04.21 00:13:00 -
[407]
A lot of people here need to post with their mains TBH
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woarus
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Posted - 2010.04.21 00:13:00 -
[408]
Petition about Monkeysphere, lol internets, Goose Hypocrisy i sent - 4/4/2010 11:26:00 PM
today 4/20/2010 1:02:00 PM from Senior GM Spiral
All information we have within the server indicate that they were in the system for some time prior to engaging your ship, certainly more than a few seconds. We will have your claims of an exploit investigated in more detail, but in the absence of any evidence supporting the act of reimbursement in this case I am afraid that we can not provide your request in this petition.
If you have any questions or concerns then please do not hesitate to ask.
Best regards, Senior GM Spiral EVE Online Customer Support Team
http://1hc.biz/000/victim.avi http://1hc.biz/000/imalikeamonkey.avi http://1hc.biz/000/localvanish.wmv http://1hc.biz/000/w9cpav.jpg
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Ranka Mei
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.04.21 00:13:00 -
[409]
Originally by: Ocularus Dothumiter If monkey had hacked local, why would he make it so that he would appear at all.
Erm, because he needs to show up to kill you?! :)
Quote: If he could hack the game why would he even need a ship to kill you and why would he need to show up on grid?
Because he wouldn't be hacking the server, of course (well, that would be extremely unlikely). But, I dunno, something like 'looping' a few UPD packets, client-side, to make it appear that you're still absent, only to 'release' the regular stream again when needed, thus appearing as if coming out of nowhere, I wouldn't put it past them. Still, if that's the case, how hard would it be for the EVE server to add logic to detect such anomalies? (like your ship being in a position it's not expected to be).
At the very least I think this warrants an investigation by CCP. -- Gorgeous, delicious, deculture! |
Grath Telkin
Amarr Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.04.21 00:15:00 -
[410]
Originally by: Caldrion Dosto I do think you are full of **** tbh, and it will be interesting to follow and see what will surface after this..
I have never encountered anyone "hiding" in local. In 0.0, and i have been there a bit. So i would be thrilled to know how you accomplish such a feat within the legal game mechanics.
I think a more probable thing is that you actually got something similar to the russian haxx.. But who lives will see.. Lots of stories, true or false it looks strange to me.
Yea, I'm totally full of it.
By your own words, you've NEVER encountered someone hiding in 0.0 local, and yet, Monkey, has somehow magically kept this to himself for THREE YEARS.
In truth, he learned it from Awox in a bar in Jakarta while drunk, in a game of poker that used naked midgets for betting.
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MatrixSkye Mk2
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.04.21 00:15:00 -
[411]
Grath Telkin,
The 'technique' being used is coming to light. And it smells like an exploit. So the proof is there. But it's funny how now your tone has changed from "prove there's an exploit" to "now prove monkey is using this exploit". Everything's slowly adding up, and it seems like your boy monkey is indeed up to no good. Where there's smoke there's probably fire. There's a lot of things that aren't adding up and it's funny watching you try and explain everything away with luck, skills, "because of macros", "because you suck", etc.
Give it time. Things will come to light soon enough. And I'm sure you're interested that the truth be known .
Grief a PVP'er. Run a mission today! |
Ranka Mei
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.04.21 00:21:00 -
[412]
Edited by: Ranka Mei on 21/04/2010 00:22:14
Originally by: Rawr Cristina EDIT: Not to say that Monkeysphere isn't exploiting. He probably is, but you're going to need more than that for CCP to do something.
That's like the tail whagging the dog, as CCP are really the only ones who can meaningfully look into this. So, it's CCP's move first, really. -- Gorgeous, delicious, deculture! |
Phosphorus Palladium
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Posted - 2010.04.21 00:24:00 -
[413]
Originally by: Grath Telkin ...I have never encountered anyone "hiding" in local. In 0.0, and i have been there a bit. So i would be thrilled to know how you accomplish such a feat within the legal game mechanics...
...By your own words, you've NEVER encountered someone hiding in 0.0 local, and yet, Monkey, has somehow magically kept this to himself for THREE YEARS...
You do remember the POS exploit, right? That was used by a certain group of people for quite a long time.
One thing is for sure: If there is any technique that prevents a player from appearing in local (not counting wormholes ofc) then it IS an exploit.
Regardless if monkeysphere has been using any such exploit, if it exists it needs to be fixed.
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Sciencegeek deathdealer
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Posted - 2010.04.21 00:28:00 -
[414]
Originally by: Rawr Cristina Edited by: Rawr Cristina on 21/04/2010 00:10:56
Originally by: MisterAl tt1 VIDEO!!! Someone not being in local: http://www.megavideo.com/?v=0C3GE02Z
Originally posted at: http://forum.eve-ru.com/index.php?s=&showtopic=43109&view=findpost&p=883550
I hate exploits as much as anyone, but sadly this video isn't proof of anything. Here's why: http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1004/localvanish.wmv
EDIT: Not to say that Monkeysphere isn't exploiting. He probably is, but you're going to need more than that for CCP to do something. I mean, they don't even ban obvious macros
you would have a valid point except for the fact that that ship could be empty. it didnt move or lock onto anything unlike the other video. regardlesss however you did do that should be bug reported. the other ship in the video DID warp in and engage requireing an active player.
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Rawr Cristina
Caldari Omerta Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.04.21 00:35:00 -
[415]
Originally by: Sciencegeek deathdealer
Originally by: Rawr Cristina Edited by: Rawr Cristina on 21/04/2010 00:10:56
Originally by: MisterAl tt1 VIDEO!!! Someone not being in local: http://www.megavideo.com/?v=0C3GE02Z
Originally posted at: http://forum.eve-ru.com/index.php?s=&showtopic=43109&view=findpost&p=883550
I hate exploits as much as anyone, but sadly this video isn't proof of anything. Here's why: http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1004/localvanish.wmv
EDIT: Not to say that Monkeysphere isn't exploiting. He probably is, but you're going to need more than that for CCP to do something. I mean, they don't even ban obvious macros
you would have a valid point except for the fact that that ship could be empty. it didnt move or lock onto anything unlike the other video. regardlesss however you did do that should be bug reported. the other ship in the video DID warp in and engage requireing an active player.
All I see is a ship warping to a gate, which can be done on sisi just by CTRL-Qing midwarp (as part of the deep safe nerf you now complete your warp when logged off)
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B0NECRUSHER
Minmatar Republic Military School
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Posted - 2010.04.21 00:35:00 -
[416]
It is not an exploit ONLY if it happens to players that use the so called advanced macro software! The exploit is in the macro software and has been confirmed. You know who you are, stop using it period.
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Sciencegeek deathdealer
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Posted - 2010.04.21 00:38:00 -
[417]
Edited by: Sciencegeek deathdealer on 21/04/2010 00:42:52 edit-correcting error due to eves stupid forums.
Originally by: Rawr Cristina Edited by: Rawr Cristina on 21/04/2010 00:37:15
Originally by: Sciencegeek deathdealer
Originally by: Rawr Cristina Edited by: Rawr Cristina on 21/04/2010 00:10:56
Originally by: MisterAl tt1 VIDEO!!! Someone not being in local: http://www.megavideo.com/?v=0C3GE02Z
Originally posted at: http://forum.eve-ru.com/index.php?s=&showtopic=43109&view=findpost&p=883550
I hate exploits as much as anyone, but sadly this video isn't proof of anything. Here's why: http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1004/localvanish.wmv
EDIT: Not to say that Monkeysphere isn't exploiting. He probably is, but you're going to need more than that for CCP to do something. I mean, they don't even ban obvious macros
you would have a valid point except for the fact that that ship could be empty. it didnt move or lock onto anything unlike the other video. regardlesss however you did do that should be bug reported. the other ship in the video DID warp in and engage requireing an active player.
It's a pilotless ship warping to a gate, nothing more. You can do it on Sisi just by CTRL-Qing midwarp (as part of the deep safe nerf you now complete your warp when logged off)
Good point. I would still be intrested in seeing what CCP has to say, and the means behind it, however it does seem to be a toss up between an exploit or not. so even though I dislike PL (who is obnociously spamming this thread with random unsuported accusations) you do have a valid point asto the screenshots, leaveing those affected up to not noticeing local. only ccp can tell us for sure. i know on more then one occasion I have drifted off while ratting even though i didnt know it and lost my ship. meh its a good read.
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Lubomir Penev
interimo
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Posted - 2010.04.21 00:56:00 -
[418]
I think the technique he uses is pretty simple, and based on EVE pretty ******ed login/logout mechanics (which favor login traps greatly).
Imagine you got a good idea where someone will be (hint : you can probe logoffsky as they reconnect, pinpointing them better each time they relog to see if there is someone in local).
Once you probed their safe :
- enter the system in your Arazu
- initiate warp to safe
- logout
This all happened under a second, local didn't register you entering and leaving. As you are logged off your ship continue its warp, then emergency warp from its destination (the ratter safespot).
You login again, ratter (or his macro) notices you, warp to safespot. As he lands in the safe, so do you, get tackle/get curse and machariel in/neut/dps/loot.
Morons who reuse safes deserve to die, and I command The Monkeysphere for his hard work if it's indeed the technique he uses, even if it's pretty gay tbh, but so are his farming victims.
And yes you can cross a system without appearing in local that way too, trick used by freighter pilots for as long as I played eve.
Maybe now that the cat is out of the bag CCP will do something about its ******ed login/logout mechanics, its about time.
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kaisersauzee
State Protectorate
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Posted - 2010.04.21 01:13:00 -
[419]
Originally by: Caldrion Dosto It seems indeed to be something fishy especially since you in PL act all holier then thou on the matter.
I call shenanigans on Monkeys "tactics".
As the saying goes if it looks like a duck and squeaks as a duck it probably is a duck.
While you`re wrongly accusing a duck of squeaking, the sensible people among us realise that the duck is actually quacking |
Deus Ex'Machina
The-Machine
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Posted - 2010.04.21 01:29:00 -
[420]
Originally by: kaisersauzee
Originally by: Caldrion Dosto It seems indeed to be something fishy especially since you in PL act all holier then thou on the matter.
I call shenanigans on Monkeys "tactics".
As the saying goes if it looks like a duck and squeaks as a duck it probably is a duck.
While you`re wrongly accusing a duck of squeaking, the sensible people among us realise that the duck is actually quacking
I would like a perma-roasted duck... - Arkanon: EXPLAIN YOURSELF, EVILDOER! Sharkbait: Dude. |
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Boomershoot
Caldari Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2010.04.21 01:52:00 -
[421]
This Thread is by far the most embarassing proof of how many russians abuse macro programs.
I suppose I'll have to get a russian filter
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MatrixSkye Mk2
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.04.21 02:06:00 -
[422]
Originally by: Boomershoot This Thread is by far the most embarassing proof of how many russians abuse macro programs.
Confirming that if you're against the use of exploits you are both:
1) a Russian 2) a macro abuser
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Boomershoot
Caldari Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2010.04.21 02:11:00 -
[423]
Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2
Originally by: Boomershoot This Thread is by far the most embarassing proof of how many russians abuse macro programs.
Confirming that if you're against the use of exploits you are both:
1) a Russian 2) a macro abuser
MatrixSkye подтверждается как русский.
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Flinx Evenstar
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.04.21 02:27:00 -
[424]
Loving this thread, so many rabbits, looking down holes, none of them saw the shotgun.
MatrixSkye do you remember why you are called MatrixSkye 2. I do. --- Witness epic fleet battles in Dominion
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Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2010.04.21 02:35:00 -
[425]
Originally by: YOUR MA1N A lot of people here need to post with their mains TBH
They are. We have PL mains and PL main alts. I will leave it to our intrepid forum readers to figure out who is who.
Originally by: CCP Zymurgist Get off the forums and go kill someone!
Originally by: Amarr Supremacist Yeah, it(Jaguar) almost has cruiser level tank and gank!
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Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2010.04.21 03:00:00 -
[426]
Originally by: RentableMuffin
Originally by: Zeba
Originally by: YOUR MA1N A lot of people here need to post with their mains TBH
They are. We have PL mains and PL main alts. I will leave it to our intrepid forum readers to figure out who is who.
zomg I was in a safespot and ZEBA just randomly appeared one time in lowsec!
and zomg the tears, it just makes me wish ccp would get rid of local in 0.0 already
That was my alt who is also in ZEBA.
Originally by: CCP Zymurgist Get off the forums and go kill someone!
Originally by: Amarr Supremacist Yeah, it(Jaguar) almost has cruiser level tank and gank!
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MatrixSkye Mk2
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.04.21 03:05:00 -
[427]
Originally by: Flinx Evenstar Loving this thread, so many rabbits, looking down holes, none of them saw the shotgun.
MatrixSkye do you remember why you are called MatrixSkye 2. I do.
Do you really? I biomassed Mk1 only to then realize I'd like to keep him around. Hence, Mk2. Don't remember telling anyone though. But there you have it. Now if only Pandemic Legion was as forthcoming :) But I suppose that would be too much to ask for, so carry on with the obvious thread derailment. Your cheat is out in the open now.
Grief a PVP'er. Run a mission today! |
ChuckBass
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Posted - 2010.04.21 03:20:00 -
[428]
Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2
Originally by: Flinx Evenstar Loving this thread, so many rabbits, looking down holes, none of them saw the shotgun.
MatrixSkye do you remember why you are called MatrixSkye 2. I do.
Do you really? I biomassed Mk1 only to then realize I'd like to keep him around. Hence, Mk2. Don't remember telling anyone though. But there you have it. Now if only Pandemic Legion was as forthcoming :) But I suppose that would be too much to ask for, so carry on with the obvious thread derailment. Your cheat is out in the open now.
out in the open as in "speculated on wildly with absolutely no proof, despite multiple petitions directly to ccp on the subject" yeah that seems likely
ps killyourself
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Boomershoot
Caldari Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2010.04.21 03:41:00 -
[429]
Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2 cheat
I only see claims of bug reports and fake screenshoots, lolvideos and lot of russian sweat.
CCP said anything yet? :3
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Huhuhuhuhuhuh
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Posted - 2010.04.21 03:50:00 -
[430]
Originally by: Boomershoot
Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2 cheat
I only see claims of bug reports and fake screenshoots, lolvideos and lot of russian sweat.
CCP said anything yet? :3
So far the report is classified as "attached to the defect". Give developers time, as i can guess they are still sleeping :P
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Jeff Rocketeer
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Posted - 2010.04.21 03:51:00 -
[431]
Originally by: ChuckBass
out in the open as in "speculated on wildly with absolutely no proof, despite multiple petitions directly to ccp on the subject" yeah that seems likely
http://1hc.biz/000/victim.avi http://1hc.biz/000/imalikeamonkey.avi source http://forum.eve-ru.com/index.php?s=&showtopic=43109&view=findpost&p=883550 thanks to trik
http://1hc.biz/000/w9cpav.jpg
source http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1304476&page=13#370
Originally by: ChuckBass
speculated on wildly with absolutely no proof
Originally by: ChuckBass
with absolutely no proof
Originally by: ChuckBass
no proof
yeah.
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Klezmer
Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta
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Posted - 2010.04.21 03:51:00 -
[432]
Edited by: Klezmer on 21/04/2010 03:52:51 Funny people making cry tears with noone of the evidence. Troll you is all you can be. Maybe when makes the evidence true presented here then this real. Otherwise just angry farmer needing to be paying attention.
I say only лоханулся фермеров
EDIT
Originally by: Jeff Rocketeer
Originally by: ChuckBass
out in the open as in "speculated on wildly with absolutely no proof, despite multiple petitions directly to ccp on the subject" yeah that seems likely
http://1hc.biz/000/victim.avi http://1hc.biz/000/imalikeamonkey.avi source http://forum.eve-ru.com/index.php?s=&showtopic=43109&view=findpost&p=883550 thanks to trik
http://1hc.biz/000/w9cpav.jpg
source http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1304476&page=13#370
Originally by: ChuckBass
speculated on wildly with absolutely no proof
Originally by: ChuckBass
with absolutely no proof
Originally by: ChuckBass
no proof
yeah.
THIS not proof, just stupid doctor picture or SISI rubbish. ~
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Huhuhuhuhuhuh
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Posted - 2010.04.21 03:57:00 -
[433]
Originally by: Klezmer Edited by: Klezmer on 21/04/2010 03:52:51 THIS not proof, just stupid doctor picture or SISI rubbish.
Well, due to some stupid reason I value my accounts that's why I am not exploiting on Tranq. Personally I hope that bug will be fixed asap, parties who lost some assets because of it reimbursed, exploiters - banned and we can close this topic.
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Boomershoot
Caldari Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2010.04.21 04:37:00 -
[434]
Originally by: Huhuhuhuhuhuh
Originally by: Klezmer Edited by: Klezmer on 21/04/2010 03:52:51 THIS not proof, just stupid doctor picture or SISI rubbish.
Well, due to some stupid reason I value my accounts that's why I am not exploiting on Tranq. Personally I hope that bug will be fixed asap, parties who lost some assets because of it reimbursed, exploiters - banned and we can close this topic.
Can i point out that the picture in this thread is not real, and that even if it was the raven is shooting missiles 5'482km away?
Talk about sploits
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The Crushah
Gallente Death of Virtue MeatSausage EXPRESS
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Posted - 2010.04.21 04:37:00 -
[435]
Anybody here care to make a bet?
I got 100M ISK that says what Monkeysphere is doing is legit within the mechanics of the game and no banning will occur.
Anybody care to take me up on this? Come on, ya bunch of wussies.
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Anami Casserina
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Posted - 2010.04.21 04:43:00 -
[436]
Originally by: Lubomir Penev
Originally by: The Monkeysphere DAY OF ALL THE HAX
THIS IS THE STORY OF A DAY WHERE THERE WAS ALL THIS HAX. A MAN WAS WALKING AROUND AND HAX STARTED COMING OUT OF HIM EVERYWHERE. THERE WAS SO MUCH HAX THAT IT FILLED UP AN ELEVATOR. HE WENT TO THE STORE AND THERE WAS JUST HAX ALL OVER THE PLACE! PEOPLE WERE SLIPPING IN IT AND THEY WERE ALL GROSSED OUT. HE TRIED TO GO SWIMMING AND ALL OF THE SHARKS WENT NUTS AND BITTENED EVERYBODY. HE GOT CHASED BY ALL THE VAMPIRES EVER. ONE TIME THE HAX GOT A KID AND A DOG. AT THE END OF THE DAY EVERYONE DECIDED THEY WOULD SEND HIM TO SPACE SO THAT HE WOULD STOP GETTING HAX EVERY WHERE. THE SCARIEST PART IS THAT THE MAN WAS ME, THE MONKEYSPHERE!!! (OR HE WAS A LADY IF YOU ARE A LADY) AND YOU FORGOT THAT THIS HAPPENED
I guess we should be happy it's not Squad Broken.
Would you prefer Squad Broken (or its Sequel Squad Broken 2: The revenge of eduardo)?
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Blood Mace
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Posted - 2010.04.21 06:04:00 -
[437]
PL, Monkeysphere and his alts are pointed and structure is going down.
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Creamster
Fremen Sietch DarkSide.
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Posted - 2010.04.21 06:07:00 -
[438]
Can you believe these people?
A freaking machariel is coming to get them with only 2 ships by its side! No matter how he's doing it you still can take it down, tackle it and cyno in a carrier ffs. Once you kill him he's unlikely to bother you again.
Drop that victim mentality already.
___________ In Petition we trust |
Huhuhuhuhuhuh
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Posted - 2010.04.21 06:08:00 -
[439]
Edited by: Huhuhuhuhuhuh on 21/04/2010 06:08:03
Originally by: Creamster Can you believe these people?
A freaking machariel is coming to get them with only 2 ships by its side! No matter how he's doing it you still can take it down, tackle it and cyno in a carrier ffs. Once you kill him he's unlikely to bother you again.
Drop that victim mentality already.
<3 Tasai
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Creamster
Fremen Sietch DarkSide.
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Posted - 2010.04.21 06:15:00 -
[440]
Originally by: Huhuhuhuhuhuh Edited by: Huhuhuhuhuhuh on 21/04/2010 06:08:03
<3 Tasai
Huh? ___________ In Petition we trust |
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Certero
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Posted - 2010.04.21 06:16:00 -
[441]
thanks to Monkey now russian pilots can kill anybody not been in local chat - need to use scaner always in any system (as in WH). Now we need to explain how he warped to 0m to cloaked ships (if it's true) and soon we'll play in completely new EVE )))
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Boomershoot
Caldari Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2010.04.21 06:25:00 -
[442]
Edited by: Boomershoot on 21/04/2010 06:24:52
Originally by: Certero thanks to Monkey now russian pilots can kill anybody not been in local chat - need to use scaner always in any system (as in WH). Now we need to explain how he warped to 0m to cloaked ships (if it's true) and soon we'll play in completely new EVE )))
Where ******s are just a problem of the past
OH WAIT~
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Huhuhuhuhuhuh
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Posted - 2010.04.21 06:29:00 -
[443]
Originally by: Creamster
Originally by: Huhuhuhuhuhuh Edited by: Huhuhuhuhuhuh on 21/04/2010 06:08:03
<3 Tasai
Huh?
ladder ~
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Grath Telkin
Amarr Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.04.21 06:39:00 -
[444]
Originally by: Huhuhuhuhuhuh
Originally by: Klezmer Edited by: Klezmer on 21/04/2010 03:52:51 THIS not proof, just stupid doctor picture or SISI rubbish.
Well, due to some stupid reason I value my accounts that's why I am not exploiting on Tranq. Personally I hope that bug will be fixed asap, parties who lost some assets because of it reimbursed, exploiters - banned and we can close this topic.
Well, I'd still be worried if I was you.
It seems the russian forums may be working out whats going on, and the consensus is that whatever your doing, can't be recreated on the live server, and that all the other screen shots are fakes (this is from their mouths), and that monkey is indeed working with in the game mechanics.
In Evil Thugs own words, he's an idiot for only doing this much with it.
So...
I guess all you guys that purposely started trying to dupe the client into taking you out of local may in fact have some explaining to do to keep those accounts running, bug report or not, you purposefully, and maliciously attempted to cheat the game, because you couldn't fit your head around what he was doing.
Oh lord if they ban you.
I expect the thread to die down now that the money backing it knows whats going on, and can attempt to counter it.
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Certero
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Posted - 2010.04.21 06:44:00 -
[445]
Originally by: Grath Telkin
Oh lord if they ban you.
Don't worry man. Just relax and have fun now!
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Vicomte de'Bragelonne
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Posted - 2010.04.21 06:44:00 -
[446]
Edited by: Vicomte de''Bragelonne on 21/04/2010 06:45:22
Originally by: Grath Telkin
monkey is indeed working with in the game mechanics.
f**k yeah!
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar Vahrokh Consulting
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Posted - 2010.04.21 06:44:00 -
[447]
Quote:
Petition about Monkeysphere, lol internets, Goose Hypocrisy i sent - 4/4/2010 11:26:00 PM
today 4/20/2010 1:02:00 PM from Senior GM Spiral
AFAIK it's forbidden to post GM's mails.
Quote:
think the technique he uses is pretty simple, and based on EVE pretty ******ed login/logout mechanics (which favor login traps greatly).
Isn't it just awesome? Logoffskys fought with a logoffsky strat.
Quote:
Confirming that if you're against the use of exploits you are both:
1) a Russian 2) a macro abuser
They don't seem against the use of exploits, macros ARE exploits as well.
Quote:
A freaking machariel is coming to get them with only 2 ships by its side! No matter how he's doing it you still can take it down, tackle it and cyno in a carrier ffs. Once you kill him he's unlikely to bother you again
They cannot hotdrop che mach, as the fight was man against a bot. Bots don't hotdrop (for now).
- Auditing & consulting
When looking for investors, please read http://tinyurl.com/n5ys4h + http://tinyurl.com/lrg4oz
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Grath Telkin
Amarr Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.04.21 06:47:00 -
[448]
Originally by: Vicomte de'Bragelonne Edited by: Vicomte de''Bragelonne on 21/04/2010 06:45:22
Originally by: Grath Telkin
monkey is indeed working with in the game mechanics.
f**k yeah!
don't bite down so hard on the hook son
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Huhuhuhuhuhuh
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Posted - 2010.04.21 06:47:00 -
[449]
Originally by: Grath Telkin
Originally by: Huhuhuhuhuhuh
Well, I'd still be worried if I was you.
It seems the russian forums may be working out whats going on, and the consensus is that whatever your doing, can't be recreated on the live server, and that all the other screen shots are fakes (this is from their mouths), and that monkey is indeed working with in the game mechanics.
In Evil Thugs own words, he's an idiot for only doing this much with it.
So...
I guess all you guys that purposely started trying to dupe the client into taking you out of local may in fact have some explaining to do to keep those accounts running, bug report or not, you purposefully, and maliciously attempted to cheat the game, because you couldn't fit your head around what he was doing.
Oh lord if they ban you.
I expect the thread to die down now that the money backing it knows whats going on, and can attempt to counter it.
I guess you fail at damage control. Now you have accepted the fact that exploit exist, make a next step. And. Getting a ban for bug reporting would be a funny experience :)
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DIM69ON
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Posted - 2010.04.21 06:50:00 -
[450]
Originally by: Grath Telkin
Originally by: Huhuhuhuhuhuh
Originally by: Klezmer Edited by: Klezmer on 21/04/2010 03:52:51 THIS not proof, just stupid doctor picture or SISI rubbish.
Well, due to some stupid reason I value my accounts that's why I am not exploiting on Tranq. Personally I hope that bug will be fixed asap, parties who lost some assets because of it reimbursed, exploiters - banned and we can close this topic.
Well, I'd still be worried if I was you.
It seems the russian forums may be working out whats going on, and the consensus is that whatever your doing, can't be recreated on the live server, and that all the other screen shots are fakes (this is from their mouths), and that monkey is indeed working with in the game mechanics.
In Evil Thugs own words, he's an idiot for only doing this much with it.
So...
I guess all you guys that purposely started trying to dupe the client into taking you out of local may in fact have some explaining to do to keep those accounts running, bug report or not, you purposefully, and maliciously attempted to cheat the game, because you couldn't fit your head around what he was doing.
Oh lord if they ban you.
I expect the thread to die down now that the money backing it knows whats going on, and can attempt to counter it.
Do not stop believing Hold on to the feeling People lamppost
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Boomershoot
Caldari Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2010.04.21 06:51:00 -
[451]
Originally by: Vicomte de'Bragelonne Edited by: Vicomte de''Bragelonne on 21/04/2010 06:45:22
Originally by: Grath Telkin
monkey is indeed working with in the game mechanics.
f**k yeah!
HE'S SHOOTING RAVENS 5'846KM AWAY
ZOMG HAX
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Certero
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Posted - 2010.04.21 06:54:00 -
[452]
Edited by: Certero on 21/04/2010 06:54:36
Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha
They don't seem against the use of exploits, macros ARE exploits as well.
In 5th time in this thread just for you and other clever guys:
Monkey killed a lot of macro users and there were no troubles. But his recent victims were good russian pilots (not macrousers)! That's why russians began this thread.
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Boomershoot
Caldari Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2010.04.21 06:59:00 -
[453]
Originally by: Certero russian pilots (not macrousers)! That's why russians began this thread.
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Creamster
Fremen Sietch DarkSide.
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Posted - 2010.04.21 07:00:00 -
[454]
Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha
Quote:
They cannot hotdrop che mach, as the fight was man against a bot. Bots don't hotdrop (for now).
Well, bots deserve whatever's coming to them, when they were less sophisticated I used to hunt them down myself. But if monkeyshpere's victims were in fact piloted by men they received a golden opportunity to get a cool frag and they whined it away.
By the way I do remember themonkey and lol internets lurking around stain years back. True pro, patient and deadly. Didn't cause us (stain empire folks) any trouble though but our pets complained a lot ___________ In Petition we trust |
Corbeau Lenoir
ZER0. IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.04.21 07:03:00 -
[455]
Few days ago I encountered this bug. I wasn't victim of some gank and haven't done anything special. I was just browsing through contracts, when my eve client froze. I closed the frozen client and relogged really fast. I wasn't present in any chat(local/corp/other). I experimented a little bit with my corpmates. It appears that everyone, who has logged after I did, saw me normally as it should be. Others(those who logged in before) - did not. Session change did not influence this bug. Docking/undocking didn't make me appear to those, who saw me not.
So bug is clearly in the game. But I'm not sure how to reproduce it. I tried to bugreport this, but my report was filtered out, because of lack of guaranteed ways to reproduce this.
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Jana Solaris
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Posted - 2010.04.21 07:08:00 -
[456]
He's using a packet sniffer to single out the chatserver. How exactly he does it isn't clear but afaik it is similair to when you have severe lag and your chat windows don't load.
It's been known for some time and judging by the ammount of PL fanboys there's more of 'm doing it.
Monkeysphere, you should have just let it blow by instead of defending yourself (together with your alt ;)) only pulled more attention to it.
So now the story's out we are gonna see 100's maybe 1000's of people doing this and CCP will have to fix it.
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Certero
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Posted - 2010.04.21 07:08:00 -
[457]
Originally by: Boomershoot
Originally by: Certero russian pilots (not macrousers)! That's why russians began this thread.
hey funny guy! do you really think that a lot of russians are macrousers??? You need to be more realistic. There are a lot of way to make good money (really god money) in this country if you have a mind. I'm not interesting in pilots who trying to work in eve - it's their own problem. But why to suspect all russians? Bcos you are reading bad papers and watchind bad tv?
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Certero
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Posted - 2010.04.21 07:13:00 -
[458]
Originally by: Jana Solaris He's using a packet sniffer to single out the chatserver.
Exactly. Reprodused by EVE-RU users for one of the screenshots.
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Boomershoot
Caldari Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2010.04.21 07:14:00 -
[459]
Originally by: Certero
Originally by: Boomershoot
Originally by: Certero russian pilots (not macrousers)! That's why russians began this thread.
hey funny guy! do you really think that a lot of russians are macrousers???
Yes
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Certero
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Posted - 2010.04.21 07:21:00 -
[460]
Originally by: Boomershoot
Yes
Congrats! Most clever guy in this thread detected
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Jana Solaris
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Posted - 2010.04.21 07:33:00 -
[461]
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1305506
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SlayerOfArgus
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2010.04.21 07:36:00 -
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Originally by: Jana Solaris http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1305506
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar Vahrokh Consulting
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Posted - 2010.04.21 07:43:00 -
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Monkey killed a lot of macro users and there were no troubles. But his recent victims were good russian pilots (not macrousers)! That's why russians began this thread
I suppose a non macro user who went attacked by an "invisible" player would immediately post a screenshot showing his ship being attacked / blown up while in local no one else is apparently present. I know I'd do.
What's preventing those "good pilots" from doing that?
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So bug is clearly in the game. But I'm not sure how to reproduce it. I tried to bugreport this, but my report was filtered out, because of lack of guaranteed ways to reproduce this.
You are experiencing the same bug I and Chribba already reported days ago on the Issues forum. Not sure if it's the way he's killing those guys, replicating the bug for 3 accounts / ships seems hard, I only get on 1 account out of 4 and not always.
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So now the story's out we are gonna see 100's maybe 1000's of people doing this and CCP will have to fix it.
Hopefully CCP will do what they should have done years ago and remove local from 0.0 chats. Oh THE TEARS! MWAHAAHAH!
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Jana Solaris
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Posted - 2010.04.21 07:45:00 -
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Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha
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Monkey killed a lot of macro users and there were no troubles. But his recent victims were good russian pilots (not macrousers)! That's why russians began this thread
I suppose a non macro user who went attacked by an "invisible" player would immediately post a screenshot showing his ship being attacked / blown up while in local no one else is apparently present. I know I'd do.
What's preventing those "good pilots" from doing that?
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So bug is clearly in the game. But I'm not sure how to reproduce it. I tried to bugreport this, but my report was filtered out, because of lack of guaranteed ways to reproduce this.
You are experiencing the same bug I and Chribba already reported days ago on the Issues forum. Not sure if it's the way he's killing those guys, replicating the bug for 3 accounts / ships seems hard, I only get on 1 account out of 4 and not always.
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So now the story's out we are gonna see 100's maybe 1000's of people doing this and CCP will have to fix it.
Hopefully CCP will do what they should have done years ago and remove local from 0.0 chats. Oh THE TEARS! MWAHAAHAH!
It is allready proven. Thread over.
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chrisss0r
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Posted - 2010.04.21 07:46:00 -
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Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha
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Monkey killed a lot of macro users and there were no troubles. But his recent victims were good russian pilots (not macrousers)! That's why russians began this thread
I suppose a non macro user who went attacked by an "invisible" player would immediately post a screenshot showing his ship being attacked / blown up while in local no one else is apparently present. I know I'd do.
What's preventing those "good pilots" from doing that?
because he is not mentally ******ed and enters local shortly before he attacks to make sure there is no proof of him using an exploit?
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Certero
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Posted - 2010.04.21 07:54:00 -
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Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha
I know I'd do.
You're wrong. Covert is not in local chat and he will not decloak and kill you. You will be killed by 3 other ships. They will appear in local and jump to you as soon as they enter the system. Your screenshot will show 3 ships killing you, they will be in local. But your screenshot will not show cloaked covert and he will not be in local. So, screenshot will not help you...
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar Vahrokh Consulting
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Posted - 2010.04.21 07:59:00 -
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Edited by: Vaerah Vahrokha on 21/04/2010 08:04:57
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because he is not mentally ******ed and enters local shortly before he attacks to make sure there is no proof of him using an exploit?
So, get the eval FRAPS and use the feature that always keeps 30 seconds worth of video capture "hot" so that it can be stored when needed.
This WILL show the 30 seconds before the attack, therefore Monkeywhatshisname will have to appear in those 30 seconds. If he appears in local 5 seconds before the gank then it's exploit, else it's just botters spewing excuses.
This is the one and objective "proof" that would have any foundation for any claim. The made up crap posted in this thread does not prove the precise individual is using one of those methods to do so.
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They will appear in local and jump to you as soon as they enter the system.
I know how to do the same, without breaking any EULA - and I am not even a 1337 PvPer at all.
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You're wrong. Covert is not in local chat and he will not decloak and kill you
Take note of the exact EvE time the attack happened and petition CCP to check if the server actually had a covert in the system or not. That cannot be spoofed like a chat does.
I mean, WTF all these people inventing new and creative ways (including exploiting the client themselves to prove a point) when with simple things he could be pinned down? - Auditing & consulting
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Certero
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Posted - 2010.04.21 08:02:00 -
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Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha The made up crap posted in this thread...
Monkey is just a pilot. The question is about exploit not to be in local. No need to bann anybody, but need to fix exploit (or remove local from 0.0) to achieve fairplay.
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baltec1
Antares Shipyards Aeternus.
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Posted - 2010.04.21 08:16:00 -
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Originally by: Certero
Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha
I know I'd do.
You're wrong. Covert is not in local chat and he will not decloak and kill you. You will be killed by 3 other ships. They will appear in local and jump to you as soon as they enter the system. Your screenshot will show 3 ships killing you, they will be in local. But your screenshot will not show cloaked covert and he will not be in local. So, screenshot will not help you...
Wait Wait so let me get this right.
A cov ops who does not delcloak thoughout the fight and does not show up in local finds the target and the other three warp in on top of you?
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chrisss0r
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Posted - 2010.04.21 08:16:00 -
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Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha Edited by: Vaerah Vahrokha on 21/04/2010 08:04:57
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because he is not mentally ******ed and enters local shortly before he attacks to make sure there is no proof of him using an exploit?
So, get the eval FRAPS and use the feature that always keeps 30 seconds worth of video capture "hot" so that it can be stored when needed.
This WILL show the 30 seconds before the attack, therefore Monkeywhatshisname will have to appear in those 30 seconds. If he appears in local 5 seconds before the gank then it's exploit, else it's just botters spewing excuses.
This is the one and objective "proof" that would have any foundation for any claim. The made up crap posted in this thread does not prove the precise individual is using one of those methods to do so.
hey i'm not affected by him, i rat in a hac :P
still that would proof nothing cause he could sit in local all day cloaked in his arazu and just enter local before he decloaks. Well i'm curious what ccp detects but no one would have thought it is possible to create materials from thin air in posses aswell
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Certero
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Posted - 2010.04.21 08:20:00 -
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Edited by: Certero on 21/04/2010 08:21:03
Originally by: baltec1
Wait Wait so let me get this right.
I'm not the victim - it was just my thoughts. I mean that ships that kill victim IS IN LOCAL at the moment of killing. Nothing more.
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baltec1
Antares Shipyards Aeternus.
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Posted - 2010.04.21 08:23:00 -
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Originally by: Certero
Originally by: baltec1
Wait Wait so let me get this right.
I'm not the victim - it was just my thoughts. I mean that ships that kill victim IS IN LOCAL in the moment of killing. Nothing more.
Yea hypothetical talk talk.
Its just that I have the burning question of, how do you know he is there if it never shows up in local or decloaks?
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Boomershoot
Caldari Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2010.04.21 08:25:00 -
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Originally by: Jana Solaris It is allready proven. Thread over.
Guess CCP Will remove local then
OH JOY :3
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chrisss0r
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Posted - 2010.04.21 08:25:00 -
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nah from waht i understands he hangs around in local and searches for his target. When he finds it he enters local, uncloaks and points the target, then the buddies jump in.
and yes i'm aware that the reason why people believe he did not show in local could be that people think "if he hd been in local my macro would have saved my ship up"
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MisterAl tt1
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Posted - 2010.04.21 08:28:00 -
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Edited by: MisterAl tt1 on 21/04/2010 08:29:49
Originally by: Grath Telkin
It seems the russian forums may be working out whats going on, and the consensus is that whatever your doing, can't be recreated on the live server, and that all the other screen shots are fakes (this is from their mouths), and that monkey is indeed working with in the game mechanics.
THIS ia a LIE. There is no such idea at eve-ru at present.
Damage Control failed.
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Certero
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Posted - 2010.04.21 08:31:00 -
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Originally by: baltec1
Yea hypothetical talk talk.
read ps in my last post please. i wrote it after you answer.
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Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2010.04.21 08:35:00 -
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Originally by: Boomershoot
Originally by: Jana Solaris It is allready proven. Thread over.
Guess CCP Will remove local then
OH JOY :3
We can only wish. I doubt they will go that far though.
Also kudos to PL for figureing out a massive bug and being kind enough to gather copius data to make a comprehensive steps to reproduce list. Moar alliances should be this helpful in the QA process.
Originally by: CCP Zymurgist Get off the forums and go kill someone!
Originally by: Amarr Supremacist Yeah, it(Jaguar) almost has cruiser level tank and gank!
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Vicomte de'Bragelonne
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Posted - 2010.04.21 08:37:00 -
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Originally by: Zeba
Also kudos to PL for abusing a massive bug
Fixed for you.
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baltec1
Antares Shipyards Aeternus.
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Posted - 2010.04.21 08:40:00 -
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Originally by: Certero
Originally by: baltec1
Yea hypothetical talk talk.
read ps in my last post please. i wrote it after you answer.
Well as someone who went to the dronelands to shoot some game I can safely say the russians dont take much care. I have a little spot at a gate I like to camp (gave up hunting them as everyone seems to use a macro). The amount of ships that continue to pass through after I just killed something is amazing.
The best haul was something like a hauler and three drakes and a flight of guards from a carrier in 5 minutes on the same gate. I am willing to bet that a combination or gate camping, bubbles and good probing are all that is going on here. If I had the money to blow I would be taking solo BS around there all the time or a blocade runner full of bubbles and a pigrim team.
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Certero
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Posted - 2010.04.21 08:42:00 -
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Edited by: Certero on 21/04/2010 08:45:33
Originally by: baltec1 If I had the money to blow I would be taking solo BS around there all the time or a blocade runner full of bubbles and a pigrim team.
You're right. But now we know how not to show ourself in local and anyone can make any tricks he likes.
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Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2010.04.21 08:43:00 -
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Originally by: Vicomte de'Bragelonne
Originally by: Zeba
Also kudos to PL for abusing a massive bug
Fixed for you.
Not really. Abusing it would have meant totally ingnoring this thread and going on to kill thousands moar. You obviously have no idea how the QA process works for game mechanic exploits in eve. Just like bacon this will be quietly coded out of the game.
Originally by: CCP Zymurgist Get off the forums and go kill someone!
Originally by: Amarr Supremacist Yeah, it(Jaguar) almost has cruiser level tank and gank!
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Vicomte de'Bragelonne
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Posted - 2010.04.21 08:49:00 -
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Originally by: Zeba
Originally by: Vicomte de'Bragelonne
Originally by: Zeba
Also kudos to PL for abusing a massive bug
Fixed for you.
Not really. Abusing it would have meant totally ingnoring this thread and going on to kill thousands moar. You obviously have no idea how the QA process works for game mechanic exploits in eve. Just like bacon this will be quietly coded out of the game.
totally ingnoring this thread and going on to kill thousands moar.
Obviously i have no idea of what is bug abuse. Sorry.
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Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2010.04.21 08:51:00 -
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Originally by: Vicomte de'Bragelonne
Originally by: Zeba
Originally by: Vicomte de'Bragelonne
Originally by: Zeba
Also kudos to PL for abusing a massive bug
Fixed for you.
Not really. Abusing it would have meant totally ingnoring this thread and going on to kill thousands moar. You obviously have no idea how the QA process works for game mechanic exploits in eve. Just like bacon this will be quietly coded out of the game.
totally ingnoring this thread and going on to kill thousands moar.
Obviously i have no idea of what is bug abuse. Sorry.
Don't blame PL if CCP is too slow to fix obvious gameplay exploit issues that PL was kind enough to figure out and 'report' on.
Originally by: CCP Zymurgist Get off the forums and go kill someone!
Originally by: Amarr Supremacist Yeah, it(Jaguar) almost has cruiser level tank and gank!
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baltec1
Antares Shipyards Aeternus.
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Posted - 2010.04.21 08:52:00 -
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Originally by: Vicomte de'Bragelonne
Obviously i have no idea of what is bug abuse. Sorry.
The russians and many others have been abusing macros for years, lets get that sorted first as there is already a counter to the monkey man.
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Ranka Mei
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.04.21 09:09:00 -
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Originally by: ewwlooki hey monkey,
you dont know me well, but i know where you learned your trade, in fact just this evening I was able to boot up my old comp and dl the screenshots from MIRC in the #Hax0r channel on the server I wont name, the conversations between yourself, the australian and the russian are awesome. the night you guys got 42 arby cruise launchers when they were still expenensive was nice. maybe we should talk about a price in game sent to my other account, since when I send the shots to ccp, Im pretty sure Im banned too.
I say: do it. Nail his a** the wall.
To all the naysayers, the above is proof. At least as good as it's going to get in a thread: a first-hand witness having seen Monkey on a hacking channel learning his trade. What more do you want? Forensic evidence? No other player can provide that, as only CCP itself can examine their server traffic.
Originally by: Grath Telkin
It seems the russian forums may be working out whats going on, and the consensus is that whatever your doing, can't be recreated on the live server, and that all the other screen shots are fakes (this is from their mouths), and that monkey is indeed working with in the game mechanics.
They haven't yet figured out how he's doing it, yet they can tell for sure he's working within the game mechanics, this is what you're saying, right?
Either way you slice it, people, finding ways to not show up in local (whereas you should) is an exploit. I know there's a lot of folks on this thread who think it's kinda cool. But it isn't. It breaks the game; and yes, eventually even for you.
Originally by: Jana Solaris He's using a packet sniffer to single out the chatserver. How exactly he does it isn't clear but afaik it is similair to when you have severe lag and your chat windows don't load.
And even that is expressly verboten by the EVE Online TERMS OF SERVICE,
"21.You will not attempt to decipher, hack into or interfere with any transmissions to or from the EVE Online servers,"
As is:
"23.You may not exploit any bug in EVE Online to gain an unfair advantage over other players."
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MisterAl tt1
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Posted - 2010.04.21 09:33:00 -
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Originally by: Ranka Mei
Originally by: Grath Telkin
It seems the russian forums may be working out whats going on, and the consensus is that whatever your doing, can't be recreated on the live server, and that all the other screen shots are fakes (this is from their mouths), and that monkey is indeed working with in the game mechanics.
They haven't yet figured out how he's doing it, yet they can tell for sure he's working within the game mechanics, this is what you're saying, right?
Don't pay attention. He is lying to protect his co-corp and, mb, his own ..s. THe idea on eve-ru is the same as it was - there is a bug and the accused uses it.
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Ranka Mei
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.04.21 09:41:00 -
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Originally by: MisterAl tt1
Don't pay attention. He is lying to protect his co-corp and, mb, his own ..s. THe idea on eve-ru is the same as it was - there is a bug and the accused uses it.
Well, I don't speak Russian. :) So keep us posted. -- Gorgeous, delicious, deculture! |
MisterAl tt1
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Posted - 2010.04.21 09:59:00 -
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At present the idea is: will CCP fix the bug, as it was reported, or should it go public for CCP to start working?
I suppose monkey will not be banned even if the bug proved to be - looks like it is not logged, who was present in the channel, thus there will be no evidences against him.
Someone thinks that he was able to even create "fleet channel" with his victims, making the client think he is in fleet with them - to warp to. But I think he scanned them down.
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chrisss0r
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Posted - 2010.04.21 10:03:00 -
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Originally by: MisterAl tt1
Someone thinks that he was able to even create "fleet channel" with his victims, making the client think he is in fleet with them - to warp to. But I think he scanned them down.
yeah i think thats a bit paranoid. why would he risk a hac like this if he can't be seen in local and has all the time in the world anyways.
well i really wonder if ccp will comment on this
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Mr Kidd
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Posted - 2010.04.21 10:15:00 -
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Originally by: Grath Telkin
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Hacking or exploit is doesn't matter. It needs to be stopped one way or the other by CCP.
And if its neither of those?
Oh I'm pretty sure not showing up in local in normal space until one desires it is at best an exploit. There's a simple test for an exploit: Is it an intended game feature? I don't have to be a dev to answer that.
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Bobbechk
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.04.21 10:33:00 -
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You people are looking in the wrong direction, this all started the day i made Monkey new sig that just happened to be so awesome that in fact it removed him from local and made him be able to warp to random ppl in space!
For these very awsome sigs i do charge a bit extra but i tell you ppl its worth it... ________
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Certero
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Posted - 2010.04.21 10:46:00 -
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Originally by: Bobbechk You people are looking in the wrong direction,
Is it a joke? Nevertheless, guys on eve-ru searching in different directions now: delaying appearing in local (sniffer), warp to any object to 0 (python injections) an so on (fleet invite without victims decision and many other tricks that ccp decided to leave on client side). Somebody need to test all this things to check what is possible. Thanks to Monkey now we know that there is a lot to hack here... but i want to have good old eve...
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Ellatan Deruimte
Surreal corp Stain Empire
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Posted - 2010.04.21 10:47:00 -
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Edited by: Ellatan Deruimte on 21/04/2010 10:48:07 The exploit does exist, I was very skeptical of it at first, but there is a proof now, it can be recreated. CCP should at least acknowledge it and try to work out a solution as well as punish the abusers.
Can we please get some CCP response in this topic with assurance, that they are looking into this issue.
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MatrixSkye Mk2
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.04.21 10:51:00 -
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Originally by: Zeba Don't blame PL if CCP is too slow to fix obvious gameplay exploit issues that PL was kind enough to figure out and 'report' on.
Oh yeah. It's true. Pandemic Legion has been very forthcoming and honest in this thread. No attempt at derailing or covering their tracks. They've been totally forthcoming. Kudos to PL for bringing this to CCP's attention and all. I mean, isn't it obvious?
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Davader
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Posted - 2010.04.21 10:54:00 -
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Where are all those men, who were saying somehting about "login trap", "perfect scanning skills", ect? LOL. The exploit surely exists, now there are proofs. Now let's see, how long it will take CCP to perform all appropriate actions...
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar Vahrokh Consulting
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Posted - 2010.04.21 11:02:00 -
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Now let's see, how long it will take CCP to perform all appropriate actions
Probably a timeframe comparable to how long they took to remove all the macros and RMTers off the game. - Auditing & consulting
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Caine Dreamwalker
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2010.04.21 11:08:00 -
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Edited by: Caine Dreamwalker on 21/04/2010 11:09:44 It would be kinda fun if CCP is implementing logging mechanic for this exploit right now and will ban anybody trying to reproduce it. Though I'm pretty sure that banhammer threat will be the first step CCP takes - social solution is always easier to implement than software solution.
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Vincent Gaines
Macabre Votum
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Posted - 2010.04.21 11:10:00 -
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Why are all these Russian "ratters" not shoing any corp/alliance ticker? I'm at work so can't tell but are they all in NPC corps?
I just find it odd and that they all seem like the same person...
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Ellatan Deruimte
Surreal corp Stain Empire
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Posted - 2010.04.21 11:12:00 -
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Originally by: Vincent Gaines Why are all these Russian "ratters" not shoing any corp/alliance ticker? I'm at work so can't tell but are they all in NPC corps?
I just find it odd and that they all seem like the same person...
Because they generally don't post on EVE-O and don't know English well to figure out the interface quickly.
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Certero
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Posted - 2010.04.21 11:16:00 -
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Originally by: Vincent Gaines
I just find it odd and that they all seem like the same person...
You can ask Monkey how many russians are discussing this theme on eve-ru (there are players from many corps and alliances). But we are sorry, too few of us can post here with "not very bad" english. So, ccp will get petitions from each victim but here you can read only 3-5 of us.
PS: or you can register at eve-ru and find all ingame names and corp tickers you are interested in.
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Lubomir Penev
interimo
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Posted - 2010.04.21 11:19:00 -
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Originally by: Mr Kidd
Originally by: Grath Telkin
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Hacking or exploit is doesn't matter. It needs to be stopped one way or the other by CCP.
And if its neither of those?
Oh I'm pretty sure not showing up in local in normal space until one desires it is at best an exploit.
If you ever logged off you are guilty of exploiting too then. He login trap them and use the ******ed mechanics permitting to travel while offline, you know the one that has been abused by freighters pilots in hostile space since theirs inceptions.
The problem is login/logout mechanics being ******ed. Usually they benefit the one not wanting to fight, it's pretty nice to see a change of scenery.
And if the ratting macro wasn't reliably always jumping to the same safe as soon as someone enter local he would not catch them... -- 081014 : emoragequit, char transfered to a friend, 090317 : back to original owner blog |
Silent Wispa
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Posted - 2010.04.21 11:25:00 -
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Originally by: Certero
Originally by: Bobbechk You people are looking in the wrong direction,
Is it a joke? Nevertheless, guys on eve-ru searching in different directions now: delaying appearing in local (sniffer), warp to any object to 0 (python injections) an so on (fleet invite without victims decision and many other tricks that ccp decided to leave on client side). Somebody need to test all this things to check what is possible. Thanks to Monkey now we know that there is a lot to hack here... but i want to have good old eve...
Let me get this straight...
In approximately 2 or 3 days a bunch of Russians scratching their heads as to why their Macro Program is failing to save them from a notorious pirate have managed to knock up working programs that produce the effect by blocking iTraffic to the Eve Chatserver as well as various python injections for warpins and fleet tricks on the assumption that this must be what he's doing?
Cripes, ban the Russians, they seem to be much more prolific hackers.
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Ellatan Deruimte
Surreal corp Stain Empire
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Posted - 2010.04.21 11:28:00 -
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Edited by: Ellatan Deruimte on 21/04/2010 11:35:36
Originally by: Lubomir Penev
If you ever logged off you are guilty of exploiting too then. He login trap them and use the ******ed mechanics permitting to travel while offline, you know the one that has been abused by freighters pilots in hostile space since theirs inceptions.
The problem is login/logout mechanics being ******ed. Usually they benefit the one not wanting to fight, it's pretty nice to see a change of scenery.
And if the ratting macro wasn't reliably always jumping to the same safe as soon as someone enter local he would not catch them...
Have you seen the videos and screenshots? There is nothing wrong with login traps, CCP doesn't consider it an exploit and nobody is complaining about them. Monkeysphere doesn't appear in local while he looks for people in an arazu, that's an exploit. It was recreated on a test server with proof presented.
We would like CCP to fix this bug and punish the people, who were abusing it. Unfortunately, it doesn't look like GMs can pick up on anything in their logs, which makes this exploit potentially very dangerous.
Originally by: Silent Wispa
Let me get this straight...
In approximately 2 or 3 days a bunch of Russians scratching their heads as to why their Macro Program is failing to save them from a notorious pirate have managed to knock up working programs that produce the effect by blocking iTraffic to the Eve Chatserver as well as various python injections for warpins and fleet tricks on the assumption that this must be what he's doing?
Cripes, ban the Russians, they seem to be much more prolific hackers.
The only reason this bug was relatively unnoticed for such a long time is because Monkeysphere was indeed targeting the macrobots, who don't write petitions, don't complain and just buy a new ship and continue on. However, recently he made a mistake of killing actual players, who actually play their accounts while ratting. That was his biggest mistake and downfall.
It only took 50 pages of a threadnought on EVE-RU forums to figure out the bug and recreate an exploit. Nobody believed them at first, but it proved to be real. We all hate macro bots and they should be banned, but so should be the exploiters. Let GMs deal with macro bots, killing them and regular players by the use of an exploit doesn't make you a hero.
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Certero
Hades and Charon funeral parlour
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Posted - 2010.04.21 11:29:00 -
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Edited by: Certero on 21/04/2010 11:30:23
Originally by: Silent Wispa Cripes, ban the Russians, they seem to be much more prolific hackers.
It's not funny to answer same thing in 100th time. You may think that we defend our bots. And only ccp knows truth. You may think anything you like - no more comments on "bots" topic from me...
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Davader
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Posted - 2010.04.21 11:30:00 -
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You don't undersatnd... If Monkey would kill only bots - nobody would complain, lol. But he begun to use his cheat against live players, who were just ratting in the area. That's the difference.
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Ded MATAP
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Posted - 2010.04.21 11:33:00 -
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Originally by: Silent Wispa
Originally by: Certero
Originally by: Bobbechk You people are looking in the wrong direction,
Is it a joke? Nevertheless, guys on eve-ru searching in different directions now: delaying appearing in local (sniffer), warp to any object to 0 (python injections) an so on (fleet invite without victims decision and many other tricks that ccp decided to leave on client side). Somebody need to test all this things to check what is possible. Thanks to Monkey now we know that there is a lot to hack here... but i want to have good old eve...
Let me get this straight...
In approximately 2 or 3 days a bunch of Russians scratching their heads as to why their Macro Program is failing to save them from a notorious pirate have managed to knock up working programs that produce the effect by blocking iTraffic to the Eve Chatserver as well as various python injections for warpins and fleet tricks on the assumption that this must be what he's doing?
Cripes, ban the Russians, they seem to be much more prolific hackers.
Okay. Its 2-3 days, right. But can you tell me why russians dont start this mindstorm earlier?
Morever. There is legal bugreport sended. Any queston?
I wonder if Pandemics send bugreport when they found this exploit...
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Certero
Hades and Charon funeral parlour
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Posted - 2010.04.21 11:34:00 -
[507]
Originally by: Davader You don't undersatnd... If Monkey would kill only bots - nobody would complain, lol. But he begun to use his cheat against live players, who were just ratting in the area. That's the difference.
They just want to post and don't want to think... Number of people explained bots/not-bots situation on each page, but there are people who think they are very clever to post "bots-jokes" again and again... and theye will be here always.
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Vincent Gaines
Macabre Votum
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Posted - 2010.04.21 11:35:00 -
[508]
Originally by: Certero
Originally by: Vincent Gaines
I just find it odd and that they all seem like the same person...
You can ask Monkey how many russians are discussing this theme on eve-ru (there are players from many corps and alliances). But we are sorry, too few of us can post here with "not very bad" english. So, ccp will get petitions from each victim but here you can read only 3-5 of us.
PS: or you can register at eve-ru and find all ingame names and corp tickers you are interested in.
спасибо
Nah, but putting *something* there makes you all seem less like alts or farmers.
and I'm trying to learn Russian but nowhere enar able to read anything yet.
EDIT: FFFFFUUUUU CCP I'm tired of logging in 23 times just to post!
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Ranka Mei
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.04.21 11:35:00 -
[509]
Originally by: Certero Is it a joke? Nevertheless, guys on eve-ru searching in different directions now: delaying appearing in local (sniffer), warp to any object to 0 (python injections) an so on (fleet invite without victims decision and many other tricks that ccp decided to leave on client side).
This is exactly the sort of thing I suspected a few pages back.
Client-server uses UDP to transmit packets. It's in the nature of UDP (as broadcasting protocol) that packets aren't waited for, and then time out after a long wait, but that if the server misses one of your packets (or vice versa), it just picks up on the next one. So, say I transmit position X.1, X.2, X.3, the server could well receive only packets 1 and 3. The ingame-effect would be negligible, and at best appear as lag ('jittery' gameplay). Unless... someone were to fake such packets, and transport himself forward, at any desired location, and transmits, say, X.1, (don't send), X.20 or so. A bit more complex to implement, of course; but you get the gist.
Is there a defense against such hacks? Sure, it would be relatively easy to inspect each packet against the previous one received from you, and see whether things add up, position-wise and such. Some margin of error actually would need to be allowed, as people sometimes really *do* genuinely lag; but magical transports half across the system should be noticed easily. That is, if you wanted to track such. Because that's not why you used UDP, of course. Inspecting such streams, for all players, would require imposible loads on your database server (as all previous and current locations would need to be stored); and I'm sure bandwidth would suffer greatly too. But for individual users, I'm sure it can be traced pretty easily. And I hope CCP do. -- Gorgeous, delicious, deculture! |
Corbeau Lenoir
ZER0. IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.04.21 11:41:00 -
[510]
Originally by: Lubomir Penev
If you ever logged off you are guilty of exploiting too then. He login trap them and use the ******ed mechanics permitting to travel while offline, you know the one that has been abused by freighters pilots in hostile space since theirs inceptions.
The problem is login/logout mechanics being ******ed. Usually they benefit the one not wanting to fight, it's pretty nice to see a change of scenery.
And if the ratting macro wasn't reliably always jumping to the same safe as soon as someone enter local he would not catch them...
Stop trying to derail this thread and justify this exploiter. Just look at his killboard and the kills' timeframe . It's normal to catch one raven in hour or so, but in this case obviously something fishy is going on. And there are proofs that bug exits, which allows to not show up in the local. The case is clear for me and I'm just waiting for CCP's response now.
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Certero
Hades and Charon funeral parlour
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Posted - 2010.04.21 11:41:00 -
[511]
Originally by: Vincent Gaines
EDIT: FFFFFUUUUU CCP I'm tired of logging in 23 times just to post!
One more comic star?
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zenthral staichon
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.04.21 11:43:00 -
[512]
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Swarog Hjellstadt
Caldari A-Priori Red Alliance
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Posted - 2010.04.21 11:44:00 -
[513]
Originally by: Silent Wispa
Let me get this straight...
In approximately 2 or 3 days a bunch of Russians scratching their heads as to why their Macro Program is failing to save them from a notorious pirate have managed to knock up working programs that produce the effect by blocking iTraffic to the Eve Chatserver as well as various python injections for warpins and fleet tricks on the assumption that this must be what he's doing?
Cripes, ban the Russians, they seem to be much more prolific hackers.
It's a stupid point of view - calling all russian players bots and hackers. If I will follow this, I can claim to ban all PL mambers only because some members of PL at least used bag (or even more?). By the way, I can suppose that all this "damage controll" from PL members in this tread is not only because they concerning about reputation of their corpmate...
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Lubomir Penev
interimo
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Posted - 2010.04.21 11:46:00 -
[514]
Originally by: Ellatan Deruimte
Have you seen the videos and screenshots? There is nothing wrong with login traps, CCP doesn't consider it an exploit and nobody is complaining about them. Monkeysphere doesn't appear in local while he looks for people in an arazu, that's an exploit. It was recreated on a test server with proof presented.
Pretty sure he probbed them long before (days before), so he's not searching for them.
The fact that another way to exploit the way the node and the irc server are not the same machine and that you can divert packet to one and not the other doesn't mean he's using it...
Originally by: Ellatan Deruimte
Let GMs deal with macro bots, killing them and regular players by the use of an exploit doesn't make you a hero.
CCP doesn't do much, by the look of it some intern goes through the petitions every 6 months and ban a few of the most reported macros so they can say they did something. Macros are everywhere, macroing in empire (missions and mining), doing courier mission in low, ratting in 0.0... CCP does nothing substantial against them, they want the income too much.
-- 081014 : emoragequit, char transfered to a friend, 090317 : back to original owner blog |
Ranka Mei
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.04.21 11:47:00 -
[515]
Originally by: Ellatan Deruimte It only took 50 pages of a threadnought on EVE-RU forums to figure out the bug and recreate an exploit. Nobody believed them at first, but it proved to be real. We all hate macro bots and they should be banned, but so should be the exploiters. Let GMs deal with macro bots, killing them and regular players by the use of an exploit doesn't make you a hero.
^^ This. And nothing mobilizes a bunch of hackers as much as another hacker cutting into their pockets, and ego. :) -- Gorgeous, delicious, deculture! |
Huhuhuhuhuhuh
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Posted - 2010.04.21 11:50:00 -
[516]
Originally by: Ranka Mei
^^ This. And nothing mobilizes a bunch of hackers as much as another hacker cutting into their pockets, and ego. :)
Cut the pocket part ~ Only ego. I was asked for release of the exploit, but thanks no thanks. :)
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Karnitha
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Posted - 2010.04.21 12:03:00 -
[517]
Edited by: Karnitha on 21/04/2010 12:05:48 I, for one, cannot wait for all the bugs/exploits that the Russians have dug up to be fixed, only to have The Scope of Monkeys continue on his ravenous Raven rampages.
Edit: Never stop believing (that The Monkeyshephere is exploiting)! |
Huhuhuhuhuhuh
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Posted - 2010.04.21 12:12:00 -
[518]
Originally by: Karnitha Edited by: Karnitha on 21/04/2010 12:05:48 I, for one, cannot wait for all the bugs/exploits that the Russians have dug up to be fixed, only to have The Scope of Monkeys continue on his ravenous Raven rampages.
Edit: Never stop believing (that The Monkeyshephere is exploiting)!
In fact that's a win win situation. Less cheaters both sides of the fence.
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Zelda Wei
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Posted - 2010.04.21 12:12:00 -
[519]
Um tasty, lots of Macro Alts for my location agent.
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Lady Karma
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Posted - 2010.04.21 12:23:00 -
[520]
I like how huhuhu admits to manipulating the EVE client and then posts a screen shot and avi incriminating himself.
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Huhuhuhuhuhuh
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Posted - 2010.04.21 12:36:00 -
[521]
Originally by: Lady Karma I like how huhuhu admits to manipulating the EVE client and then posts a screen shot and avi incriminating himself.
It is absolutely legal to discover exploit on test server and submit it to developers without disclosing details to the public. bye.
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Danks
Caldari Fat Angry Toe Tappin Inbreds
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Posted - 2010.04.21 12:48:00 -
[522]
Hello, voice of reason chiming in.
I find it hard to believe anyone would take any evidence offered in this mess as 'Proof'. I'd like to calmly point out this is the internet because it seems that people have forgotten. You can prove anything you like. From the point of view of a neutral observer who couldn't care less about either side, the only proof I would accept as definative is from CCP. This thread is nothing more than 18 pages of ammusing blather. It never ceases to amaze me how butthurt some people get over a damn video game.
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MisterAl tt1
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Posted - 2010.04.21 12:58:00 -
[523]
Edited by: MisterAl tt1 on 21/04/2010 12:59:42
Originally by: Danks Hello, voice of reason chiming in.
I find it hard to believe anyone would take any evidence offered in this mess as 'Proof'. I'd like to calmly point out this is the internet because it seems that people have forgotten. You can prove anything you like. From the point of view of a neutral observer who couldn't care less about either side, the only proof I would accept as definative is from CCP. This thread is nothing more than 18 pages of ammusing blather. It never ceases to amaze me how butthurt some people get over a damn video game
Well, do you think original fraps video is so easy to remaster in the way it ouwld remain all the original "signatures"? I won't prove it is impossible, but it surely costs more anyone here would spare.
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Danks
Caldari Fat Angry Toe Tappin Inbreds
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Posted - 2010.04.21 13:04:00 -
[524]
Originally by: MisterAl tt1 Edited by: MisterAl tt1 on 21/04/2010 12:59:42
Originally by: Danks Hello, voice of reason chiming in.
I find it hard to believe anyone would take any evidence offered in this mess as 'Proof'. I'd like to calmly point out this is the internet because it seems that people have forgotten. You can prove anything you like. From the point of view of a neutral observer who couldn't care less about either side, the only proof I would accept as definative is from CCP. This thread is nothing more than 18 pages of ammusing blather. It never ceases to amaze me how butthurt some people get over a damn video game
Well, do you think original fraps video is so easy to remaster in the way it ouwld remain all the original "signatures"? I won't prove it is impossible, but it surely costs more anyone here would spare.
Fair enough point, but still I will accept no proof unless it's a direct statement from CCP. I say that as a neutral observer who really doesn't care who wins the thread.
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Nareg Maxence
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2010.04.21 13:09:00 -
[525]
Originally by: Danks Hello, voice of reason chiming in.
I find it hard to believe anyone would take any evidence offered in this mess as 'Proof'. I'd like to calmly point out this is the internet because it seems that people have forgotten. You can prove anything you like. From the point of view of a neutral observer who couldn't care less about either side, the only proof I would accept as definative is from CCP. This thread is nothing more than 18 pages of ammusing blather. It never ceases to amaze me how butthurt some people get over a damn video game.
Your point?
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Pwnage Star
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Posted - 2010.04.21 13:18:00 -
[526]
TL. DR.
Some random dude killed **** ton of people.
They got butt hurt!
Now they are crying!
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MisterAl tt1
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Posted - 2010.04.21 13:28:00 -
[527]
He killed TOO many for it to be OK. Look at the KB.
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Ivana Drake
Caldari Omerta Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.04.21 13:35:00 -
[528]
Edited by: Ivana Drake on 21/04/2010 13:34:58
Originally by: MisterAl tt1 Edited by: MisterAl tt1 on 21/04/2010 12:59:42
Originally by: Danks Hello, voice of reason chiming in.
I find it hard to believe anyone would take any evidence offered in this mess as 'Proof'. I'd like to calmly point out this is the internet because it seems that people have forgotten. You can prove anything you like. From the point of view of a neutral observer who couldn't care less about either side, the only proof I would accept as definative is from CCP. This thread is nothing more than 18 pages of ammusing blather. It never ceases to amaze me how butthurt some people get over a damn video game
Well, do you think original fraps video is so easy to remaster in the way it ouwld remain all the original "signatures"? I won't prove it is impossible, but it surely costs more anyone here would spare.
Hello, I can do that too:
http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1004/localvanish.wmv
(since so many people seem to have missed it) (PS: you can 'remaster' raw fraps footage by frapsing direct from Windows Media Player)
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Zelda Wei
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Posted - 2010.04.21 13:37:00 -
[529]
Originally by: Pwnage Star TL. DR.
Some random dude killed **** ton of bots.
They got butt hurt!
Now they are crying because they cannot feed their children.
Fixed it for you.
Think of the Children.
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Huhuhuhuhuhuh
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Posted - 2010.04.21 14:01:00 -
[530]
Edited by: Huhuhuhuhuhuh on 21/04/2010 14:00:52
Originally by: Ivana Drake
Hello, I can do that too:
'Proof'
What Really Happened
(since so many people seem to have missed it) (PS: you can 'remaster' raw fraps footage by frapsing direct from Windows Media Player)
fun fun fun. guys like you literally need to put their fingers into Christ wounds. well, given publicity it gets, cat will be out of the bag in a couple of days and then we can discuss this matter again.
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Ivana Drake
Caldari Omerta Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.04.21 14:17:00 -
[531]
Edited by: Ivana Drake on 21/04/2010 14:17:54
Quote:
Originally by: Ivana Drake
Hello, I can do that too:
'Proof'
What Really Happened
(since so many people seem to have missed it) (PS: you can 'remaster' raw fraps footage by frapsing direct from Windows Media Player)
fun fun fun. guys like you literally need to put their fingers into Christ wounds. well, given publicity it gets, cat will be out of the bag in a couple of days and then we can discuss this matter again.
I'm not saying the video is fake, just that it can be reproduced easily
I just saw the 'Imlikeamonkey' vid too, which is a lot more convincing but could still easily be faked with the most basic of video editing tools.
I will believe it if you can make a 3rd video where you do the following: 1) Set window transparency to Full (so you can see straight through at the BG) and have Local open 2) Have the 'invisible pilot warp in, lock you up and begin attacking you all without appearing in local Can you do that?
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WormSwarm
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Posted - 2010.04.21 14:20:00 -
[532]
I hope one day CCP will get rid of these Macro killing tyrants. How can we allow these virtual killers to kill our friendly macros. Down with the tyrants I say!
The fact that this "MonkeySphere" likes to use 3 clients to play Eve, clearly shows he is heavily illusioned to believe Eve is a great game. Good sir, how is this game worthy of 3 accounts?
Also WTS screenshots + chat logs of proof that this person indeed is dirty. Dirty he is! Dirty dirty
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Huhuhuhuhuhuh
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Posted - 2010.04.21 14:23:00 -
[533]
Originally by: Ivana Drake
I will believe it if you can make a 3rd video where you do the following: 1) Set window transparency to Full (so you can see straight through at the BG) and have Local open 2) Have the 'invisible pilot warp in, lock you up and begin attacking you all without appearing in local Can you do that?
Oh, Foma, Foma, I hope CCP will forgive my transgression and allow me to abuse SISI once more this evening. You will see how CONCORD deals with those local abusing ninjas.
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Ded MATAP
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Posted - 2010.04.21 14:32:00 -
[534]
Edited by: Ded MATAP on 21/04/2010 14:32:44
Originally by: Huhuhuhuhuhuh
Originally by: Ivana Drake
I will believe it if you can make a 3rd video where you do the following: 1) Set window transparency to Full (so you can see straight through at the BG) and have Local open 2) Have the 'invisible pilot warp in, lock you up and begin attacking you all without appearing in local Can you do that?
Oh, Foma, Foma, I hope CCP will forgive my transgression and allow me to abuse SISI once more this evening. You will see how CONCORD deals with those local abusing ninjas.
What? You mean that No Local Ninja immune to CONCORD as well?
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ewwlooki
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Posted - 2010.04.21 14:37:00 -
[535]
So after Receiving no word from monkeysphere, let me open it up to the ladies and gentlemen in this thread, including all the russians who would love this stuff.
I was present when the originator(s) of this exploit put the plan into motion. I was in the MIRC channel where plans were discussed and kills and techniques were discussed, and have several damning screenshots which Ive been informed CCP will not consider because they are out of game. I also have several game chat logs with parties involved discussing the methods used to kill "farmers and macroers".
I must admit however that monkeysphere was not present in any of the in game chat logs as he was only begining to get in close with the parties involved as I was begining to grow apart form them, ( for obvious reasons as the screenshots make aparent). He was however present in the MIRC channels interacting in conversations with the parties involved.
Seeing as I have a bad feeling I will need the isk to buy a new account soon, Ill be taking bids in this thread to release this information.
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Thatkidnamedrocky
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.04.21 14:59:00 -
[536]
i think people are missing the fact that he is also killing regular players not just "macro" users
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Tippia
Reikoku IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.04.21 15:03:00 -
[537]
Originally by: Thatkidnamedrocky i think people are missing the fact that he is also killing regular players not just "macro" users
No, they're just not caring much about it in the face of the "onoz, my macro got fooled!!" whines… ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki |
Cambarus
The Compass Reloaded
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Posted - 2010.04.21 15:03:00 -
[538]
Originally by: Huhuhuhuhuhuh Edited by: Huhuhuhuhuhuh on 21/04/2010 14:00:52
Originally by: Ivana Drake
Hello, I can do that too:
'Proof'
What Really Happened
(since so many people seem to have missed it) (PS: you can 'remaster' raw fraps footage by frapsing direct from Windows Media Player)
fun fun fun. guys like you literally need to put their fingers into Christ wounds. well, given publicity it gets, cat will be out of the bag in a couple of days and then we can discuss this matter again.
OK maybe I'm missing something, but hasn't CCP stated that they were nerfing the logoffski warp in such a way that you would finish the warp you were in if you logged off while in warp? Wouldn't that produce the exact effect in those videos? (someone landing on a gate while not being in local) |
Zofran
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Posted - 2010.04.21 15:06:00 -
[539]
Originally by: ewwlooki blarf
Deep Throat, is that you? For too long have Ravens hidden, in fear of the marauding spherical monkey; This then will strike a new era, a time of enlightenment and joyous autonomy throughout the land. Fear of the unseen and of the watchmens thoughs abolished, for today we celebrate VICTORY in the belts.
It's time to blow this **** wide open. Release the ~sekrits~
But seriously, if you guys need some warp core stabs - just hit ori16 up ingame, he knows the truth, the dirty dirty truth of the spherical primate.
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iP0D
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Posted - 2010.04.21 15:09:00 -
[540]
/tr |
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Dianeces
SiN. Corp Daisho Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.04.21 15:10:00 -
[541]
I have uncovered irrefutable proof that The Monkeysphere is a cheater.
Proof!
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ESDEF
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Posted - 2010.04.21 16:00:00 -
[542]
This really exploit... Try to ban!
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Kasade
Extremum Vitae Spiritum Edere
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Posted - 2010.04.21 16:07:00 -
[543]
It would be nice to get a dev responce on this
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Stygian Knight
Blood Covenant Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.04.21 16:09:00 -
[544]
Originally by: ESDEF This really exploit... Try to ban!
Yeah ban him!!!
How can he be so rude and kill our isk farmers :(
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Zelda Wei
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Posted - 2010.04.21 16:13:00 -
[545]
Invisible monkey proof
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128th ABC123
Eve Liberation Force OWN Alliance
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Posted - 2010.04.21 16:17:00 -
[546]
Originally by: Zelda Wei Invisible monkey proof
I lold ;p
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar Vahrokh Consulting
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Posted - 2010.04.21 16:19:00 -
[547]
Quote:
i think people are missing the fact that he is also killing regular players not just "macro" users
They aren't.
Those who enter 0.0 with a Golem, though, know better than go solo rat. When I was in 0.0 I would not budge without knowing corpies (or me if it was the turn) camping the bubbled gates and similar.
If these "regular players" played like 0.0 was a PvP zone and not a solo-cloak zone, they'd not lose ships, even with the exploit in place.
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MatrixSkye Mk2
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.04.21 16:21:00 -
[548]
Originally by: Stygian Knight
Originally by: ESDEF This really exploit... Try to ban!
Yeah ban him!!!
How can he be so rude and kill our isk farmers :(
He's not just killing isk farmers. He's killing regular (at the keyboard) players. But it's really no surprise to see Pandemic Legion in 'damage control' mode.
Grief a PVP'er. Run a mission today! |
Ellatan Deruimte
Surreal corp Stain Empire
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Posted - 2010.04.21 16:21:00 -
[549]
Originally by: Stygian Knight
Originally by: ESDEF This really exploit... Try to ban!
Yeah ban him!!!
How can he be so rude and kill our isk farmers :(
Ban him and the isk farmer bots.
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DigitalCommunist
November Corporation
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Posted - 2010.04.21 16:23:00 -
[550]
CCP should permaban any exploiters, then go ahead and remove local chat anyway.
Its easily the worst mechanic in this entire game.
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Ded MATAP
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Posted - 2010.04.21 16:32:00 -
[551]
Edited by: Ded MATAP on 21/04/2010 16:31:58 This tread is qite long now.
It would be nice to hear some responce from CCP already.
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Creepin
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Posted - 2010.04.21 16:32:00 -
[552]
Edited by: Creepin on 21/04/2010 16:32:37
Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha Those who enter 0.0 with a Golem, though, know better than go solo rat. When I was in 0.0 I would not budge without knowing corpies (or me if it was the turn) camping the bubbled gates and similar.
If these "regular players" played like 0.0 was a PvP zone and not a solo-cloak zone, they'd not lose ships, even with the exploit in place.
You're seriously justifying exploit abusing here or what?
As long as a legit player abide game rules he is in his own right to play as he, not you, see fit. And you saying that it's ok to use cheats against player who don't play like you want him to are pathetic at the very least.
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LTcyberT1000
Caldari Free Space Tech Red Alliance
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Posted - 2010.04.21 16:35:00 -
[553]
Originally by: DigitalCommunist remove local chat anyway.
If you will have w-space like local chat in 0.0.. It will be nightmare to have probe scanning spam on gates while you are in system
P.S> Please stop wasting people and CCP time while posting fakes... Better go play EVE :)
---- T-1000, the old school gamer, started with 80286 machine, 11 years so far for playing games. ******************************************** Skill level: Freelancer Wolf in Moon day :) ****** |
Duuremaar
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Posted - 2010.04.21 16:37:00 -
[554]
We would like to hear an official response from a CCP employee that they are looking into the issue and trying to reproduce the exploit internally. We would like CCP to state that the use of such an exploit, if proven to be real, will result in the permanent ban of the character using it. We would like to do everything we can to prevent the use of this exploit from spreading to maintain the integrity of the game. CCP, please give us the acknowledgment that this issue didn't fall on deaf ears.
If you are also interested in exploit free Eve-online, support our efforts and let your voices be heard!
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ChuckBass
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Posted - 2010.04.21 16:38:00 -
[555]
haven't russians petitioned monkeysphere literally nonstop for 2 years?
you really think that ccp have completely missed something?
Give them a little credit.
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Xenon LX
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Posted - 2010.04.21 16:38:00 -
[556]
We would like to hear an official response from a CPP employee that they are looking into the issue and trying to reproduce the exploit. We would like CCP to state that the use of such an exploit, if proven to be real, will result in the permanent ban of the character using it. We would like to do everything we can to prevent the use of this exploit from spreading to maintain the integrity of the game.
CCP, please give us the acknowledgment that this issue didn't fall on deaf ears. If you are also interested in exploit free Eve-online, support our efforts and let your voices be heard!
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Thatkidnamedrocky
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.04.21 16:38:00 -
[557]
Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha
Quote:
i think people are missing the fact that he is also killing regular players not just "macro" users
They aren't.
Those who enter 0.0 with a Golem, though, know better than go solo rat. When I was in 0.0 I would not budge without knowing corpies (or me if it was the turn) camping the bubbled gates and similar.
If these "regular players" played like 0.0 was a PvP zone and not a solo-cloak zone, they'd not lose ships, even with the exploit in place.
he killed one of may corp mates using the same tactic as the op said. i heard him emo rage in vent
i dont think anyone deserves to have a game that they pay $15 a month for to be filled with hackers
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Zelda Wei
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Posted - 2010.04.21 16:40:00 -
[558]
Edited by: Zelda Wei on 21/04/2010 16:42:28
More monkey sphere bad proof
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HOPTOH
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Posted - 2010.04.21 16:40:00 -
[559]
We would like to hear an official response from a CCP employee that they are looking into the issue and trying to reproduce the exploit internally. We would like CCP to state that the use of such an exploit, if proven to be real, will result in the permanent ban of the character using it. We would like to do everything we can to prevent the use of this exploit from spreading to maintain the integrity of the game. CCP, please give us the acknowledgment that this issue didn't fall on deaf ears.
If you are also interested in exploit free Eve-online, support our efforts and let your voices be heard!
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xo3e
The Deliberate Forces
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Posted - 2010.04.21 16:42:00 -
[560]
I would like to hear CCP developers (not GM or forum moderators) opinion.
Will they stop ignoring this problem and fix no-local exploit as soon as possible? or we should flood entire forum with step-by-step solution to how to make yourself invisible in local chat, so everyone in eve could use this?
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DigitalCommunist
November Corporation
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Posted - 2010.04.21 16:42:00 -
[561]
Originally by: LTcyberT1000
Originally by: DigitalCommunist remove local chat anyway.
If you will have w-space like local chat in 0.0.. It will be nightmare to have probe scanning spam on gates while you are in system
P.S> Please stop wasting people and CCP time while posting fakes... Better go play EVE :)
Having no-local and a weak and frustrating scan system is better than having local in the game by an order of magnitude.
Even with a weak scan system, everyone is on the same playing field and the game is way more fun. Local chat kills the human error aspect of the game and provides instantaneous and flawless intel, which makes it impossible to kill someone who does not want to be killed. OP is probably such a person, and I know that I've never been ganked once while doing PVE. It still amazes me how anyone can even get belt/mission kills.
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species2143
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Posted - 2010.04.21 16:44:00 -
[562]
I love this game because it actually does have a few smart ppl in it, therefore now that the exploit has been revealed it no longer matters whether the few guys that currently know how it's done release it to the public or not. It is bound to come out anyway and therefore CCP will have to react to the massive abuse caused by it. The level of abuse will grow exponentially compared to the time CCP takes to react.
My biggest fear was that the few guys that actually knew about this exploit before it became public, would have been smart and kept a low profile effectively abusing it for years undetected. Therefore all you guys calling out for monkey to be banned should stop and think for just one moment (remember the moon-mining scandal?) and actually be greatful.
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Vuerro
Zero Tolerance Corp SOLAR FLEET
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Posted - 2010.04.21 16:50:00 -
[563]
Quote: We would like to hear an official response from a CCP employee that they are looking into the issue and trying to reproduce the exploit internally. We would like CCP to state that the use of such an exploit, if proven to be real, will result in the permanent ban of the character using it. We would like to do everything we can to prevent the use of this exploit from spreading to maintain the integrity of the game. CCP, please give us the acknowledgment that this issue didn't fall on deaf ears.
If you are also interested in exploit free Eve-online, support our efforts and let your voices be heard!
/signed
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Tag Ibby
Minmatar AUF EX INDUSTRIAL REV0LUTI0N
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Posted - 2010.04.21 16:52:00 -
[564]
Originally by: species2143 I love this game because it actually does have a few smart ppl in it, therefore now that the exploit has been revealed it no longer matters whether the few guys that currently know how it's done release it to the public or not. It is bound to come out anyway and therefore CCP will have to react to the massive abuse caused by it. The level of abuse will grow exponentially compared to the time CCP takes to react.
My biggest fear was that the few guys that actually knew about this exploit before it became public, would have been smart and kept a low profile effectively abusing it for years undetected. Therefore all you guys calling out for monkey to be banned should stop and think for just one moment (remember the moon-mining scandal?) and actually be greatful.
sadly its already been exploited for a couple of years, jsut look at the kb's
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MisterAl tt1
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Posted - 2010.04.21 16:52:00 -
[565]
Edited by: MisterAl tt1 on 21/04/2010 16:52:30 Someone on eve-ru reported the "channel switcher" already fixed on test. Looks like it will be fixed without admiting there is a bug.
Yet, it is not approved.
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keymaker
Xenophon Core
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Posted - 2010.04.21 16:53:00 -
[566]
Theres been alot of bashing in this thread against the russians for using macro's etc.
Well im going to say thank you, you have highlighted a MAJOR exploit which swings the balance extremely
Anyone who condones this guys actions(noticeably PL and an army of alts) no matter if its against macroers or not deserve to be banned , at the end of the day what he is doing is an exploit simple.
You are not clever, you are not smart, you are a dirty cheat.
I hope that CCP gets the problem sorted asap!.
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species2143
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Posted - 2010.04.21 16:53:00 -
[567]
Originally by: xo3e I would like to hear CCP developers (not GM or forum moderators) opinion.
Will they stop ignoring this problem and fix no-local exploit as soon as possible? or we should flood entire forum with step-by-step solution to how to make yourself invisible in local chat, so everyone in eve could use this?
Dude take a chill pill, the issue has just recently been brought out in the open and already you're putting pressure onto CCP? FFS, they need to verify it and if you had any clue about how the client-side application works, you'd know CCP is not a GESTPO that logs everything you do... in fact it's the very opposite.
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Midjutetur
Blood Covenant Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.04.21 16:53:00 -
[568]
We would like to hear an official response from a CCP employee that they are looking into the issue and trying to reproduce the exploit internally. We would like CCP to state that the use of such an exploit, if proven to be real, will result in the permanent ban of the character using it. We would like to do everything we can to prevent the use of this exploit from spreading to maintain the integrity of the game. CCP, please give us the acknowledgment that this issue didn't fall on deaf ears.
If you are also interested in exploit free Eve-online, support our efforts and let your voices be heard!
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MatrixSkye Mk2
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.04.21 16:57:00 -
[569]
Originally by: species2143 My biggest fear was that the few guys that actually knew about this exploit before it became public, would have been smart and kept a low profile effectively abusing it for years undetected. Therefore all you guys calling out for monkey to be banned should stop and think for just one moment (remember the moon-mining scandal?) and actually be greatful.
Pandemic Legion didn't just come out and admitted they were using this exploit. This whole thread has been them misdirecting and derailing from the issue. I'm pretty sure they'd stay quiet for as long as they could, though the temptation of using it on real players would have been too much even for them, as is evident from the OP. And eventually that's what outted the exploit.
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DonBasss
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Posted - 2010.04.21 17:00:00 -
[570]
We would like to hear an official response from a CCP employee that they are looking into the issue and trying to reproduce the exploit internally. We would like CCP to state that the use of such an exploit, if proven to be real, will result in the permanent ban of the character using it. We would like to do everything we can to prevent the use of this exploit from spreading to maintain the integrity of the game. CCP, please give us the acknowledgment that this issue didn't fall on deaf ears.
If you are also interested in exploit free Eve-online, support our efforts and let your voices be heard!
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species2143
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Posted - 2010.04.21 17:04:00 -
[571]
Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2
Originally by: species2143 My biggest fear was that the few guys that actually knew about this exploit before it became public, would have been smart and kept a low profile effectively abusing it for years undetected. Therefore all you guys calling out for monkey to be banned should stop and think for just one moment (remember the moon-mining scandal?) and actually be greatful.
Pandemic Legion didn't just come out and admitted they were using this exploit. This whole thread has been them misdirecting and derailing from the issue. I'm pretty sure they'd stay quiet for as long as they could, though the temptation of using it on real players would have been too much even for them, as is evident from the OP. And eventually that's what outted the exploit.
Now you're doing the very same like the few guys calling all russian players botters... I'm sorry but you cannot reffer to all of PL as being exploiters as it is simply impossible to keep a low profile that way... BTW if you read the text you quoted you might noticed that I'm actually calling the exploiter an idiot in a very implicit way... probably too implicitly for you. Yes, this time I was rather direct because you deserved it. =P
Originally by: Midjutetur We would like to hear an official response from a CCP employee that they are looking into the issue and trying to reproduce the exploit internally. We would like CCP to state that the use of such an exploit, if proven to be real, will result in the permanent ban of the character using it. We would like to do everything we can to prevent the use of this exploit from spreading to maintain the integrity of the game. CCP, please give us the acknowledgment that this issue didn't fall on deaf ears.
If you are also interested in exploit free Eve-online, support our efforts and let your voices be heard!
Wouldn't it be easier to simply ask monkey to explain his "tactic"? After all he and his fanclub all state he's not using exploits... C/D?
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De Chu
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Posted - 2010.04.21 17:06:00 -
[572]
We would like to hear an official response from a CCP employee that they are looking into the issue and trying to reproduce the exploit internally. We would like CCP to state that the use of such an exploit, if proven to be real, will result in the permanent ban of the character using it. We would like to do everything we can to prevent the use of this exploit from spreading to maintain the integrity of the game. CCP, please give us the acknowledgment that this issue didn't fall on deaf ears.
If you are also interested in exploit free Eve-online, support our efforts and let your voices be heard!
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KOPOHA MAPCA
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Posted - 2010.04.21 17:10:00 -
[573]
We would like to hear an official response from a CCP employee that they are looking into the issue and trying to reproduce the exploit internally. We would like CCP to state that the use of such an exploit, if proven to be real, will result in the permanent ban of the character using it. We would like to do everything we can to prevent the use of this exploit from spreading to maintain the integrity of the game. CCP, please give us the acknowledgment that this issue didn't fall on deaf ears.
If you are also interested in exploit free Eve-online, support our efforts and let your voices be heard!
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romek mablung
Caldari OWS Research and Development
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Posted - 2010.04.21 17:12:00 -
[574]
Adding my 5CC (carebear cent,not in use in 0.0 anyway).Ban teh I-Win exploiters!
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XxAngelxX
Amarr North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.04.21 17:13:00 -
[575]
The best thing about this is monkey is really quite bad at pvp --------------------------------------
Dance Puppets, Dance |
Samosa
Grey Shadows
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Posted - 2010.04.21 17:14:00 -
[576]
We would like to hear an official response from a CCP employee that they are looking into the issue and trying to reproduce the exploit internally. We would like CCP to state that the use of such an exploit, if proven to be real, will result in the permanent ban of the character using it. We would like to do everything we can to prevent the use of this exploit from spreading to maintain the integrity of the game. CCP, please give us the acknowledgment that this issue didn't fall on deaf ears.
If you are also interested in exploit free Eve-online, support our efforts and let your voices be heard!
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xo3e
The Deliberate Forces
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Posted - 2010.04.21 17:14:00 -
[577]
Quote: Dude take a chill pill
major problem is not in "no-local" exploit, to be honest.
it is in fundamental EVE client-server algorithm.
Iv (and not only i) discovered (while exploring "no-local" issue) that, in example: someone with average skills at coding and tricks like code-injecting might EASILY warp to anyone in system at zero (even if prey is cloaked), or jump in stargate (or dock) from any position in system (even through 999au), and many other things that might ruin the game if it will be published.
These things are possible because CCP developers decided to not to load too much their server, and shifted some "unsafe" functionality to client.
And to fix that they have to totally rewrite network part of both client and server, and it will take too much time while many people already working on "win button" software for eve.
maim, kill, burn! |
DeadlyDoze
Zero Tolerance Corp SOLAR FLEET
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Posted - 2010.04.21 17:16:00 -
[578]
Quote: We would like to hear an official response from a CCP employee that they are looking into the issue and trying to reproduce the exploit internally. We would like CCP to state that the use of such an exploit, if proven to be real, will result in the permanent ban of the character using it. We would like to do everything we can to prevent the use of this exploit from spreading to maintain the integrity of the game. CCP, please give us the acknowledgment that this issue didn't fall on deaf ears.
If you are also interested in exploit free Eve-online, support our efforts and let your voices be heard!
/signed
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species2143
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Posted - 2010.04.21 17:18:00 -
[579]
Originally by: xo3e
Quote: Dude take a chill pill
major problem is not in "no-local" exploit, to be honest.
it is in fundamental EVE client-server algorithm.
Iv (and not only i) discovered (while exploring "no-local" issue) that, in example: someone with average skills at coding and tricks like code-injecting might EASILY warp to anyone in system at zero (even if prey is cloaked), or jump in stargate (or dock) from any position in system (even through 999au), and many other things that might ruin the game if it will be published.
These things are possible because CCP developers decided to not to load too much their server, and shifted some "unsafe" functionality to client.
And to fix that they have to totally rewrite network part of both client and server, and it will take too much time while many people already working on "win button" software for eve.
I am sad to say this, but that's actually old news. Here's a link (I will not paste the text myself) to an angry botter/exploiter trying to blackmail CCP. The interesting parts you can read for yourself...
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woarus
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Posted - 2010.04.21 17:19:00 -
[580]
We would like to hear an official response from a CCP employee that they are looking into the issue and trying to reproduce the exploit internally. We would like CCP to state that the use of such an exploit, if proven to be real, will result in the permanent ban of the character using it. We would like to do everything we can to prevent the use of this exploit from spreading to maintain the integrity of the game. CCP, please give us the acknowledgment that this issue didn't fall on deaf ears.
If you are also interested in exploit free Eve-online, support our efforts and let your voices be heard!
receiving during 15 days from CCP answers: "We can not find conclusive evidence of any exploit being used from investigation of those sources of information that are available to us and regrettably this means that we have to decline your request for reimbursement" it's not so right
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MAKC MAXHO
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Posted - 2010.04.21 17:22:00 -
[581]
Sorry for my English - all questions to the Google translator.
The bugs, such as described, can lead to death the population of 0.0. Security channels, bubbles on the gates, do not give us anything. User bug will go in and jump directly to your ship. And you, the victim, will die faster than help will appear. Look at the board Monkeysphere. http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=The+Monkeysphere&filter=kills&page=1. Dozens and dozens of expensive ships. Now imagine that this happened to you. More. There was arranged some Russophobe meeting. A Monkey and his henchmen equate Russian players and bot status. And thus justify the use of bugs. As you can guess - it is not. Or with the same success we can call Pandemic Legion cheaters and users of bugs. Or all the English-speaking players. Is not it? We want fair play
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Magenta Shine
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Posted - 2010.04.21 17:23:00 -
[582]
We would like to hear an official response from a CCP employee that they are looking into the issue and trying to reproduce the exploit internally. We would like CCP to state that the use of such an exploit, if proven to be real, will result in the permanent ban of the character using it. We would like to do everything we can to prevent the use of this exploit from spreading to maintain the integrity of the game. CCP, please give us the acknowledgment that this issue didn't fall on deaf ears.
If you are also interested in exploit free Eve-online, support our efforts and let your voices be heard!
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Razin
The xDEATHx Squadron Legion of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2010.04.21 17:24:00 -
[583]
Originally by: DigitalCommunist
Having no-local and a weak and frustrating scan system is better than having local in the game by an order of magnitude.
Even with a weak scan system, everyone is on the same playing field and the game is way more fun. Local chat kills the human error aspect of the game and provides instantaneous and flawless intel, which makes it impossible to kill someone who does not want to be killed. OP is probably such a person, and I know that I've never been ganked once while doing PVE. It still amazes me how anyone can even get belt/mission kills.
Well, baiting works sometimes.
But yes, local needs to be dealt with. CCP Zulupark (Content Director/Associate Producer?) promised delayed local on SISI by the beginning of last year (2009!). It's about time. ...
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Lee Kin
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Posted - 2010.04.21 17:28:00 -
[584]
Originally by: XxAngelxX The best thing about this is monkey is really quite bad at pvp
But really good at exploits? amirite?
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romek mablung
Caldari OWS Research and Development
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Posted - 2010.04.21 17:30:00 -
[585]
Edited by: romek mablung on 21/04/2010 17:34:46 Edited by: romek mablung on 21/04/2010 17:31:15 This is yet another proof http://eve-files.com/dl/220831 ,i havent looked it myself yet btw,just quick linking it.edit-i looked into it,seems legit,its made like 30 min ago (announced gonna be made-made-recoded to mkv,and uploaded).If you that good in videofeed editing (proofdumping),welcome to Hollywood,anytime...(irony wtf!)
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Silent Wispa
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Posted - 2010.04.21 17:32:00 -
[586]
Originally by: Swarog Hjellstadt
Originally by: Silent Wispa
Let me get this straight...
In approximately 2 or 3 days a bunch of Russians scratching their heads as to why their Macro Program is failing to save them from a notorious pirate have managed to knock up working programs that produce the effect by blocking iTraffic to the Eve Chatserver as well as various python injections for warpins and fleet tricks on the assumption that this must be what he's doing?
Cripes, ban the Russians, they seem to be much more prolific hackers.
It's a stupid point of view - calling all russian players bots and hackers. If I will follow this, I can claim to ban all PL mambers only because some members of PL at least used bag (or even more?). By the way, I can suppose that all this "damage controll" from PL members in this tread is not only because they concerning about reputation of their corpmate...
You missed the point, perhaps because of the language barrier.
It took you 2-3 days to decypher the Eve-Online traffic protocols, 2-3 days to work out what byte does what. Identified and removed any encryption that may or may not encrypt the packets. You worked out what address to jump in with python injection, you mapped out the the function table for the Eve Client program to trigger whichever functions you desire...all in 2 or 3 days?
I'm sorry, while its perfectly possible to do, it's quite the feat to achieve at the drop of a hat, but very doable for a group who are already doing a lot of the ground work because they've been writing Bots to achieve desired effects in the game.
This isn't me jumping on the 'lets call russians botters' bandwagon, it's just me being surprised about how casual you've become about it all. Seems rather strange that you're playing the white-knight card when infact you're actually no better.
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crusader1
Minmatar Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.04.21 17:36:00 -
[587]
We would like to hear an official response from a CCP employee that they are looking into the issue and trying to reproduce the exploit internally. We would like CCP to state that the use of such an exploit, if proven to be real, will result in the permanent ban of the character using it. We would like to do everything we can to prevent the use of this exploit from spreading to maintain the integrity of the game. CCP, please give us the acknowledgment that this issue didn't fall on deaf ears.
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Tippia
Reikoku IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.04.21 17:37:00 -
[588]
People can stop repeating that tired paragraph. You have your answer already.
Now, how about banning all those macro users? ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki |
Jeremey
Glittering Dust
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Posted - 2010.04.21 17:37:00 -
[589]
[petition] Remove title of Tournament Champion from Pandemic Legion
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romek mablung
Caldari OWS Research and Development
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Posted - 2010.04.21 17:39:00 -
[590]
http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/fearozen/NoLocalExploit.rar Q.E.D.
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dumpertt
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Posted - 2010.04.21 17:39:00 -
[591]
Edited by: dumpertt on 21/04/2010 17:41:22
Originally by: Silent Wispa
You missed the point, perhaps because of the language barrier.
It took you 2-3 days to decypher the Eve-Online traffic protocols, 2-3 days to work out what byte does what. Identified and removed any encryption that may or may not encrypt the packets. You worked out what address to jump in with python injection, you mapped out the the function table for the Eve Client program to trigger whichever functions you desire...all in 2 or 3 days?
I'm sorry, while its perfectly possible to do, it's quite the feat to achieve at the drop of a hat, but very doable for a group who are already doing a lot of the ground work because they've been writing Bots to achieve desired effects in the game.
This isn't me jumping on the 'lets call russians botters' bandwagon, it's just me being surprised about how casual you've become about it all. Seems rather strange that you're playing the white-knight card when infact you're actually no better.
oh, i see. now the problem is - we reproduced monkey-space-magic TOO FAST.
Originally by: Tippia People can stop repeating that tired paragraph. You have your answer already.
Now, how about banning all those macro users?
1. i don't see the ccp answer. am i blind?
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Ellatan Deruimte
Surreal corp Stain Empire
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Posted - 2010.04.21 17:40:00 -
[592]
Edited by: Ellatan Deruimte on 21/04/2010 17:40:22 Would like to hear an explanation from all the skeptics about this video:
http://eve-files.com/dl/220831
This is not faked.
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Gorbon
H A V O C Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.04.21 17:44:00 -
[593]
Originally by: crusader1 We would like to hear an official response from a CCP employee that they are looking into the issue and trying to reproduce the exploit internally. We would like CCP to state that the use of such an exploit, if proven to be real, will result in the permanent ban of the character using it. We would like to do everything we can to prevent the use of this exploit from spreading to maintain the integrity of the game. CCP, please give us the acknowledgment that this issue didn't fall on deaf ears.
0/ signed
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Tippia
Reikoku IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.04.21 17:44:00 -
[594]
Originally by: dumpertt
Originally by: Tippia People can stop repeating that tired paragraph. You have your answer already.
Now, how about banning all those macro users?
1. i don't see the ccp answer. am i blind?
He's apparently been kicked out already – that's as clear an answer as you'll ever going to get, seeing as how they don't discuss bugs or exploits openly. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki |
lookatzebirdie
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Posted - 2010.04.21 17:44:00 -
[595]
Originally by: Midjutetur You f00ls should also stop hating on russians just cause they rmt more money than you do. Since Chinese are gone it's pretty clear - Russia #1.
First off I dunno who is exploiting or not, but considering all the PL blather about "having evidence" and "burden of proof blah" I find it entirely hypocritical and borderline xenophobic that you guys are making such sweeping generalizations about russian players being "ze number one botters/RMTers". You can't possibly claim to have any reliable evidence of this, unless you are claim to have some sort of H4X'd surveillance on the entire Russian Eve community. 1. If you don't like ppl making unsubstantiated claims against your corpmate then perhaps you should stop making such claims urselves. 2. Stop making sweeping generalizations about players of a particular nationality, you are starting to sound like a bunch of slightly racist grandads.
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DigitalCommunist
November Corporation
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Posted - 2010.04.21 17:52:00 -
[596]
Originally by: Razin Well, baiting works sometimes.
People are stupid and/or choose to take risks. The ones that don't aren't going to die, unless its some freak occurrence. More used to die when NPCs actually scrambled people, but thats not really down to any player skill - its just statistical probability that the person can't instantly warp to safespot and log/cloak the moment you enter system. Not very fun for either party.
Originally by: Razin But yes, local needs to be dealt with. CCP Zulupark (Content Director/Associate Producer?) promised delayed local on SISI by the beginning of last year (2009!). It's about time.
I know what they promised, but it was likely said just to get us to shut up about it at the time. Dominion, Tyrannis, and probably the next two expansions are all going to pass without any regard for local nerf.
For years they've used various excuses and pre-conditions before they could even begin to remove local, and as far as I'm aware there are none left. The last mention of local chat was their desire to have some sort of uber cool submarine warfare type crap, but that it wasn't optimized enough to deploy on TQ. I don't think they're actively working on that, but you can bet that if they removed local tommorow, they'd have a lot more incentive to do something than they do right now.
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dumpertt
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Posted - 2010.04.21 17:53:00 -
[597]
Edited by: dumpertt on 21/04/2010 17:54:31
Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: dumpertt
Originally by: Tippia People can stop repeating that tired paragraph. You have your answer already.
Now, how about banning all those macro users?
1. i don't see the ccp answer. am i blind?
He's apparently been kicked out already û that's as clear an answer as you'll ever going to get, seeing as how they don't discuss bugs or exploits openly.
not that bad news if it is true. but i don't care about monkey - i do care about those exploits.
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Orga Azmaat
Minmatar Xenobytes Stain Empire
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Posted - 2010.04.21 17:54:00 -
[598]
Originally by: crusader1 We would like to hear an official response from a CCP employee that they are looking into the issue and trying to reproduce the exploit internally. We would like CCP to state that the use of such an exploit, if proven to be real, will result in the permanent ban of the character using it. We would like to do everything we can to prevent the use of this exploit from spreading to maintain the integrity of the game. CCP, please give us the acknowledgment that this issue didn't fall on deaf ears.
/signed
fix the bug ban exploiters deal with racist in this topic ban bot users remove local chat
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Midjutetur
Blood Covenant Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.04.21 18:05:00 -
[599]
Originally by: lookatzebirdie Edited by: lookatzebirdie on 21/04/2010 17:48:39
Originally by: Midjutetur You f00ls should also stop hating on russians just cause they rmt more money than you do. Since Chinese are gone it's pretty clear - Russia #1.
First off I dunno who is exploiting or not, but considering all the PL blather about "having evidence" and "burden of proof blah" I find it entirely hypocritical and borderline xenophobic that you guys are making such sweeping generalizations about russian players being "ze number one botters/RMTers". You can't possibly claim to have any reliable evidence of this, unless you are claim to have some sort of H4X'd surveillance on the entire Russian Eve community. 1. If you don't like ppl making unsubstantiated claims against your corpmate (edit, turns out they weren't unsubstantiated *feigns surprise*) then perhaps you should stop making such claims urselves. 2. Stop making sweeping generalizations about players of a particular nationality, you are starting to sound like a bunch of slightly racist grandads.
Unholy rage
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Jeremey
Glittering Dust
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Posted - 2010.04.21 18:08:00 -
[600]
New video from Ellatan about exploit.
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Vincent Gaines
Macabre Votum
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Posted - 2010.04.21 18:12:00 -
[601]
can someone put that on youtube? I can't get it from eve files here.
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Ellatan Deruimte
Surreal corp Stain Empire
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Posted - 2010.04.21 18:14:00 -
[602]
Just to make it clear, I wasn't reproducing an exploit and have no clue how it's done. I was playing the role of the "victim" and frapsing it with transparent windows to demonstrate that the video footage is not fake.
I'm well aware, that CCP doesn't consider any sort of videos or screenshots made by players as a definitive proof of anything. The video was not made to convince CCP, but to raise awareness of regular EVE players like me, that such thing could be done. I really hope that CCP will be able to fix this issue, the bug reports have been submitted as far as I know.
However, we need your support to make this issue known, so CCP would not sweep it under the rug and forget about it the next day. So if you would leave a response after watching the videos, we'd really appreciate it.
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keymaker
Xenophon Core
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Posted - 2010.04.21 18:17:00 -
[603]
Im extremely appalled by the lack of moderation in this thread. There has been direct insults towards people's nationality/race and not a single word has been said from CCP.
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Zofran
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Posted - 2010.04.21 18:17:00 -
[604]
Just. Ban. Everything.
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Silent Wispa
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Posted - 2010.04.21 18:18:00 -
[605]
Originally by: Ellatan Deruimte Just to make it clear, I wasn't reproducing an exploit and have no clue how it's done. I was playing the role of the "victim" and frapsing it with transparent windows to demonstrate that the video footage is not fake.
I'm well aware, that CCP doesn't consider any sort of videos or screenshots made by players as a definitive proof of anything. The video was not made to convince CCP, but to raise awareness of regular EVE players like me, that such thing could be done. I really hope that CCP will be able to fix this issue, the bug reports have been submitted as far as I know.
However, we need your support to make this issue known, so CCP would not sweep it under the rug and forget about it the next day. So if you would leave a response after watching the videos, we'd really appreciate it.
Interesting that your friends can knock up a hack in a couple of days to do that.
What else can they do?
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Taua Roqa
Minmatar Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2010.04.21 18:19:00 -
[606]
Edited by: Taua Roqa on 21/04/2010 18:18:55 what's so surprising about them cracking it in 3 days? shouldn't underestimate russian hackers tbh
that said even I knew what was going on in a rough sense, that's pretty f'in hilarious in itself.
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Ranka Mei
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.04.21 18:19:00 -
[607]
We would like to hear an official response from a CCP employee that they are looking into the issue and trying to reproduce the exploit internally. We would like CCP to state that the use of such an exploit, if proven to be real, will result in the permanent ban of the character using it. We would like to do everything we can to prevent the use of this exploit from spreading to maintain the integrity of the game. CCP, please give us the acknowledgment that this issue didn't fall on deaf ears.
If you are also interested in exploit free Eve-online, support our efforts and let your voices be heard!
-- Gorgeous, delicious, deculture! |
Elena Eskova
Solar Dragons SOLAR FLEET
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Posted - 2010.04.21 18:19:00 -
[608]
We would like to hear an official response from a CCP employee that they are looking into the issue and trying to reproduce the exploit internally. We would like CCP to state that the use of such an exploit, if proven to be real, will result in the permanent ban of the character using it. We would like to do everything we can to prevent the use of this exploit from spreading to maintain the integrity of the game. CCP, please give us the acknowledgment that this issue didn't fall on deaf ears.
If you are also interested in exploit free Eve-online, support our efforts and let your voices be heard!
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lookatzebirdie
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Posted - 2010.04.21 18:19:00 -
[609]
Originally by: Midjutetur
Originally by: lookatzebirdie Edited by: lookatzebirdie on 21/04/2010 17:48:39
Originally by: Midjutetur You f00ls should also stop hating on russians just cause they rmt more money than you do. Since Chinese are gone it's pretty clear - Russia #1.
First off I dunno who is exploiting or not, but considering all the PL blather about "having evidence" and "burden of proof blah" I find it entirely hypocritical and borderline xenophobic that you guys are making such sweeping generalizations about russian players being "ze number one botters/RMTers". You can't possibly claim to have any reliable evidence of this, unless you are claim to have some sort of H4X'd surveillance on the entire Russian Eve community. 1. If you don't like ppl making unsubstantiated claims against your corpmate (edit, turns out they weren't unsubstantiated *feigns surprise*) then perhaps you should stop making such claims urselves. 2. Stop making sweeping generalizations about players of a particular nationality, you are starting to sound like a bunch of slightly racist grandads.
Unholy rage
^^^ Captain of PL's debate team speaks
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Elektrea
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.04.21 18:23:00 -
[610]
Originally by: keymaker Im extremely appalled by the lack of moderation in this thread. There has been direct insults towards people's nationality/race and not a single word has been said from CCP.
keeep the tears coming. ----------
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Razin
The xDEATHx Squadron Legion of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2010.04.21 18:24:00 -
[611]
Originally by: Ellatan Deruimte Just to make it clear, I wasn't reproducing an exploit and have no clue how it's done. I was playing the role of the "victim" and frapsing it with transparent windows to demonstrate that the video footage is not fake.
I'm well aware, that CCP doesn't consider any sort of videos or screenshots made by players as a definitive proof of anything. The video was not made to convince CCP, but to raise awareness of regular EVE players like me, that such thing could be done. I really hope that CCP will be able to fix this issue, the bug reports have been submitted as far as I know.
However, we need your support to make this issue known, so CCP would not sweep it under the rug and forget about it the next day. So if you would leave a response after watching the videos, we'd really appreciate it.
Uploading your video to youtube would make it a bit more accessible. ...
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Ellatan Deruimte
Surreal corp Stain Empire
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Posted - 2010.04.21 18:26:00 -
[612]
Originally by: Razin
Originally by: Ellatan Deruimte Just to make it clear, I wasn't reproducing an exploit and have no clue how it's done. I was playing the role of the "victim" and frapsing it with transparent windows to demonstrate that the video footage is not fake.
I'm well aware, that CCP doesn't consider any sort of videos or screenshots made by players as a definitive proof of anything. The video was not made to convince CCP, but to raise awareness of regular EVE players like me, that such thing could be done. I really hope that CCP will be able to fix this issue, the bug reports have been submitted as far as I know.
However, we need your support to make this issue known, so CCP would not sweep it under the rug and forget about it the next day. So if you would leave a response after watching the videos, we'd really appreciate it.
Uploading your video to youtube would make it a bit more accessible.
I've attempted to do so, but the quality is pretty terrible. Hopefully it will process to HD, so at least something could be visible. If someone could suggest me a good program to format from AVI to MKV with better quality, it would help.
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Corbeau Lenoir
ZER0. IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.04.21 18:28:00 -
[613]
Are there any sceptics left? Or does someone thinks that both videos were faked?
P.S. Still waiting for CCP response.
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Mr Epeen
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Posted - 2010.04.21 18:29:00 -
[614]
Originally by: Ellatan Deruimte Just to make it clear, I wasn't reproducing an exploit and have no clue how it's done. I was playing the role of the "victim" and frapsing it with transparent windows to demonstrate that the video footage is not fake.
I'm well aware, that CCP doesn't consider any sort of videos or screenshots made by players as a definitive proof of anything. The video was not made to convince CCP, but to raise awareness of regular EVE players like me, that such thing could be done. I really hope that CCP will be able to fix this issue, the bug reports have been submitted as far as I know.
However, we need your support to make this issue known, so CCP would not sweep it under the rug and forget about it the next day. So if you would leave a response after watching the videos, we'd really appreciate it.
Only two in local? In Maddy?
Unusual, to say the least.
Mr Epeen
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baltec1
Antares Shipyards Aeternus.
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Posted - 2010.04.21 18:29:00 -
[615]
Originally by: keymaker Im extremely appalled by the lack of moderation in this thread. There has been direct insults towards people's nationality/race and not a single word has been said from CCP.
Thats because its true that the dronelands has by far the most macro abusers and the alliences in question dont hide it too well and happen to be russian.
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BOEHKOP
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Posted - 2010.04.21 18:30:00 -
[616]
Originally by: Silent Wispa
Originally by: Ellatan Deruimte Just to make it clear, I wasn't reproducing an exploit and have no clue how it's done. I was playing the role of the "victim" and frapsing it with transparent windows to demonstrate that the video footage is not fake. ...
interesting that your friends can knock up a hack in a couple of days to do that.
What else can they do?
Can do a hack that reproduce someone cheat. - confirmed. What else they can do? Try to use your imagination.
Do not forget to thanks your god(s) (if any), for the fact, that "russians" too honest and not done that (yet). :)
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Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2010.04.21 18:30:00 -
[617]
Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2
Originally by: Zeba Don't blame PL if CCP is too slow to fix obvious gameplay exploit issues that PL was kind enough to figure out and 'report' on.
Oh yeah. It's true. Pandemic Legion has been very forthcoming and honest in this thread. No attempt at derailing or covering their tracks. They've been totally forthcoming. Kudos to PL for bringing this to CCP's attention and all. I mean, isn't it obvious?
You mean you actually believed all that crap they poasted just to priss everyone off? I mean, wasn't it obvious? Again people seem to have no idea how exploits get fixed in eve once they are on TQ so here is the quick and dirty explanation. Someone finds an exploit and they use it till people start to wise up and cry on the forums. Then they have a grand ole time yukking it up as all the morons wail and knash their teeth in poast after poast. CCP finally notices and the exploit gets fixed. How hard is that to understand?
Originally by: CCP Zymurgist Get off the forums and go kill someone!
Originally by: Amarr Supremacist Yeah, it(Jaguar) almost has cruiser level tank and gank!
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keymaker
Xenophon Core
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Posted - 2010.04.21 18:31:00 -
[618]
Originally by: Elektrea
Originally by: keymaker Im extremely appalled by the lack of moderation in this thread. There has been direct insults towards people's nationality/race and not a single word has been said from CCP.
keeep the tears coming.
ooh tears because im russian..not, you sad fool
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Ivana Drake
Caldari Omerta Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.04.21 18:32:00 -
[619]
Originally by: Jeremey New video from Ellatan about exploit.
Finally, something a little more concrete. TY for doing this.
I think it's time CCP told us their stance on this.
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Razin
The xDEATHx Squadron Legion of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2010.04.21 18:33:00 -
[620]
Originally by: baltec1
Originally by: keymaker Im extremely appalled by the lack of moderation in this thread. There has been direct insults towards people's nationality/race and not a single word has been said from CCP.
Thats because its true that the dronelands has by far the most macro abusers and the alliences in question dont hide it too well and happen to be russian.
Xenophobia apologist/rationalizer to the rescue. How typical. ...
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B0NECRUSHER
Minmatar Republic Military School
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Posted - 2010.04.21 18:34:00 -
[621]
We would like to hear an official response from a CCP employee that they are looking into the issue and trying to reproduce the exploit internally. We would like CCP to state that the use of such an exploit, if proven to be real, will result in the permanent ban of the character using it. We would like to do everything we can to prevent the use of this exploit from spreading to maintain the integrity of the game. CCP, please give us the acknowledgment that this issue didn't fall on deaf ears.
If you are also interested in exploit free Eve-online, support our efforts and let your voices be heard!
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Caldrion Dosto
Garoun Investment Bank
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Posted - 2010.04.21 18:36:00 -
[622]
So looks like i indeed was right in calling that PL guy an idiot...
So the duck has now been found, i hope CCP does something about it.
This have potential game-breaking potential if it¦s use get wide spread.... :(
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Soroksorok
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Posted - 2010.04.21 18:36:00 -
[623]
We would like to hear an official response from a CCP employee that they are looking into the issue and trying to reproduce the exploit internally. We would like CCP to state that the use of such an exploit, if proven to be real, will result in the permanent ban of the character using it. We would like to do everything we can to prevent the use of this exploit from spreading to maintain the integrity of the game. CCP, please give us the acknowledgment that this issue didn't fall on deaf ears.
If you are also interested in exploit free Eve-online, support our efforts and let your voices be heard!
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baltec1
Antares Shipyards Aeternus.
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Posted - 2010.04.21 18:36:00 -
[624]
Originally by: Razin
Originally by: baltec1
Originally by: keymaker Im extremely appalled by the lack of moderation in this thread. There has been direct insults towards people's nationality/race and not a single word has been said from CCP.
Thats because its true that the dronelands has by far the most macro abusers and the alliences in question dont hide it too well and happen to be russian.
Xenophobia apologist/rationalizer to the rescue. How typical.
Cue the dronelands powerblock responce of "oh no we dont".
Care the explain how it is that many people in that area of space can run 23 hours a day?
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species2143
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Posted - 2010.04.21 18:37:00 -
[625]
Originally by: Ivana Drake
Originally by: Jeremey New video from Ellatan about exploit.
Finally, something a little more concrete. TY for doing this.
I think it's time CCP told us their stance on this.
Naaa, I rather think it's time for monkey to proof he is in fact using superior "strategies". CCP will catch onto this issue as soon as the volcanic ashes clear from their monitors...
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CanIHave YourStuff
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Posted - 2010.04.21 18:37:00 -
[626]
Originally by: Ellatan Deruimte Just to make it clear, I wasn't reproducing an exploit and have no clue how it's done. I was playing the role of the "victim" and frapsing it with transparent windows to demonstrate that the video footage is not fake.
Funny, one of those windows is not transparent and it doesn't show anyone ganking you. That ibis was clearly logged off mid warp to you. Proves as mush as the rest of the bullcrap concerning this 'issue'.
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StKirill
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Posted - 2010.04.21 18:37:00 -
[627]
We would like to hear an official response from a CCP employee that they are looking into the issue and trying to reproduce the exploit internally. We would like CCP to state that the use of such an exploit, if proven to be real, will result in the permanent ban of the character using it. We would like to do everything we can to prevent the use of this exploit from spreading to maintain the integrity of the game. CCP, please give us the acknowledgment that this issue didn't fall on deaf ears.
If you are also interested in exploit free Eve-online, support our efforts and let your voices be heard!
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Blind Khazid
Iron Hands Flame Bridge
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Posted - 2010.04.21 18:39:00 -
[628]
Quote: We would like to hear an official response from a CCP employee that they are looking into the issue and trying to reproduce the exploit internally. We would like CCP to state that the use of such an exploit, if proven to be real, will result in the permanent ban of the character using it. We would like to do everything we can to prevent the use of this exploit from spreading to maintain the integrity of the game. CCP, please give us the acknowledgment that this issue didn't fall on deaf ears.
^^this.
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Vadimko
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Posted - 2010.04.21 18:40:00 -
[629]
Edited by: Vadimko on 21/04/2010 18:43:56 CCP, any comments?
BTW: russian != macro, and macro != russian :) Try to live near, for example, Burn Eden. You will see the real 23/7 ratters!
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Ellatan Deruimte
Surreal corp Stain Empire
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Posted - 2010.04.21 18:42:00 -
[630]
Edited by: Ellatan Deruimte on 21/04/2010 18:42:34
Originally by: Mr Epeen
Only two in local? In Maddy?
Unusual, to say the least.
Mr Epeen
It was done on the test server for bug reporting. I doubt that anybody in their right mind would want to exploit on Tranquility.
Terrible youtube video is up: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnhywtqETLo The quality should improve with time, it's still in the middle of processing.
As you can see, there is only one person in local. Noobship attacks a shuttle and Concord kills him, he still doesn't appear in local. I moved the chat windows, to show that they were not faked with video editing tools.
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Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2010.04.21 18:43:00 -
[631]
Edited by: Zeba on 21/04/2010 18:45:30
Originally by: Vadimko CCP, any comments?
Well acourding to this locked thread claiming that the players using said exploit were banned a CCP mod has stated that discussing a GM action is forbiddon so take that as you will.
Originally by: CCP Zymurgist Get off the forums and go kill someone!
Originally by: Amarr Supremacist Yeah, it(Jaguar) almost has cruiser level tank and gank!
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dumpertt
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Posted - 2010.04.21 18:44:00 -
[632]
Edited by: dumpertt on 21/04/2010 18:46:37
Originally by: species2143 Edited by: species2143 on 21/04/2010 18:37:50
Originally by: Ivana Drake
Originally by: Jeremey New video from Ellatan about exploit.
Finally, something a little more concrete. TY for doing this.
I think it's time CCP told us their stance on this.
Naaa, I rather think it's time for monkey to prove he is in fact using superior "strategies". CCP will catch onto this issue as soon as the volcanic ashes clear from their monitors...
f..k yeah! SUDDENLY, he didn't kill a shuttle using his great technique since threadnout at eve-ru started. pretty sure that's just a coincidence, yeah.
"i am a monkey" bug at youtube - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-TfbifOmDPY
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Romale
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.04.21 18:44:00 -
[633]
so let me get this straight, some russians have proved that they can cheat?
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xo3e
The Deliberate Forces
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Posted - 2010.04.21 18:46:00 -
[634]
Originally by: Romale so let me get this straight, some russians have proved that they can cheat?
go be fat somewhere else maim, kill, burn! |
Corbeau Lenoir
ZER0. IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.04.21 18:50:00 -
[635]
Originally by: Romale so let me get this straight, some russians have proved that they can cheat?
PL's damage control delivers.
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Lady Spank
Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta
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Posted - 2010.04.21 18:50:00 -
[636]
Originally by: Romale so let me get this straight, some russians have proved that they can cheat?
There is video evidence of them exploiting in this discussion. Shocking. ~_~
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Ranka Mei
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.04.21 18:51:00 -
[637]
Edited by: Ranka Mei on 21/04/2010 18:54:20
Originally by: Danks Hello, voice of reason chiming in.
I find it hard to believe anyone would take any evidence offered in this mess as 'Proof'. I'd like to calmly point out this is the internet because it seems that people have forgotten. You can prove anything you like. From the point of view of a neutral observer who couldn't care less about either side, the only proof I would accept as definative is from CCP.
Per definition no one here can 'prove' anything to the degree of certainty. We don't need the voice of reason for that (at least, not necessarily yours). All people here can do is collect enough 'evidence' to warrant an official investigation. It's quite okay for CCP not to accept non-ingame chat logs in which the accused is found conspiring to hack the game. As it's fine that that they're not accepting external video feeds as 'proof.' These pieces of 'evidence' just serve the purpose of establishing 'Probable Cause.' And I think that burden has been met by now. -- Gorgeous, delicious, deculture! |
Vincent Gaines
Macabre Votum
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Posted - 2010.04.21 18:51:00 -
[638]
looking at the vid (thanks for putting it on youtube) there is definitely some kind of exploit.
not all russians use macros, however a lot of macros are used by the russian alliances in the dronelands.
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Razin
The xDEATHx Squadron Legion of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2010.04.21 18:55:00 -
[639]
Edited by: Razin on 21/04/2010 18:55:03
Originally by: baltec1
Originally by: Razin
Originally by: baltec1
Originally by: keymaker Im extremely appalled by the lack of moderation in this thread. There has been direct insults towards people's nationality/race and not a single word has been said from CCP.
Thats because its true that the dronelands has by far the most macro abusers and the alliences in question dont hide it too well and happen to be russian.
Xenophobia apologist/rationalizer to the rescue. How typical.
Cue the dronelands powerblock responce of "oh no we dont".
Care the explain how it is that many people in that area of space can run 23 hours a day?
Your deflection is about as subtle as PL's smear campaign. Keep digging that hole you're in. ...
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Romale
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.04.21 18:55:00 -
[640]
Originally by: Corbeau Lenoir
Originally by: Romale so let me get this straight, some russians have proved that they can cheat?
PL's damage control delivers.
oh no, i dont care of monkey did or didn't cheat, honestly i hoped he did, i'm just saying the only one who has proven they can do this cheat is the bolshaviks
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baltec1
Antares Shipyards Aeternus.
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Posted - 2010.04.21 18:56:00 -
[641]
Originally by: Razin
Your deflection is about as subtle as PL's smear campaign. Keep digging that hole you're in.
So I guess thats a no comment then.
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dumpertt
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Posted - 2010.04.21 18:57:00 -
[642]
Originally by: Vincent Gaines
not all russians use macros, however a lot of macros are used by the russian alliances in the dronelands.
not all pathetic legion members are exploiters, however a lot of cheats are used by them.
not all americans are exploiters, however a lot of cheats are used by them.
not all monkeys are exploiters, however a lot of cheats are used by them.
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xo3e
The Deliberate Forces
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Posted - 2010.04.21 18:57:00 -
[643]
Originally by: Vincent Gaines looking at the vid (thanks for putting it on youtube) there is definitely some kind of exploit.
not all russians use macros, however a lot of macros are used by the russian alliances in the dronelands.
killing bots with exploit use is.. acceptable. but monkeysphere has started to kill common players maim, kill, burn! |
Vincent Gaines
Macabre Votum
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Posted - 2010.04.21 19:00:00 -
[644]
Originally by: dumpertt
Originally by: Vincent Gaines
not all russians use macros, however a lot of macros are used by the russian alliances in the dronelands.
not all pathetic legion members are exploiters, however a lot of cheats are used by them.
not all americans are exploiters, however a lot of cheats are used by them.
not all monkeys are exploiters, however a lot of cheats are used by them.
logical fallacies, that I corrected, and yet you then turned into straw man arguments.
awesome.
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lookatzebirdie
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Posted - 2010.04.21 19:01:00 -
[645]
Originally by: Romale the bolshaviks
?
Jesus, you can't even spell your choice of xenophobic generalization. GTFO before you lower the collective IQ of this thread to remedial levels.
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Dianeces
SiN. Corp Daisho Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.04.21 19:02:00 -
[646]
Originally by: dumpertt
Originally by: Vincent Gaines
not all russians use macros, however a lot of macros are used by the russian alliances in the dronelands.
not all pathetic legion members are exploiters, however a lot of cheats are used by them.
not all americans are exploiters, however a lot of cheats are used by them.
not all monkeys are exploiters, however a lot of cheats are used by them.
Monkey isn't American. You'd know this if you actually paid attention instead of spouting drivel on the forums all day.
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Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2010.04.21 19:04:00 -
[647]
Originally by: dumpertt not all americans are exploiters, however a lot of cheats are used by them.
Don't blame america for our immigrants actions. Sheesh do you expect us to change their cultural ways overnight just because they moved here?
Originally by: CCP Zymurgist Get off the forums and go kill someone!
Originally by: Amarr Supremacist Yeah, it(Jaguar) almost has cruiser level tank and gank!
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dumpertt
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Posted - 2010.04.21 19:07:00 -
[648]
Edited by: dumpertt on 21/04/2010 19:07:27
Originally by: Dianeces
Originally by: dumpertt
Originally by: Vincent Gaines
not all russians use macros, however a lot of macros are used by the russian alliances in the dronelands.
not all pathetic legion members are exploiters, however a lot of cheats are used by them.
not all americans are exploiters, however a lot of cheats are used by them.
not all monkeys are exploiters, however a lot of cheats are used by them.
Monkey isn't American. You'd know this if you actually paid attention instead of spouting drivel on the forums all day.
dude, u see. i don't care about nationality. YOU DO. why?!
btw i didn't mean "monkey" - but monkey, an animal, you know.
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Dianeces
SiN. Corp Daisho Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.04.21 19:09:00 -
[649]
Originally by: dumpertt Edited by: dumpertt on 21/04/2010 19:07:27
Originally by: Dianeces
Originally by: dumpertt
Originally by: Vincent Gaines
not all russians use macros, however a lot of macros are used by the russian alliances in the dronelands.
not all pathetic legion members are exploiters, however a lot of cheats are used by them.
not all americans are exploiters, however a lot of cheats are used by them.
not all monkeys are exploiters, however a lot of cheats are used by them.
Monkey isn't American. You'd know this if you actually paid attention instead of spouting drivel on the forums all day.
dude, u see. i don't care about nationality. YOU DO. why?!
btw i didn't mean "monkey" - but monkey, an animal, you know.
Clearly you don't care about nationality. Which one of us brought it up, again? I'm p. sure it wasn't me.
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Zelda Wei
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Posted - 2010.04.21 19:10:00 -
[650]
Originally by: Jeremey New video from Ellatan about exploit.
Now we don't see invisible bots. |
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Caldrion Dosto
Garoun Investment Bank
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Posted - 2010.04.21 19:11:00 -
[651]
I find it kinda funny that the Dev¦s/GM¦s don¦t dare touch this thread not even to moderate the most obvious racist/insulting comments.
Are CCP a bit afraid and unsure how to address this situation perhaps?
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Razin
The xDEATHx Squadron Legion of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2010.04.21 19:15:00 -
[652]
Originally by: baltec1
Originally by: Razin
Your deflection is about as subtle as PL's smear campaign. Keep digging that hole you're in.
So I guess thats a no comment then.
Lame much? ...
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Rand Paul
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Posted - 2010.04.21 19:16:00 -
[653]
RIP Awox
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romek mablung
Caldari OWS Research and Development
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Posted - 2010.04.21 19:17:00 -
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Edited by: romek mablung on 21/04/2010 19:17:36 This is Threadnout,mkay,already.U cant't touch this....duu.du.du.dump...duu-duu.Hammertime!
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Romale
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.04.21 19:18:00 -
[655]
Originally by: lookatzebirdie
Originally by: Romale the bolshaviks
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Jesus, you can't even spell your choice of xenophobic generalization. GTFO before you lower the collective IQ of this thread to remedial levels.
yes, because there actually is a correct way to spell something thats written using a non English alphabet
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Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2010.04.21 19:18:00 -
[656]
Originally by: Caldrion Dosto I find it kinda funny that the Dev¦s/GM¦s don¦t dare touch this thread not even to moderate the most obvious racist/insulting comments.
Are CCP a bit afraid and unsure how to address this situation perhaps?
Since when is calling someone by their national origin considered being racist? Now the insulting part yeah plenty of that going on but its the eve-o forums and that never gets moderated.
Originally by: CCP Zymurgist Get off the forums and go kill someone!
Originally by: Amarr Supremacist Yeah, it(Jaguar) almost has cruiser level tank and gank!
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Huhuhuhuhuhuh
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Posted - 2010.04.21 19:20:00 -
[657]
Just to clear things up. About "russian proved how to cheat". In eve-ru thread and here a lot of people said - There Is No Local Exploit. Learn to play newbs. The whole point of investigation was to prove them wrong. It took exactly 2 hours for the first proof of concept and another hour today to refine solution a bit. It did not involve any massive effort or background work reverse-engineering. Thread with monkey gave direction, and bug was right there. So I believe this exploit or its variation can be used by some people on live, and this should be stopped.
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dumpertt
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Posted - 2010.04.21 19:23:00 -
[658]
Originally by: Dianeces
Clearly you don't care about nationality. Which one of us brought it up, again? I'm p. sure it wasn't me.
the author of the 1st quote, i suppose? i just wrote some random stuff alike that - it sounded really insulting? oh, my bad.
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Vincent Gaines
Macabre Votum
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Posted - 2010.04.21 19:23:00 -
[659]
Edited by: Vincent Gaines on 21/04/2010 19:23:53
Originally by: dumpertt still sounds like Goebbels - u are really awesome in correcting, bro :)
wtf are Goebbles?
edit: and it's "bolsheviks"
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Adolf Shtinkenfinga
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Posted - 2010.04.21 19:23:00 -
[660]
Through the grapevine all of monkey's accounts have been banned.
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dumpertt
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Posted - 2010.04.21 19:29:00 -
[661]
Originally by: Vincent Gaines Edited by: Vincent Gaines on 21/04/2010 19:23:53
Originally by: dumpertt still sounds like Goebbels - u are really awesome in correcting, bro :)
wtf are Goebbles?
edit: and it's "bolsheviks"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Goebbels
author of "big lie theory" u just used. never forget the copyrigts!
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Huhuhuhuhuhuh
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Posted - 2010.04.21 19:29:00 -
[662]
Actually we have taken the footage today in the wormhole. we have taken the footage today in the wormhole. taken the footage today in the wormhole. today in the wormhole. today in the wormhole. wormhole.
There is no exploit, move along people.
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Lady Spank
Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta
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Posted - 2010.04.21 19:29:00 -
[663]
Originally by: Huhuhuhuhuhuh Just to clear things up. About "russian proved how to cheat". In eve-ru thread and here a lot of people said - There Is No Local Exploit. Learn to play newbs. The whole point of investigation was to prove them wrong. It took exactly 2 hours for the first proof of concept and another hour today to refine solution a bit. It did not involve any massive effort or background work reverse-engineering. Thread with monkey gave direction, and bug was right there. So I believe this exploit or its variation can be used by some people on live, and this should be stopped.
Well done proving you are an exploiter with that video m8. GG. ~_~
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lookatzebirdie
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Posted - 2010.04.21 19:30:00 -
[664]
Originally by: Romale
Originally by: lookatzebirdie
Originally by: Romale the bolshaviks
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Jesus, you can't even spell your choice of xenophobic generalization. GTFO before you lower the collective IQ of this thread to remedial levels.
yes, because there actually is a correct way to spell something thats written using a non English alphabet
I suggest you take that up the editors of one or more of the well known English dictionaries, it seems they ALL disagree with you on that point. Seeing as you claim there's no correct way to spell a word derived from Cyrillic, perhaps you can convince them to change it to "I can count to potato" in your honor ?
Let me know how you get on
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Raivi
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.04.21 19:30:00 -
[665]
Free Monkeysphere! ---------------------------------------------
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Zelda Wei
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Posted - 2010.04.21 19:32:00 -
[666]
Monkeysphere response?
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BTK Rader
The Green Cross DEFI4NT
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Posted - 2010.04.21 19:34:00 -
[667]
Originally by: Raivi Free Monkeysphere!
Poveste obezyanu za yatsa \o/
Fix exploit please.
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Huhuhuhuhuhuh
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Posted - 2010.04.21 19:36:00 -
[668]
Originally by: Lady Spank
Well done proving you are an exploiter with that video m8. GG.
Uhm. CCP should ban their QA department for they are exploiting non-stop ~
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romek mablung
Caldari OWS Research and Development
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Posted - 2010.04.21 19:36:00 -
[669]
Confirming!Such exploit dosnt exist!Nothing to see here!
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woarus
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Posted - 2010.04.21 19:38:00 -
[670]
Originally by: Adolf Shtinkenfinga Through the grapevine all of monkey's accounts have been banned.
Marcellus Corteaz now online
He and monkey in one company
http://fsb.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=6246102
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Razin
The xDEATHx Squadron Legion of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2010.04.21 19:43:00 -
[671]
Originally by: Lady Spank Well done proving you are an exploiter with that video m8. GG.
Well, since this was bug-reported by those who made the video, CCP will most likely disagree with you.
PL, however, is looking mighty guilty attempting to deflect blame with their xenophobic smear campaign. ...
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Lady Spank
Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta
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Posted - 2010.04.21 19:50:00 -
[672]
Originally by: Huhuhuhuhuhuh
Originally by: Lady Spank
Well done proving you are an exploiter with that video m8. GG.
Uhm. CCP should ban their QA department for they are exploiting non-stop ~
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baltec1
Antares Shipyards Aeternus.
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Posted - 2010.04.21 19:51:00 -
[673]
Originally by: Razin
Originally by: Lady Spank Well done proving you are an exploiter with that video m8. GG.
Well, since this was bug-reported by those who made the video, CCP will most likely disagree with you.
PL, however, is looking mighty guilty attempting to deflect blame with their xenophobic smear campaign.
Its only a xenophobic smear campaign if its untrue. |
Razin
The xDEATHx Squadron Legion of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2010.04.21 19:56:00 -
[674]
Originally by: baltec1
Originally by: Razin
Originally by: Lady Spank Well done proving you are an exploiter with that video m8. GG.
Well, since this was bug-reported by those who made the video, CCP will most likely disagree with you.
PL, however, is looking mighty guilty attempting to deflect blame with their xenophobic smear campaign.
Its only a xenophobic smear campaign if its untrue.
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RabbidFerret
Pwnswarm Reckoning.
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Posted - 2010.04.21 19:58:00 -
[675]
The OP has done a solid job of collecting enough evidence to prove that this problem exists. CCP needs to act immediately.
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Owen Drakkar
Terra Nostra
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Posted - 2010.04.21 20:00:00 -
[676]
Hey guess what, the logs still show nothing.
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baltec1
Antares Shipyards Aeternus.
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Posted - 2010.04.21 20:06:00 -
[677]
Originally by: Razin
It is what it is, regardless of any rationalization.
Its russians using macros. Nothing racisit about just cold hard facts. Same as the fact that there is a real chinese farmer in venal.
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Jeremey
Glittering Dust
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Posted - 2010.04.21 20:08:00 -
[678]
Originally by: baltec1 Its russians using macros. Nothing racisit about just cold hard facts. Same as the fact that there is a real chinese farmer in venal.
What macros? What exploit?
Logs show nothing.
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baltec1
Antares Shipyards Aeternus.
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Posted - 2010.04.21 20:12:00 -
[679]
Originally by: Jeremey
Originally by: baltec1 Its russians using macros. Nothing racisit about just cold hard facts. Same as the fact that there is a real chinese farmer in venal.
What macros? What exploit?
Logs show nothing.
About as much evidence as the russians have on monkeyman
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar Vahrokh Consulting
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Posted - 2010.04.21 20:17:00 -
[680]
Quote:
You're seriously justifying exploit abusing here or what?
No, just pointing out that if those regular players get killed they have to blame themselves for not taking basic 0.0 precautions. Exploit or not exploit, they are just playing in a way that anyone competent with the game will get them, with totally "legit" ways.
The exploit can be real, the fact they are using it as self-excuse for playing bad is another and different matter they find too comfortable to mix together.
Quote:
he killed one of may corp mates using the same tactic as the op said. i heard him emo rage in vent
Next time, setup corp protection to the system if you want to avoid further emo-raging. Even if the guy is cheating, he does not bypass gates and there's a reason why in 0.0 you can deploy bubbles.
- Auditing & consulting
When looking for investors, please read http://tinyurl.com/n5ys4h + http://tinyurl.com/lrg4oz
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Razin
The xDEATHx Squadron Legion of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2010.04.21 20:18:00 -
[681]
Originally by: baltec1
Originally by: Razin
It is what it is, regardless of any rationalization.
Its russians using macros. Nothing racisit about just cold hard facts. Same as the fact that there is a real chinese farmer in venal.
Sure, same as the fact that there are German, American, British, etc. exploiters.
However, this hardly has any bearing on what's being discussed. And no amount of your sophistry will change that. ...
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xLSDx
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Posted - 2010.04.21 20:24:00 -
[682]
Originally by: baltec1
Originally by: Jeremey
Originally by: baltec1 Its russians using macros. Nothing racisit about just cold hard facts. Same as the fact that there is a real chinese farmer in venal.
What macros? What exploit?
Logs show nothing.
About as much evidence as the russians have on monkeyman
Its pl using exploit. Nothing racisit about just cold hard facts. Same as the fact that there is a unreal kills in a few minutes in different systems. ... About as much evidence as the pl have on russians
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baltec1
Antares Shipyards Aeternus.
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Posted - 2010.04.21 20:24:00 -
[683]
Originally by: Razin
Originally by: baltec1
Originally by: Razin
It is what it is, regardless of any rationalization.
Its russians using macros. Nothing racisit about just cold hard facts. Same as the fact that there is a real chinese farmer in venal.
Sure, same as the fact that there are German, American, British, etc. exploiters.
However, this hardly has any bearing on what's being discussed. And no amount of your sophistry will change that.
Talking about someone who might be using a exploit (because its not proven yet, not untill CCP come up with something as any evidence presented by players is subect to tampering), who has been using said explpoit to get around another exploit used by players to effectivly stay in perfect safety. The two are linked as monkeyman would not have to use an exploit (if he is) if other people were not cheating in the first place.
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Ottersmacker
Dust-420
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Posted - 2010.04.21 20:25:00 -
[684]
This thread illustrates the concept of The Monkeysphere (originally described by David Wong) very well. What we are witnessing here is nothing less than a collision of multiple monkeyspheres and the inevitable results that it produces.
On one side, mainly russian players have apparently hacked the eve client to force the result they want to see (akin to shelling one's own border village and blaming it on the neighbour to start a war, 1939 AD). On the other hand, other honourable pilots of various religions and beliefs regard the on-demand hackers as a faceles sea of monkey conjured up by emperor Xerxes from the four corners of his empire (480 BC) just to do one's bidding with no regard for collateral damage (crimes of communism).
Obviously, the eve-o forums are always larger than one's personal and since the conflicting groups are not sharing their bananas as it were with monkeys outside their personal spheres, the double-standards spread like wildfire. This, in a way, is paradoxical, since appearing before a large online audience (such as these forums) is one of the easiest ways to witness the sea of monkey you can just throw all of your frustration at in the first place. Thus a threadnaught be formed and a single poster won't even remember the names of other posters, but they'll never stop believin'
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Kitimortoa
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Posted - 2010.04.21 20:27:00 -
[685]
Originally by: baltec1
Originally by: Razin
Originally by: baltec1
Originally by: Razin
It is what it is, regardless of any rationalization.
Its russians using macros. Nothing racisit about just cold hard facts. Same as the fact that there is a real chinese farmer in venal.
Sure, same as the fact that there are German, American, British, etc. exploiters.
However, this hardly has any bearing on what's being discussed. And no amount of your sophistry will change that.
Talking about someone who might be using a exploit (because its not proven yet, not untill CCP come up with something as any evidence presented by players is subect to tampering), who has been using said explpoit to get around another exploit used by players to effectivly stay in perfect safety. The two are linked as monkeyman would not have to use an exploit (if he is) if other people were not cheating in the first place.
LOL
Like someone held a gun to his head and screamed at him "MUST EXPLOIT NAO!"
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baltec1
Antares Shipyards Aeternus.
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Posted - 2010.04.21 20:30:00 -
[686]
Originally by: Kitimortoa
LOL
Like someone held a gun to his head and screamed at him "MUST EXPLOIT NAO!"
Why dont we ask that about the people who are cheating in the first place too?
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MisterAl tt1
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Posted - 2010.04.21 20:33:00 -
[687]
Originally by: Ottersmacker Edited by: Ottersmacker on 21/04/2010 20:27:56 This thread illustrates the concept of The Monkeysphere (originally described by David Wong) very well. What we are witnessing here is nothing less than a collision of multiple monkeyspheres and the inevitable results that it produces.
On one side, mainly russian players have apparently hacked the eve client to force the result they want to see (akin to shelling one's own border village and blaming it on the neighbour to start a war, 1939 AD). On the other hand, other honourable pilots of various religions and beliefs regard the on-demand hackers as a faceless sea of monkey conjured up by emperor Xerxes from the four corners of his empire (480 BC) just to do one's bidding with no regard for collateral damage (crimes of communism).
Obviously, the eve-o forums are always larger than one's personal sphere and since the conflicting groups are not sharing their bananas as it were with monkeys outside their personal spheres, the double-standards spread like wildfire. This, in a way, is paradoxical, since appearing before a large online audience (such as these forums) is one of the easiest ways to witness the sea of monkey you can just throw all of your frustration at in the first place. Thus a threadnaught be formed and a single poster won't even remember the names of other posters, but they'll never stop believin'
Tooooo fat. PL, login in as main chars.
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Tobias Sjodin
Ore Mongers Gentlemen's Club
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Posted - 2010.04.21 20:36:00 -
[688]
Seems more like slow Sisi than exploit to me.
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bitters much
Nekkid Inc.
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Posted - 2010.04.21 20:43:00 -
[689]
I just recieved super secret confirmation that the monkeysphere also spawned himself a nice collection of T2 BPOs. All rush to Fountain to punish these scumbags PL...owai...
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Avon
Caldari Versatech Co. Aeternus.
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Posted - 2010.04.21 20:44:00 -
[690]
Originally by: baltec1
Originally by: Razin
It is what it is, regardless of any rationalization.
Its russians using macros. Nothing racisit about just cold hard facts. Same as the fact that there is a real chinese farmer in venal.
I just want to make it clear that I am ashamed to be in the same alliance as this idiot.
Stop posting. Signature removed, please only use English on the forums. Zymurgist Okay sweet-cheeks xxx. Avon |
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ewwlooki
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Posted - 2010.04.21 20:49:00 -
[691]
since ccp cant comment on this topic I just want to confirm that the information regarding the individuals taking advantage of this exploit and verification of the exploit made it to the proper authorities via player confessions and that appropriate actions were taken against the individuals involved.
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romek mablung
Caldari OWS Research and Development
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Posted - 2010.04.21 20:51:00 -
[692]
Time will show.Either we get official response (doubt..when ever was given out official response on subject of playerbase showed hack/exploithole.In EVE?)Or...most probably...in near future will be little dl,when logging in..."fixing some minor issues,bla-bla-bla".And we will notice-accused pilots arent so "leet" anymore on killboards,like will get kille per hour or so...And case will be closed.
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Raivi
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.04.21 20:59:00 -
[693]
Originally by: Обезьяна-сфере
Посмотрите на ваш голем Сейчас ко мне спиной в настоящее время возвращается на свое место голем К сожалению, ваш голем не я но он был бы мне, если вы перестали использовать леди душистые макросов
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romek mablung
Caldari OWS Research and Development
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Posted - 2010.04.21 21:01:00 -
[694]
Originally by: Raivi
Originally by: Обезьяна-сфере
Посмотрите на ваш голем Сейчас ко мне спиной в настоящее время возвращается на свое место голем К сожалению, ваш голем не я но он был бы мне, если вы перестали использовать леди душистые макросов
What a epic fail to Kaoz,trolling Eve-ru topic
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Kitimortoa
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Posted - 2010.04.21 21:02:00 -
[695]
Originally by: baltec1
Originally by: Kitimortoa
LOL
Like someone held a gun to his head and screamed at him "MUST EXPLOIT NAO!"
Why dont we ask that about the people who are cheating in the first place too?
lolwut?
Nice circular logic of yours with, "it's ok since he's forced to because other people do it."
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Raneru
Euphoria Released
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Posted - 2010.04.21 21:09:00 -
[696]
CCP please fix this! By making 0.0 local delayed chat....
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AdmiralJohn
The Unknown Bar and Pub Elysium Alliance
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Posted - 2010.04.21 21:17:00 -
[697]
This topic made me puke. Let's all just log out and pretend it never happened.
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TheLordofAllandNothing
Caldari NailorTech Industries RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2010.04.21 21:17:00 -
[698]
Originally by: Raneru CCP please fix this! By making 0.0 local delayed chat....
_______________________ Fix rockets in '09 =( |
Goumindong
SniggWaffe
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Posted - 2010.04.21 21:35:00 -
[699]
Originally by: Ellatan Deruimte
Terrible youtube video is up: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnhywtqETLo The quality should improve with time, it's still in the middle of processing.
As you can see, there is only one person in local. Noobship attacks a shuttle and Concord kills him, he still doesn't appear in local. I moved the chat windows, to show that they were not faked with video editing tools.
Now do it without locking the supposed exploiter first ;)
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ewwlooki
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Posted - 2010.04.21 22:04:00 -
[700]
When I saw it in use, there was no gate, it didnt involve some logoffski while you warp so aparently the ruskies are barking up the wrong tree, but god bless them anyway. the exploit involved altering the eve client, not in game mechanics.
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Dabo Girl
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Posted - 2010.04.21 22:32:00 -
[701]
Alright fellas. I am a PL member, but I'd rather not disclose exactly who I am at this point. PL has developed an internal application known as "The Sphere", which is what MS has been using to 'test' killing botters. I don't have access to the sub-forums to which they are developing this stuff, but someone who did sent me a post that karttoon made the other day with some research on the futher development of the application. I am completely against the creation of eve exploits, so I've decided to release this for you guys to use to help put a stop to this bull****.
Originally by: karttoon
I've found a few ways to improve The Sphere app, but there is still a ton of investigation/work to be done. Injecting the raw IRCD command to join the local channel seems to work 100% of the time using the #local.<system name> channel-set. It appears that issue the app seemed to be running into was that the eve IRCD is developed to be case sensitive for local channels. I'm working on a flat file database list that contains all of the correct cases as placed in the IRCD. If the injection joined the incorrect local channel (which didn't really exist), then the client would disconnect on aggression, causing you to float in space with your **** in your hand. It seems that Monkeys connection issues related to some of his comedy losses were related to the fact he actually didn't join local prior to aggressing on the target. If I can get someone in a covops to roam around and capture the raw packet logs I'll run it through the perl script I wrote to parse the correct system names. At a minimum, we need to do this for all of the eastern and southern systems.
Problem two I looked at is where we are only obtaining a 50% success rate in actually dropping the join channel, variable based on who is testing this. This seems to be due to the fact that the virtual NIC drivers that monkey developed have issued the drop packet command after the packet has already been sent to the server. This is variable by CPU load of the client, network utilization, ping times, and luck. There is no easy way to solve this without completely lagging out the client with a full custom in-line packet inspector. There are some commercial applications that have this functionality for other purposes, and are extremely efficient. Software wise, NOD32 has both built in memory and packet inspection technologies that I think I can tap into to drop entering local. I don't think it will be easy to specify the system, but at a minimum I'm sure I can get it to not join 'any' local channels, where you'd then have to issue the manual injection technique for each system (annoying, but not a huge deal unless you plan to burn around quickly). The second option is to use hardware between your computer and the server, which isn't very practical for anyone. Managing encryption keys for the sessions is also a ton of effort to program. McAfee intrushield hardware (costly unless you get a used unsupported device), or potentially modified snort may be able to do this for us. I'd rather look into this as a last resort since this would either require a virtual machine to be running, adding lag, or additional hardware.
Some irrelevant random points: Toying around I've also discovered ways to join multiple local channels and speak in them remotely, but you randomly get disconnected from the server when doing this. I think it has something to do with CCP's desynch detection code. Private group channels appear to use the +k IRC setting, which means you can't snoop on random channels unless you actually know the channel password. How they've implemented the 'allow' or 'deny' list for the channel is still unknown to me at this point. If I can figure it out, perhaps I can bypass the key requirement with further injections. I'm a bit busy for the next few days doing other things, but I'll keep you guys posted.
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Ellatan Deruimte
Surreal corp Stain Empire
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Posted - 2010.04.21 22:39:00 -
[702]
Edited by: Ellatan Deruimte on 21/04/2010 22:43:14
Originally by: ewwlooki When I saw it in use, there was no gate, it didnt involve some logoffski while you warp so aparently the ruskies are barking up the wrong tree, but god bless them anyway. the exploit involved altering the eve client, not in game mechanics.
What was the difference? Exactly the same bug as the reported Monkeysphere abuse can be recreated. I can be ratting in the belt, with no change in local and a recon will decloak next to me without ever entering local chat.
What you saw in the video didn't involve any log offs or anything of that sort. If you can teach us how to lock and shoot someone else's ship while you are logged off, then please enlighten us. The video was made at the gate just to demonstrate the exact moment when a ship enters the system without appearing in local chat.
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AdmiralJohn
The Unknown Bar and Pub Elysium Alliance
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Posted - 2010.04.21 22:40:00 -
[703]
The plot thickens!
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Rawr Cristina
Caldari Omerta Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.04.21 22:42:00 -
[704]
Originally by: Dabo Girl Alright fellas. I am a PL member, but I'd rather not disclose exactly who I am at this point. PL has developed an internal application known as "The Sphere", which is what MS has been using to 'test' killing botters. I don't have access to the sub-forums to which they are developing this stuff, but someone who did sent me a post that karttoon made the other day with some research on the futher development of the application. I am completely against the creation of eve exploits, so I've decided to release this for you guys to use to help put a stop to this bull****.
Originally by: karttoon
I've found a few ways to improve The Sphere app, but there is still a ton of investigation/work to be done. Injecting the raw IRCD command to join the local channel seems to work 100% of the time using the #local.<system name> channel-set. It appears that issue the app seemed to be running into was that the eve IRCD is developed to be case sensitive for local channels. I'm working on a flat file database list that contains all of the correct cases as placed in the IRCD. If the injection joined the incorrect local channel (which didn't really exist), then the client would disconnect on aggression, causing you to float in space with your **** in your hand. It seems that Monkeys connection issues related to some of his comedy losses were related to the fact he actually didn't join local prior to aggressing on the target. If I can get someone in a covops to roam around and capture the raw packet logs I'll run it through the perl script I wrote to parse the correct system names. At a minimum, we need to do this for all of the eastern and southern systems.
Problem two I looked at is where we are only obtaining a 50% success rate in actually dropping the join channel, variable based on who is testing this. This seems to be due to the fact that the virtual NIC drivers that monkey developed have issued the drop packet command after the packet has already been sent to the server. This is variable by CPU load of the client, network utilization, ping times, and luck. There is no easy way to solve this without completely lagging out the client with a full custom in-line packet inspector. There are some commercial applications that have this functionality for other purposes, and are extremely efficient. Software wise, NOD32 has both built in memory and packet inspection technologies that I think I can tap into to drop entering local. I don't think it will be easy to specify the system, but at a minimum I'm sure I can get it to not join 'any' local channels, where you'd then have to issue the manual injection technique for each system (annoying, but not a huge deal unless you plan to burn around quickly). The second option is to use hardware between your computer and the server, which isn't very practical for anyone. Managing encryption keys for the sessions is also a ton of effort to program. McAfee intrushield hardware (costly unless you get a used unsupported device), or potentially modified snort may be able to do this for us. I'd rather look into this as a last resort since this would either require a virtual machine to be running, adding lag, or additional hardware.
Some irrelevant random points: Toying around I've also discovered ways to join multiple local channels and speak in them remotely, but you randomly get disconnected from the server when doing this. I think it has something to do with CCP's desynch detection code. Private group channels appear to use the +k IRC setting, which means you can't snoop on random channels unless you actually know the channel password. How they've implemented the 'allow' or 'deny' list for the channel is still unknown to me at this point. If I can figure it out, perhaps I can bypass the key requirement with further injections. I'm a bit busy for the next few days doing other things, but I'll keep you guys posted.
Ban PL Ban Macros Remove Local
kthnx
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MatrixSkye Mk2
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.04.21 22:44:00 -
[705]
Originally by: baltec1
Originally by: Kitimortoa
LOL
Like someone held a gun to his head and screamed at him "MUST EXPLOIT NAO!"
Why dont we ask that about the people who are cheating in the first place too?
WTF are you rambling? Seriously. ALL EXPLOITS ARE BAD. Can you get that through your head? Stop defending PL's use of exploits while condemning the rest. Makes you look like a hypocritical idiot.
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Kuar Z'thain
Fraser's Finest
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Posted - 2010.04.21 22:52:00 -
[706]
Originally by: Dabo Girl *snip*
Enough quality technobabble used in proper context that you'll land quite a few with this.
10/10
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Jeremey
Glittering Dust
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Posted - 2010.04.21 22:55:00 -
[707]
Originally by: Dabo Girl PL has developed an internal application known as "The Sphere", which is what MS has been using to 'test' killing botters.
Have Pandemic Legion used that illegal mod during Alliance Tournament?
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Dmitri Harkonnen
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Posted - 2010.04.21 23:03:00 -
[708]
Edited by: Dmitri Harkonnen on 21/04/2010 23:03:13
Originally by: Jeremey Have Pandemic Legion used that illegal mod during Alliance Tournament?
No - there is simply no room to use these exploits there. Tournament is overwatched by GMs and public, and we saw that they were in local and didn't jump at all.
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Wanna Kill
Caldari Amplified Pain
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Posted - 2010.04.21 23:12:00 -
[709]
Originally by: Dmitri Harkonnen Edited by: Dmitri Harkonnen on 21/04/2010 23:03:13
Originally by: Jeremey Have Pandemic Legion used that illegal mod during Alliance Tournament?
No - there is simply no room to use these exploits there. Tournament is overwatched by GMs and public, and we saw that they were in local and didn't jump at all.
Some upstanding players have previously delivered proof that PL are cheaters, why wouldnt they use their hacks to get into the opposing team's comms? ----------
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Kaatje Thaxathinadin
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Posted - 2010.04.21 23:16:00 -
[710]
I'd just like to say that none of my corp members have used this so my knowledge, but I do have access to the forum section and IRC channel they use to talk about it.
The sphere app is made by an estonian guy who used to be in RA. He got help from kugu with decyphering the app stream and the leaked client source files. Rumors have it a CCP dev left his laptop alone and someone at fanfest put a trojan on it with a USB stick .
22:59 <@xxangelxx> lol 22:59 <@xxangelxx> they will never prove it 22:59 <@xxangelxx> not more exploit than russians do when they do a loggonski 22:59 <@xxangelxx> if i didnt risk my accounts i would do it too 23:05 <WisemanAri> I will not be part of this. bye 23:08 -!- WisemanAri [[email protected]] has quit [QUIT: ]
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Runar Silvertejp
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Posted - 2010.04.21 23:22:00 -
[711]
Originally by: Dmitri Harkonnen Edited by: Dmitri Harkonnen on 21/04/2010 23:03:13
Originally by: Jeremey Have Pandemic Legion used that illegal mod during Alliance Tournament?
No - there is simply no room to use these exploits there. Tournament is overwatched by GMs and public, and we saw that they were in local and didn't jump at all.
Actually if what the russians are claiming is true, theres no problem to use the fleets built in "what ship are you now in"-feature to find out what the opposing team is fielding prior to the start of a match...!
Knowing this wasnt a feature in the last tourny, i do beleave that PL could abuse it this time and should therefore be stopped from entering this years tour!
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Cartune
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Posted - 2010.04.21 23:22:00 -
[712]
Originally by: Rawr Cristina
Originally by: Dabo Girl
Originally by: karttoon
I've found a few ways to improve The Sphere app...I'll keep you guys posted.
Ban PL Ban Macros Remove Local
kthnx [:|
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Salastil
Gallente ElitistOps Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.04.21 23:24:00 -
[713]
Don't act high and mighty babbling about some form of justice on him or any PL member being banned. We're just going the route that CCP refuses to go. We're going to fix the blight in 0.0 space with or without their assistance. We've petitioned and done everything within mechanics we could possibly do to stymie this problem, we've taken our own skill which is superior to CCP's own developers and come up with solutions to both the lag, fps and botting problem with our custom UI.
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dumpertt
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Posted - 2010.04.21 23:24:00 -
[714]
Originally by: Kaatje Thaxathinadin I'd just like to say that none of my corp members have used this so my knowledge, but I do have access to the forum section and IRC channel they use to talk about it.
The sphere app is made by an estonian guy who used to be in RA. He got help from kugu with decyphering the app stream and the leaked client source files. Rumors have it a CCP dev left his laptop alone and someone at fanfest put a trojan on it with a USB stick .
22:59 <@xxangelxx> lol 22:59 <@xxangelxx> they will never prove it 22:59 <@xxangelxx> not more exploit than russians do when they do a loggonski 22:59 <@xxangelxx> if i didnt risk my accounts i would do it too 23:05 <WisemanAri> I will not be part of this. bye 23:08 -!- WisemanAri [[email protected]] has quit [QUIT: ]
so... now monkey isn't a PL hero. he is just an estonian guy from RA. and sphere app does exist!
вотэтапаварот!
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Marlona Sky
D00M. RED.OverLord
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Posted - 2010.04.21 23:26:00 -
[715]
You mean a goon was behind an exploit? Well, who could have predicted this...
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Jeremey
Glittering Dust
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Posted - 2010.04.21 23:27:00 -
[716]
Originally by: Dmitri Harkonnen No - there is simply no room to use these exploits there. Tournament is overwatched by GMs and public, and we saw that they were in local and didn't jump at all.
I'm talking about not no-local exploit, but about their illegal UI mod, which itself is EULA violation and can give advantage during tournament battle.
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Ensa Rai
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Posted - 2010.04.21 23:29:00 -
[717]
Originally by: Salastil Don't act high and mighty babbling about some form of justice on him or any PL member being banned. We're just going the route that CCP refuses to go. We're going to fix the blight in 0.0 space with or without their assistance. We've petitioned and done everything within mechanics we could possibly do to stymie this problem, we've taken our own skill which is superior to CCP's own developers and come up with solutions to both the lag, fps and botting problem with our custom UI.
You're like space cops!
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Salastil
Gallente ElitistOps Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.04.21 23:30:00 -
[718]
Originally by: Marlona Sky You mean a goon was behind an exploit? Well, who could have predicted this...
Evemon was considered an exploit when Six Anari made that too.
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MatrixSkye Mk2
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.04.21 23:31:00 -
[719]
Originally by: Salastil Don't act high and mighty babbling about some form of justice on him or any PL member being banned. We're just going the route that CCP refuses to go. We're going to fix the blight in 0.0 space with or without their assistance. We've petitioned and done everything within mechanics we could possibly do to stymie this problem, we've taken our own skill which is superior to CCP's own developers and come up with solutions to both the lag, fps and botting problem with our custom UI.
Wow! Pandemic Legion just keeps sinking to new lows.
Go ahead and justify your cheating however you want. I'll give you credit for at least moving from damage control (somewhat) to "well, we did cuz we just had to".
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FOl2TY8
GoonWaffe SOLODRAKBANSOLODRAKBANSO
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Posted - 2010.04.21 23:34:00 -
[720]
Originally by: Salastil
Originally by: Marlona Sky You mean a goon was behind an exploit? Well, who could have predicted this...
Evemon was considered an exploit when Six Anari made that too.
I look forward to your new UI and local exploits being eventually praised by CCP.
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Salastil
Gallente ElitistOps Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.04.21 23:37:00 -
[721]
Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2
Originally by: Salastil Don't act high and mighty babbling about some form of justice on him or any PL member being banned. We're just going the route that CCP refuses to go. We're going to fix the blight in 0.0 space with or without their assistance. We've petitioned and done everything within mechanics we could possibly do to stymie this problem, we've taken our own skill which is superior to CCP's own developers and come up with solutions to both the lag, fps and botting problem with our custom UI.
Wow! Pandemic Legion just keeps sinking to new lows.
Go ahead and justify your cheating however you want. I'll give you credit for at least moving from damage control (somewhat) to "well, we did cuz we just had to".
The source code hasn't been updated since 2003 for the UI, blame CCP for a terrible game experience not us. When it leaked anyone was free to download it. However, only we made use of it to improve our game experience to levels acceptable by the rest of the MMO community. Even the spaceship game by Derek Smart has better UI than this heap. It's beyond time for them to give access to the API in the UI and allow the userbase to create decent UI similar to what WoW had done.
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SetrakDark
DarkCorp Holdings
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Posted - 2010.04.21 23:37:00 -
[722]
Quality PL trolling all day.
To whom do I send ISK for the entertainment?
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MisterAl tt1
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Posted - 2010.04.21 23:39:00 -
[723]
I think we have come to the point, where the community has the right to DEMAND official commentaries from CCP!
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Mistress Frome
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.04.21 23:45:00 -
[724]
All isk goes to me, tia
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Romale
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.04.21 23:46:00 -
[725]
Originally by: Jeremey New video from Ellatan about exploit.
is ellatan russian? because after seeing all the hacksploiting they have magically just invented to create videos of i don't feel comfortable downloading a video from them.
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RuleoftheBone
Minmatar The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.04.21 23:49:00 -
[726]
Originally by: Salastil Even the spaceship game by Derek Smart has better UI than this heap.
I snorted my cocoa reading this one. ~derek smart~ indeed .
This thread is easily the best in years.
Free Monkeysphere!
p.s. "one born every minute"
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Orephia
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Posted - 2010.04.21 23:50:00 -
[727]
& Grath was willing to sell me his bridge, losing his only place to sleep, to keep covering this PL UI up...epic sacrifice to the cause |
Xiaver Xenobytes
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2010.04.21 23:55:00 -
[728]
Edited by: Xiaver Xenobytes on 21/04/2010 23:55:25
Originally by: Salastil Don't act high and mighty babbling about some form of justice on him or any PL member being banned. We're just going the route that CCP refuses to go. We're going to fix the blight in 0.0 space with or without their assistance. We've petitioned and done everything within mechanics we could possibly do to stymie this problem, we've taken our own skill which is superior to CCP's own developers and come up with solutions to both the lag, fps and botting problem with our custom UI.
As a paying customer with several accounts it is outrageous that you have the PL alliance admitting to using game breaking exploits in game !
Ban, Ban, Ban and don't stop until the ban bat is broken and the PL corpse has turned into mushy hambuger meat and there is no more PL!!
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FOl2TY8
GoonWaffe SOLODRAKBANSOLODRAKBANSO
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Posted - 2010.04.21 23:55:00 -
[729]
Originally by: RuleoftheBone
p.s. "one born every minute"
heh
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Ranka Mei
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.04.21 23:58:00 -
[730]
Edited by: Ranka Mei on 22/04/2010 00:00:21
Originally by: Salastil Don't act high and mighty babbling about some form of justice on him or any PL member being banned. We're just going the route that CCP refuses to go. We're going to fix the blight in 0.0 space with or without their assistance. We've petitioned and done everything within mechanics we could possibly do to stymie this problem, we've taken our own skill which is superior to CCP's own developers and come up with solutions to both the lag, fps and botting problem with our custom UI.
This is as close to a full confession we'll probably see from you guys. I sincerely hope CCP is reading along carefully.
And don't act all high and mighty about hacking the system because you want to rid EVE of bots. That Robin Hood act is wearing very thin.
Originally by: Kaatje Thaxathinadin I'd just like to say that none of my corp members have used this so my knowledge, but I do have access to the forum section and IRC channel they use to talk about it.
Wow, what a change in tone! Beginning to distance yourselves from this whole mess, are ya? :) No more denial, no more derailing attempts. What a relief. It's honest, though; I'll give ya that.
Your fellow corp member so much as admitted to having taken matters into your own hands because you guys didn't like the way CCP wasn't solving the bot problem for you fast enough. If CCP is going to keep ignoring this, then they might as well give up the pretence that hacking is illegal. -- Gorgeous, delicious, deculture! |
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karttoon
ElitistOps Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.04.22 00:03:00 -
[731]
Originally by: Dabo Girl Alright fellas. I am a PL member, but I'd rather not disclose exactly who I am at this point. PL has developed an internal application known as "The Sphere", which is what MS has been using to 'test' killing botters. I don't have access to the sub-forums to which they are developing this stuff, but someone who did sent me a post that karttoon made the other day with some research on the futher development of the application. I am completely against the creation of eve exploits, so I've decided to release this for you guys to use to help put a stop to this bull****.
Originally by: karttoon
I've found a few ways to improve The Sphere app, but there is still a ton of investigation/work to be done. Injecting the raw IRCD command to join the local channel seems to work 100% of the time using the #local.<system name> channel-set. It appears that issue the app seemed to be running into was that the eve IRCD is developed to be case sensitive for local channels. I'm working on a flat file database list that contains all of the correct cases as placed in the IRCD. If the injection joined the incorrect local channel (which didn't really exist), then the client would disconnect on aggression, causing you to float in space with your **** in your hand. It seems that Monkeys connection issues related to some of his comedy losses were related to the fact he actually didn't join local prior to aggressing on the target. If I can get someone in a covops to roam around and capture the raw packet logs I'll run it through the perl script I wrote to parse the correct system names. At a minimum, we need to do this for all of the eastern and southern systems.
Problem two I looked at is where we are only obtaining a 50% success rate in actually dropping the join channel, variable based on who is testing this. This seems to be due to the fact that the virtual NIC drivers that monkey developed have issued the drop packet command after the packet has already been sent to the server. This is variable by CPU load of the client, network utilization, ping times, and luck. There is no easy way to solve this without completely lagging out the client with a full custom in-line packet inspector. There are some commercial applications that have this functionality for other purposes, and are extremely efficient. Software wise, NOD32 has both built in memory and packet inspection technologies that I think I can tap into to drop entering local. I don't think it will be easy to specify the system, but at a minimum I'm sure I can get it to not join 'any' local channels, where you'd then have to issue the manual injection technique for each system (annoying, but not a huge deal unless you plan to burn around quickly). The second option is to use hardware between your computer and the server, which isn't very practical for anyone. Managing encryption keys for the sessions is also a ton of effort to program. McAfee intrushield hardware (costly unless you get a used unsupported device), or potentially modified snort may be able to do this for us. I'd rather look into this as a last resort since this would either require a virtual machine to be running, adding lag, or additional hardware.
Some irrelevant random points: Toying around I've also discovered ways to join multiple local channels and speak in them remotely, but you randomly get disconnected from the server when doing this. I think it has something to do with CCP's desynch detection code. Private group channels appear to use the +k IRC setting, which means you can't snoop on random channels unless you actually know the channel password. How they've implemented the 'allow' or 'deny' list for the channel is still unknown to me at this point. If I can figure it out, perhaps I can bypass the key requirement with further injections. I'm a bit busy for the next few days doing other things, but I'll keep you guys posted.
Obvious troll.
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MisterAl tt1
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Posted - 2010.04.22 00:06:00 -
[732]
orly?
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Midjutetur
Blood Covenant Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.04.22 00:06:00 -
[733]
Originally by: Ranka Mei Edited by: Ranka Mei on 22/04/2010 00:00:21
Originally by: Salastil Don't act high and mighty babbling about some form of justice on him or any PL member being banned. We're just going the route that CCP refuses to go. We're going to fix the blight in 0.0 space with or without their assistance. We've petitioned and done everything within mechanics we could possibly do to stymie this problem, we've taken our own skill which is superior to CCP's own developers and come up with solutions to both the lag, fps and botting problem with our custom UI.
This is as close to a full confession we'll probably see from you guys. I sincerely hope CCP is reading along carefully.
And don't act all high and mighty about hacking the system because you want to rid EVE of bots. That Robin Hood act is wearing very thin.
Originally by: Kaatje Thaxathinadin I'd just like to say that none of my corp members have used this so my knowledge, but I do have access to the forum section and IRC channel they use to talk about it.
Wow, what a change in tone! Beginning to distance yourselves from this whole mess, are ya? :) No more denial, no more derailing attempts. What a relief. It's honest, though; I'll give ya that.
Your fellow corp member so much as admitted to having taken matters into your own hands because you guys didn't like the way CCP wasn't solving the bot problem for you fast enough. If CCP is going to keep ignoring this, then they might as well give up the pretence that hacking is illegal.
bro, you are like a gold source that never stops giving
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Ranka Mei
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.04.22 00:10:00 -
[734]
Originally by: Midjutetur
bro, you are like a gold source that never stops giving
Laugh it up, dude. Somehow I think your corp's days are numbered. :) -- Gorgeous, delicious, deculture! |
MatrixSkye Mk2
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.04.22 00:13:00 -
[735]
Originally by: karttoon Obvious troll.
I'd start packing if I were you. Your days are numbered.
Grief a PVP'er. Run a mission today! |
I SoStoned
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.04.22 00:17:00 -
[736]
25 pages and not a peep from GMs or even Devs.
The plot thickens.
Where can I get this app? :D --- Dreamer: My dream, Freddy! MY RULES. Freddy Kruger: *groans* Awwwww, f**k. --- Never give up! |
Salastil
Gallente ElitistOps Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.04.22 00:19:00 -
[737]
Originally by: I SoStoned 25 pages and not a peep from GMs or even Devs.
The plot thickens.
Where can I get this app? :D
It can only be launched from a script on the PL.com forums. You literally need the website open when launching Eve for the inject to work. This is why you'll never see it outside of PL ranks.
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Imran
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.04.22 00:19:00 -
[738]
lool! __________________________________________ EwokPoacher: Why hate Gallente? Blackest Sheep: Because we are beautiful.
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Builder Bess
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Posted - 2010.04.22 00:24:00 -
[739]
[x] This thread delivers
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MisterAl tt1
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Posted - 2010.04.22 00:24:00 -
[740]
Edited by: MisterAl tt1 on 22/04/2010 00:24:38
Originally by: Salastil
Originally by: I SoStoned 25 pages and not a peep from GMs or even Devs.
The plot thickens.
Where can I get this app? :D
It can only be launched from a script on the PL.com forums. You literally need the website open when launching Eve for the inject to work. This is why you'll never see it outside of PL ranks.
Lol. Tell that to those, who found out the mechanic behind it. They just keep it in the bag to give the CCP some time to fix it. But if the CCP play blind - it looks like the demon will be released for them to see it.
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I SoStoned
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.04.22 00:25:00 -
[741]
Edited by: I SoStoned on 22/04/2010 00:25:07
Originally by: Salastil
Originally by: I SoStoned 25 pages and not a peep from GMs or even Devs.
The plot thickens.
Where can I get this app? :D
It can only be launched from a script on the PL.com forums. You literally need the website open when launching Eve for the inject to work. This is why you'll never see it outside of PL ranks.
This is Eve. Someone will yank the code and patch around it soon enough, then it'll be wormhole space everywhere.
Imagine it... you jump into local, you're all alone and warp to a belt. Holy Jebus on a crutch, there's twenty hulks and three rorquals here!!!11one --- Dreamer: My dream, Freddy! MY RULES. Freddy Kruger: *groans* Awwwww, f**k. --- Never give up! |
Hratli Smirks
GoonWaffe SOLODRAKBANSOLODRAKBANSO
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Posted - 2010.04.22 00:26:00 -
[742]
Originally by: Kaatje Thaxathinadin I'd just like to say
Sup Kaatje
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Sellmewarez
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Posted - 2010.04.22 00:27:00 -
[743]
dumb people can be so dumb
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Lady Spank
Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta
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Posted - 2010.04.22 00:34:00 -
[744]
I thought you had to be vaguely intelligent to play this game. Obviously not. ~_~
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Xyzox
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Posted - 2010.04.22 00:41:00 -
[745]
I just got the source linked. Send me 500mill and Ill give you all the info on the source.
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I SoStoned
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.04.22 00:48:00 -
[746]
Originally by: Xyzox I just got the source linked. Send me 500mill and Ill give you all the info on the source.
Send me the code and if it works I'll... think about sending you 500m real, real hard. --- Dreamer: My dream, Freddy! MY RULES. Freddy Kruger: *groans* Awwwww, f**k. --- Never give up! |
Lachesis Moirae
Gallente Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.04.22 00:52:00 -
[747]
Originally by: I SoStoned
Originally by: Xyzox I just got the source linked. Send me 500mill and Ill give you all the info on the source.
Send me the code and if it works I'll... think about sending you 500m real, real hard.
How about you send me 10b, and I'll give it to you. No one with access to it would be selling it for only 500m.
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fpshacker
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2010.04.22 01:19:00 -
[748]
oh no someone is killing the russian's macro ratting drakes?
this must be stopped
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Tonto Auri
Vhero' Multipurpose Corp
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Posted - 2010.04.22 01:26:00 -
[749]
Originally by: The Crushah Anybody here care to make a bet?
I got 100M ISK that says what Monkeysphere is doing is legit within the mechanics of the game and no banning will occur.
Anybody care to take me up on this? Come on, ya bunch of wussies.
I take your bet. It's as legit as GM console could be. Who got the hands on it is not a question of legitimacy, right? -- Thanks CCP for cu |
WormSwarm
Gallente Spiegots
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Posted - 2010.04.22 01:27:00 -
[750]
Edited by: WormSwarm on 22/04/2010 01:27:51 There is a 2nd story to tell here
How many people that are apart of this witch hunt, are also apart of the isk sellers problem in Eve. You are dealing with people that want to protect their business, and they will do anything to have perfectly running Macros. Proof on how they will even perform exploits ingame to try and 'prove' that a player might be using a specific technique to catch their macro programs.
Proof that you can trick the client, only shows that there is a bug (if the experiment can be repeated by other parties also). But how does that tie up a player to that? Is there any proof at all by anyone that the player that has been mentioned here actually did this? Any at all?
Clearly after reading/skipping through alot of the 'content' in these 25/26 pages, there is No Proof. But there is 'proof' that there might be a bug.
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species2143
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Posted - 2010.04.22 01:33:00 -
[751]
Originally by: WormSwarm Edited by: WormSwarm on 22/04/2010 01:27:51 There is a 2nd story to tell here
How many people that are apart of this witch hunt, are also apart of the isk sellers problem in Eve. You are dealing with people that want to protect their business, and they will do anything to have perfectly running Macros. Proof on how they will even perform exploits ingame to try and 'prove' that a player might be using a specific technique to catch their macro programs.
Proof that you can trick the client, only shows that there is a bug (if the experiment can be repeated by other parties also). But how does that tie up a player to that? Is there any proof at all by anyone that the player that has been mentioned here actually did this? Any at all?
Clearly after reading/skipping through alot of the 'content' in these 25/26 pages, there is No Proof. But there is 'proof' that there might be a bug.
Dunno decide for yourself here
Read the last post then make your decision.... Signature removed not EVE related - Adida |
Tonto Auri
Vhero' Multipurpose Corp
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Posted - 2010.04.22 01:37:00 -
[752]
Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha
Quote:
Monkey killed a lot of macro users and there were no troubles. But his recent victims were good russian pilots (not macrousers)! That's why russians began this thread
I suppose a non macro user who went attacked by an "invisible" player would immediately post a screenshot showing his ship being attacked / blown up while in local no one else is apparently present. I know I'd do.
What's preventing those "good pilots" from doing that?
You know, what? When i'm attacked, the LAST thing i'd think about is making screenshots. I don't think many normal players would do otherwise. -- Thanks CCP for cu |
MatrixSkye Mk2
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.04.22 01:45:00 -
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Edited by: MatrixSkye Mk2 on 22/04/2010 01:48:55
Originally by: WormSwarm There is a 2nd story to tell here
How many people that are apart of this witch hunt, are also apart of the isk sellers problem in Eve. You are dealing with people that want to protect their business, and they will do anything to have perfectly running Macros. Proof on how they will even perform exploits ingame to try and 'prove' that a player might be using a specific technique to catch their macro programs.
Proof that you can trick the client, only shows that there is a bug (if the experiment can be repeated by other parties also). But how does that tie up a player to that? Is there any proof at all by anyone that the player that has been mentioned here actually did this? Any at all?
Clearly after reading/skipping through alot of the 'content' in these 25/26.
The thing is PL themselves can admit to cheating (which by the way, some already have) and there will still be those that hold them in such high regards that they won't believe. Monkeysphere himself can admit to it. Or hell, someone can post a video of him doing it and it still won't matter. You'll claim it's fake, doctored, or whatever.
And when finally no one's buying the damage control stories anymore, a switch in strategy will be made to "well, can you blame us for cheating?", "we had to do it, we had no choice", and "we're the victims in all this".
Point is, for some, it doesn't matter that they cheat. There will always be that attitude from some of you "they're cool and badass and good for them for doing it HAHA!1".
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WormSwarm
Gallente Spiegots
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Posted - 2010.04.22 01:53:00 -
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Edited by: WormSwarm on 22/04/2010 01:54:41 Edited by: WormSwarm on 22/04/2010 01:54:21 Clearly either you can't read or your playing dumb for a reason.
I'm just asking, How does proving a bug exist, prove that this player was doing it?
Linking to his stack of km's is not proof.
Use reason and logic, and if there is any proof that links exploits with that person. Then clearly something should be done. But since there is only proof that a exploit exists. Then what is on with the continuation of linking this person to using exploits?
To me this looks purely as a witch hunt, and as people that live in the 21st century, maybe we should of known better to not do such things? We should know better from those before us.
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Tonto Auri
Vhero' Multipurpose Corp
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Posted - 2010.04.22 02:01:00 -
[755]
Originally by: Ranka Mei
This is exactly the sort of thing I suspected a few pages back.
Client-server uses UDP to transmit packets.
EVE uses TCP, not UDP. Last time I checked, at least.
Quote: It's in the nature of UDP (as broadcasting protocol) that packets aren't waited for,
You're discussing different kinds of "packets", than what used in game exploits. The transport (TCP) packets and game protocol packets are two different things. I suspect that CCP's fault is that they incapsulate two protocols withing single connection without consistency checking. In this light, you seems to be able to safely separate "chat" stream from "game" stream without breaking the TCP tunnel. -- Thanks CCP for cu |
Zofran
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Posted - 2010.04.22 02:03:00 -
[756]
Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2
Originally by: Flinx Evenstar Loving this thread, so many rabbits, looking down holes, none of them saw the shotgun.
MatrixSkye do you remember why you are called MatrixSkye 2. I do.
Do you really? I biomassed Mk1 only to then realize I'd like to keep him around. Hence, Mk2. Don't remember telling anyone though. But there you have it. Now if only Pandemic Legion was as forthcoming :) But I suppose that would be too much to ask for, so carry on with the obvious thread derailment. Your cheat is out in the open now.
m8, never forget where you come from.
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WormSwarm
Gallente Spiegots
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Posted - 2010.04.22 02:04:00 -
[757]
The PL guys that 'confirmed', were trolling you mate.
But thx for proving the fact, there is no proof linking the exploit with any player actually using it, besides the guys that discovered it in the video.
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Tibalt Avalon
Suck my Titan
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Posted - 2010.04.22 02:07:00 -
[758]
Farewell! Hardstyle Ambassador |
MisterAl tt1
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Posted - 2010.04.22 02:08:00 -
[759]
WormSwarm, give, plz, another POSSIBLE in the current game mechanics explanation of the KB-look and accuse all those people, claiming they were attacked in the way, of lying.
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Hulkageddon
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Posted - 2010.04.22 02:09:00 -
[760]
IBTL
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WormSwarm
Gallente Spiegots
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Posted - 2010.04.22 02:12:00 -
[761]
m1ster,
If my only interest in eve was to kill ratters, and not be involved in any fleet warfare. What kind of km's do you think I would be getting?
If someone has that much time on their hands, you seriously dont believe a determined 'killer' will get the results?
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Mr Kidd
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Posted - 2010.04.22 02:15:00 -
[762]
Originally by: I SoStoned Edited by: I SoStoned on 22/04/2010 00:25:07
Originally by: Salastil
Originally by: I SoStoned 25 pages and not a peep from GMs or even Devs.
The plot thickens.
Where can I get this app? :D
It can only be launched from a script on the PL.com forums. You literally need the website open when launching Eve for the inject to work. This is why you'll never see it outside of PL ranks.
This is Eve. Someone will yank the code and patch around it soon enough, then it'll be wormhole space everywhere.
Imagine it... you jump into local, you're all alone and warp to a belt. Holy Jebus on a crutch, there's twenty hulks and three rorquals here!!!11one
I've got dibs on the movie rights.
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Tonto Auri
Vhero' Multipurpose Corp
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Posted - 2010.04.22 02:23:00 -
[763]
Originally by: species2143
Dude take a chill pill, the issue has just recently been brought out in the open and already you're putting pressure onto CCP? FFS, they need to verify it and if you had any clue about how the client-side application works, you'd know CCP is not a GESTPO that logs everything you do... in fact it's the very opposite.
For example, in two games I've been working for, they DO LOG EVERYTHING. Every your shell spent, every point of cap used, everything is logged. For thousands of characters interacting in the game world. For exactly this same reason - to track player actions and have data on hand if anything goes wrong. I understand that EVE is "a bit" bigger in scale, but so it spreaded across the cluster, and every single node load is relatively small and very comparable to the load of single game server of any other "MMO" game (frankly, after EVE, no other game feels even close to the first "M" in "MMO" to be prepended by that abbreviation without quotes). Thus I can't see why it's not possible to log every action performed on a node. -- Thanks CCP for cu |
Admiral RAGE
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Posted - 2010.04.22 02:28:00 -
[764]
Originally by: Tonto Auri
Originally by: species2143
Dude take a chill pill, the issue has just recently been brought out in the open and already you're putting pressure onto CCP? FFS, they need to verify it and if you had any clue about how the client-side application works, you'd know CCP is not a GESTPO that logs everything you do... in fact it's the very opposite.
For example, in two games I've been working for, they DO LOG EVERYTHING. Every your shell spent, every point of cap used, everything is logged. For thousands of characters interacting in the game world. For exactly this same reason - to track player actions and have data on hand if anything goes wrong. I understand that EVE is "a bit" bigger in scale, but so it spreaded across the cluster, and every single node load is relatively small and very comparable to the load of single game server of any other "MMO" game (frankly, after EVE, no other game feels even close to the first "M" in "MMO" to be prepended by that abbreviation without quotes). Thus I can't see why it's not possible to log every action performed on a node.
how do you know the logs don't show it? Have you seen the logs? I'm pretty sure that like the rest of the thread, this is all based on ******ed suppositions and no remotely concrete evidence.
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Kosmos Stasmos
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Posted - 2010.04.22 02:29:00 -
[765]
Originally by: WormSwarm Edited by: WormSwarm on 22/04/2010 01:54:41 Edited by: WormSwarm on 22/04/2010 01:54:21 Clearly either you can't read or your playing dumb for a reason.
I'm just asking, How does proving a bug exist, prove that this player was doing it?
Linking to his stack of km's is not proof.
Use reason and logic, and if there is any proof that links exploits with that person. Then clearly something should be done. But since there is only proof that a exploit exists. Then what is on with the continuation of linking this person to using exploits?
To me this looks purely as a witch hunt, and as people that live in the 21st century, maybe we should of known better to not do such things? We should know better from those before us.
There are already people that STATED THE TRUTH!
This is not the time nor place for logic
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WormSwarm
Gallente Spiegots
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Posted - 2010.04.22 02:31:00 -
[766]
Alot of Fox News viewers in this thread eh
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Hulkageddon
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Posted - 2010.04.22 02:33:00 -
[767]
I was thinking MSNBC
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WormSwarm
Gallente Spiegots
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Posted - 2010.04.22 02:37:00 -
[768]
MSNBC didn't burn to the ground?
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Lady Karma
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Posted - 2010.04.22 02:41:00 -
[769]
Have the guys hacking the client managed to make a fraps yet where they are not in local and then appear just before they scramble the macro bot? Don't they all say he is local when he tackles them, bit like what happens when you log in...
The hack they are using to make the crappy "proof" vids needs a restart before the pilot appears in local. So basically nothing like what monkey is doing unless he can manage to relog his client while still keeping the bot tackled, maybe that's another exploit you should look into.
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Kosmos Stasmos
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Posted - 2010.04.22 02:48:00 -
[770]
Ban them all!
That summarizes Russian train of thought itt
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Tonto Auri
Vhero' Multipurpose Corp
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Posted - 2010.04.22 02:53:00 -
[771]
Originally by: Zeba
Originally by: dumpertt not all americans are exploiters, however a lot of cheats are used by them.
Don't blame america for our immigrants actions. Sheesh do you expect us to change their cultural ways overnight just because they moved here?
Didn't you forgot that 90% of americans are immigrants? Or who's native american people? -- Thanks CCP for cu |
Ellatan Deruimte
Surreal corp Stain Empire
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Posted - 2010.04.22 03:13:00 -
[772]
Originally by: Lady Karma Have the guys hacking the client managed to make a fraps yet where they are not in local and then appear just before they scramble the macro bot? Don't they all say he is local when he tackles them, bit like what happens when you log in...
The hack they are using to make the crappy "proof" vids needs a restart before the pilot appears in local. So basically nothing like what monkey is doing unless he can manage to relog his client while still keeping the bot tackled, maybe that's another exploit you should look into.
No, the guy in the video didn't have to restart his client to do this. He was in local chat when I came into the system, then he jumped out and jumped back in after about 10 seconds, no longer appearing in local chat.
I never asked him to "reappear" again, but I'm pretty sure it's doable.
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Lady Karma
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Posted - 2010.04.22 03:25:00 -
[773]
Originally by: Ellatan Deruimte
I never asked him to "reappear" again, but I'm pretty sure it's doable.
I'm pretty too.
So I can expect the fraps of someone being invisible and then appearing as he scrambles the bot tomorrow, or shall I call the date off.
Or maybe, how about the fraps or a screen shot of the accused doing it, and not the same old pictures of macro bots incriminating themselves by demonstrating their ability to manipulate the client.
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Tonto Auri
Vhero' Multipurpose Corp
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Posted - 2010.04.22 03:27:00 -
[774]
Originally by: Admiral RAGE
Originally by: Tonto Auri
Originally by: species2143
Dude take a chill pill, the issue has just recently been brought out in the open and already you're putting pressure onto CCP? FFS, they need to verify it and if you had any clue about how the client-side application works, you'd know CCP is not a GESTPO that logs everything you do... in fact it's the very opposite.
For example, in two games I've been working for, they DO LOG EVERYTHING. Every your shell spent, every point of cap used, everything is logged. For thousands of characters interacting in the game world. For exactly this same reason - to track player actions and have data on hand if anything goes wrong. I understand that EVE is "a bit" bigger in scale, but so it spreaded across the cluster, and every single node load is relatively small and very comparable to the load of single game server of any other "MMO" game (frankly, after EVE, no other game feels even close to the first "M" in "MMO" to be prepended by that abbreviation without quotes). Thus I can't see why it's not possible to log every action performed on a node.
how do you know the logs don't show it? Have you seen the logs? I'm pretty sure that like the rest of the thread, this is all based on ******ed suppositions and no remotely concrete evidence.
TL;DR: WTS Reading Comprehension skillbooks.
If this was addressed to me, I didn't said anything like this. I was just giving an example of how things works where I know. I didn't even said if CCP is doing the same, or not, or should/not do this. I merely stated that I don't see an issue with logging EVE player actions done ingame. If not, then could you please do some hand magic to adjust your quoting appropriately? -- Thanks CCP for cu |
Grath Telkin
Amarr Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.04.22 03:28:00 -
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Originally by: Orephia & Grath was willing to sell me his bridge, losing his only place to sleep, to keep covering this PL UI up...epic sacrifice to the cause
The bridge is still for sale.
Also, who said PL can't still AoE Doomsday, look at this forum, can there be any doubt?
Chewing gum and walking is a long shot, but damn man, how do some of you even draw air?
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The Crushah
Gallente Death of Virtue MeatSausage EXPRESS
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Posted - 2010.04.22 03:30:00 -
[776]
Ya know, I wrote a script so I didnt show up in Decon local.
But it was mainly 'cause I was embarassed to be there.
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Ellatan Deruimte
Surreal corp Stain Empire
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Posted - 2010.04.22 03:31:00 -
[777]
Originally by: Lady Karma
Originally by: Ellatan Deruimte
I never asked him to "reappear" again, but I'm pretty sure it's doable.
I'm pretty too.
So I can expect the fraps of someone being invisible and then appearing as he scrambles the bot tomorrow, or shall I call the date off.
Or maybe, how about the fraps or a screen shot of the accused doing it, and not the same old pictures of macro bots incriminating themselves by demonstrating their ability to manipulate the client.
I cannot promise anything, if the guy who is able to do this will be online and willing to do more tests, I will fraps it. Although I think the evidence showed so far should be more than adequate for now. I won't be running a "bot" though, I can be in some ship, sitting in a belt and ask him to tackle me and then "reappear."
The accused haven't killed anybody ever since this thread started, and his victims failed to get any footage of the exploit prior to it. In any case even if such footage existed, it wouldn't serve as any sort of proof for CCP, they only trust their internal logs. We have multiple testimonies from a number of people describing the nature of the exploit though.
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Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2010.04.22 03:40:00 -
[778]
Originally by: Tonto Auri
Originally by: Zeba
Originally by: dumpertt not all americans are exploiters, however a lot of cheats are used by them.
Don't blame america for our immigrants actions. Sheesh do you expect us to change their cultural ways overnight just because they moved here?
Didn't you forgot that 90% of americans are immigrants? Or who's native american people?
I'm talking about the spat of immigrants ranging from around 1960 to present day. Most of them come from rather dystopian cultures so they can't be figured into the representative masses if you want to finger america for nefarious online deeds. Call back when their kids kids act like arses on teh internats.
Originally by: CCP Zymurgist Get off the forums and go kill someone!
Originally by: Amarr Supremacist Yeah, it(Jaguar) almost has cruiser level tank and gank!
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Liang Nuren
Parsec Flux
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Posted - 2010.04.22 03:59:00 -
[779]
Originally by: Zeba I'm talking about the spat of immigrants ranging from around 1960 to present day. Most of them come from rather dystopian cultures so they have to be figured into the representative masses if you want to finger america for nefarious online deeds.
Speaking as one of the true native americans... all you immigrants can just gtfo. :)
-Liang -- Liang Nuren - Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire |
Apoctasy
The Python Cartel. The Jerk Cartel
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Posted - 2010.04.22 04:03:00 -
[780]
I don't want to read this whole thread.
Someone give me the tldr __________________________________________
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Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2010.04.22 04:04:00 -
[781]
Originally by: Liang Nuren Speaking as one of the true native americans... all you immigrants can just gtfo. :)
-Liang
Then noone would come to your casinos and you would starve. Immigrants are the new buffalo.
Originally by: CCP Zymurgist Get off the forums and go kill someone!
Originally by: Amarr Supremacist Yeah, it(Jaguar) almost has cruiser level tank and gank!
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Jeremey
Glittering Dust
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Posted - 2010.04.22 04:16:00 -
[782]
Edited by: Jeremey on 22/04/2010 04:20:08
Originally by: Apoctasy I don't want to read this whole thread.
Someone give me the tldr
Russians: cheaters from PL are cheating.
PL: It's whine of starving macrofarmers!
Russians: Look, here are the screens, killmails and victim's testimonies!
PL: There is no exploit! It's just pvp kung-fu!
Russians: Look, here are video and reprosteps of exploit that does the exact same thing that you did.
PL: You will never prove that we're using that exact exploit! We're using another!
Russians: Look, exploit uses the same technology that you trolled about few pages before.
PL: Yes, we're bunch of cheaters and exploiters. Look, we have proof!
Russians: Go be fat somewhere else.
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Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2010.04.22 04:20:00 -
[783]
Originally by: Jeremey
Originally by: Apoctasy I don't want to read this whole thread.
Someone give me the tldr
Russians: cheaters from PL are cheating.
PL: It's whine of starving macrofarmers!
Russians: Look, here are the screens, killmails and victim's testimonies!
PL: There are no exploit! It's just pvp kung-fu!
Russians: Look, here are video and reprosteps of exploit that does the exact same thing that you done.
PL: You will never prove that we're using that exact exploit! We're using another!
Russians: Look, exploit uses the same technology that you trolled about few pages before.
PL: Yes, we're bunch of cheaters and exploiters. Look, we have proof!
Russians: Go be fat somewhere else.
Nice summary!
Originally by: CCP Zymurgist Get off the forums and go kill someone!
Originally by: Amarr Supremacist Yeah, it(Jaguar) almost has cruiser level tank and gank!
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Tonto Auri
Vhero' Multipurpose Corp
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Posted - 2010.04.22 04:21:00 -
[784]
Originally by: Jeremey
Originally by: Apoctasy I don't want to read this whole thread.
Someone give me the tldr
Russians: cheaters from PL are cheating.
PL: It's whine of starving macrofarmers!
Russians: Look, here are the screens, killmails and victim's testimonies!
PL: There is no exploit! It's just pvp kung-fu!
Russians: Look, here are video and reprosteps of exploit that does the exact same thing that you done.
PL: You will never prove that we're using that exact exploit! We're using another!
Russians: Look, exploit uses the same technology that you trolled about few pages before.
PL: Yes, we're bunch of cheaters and exploiters. Look, we have proof!
Russians: Go be fat somewhere else.
Nicely laid (even a bit biased) TL;DR -- Thanks CCP for cu |
Huhuhuhuhuhuh
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Posted - 2010.04.22 04:28:00 -
[785]
Originally by: Lady Karma Have the guys hacking the client managed to make a fraps yet where they are not in local and then appear just before they scramble the macro bot? Don't they all say he is local when he tackles them, bit like what happens when you log in...
The hack they are using to make the crappy "proof" vids needs a restart before the pilot appears in local. So basically nothing like what monkey is doing unless he can manage to relog his client while still keeping the bot tackled, maybe that's another exploit you should look into.
No this "hack" doesnt need restart. It requires only pressing one more button to reappear in local. If you want demonstration will be made today evening.
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Emperor Cheney
Celebrity Sex Tape
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Posted - 2010.04.22 04:30:00 -
[786]
Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha
Quote:
i think people are missing the fact that he is also killing regular players not just "macro" users
They aren't.
Those who enter 0.0 with a Golem, though, know better than go solo rat. When I was in 0.0 I would not budge without knowing corpies (or me if it was the turn) camping the bubbled gates and similar.
If these "regular players" played like 0.0 was a PvP zone and not a solo-cloak zone, they'd not lose ships, even with the exploit in place.
Listen, son
Russians don't take a dump without a plan!
(I have been waiting all thread for an opportunity to say that.)
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Fallon Windskimmer
Dedicated Inactivity Trans-Stellar Industries
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Posted - 2010.04.22 04:33:00 -
[787]
Originally by: Emperor Cheney
Listen, son
Russians don't take a dump without a plan!
I have been waiting all thread for an opportunity to say that.)
Ok, so, this is from one of my favorite movies. I won't ask Emperor to reply, but challenge to anyone know knows what this is from.
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Tonto Auri
Vhero' Multipurpose Corp
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Posted - 2010.04.22 05:00:00 -
[788]
Edited by: Tonto Auri on 22/04/2010 05:01:05
Originally by: Huhuhuhuhuhuh
Originally by: Lady Karma Have the guys hacking the client managed to make a fraps yet where they are not in local and then appear just before they scramble the macro bot? Don't they all say he is local when he tackles them, bit like what happens when you log in...
The hack they are using to make the crappy "proof" vids needs a restart before the pilot appears in local. So basically nothing like what monkey is doing unless he can manage to relog his client while still keeping the bot tackled, maybe that's another exploit you should look into.
No this "hack" doesnt need restart. It requires only pressing one more button to reappear in local. If you want demonstration will be made today evening.
Invite her in testing to save you time convincing again and again. -- Thanks CCP for cu |
Chibi Chi
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Posted - 2010.04.22 06:09:00 -
[789]
Russkies never sleep, they are watching at you where ever u are. Do not foget about it.
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Grath Telkin
Amarr Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.04.22 07:09:00 -
[790]
Originally by: Jeremey Edited by: Jeremey on 22/04/2010 04:20:08
Originally by: Apoctasy I don't want to read this whole thread.
Someone give me the tldr
Russians: cheaters from PL are cheating.
PL: It's whine of starving macrofarmers!
Russians: Look, here are the screens, killmails and victim's testimonies!
PL: There is no exploit! It's just pvp kung-fu!
Russians: Look, here are video and reprosteps of exploit that does the exact same thing that you did.
PL: You will never prove that we're using that exact exploit! We're using another!
Russians: Look, exploit uses the same technology that you trolled about few pages before.
PL: Yes, we're bunch of cheaters and exploiters. Look, we have proof!
Russians: Go be fat somewhere else.
Thats pretty accurate, except the part where, you know, your completely wrong and went out of you way to hack the client on your own accord, even though your own comrades were telling you on your russian forums that you should just shut up and learn to play.
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Certero
Hades and Charon funeral parlour
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Posted - 2010.04.22 07:12:00 -
[791]
Edited by: Certero on 22/04/2010 07:13:10
Originally by: Grath Telkin ...even though your own comrades were telling you on your russian forums that you should just shut up and learn to play.
link please. Or you just continue trolling??? Didn't see anything on russain forums.
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar Vahrokh Consulting
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Posted - 2010.04.22 07:18:00 -
[792]
Quote:
This is as close to a full confession we'll probably see from you guys. I sincerely hope CCP is reading along carefully.
Sorry to break in the e-drama, but I think you and others got very succesfully trolled.
Not only trolled, but also a number of people here have been socially engineered into going beyond simple "macro" usage (that CCP CBA to pursue enough since they earn money on that) and developing a real and grave exploit engine, to dig yourself a deeper hole for CCP to see.
Quote:
You know, what? When i'm attacked, the LAST thing i'd think about is making screenshots. I don't think many normal players would do otherwise
You know what? What do you do if you get insta-scrammed, insta-neuted and a Mach carves you *two* new ones? Nothing. You just die. And maybe since you have nothing better than e-rage while you die, you could as well press "print screen", it's not like it takes 10 minutes.
- Auditing & consulting
When looking for investors, please read http://tinyurl.com/n5ys4h + http://tinyurl.com/lrg4oz
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Huhuhuhuhuhuh
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Posted - 2010.04.22 07:24:00 -
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Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha
Sorry to break in the e-drama, but I think you and others got very succesfully trolled.
Not only trolled, but also a number of people here have been socially engineered into going beyond simple "macro" usage (that CCP CBA to pursue enough since they earn money on that) and developing a real and grave exploit engine, to dig yourself a deeper hole for CCP to see.
for CCP to see. for CCP to see. for CCP to see. for CCP to see.
That's exactly what i am trying to do. There is a bug and it needs to be fixed. That's all. If you ever see me or anyone else on tranq exploiting - petition immediatly. Singularity is a test server, made with intention of finding bugs and exploits. made with intention of finding bugs and exploits. with intention of finding bugs and exploits. intention of finding bugs and exploits. bugs and exploits.
bye for now.
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Jeremey
Glittering Dust
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Posted - 2010.04.22 07:26:00 -
[794]
Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha Sorry to break in the e-drama, but I think you and others got very succesfully trolled.
Captain Obvious breaks into the thread!
Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha and developing a real and grave exploit engine, to dig yourself a deeper hole for CCP to see.
What deeper hole? Detecting an exploit on test server and instantly reporting it via bugreport and petition (which has been done here by eve-ru enthusiasts) is perfectly fine.
Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha
You know what? What do you do if you get insta-scrammed, insta-neuted and a Mach carves you *two* new ones? Nothing. You just die. And maybe since you have nothing better than e-rage while you die, you could as well press "print screen", it's not like it takes 10 minutes.
You have only 55 kills and 15 losses, most of which in middle-sized roamings. How often did you press "Print Screen" when you died?
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Huhuhuhuhuhuh
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Posted - 2010.04.22 07:32:00 -
[795]
Originally by: Jeremey
What deeper hole? Detecting an exploit on test server and instantly reporting it via bugreport and petition (which has been done here by eve-ru enthusiasts) is perfectly fine.
Exactly. Test server is actually used as intended. Breaking news at 11.
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar Vahrokh Consulting
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Posted - 2010.04.22 07:43:00 -
[796]
Quote:
for CCP to see. for CCP to see. for CCP to see. for CCP to see.
That's exactly what i am trying to do.
Yes, you are putting yourself on the CCP spotlight, and this is in fact what they wanted you to do. You are not (only) showing a bug but also bringing to attention on the macro ratters that infest a sizable part of the game and this is the plan.
Quote:
You have only 55 kills and 15 losses, most of which in middle-sized roamings. How often did you press "Print Screen" when you died?
1) Never stated *I* am a leet PvPer, in fact I stopped having RL time to PvP at all (and quit corp) months ago.
2) Middle and small sized roamings are where the fun PvP in EvE is at. So I did them, and in the ships suited for them.
3) How often? Many times when I was impressed by the amount of red on the screen, never when I died. Because I factored in that going for active PvP roams = death.
The only time something did not really work (we got invaded by a massive fleet and lag happened), a CCP developer logged in our system local and had us test their "new" .ini flag to reduce low sec lag. Later (as some will probably still recall), that same flag got made public on the forums as temporary fix for the FW lag and later it became part of the official game.
4) Searching forum characters for killboards is as reliable as pretending them to be the ones owning POSes and L4 missioning boats. Hint: this is the character of mine who stayed in 0.0 for the shortest time. - Auditing & consulting
When looking for investors, please read http://tinyurl.com/n5ys4h + http://tinyurl.com/lrg4oz
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Ghost Wisperer
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Posted - 2010.04.22 07:46:00 -
[797]
Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha
Yes, you are putting yourself on the CCP spotlight, and this is in fact what they wanted you to do. You are not (only) showing a bug but also bringing to attention on the macro ratters that infest a sizable part of the game and this is the plan.
I dont care. Both exploiters and macroers spoil the game and should be eradicated. And I like being in spotlite. I am attention *****.
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar Vahrokh Consulting
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Posted - 2010.04.22 07:53:00 -
[798]
Quote:
I dont care. Both exploiters and macroers spoil the game and should be eradicated. And I like being in spotlite. I am attention *****.
YOU don't care. Others in this thread have some skeletons to hide in those big closets of theirs. Suddenly their macros stopped playing for them and they want that "Peace and Order will be restored".
But now, a series of PL trollers are making them come out and show some of those skellies bones.
It's worthwhile, bumping this thread will only reveal more bones. It's also why CCP are not touching nor locking it. They also like to see bones.
- Auditing & consulting
When looking for investors, please read http://tinyurl.com/n5ys4h + http://tinyurl.com/lrg4oz
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Seika Hitori
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Posted - 2010.04.22 07:57:00 -
[799]
We would like to hear an official response from a CCP employee that they are looking into the issue and trying to reproduce the exploit internally. We would like CCP to state that the use of such an exploit, if proven to be real, will result in the permanent ban of the character using it. We would like to do everything we can to prevent the use of this exploit from spreading to maintain the integrity of the game. CCP, please give us the acknowledgment that this issue didn't fall on deaf ears.
If you are also interested in exploit free Eve-online, support our efforts and let your voices be heard!
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Ghost Wisperer
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Posted - 2010.04.22 07:58:00 -
[800]
Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha
YOU don't care. Others in this thread have some skeletons to hide in those big closets of theirs. Suddenly their macros stopped playing for them and they want that "Peace and Order will be restored".
Link or proof please.
But now, a series of PL trollers are making them come out and show some of those skellies bones. It's worthwhile, bumping this thread will only reveal more bones. It's also why CCP are not touching nor locking it. They also like to see bones.
Personally i dont see any bones revealed save for fat trolling by PL and their alts which just derails epic thread. Care to share a link ?
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meat vapour
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Posted - 2010.04.22 08:05:00 -
[801]
bloody hell, this is the thread that just keeps on giving....
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baltec1
Antares Shipyards Aeternus.
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Posted - 2010.04.22 08:08:00 -
[802]
Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2 ALL EXPLOITS ARE BAD.
Yes all exploits are bad but I want more evidence as most of this topic is just mud flinging. I spent quite a while with that youtube vid to see if it could be faked. My conclution was that what I saw could be put down to lag as that local chat delay has happened to me a few times. I want another test done with the target in a belt.
I also dont like to see people trying to make out they are innocent victims when just about everyone knows the alliences in question have a good number of people in their own ranks who use exploits. This topic goes both ways and makes a good arguement for local in 0.0 being delayed to put an end to it all.
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Huhuhuhuhuhuh
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Posted - 2010.04.22 08:12:00 -
[803]
Originally by: baltec1
Yes all exploits are bad but I want more evidence as most of this topic is just mud flinging. I spent quite a while with that youtube vid to see if it could be faked. My conclution was that what I saw could be put down to lag as that local chat delay has happened to me a few times. I want another test done with the target in a belt.
Oh gosh. Another smartass. Do i have to demonstrate it to all the eve in person before you believe ~ Belt so be it. Ibis jumps to belt invisible in local, attacks, get concorded and then appears in local. Good enough for you, Mr. Foma ?
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar Vahrokh Consulting
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Posted - 2010.04.22 08:13:00 -
[804]
Quote:
Personally i dont see any bones revealed save for fat trolling by PL and their alts which just derails epic thread. Care to share a link ?
Ah ah I give up.
*Ponders at uranium density and finds it's not so high after all*
I'll just take a seat and enjoy the show now .
- Auditing & consulting
When looking for investors, please read http://tinyurl.com/n5ys4h + http://tinyurl.com/lrg4oz
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Huhuhuhuhuhuh
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Posted - 2010.04.22 08:18:00 -
[805]
Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha
Ah ah I give up.
*Ponders at uranium density and finds it's not so high after all*
I'll just take a seat and enjoy the show now .
So you're talking out of your ass, as its bloody easy to paste link to "radioactive" post.
Bye.
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baltec1
Antares Shipyards Aeternus.
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Posted - 2010.04.22 08:21:00 -
[806]
Originally by: Huhuhuhuhuhuh
Originally by: baltec1
Yes all exploits are bad but I want more evidence as most of this topic is just mud flinging. I spent quite a while with that youtube vid to see if it could be faked. My conclution was that what I saw could be put down to lag as that local chat delay has happened to me a few times. I want another test done with the target in a belt.
Oh gosh. Another smartass. Do i have to demonstrate it to all the eve in person before you believe ~ Belt so be it. Ibis jumps to belt invisible in local, attacks, get concorded and then appears in local. Good enough for you, Mr. Foma ?
Nothing smartass about it. If you want me convinced you have to give me the evidence to support your case. The best thing would be two vids, one from the target and one from the ibis jumping into system, scanning the belts for the target and then warping and attacking to make it as realistic as you can.
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Thabokka
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.04.22 08:23:00 -
[807]
I wonder how russkies managed to reproduce The Monkeysphere exploit that fast. They should teach CCP how to find bugs.
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Huhuhuhuhuhuh
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Posted - 2010.04.22 08:23:00 -
[808]
Originally by: baltec1
Nothing smartass about it. If you want me convinced you have to give me the evidence to support your case. The best thing would be two vids, one from the target and one from the ibis jumping into system, scanning the belts for the target and then warping and attacking to make it as realistic as you can.
Who are you to spend my valuable time and time of my associate. So. Exploit demonstration request fullfillment : 250M isk transferred to huhuhuhu and you get your video. Bye.
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baltec1
Antares Shipyards Aeternus.
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Posted - 2010.04.22 08:26:00 -
[809]
Originally by: Huhuhuhuhuhuh
Originally by: baltec1
Nothing smartass about it. If you want me convinced you have to give me the evidence to support your case. The best thing would be two vids, one from the target and one from the ibis jumping into system, scanning the belts for the target and then warping and attacking to make it as realistic as you can.
Who are you to spend my valuable time and time of my associate. So. Exploit demonstration request fullfillment : 250M isk transferred to huhuhuhu and you get your video. Bye.
See now your shooting yourself in the foot by refusing. How can you expect me to belive you?
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Certero
Hades and Charon funeral parlour
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Posted - 2010.04.22 08:29:00 -
[810]
Originally by: baltec1
See now your shooting yourself in the foot by refusing. How can you expect me to belive you?
Why do you think anybody needs you to belive? Who are you? We need CCP to belive and to fix bugs. Don't worry we don't interesting in your support.
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Vaal Erit
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2010.04.22 08:29:00 -
[811]
I hate to ruin this great thread full of bot users crying cheat, but it has gone on long enough.
Monkeysphere is not cheating at all. I'm no PL member or PL spy or have been anywhere near PL or the Monkeysphere but I'm pretty sure I know what he is doing. He's using a technique that only works on macro/botters (and maybe real people that are semi-afk ratting). I've done this but never got the timing down just right, but it looks like the monkeysphere has got it down perfectly.
Basically when a bot sees a hostile in local, it warps to a safe then waits for the hostile to leave. Monkeysphere logs off (he does it fast hence the "he's not in local whine) in a belt and the bot warps back to the belt since the hostile is out of local. Monekysphere logs back on and times it so his ship is ewarping back to the belt as the macro is warping back to the belt. The macro gets tackled and popped. Then he apparently whines on the fourm and accuses Monkeysphere of cheating. OP is a botter or has some other illegal program in my opinion and should gtfo.
TL:DR It's a log on trap, but an extremely well timed one that is aimed at bot/macro users. Props to The Monkeysphere in all honesty and lol at the rest of you
Originally by: Jim Raynor EVE needs danger, EVE needs risks, EVE needs combat, even piracy, without these things, the game stagnates to a trivial game centering around bloating your wallet with no purpose. |
Huhuhuhuhuhuh
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Posted - 2010.04.22 08:30:00 -
[812]
Originally by: baltec1
See now your shooting yourself in the foot by refusing. How can you expect me to belive you?
Transfer isk, get video. I will even attach Lenin's portrait as a freebie.
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baltec1
Antares Shipyards Aeternus.
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Posted - 2010.04.22 08:33:00 -
[813]
Originally by: Certero
Originally by: baltec1
See now your shooting yourself in the foot by refusing. How can you expect me to belive you?
Why do you think anybody needs you to belive? Who are you? We need CCP to belive and to fix bugs. Don't worry we don't interesting in your support.
If I can find problems with your vid then so can CCP. The more evidence you put down the better it would be for you.
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Certero
Hades and Charon funeral parlour
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Posted - 2010.04.22 08:35:00 -
[814]
Originally by: Vaal Erit
Monkeysphere is not cheating at all.
Yes, you're right We are not interesting in Monkey now, it's ccp decision to ban or not to ban him. it doesn't matter now (for me). We just want exploits to be fixed (exploits we found and sent to ccp).
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Ghost Wisperer
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Posted - 2010.04.22 08:35:00 -
[815]
Originally by: baltec1
If I can find problems with your vid then so can CCP. The more evidence you put down the better it would be for you.
CCP has source code of the exploit mate, not some stupid videos.
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baltec1
Antares Shipyards Aeternus.
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Posted - 2010.04.22 08:41:00 -
[816]
Originally by: Ghost Wisperer
Originally by: baltec1
If I can find problems with your vid then so can CCP. The more evidence you put down the better it would be for you.
CCP has source code of the exploit mate, not some stupid videos.
Considering the amount of macros in use at every ice belt in high sec I wouldnt hold your breath for anything to happen if thats true.
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Ghost Wisperer
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Posted - 2010.04.22 08:42:00 -
[817]
Originally by: baltec1
Considering the amount of macros in use at every ice belt in high sec I wouldnt hold your breath for anything to happen if thats true.
And that's the point of this thread. Bump it until someone who cares in CCP sees it and takes action.
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Stygian Knight
Blood Covenant Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.04.22 08:45:00 -
[818]
Invest in your future !
For a fee of 500 mil i will tell you how it's done.
Send isk to this character and i will reply with detailed eve mail how it's done.
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Certero
Hades and Charon funeral parlour
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Posted - 2010.04.22 08:48:00 -
[819]
Originally by: Stygian Knight Invest in your future !
For a fee of 500 mil i will tell you how it's done.
Send isk to this character and i will reply with detailed eve mail how it's done.
send it to ccp for free! Be hero!
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Bendit
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Posted - 2010.04.22 08:49:00 -
[820]
Originally by: Vaal Erit I hate to ruin this great thread full of bot users crying cheat, but it has gone on long enough.
Monkeysphere is not cheating at all. I'm no PL member or PL spy or have been anywhere near PL or the Monkeysphere but I'm pretty sure I know what he is doing. He's using a technique that only works on macro/botters (and maybe real people that are semi-afk ratting). I've done this but never got the timing down just right, but it looks like the monkeysphere has got it down perfectly.
Basically when a bot sees a hostile in local, it warps to a safe then waits for the hostile to leave. Monkeysphere logs off (he does it fast hence the "he's not in local whine) in a belt and the bot warps back to the belt since the hostile is out of local. Monekysphere logs back on and times it so his ship is ewarping back to the belt as the macro is warping back to the belt. The macro gets tackled and popped. Then he apparently whines on the fourm and accuses Monkeysphere of cheating. OP is a botter or has some other illegal program in my opinion and should gtfo.
TL:DR It's a log on trap, but an extremely well timed one that is aimed at bot/macro users. Props to The Monkeysphere in all honesty and lol at the rest of you
It`s not a log on trap, I have been on the recieving end of this guy.
1: He enters local, WITHOUT showing up in local chat. 2: He find whatever he wants to kill 3: He makes himself visible in local right before he engages you, this time is to short for you to react or do anything. Only thing that can maybe save you is loging off before he agro you.
That he is running aound killing bots I really dont care. But ruining my gaming experience with hacks/bugs or whatever he is doing, ****es me off.
I know how logon trap works and and it involves patience, you need to wait for the macroratter to go active again. The short timespan alone between his kills alone should make most people suspicous.
Also, if you look at killmails at various places, there are multiple people commenting on them that he suddenly appeared right out of nowhere. Keep living in denial.
Now that this bug is known and up in the air, it`s just a matter of time before this will start spreading in eve. Unless CCP does something about it.
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kaisersauzee
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2010.04.22 09:04:00 -
[821]
Originally by: Fallon Windskimmer
Originally by: Emperor Cheney
Listen, son
Russians don't take a dump without a plan!
I have been waiting all thread for an opportunity to say that.)
Ok, so, this is from one of my favorite movies. I won't ask Emperor to reply, but challenge to anyone know knows what this is from.
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Silent Wispa
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Posted - 2010.04.22 09:44:00 -
[822]
Edited by: Silent Wispa on 22/04/2010 09:46:38
Originally by: Thabokka I wonder how russkies managed to reproduce The Monkeysphere exploit that fast.
Apparently it took them 1hr to demonstrate the proof of concept and another 1hr to develop the working prototype.
Obviously the russians people doing this had the tremendous advantage of studying the Eve Client for years and developing macro programs, it would take anyone else considerably longer to manage this.
It's occured to me that the unfair reputation of being a bunch of rule bending loggoffski russians is perhaps a little unfair. Perhaps they weren't logging off after all, just choosing not to appear in local at that time. They do afterall seem to know a considerable amount about the subject and this would explain why they are so sure that this guy is doing something wrong. Afterall, if anyone would know for sure, they would.
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Huhuhuhuhuhuh
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Posted - 2010.04.22 09:49:00 -
[823]
Originally by: Silent Wispa
Apparently it took them 1hr to demonstrate the proof of concept and another 1hr to develop the working prototype.
Obviously the russians people doing this had the tremendous advantage of studying the Eve Client for years and developing macro programs, it would take anyone else considerably longer to manage this.
It's occured to me that the unfair reputation of being a bunch of rule bending loggoffski russians is perhaps a little unfair. Perhaps they weren't logging off after all, just choosing not to appear in local at that time. They do afterall seem to know a considerable amount about the subject and this would explain why they are so sure that this guy is doing something wrong. Afterall, if anyone would know for sure, they would.
Hello clueless guy. My IQ is more than average, but I look like Sir Isaak Newton compared to you. Anyone with brain given the direction can tackle the problem. You obviously cannot and just spew biased accusations out of your arse.
bye.
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Silent Wispa
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Posted - 2010.04.22 09:54:00 -
[824]
Originally by: Huhuhuhuhuhuh
Originally by: Silent Wispa
Apparently it took them 1hr to demonstrate the proof of concept and another 1hr to develop the working prototype.
Obviously the russians people doing this had the tremendous advantage of studying the Eve Client for years and developing macro programs, it would take anyone else considerably longer to manage this.
It's occured to me that the unfair reputation of being a bunch of rule bending loggoffski russians is perhaps a little unfair. Perhaps they weren't logging off after all, just choosing not to appear in local at that time. They do afterall seem to know a considerable amount about the subject and this would explain why they are so sure that this guy is doing something wrong. Afterall, if anyone would know for sure, they would.
Hello clueless guy. My IQ is more than average, but I look like Sir Isaak Newton compared to you. Anyone with brain given the direction can tackle the problem. You obviously cannot and just spew biased accusations out of your arse.
bye.
It's not.
This is what has been said in this thread, you knocked up a similar program to what this monkey guy is presumed to use in 2 hours
Impossible for someone who is not familiar with the client code, pretty easy for someone who's been retroengineering it and making macro's for years.
What you're talking about is "good cheating" vs "evil cheating" oblivious to the fact that its all cheating
Hello.
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Huhuhuhuhuhuh
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Posted - 2010.04.22 09:58:00 -
[825]
Originally by: Silent Wispa
It's not.
This is what has been said in this thread, you knocked up a similar program to what this monkey guy is presumed to use in 2 hours
Impossible for someone who is not familiar with the client code, pretty easy for someone who's been retroengineering it and making macro's for years.
What you're talking about is "good cheating" vs "evil cheating" oblivious to the fact that its all cheating
Hello.
Actually its good that some stupid people think that simple things require tremendous qualification. My only handicap - 10+ years as software engineer and 4+ years in telecom, so I am quite familiar with debugging network protocols given total lack of documentation. (Hello ALU - those were great years :) )
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I SoStoned
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.04.22 10:02:00 -
[826]
Honestly, tho, really... anything that allows people to sneak up on annoying macro'd ratters, miners, what have you is a good thing and I applaud whomever had the ingenuity to figure out how.
Now, if they tested their targets over time to see if they were, indeed, macros rather than merely inattentive players (a challenge in local, if not answered repeatedly, or convo attempts never answered) would weed out the annoying interlopers from the bots. Then go back later and rake up the bots in one fell swoop.
Because clearly CCP cannot, and will not, take action against the staggering numbers of them, so it's up to people like this latest nemesis to do so.
Make it a two-way street (challenge + answer = left alone for a little while until real raiders come by using normal mechanics) and there won't be so much whining.
Or, heck, since macros respond to identities in local, a few 'exploit' placed names in local will have them parked in their safespot for hours, or they'll leave the system and with luck blunder into a trap. --- Dreamer: My dream, Freddy! MY RULES. Freddy Kruger: *groans* Awwwww, f**k. --- Never give up! |
Huhuhuhuhuhuh
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Posted - 2010.04.22 10:05:00 -
[827]
Originally by: I SoStoned Honestly, tho, really... anything that allows people to sneak up on annoying macro'd ratters, miners, what have you is a good thing and I applaud whomever had the ingenuity to figure out how.
If you bend a rules *just a little bit*, then it would be easier for you to bend em a little further, and further and finally you dont care about em anymore. Its kinda darkside.
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Lothar Vimes
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.04.22 10:07:00 -
[828]
Originally by: Stygian Knight Invest in your future !
For a fee of 500 mil i will tell you how it's done.
Send isk to this character and i will reply with detailed eve mail how it's done.
Nice job selling out alliance secrets there bud.
edit: I forgot to get the new version so I wound up showing on overview, died. I'll do it for 450 mil
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BOEHKOP
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Posted - 2010.04.22 10:15:00 -
[829]
Originally by: I SoStoned Honestly, tho, really... anything that allows people to sneak up on annoying macro'd ratters, miners, what have you is a good thing and I Because clearly CCP cannot, and will not, take action against the staggering numbers of them, so it's up to people like this latest nemesis to do so.
To make it more clear. Because clearly CCP do not want ... take action against the RMT, Botters, and cheaters.
As you can see, taking this thread as example- total silence from CCP so far.
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Ellatan Deruimte
Surreal corp Stain Empire
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Posted - 2010.04.22 10:15:00 -
[830]
Originally by: I SoStoned Honestly, tho, really... anything that allows people to sneak up on annoying macro'd ratters, miners, what have you is a good thing and I applaud whomever had the ingenuity to figure out how.
Now, if they tested their targets over time to see if they were, indeed, macros rather than merely inattentive players (a challenge in local, if not answered repeatedly, or convo attempts never answered) would weed out the annoying interlopers from the bots. Then go back later and rake up the bots in one fell swoop.
Because clearly CCP cannot, and will not, take action against the staggering numbers of them, so it's up to people like this latest nemesis to do so.
Make it a two-way street (challenge + answer = left alone for a little while until real raiders come by using normal mechanics) and there won't be so much whining.
Or, heck, since macros respond to identities in local, a few 'exploit' placed names in local will have them parked in their safespot for hours, or they'll leave the system and with luck blunder into a trap.
If you seriously think that you are hurting macro ratters by killing their Ravens, then you are really clueless. They make up the cost of that Raven within a couple of hours. The only thing that will hurt macro ratters is ban from CCP, so they have to buy a new character or train a new one.
Monkeysphere killed a number of regular players, who were not botting or doing anything of this sort. He killed them using an exploit, so we are not playing on a level ground. You can call me jealous, I too want to catch Golems, Paladins without showing up in local. Seems unfair to me that he does it, and I can't do it.
By the way there is absolutely no reason to be macrobotting in a marauder, in fact that is really ******ed if you can get the job done in a raven. You might as well stop white knighting an exploiter, who kills hostile ships by cheating. He is not ridding the server of macrobots, he is not hurting their finances and he kills and ruins the games for regular players, who don't cheat or bot.
PL right now has a group of players who use a spy, who is friendly to the ratters, to get enemy ships tackled. There is nothing wrong with that, no complaints, perfectly legit way to catch them. However, tampering with client side is not something I would tolerate and neither should you.
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Missy Miner85
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Posted - 2010.04.22 10:25:00 -
[831]
I can agree that there probably is a way to hide yourself but i have yet to see anything that would prove Monkey has used something like that?
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Blood Mace
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Posted - 2010.04.22 10:27:00 -
[832]
What do you think about public demonstration of exploit on singularity? Set the time and place. I am sure a lot of people will come to see it.
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Ellatan Deruimte
Surreal corp Stain Empire
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Posted - 2010.04.22 10:27:00 -
[833]
Edited by: Ellatan Deruimte on 22/04/2010 10:34:19
Originally by: Missy Miner85 I can agree that there probably is a way to hide yourself but i have yet to see anything that would prove Monkey has used something like that?
The only thing that can prove it are the server logs. If "our logs show nothing," then nothing would probably happen to him. So the least we can hope for is the exploit to be fixed, so nobody can use it again.
Originally by: Blood Mace What do you think about public demonstration of exploit on singularity? Set the time and place. I am sure a lot of people will come to see it.
If Huhuh doesn't mind, we plan to do another test on Sisi around 4-5pm eve time presumably in HED-GP system. I want to fraps him entering the system, warping to my ship in belt without being in local chat, then reappearing in local. Keep in mind though that no details about how it's possible will be disclosed.
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debbie harrio
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Posted - 2010.04.22 10:33:00 -
[834]
Originally by: Missy Miner85 I can agree that there probably is a way to hide yourself but i have yet to see anything that would prove Monkey has used something like that?
There is far too much smoke floating around for there not to be a fire......
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Pheusia
Gallente The Initiative.
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Posted - 2010.04.22 10:38:00 -
[835]
Originally by: debbie harrio
Originally by: Missy Miner85 I can agree that there probably is a way to hide yourself but i have yet to see anything that would prove Monkey has used something like that?
There is far too much smoke floating around for there not to be a fire......
Yes, an angry shouting mob of suspiciously similar sounding characters is an adquate substitute for proof! Signed, Pheusia |
BOEHKOP
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Posted - 2010.04.22 10:39:00 -
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Originally by: Missy Miner85 I can agree that there probably is a way to hide yourself but i have yet to see anything that would prove Monkey has used something like that?
If it looks like ****, smells like s***, feels like s***, and you know it's coming from a hole? Do you really need to taste it?
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Pwnage Star
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Posted - 2010.04.22 10:44:00 -
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Originally by: debbie harrio
Originally by: Missy Miner85 I can agree that there probably is a way to hide yourself but i have yet to see anything that would prove Monkey has used something like that?
There is far too much smoke floating around for there not to be a fire......
There is fire. Some random dudes got killed and now they are crying and making fire.
You guys are so badly hurt that you even blame it on some lol haxzors which again you disovered and created, what was before hax "UBER SCANNER"? what will be next week ?
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debbie harrio
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Posted - 2010.04.22 10:45:00 -
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Edited by: debbie harrio on 22/04/2010 10:46:43
Originally by: Pheusia
Originally by: debbie harrio
Originally by: Missy Miner85 I can agree that there probably is a way to hide yourself but i have yet to see anything that would prove Monkey has used something like that?
There is far too much smoke floating around for there not to be a fire......
Yes, an angry shouting mob of suspiciously similar sounding characters is an adquate substitute for proof!
There has been enough posting by players at their keyboards when killed stating that the cheater didn't appear in local until they were tackled to convince me, also if you look back in the thread there is also testimonies from eye witnesses on the cheater not appearing in local over several jumps.
All this hurf blurf from people just makes me believe that a lot more people are using this exploit and are afraid their 'I WIN' button is going to be nerfed.
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Huhuhuhuhuhuh
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Posted - 2010.04.22 10:53:00 -
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Originally by: Ellatan Deruimte
If Huhuh doesn't mind, we plan to do another test on Sisi around 4-5pm eve time presumably in HED-GP system. I want to fraps him entering the system, warping to my ship in belt without being in local chat, then reappearing in local. Keep in mind though that no details about how it's possible will be disclosed.
affirmative.
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Merchant Queen
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Posted - 2010.04.22 11:10:00 -
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Any pandemic cheaters banned yet?
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Sturmwolke
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Posted - 2010.04.22 11:15:00 -
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Originally by: Ellatan Deruimte If Huhuh doesn't mind, we plan to do another test on Sisi around 4-5pm eve time presumably in HED-GP system. I want to fraps him entering the system, warping to my ship in belt without being in local chat, then reappearing in local. Keep in mind though that no details about how it's possible will be disclosed.
I wouldn't mind seeing this. Looks interesting. Would you post a SISI channel so that anyone who's interested can join for observer coordination? |
MatrixSkye Mk2
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.04.22 11:19:00 -
[842]
Originally by: WormSwarm Alot of Fox News viewers in this thread eh
If you're going to put a real life spin into the situation, then guess who is the Fox news viewer? .
You don't believe in global warming because there isn't enough proof. You don't believe the economy is in shambles, not enough proof. If you do believe, you blame the wrong guy because the guy before was, well, just swell and a helluva guy.
So yeah, keep it up with the Fox news comments, son.
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Ghost Wisperer
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Posted - 2010.04.22 11:20:00 -
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Originally by: Sturmwolke
I wouldn't mind seeing this. Looks interesting. Would you post a SISI channel so that anyone who's interested can join for observer coordination?
HED-GP, channel "Monkeysphere".
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Certero
Hades and Charon funeral parlour
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Posted - 2010.04.22 11:20:00 -
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Originally by: Pwnage Star ... which again you disovered and created, what was before hax "UBER SCANNER"? what will be next week ?
All this exploits was discovered by Abuser more than 2 years ago, and as we can see now nothing changed - there are a lot abilities to cheat.
1. There are people who can't use it (they are not programmers). 2. There are people who use it for their bots. But CCP don't try to fight them (why???). 3. There are people who use it to kill bots. But they decided they are gods and started to kill regular players. (why???) 4. There are people who can use it but want fairplay, so they are playing game without cheating. But then somebody start to kill people with the use of exploits (3) they want to fix it. That's why this thread is here!
And if you are in 1 category it's you own trouble. There are a lot of people with great programming experience in eve, sadly a lot of them in 2 and 3 categories...
PS: welcom to sisi today.
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Certero
Hades and Charon funeral parlour
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Posted - 2010.04.22 11:31:00 -
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Originally by: Merchant Queen Any pandemic cheaters banned yet?
As we know nobody banned. But it's ok. As we think server logs don't contain inforamtion such as "user connected to local chat channel" or "user disconnect from local chat channel". it contains only "user entered system" or something like this. I mean there are no server-side checks about local chat. That's why bann is imposible. But i need to remember that main purpose of this thread is to fix bug! (think ccp can do it easily).
PS: but there are other possible exploits that are not reproduced yet.
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Rick Rothsar
Ghosts of Ragnarok
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Posted - 2010.04.22 11:52:00 -
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This just in: Aluminum market surges as tinfoil hattery reaches new high itt |
Tonto Auri
Vhero' Multipurpose Corp
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Posted - 2010.04.22 11:56:00 -
[847]
Edited by: Tonto Auri on 22/04/2010 11:56:27
Originally by: Certero
Originally by: Merchant Queen Any pandemic cheaters banned yet?
As we know nobody banned. But it's ok. As we think server logs don't contain inforamtion such as "user connected to local chat channel" or "user disconnect from local chat channel". it contains only "user entered system" or something like this. I mean there are no server-side checks about local chat. That's why bann is imposible. But i need to remember that main purpose of this thread is to fix bug! (think ccp can do it easily).
PS: but there are other possible exploits that are not reproduced yet.
Unfortunately for CCP, from the evidence collected so far by independent investigators, the issue is rooted in the very basement of the EVE protocol design :/ I just hope they have enough man-power to at least implement proper logging where it's lacking.
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Mr Kidd
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Posted - 2010.04.22 12:00:00 -
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If this is a problem it'll get taken care of one way or the other. With this much attention the obvious effect is more people attempting to duplicate it. If it's true then some will succeed, some will fail but the obvious result will be more complaints until CCP has to do something.
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MatrixSkye Mk2
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.04.22 12:03:00 -
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Edited by: MatrixSkye Mk2 on 22/04/2010 12:05:44
Originally by: Rick Rothsar This just in: Aluminum market surges as tinfoil hattery reaches new high itt
You know what I find amusing? That the ones knocking down the proofs are the same ones accusing Russians of being in-game cheaters.
In other words, to prove that Pandemic Legion is cheating will require proof without an ounce of doubt to convince you.
On the other hand, you spout that Russians are cheaters and heavy users of macros.
Can you prove this without an ounce of doubt that Russians are using macros in Tranq?
Not that I don't believe that SOME Russians ARE using macros. But I think it's funny how the ones refusing to accept the proof that PL is cheating are quite quick in accusing all Russians of cheating. Where's the infallible proof that all Russians are cheating so we can start picking them off with "that's doctored" and "meh, that doesn't prove anything" . Or is no proof needed to accuse all Russians of cheating?
I say BAN ALL MACROERS - all Russians cheating AND all Pandemic Legion cheaters.
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Memorya
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Posted - 2010.04.22 12:04:00 -
[850]
Time for ccp to fix this exploit. ------------------------ "English is a funny language; that explains why we park our car on the driveway and drive our car on the parkway."
English is my 5th. Language.
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Certero
Hades and Charon funeral parlour
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Posted - 2010.04.22 12:12:00 -
[851]
Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2
I say BAN ALL MACROERS - all Russians cheating AND all Pandemic Legion cheaters.
I have an idea! No need to waste time explaing that there are russians who don't use exploits (bots, macros). Let's say "Yes! We are cheaters! But we a bored of our own cheating and want to make EVE better! We are trying to help CCP to fix all bugs that make possible to cheat in best game ever! And we think that Monkey use cheats too bcos we know how it looks like! Let's remove cheaters from this game together!"
And it doesn't matter that we aren't cheaters. Trolls will be happy. There will be less flood here. And maybe problem will be solved instead of pages-of-"russians=cheaters"-jokes...
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128th ABC123
Eve Liberation Force OWN Alliance
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Posted - 2010.04.22 12:13:00 -
[852]
I find it fu-cking hilarious that after 100's of posts of paying customers of an obvious exploit, which delivers a clear advantage to players who would abuse it, we have still not seen any reply from CCP to the community regarding it.
Apparently when you sell an MMO you don't have any accountability to your customers.
(yes its an exploit, its being recreated on regular basis and has been known as an exploit for a long while now...)
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MatrixSkye Mk2
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.04.22 12:17:00 -
[853]
Originally by: Certero
Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2
I say BAN ALL MACROERS - all Russians cheating AND all Pandemic Legion cheaters.
I have an idea! No need to waste time explaing that there are russians who don't use exploits (bots, macros). Let's say "Yes! We are cheaters! But we a bored of our own cheating and want to make EVE better! We are trying to help CCP to fix all bugs that make possible to cheat in best game ever! And we think that Monkey use cheats too bcos we know how it looks like! Let's remove cheaters from this game together!"
And it doesn't matter that we aren't cheaters. Trolls will be happy. There will be less flood here. And maybe problem will be solved instead of pages-of-"russians=cheaters"-jokes...
I'm not saying ban all Russians. I'm saying ban those that cheat. I know that not all Russians are cheaters. I'm merely pointing out that the idiots requesting proof without a shred of doubt are the ones accusing all Russians of cheating.
But meh, it's just them trying to derail and justify their cheating.
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Zofran
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Posted - 2010.04.22 12:21:00 -
[854]
6. Personal attacks are prohibited. Accusing a person directly, before anyone official has confirmed allegations - well thats a personal attack son.
13. Do not post about bugs and exploits. Oh damn son, it looks like you're going on and on about this, even offering to sell the method for a low price - yet no moderation!
27. Please use English when posting on the forums. Try harder.
5. Ranting is prohibited I think its time you just showed us on the doll, where did The Spherical Monkey touch you? You should really listen to this rule tho as every few pages... umad
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Certero
Hades and Charon funeral parlour
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Posted - 2010.04.22 12:26:00 -
[855]
Originally by: Zofran 6. Personal attacks are prohibited. Accusing a person directly, before anyone official has confirmed allegations - well thats a personal attack son.
13. Do not post about bugs and exploits. Oh damn son, it looks like you're going on and on about this, even offering to sell the method for a low price - yet no moderation!
27. Please use English when posting on the forums. Try harder.
5. Ranting is prohibited I think its time you just showed us on the doll, where did The Spherical Monkey touch you? You should really listen to this rule tho as every few pages... umad
Don't worry man! It's not your troubles! Thanks for advice, but we don't need one.
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Huhuhuhuhuhuh
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Posted - 2010.04.22 12:26:00 -
[856]
Originally by: Zofran skipped rant
Leave moderation to moderators. its their job to clean up forum after all. If you know better take this job and do it instead of speaking out of your ass.
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Kadesh Priestess
Scalding Chill
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Posted - 2010.04.22 12:29:00 -
[857]
Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2 Not that I don't believe that SOME Russians ARE using macros.
Actually not only russians use macro-hunting and mining bots. I've traveled around whole eve universe and seen bot'o'ravens almost in each and every 0.0 region, piloted by characters resembling average european/american player's character (nicknames and bios of russian/chinese macro hunters and their corps is pretty specific imo).
As for the topic - i hope monkeyshere and everyone who dealt with exploit development and abuse will be punished. This is long-lasting story, so it's quite surprising that it have gone public only recently.
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Drunken Wolf
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Posted - 2010.04.22 12:30:00 -
[858]
The exploit has been reproduced many times. Time for CCP to fix this bug.
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Xtover
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.04.22 12:31:00 -
[859]
The trolling in this thread is awesome.
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Dalts
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Posted - 2010.04.22 12:33:00 -
[860]
Well, if its really happening it needs sorting and fixing, and bans if there is evidence on the server.
Regardless, how about they immediately level the playing field in 0.0, easy to do, just make local delayed like it should be and everyone is in the same boat...
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Tobias Sjodin
Ore Mongers Gentlemen's Club
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Posted - 2010.04.22 12:33:00 -
[861]
Just make it so all 0.0 only updates once every 5 minutes or so. Problem solved. :P
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Certero
Hades and Charon funeral parlour
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Posted - 2010.04.22 12:33:00 -
[862]
Edited by: Certero on 22/04/2010 12:33:30
Originally by: Xtover The trolling in this thread is awesome.
as for me good troll - dead troll!
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Zofran
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Posted - 2010.04.22 12:34:00 -
[863]
That was no rant, I was just pointing out how suddenly we arnt in-game and now you pretend like the rules don't matter. Why should the rules only matter in-game, seems somewhat hypocritical of people claiming to be on some holy brigade against the forces of anti-macro goodness!
On that note your witch hunt is going quite well, I myself also use the tried and tested dunking chair much as yourselves. I mean surely if the witch cant escape from being submersed in a freezing river - it must be a witch. It must be.
But please continue on your ignorant path.
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Kadesh Priestess
Scalding Chill
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Posted - 2010.04.22 12:36:00 -
[864]
Edited by: Kadesh Priestess on 22/04/2010 12:38:29
Originally by: Tobias Sjodin Just make it so all 0.0 only updates once every 5 minutes or so. Problem solved. :P
Even a 1 minute is enormous advantage. Say, you have 0.0001% chance to catch bot in real conditions, with 1 minute advantage it'll be closer to 50%, with 5 minutes - almost 100%. Same for real player, but with slightly better chances as human reaction time is far from being just couple of milliseconds...
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Certero
Hades and Charon funeral parlour
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Posted - 2010.04.22 12:38:00 -
[865]
Edited by: Certero on 22/04/2010 12:39:07
Originally by: Zofran
But please continue on your ignorant path.
Try to understand we like rules and we're trying not to break them. But CCP chose ignorant path since time of Abuser. Now somebody begin to kill players with exploit (as we think). We tryed to reproduce it and we done it. Now we want CCP to fix it. That is all. We used to break rules to stop people from using this exploit.
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romek mablung
Caldari OWS Research and Development
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Posted - 2010.04.22 12:40:00 -
[866]
Edited by: romek mablung on 22/04/2010 12:40:59 Moar food Linkageand snacks Linkage
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FlameGlow
Rebellion Alliance
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Posted - 2010.04.22 12:41:00 -
[867]
Originally by: Zofran 6. Personal attacks are prohibited. Accusing a person directly, before anyone official has confirmed allegations - well thats a personal attack son.
13. Do not post about bugs and exploits. Oh damn son, it looks like you're going on and on about this, even offering to sell the method for a low price - yet no moderation!
27. Please use English when posting on the forums. Try harder.
5. Ranting is prohibited I think its time you just showed us on the doll, where did The Spherical Monkey touch you? You should really listen to this rule tho as every few pages... umad
And don't forget
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11.Immediate banning from the forum can result from any of the following: discriminatory remarks which are ... racially or ethnically offensive;
when you want to call all russians RMTing, macroing and botting cheaters |
Corbeau Lenoir
ZER0. IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.04.22 12:43:00 -
[868]
Can we finally get some official response? I don't believe that CCP isn't aware of this topic. Any response would be better than none at all.
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romek mablung
Caldari OWS Research and Development
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Posted - 2010.04.22 12:46:00 -
[869]
Originally by: Corbeau Lenoir Can we finally get some official response? I don't believe that CCP isn't aware of this topic. Any response would be better than none at all.
Actually,in MMORPG-s,its not uncommon to not be cleared via forums,and instead stealth fix.....pick ANY MMORPG,i ques,and its been done
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Zofran
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Posted - 2010.04.22 12:47:00 -
[870]
Originally by: Certero Edited by: Certero on 22/04/2010 12:39:07
Originally by: Zofran
But please continue on your ignorant path.
Try to understand we like rules and we're trying not to break them. But CCP chose ignorant path since time of Abuser. Now somebody begin to kill players with exploit (as we think). We tryed to reproduce it and we done it. Now we want CCP to fix it. That is all. We used to break rules to stop people from using this exploit.
So, Robin Hood - I thought you were bashing people thinking that Monkey was a Robin Hood?
Do you see where this is going. Looks to me like you have some Foot in Mouth disease.
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Kadesh Priestess
Scalding Chill
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Posted - 2010.04.22 12:55:00 -
[871]
Originally by: romek mablung Actually,in MMORPG-s,its not uncommon for arguements over bugs/exploits to not be cleared via forums.More common are stealth fixes.....pick ANY MMORPG,i quess,and it happened
Again - it's been revealed long-long time ago, tons of petitions written, and no actions taken by CCP. Which actions you'd take in these conditions?
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar Vahrokh Consulting
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Posted - 2010.04.22 12:56:00 -
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Even a 1 minute is enormous advantage. Say, you have 0.0001% chance to catch bot in real conditions, with 1 minute advantage it'll be closer to 50%, with 5 minutes - almost 100%. Same for real player, but with slightly better chances as human reaction time is far from being just couple of milliseconds...
Let me reharse, despite some on this thread are WOOOOOOOOSH (see last replies to my posts).
You are NOT supposed to rely on local chat to flee like a chicken. You ARE supposed to use the scanner OR to have friends camping the system entrance(s) OR to fight, like you actually played a PvP game.
The exploit (if it is done, CCP will (not) tell) only uses the fact that awful players are using an old mechanic as "intel" to know when to logoffski and / or cloak.
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Can we finally get some official response? I don't believe that CCP isn't aware of this topic. Any response would be better than none at all.
CCP ARE aware of this topics, as the thread has been reported times and again (even by me).
Of course, if the title was changed to something less moronic than a generic "how is this possible?" and actually posted to the relevant forum (<> General) it might have drawn more attention and since the start.
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Certero
Hades and Charon funeral parlour
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Posted - 2010.04.22 12:57:00 -
[873]
Originally by: Zofran
Looks to me like you have some Foot in Mouth disease.
Outstanding imagination! You need to think rare, it's no good to you to try to understand whole thread at once...
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Huhuhuhuhuhuh
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Posted - 2010.04.22 12:59:00 -
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Originally by: Zofran
rant skipped
We thought he is exploiter. We found exploit. Now its CCP's turn to take action. From time to time we have random smartasses in this thread posting some nonsense.Its normal. Calm down take a deep breath and ingest some prozak. Then there'll be some chance that you wont fall victim to your Froidian complexes again.
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Certero
Hades and Charon funeral parlour
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Posted - 2010.04.22 13:02:00 -
[875]
Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha
You are NOT supposed to rely on local chat to flee like a chicken. You ARE supposed to use the scanner OR to have friends camping the system entrance(s) OR to fight, like you actually played a PvP game.
Who are you? CCP developer? PR-manager? If CCP officials will say something like this than it will be truth. But now local chat is a part of the ingame-mechanic with the only exeption in WH. So, no need to be smarter than CCP.
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Kadesh Priestess
Scalding Chill
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Posted - 2010.04.22 13:03:00 -
[876]
Edited by: Kadesh Priestess on 22/04/2010 13:06:42
Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha You are NOT supposed to rely on local chat to flee like a chicken.
Local chat is used everywhere as early warning system. As it warns about potential threat/prey earlier than others (like direct scanner) - it's used by everyone. Obviously, isn't it?
Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha You ARE supposed to use the scanner OR to have friends camping the system entrance(s) OR to fight, like you actually played a PvP game.
It will be this way once CCP removes local communication channel (if they decide to do this at all). Don't tell us what we're supposed to do when we're doing it within EULA terms.
Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha The exploit (if it is done, CCP will (not) tell) only uses the fact that awful players are using an old mechanic as "intel" to know when to logoffski and / or cloak.
According to my data, invisibility in local chat may be just one of the evils used by these PL guys.
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Xtover
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.04.22 13:06:00 -
[877]
Originally by: Huhuhuhuhuhuh
Originally by: Zofran
rant skipped
We thought he is exploiter. We found exploit. Now its CCP's turn to take action. From time to time we have random smartasses in this thread posting some nonsense.Its normal. Calm down take a deep breath and ingest some prozak. Then there'll be some chance that you wont fall victim to your Froidian complexes again.
It still irks me just how quickly it went from "possible exploit" to "we can duplicate it." How long was it, less than a day, before someone was able to do the exact same thing?
What else can this amazing team of "bughunters" from the ever-ru site do with the eve client in 24 hours?
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Kadesh Priestess
Scalding Chill
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Posted - 2010.04.22 13:10:00 -
[878]
Originally by: Xtover It still irks me just how quickly it went from "possible exploit" to "we can duplicate it." How long was it, less than a day, before someone was able to do the exact same thing?
What else can this amazing team of "bughunters" from the ever-ru site do with the eve client in 24 hours?
When search criteria are narrowed and tens of talented guys invest their time into duplicating of that bug - it shouldn't take much time even theoretically. Again, this sploit has been known year or more, and hot thread regarding this problem has been created on 17th of April - so essentially it took more than a day to reproduce it.
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ALERT UA
Caldari Spiral out. Keep going. Blind Octopus
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Posted - 2010.04.22 13:11:00 -
[879]
If I were PL CEO I'd kick cheaters and report CCP about them and BEG for forgiveness. Personally I relay on wisdom of CCP in solving this problem. If CCP staff needs short conclusion of russian eve forums discussions about this situation, I can provide translation as from my neutral Ukrainian side.
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Certero
Hades and Charon funeral parlour
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Posted - 2010.04.22 13:12:00 -
[880]
Originally by: Xtover
What else can this amazing team of "bughunters" from the ever-ru site do with the eve client in 24 hours?
Anything you want! There are number of skilled MMO and real-time communication protocols developers. Sources partialy available for a long time. Monkey just croosed the line. Good brains, experience in coding and sources can make miracles!
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romek mablung
Caldari OWS Research and Development
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Posted - 2010.04.22 13:13:00 -
[881]
Edited by: romek mablung on 22/04/2010 13:17:28 Edited by: romek mablung on 22/04/2010 13:16:23 He/they (Monkeysphere and Co) supposedly also use some warp to anybody/warp to cloaked hack.As far,i knew from eve-ru forums:hasn't been duplicated yet.What in long run is alot worse hack,then chat channel one! By educated programmers responses (how in hell would i knew,for me its gibberish anyway,just quessing.Mine expertises lie in totally different areas) form eve-ru,those hacks roots still lies in same place,as chat channel ones-client (Abuser affair from years ago plus evolved in passed time python ect tools).
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LeviUK
Black Omega Security Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.04.22 13:19:00 -
[882]
Originally by: ALERT UA If I were PL CEO I'd kick cheaters and report CCP about them and BEG for forgiveness. Personally I relay on wisdom of CCP in solving this problem. If CCP staff needs short conclusion of russian eve forums discussions about this situation, I can provide translation as from my neutral Ukrainian side.
Its a good thing you arnt our leadership else we'd never get our projected completed on time and paid for, black or white they are all for the enrichments of our pockets and enjoyment of the game. But you could be our leader if this was like magic happy unicorn world where we didnt have nice toys and services.
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Razin
The xDEATHx Squadron Legion of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2010.04.22 13:20:00 -
[883]
Originally by: Xtover
It still irks me just how quickly it went from "possible exploit" to "we can duplicate it." How long was it, less than a day, before someone was able to do the exact same thing?
Because it took you much longer? Or because you couldn't do it if your life depended on it? Exactly how do you judge how long something like this should take? ...
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Zelda Wei
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Posted - 2010.04.22 13:23:00 -
[884]
Originally by: debbie harrio
Originally by: Missy Miner85 I can agree that there probably is a way to hide yourself but i have yet to see anything that would prove Monkey has used something like that?
There is far too much smoke floating around for there not to be a fire......
The source of that smoke.
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Zofran
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Posted - 2010.04.22 13:24:00 -
[885]
Originally by: Certero
Originally by: Xtover
What else can this amazing team of "bughunters" from the ever-ru site do with the eve client in 24 hours?
Anything you want! There are number of skilled MMO and real-time communication protocols developers. Sources partialy available for a long time. Monkey just croosed the line. Good brains, experience in coding and sources can make miracles!
Sure thing Robin Hood~~ Those macros were just showing how broken the local mechanic was amirite?
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Lady Spank
Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta
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Posted - 2010.04.22 13:26:00 -
[886]
Originally by: Xtover What else can this amazing team of "bughunters" from the ever-ru site do with the eve client in 24 hours?
Run macro ravens. ~_~
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar Vahrokh Consulting
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Posted - 2010.04.22 13:28:00 -
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Who are you? CCP developer? PR-manager? If CCP officials will say something like this than it will be truth
One who is appropriately using the tools the game provides, instead of leveraging and putting all his eggs in some easily exploited basket?
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Local chat is used everywhere as early warning system. As it warns about potential threat/prey earlier than others (like direct scanner) - it's used by everyone. Obviously, isn't it?
Maybe in the world of solo, corp-less ratters in desolate 0.0 bottom ends.
Try that in any decently trafficked place, where there's always someone in local, even in mission hubs. Then you start using the often present "intel chats" that warn of pirate sightseeing, of always having the directional scanner open and working and so on.
Again, while the exploit is despisable, a lot of this thread looks like the regular hi sec noob whining about how the ebil pirate suicided him in "HI SEC ITS MEANT TO BE SAFE", "just" because he was carrying 1B in a badger. And ofc that noob won't learn nor adapt.
It's why so many are less than emphatic with the posts in this thread.
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Sources partialy available for a long time. Monkey just croosed the line.
So, it was convenient to have those sources (for what? ) but only given to CCP *now* and demand response NAO? Because some Monkey breaks your eggs? That's a noble way to do affairs!
- Auditing & consulting
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Kadesh Priestess
Scalding Chill
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Posted - 2010.04.22 13:28:00 -
[888]
Edited by: Kadesh Priestess on 22/04/2010 13:34:26
Originally by: Zofran Those macros were just showing how broken the local mechanic was amirite?
Yea, i even do agree with you here
Originally by: Lady Spank Run macro ravens.
You can run them too dude. I can do the same too. Accusation without a proof is a bad thing, mkay?
Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha Maybe in the world of solo, corp-less ratters in desolate 0.0 bottom ends.
Sure, they never rat in a systems with intense neutral/hostile traffic.
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romek mablung
Caldari OWS Research and Development
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Posted - 2010.04.22 13:29:00 -
[889]
Edited by: romek mablung on 22/04/2010 13:29:02 Friggin anybody can run those,i suppose.When one googles a little....there might be companies selling end-user ready botting programs for ANY major mmorpg out there...
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Certero
Hades and Charon funeral parlour
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Posted - 2010.04.22 13:31:00 -
[890]
Originally by: Zofran
Sure thing Robin Hood~~
It's funny! Monkey posted on eve-ru that he is Robin Hood. So you made a mistake!
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Lady Spank
Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta
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Posted - 2010.04.22 13:36:00 -
[891]
Originally by: Kadesh Priestess
Originally by: Lady Spank Run macro ravens.
You can run them too dude. I can do the same too. Accusation without a proof is a bad thing, mkay?
I can't fly battleships. ~_~
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Kadesh Priestess
Scalding Chill
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Posted - 2010.04.22 13:39:00 -
[892]
Originally by: Lady Spank
Originally by: Kadesh Priestess
Originally by: Lady Spank Run macro ravens.
You can run them too dude. I can do the same too. Accusation without a proof is a bad thing, mkay?
I can't fly battleships.
I can't fly any combat class bigger than a frigate too, but earn my living doing lvl 4 and lvl 5 missions. Thus, it's possible to bot'o'rat in dozens of other ships, even in a viator with assisted pack of fighters.
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Certero
Hades and Charon funeral parlour
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Posted - 2010.04.22 13:40:00 -
[893]
Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha
So, it was convenient to have those sources (for what? ) but only given to CCP *now* and demand response NAO?
Do you can read and understan what you read? Sources were published by Abuser in 2008. Monkey killed bots. And eve-ru community just played eve and didn't know Monkey and were not interested in sources.
But than Monkey killed number of our pilots and ccp said that server logs are fine (but our pilots thought there were exploit used), we decided to reproduce bug that Monkey used (as we thought). And we did it! We can't proof that Monkey used it, but we can ask ccp to fix it.
PS: and even more - sources were released on torrents not by russians! Maybe you need to search cheaters near you?
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar Vahrokh Consulting
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Posted - 2010.04.22 13:40:00 -
[894]
Edited by: Vaerah Vahrokha on 22/04/2010 13:46:41 Edited by: Vaerah Vahrokha on 22/04/2010 13:43:33 Ok now let's quit talking like false b!tches.
I make a living on Win 32 programming and on TCP / IP protocols.
Finding out the issue, knowing what to do with the proper packets, what and where to inject fake lag / packet drop or redirect the internal chat client to a fake / empty chat slot and also how to inject into the client executable AND about how to deal with the indeed soggy pseudointerpreded UI is not an impossible task.
But you don't take anyone by the ass, you did not discover and implement all of this stuff in 24 hours, expecially as "innocent programmer side curiosity".
So, WTF were you doing with all of this reverse engineered knowledge? WTF were your real and original intentions to do with the means to tamper with the game TCP IP communication and even executable image innards?
"Talented guys"? Oh, yes.
But now, tell it all, WHY did you have all of this pregressed stuff? WHY "Sources partialy available for a long time."
You know what? Monkeywhatever looks like a "rebel" of a rotten system including him and those posting here. A system that functioned only until someone stepped outside of the untold safe limits and started pushing the edges.
So, who here got the balls to say all the truth?
Or do you believe we are all so cretins to believe the "exploit replicated in a day" stories and whatsnot?
Also, I find it peculiar how even programmers proficient in TCP / IP (edit: those who play EvE like a game and not a remote ISK pinhata) did not bother seeking for those "known" malware sources but those people here magically found them out in an instant and immediately knew how to use them at full. - Auditing & consulting
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Ellatan Deruimte
Surreal corp Stain Empire
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Posted - 2010.04.22 13:45:00 -
[895]
You are either a simpleton or a terrible troll. Expect a new video to be posted in 3 hours or so.
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Certero
Hades and Charon funeral parlour
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Posted - 2010.04.22 13:46:00 -
[896]
Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha
WHY "Sources partialy available for a long time."
And WHY??? I need to ask you? It's not russian who made sources available and even asked ccp to fix holes in it... So, why sources available? Why english-speaking guys put it on torrents? Why Abuser asked ccp to fix holes? WHY??? Why there are a lot of sites and forums with english comments to sources and macro-bots and only 5 people from eve-ru know english "not-so-bad" to post here? WHY?
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Seika Hitori
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Posted - 2010.04.22 13:46:00 -
[897]
Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha
Or do you believe we are all so cretins to believe the "exploit replicated in a day" stories and whatsnot?
Yes, we do. You are all cretins and worm's-eye view/
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Kadesh Priestess
Scalding Chill
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Posted - 2010.04.22 13:47:00 -
[898]
Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha You know what? Monkeywhatever looks like a "rebel" of a rotten system including him and those posting here. A system that functioned only until someone stepped outside of the untold safe limits and started pushing the edges.
This:
Originally by: Ellatan Deruimte If you seriously think that you are hurting macro ratters by killing their Ravens, then you are really clueless. They make up the cost of that Raven within a couple of hours. The only thing that will hurt macro ratters is ban from CCP, so they have to buy a new character or train a new one.
Monkeysphere killed a number of regular players, who were not botting or doing anything of this sort. He killed them using an exploit, so we are not playing on a level ground. You can call me jealous, I too want to catch Golems, Paladins without showing up in local. Seems unfair to me that he does it, and I can't do it.
The only real way to get rid of the bot is to petition it. That's what i'm doing with almost each and every ratting bot i encounter in 0.0; if you think that killing them is any better - then you're wrong.
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Ivana Drake
Caldari Omerta Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.04.22 13:50:00 -
[899]
Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha
Ok now let's quit talking like false b!tches.
I make a living on Win 32 programming and on TCP / IP protocols.
Finding out the issue, knowing what to do with the proper packets, what and where to inject fake lag / packet drop or redirect the internal chat client to a fake / empty chat slot and also how to inject into the client executable AND about how to deal with the indeed soggy pseudointerpreded UI is not an impossible task.
But you don't take anyone by the ass, you did not discover and implement all of this stuff in 24 hours, expecially as "innocent programmer side curiosity".
So, WTF were you doing with all of this reverse engineered knowledge? WTF were your real and original intentions to do with the means to tamper with the game TCP IP communication and even executable image innards?
"Talented guys"? Oh, yes.
TL;DR: NO U
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romek mablung
Caldari OWS Research and Development
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Posted - 2010.04.22 13:51:00 -
[900]
Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha Edited by: Vaerah Vahrokha on 22/04/2010 13:43:33 Ok now let's quit talking like false b!tches.
I make a living on Win 32 programming and on TCP / IP protocols.
Finding out the issue, knowing what to do with the proper packets, what and where to inject fake lag / packet drop or redirect the internal chat client to a fake / empty chat slot and also how to inject into the client executable AND about how to deal with the indeed soggy pseudointerpreded UI is not an impossible task.
But you don't take anyone by the ass, you did not discover and implement all of this stuff in 24 hours, expecially as "innocent programmer side curiosity".
So, WTF were you doing with all of this reverse engineered knowledge? WTF were your real and original intentions to do with the means to tamper with the game TCP IP communication and even executable image innards?
"Talented guys"? Oh, yes.
But now, tell it all, WHY did you have all of this pregressed stuff? WHY "Sources partialy available for a long time."
You know what? Monkeywhatever looks like a "rebel" of a rotten system including him and those posting here. A system that functioned only until someone stepped outside of the untold safe limits and started pushing the edges.
So, who here got the balls to say all the truth?
Or do you believe we are all so cretins to believe the "exploit replicated in a day" stories and whatsnot?
Also, I find it peculiar how even programmers proficient in TCP / IP did not bother seeking for those "known" malware sources but those people here magically found them out in an instant and immediately knew how to use them at full.
I have used ALL Windows versions there were,starting 95,played ALL big pcgames-released starting 2000,used shloads of tools/programs starting year 2000 and continuing.NEVER bought any.Did i crack all that turd myself?No!No need,as answers are out there,ready to be used...nocd-nodvd-cracks-keygens-7loaders-iso tools-safedisk emulators-reg patches-list goes on and on.And im only damn WELDER!rofl
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Xtover
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.04.22 13:52:00 -
[901]
Edited by: Xtover on 22/04/2010 13:55:07
Originally by: Razin
Originally by: Xtover
It still irks me just how quickly it went from "possible exploit" to "we can duplicate it." How long was it, less than a day, before someone was able to do the exact same thing?
Because it took you much longer? Or because you couldn't do it if your life depended on it? Exactly how do you judge how long something like this should take?
Neither, because of the ease in which it was done.
Makes you wonder, when you think you have TS spies, maybe they're in your fleet chat, unseen.
When you see that red using your JB
different things like that... Apparently if any of these "not macro users" wanted, they could anipulate the client to do many things...
example:
I'm at a bank, and someone gets trapped in a vault. The dude next to me who was waiting on line runs over and in 10 seconds cracks open the safe. I ask him, "do you work for the company that makes safes?" and he says, "nah I'm just talented. Don't worry I never crack open safes"
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Huhuhuhuhuhuh
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Posted - 2010.04.22 13:52:00 -
[902]
Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha Edited by: Vaerah Vahrokha on 22/04/2010 13:46:41 Edited by: Vaerah Vahrokha on 22/04/2010 13:43:33 Ok now let's quit talking like false b!tches.
I make a living on Win 32 programming and on TCP / IP protocols.
Finding out the issue, knowing what to do with the proper packets, what and where to inject fake lag / packet drop or redirect the internal chat client to a fake / empty chat slot and also how to inject into the client executable AND about how to deal with the indeed soggy pseudointerpreded UI is not an impossible task.
But you don't take anyone by the ass, you did not discover and implement all of this stuff in 24 hours, expecially as "innocent programmer side curiosity".
Gosh. I knew there are a lot of incompetent programmers but you are breaking a new record.
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Also, I find it peculiar how even programmers proficient in TCP / IP (edit: those who play EvE like a game and not a remote ISK pinhata) did not bother seeking for those "known" malware sources but those people here magically found them out in an instant and immediately knew how to use them at full.
so if you are programming guru, can you answer a short question. Who is fyodor and what is he is famous for ?
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Lady Spank
Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta
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Posted - 2010.04.22 13:54:00 -
[903]
Originally by: Kadesh Priestess
Originally by: Lady Spank
Originally by: Kadesh Priestess
Originally by: Lady Spank Run macro ravens.
You can run them too dude. I can do the same too. Accusation without a proof is a bad thing, mkay?
I can't fly battleships.
I can't fly any combat class bigger than a frigate too, but earn my living doing lvl 4 and lvl 5 missions. Thus, it's possible to bot'o'rat in dozens of other ships, even in a viator with assisted pack of fighters.
If I had the stomach for missions, that sounds like a laugh. ~_~
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Waxau
Total Mayhem. Cry Havoc.
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Posted - 2010.04.22 13:56:00 -
[904]
Originally by: Huhuhuhuhuhuh
so if you are programming guru, can you answer a short question. Who is fyodor and what is he is famous for ?
Is he one of those fellas like in Die Hard 4 who lives in the basement? Oh. sOrry. Command Centre.
Oh, how i chuckle at my humour
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Certero
Hades and Charon funeral parlour
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Posted - 2010.04.22 13:56:00 -
[905]
Originally by: Huhuhuhuhuhuh I knew there are a lot of incompetent programmers but you are breaking a new record.
+100!!!
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Tul Kezad
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.04.22 13:58:00 -
[906]
Originally by: Huhuhuhuhuhuh
Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha Edited by: Vaerah Vahrokha on 22/04/2010 13:46:41 Edited by: Vaerah Vahrokha on 22/04/2010 13:43:33 Ok now let's quit talking like false b!tches.
I make a living on Win 32 programming and on TCP / IP protocols.
Finding out the issue, knowing what to do with the proper packets, what and where to inject fake lag / packet drop or redirect the internal chat client to a fake / empty chat slot and also how to inject into the client executable AND about how to deal with the indeed soggy pseudointerpreded UI is not an impossible task.
But you don't take anyone by the ass, you did not discover and implement all of this stuff in 24 hours, expecially as "innocent programmer side curiosity".
Gosh. I knew there are a lot of incompetent programmers but you are breaking a new record.
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Also, I find it peculiar how even programmers proficient in TCP / IP (edit: those who play EvE like a game and not a remote ISK pinhata) did not bother seeking for those "known" malware sources but those people here magically found them out in an instant and immediately knew how to use them at full.
so if you are programming guru, can you answer a short question. Who is fyodor and what is he is famous for ?
nmap?
btw posting in epic thread
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Kadesh Priestess
Scalding Chill
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Posted - 2010.04.22 13:59:00 -
[907]
Originally by: Lady Spank If I had the stomach for missions, that sounds like a laugh.
Come on, that's real. Ratting in 0.0 in stealth bomber or HAC is real thing too, if you ever left empire space you've should seen lot of those.
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MatrixSkye Mk2
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.04.22 14:01:00 -
[908]
Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha You are NOT supposed to rely on local chat to flee like a chicken. You ARE supposed to use the scanner OR to have friends camping the system entrance(s) OR to fight, like you actually played a PvP game.
Who the **** are you to tell me I'm not supposed to use local?
Seriously, stop spouting **** like you're in charge, bro. If you don't like local PETITION TO HAVE IT REMOVED.
STOP excusing the use of exploits because you think we shouldn't be using local.
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Huhuhuhuhuhuh
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Posted - 2010.04.22 14:03:00 -
[909]
Originally by: Tul Kezad
nmap?
btw posting in epic thread
Why ! Now i have to come up with different question . Ah well, win32 programmer, tell me whats so wrong with a++ + ++a
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar Vahrokh Consulting
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Posted - 2010.04.22 14:04:00 -
[910]
Quote:
Gosh. I knew there are a lot of incompetent programmers but you are breaking a new record.
Maybe, I manage to live on that though nor I am going to prove how I work to some shady internet anonymous.
What I know for sure is that I'd not be touched with the idea to forge and hack a MMO client to force a developer immediate response, while the "talented programmers" did not have any regret or fair play principle stopping them for a second. - Auditing & consulting
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Xtover
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.04.22 14:06:00 -
[911]
Edited by: Xtover on 22/04/2010 14:06:27
Originally by: Huhuhuhuhuhuh
Originally by: Tul Kezad
nmap?
btw posting in epic thread
Why ! Now i have to come up with different question . Ah well, win32 programmer, tell me whats so wrong with a++ + ++a
you two need to go wave your nerd e-peens somewhere else. you're both being annoying.
edit: damn even that's censored?
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Lady Spank
Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta
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Posted - 2010.04.22 14:06:00 -
[912]
Originally by: Kadesh Priestess
Originally by: Lady Spank If I had the stomach for missions, that sounds like a laugh.
Come on, that's real. Ratting in 0.0 in stealth bomber or HAC is real thing too, if you ever left empire space you've should seen lot of those.
I mean running missions in a viator. I commented very early on in this thread that I'm surprised at the amount of people that use battleships to rat in 0.0 as they seem to be death traps to me. I've even ratted 0.0 faction cruisers in a Tristan although I don't actually recommend it.
I do leave empire m8. How can you be so mean? :( ~_~
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Certero
Hades and Charon funeral parlour
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Posted - 2010.04.22 14:07:00 -
[913]
Originally by: Xtover you're both being annoying.
same as you mate.
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Xtover
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.04.22 14:13:00 -
[914]
Originally by: Certero
Originally by: Xtover you're both being annoying.
same as you mate.
why don't you go make a macro about it?
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Dabo Girl
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Posted - 2010.04.22 14:16:00 -
[915]
Originally by: karttoon
Originally by: Dabo Girl Alright fellas. I am a PL member, but I'd rather not disclose exactly who I am at this point. PL has developed an internal application known as "The Sphere", which is what MS has been using to 'test' killing botters. I don't have access to the sub-forums to which they are developing this stuff, but someone who did sent me a post that karttoon made the other day with some research on the futher development of the application. I am completely against the creation of eve exploits, so I've decided to release this for you guys to use to help put a stop to this bull****.
Originally by: karttoon
I've found a few ways to improve The Sphere app, but there is still a ton of investigation/work to be done. Injecting the raw IRCD command to join the local channel seems to work 100% of the time using the #local.<system name> channel-set. It appears that issue the app seemed to be running into was that the eve IRCD is developed to be case sensitive for local channels. I'm working on a flat file database list that contains all of the correct cases as placed in the IRCD. If the injection joined the incorrect local channel (which didn't really exist), then the client would disconnect on aggression, causing you to float in space with your **** in your hand. It seems that Monkeys connection issues related to some of his comedy losses were related to the fact he actually didn't join local prior to aggressing on the target. If I can get someone in a covops to roam around and capture the raw packet logs I'll run it through the perl script I wrote to parse the correct system names. At a minimum, we need to do this for all of the eastern and southern systems.
Problem two I looked at is where we are only obtaining a 50% success rate in actually dropping the join channel, variable based on who is testing this. This seems to be due to the fact that the virtual NIC drivers that monkey developed have issued the drop packet command after the packet has already been sent to the server. This is variable by CPU load of the client, network utilization, ping times, and luck. There is no easy way to solve this without completely lagging out the client with a full custom in-line packet inspector. There are some commercial applications that have this functionality for other purposes, and are extremely efficient. Software wise, NOD32 has both built in memory and packet inspection technologies that I think I can tap into to drop entering local. I don't think it will be easy to specify the system, but at a minimum I'm sure I can get it to not join 'any' local channels, where you'd then have to issue the manual injection technique for each system (annoying, but not a huge deal unless you plan to burn around quickly). The second option is to use hardware between your computer and the server, which isn't very practical for anyone. Managing encryption keys for the sessions is also a ton of effort to program. McAfee intrushield hardware (costly unless you get a used unsupported device), or potentially modified snort may be able to do this for us. I'd rather look into this as a last resort since this would either require a virtual machine to be running, adding lag, or additional hardware.
Some irrelevant random points: Toying around I've also discovered ways to join multiple local channels and speak in them remotely, but you randomly get disconnected from the server when doing this. I think it has something to do with CCP's desynch detection code. Private group channels appear to use the +k IRC setting, which means you can't snoop on random channels unless you actually know the channel password. How they've implemented the 'allow' or 'deny' list for the channel is still unknown to me at this point. If I can figure it out, perhaps I can bypass the key requirement with further injections. I'm a bit busy for the next few days doing other things, but I'll keep you guys posted.
Obvious troll.
Right. Nice try bud.
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Certero
Hades and Charon funeral parlour
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Posted - 2010.04.22 14:16:00 -
[916]
Edited by: Certero on 22/04/2010 14:16:42
Originally by: Xtover
Originally by: Certero
Originally by: Xtover you're both being annoying.
same as you mate.
why don't you go make a macro about it?
i hate macros. playing fo fun. i have enough coding at work to code at home too.
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Dabo Girl
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Posted - 2010.04.22 14:17:00 -
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Listen, I don't agree with macro botters being allowed to do what they do, but creating crap like the sphere as a counter is going to ruin eve. Shamis allowing you and the other random EO Goons into PL was probably the worst decision he has ever made. Goons were known for exploiting game mechanics, and you personally were known for all your concord hacks when you were doing all that jihad bull**** in empire. Now you continue to work on this crap in PL. People like you are the cancer of eve, and you're going to ruin our alliance like you did GoonSwarm. Get out!
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Rawr Cristina
Caldari Omerta Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.04.22 14:17:00 -
[918]
Originally by: Lady Spank
Originally by: Kadesh Priestess
Originally by: Lady Spank If I had the stomach for missions, that sounds like a laugh.
Come on, that's real. Ratting in 0.0 in stealth bomber or HAC is real thing too, if you ever left empire space you've should seen lot of those.
I mean running missions in a viator. I commented very early on in this thread that I'm surprised at the amount of people that use battleships to rat in 0.0 as they seem to be death traps to me.
yeah, cruise ravens are really rather bad actually, good for macros as they take zero effort to fly but a good DPS HAC (Zealot,Sacrilege especially) seem way better to me >.>
Only time I tried ratting with a Raven it was a CNR with 7 Siege IIs, 3 BCS, MWD, 2 target painters, webber and Rage Torps. No real tank but killed triple BS spawns so fast you didn't need one
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar Vahrokh Consulting
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Posted - 2010.04.22 14:20:00 -
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Quote:
That's ok i know many indian guys who earn living coding without slightest idea of what they are doing. Just dont jump to conclusions if you encounter someone much better than you are :P
- I did not create a whine thread
- I did not tamper a game client and break the EULA to force it in the developers skins to potentially slow down the work in the expansion and only deal with your pretend immediate WANTS.
- I did not create a whine thread with a wrong title
- I did not create such a thread in the wrong forum for it.
- I did not even copy paste some C++ FAQ to show I know to use Google.
- Heck, I am so bad I even have the guts to post with my main.
I admit my inferiority.
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I believe this comes from incompetence. Its easier to stand moral high ground, like those with weak manhood preach celibate :)
Of couse, moral = weak. I know that this way to talk entices wider and wider empathy with your holy cause.
- Auditing & consulting
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Ranka Mei
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.04.22 14:22:00 -
[920]
Personally, I don't give a (non-npc) rat's ass what the Russians do... at least not in this thread. Because here it only serves to derail the monkey-business story. Monkeyman can apparently stay out of local, and, worse, magically transport (not warp!) himself near any target. That's a game-breaking tactic and, if CCP can ever be moved to investigate, is something he should be banned for, along with all his Pandemic Legion co-conspirators who so openly brag about their hacking scripts and forum.
Perhaps the most shocking thing I learnt in this thread, though, is that CCP is very, very lazy. One can apparently talk about exploits one has developed and used, about client-side manipulation of packet traffic, script-injecting, etc., without CCP so much as blinking. I know they're always more about the the bottom-line (making money) than fair gameplay, but I think they reached an all-time low in this thread. Welcome to the deep-end; it's always deeper than you think.
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Ded MATAP
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Posted - 2010.04.22 14:25:00 -
[921]
Edited by: Ded MATAP on 22/04/2010 14:25:11
Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha
- I did not create a whine thread
- I did not tamper a game client and break the EULA to force it in the developers skins to potentially slow down the work in the expansion and only deal with your pretend immediate WANTS.
- I did not create a whine thread with a wrong title
- I did not create such a thread in the wrong forum for it.
- I did not even copy paste some C++ FAQ to show I know to use Google.
- Heck, I am so bad I even have the guts to post with my main.
I admit my inferiority.
Write this one hundret times on a board.
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dumpertt
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Posted - 2010.04.22 14:28:00 -
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Edited by: dumpertt on 22/04/2010 14:31:53
Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha
I make a living on Win 32 programming and on TCP / IP protocols.
IF it's true, you should be starving, bro. have you EVER heard about common used web debugging tools like fiddler or charlies? it will not help you to exploit eve, but surely will help you to earn 20$ to pay your account.
you are the best evidence that Darwin was wrong - monkeys didn't evolve at all.
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Lady Spank
Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta
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Posted - 2010.04.22 14:30:00 -
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Originally by: dumpertt debagging
Darwin was wrong
~_~
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Xtover
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.04.22 14:33:00 -
[924]
Originally by: Ranka Mei
Perhaps the most shocking thing I learnt in this thread, though, is that CCP is very, very lazy. One can apparently talk about exploits one has developed and used, about client-side manipulation of packet traffic, script-injecting, etc., without CCP so much as blinking. I know they're always more about the the bottom-line (making money) than fair gameplay, but I think they reached an all-time low in this thread. Welcome to the deep-end; it's always deeper than you think.
You have to be an idiot to think this is not a MAJOR issue over at CCP right now.
Do you know why this thread is still open, and why no dev has posted in it? Because they don't want to try to sweep it under like the T20 incident.
Stop criticizing what they are doing by allowing discussion of this, regardless of why they are doing it.
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Huhuhuhuhuhuh
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Posted - 2010.04.22 14:34:00 -
[925]
Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha
- I did not create a whine thread - I did not create a whine thread with a wrong title - I did not create such a thread in the wrong forum for it.
still you whine in it ~ dont like it,dont write.
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- I did not tamper a game client and break the EULA to force it in the developers skins to potentially slow down the work in the expansion and only deal with your pretend immediate WANTS.
Bug is bug, test server is test server. Bugs should be fixed. That's all.
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- I did not even copy paste some C++ FAQ to show I know to use Google.
No google request was used to formulate my question. But if you dont like googlable problems, enjoy another one forum warrior :) So. C++ faq or not, 100mb ethernet, 2 stations hot/standby. we are doing replication from hot to standby using our fancy protocol. The protocol should guarantee order of delivery, should not loose packets, etc. Question is what characteristics regarding data packet size/encoding/compressing should we use to minimize latency and maximize throughput. Kinda real-world problem for tcp/ip programmer i guess.
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- Heck, I am so bad I even have the guts to post with my main.
If you only knew how many brainless monkeys write to this alt asking for exploit details. Sorry i am not going to read all this **** on my main.
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I admit my inferiority.
finally that's the step in right direction.
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I know that this way to talk entices wider and wider empathy with your holy cause.
I dont care about empathy, i care to have this bug fixed.
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dumpertt
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Posted - 2010.04.22 14:38:00 -
[926]
Originally by: Lady Spank
Originally by: dumpertt debagging
Darwin was wrong
oh, thx for spellchecking. i'm russian, u know.
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Admiral RAGE
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Posted - 2010.04.22 14:38:00 -
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Edited by: Admiral RAGE on 22/04/2010 14:38:19 i'm going to be so so so so happy when ccp says "bug fixed" and hundreds more russian macroers continue to die to spherical monkey
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dumpertt
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Posted - 2010.04.22 14:43:00 -
[928]
Originally by: Admiral RAGE Edited by: Admiral RAGE on 22/04/2010 14:38:19 i'm going to be so so so so happy when ccp says "bug fixed" and hundreds more russian macroers continue to die to spherical monkey
know what... you guys are... not that smart as you think. you don't even understand - this bug can be (and will be - now it's just a matter of time) used by macroers to stay invisible, do you?
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BOEHKOP
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Posted - 2010.04.22 14:44:00 -
[929]
Originally by: Lady Spank
Originally by: dumpertt debagging
Darwin was wrong
No, he was right. Some primates just need more generations to develop some abilities (sense of humor in written text, as example). And remember, GOD created all us equal.
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Caine Dreamwalker
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2010.04.22 14:45:00 -
[930]
Originally by: Admiral RAGE Edited by: Admiral RAGE on 22/04/2010 14:38:19 i'm going to be so so so so happy when ccp says "bug fixed" and hundreds more russian macroers continue to die to spherical monkey
I'm so so so so happy to tell you that monkey has no kills since 18th April
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MatrixSkye Mk2
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.04.22 14:46:00 -
[931]
Originally by: Admiral RAGE i'm going to be so so so so happy when ccp says "bug fixed" and spherical monkey is banned
Fixed.
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Dabo Girl
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Posted - 2010.04.22 14:47:00 -
[932]
Originally by: Caine Dreamwalker
Originally by: Admiral RAGE Edited by: Admiral RAGE on 22/04/2010 14:38:19 i'm going to be so so so so happy when ccp says "bug fixed" and hundreds more russian macroers continue to die to spherical monkey
I'm so so so so happy to tell you that monkey has no kills since 18th April
He's probably laying low, since CCP is most definitely watching his activities now.
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Xtover
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.04.22 14:47:00 -
[933]
Edited by: Xtover on 22/04/2010 14:48:37 Edited by: Xtover on 22/04/2010 14:47:43
Originally by: Caine Dreamwalker
Originally by: Admiral RAGE Edited by: Admiral RAGE on 22/04/2010 14:38:19 i'm going to be so so so so happy when ccp says "bug fixed" and hundreds more russian macroers continue to die to spherical monkey
I'm so so so so happy to tell you that monkey has no kills since 18th April
so you are a macro user?
The gloating I see is more like a "haha we win" mentality that only makes you look like you are.
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romek mablung
Caldari OWS Research and Development
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Posted - 2010.04.22 14:52:00 -
[934]
Id like to see exploit closed and exploiter(s) banned.I live in Empire...it makes me wut?Superduper Empire macroer?
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Caine Dreamwalker
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2010.04.22 14:53:00 -
[935]
Originally by: Xtover Edited by: Xtover on 22/04/2010 14:48:37 Edited by: Xtover on 22/04/2010 14:47:43
Originally by: Caine Dreamwalker
Originally by: Admiral RAGE Edited by: Admiral RAGE on 22/04/2010 14:38:19 i'm going to be so so so so happy when ccp says "bug fixed" and hundreds more russian macroers continue to die to spherical monkey
I'm so so so so happy to tell you that monkey has no kills since 18th April
so you are a macro user?
The gloating I see is more like a "haha we win" mentality that only makes you look like you are.
What logic makes you think that my joy about one more evidence that monkey is exploiter is somehow connected to macro using? I dislike bots and I dislike exploiters, and to clarify this - my comment isn't about "ha ha bots win", it's about "ha ha cheaters lose".
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Certero
Hades and Charon funeral parlour
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Posted - 2010.04.22 15:02:00 -
[936]
Edited by: Certero on 22/04/2010 15:02:35
Originally by: Xtover
You have to be an idiot to think this is not a MAJOR issue over at CCP right now.
Do you know why this thread is still open, and why no dev has posted in it? Because they don't want to try to sweep it under like the T20 incident.
Stop criticizing what they are doing by allowing discussion of this, regardless of why they are doing it.
I didn't agree with your previous posts, but you're 100% right here!
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Darth Jihad
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Posted - 2010.04.22 15:06:00 -
[937]
Originally by: romek mablung I live in Empire...
Then why would you care about local? Heh.
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Ranka Mei
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.04.22 15:09:00 -
[938]
Originally by: Xtover
You have to be an idiot to think this is not a MAJOR issue over at CCP right now.
Do you know why this thread is still open, and why no dev has posted in it? Because they don't want to try to sweep it under like the T20 incident.
Stop criticizing what they are doing by allowing discussion of this, regardless of why they are doing it.
Can't say I share your unbridled trust in CCP to do something about it. On the other hand, it has been so ridiculously quiet on CCP's end, that you might be right, after all. Time will tell. -- Gorgeous, delicious, deculture! |
romek mablung
Caldari OWS Research and Development
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Posted - 2010.04.22 15:11:00 -
[939]
Originally by: Darth Jihad
Originally by: romek mablung I live in Empire...
Then why would you care about local? Heh.
Without unbiased local and safe cloaking-id never sucessed to finish Caldari COSMOS...half of it is in7trough lowsec.Epic arc lvl 4 goes low/0.0-choice.Lvl 5 agents are there..ect
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar Vahrokh Consulting
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Posted - 2010.04.22 15:13:00 -
[940]
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IF it's true, you should be starving, bro. have you EVER heard about common used web debugging tools like fiddler or charlies? it will not help you to exploit eve, but surely will help you to earn 20$ to pay your account.
Why should I use http debugging tools when I deal with automotive production lines TCP / IP communication with PLCs, robots, lasers, operator panels and similar?
I had and have to use Wireshark some times, most useful to deal with ISO Siemens encapsulation and similar.
Also, I am quite amused seeing the irked people calling for racism, and then generalize Indians: "indian guys who earn living coding without slightest idea of what they are doing".
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still you whine in it ~ dont like it,dont write.
I am not whining, I am LAUGHING like others do at *some* badly disguised botters breaking any standard to get free of someone playing dirty like they do.
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Bug is bug, test server is test server. Bugs should be fixed. That's all
And general forum is general forum. That is <> "issues and workaround forum" and also <> Sisi feedback forum. Yet, the threadnought - with improper title - is here. Furthermore, details on similar delicate matters should be talked with the appropriate CCP personnel in charge, not to create a BOOM on the general forum.
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Question is what characteristics regarding data packet size/encoding/compressing should we use to minimize latency and maximize throughput.
I tend to get paid to even approach thinking about those things. Anyway you did not specify the acceptable packet size and other details (IE you could get failed transmission with Siemens products because they only support a subset of what you can use in Windows). Or even why you should hand-craft such a solution when it probably costs a fraction to just install a 3rd party, well tested product.
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If you only knew how many brainless monkeys write to this alt asking for exploit details. Sorry i am not going to read all this **** on my main
And this is why you should not post this kind of stuff on a forum.
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I dont care about empathy, i care to have this bug fixed.
There's more in this world than being good at intercepting HTTP messages, grabbing empathy from public and developers is one of them.
- Auditing & consulting
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Certero
Hades and Charon funeral parlour
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Posted - 2010.04.22 15:21:00 -
[941]
Edited by: Certero on 22/04/2010 15:23:23 Edited by: Certero on 22/04/2010 15:21:07
Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha
There's more in this world than being good at intercepting HTTP messages, grabbing empathy from public and developers is one of them.
Rly? Then maybe you need just report on this thread and go away to those things that "there's more in this world"? If you think you can waste your time here we can do it too. No need to learn others how to live.
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Xtover
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.04.22 15:23:00 -
[942]
Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha
Why should I use http debugging tools when I deal with automotive production lines TCP / IP communication with PLCs, robots, lasers, operator panels and similar?
I bet you get all the chicks.
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar Vahrokh Consulting
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Posted - 2010.04.22 16:11:00 -
[943]
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Rly? Then maybe you need just report on this thread and go away to those things that "there's more in this world"? If you think you can waste your time here we can do it too. No need to learn others how to live.
I, along with thousands, are daily witness and victim of macros, they ruin the economy and markets of the products I prefer.
Annoying them in their own thread is a worthy cause and a catharsis.
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I bet you get all the chicks.
No :S Furthermore I get to travel in beautiful places (ie Brazil) yet I end up working 7am to 11pm inside totally anonymous and grey factories, completely missing the scenery.
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fyodor is the one-time hit wonder, that noone takes serious in the community anymore. he didn't do anything significant since nmap back what? 10 years?
Don't mind those questions, money talks. Anyone want to discuss about implementing XYZ? Sure, send phone number, email and time zone and a company representative will contact and setup a meeting for a paid feasibility study.
- Auditing & consulting
When looking for investors, please read http://tinyurl.com/n5ys4h + http://tinyurl.com/lrg4oz
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Neo Gabriel
Gallente Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.04.22 16:29:00 -
[944]
We are waiting for a live demonstration on SISI.
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Certero
Hades and Charon funeral parlour
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Posted - 2010.04.22 16:30:00 -
[945]
Edited by: Certero on 22/04/2010 16:32:55 Edited by: Certero on 22/04/2010 16:32:14 Edited by: Certero on 22/04/2010 16:30:24
Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha
I, along with thousands, are daily witness and victim of macros, they ruin the economy and markets of the products I prefer.
I'm on the same side. And if ccp will solve problem with macros i will be happy. But i don't believe in miracles. They had enough time to do it, but they just don't want to remove macros from game (i don't know why). But i trust Monkey's victims (last victims who are regular pilots and i know they don't use macros) - i cannot proove that Monkey used exploit that Huhuhuhu reproduced, but it looks like he used it for me. So, i don't want Monkey to be banned but i want exploit to be fixed. If you think it helps bots - ask ccp to fight them. I promise i will vote for your petition on bots (as many other players from eve-ru). But i want to play game with the rules from ccp, not from Monkey or Huhuhuhu. As ccp removed local in WH i'm playing accordingly in WH. But i want to use local in any other system as long as ccp don't remove it. And it doesn't matter for me that you think i can play without local. I want to pay my subscription, read faq and evelopedia and play accordingly. And I don't want to change my playing style bcos of cheaters! It's my money i pay ccp and i don't intereting in your advices .
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FOl2TY8
GoonWaffe SOLODRAKBANSOLODRAKBANSO
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Posted - 2010.04.22 16:36:00 -
[946]
The only things I've learned from this thread is that EO are still some pro trollers and that vaeharhawhatever guy can't get laid in Brazil.
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RuleoftheBone
Minmatar The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.04.22 16:54:00 -
[947]
Edited by: RuleoftheBone on 22/04/2010 16:54:16
Originally by: 128th ABC123 I find it fu-cking hilarious that after 100's of posts of paying customers of an obvious exploit, which delivers a clear advantage to players who would abuse it, we have still not seen any reply from CCP to the community regarding it.
Apparently when you sell an MMO you don't have any accountability to your customers.
(yes its an exploit, its being recreated on regular basis and has been known as an exploit for a long while now...)
Probably too busy laughing and gloating over the free additional marketing this gets
WTB more "one every minute".
Also more network/packet protocol expert analyis ~throws out random words gleened from BBC tech o the day~
Free Monkeysphere
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romek mablung
Caldari OWS Research and Development
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Posted - 2010.04.22 16:57:00 -
[948]
+1.Free Monkeysphere from his ship,modules,isk,account.......O,Wait!....
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Kuar Z'thain
Fraser's Finest
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Posted - 2010.04.22 16:59:00 -
[949]
Hey guize,
Anyone have proof Monkeysphere cheated yet?
No? Guess you should hold your breath till they do.
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Lady Spank
Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta
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Posted - 2010.04.22 17:02:00 -
[950]
Originally by: Kuar Z'thain Hey guize,
Anyone have proof Monkeysphere cheated yet?
No? Guess you should hold your breath till they do.
BUT PEOPLE SAID IT WAS TRUE. ~_~
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Certero
Hades and Charon funeral parlour
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Posted - 2010.04.22 17:07:00 -
[951]
Originally by: Lady Spank
BUT PEOPLE SAID IT WAS TRUE.
O rly? So Monkey need to be banned!
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Sjoor
S.A.S Cruel Intentions
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Posted - 2010.04.22 17:11:00 -
[952]
supersafespotbuster v2.3
Old hax. But I love to hear monkeysphere sing on TS.
Originally by: CCC Mitnal Locked.
Please use more content in opening posts.
In our experience using one or two liners inevitably leads to a decline in the standard of posting within the thread.
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Neo Gabriel
Gallente Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.04.22 17:13:00 -
[953]
I don't know if he cheated or not but I'd bet that he did.
I was there with a few other people in system in SISI for the demo and I saw with my own eyes huhu's ibis flying around us in the gate while not being in local. Screenies of the event.
Before huhu came a couple of us witnessed an event where "sisi test" (name of char) warped to the gate where we were in a noob ship while not being in local. Dunno if this was a CCP char or someone else.
After all I've witnessed, I don't know what to say.
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar Vahrokh Consulting
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Posted - 2010.04.22 17:17:00 -
[954]
Quote:
After all I've witnessed, I don't know what to say
What you have to say is that they proved (to you) that the exploit is possible and that it might be what Monkey uses.
Now, only CCP can give their acknowledgement of the issue and to fix it. Only CCP can evaluate and verify wether Monkey is indeed using it or not and then act accordingly. - Auditing & consulting
When looking for investors, please read http://tinyurl.com/n5ys4h + http://tinyurl.com/lrg4oz
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debbie harrio
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Posted - 2010.04.22 17:18:00 -
[955]
Originally by: Caine Dreamwalker
I'm so so so so happy to tell you that monkey has no kills since 18th April
As far as can be gathered The Monkeysphere is stuck in a wormhole waiting for an exit to spawn that will allow his Machariel to exit, he has been stuck for 3/4 days now.
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Raivi
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.04.22 17:19:00 -
[956]
Originally by: debbie harrio
Originally by: Caine Dreamwalker
I'm so so so so happy to tell you that monkey has no kills since 18th April
As far as can be gathered The Monkeysphere is stuck in a wormhole waiting for an exit to spawn that will allow his Machariel to exit, he has been stuck for 3/4 days now.
D. He's been banned. ---------------------------------------------
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MatrixSkye Mk2
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.04.22 17:20:00 -
[957]
Edited by: MatrixSkye Mk2 on 22/04/2010 17:26:12
Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha
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After all I've witnessed, I don't know what to say
What you have to say is that they proved (to you) that the exploit is possible and that it might be what Monkey uses.
Now, only CCP can give their acknowledgement of the issue and to fix it. Only CCP can evaluate and verify wether Monkey is indeed using it or not and then act accordingly.
Heh, I actually agree with you on this. first time I suppose.
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Certero
Hades and Charon funeral parlour
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Posted - 2010.04.22 17:22:00 -
[958]
Edited by: Certero on 22/04/2010 17:22:44
Originally by: Raivi
D. He's been banned.
Why do you need to lie? His char lolinternet was in jita hour ago and spammed in local chat about "russian macrohunters"...
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Lady Karma
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Posted - 2010.04.22 17:23:00 -
[959]
Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2
Originally by: Sjoor supersafespotbuster v2.3
Old hax. But I love to hear monkeysphere sing on TS.
Wait. This monkey dude's been known to be involved with exlpoits before? . Sounds like a swell honest guy. And he's passing judgement on other macro users?
Look how dumb you are
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Neo Gabriel
Gallente Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.04.22 17:25:00 -
[960]
He has not been banned. He was (is) in the channel with us while huhu and Ellatan were doing their thing.
I guess he's very worried he's getting his accounts banned.
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Lee Kin
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Posted - 2010.04.22 17:27:00 -
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The hack exists, I've seen him do it. For me to suddenly believe he didn't use it would be ridiculous. I bet the minmatar carrier he killed was what spawned this threadnaught . Looks like he and goose worked on it for quite a while before the other pl guys were able to help him kill it.
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baltec1
Antares Shipyards Aeternus.
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Posted - 2010.04.22 17:28:00 -
[962]
Edited by: baltec1 on 22/04/2010 17:29:41
Originally by: Lee Kin The hack exists, I've seen him do it. For me to suddenly believe he didn't use it would be ridiculous. I bet the minmatar carrier he killed was what spawned this threadnaught . Looks like he and goose worked on it for quite a while before the other pl guys were able to help him kill it.
Carriers are easily catchable if they are in a belt ratting, hence why most normal people dont do that kind of madness.
Originally by: BOEHKOP
And remember, GOD created all us equal.
No he didnt. He gave me a slightly flawed eye which means I cannot get a pair of custom Jaguar shades with sunflair reflective lenses on pescription
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Certero
Hades and Charon funeral parlour
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Posted - 2010.04.22 17:31:00 -
[963]
Originally by: baltec1 ... hence why most normal people dont do that kind of madness.
+1
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romek mablung
Caldari OWS Research and Development
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Posted - 2010.04.22 17:34:00 -
[964]
I herefore confirm,he used this exploit to kill one POS....o,wait...
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Lee Kin
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Posted - 2010.04.22 17:36:00 -
[965]
I noticed that carrier had a probe launcher, don't assume he was in a belt. He probably assumed he was safe in an anomoly since "THERE WAS NOBODY ELSE IN LOCAL" :P
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Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2010.04.22 17:39:00 -
[966]
Solution to the botter/exloiter madness: Scrap the pc client and go console as both the 360 and ps3 can use a mouse and keyboard.
Originally by: CCP Zymurgist Get off the forums and go kill someone!
Originally by: Amarr Supremacist Yeah, it(Jaguar) almost has cruiser level tank and gank!
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baltec1
Antares Shipyards Aeternus.
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Posted - 2010.04.22 17:39:00 -
[967]
Edited by: baltec1 on 22/04/2010 17:42:50
Originally by: Lee Kin I noticed that carrier had a probe launcher, don't assume he was in a belt. He probably assumed he was safe in an anomoly since "THERE WAS NOBODY ELSE IN LOCAL" :P
If your good with probes you will catch a carrier as they are as effective at turning as the titanic with a whale accidentlied around one of the props. (got loads of these)
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Razin
The xDEATHx Squadron Legion of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2010.04.22 17:40:00 -
[968]
Originally by: Xtover Edited by: Xtover on 22/04/2010 13:55:07
Originally by: Razin
Originally by: Xtover
It still irks me just how quickly it went from "possible exploit" to "we can duplicate it." How long was it, less than a day, before someone was able to do the exact same thing?
Because it took you much longer? Or because you couldn't do it if your life depended on it? Exactly how do you judge how long something like this should take?
Neither, because of the ease in which it was done. ... example:
I'm at a bank, and someone gets trapped in a vault. The dude next to me who was waiting on line runs over and in 10 seconds cracks open the safe. I ask him, "do you work for the company that makes safes?" and he says, "nah I'm just talented. Don't worry I never crack open safes"
What exactly does that mean? Which of the three questions did you answer? Are you basing your 'estimate' on your experience in cracking safes? ...
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Lee Kin
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Posted - 2010.04.22 17:47:00 -
[969]
Originally by: baltec1 Edited by: baltec1 on 22/04/2010 17:42:50
Originally by: Lee Kin I noticed that carrier had a probe launcher, don't assume he was in a belt. He probably assumed he was safe in an anomoly since "THERE WAS NOBODY ELSE IN LOCAL" :P
If your good with hacks it will be easy since the poor bastard will just sit there minding his own business until the arazu enters local 35 km from him)
fixed
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Seh Cunderri
Mythos Corp RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2010.04.22 17:50:00 -
[970]
All I have to say is that I was one of those witnesses on sisi when huhuhuhu jumped into our system.
He was on grid, I targeted him for at least 60 secs, maybe more, I took several screenshots while in the same time he did not appear in local.
Therefore, personally I'm convinced that being on grid while not in local is doable and this is unacceptable
I know that CCP will not respond in this thread, I just wish they, even secretly, apply a fix
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Ellatan Deruimte
Surreal corp Stain Empire
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Posted - 2010.04.22 17:50:00 -
[971]
New tests conducted, new videos will be up in an hour or so. All the people that came by can tell you what they saw themselves.
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Boomershoot
Caldari Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2010.04.22 17:53:00 -
[972]
This thread in a nutshell
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baltec1
Antares Shipyards Aeternus.
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Posted - 2010.04.22 17:54:00 -
[973]
Originally by: Lee Kin
fixed
If you cannot catch a carrier your doing it wrong.
Originally by: Ellatan Deruimte New tests conducted, new videos will be up in an hour or so. All the people that came by can tell you what they saw themselves.
Don't forget to youtube it!
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Razin
The xDEATHx Squadron Legion of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2010.04.22 17:56:00 -
[974]
Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha
Quote:
I bet you get all the chicks.
No :S
I think we're pretty close to the crux of the matter here.
No pun intended. ...
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Blood Mace
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Posted - 2010.04.22 17:56:00 -
[975]
Non local exploit is obviously exists, I saw it couple of minutes ago on SISI by my own eyes. CCP should do some emergency actions because this exploit gives some people illegal advantage.
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Xtover
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.04.22 17:59:00 -
[976]
put them on youtube.
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Neo Gabriel
Gallente Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.04.22 18:01:00 -
[977]
With undeniable proof of concept witnessed by many people, It is only a matter of time.
CCP must ban all of those involved with using this exploit on TQ and all those who supported such a thing.
Evidence surfacing that ccp knew about these vulnerabilities for a long time and did nothing to fix the problems is very disheartening.
I hope they have the courage to admit their omission, punish those responsible for doing this and fixing the game so that further exploits are made impossible to do. I don't care if you have to hotfix this for now, but if you have to re-write the game code then so be it, its been 10 years anyway.
I hate passing by systems where I see people who are in local in hulks and mackinaws 23/7, no matter what time of day I pass through. I don't have experience in 0.0 with bot ratters but I bet it must be very annoying to be nigh-impossible to kill them. I think botting sucks and it has very degrading effect o the game.
CCP is liable for having this still happen because they never (apparently) impemented a fix to get rid of bots (like Blizz's Warden) or by even fixing exploits revealed years ago.
Sure they are all Unholy Rage on RMTers because of obvious reasons but when it comes to macros they turn a blind eye?!
Cmon guys I love this game and I hate seeing this kind of stuff happen. I hope you guys get rid of these problems and these people while you continue to improve the game for us all.
The longer you postpone doing the right thing, the harder it will be the impact when you have no choice left.
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Sturmwolke
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Posted - 2010.04.22 18:11:00 -
[978]
The POC tests ran by huhuhu (a few mins back) is fairly conclusive in proving such exploits currently exist and can be replicated on SISI. You wont know he's there unless you're in the same visual grid or you're vigilant with your directional scanner.
Saved a screenshot, but I doubt if it's anything new to the folks that's aware of this.
P.S There was a mysterious 1 day old char "Sisi Test" that came into HED-GP via Keberz, apparently using the same exploit - but he appeared to have logged shortly thereafter. Oh, The Monkeysphere came onto the channel too, observing for whatever reasons.
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Zartrader
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Posted - 2010.04.22 18:14:00 -
[979]
I hope the botters get their sorry asses banned too. I'm sick of knowing their effect on EVE economy, such as mineral prices, is screwing over legitimate players. The adjustments needed following the Insurance nerf is due to them. Thanks guys. Why can't you cheat in your own game? Do you get excited by the fact your playing in a game you're hated in? Are you that Sociopathic?
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lookatzebirdie
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Posted - 2010.04.22 18:21:00 -
[980]
Originally by: Sturmwolke The POC tests ran by huhuhu (a few mins back) is fairly conclusive in proving such exploits currently exist and can be replicated on SISI. You wont know he's there unless you're in the same visual grid or you're vigilant with your directional scanner.
Saved a screenshot, but I doubt if it's anything new to the folks that's aware of this.
P.S There was a mysterious 1 day old char "Sisi Test" that came into HED-GP via Keberz, apparently using the same exploit - but he appeared to have logged shortly thereafter. Oh, The Monkeysphere came onto the channel too, observing for whatever reasons.
I had been following this thread, eating popcorn, laughing my ass off and engaging in a bit of trolling (sorry) but this is now actually quite disturbing. I honestly think we cannot say who has or hasn't used this exploit, only CCP can confirm that (Ihope) but we now definitely know that the exploit is real.. that's not good.
How long has it been around ? How many ppl knew and how many used it ? Did CCP know and just not do anything ? It's bad enough that this game is still apparently riddled with botters who get an advantage over me and other straight players financially, now I got to accept that some players can use God mode to kill my ship when i pvp ?
Seriously CCP, sort this out and pls, tell us WTF is going on because this is too big of an exploit just to be able to get away with a quiet hotfix and hope nobody notices, we, your paying customers and FAIR, EULA ABIDING PLAYERS want some answers.
Thx.
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romek mablung
Caldari OWS Research and Development
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Posted - 2010.04.22 18:26:00 -
[981]
nobody really knew who,and how long used this....ppl usually thing,fck,bad luck,or...damn,i was careless,when ganked in 0.0 ratting-mining,whatever.
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Certero
Hades and Charon funeral parlour
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Posted - 2010.04.22 18:26:00 -
[982]
Originally by: Zartrader I hope the botters get their sorry asses banned too.
Do you really think that any botters read this thread? Or post here? Or tryed to publicaly reproduce exploits? Be more realistic please. I think you need say thanks to huhuhuhu bcos he wasted his time not only to find and reproduce this bug, but even for public test. He loved this game as much as you, as me, as other players from this forum and from eve-ru. That's why we're wasting our time here. We want ccp to solve problem.
PS: i think it maybe wery useful for botters to hunt/mine not been in local... just think about it.
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Ephemeron
Retribution Corp. Initiative Associates
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Posted - 2010.04.22 18:26:00 -
[983]
While this exploit is very bad, I think this whole issue underscores the need for local change.
Local chat should never be this critical for intelligence gathering. That not joining a chat channel should give people incredible advantage over others is just poor game design.
The exploit should be fixed, offenders banned, and after that, CCP should sit down and finally solve the damn local chat issue once and for all. So this type of thing is never an issue again.
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baltec1
Antares Shipyards Aeternus.
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Posted - 2010.04.22 18:27:00 -
[984]
Originally by: lookatzebirdie
I had been following this thread, eating popcorn, laughing my ass off and engaging in a bit of trolling (sorry) but this is now actually quite disturbing. I honestly think we cannot say who has or hasn't used this exploit, only CCP can confirm that (Ihope) but we now definitely know that the exploit is real.. that's not good.
How long has it been around ? How many ppl knew and how many used it ? Did CCP know and just not do anything ? It's bad enough that this game is still apparently riddled with botters who get an advantage over me and other straight players financially, now I got to accept that some players can use God mode to kill my ship when i pvp ?
Seriously CCP, sort this out and pls, tell us WTF is going on because this is too big of an exploit just to be able to get away with a quiet hotfix and hope nobody notices, we, your paying customers and FAIR, EULA ABIDING PLAYERS want some answers.
Thx.
Riddle me this batman.
Just how many of those empty systems you passed through looking for ratters were really empty?
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Huhuhuhuhuhuh
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Posted - 2010.04.22 18:31:00 -
[985]
Originally by: baltec1
Riddle me this batman.
Just how many of those empty systems you passed through looking for ratters were really empty?
Most likely all of em. Otherwise Monkey killing spree is unexplainable. See, pro-botters are like some small secret circle, just like crackers etc. It a subculture within subculture. And know what happens when one in small subculture catches AIDS ? I saw this happen with moscow LARP community. EVERYONE WENT TO SEE A DOCTOR. Same with cheats.
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romek mablung
Caldari OWS Research and Development
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Posted - 2010.04.22 18:32:00 -
[986]
Edited by: romek mablung on 22/04/2010 18:32:55 Well.if you think chat exploit is bad..concider this.Monkeysphere (supposedly)also managed warp to cloaked ships,managed to warp to targets with unnatural speed,maybe even managed to travel between systems faster,then possible in ship types used.Just check some battleclinic killboard kills of his,on days he was busy-busy,then go to 0.0 with cloaked covops-recon,warp speed rigged-agi rigged,and try to make those routes.People said would gonne be hard task....
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Razin
The xDEATHx Squadron Legion of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2010.04.22 18:32:00 -
[987]
Originally by: Ephemeron While this exploit is very bad, I think this whole issue underscores the need for local change.
Local chat should never be this critical for intelligence gathering. That not joining a chat channel should give people incredible advantage over others is just poor game design.
The exploit should be fixed, offenders banned, and after that, CCP should sit down and finally solve the damn local chat issue once and for all. So this type of thing is never an issue again.
Couldn't agree more. ...
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Kadesh Priestess
Scalding Chill
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Posted - 2010.04.22 18:37:00 -
[988]
Originally by: lookatzebirdie How long has it been around ? How many ppl knew and how many used it ?
I started tracking KB of these PL guys 9-10 months ago, they already had decent history of killing ratting bots. Obviously, i don't have real proof that they used this exploit; but as person who made thousands of attempts to kill bot'o'ratters (which actually took hours per bot, if you're lucky and if its owner is sleeping/afk) i'm sure that they used something unusual to catch ratters (both bots and humans). Killing 4 ravens (with fitting typical for bot ratters) in 30-40 minutes is already decent proof for me, and probably anyone who tried to hunt bots.
Thus, imo exploit is muchh older than 1 year. I'd better ask if there're any other sploits used by MS and team? We have evidences (although not numerous) that they teleported (not waarped) to cloaked ship hanging of fresh safe spot. Anything else?
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baltec1
Antares Shipyards Aeternus.
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Posted - 2010.04.22 18:37:00 -
[989]
Originally by: Huhuhuhuhuhuh
Originally by: baltec1
Riddle me this batman.
Just how many of those empty systems you passed through looking for ratters were really empty?
Most likely all of em. Otherwise Monkey killing spree is unexplainable. See, pro-botters are like some small secret circle, just like crackers etc. It a subculture within subculture. And know what happens when one in small subculture catches AIDS ? I saw this happen with moscow LARP community. EVERYONE WENT TO SEE A DOCTOR. Same with cheats.
Actually its got me thinking. I have quite a few times come across systems with nobody in but had wrecks on scanner or a few cans. At the time I put it down to lazy people who just didnt bother to salvage everything before logging off or leaving system. But now, now I wonder if any of those systems may have had someone in there.
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Zelda Wei
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Posted - 2010.04.22 18:38:00 -
[990]
Originally by: Huhuhuhuhuhuh
No google request was used to formulate my question. But if you dont like googlable problems, enjoy another one forum warrior :) So. C++ faq or not, 100mb ethernet, 2 stations hot/standby. we are doing replication from hot to standby using our fancy protocol. The protocol should guarantee order of delivery, should not loose packets, etc. Question is what characteristics regarding data packet size/encoding/compressing should we use to minimize latency and maximize throughput. Kinda real-world problem for tcp/ip programmer i guess.
How to find answer to your homework question.
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Razor Jaxx
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.04.22 18:39:00 -
[991]
Originally by: Certero PS: i think it maybe very useful for botters to hunt/mine not been in local... just think about it.
Hell, I'd be all for it. As long as they can't rely on local to automate their ****, that's all I'm asking. Knowing that no-one shows in local, I'll still be probing for their ass.
Kill local. Please.
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Neo Gabriel
Gallente Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.04.22 18:39:00 -
[992]
Romek if you can link to KM's of his (or someone somewhere) that could prove impossibility to travel between targets in the time set then this would be another red flag.
Who knows how many times and for how long this exploit has been used? CCP needs to tell us something, even a "We're looking into it" will suffice for now.
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Huhuhuhuhuhuh
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Posted - 2010.04.22 18:42:00 -
[993]
Originally by: baltec1
Actually its got me thinking. I have quite a few times come across systems with nobody in but had wrecks on scanner or a few cans. At the time I put it down to lazy people who just didnt bother to salvage everything before logging off or leaving system. But now, now I wonder if any of those systems may have had someone in there.
Most likely macro raven logged off. Had extremly fun and entertaining experience hunting guy named like fghjke.
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Xtover
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.04.22 18:43:00 -
[994]
Edited by: Xtover on 22/04/2010 18:44:03
Originally by: baltec1
Originally by: Huhuhuhuhuhuh
Originally by: baltec1
Riddle me this batman.
Just how many of those empty systems you passed through looking for ratters were really empty?
Most likely all of em. Otherwise Monkey killing spree is unexplainable. See, pro-botters are like some small secret circle, just like crackers etc. It a subculture within subculture. And know what happens when one in small subculture catches AIDS ? I saw this happen with moscow LARP community. EVERYONE WENT TO SEE A DOCTOR. Same with cheats.
Actually its got me thinking. I have quite a few times come across systems with nobody in but had wrecks on scanner or a few cans. At the time I put it down to lazy people who just didnt bother to salvage everything before logging off or leaving system. But now, now I wonder if any of those systems may have had someone in there.
It's possible even the botters knew of this exploit...that way if it got out they'd know exactly how to duplicate it to show to people.
genius.
the thing is, everyone in the game is now equally suspect.
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lookatzebirdie
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Posted - 2010.04.22 18:43:00 -
[995]
Edited by: lookatzebirdie on 22/04/2010 18:47:18
Originally by: baltec1
Originally by: lookatzebirdie
I had been following this thread, eating popcorn, laughing my ass off and engaging in a bit of trolling (sorry) but this is now actually quite disturbing. I honestly think we cannot say who has or hasn't used this exploit, only CCP can confirm that (Ihope) but we now definitely know that the exploit is real.. that's not good.
How long has it been around ? How many ppl knew and how many used it ? Did CCP know and just not do anything ? It's bad enough that this game is still apparently riddled with botters who get an advantage over me and other straight players financially, now I got to accept that some players can use God mode to kill my ship when i pvp ?
Seriously CCP, sort this out and pls, tell us WTF is going on because this is too big of an exploit just to be able to get away with a quiet hotfix and hope nobody notices, we, your paying customers and FAIR, EULA ABIDING PLAYERS want some answers.
Thx.
Riddle me this batman.
Just how many of those empty systems you passed through looking for ratters were really empty?
I'm fairly certain I expressed my disapproval of botters QUITE ****ING CLEARLY. Do you have a disease which prevents you from looking upwards ?
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Certero
Hades and Charon funeral parlour
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Posted - 2010.04.22 18:43:00 -
[996]
Originally by: Razor Jaxx ... that's all I'm asking.
I asked it 5 times in this thread... no local in 0.0 will be more realistic! But as i know ccp don't want to do it
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Zelda Wei
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Posted - 2010.04.22 18:43:00 -
[997]
Originally by: dumpertt Edited by: dumpertt on 22/04/2010 14:31:53
Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha
I make a living on Win 32 programming and on TCP / IP protocols.
IF it's true, you should be starving, bro. have you EVER heard about common used web debugging tools like fiddler or charlies? it will not help you to exploit eve, but surely will help you to earn 20$ to pay your account.
Help you understand the difference between HTML & TCP/IP coders.
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baltec1
Antares Shipyards Aeternus.
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Posted - 2010.04.22 18:47:00 -
[998]
Originally by: Huhuhuhuhuhuh
Most likely macro raven logged off. Had extremly fun and entertaining experience hunting guy named like fghjke.
Had a great miner last night who kindly "donated" several mil worth of ice into a jetcan
But anyway, thanks to you I will now be scanning those systems, just to be sure.
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Amberlamps
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Posted - 2010.04.22 18:48:00 -
[999]
Originally by: lookatzebirdie
Originally by: Sturmwolke The POC tests ran by huhuhu (a few mins back) is fairly conclusive in proving such exploits currently exist and can be replicated on SISI. You wont know he's there unless you're in the same visual grid or you're vigilant with your directional scanner.
Saved a screenshot, but I doubt if it's anything new to the folks that's aware of this.
P.S There was a mysterious 1 day old char "Sisi Test" that came into HED-GP via Keberz, apparently using the same exploit - but he appeared to have logged shortly thereafter. Oh, The Monkeysphere came onto the channel too, observing for whatever reasons.
I had been following this thread, eating popcorn, laughing my ass off and engaging in a bit of trolling (sorry) but this is now actually quite disturbing. I honestly think we cannot say who has or hasn't used this exploit, only CCP can confirm that (Ihope) but we now definitely know that the exploit is real.. that's not good.
How long has it been around ? How many ppl knew and how many used it ? Did CCP know and just not do anything ? It's bad enough that this game is still apparently riddled with botters who get an advantage over me and other straight players financially, now I got to accept that some players can use God mode to kill my ship when i pvp ?
Seriously CCP, sort this out and pls, tell us WTF is going on because this is too big of an exploit just to be able to get away with a quiet hotfix and hope nobody notices, we, your paying customers and FAIR, EULA ABIDING PLAYERS want some answers.
Thx.
Me too, I contributed a lot to the trolling but now I feel quite bad knowing that this is true.
However, I believe the people who initially complained were macros and I still find it rich that they complain about someone exploiting when they are cheating too.
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Razor Jaxx
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.04.22 18:48:00 -
[1000]
Originally by: Certero
Originally by: Razor Jaxx ... that's all I'm asking.
I asked it 5 times in this thread... no local in 0.0 will be more realistic! But as i know ccp don't want to do it
And yet it'd be a quick and universal fix to the current problem. v0v go figure.
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Razin
The xDEATHx Squadron Legion of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2010.04.22 18:52:00 -
[1001]
Edited by: Razin on 22/04/2010 18:56:34
Originally by: lookatzebirdie Edited by: lookatzebirdie on 22/04/2010 18:47:18
Originally by: baltec1
Riddle me this batman.
Just how many of those empty systems you passed through looking for ratters were really empty?
I'm fairly certain I expressed my disapproval of botters QUITE ****ING CLEARLY. Do you have a disease which prevents you from looking upwards ?
Looking at baltec1's other responses I figure he's just slow. Give him a break.
Earlier in this thread he claimed knowledge of botter infestations. Now he thinks they are invisible. It's useless. ...
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Huhuhuhuhuhuh
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Posted - 2010.04.22 18:56:00 -
[1002]
Originally by: Zelda Wei
How to find answer to your homework question.
Ah Polish guy. Now i understand all your anger and bitterness and forgive you.
Bye.
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romek mablung
Caldari OWS Research and Development
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Posted - 2010.04.22 18:56:00 -
[1003]
Well..now,as i think,from being ganked end it looks exactly like superfast travel,pilot sits in some belt 66 AU from only gate,reads local,then bam...appears Monkey,and after 5-10 sec pilot is pointed,follows dps gank jumping in.He probably switches local on,while warping to 0,after scanned hunter out to 100%,and BM-ing him.Would be weird to be pointed by uncloaked ship,still NOT in local.THAT would be noticed in first week of abuse,but to switch local back last 3-5 sec....might be clever,and enough to catch opponent.
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baltec1
Antares Shipyards Aeternus.
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Posted - 2010.04.22 18:57:00 -
[1004]
Originally by: Razin
Originally by: lookatzebirdie Edited by: lookatzebirdie on 22/04/2010 18:47:18
Originally by: baltec1
Riddle me this batman.
Just how many of those empty systems you passed through looking for ratters were really empty?
I'm fairly certain I expressed my disapproval of botters QUITE ****ING CLEARLY. Do you have a disease which prevents you from looking upwards ?
Looking at baltec1's other responses I figure he's just slow. Give him a break.
Looking back the reply is a bit cryptic on my part. I was agreeing and highlighting another area that this "trick" could cause problems in.
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Phosphorus Palladium
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Posted - 2010.04.22 18:59:00 -
[1005]
Originally by: lookatzebirdie ...I had been following this thread, eating popcorn, laughing my ass off and engaging in a bit of trolling (sorry) but this is now actually quite disturbing. I honestly think we cannot say who has or hasn't used this exploit, only CCP can confirm that (Ihope) but we now definitely know that the exploit is real.. that's not good...
Not good at all.
Big thanks to Huhuhuhu for spending his time bringing this to light. Someone like him should be on CCPs payroll.
To those still having a laugh about this exploit - you are a disgrace to this game.
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lookatzebirdie
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Posted - 2010.04.22 19:03:00 -
[1006]
Originally by: baltec1
Originally by: Razin
Originally by: lookatzebirdie Edited by: lookatzebirdie on 22/04/2010 18:47:18
Originally by: baltec1
Riddle me this batman.
Just how many of those empty systems you passed through looking for ratters were really empty?
I'm fairly certain I expressed my disapproval of botters QUITE ****ING CLEARLY. Do you have a disease which prevents you from looking upwards ?
Looking at baltec1's other responses I figure he's just slow. Give him a break.
Looking back the reply is a bit cryptic on my part. I was agreeing and highlighting another area that this "trick" could cause problems in.
okies
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dumpertt
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Posted - 2010.04.22 19:16:00 -
[1007]
Edited by: dumpertt on 22/04/2010 19:22:23
Originally by: Zelda Wei
Originally by: dumpertt Edited by: dumpertt on 22/04/2010 14:31:53
Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha
I make a living on Win 32 programming and on TCP / IP protocols.
IF it's true, you should be starving, bro. have you EVER heard about common used web debugging tools like fiddler or charlies? it will not help you to exploit eve, but surely will help you to earn 20$ to pay your account.
Help you understand the difference between HTML & TCP/IP coders.
oh, thx, man. the problem is that i don't really wanna tell that genius tcp/ip coder about how exactly the exploit can be recreated. but he (and maybe you) got me: it really takes weeks and YEARS to push a button to create a pf rule using wireshark (he really used it, didn't he?)
or maybe he just handicapped.
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Certero
Hades and Charon funeral parlour
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Posted - 2010.04.22 19:26:00 -
[1008]
Originally by: dumpertt
or maybe he just handicapped.
Think it was no need to post details... he is bad tcp/ip coder, but it would be better to edit your post i think...
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Aristokratka
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Posted - 2010.04.22 19:27:00 -
[1009]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFoHT__KYDA&feature=player_embedded
Video from nOOb ship
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Lady Karma
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Posted - 2010.04.22 19:31:00 -
[1010]
Originally by: Aristokratka http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFoHT__KYDA&feature=player_embedded
Video from nOOb ship
I notice you still haven't managed to reproduce the pilot reappearing in local without needing a session change.
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Orephia
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Posted - 2010.04.22 19:31:00 -
[1011]
"Nothing the EVE client can do can affect the game state, no advantage can be gained by manipulating the EVE client, no advantageous or disadvantageous information can be transmitted to other EVE users by altering the EVE client." ~attributed to CCP in first pb comment responding to Abuser's python source leak, now a full 2 years ago.
Even tho it's injection, so the client isn't modified directly, a response from CCP on the exploit will need to address this claim.
PL trolls back under their bridges? They've known this was real all along, has been for a long time, & did very well trying to derail it, hiding the truth in plain sight while dropping pooh all around it. |
xo3e
The Deliberate Forces
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Posted - 2010.04.22 19:31:00 -
[1012]
Quote: (he really used it, didn't he?)
PCap + Java = WIN
(another blackhat huxxor ITT) maim, kill, burn! |
romek mablung
Caldari OWS Research and Development
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Posted - 2010.04.22 19:32:00 -
[1013]
Link NoLocalExploitProofOnYouTube
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dumpertt
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Posted - 2010.04.22 19:33:00 -
[1014]
Originally by: Certero Edited by: Certero on 22/04/2010 19:27:14
Originally by: dumpertt
or maybe he just handicapped.
Think it wasn't needed to post details... he is bad tcp/ip coder, but it would be better to edit your post i think...
that still was not a way to exploit a bug, but ok - deleted.
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Certero
Hades and Charon funeral parlour
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Posted - 2010.04.22 19:35:00 -
[1015]
Originally by: dumpertt but ok - deleted.
+100 ccp don't like such things i guess.
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Huhuhuhuhuhuh
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Posted - 2010.04.22 19:37:00 -
[1016]
Originally by: Lady Karma
I notice you still haven't managed to reproduce the pilot reappearing in local without needing a session change.
Please wait for Ellaran video. It also features Lenin's portrait.
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Certero
Hades and Charon funeral parlour
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Posted - 2010.04.22 19:40:00 -
[1017]
Originally by: Huhuhuhuhuhuh
Please wait for Ellaran video. It also features Lenin's portrait.
If you post this portrait here or on eve-ru i'll put it in my signature and will use it as "Cheaters-free EVE" sign!
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Tonto Auri
Vhero' Multipurpose Corp
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Posted - 2010.04.22 19:41:00 -
[1018]
Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha
Quote:
Bug is bug, test server is test server. Bugs should be fixed. That's all
And general forum is general forum. That is <> "issues and workaround forum" and also <> Sisi feedback forum. Yet, the threadnought - with improper title - is here. Furthermore, details on similar delicate matters should be talked with the appropriate CCP personnel in charge, not to create a BOOM on the general forum.
Unfortunalety for CCP (i'm not repeating this too often?) such practice of private discussions showed it's complete incompetence in the past FOUR YEARS. Right now, it seems just that the only way to have CCP start fixing really critical issues, including fundamental design flaws, is to have the public discussion wide enough to create significant resonance. First public fail (to my understanding) was happened, when Abuser put EVE client source codes in public. He got his hands on it, inspected it and pointed out major issues. CCP refused to fix them... (Hearsays... but someone with better knowledge could always correct me, if i'm wrong) -- Thanks CCP for cu |
Huhuhuhuhuhuh
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Posted - 2010.04.22 19:43:00 -
[1019]
Originally by: Certero
Originally by: Huhuhuhuhuhuh
Please wait for Ellaran video. It also features Lenin's portrait.
If you post this portrait here or on eve-ru i'll put it in my signature and will use it as "Cheaters-free[ EVE" sign!
here you go : http://img1.liveinternet.ru/images/attach/b/3/26/62/26062059_Lenin_v_gorkah_1.jpg Image is now a URL. Shadow
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Mira Lemuria
Gallente Automated Stellar Systems
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Posted - 2010.04.22 20:02:00 -
[1020]
Edited by: Mira Lemuria on 22/04/2010 20:02:36 warped /w alt to gate, saw a drake check screenshot for proof...
http://img638.imageshack.us/img638/2255/haxeve.jpg mirror: http://apeocorp.com/evenotlocal/hax_eve.jpg
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salva dore
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Posted - 2010.04.22 20:02:00 -
[1021]
thread resume:
PL: i guess its not an exploit because it was used to kill macroers. Russian community: omg!!! macro? proof!! PL: you are "russkies". 100% proof ^^) RC: well. JUST. LOOK. ITS. AN EXPLOIT. ANYWAY. IT WAS USED FOR YEARS. check his killboard - its impossible to move so fast between systems. its impossible to kill ships in cloack on new safe spot. what is going on? PL: we dont care - we are awesome. You are cheaters and macroes.
Guys, what are you talking about? Monkeysphere is PL hero now - may be he already got 3-4 decorations. Noone will be banned. Exсept guys who will reproduce this bug. CCP will close this exploit later. may be. relax :)
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SuperTight5
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Posted - 2010.04.22 20:04:00 -
[1022]
Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha
And general forum is general forum. That is <> "issues and workaround forum" and also <> Sisi feedback forum. Yet, the threadnought - with improper title - is here.
1. Read the first post before any updates and tell me what is wrong with the title. 2. I would agree with "wrong forum" but it is up to CCP moderators to move it to the proper place. 3. Stop whining. (profit part skipped)
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romek mablung
Caldari OWS Research and Development
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Posted - 2010.04.22 20:06:00 -
[1023]
Originally by: Mira Lemuria Edited by: Mira Lemuria on 22/04/2010 20:02:36 warped /w alt to gate, saw a drake check screenshot for proof...
http://img638.imageshack.us/img638/2255/haxeve.jpg mirror: http://apeocorp.com/evenotlocal/hax_eve.jpg
Seems djinn is out of bottle.prepare for invasion of not in local chat pilots!
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edrenbaton
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Posted - 2010.04.22 20:07:00 -
[1024]
Originally by: Mira Lemuria warped /w alt to gate, saw a drake check screenshot for proof...
http://img638.imageshack.us/img638/2255/haxeve.jpg mirror: http://apeocorp.com/evenotlocal/hax_eve.jpg
Is this guy Pandemic? If so - its not a proof. Server logs shows nothing. enjoy.
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USS Uessess
Perkone
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Posted - 2010.04.22 20:18:00 -
[1025]
Originally by: Certero
Originally by: Huhuhuhuhuhuh
Please wait for Ellaran video. It also features Lenin's portrait.
If you post this portrait here or on eve-ru i'll put it in my signature and will use it as "Cheaters-free EVE" sign!
You're linking pictures of dictators that caused the massacres of thousands of innocent people.
You should be banned for being such a fascist.
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Kadesh Priestess
Scalding Chill
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Posted - 2010.04.22 20:20:00 -
[1026]
Originally by: USS Uessess You're linking pictures of dictators that caused the massacres of thousands of innocent people.
You should be banned for being such a fascist.
I think you're confusing him with another person.
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Mira Lemuria
Gallente Automated Stellar Systems
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Posted - 2010.04.22 20:20:00 -
[1027]
Originally by: edrenbaton
Originally by: Mira Lemuria warped /w alt to gate, saw a drake check screenshot for proof...
http://img638.imageshack.us/img638/2255/haxeve.jpg mirror: http://apeocorp.com/evenotlocal/hax_eve.jpg
Is this guy Pandemic? If so - its not a proof. Server logs shows nothing. enjoy.
no he (Denis Savchenko) http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=Denis+Savchenko
is..
from R.u.S.H. - Fanactics [.RUF.] for 2 months 1 day (at time of writing), corp is member of Ultima Ratio alliance,
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Lady Karma
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Posted - 2010.04.22 20:22:00 -
[1028]
Originally by: Mira Lemuria
no he (Denis Savchenko) http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=Denis+Savchenko
is..
from R.u.S.H. - Fanactics [.RUF.] for 2 months 1 day (at time of writing), corp is member of Ultima Ratio alliance,
Did he perhaps suddenly warp to about 1,000,000km away shortly after that screenshot was taken
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Certero
Hades and Charon funeral parlour
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Posted - 2010.04.22 20:24:00 -
[1029]
Originally by: USS Uessess
You should be banned for being such a fascist.
I want to bann all those people who posted in this thread something like "all russians are macrousers", "their children are criying when bots diying" and so on... I saw about 10-15 people here who need to be banned for their racism! But they are still here. Think you need to solve this problem first. In Litva and Latvia there are celebrations for those men who fight for fascism in WWII and European Union didn't say anything on that. So i think i can decide what pictures to post without your advice.
* EVE-RU vs Cheaters *
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Kadesh Priestess
Scalding Chill
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Posted - 2010.04.22 20:26:00 -
[1030]
I think everyone in this thread should stop posting about realpolitiks.
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romek mablung
Caldari OWS Research and Development
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Posted - 2010.04.22 20:27:00 -
[1031]
Shaddy area,in country i live,veterans,who fought against russians in WWII are most privileged vets....and they deserved it with their blood....
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Mira Lemuria
Gallente Automated Stellar Systems
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Posted - 2010.04.22 20:27:00 -
[1032]
Originally by: Lady Karma
Originally by: Mira Lemuria
no he (Denis Savchenko) http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=Denis+Savchenko
is..
from R.u.S.H. - Fanactics [.RUF.] for 2 months 1 day (at time of writing), corp is member of Ultima Ratio alliance,
Did he perhaps suddenly warp to about 1,000,000km away shortly after that screenshot was taken
check the speed-o meter... states 0 m/s, if he was alligning or just gonna be warping a number should have stated he was going atleast stuff like 40m/s yet he was just idle.... (read: 0 m/s)
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Vicomte de'Bragelonne
Gallente Fugitive Biomass
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Posted - 2010.04.22 20:28:00 -
[1033]
Originally by: Mira Lemuria
no he (Denis Savchenko) http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=Denis+Savchenko
is..
from R.u.S.H. - Fanactics [.RUF.] for 2 months 1 day (at time of writing), corp is member of Ultima Ratio alliance,
So what? The logs show nothing. enjoy. (as somebody said)
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Mira Lemuria
Gallente Automated Stellar Systems
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Posted - 2010.04.22 20:37:00 -
[1034]
Originally by: Vicomte de'Bragelonne
Originally by: Mira Lemuria
no he (Denis Savchenko) http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=Denis+Savchenko
is..
from R.u.S.H. - Fanactics [.RUF.] for 2 months 1 day (at time of writing), corp is member of Ultima Ratio alliance,
So what? The logs show nothing. enjoy. (as somebody said)
Quote: Hello Event, Thanks for bringing this to our attention. We will investigate the issue and take appropriate action. I am now closing this petition, thanks again for your help on that matter. Best regards, Senior GM Nythanos The EVE Online Customer Support Team
Not By this Senior GM ;-)
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rofflesausage
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Posted - 2010.04.22 20:37:00 -
[1035]
I reported an issue which was identical to this in 2009 in June. Now if it was being caused by the same exploit, I don't know.
I included system names, the people in system, what the other players name was, the time it happened etc...(and I had screenshots IIRC). The GM got back to me and asked me to make a new petition on the main website. I have to be honest and say I never got around to this, life was just to busy and I kinda forgot about it (plus I'd already filed one, I didn't really think chasing it up any further would have made a difference).
Interestingly, when I logged my alt in to the same system, they *could* see the player in local, the existing ones couldn't. Wonder if this is the case on the test server for those that are trying it?
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Deus Ex'Machina
The-Machine
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Posted - 2010.04.22 20:47:00 -
[1036]
Originally by: salva dore thread resume:
PL: i guess its not an exploit because it was used to kill macroers. Russian community: omg!!! macro? proof!! PL: you are "russkies". 100% proof ^^) RC: well. JUST. LOOK. ITS. AN EXPLOIT. ANYWAY. IT WAS USED FOR YEARS. check his killboard - its impossible to move so fast between systems. its impossible to kill ships in cloack on new safe spot. what is going on? PL: we dont care - we are awesome. You are cheaters and macroes.
Guys, what are you talking about? Monkeysphere is PL hero now - may be he already got 3-4 decorations. Noone will be banned. Exсept guys who will reproduce this bug. CCP will close this exploit later. may be. relax :)
Sadly, I think this is true, even the mods cut trough this thread and burn every post that asks for blood.
Could PL be the new BOB? - Arkanon: EXPLAIN YOURSELF, EVILDOER! Sharkbait: Dude. |
Skylar Gray
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Posted - 2010.04.22 20:49:00 -
[1037]
I'm jealous of the ISK he's made.
Ban him.
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Pr1ncess Alia
Caldari Perkone
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Posted - 2010.04.22 20:53:00 -
[1038]
clearly the solution here is to remove local.
"A game that is significantly nonlinear is sometimes described as being open-ended or a sandbox, and is characterized by there being no "right way" of playing the game." |
kaisersauzee
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2010.04.22 20:56:00 -
[1039]
I DEMAND CCP BAN THE HAXPLOITER HUHUHUHUHUHUH! |
Ded MATAP
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Posted - 2010.04.22 20:58:00 -
[1040]
Originally by: kaisersauzee I DEMAND CCP BAN THE HAXPLOITER HUHUHUHUHUHUH!
If YOU demand then they sure must obey, oh lord!
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xo3e
The Deliberate Forces
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Posted - 2010.04.22 20:59:00 -
[1041]
Edited by: xo3e on 22/04/2010 20:59:40
Quote: clearly the solution here is to remove local.
Removing local in 0.0 space is ok, but what u gonna do with low/hisec? without local there, wardec will totally ruin l4 farming and it will affect eve economy ))))
maim, kill, burn! |
Dave Hourai
Gallente Death of Virtue MeatSausage EXPRESS
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Posted - 2010.04.22 20:59:00 -
[1042]
So this exploit involves scripting?
I hear you have to block packets between you and CCP to trick the game into losing track of you or something like that. . . No Beginning, No End |
Jeremey
Glittering Dust
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Posted - 2010.04.22 20:59:00 -
[1043]
Edited by: Jeremey on 22/04/2010 21:00:58 First part of new video from Ellatan on testserver, reproducing the exploit and scenario that were used by Pandemic Legion's The Monkeysphere to kill players on Tranqulity.
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romek mablung
Caldari OWS Research and Development
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Posted - 2010.04.22 21:00:00 -
[1044]
Originally by: kaisersauzee I DEMAND CCP BAN THE HAXPLOITER HUHUHUHUHUHUH!
I accidentally ...local chat.No?Yes?
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kaisersauzee
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2010.04.22 21:08:00 -
[1045]
Originally by: romek mablung
Originally by: kaisersauzee I DEMAND CCP BAN THE HAXPLOITER HUHUHUHUHUHUH!
I accidentally ...local chat.No?Yes?
Yes HUHUHUHUHUHUH is exploiter ban him pls |
Galgacus
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Posted - 2010.04.22 21:09:00 -
[1046]
Originally by: Jeremey Edited by: Jeremey on 22/04/2010 21:00:58 First part of new video from Ellatan on testserver, reproducing the exploit and scenario that were used by Pandemic Legion's The Monkeysphere to kill players on Tranqulity.
Very interesting. o__O
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j1T4tR4d3AlT
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Posted - 2010.04.22 21:10:00 -
[1047]
Originally by: Jeremey Edited by: Jeremey on 22/04/2010 21:00:58 First part of new video from Ellatan on testserver, reproducing the exploit and scenario that were used by Pandemic Legion's The Monkeysphere to kill players on Tranqulity.
Allegedly used by Monkeysphere.
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Dave Hourai
Gallente Death of Virtue MeatSausage EXPRESS
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Posted - 2010.04.22 21:12:00 -
[1048]
First post on video lol
+1
Seriously though. . . bull****. No Beginning, No End |
Squall5668
Mythos Corp RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2010.04.22 21:13:00 -
[1049]
Originally by: Jeremey Edited by: Jeremey on 22/04/2010 21:00:58 First part of new video from Ellatan on testserver, reproducing the exploit and scenario that were used by Pandemic Legion's The Monkeysphere to kill players on Tranqulity.
i love the ending, "some of you might say that we used a log off trick"... well then why didnt you add huhu to you buddy list
also: x wanted to be a part of this epic tear thread
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Galgacus
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Posted - 2010.04.22 21:15:00 -
[1050]
Originally by: Squall5668 well then why didnt you add huhu to you buddy list
As someone said on youtube, " Verified not to be a logonski by the fact that Huhuhu IS IN ANOTHER CHANNEL ON THE SCREEN, THUS ONLINE"
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Cpt Branko
Retired Pirate Club
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Posted - 2010.04.22 21:16:00 -
[1051]
Interesting.
I assume asking whether someone put up the source code somewhere public is too much, or would for a small ISK donation? Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint |
Jeremey
Glittering Dust
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Posted - 2010.04.22 21:20:00 -
[1052]
Second part of Ellatan's video published by him.
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Galgacus
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Posted - 2010.04.22 21:26:00 -
[1053]
Originally by: Jeremey Second part of Ellatan's video published by him.
That's pretty awesome. Appearing in local chat on command, without speaking either.
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sih noh
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Posted - 2010.04.22 21:27:00 -
[1054]
Edited by: sih noh on 22/04/2010 21:28:29 http://www.isxgames.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3691&highlight=scanner explanation of what monkey does, from a victim youl have to decipher the rusglish
hello everyone! i have a problem with bot killers. i believe not only me. the problem is: then hostile enter the system bot run on NotWhiteListPilot to SSpot(pos in my example). If bot arrive to SSpot while hostile in local, bot switch to wait some time in ss after hostile leave local. But if hostile leave local while bot IN Warp to SS, bot didn't switch to WAIT and warp to NEXT belt or even FIRST Belt in list. So what we have summary: Hostile enter system, warp to any belt and logoff in warp. Bot run to SS cause Hostile enter the system. Arrive to SS and as local is clear it warp to next belt. hostile login back on belt. looking: if bot not in belt, logoff for a 1-2 min again. bot arrive in next belt from SS and back to SS then hostile login back. and again back to next belt from SS cause Hostile is logedoff and bot don't switch to Wait timer. so in 1-10 tries bot will warp directly to the belt with botkiller and if they use scanner in first enter and know the group of belts where the bot was then they enter, they can kill bot in 1-3 tries. :cry: |
Noesis Dream
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Posted - 2010.04.22 21:30:00 -
[1055]
Nice job (and nice vid.) on making this exploit public huhuhuhu and Ellatan. Lets just hope ccp will fix this soon and ban all TQ exploiters.
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James Tritanius
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Posted - 2010.04.22 21:32:00 -
[1056]
Originally by: sih noh Edited by: sih noh on 22/04/2010 21:28:29 http://www.isxgames.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3691&highlight=scanner explanation of what monkey does, from a victim youl have to decipher the rusglish
hello everyone! i have a problem with bot killers. i believe not only me. the problem is: then hostile enter the system bot run on NotWhiteListPilot to SSpot(pos in my example). If bot arrive to SSpot while hostile in local, bot switch to wait some time in ss after hostile leave local. But if hostile leave local while bot IN Warp to SS, bot didn't switch to WAIT and warp to NEXT belt or even FIRST Belt in list. So what we have summary: Hostile enter system, warp to any belt and logoff in warp. Bot run to SS cause Hostile enter the system. Arrive to SS and as local is clear it warp to next belt. hostile login back on belt. looking: if bot not in belt, logoff for a 1-2 min again. bot arrive in next belt from SS and back to SS then hostile login back. and again back to next belt from SS cause Hostile is logedoff and bot don't switch to Wait timer. so in 1-10 tries bot will warp directly to the belt with botkiller and if they use scanner in first enter and know the group of belts where the bot was then they enter, they can kill bot in 1-3 tries. :cry:
Lemme guess, you didn't read the thread?
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Galgacus
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Posted - 2010.04.22 21:33:00 -
[1057]
Originally by: James Tritanius
Originally by: sih noh Edited by: sih noh on 22/04/2010 21:28:29 http://www.isxgames.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3691&highlight=scanner explanation of what monkey does, from a victim youl have to decipher the rusglish
hello everyone! i have a problem with bot killers. i believe not only me. the problem is: then hostile enter the system bot run on NotWhiteListPilot to SSpot(pos in my example). If bot arrive to SSpot while hostile in local, bot switch to wait some time in ss after hostile leave local. But if hostile leave local while bot IN Warp to SS, bot didn't switch to WAIT and warp to NEXT belt or even FIRST Belt in list. So what we have summary: Hostile enter system, warp to any belt and logoff in warp. Bot run to SS cause Hostile enter the system. Arrive to SS and as local is clear it warp to next belt. hostile login back on belt. looking: if bot not in belt, logoff for a 1-2 min again. bot arrive in next belt from SS and back to SS then hostile login back. and again back to next belt from SS cause Hostile is logedoff and bot don't switch to Wait timer. so in 1-10 tries bot will warp directly to the belt with botkiller and if they use scanner in first enter and know the group of belts where the bot was then they enter, they can kill bot in 1-3 tries. :cry:
Lemme guess, you didn't read the thread?
I was thinking the same thing.
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Xtover
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.04.22 21:37:00 -
[1058]
Originally by: sih noh Edited by: sih noh on 22/04/2010 21:28:29 http://www.isxgames.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3691&highlight=scanner explanation of what monkey does, from a victim youl have to decipher the rusglish
hello everyone! i have a problem with bot killers. i believe not only me. the problem is: then hostile enter the system bot run on NotWhiteListPilot to SSpot(pos in my example). If bot arrive to SSpot while hostile in local, bot switch to wait some time in ss after hostile leave local. But if hostile leave local while bot IN Warp to SS, bot didn't switch to WAIT and warp to NEXT belt or even FIRST Belt in list. So what we have summary: Hostile enter system, warp to any belt and logoff in warp. Bot run to SS cause Hostile enter the system. Arrive to SS and as local is clear it warp to next belt. hostile login back on belt. looking: if bot not in belt, logoff for a 1-2 min again. bot arrive in next belt from SS and back to SS then hostile login back. and again back to next belt from SS cause Hostile is logedoff and bot don't switch to Wait timer. so in 1-10 tries bot will warp directly to the belt with botkiller and if they use scanner in first enter and know the group of belts where the bot was then they enter, they can kill bot in 1-3 tries. :cry:
hehe macro users.
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Jinghua
R.u.S.H. - Fanatics Ultima Rati0
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Posted - 2010.04.22 21:37:00 -
[1059]
Edited by: Jinghua on 22/04/2010 21:38:39
Originally by: sih noh Edited by: sih noh on 22/04/2010 21:28:29 http:// www. omgbot .com/forums/showthread.php?t=3691&highlight=scanner explanation of what monkey does, from a victim youl have to decipher the rusglish
Stop posting links to your bot forums. Thank you.
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romek mablung
Caldari OWS Research and Development
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Posted - 2010.04.22 21:38:00 -
[1060]
Monkey killed bots for ages,then something happened-he either went slappy,greedy or rampage against all russian pilots,including no bots....epic fail.Actually, by russian forum-he even tryed blackmail some pilot not afking for dropped loot (those forum combat log txt excerpts are yeah,reel proof!ofc...but still)
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Galgacus
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Posted - 2010.04.22 21:40:00 -
[1061]
Slightly OT; but this thread where people complain about being banned using a macro is amusing reading whilst we wait for more vids.
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cigarellos
Path of Now and Forever
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Posted - 2010.04.22 21:56:00 -
[1062]
Originally by: The Monkeysphere Just check your logs, they show everything. If you didn't macro you'd know what I'm doing is perfectly fine.
Ah yes, its fun when you go back to the first page after all the evidence has surfaced. Pandemic Legion monkeys stopped posting about halfway into the thread and many people edited their initial comments. So where did the trolls and people being "fat somewhere else" go?
-cig
/Using these and getting more popcorn!
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Lady Karma
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Posted - 2010.04.22 22:05:00 -
[1063]
Originally by: cigarellos
Ah yes, its fun when you go back to the first page after all the evidence has surfaced. Pandemic Legion monkeys stopped posting about halfway into the thread and many people edited their initial comments. So where did the trolls and people being "fat somewhere else" go?
You speak of evidence, but I didn't see monkeysphere in any of those videos. The only evidence posted in this thread is that a couple of russian guys are more than capable of hacking the eve client.
I know that you buy ISK, my proof is that there are sites selling it, so you must be guilty.
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Cpt Branko
Retired Pirate Club
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Posted - 2010.04.22 22:06:00 -
[1064]
It would be epic to release this source code on the forums until it got fixed. 90% of EVE population which does not read the forums appears in local, everyone else is farming them Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint |
Orephia
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Posted - 2010.04.22 22:07:00 -
[1065]
Originally by: cigarellos many people edited their initial comments. So where did the trolls...go?
back to hiding under packet-dropping bridges. & eve-search still has the record of their denials |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar Vahrokh Consulting
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Posted - 2010.04.22 22:09:00 -
[1066]
Edited by: Vaerah Vahrokha on 22/04/2010 22:10:40
Quote:
it really takes weeks and YEARS to push a button to create a pf rule using wireshark (he really used it, didn't he?)
If only it was not said that there were "old sources" that got adapted. Those are not a pf rule.
Quote:
that still was not a way to exploit a bug, but ok - deleted.
Why, being coward is not going to help, when it's all recorded for everyone to see. But hey, why should I even mention that forums are saved in a 3rd party site (making ninja editing pointless) to genius coders?
- Auditing & consulting
When looking for investors, please read http://tinyurl.com/n5ys4h + http://tinyurl.com/lrg4oz
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romek mablung
Caldari OWS Research and Development
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Posted - 2010.04.22 22:11:00 -
[1067]
Well,my guess is,either russian,or somebody else will makes source avaylable,if it isnt fixed asap...or maybe not,founders-keep.Make deep safe spot about 500-2000 au in hostile system....after dt get gank in and put on safe-gank somebody,dunno...farmer-miner,whatever...profit?!?,without even fitting cloak.They wont see you even coming...and if logs dont log it,god help all 0.0 pvpers....and wf ones too.
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Xtover
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.04.22 22:14:00 -
[1068]
Originally by: romek mablung Well,my guess is,either russian,or somebody else will makes source avaylable,if it isnt fixed asap...or maybe not,founders-keep.Make deep safe spot about 500-2000 au in hostile system....after dt get gank in and put on safe-gank somebody,dunno...farmer-miner,whatever...profit?!?,without even fitting cloak.They wont see you even coming...and if logs dont log it,god help all 0.0 pvpers....and wf ones too.
if the exploit gets released CCP will have to make a hotfix asap.
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species2143
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Posted - 2010.04.22 22:16:00 -
[1069]
The argumentation that exploiting is ok to counter macrobots is as reasonable as nuclear first-strike to avoid a war. It's just an excuse, and a rather poor one may I add. There is no such thing as a "good/bad" exploiter" and a "good/bad" macrobot, these are concepts attempting to polarize the sides with the ultimate effect of losing sight of the real goal (everyone playing and competing within the limitations imposed by EULA and game mechanics) we should be steering towards. If our skills no longer matter compared to the skills of our opponent (PVP, market, politics, ISK etc etc), then what purpose is there to be playing this game online at all?
There will always be people needing more proof than what has already been delivered so far, which is far more than any of the naysayers have been able to provide... Not a single one of the tactics suggested so far, was able to achieve even close to the same results that are being complained about. So what gives? Where are all these superior tactics that allow the killing of players/botters that have been immune to PVP in the last years? Are we all just a bunch of clueless noobs that still have so much to learn from the PVP perspective? Really? All it would take to make this whole thing fall back to page 1 like a castle of cards, is a detailed explanation of how this superior tactic works... In the end the only entity that needs to prove this exploit exists is the same one that will have to fix it.
To the people trying to crucify monkey and PL I can only say, let CCP handle the sanctions and consequences according to their interests. I am sure that *if* monkey is in fact achieving results well superior to the average player without cheating, then he won't have a problem making sure everyone knows about it. The real source of the problem in my opinion lies further down the rabbit whole, and is the same problem forcing players (such as PL and others) to become inventive to solve issues that CCP seems unwilling to waste time and resources on (lag, security, bugs, User Interface, etc etc) due to their priorities (bug fixing --> no new money / new content --> more money). Therefore yes, I am pointing the finger to CCP now since itÆs their JOB to avoid these kinds of incidents especially if itÆs true that the security problems allowing these kinds of exploits have been known to them for years. This is why I state that what weÆre currently seeing here is just a symptom of a larger problem yet to be uncovered.
Signature removed not EVE related - Adida |
romek mablung
Caldari OWS Research and Development
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Posted - 2010.04.22 22:17:00 -
[1070]
Let me tell you one thing....Iceland online gaming company cannot threat Mother Russia based hacker any legal way,except ban from owned game.Russians very rarely give citizen out for to be courted,whatever reasons there be (terrorism,bank frauds,corporate hacks,murders,thefts,you name it).Same do China,and several other countries...whatever reasons they choose to announce behind those decisions.Its just the way things are in world nowadays.
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baltec1
Antares Shipyards Aeternus.
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Posted - 2010.04.22 22:24:00 -
[1071]
Originally by: romek mablung Let me tell you one thing....Iceland online gaming company cannot threat Mother Russia based hacker any legal way,except ban from owned game.Russians very rarely give citizen out for to be courted,whatever reasons there be (terrorism,bank frauds,corporate hacks,murders,thefts,you name it).Same do China,and several other countries...whatever reasons they choose to announce behind those decisions.Its just the way things are in world nowadays.
Iceland has ways to punish those people who defy them.
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romek mablung
Caldari OWS Research and Development
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Posted - 2010.04.22 22:26:00 -
[1072]
Like loan money and go bankrupt,and refuse to pay back?Yeah,shure.Iceland is on verge to collapse actually,ppl say their only hope might be quick merge with EU
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kaisersauzee
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2010.04.22 22:28:00 -
[1073]
Originally by: romek mablung Let me tell you one thing....CCP may ban my accounts for botting but I`ll never face any real life consequences for my hacking.
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Ephemeron
Retribution Corp. Initiative Associates
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Posted - 2010.04.22 22:30:00 -
[1074]
Originally by: romek mablung Like loan money and go bankrupt,and refuse to pay back?Yeah,shure.Iceland is on verge to collapse actually,ppl say their only hope might be quick merge with EU
EU got enough headache with Greece
Since CCP is one of the few successful companies there, what if Iceland government decides to nationalize CCP to pay off the debt?
Who wants game design by politicians?
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cigarellos
Path of Now and Forever
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Posted - 2010.04.22 22:30:00 -
[1075]
Originally by: Lady Karma You speak of evidence, but I didn't see monkeysphere in any of those videos. The only evidence posted in this thread is that a couple of russian guys are more than capable of hacking the eve client.I know that you buy ISK, my proof is that there are sites selling it, so you must be guilty.
I see your point and I stand corrected that I shouldn't have associated both evidence and monkeysphere.
Exploit vs Skill
I'll say Exploit your Honor.
-cig
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baltec1
Antares Shipyards Aeternus.
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Posted - 2010.04.22 22:34:00 -
[1076]
Edited by: baltec1 on 22/04/2010 22:34:23
Originally by: romek mablung Like loan money and go bankrupt,and refuse to pay back?Yeah,shure.Iceland is on verge to collapse actually,ppl say their only hope might be quick merge with EU
Not so loud!
Do you really want them to fire up this again?
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romek mablung
Caldari OWS Research and Development
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Posted - 2010.04.22 22:34:00 -
[1077]
I dont live in russia....just...did they give out supposed Litvinenko killers-nope.Did they give out supposed 1990-s lithuania or latvia old kgb killers,who wiped out border post?Nope.Did northern countries give out some wanted kurds,tshetshens,UK-Berezovski to russians,ect ect-nope.Though-those are mostly political examples....Did Israelis give out wanted mossad agents to several countries-aussies ect,or prime ministres,who ordered some things,to,lets say UK?nope.Did Finns give out diplomat to russians,who stole kids back to father,living in finland,in back trunk of his diplomatically immune car-nope.i could go on a long list of this....
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romek mablung
Caldari OWS Research and Development
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Posted - 2010.04.22 22:40:00 -
[1078]
Originally by: romek mablung I dont live in russia....just...did they give out supposed Litvinenko killers-nope.Did they give out supposed 1990-s lithuania or latvia old kgb killers,who wiped out border post?Nope.Did northern countries give out some wanted kurds,tshetshens,UK-Berezovski to russians,ect ect-nope.Though-those are mostly political examples....Did Israelis give out wanted mossad agents to several countries-aussies ect,or prime ministres,who ordered some things,to,lets say UK?nope.Did Finns give out diplomat to russians,who stole kids back to father,living in finland,in back trunk of his diplomatically immune car-nope.i could go on a long list of this....
Friggin derailing and offtopic...im just right!Aint am?
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cigarellos
Path of Now and Forever
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Posted - 2010.04.22 22:42:00 -
[1079]
Originally by: baltec1 Not so loud!
Do you really want them to fire up this again?
AoE Doomsday, they still got it!
-cig
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Deus Ex'Machina
The-Machine
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Posted - 2010.04.22 22:44:00 -
[1080]
Originally by: species2143
The argumentation that exploiting is ok to counter macrobots is as reasonable as nuclear first-strike to avoid a war. ~snip~
This is a hole that CCP dug by itself, the game is dead easy to play at its core , once one understands it. Press the button and your internet spaceship mines for 10 minutes during which time you have ~nothing~ else gameplay related to do.
As such devising macros to perform such menial tasks is absurdly easy.
CCP could add real gameplay elements that would prevent anything macro trough activities that require real focus and attention to work, and while that may be a colossal + for the game play aspect, it will never happen since alts would become obsolete.
We will never see a step from CCP in any direction that would take the game away from the macro friendly environment and meta gaming. This issue can't be solved unless CCP upgrades the game to something that can't benefit from alts and automation. But since it's all about profit ... more power to alts and bots I guess ? - Arkanon: EXPLAIN YOURSELF, EVILDOER! Sharkbait: Dude. |
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romek mablung
Caldari OWS Research and Development
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Posted - 2010.04.22 22:45:00 -
[1081]
Edited by: romek mablung on 22/04/2010 22:46:10 Well,sorry if anybody got stuck on airfields ect,though i cant possibly care less of airtrafficing over europe.Last time i used plane 08.06.1990.Not intend to fly anywhere in near 300 years too.Let those planes rot on ground....
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Ephemeron
Retribution Corp. Initiative Associates
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Posted - 2010.04.22 22:48:00 -
[1082]
Originally by: romek mablung Edited by: romek mablung on 22/04/2010 22:46:10 Well,sorry if anybody got stuck on airfields ect,though i cant possibly care less of airtrafficing over europe.Last time i used plane 08.06.1990.Not intend to fly anywhere in near 300 years too.Let those planes rot on ground....
I'm surprised you are cool with flying space ships
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Tonto Auri
Vhero' Multipurpose Corp
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Posted - 2010.04.22 22:50:00 -
[1083]
Originally by: Deus Ex'Machina
Originally by: species2143
The argumentation that exploiting is ok to counter macrobots is as reasonable as nuclear first-strike to avoid a war. ~snip~
This is a hole that CCP dug by itself, the game is dead easy to play at its core , once one understands it. Press the button and your internet spaceship mines for 10 minutes during which time you have ~nothing~ else gameplay related to do.
Then you're doing it wrong. Try once to investigare the full skillset of a skilled miner. -- Thanks CCP for cu |
Romale
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.04.22 22:50:00 -
[1084]
yawn, this thread is getting boreing, someone post some new concept that we can troll into the ground please?
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romek mablung
Caldari OWS Research and Development
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Posted - 2010.04.22 22:52:00 -
[1085]
Im just damn poor my last 20 years,can barely afford internet and one payed online game,no fancy vacations with family on southern islands
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Cpt Branko
Retired Pirate Club
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Posted - 2010.04.22 22:53:00 -
[1086]
Originally by: Xtover
if the exploit gets released CCP will have to make a hotfix asap.
That's why it would be fun to release it.
Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint |
Orree
Dynaverse Corporation Sodalitas XX
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Posted - 2010.04.22 22:55:00 -
[1087]
Originally by: WormSwarm Edited by: WormSwarm on 22/04/2010 01:27:51 There is a 2nd story to tell here
How many people that are apart of this witch hunt, are also apart of the isk sellers problem in Eve. You are dealing with people that want to protect their business, and they will do anything to have perfectly running Macros. Proof on how they will even perform exploits ingame to try and 'prove' that a player might be using a specific technique to catch their macro programs.
<snip>
I'm not a part of any of it and am quite disgusted by all of it.
I sincerely hope CCP say something soon about what is or isn't going on here.
Yep, i mad.
---------- "How much easier it is to be critical than to be correct." ---Benjamin Disraeli |
baltec1
Antares Shipyards Aeternus.
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Posted - 2010.04.22 22:59:00 -
[1088]
Originally by: Romale yawn, this thread is getting boreing, someone post some new concept that we can troll into the ground please?
I found that if you jump, then dash then jump again you can go much further than normal but you have to watch out for those stars otherwise you blow up and your dream wont come true.
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romek mablung
Caldari OWS Research and Development
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Posted - 2010.04.22 23:01:00 -
[1089]
Well...it dosnt bother much real empire carebears ....Allez!Would be interesting to read ****ed off forums.Me intends to just trains skillz next 3 years anyway
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Deus Ex'Machina
The-Machine
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Posted - 2010.04.22 23:01:00 -
[1090]
Originally by: Tonto Auri
Originally by: Deus Ex'Machina
Originally by: species2143
The argumentation that exploiting is ok to counter macrobots is as reasonable as nuclear first-strike to avoid a war. ~snip~
This is a hole that CCP dug by itself, the game is dead easy to play at its core , once one understands it. Press the button and your internet spaceship mines for 10 minutes during which time you have ~nothing~ else gameplay related to do.
Then you're doing it wrong. Try once to investigare the full skillset of a skilled miner.
Facebook and twitter are not gameplay elements. - Arkanon: EXPLAIN YOURSELF, EVILDOER! Sharkbait: Dude. |
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Seth Ruin
Minmatar Ominous Corp Primary.
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Posted - 2010.04.22 23:10:00 -
[1091]
Originally by: Deus Ex'Machina
Originally by: Tonto Auri Then you're doing it wrong. Try once to investigare the full skillset of a skilled miner.
Facebook and twitter are not gameplay elements.
He said skilled miner, not skilled minor.
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Deus Ex'Machina
The-Machine
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Posted - 2010.04.22 23:50:00 -
[1092]
Originally by: Jigglepants Edited by: Jigglepants on 22/04/2010 23:45:03 :SIREN: PL LEAK INCOMING :SIREN:
Quote:
(6:34:13 PM) MCounts: eve is STACKLESS PYTHON (6:34:24 PM) karttoon: More like stackless **** (6:34:31 PM) MCounts: ^^^ dis (6:34:38 PM) JEFFRAIDER: well played kartoon (6:34:38 PM) Phreeze: why would you stack **** though (6:34:53 PM) MCounts: maybe you want it organized (6:35:07 PM) MCounts: but i mean, theres a limit to how high they stack **** (6:35:19 PM) MCounts: 5'10" seems unreasonable (6:35:21 PM) karttoon: That's when new **** can't see local (6:35:22 PM) JEFFRAIDER: phreeze: for deepthroating (6:35:35 PM) Phreeze: is **** even stackable? i mean most turds are generally different than the next (6:35:45 PM) MCounts: i mean (6:35:52 PM) Phreeze: you would need some sort of adaptable foam **** container (6:35:55 PM) karttoon: You've never pooed into a giant pile that pops out of the toilet water? (6:35:56 PM) Elektrea: my ****s pretty uniform (6:35:59 PM) Syrinthal: **** is easily stackable (6:36:00 PM) MCounts: i wasnt aware that they stacked **** up to 5'10" (6:36:18 PM) MCounts: but a bum**** private from texas made me aware of that (6:36:28 PM) karttoon: Phreeze isn't that tall, is he? (6:36:58 PM) Phreeze: 5'8 actually :smug: (6:37:00 PM) JEFFRAIDER: someone posted something in local once like "i just took a poop so long it was at the bottom of the toilet and inside of me at the same time" (6:37:02 PM) JEFFRAIDER: i laughed (6:37:12 PM) karttoon: Haha (6:37:22 PM) MCounts: i once took one of those evil evil chinese food ****s (6:37:35 PM) MCounts: thats the horrible combination of sturdy and malleable (6:37:51 PM) MCounts: and it was so long it bent around and touched my ball (6:37:53 PM) MCounts: s (6:38:00 PM) Phreeze: my fav is when you double rope the bowl (6:38:04 PM) MCounts: i was rather traumatized (6:38:29 PM) MCounts: ive shat smiley faces before (6:39:06 PM) karttoon: :) or =) ? (6:39:15 PM) MCounts: first one (6:39:24 PM) MCounts: it was clearly a COLON a[;isakhjdpaosijh[aoifjsoifghsdogihsfgoshgsj (6:39:25 PM) Witchking: i want some chinese now (6:39:28 PM) MissBolyai: anyone ever been to tropical smoothie? (6:39:35 PM) MCounts: no (6:39:35 PM) Witchking: my colon DEMANDS chinese (6:39:36 PM) karttoon: Your colon made a colon?
PL: MENACES TO SOCIETY? YOU BE THE JUDGE
One of those guys is Bono, yet another is a GM alt.
Those who resemble stick together eh? - Arkanon: EXPLAIN YOURSELF, EVILDOER! Sharkbait: Dude. |
Le Skunk
Low Sec Liberators
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Posted - 2010.04.23 00:08:00 -
[1093]
Ive decided to issue a call for the end of this thread its so 1990s.
SKUNK (o)
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Vicomte de'Bragelonne
Gallente Fugitive Biomass
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Posted - 2010.04.23 00:12:00 -
[1094]
hi mom, im on massively!
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Firkragg
Blue Labs Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.04.23 00:14:00 -
[1095]
Originally by: Jeremey Edited by: Jeremey on 22/04/2010 21:20:01 First part of new video from Ellatan on testserver, reproducing the exploit and scenario that were used by Pandemic Legion's The Monkeysphere to kill players on Tranqulity.
Second part of video by Ellatan.
Seriously will someone post a video of monkeysphere actually doing this or some other proof. Just because there is an exploit doesnt mean he has used it.
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Lanais Suleia
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Posted - 2010.04.23 00:14:00 -
[1096]
Originally by: xo3e killing bots with exploit use is.. acceptable. but monkeysphere has started to kill common players
Profiting from macroers, whether by buying their ISK or stealing it directly, is still profiting.
Let's just make one thing perfectly clear. He's not doing this out of the kindness of his heart in a valiant crusade against all that is wrong in the universe. He's doing this for profit, pure and simple, and the best way to keep getting away with blatant cheating is to make sure your victims can't complain, by targetting other cheaters who do not want to draw attention to themselves by lodging petitions. |
Dianeces
SiN. Corp Daisho Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.04.23 00:20:00 -
[1097]
Originally by: Lanais Suleia
Originally by: xo3e killing bots with exploit use is.. acceptable. but monkeysphere has started to kill common players
Profiting from macroers, whether by buying their ISK or stealing it directly, is still profiting.
Let's just make one thing perfectly clear. He's not doing this out of the kindness of his heart in a valiant crusade against all that is wrong in the universe. He's doing this for profit, pure and simple, and the best way to keep getting away with blatant cheating is to make sure your victims can't complain, by targetting other cheaters who do not want to draw attention to themselves by lodging petitions.
50 T2 BCUs and 70 Arbalest Cruise Launchers isn't much profit compared to all the ISK all Russian botmasters make.
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Phosphorus Palladium
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Posted - 2010.04.23 00:23:00 -
[1098]
Originally by: Firkragg
Originally by: Jeremey Edited by: Jeremey on 22/04/2010 21:20:01 First part of new video from Ellatan on testserver, reproducing the exploit and scenario that were used by Pandemic Legion's The Monkeysphere to kill players on Tranqulity.
Second part of video by Ellatan.
Seriously will someone post a video of monkeysphere actually doing this or some other proof. Just because there is an exploit doesnt mean he has used it.
If you reread the OP you will find that the question the OP asked was if what happened to him could have been due to an exploit. The answer to that is yes, as per the proof that has been provided.
Everything else is speculation.
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Ellatan Deruimte
Surreal corp Stain Empire
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Posted - 2010.04.23 00:36:00 -
[1099]
First internet media mention, hopefully it will bring more attention to the problem and get it fixed sooner.
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Creamster
Fremen Sietch DarkSide.
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Posted - 2010.04.23 00:43:00 -
[1100]
Hey El, your second video is priceless Keep up good work, we all need eve sploits free. And Huhu, my man do you accept donations, this stuff is pretty damn impressive. ___________ In Petition we trust |
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Mara Rinn
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Posted - 2010.04.23 00:45:00 -
[1101]
Having the client join local once it's loaded grid might be a neat way of solving the blob fight problem where people jumping into a fight are sitting ducks.
Requiring confirmation from the client that grid has been loaded, before making the ship appear in space or allowing modules to be activated - would that solve the fleet lag problem while simultaneously eliminating this exploit?
At the worst, the exploiting player might be able to see grid (because the client has successfully loaded grid, but the message that grid has been loaded was intercepted) and provide intelligence without appearing in local. The player's ship will eventually have to appear in local space since the server would disconnect the client, at which point the ship will appear so that it can then do an emergency warp.
The client and server would have to be modified so that grid is loaded while the ship is still in transit, with the player's ship only being added to the grid after the client confirms that grid has been loaded. For a ship jumping into a system (through jump gate, jump drive or jump bridge) the ship only appears in the system when it's added to grid, for a ship warping between points in a system, it leaves one grid, warps, then disappears into an "uncollapsed quantum state" while waiting for the client to report that it has loaded the destination grid. The "uncollapsed quantum state" would allow the ship to be probed down, but any attempt to warp to the ship will have the attacker arrive on an empty grid at a random point along the warping ship's path.
The server will not accept any commands from the client until the client reports that grid has been loaded. Thus an exploiter could report what ships are present (the client has loaded the grid and the simulation is running), but cannot tag, cannot broadcast targets, cannot broadcast "warp to me", cannot light a cyno, cannot warp elsewhere, and due to the server still having the ship in an "uncollapsed quantum state" the ship cannot be warped to.
If this has already been suggested elsewhere, apologies for the redundancy.
[Aussie players: join channels ANZAC or AUSSIES] |
Cartune
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Posted - 2010.04.23 00:48:00 -
[1102]
Originally by: Deus Ex'Machina
Originally by: Jigglepants Edited by: Jigglepants on 22/04/2010 23:45:03 :SIREN: PL LEAK INCOMING :SIREN: Quote: ****
PL: MENACES TO SOCIETY? YOU BE THE JUDGE
One of those guys is Bono, yet another is a GM alt. Those who resemble stick together eh?
nothing here, faux news. tourney sweepers, l33tist goony haxr, & GM shooting **** in a privy convo. status quo. move along
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Galgacus
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Posted - 2010.04.23 01:06:00 -
[1103]
Originally by: Cartune
Originally by: Deus Ex'Machina
Originally by: Jigglepants Edited by: Jigglepants on 22/04/2010 23:45:03 :SIREN: PL LEAK INCOMING :SIREN: Quote: ****
PL: MENACES TO SOCIETY? YOU BE THE JUDGE
One of those guys is Bono, yet another is a GM alt. Those who resemble stick together eh?
nothing here, faux news. tourney sweepers, l33tist goony haxr, & GM shooting **** in a privy convo. status quo. move along
That's a tiny bit controversial. "Marked for deletion", Adida?
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Phosphorus Palladium
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Posted - 2010.04.23 01:11:00 -
[1104]
Originally by: Ellatan Deruimte First internet media mention, hopefully it will bring more attention to the problem and get it fixed sooner.
Nice article. But give CCP a little break here. The exploit has just been proven so obviously CCP does not have a fix ready right away. I am pretty sure they are working on it.
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Galgacus
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Posted - 2010.04.23 01:14:00 -
[1105]
Originally by: Phosphorus Palladium
Originally by: Ellatan Deruimte First internet media mention, hopefully it will bring more attention to the problem and get it fixed sooner.
Nice article. But give CCP a little break here. The exploit has just been proven so obviously CCP does not have a fix ready right away. I am pretty sure they are working on it.
Their logs show nothing. Local had the correct entries at the time of the deaths in question. Move along.
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The Monkeysphere
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.04.23 01:18:00 -
[1106]
Originally by: Galgacus
Originally by: Phosphorus Palladium
Originally by: Ellatan Deruimte First internet media mention, hopefully it will bring more attention to the problem and get it fixed sooner.
Nice article. But give CCP a little break here. The exploit has just been proven so obviously CCP does not have a fix ready right away. I am pretty sure they are working on it.
Their logs show nothing. Local had the correct entries at the time of the deaths in question. Move along.
Maybe the reason their logs had the correct times of me entering local and the reason I'm not banned was because I always did enter local the second I logged/jumped in?
- Eduard Khil
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MatrixSkye Mk2
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.04.23 01:33:00 -
[1107]
Originally by: Firkragg Seriously will someone post a video of monkeysphere actually doing this or some other proof. Just because there is an exploit doesnt mean he has used it.
Dear Pandemic Legion,
I'm sure at this point CCP is investigating and will either be banning Mr. Monkeysphere or will be acquitting him, along with all the Pandemic Legion players that cheated. At this point there really is nothing for anyone of us to prove to you.
His KB alone is highly suspect and deserves investigating. But nothing short of him confessing while doing it will convince you, so really, why ask us for proof? :)
Don't worry, CCP is looking into it now, and you should really be asking CCP to prove to you that your good 'ol monkey isn't cheating, not us :).
Good luck and God's Speed to you all (I think you will need it),
MSII
Grief a PVP'er. Run a mission today! |
Phosphorus Palladium
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Posted - 2010.04.23 01:37:00 -
[1108]
Originally by: The Monkeysphere Maybe the reason their logs had the correct times of me entering local and the reason I'm not banned was because I always did enter local the second I logged/jumped in?
- Eduard Khil
To me, the important thing is that CCP fixes the local exploit. If you did not use it, that's cool, but it obviously exists.
Actually if you did not use this exploit and neither anyone else in PL, then I guess it is in your interest as well that CCP investigates and finds a solution.
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Grath Telkin
Amarr Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.04.23 01:45:00 -
[1109]
Originally by: Phosphorus Palladium Edited by: Phosphorus Palladium on 23/04/2010 01:41:44
Originally by: The Monkeysphere Maybe the reason their logs had the correct times of me entering local and the reason I'm not banned was because I always did enter local the second I logged/jumped in?
- Eduard Khil
To me, the important thing is that CCP fixes the local exploit. If you did not use it, that's cool, but it obviously exists.
Also if you did not use this exploit and neither anyone else in PL, then I guess it is in your interest as well that CCP investigates, tries to find players that did use the exploit on TQ and finds a solution so that the exploit can not be used anymore.
Its easy to find out who used it, they've openly fraps'd themselves purposely hacking the SiSi client, and then posted the evidence in this thread.
Pretty sure thats a clear cut case.
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Clb
The Intersect
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Posted - 2010.04.23 01:45:00 -
[1110]
http://twitter.com/CCP_Quell/status/12670687041
Originally by: CCP_Quell We're aware of the discussion, but I've not seen a final word from dev yet. I will post when I have solid news.
In response to this.
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DurrHurrDurr
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Posted - 2010.04.23 01:45:00 -
[1111]
For everybody's consideration
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnhywtqETLo |
Phosphorus Palladium
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Posted - 2010.04.23 01:47:00 -
[1112]
Originally by: Grath Telkin Its easy to find out who used it, they've openly fraps'd themselves purposely hacking the SiSi client, and then posted the evidence in this thread.
Pretty sure thats a clear cut case.
Don't be silly. Part of bughunting is reproducing the bug. You should thank huhuhu for his efforts.
That is IF you are realy intersted in exploits not being abused on TQ.
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Galgacus
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Posted - 2010.04.23 01:49:00 -
[1113]
Originally by: Phosphorus Palladium
Originally by: Grath Telkin Its easy to find out who used it, they've openly fraps'd themselves purposely hacking the SiSi client, and then posted the evidence in this thread.
Pretty sure thats a clear cut case.
Don't be silly. Part of bughunting is reproducing the bug. You should thank huhuhu for his efforts.
That is IF you are realy intersted in exploits not being abused on TQ.
lol, of course he is.
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Phosphorus Palladium
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Posted - 2010.04.23 01:56:00 -
[1114]
Originally by: Galgacus
Originally by: Phosphorus Palladium
Originally by: Grath Telkin Its easy to find out who used it, they've openly fraps'd themselves purposely hacking the SiSi client, and then posted the evidence in this thread.
Pretty sure thats a clear cut case.
Don't be silly. Part of bughunting is reproducing the bug. You should thank huhuhu for his efforts.
That is IF you are realy intersted in exploits not being abused on TQ.
lol, of course he is.
Of course he is what? Silly? Interested in exploits not being abused on TQ? Or both?
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buttesauce
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Posted - 2010.04.23 02:02:00 -
[1115]
Here is the ultimate solution
DELAYED LOCAL
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Criegor
Sniggerdly
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Posted - 2010.04.23 02:03:00 -
[1116]
You guys have pretty much convinced yourselves he was exploiting
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Murk Loar
O.W.N. Corp OWN Alliance
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Posted - 2010.04.23 02:03:00 -
[1117]
Originally by: Phosphorus Palladium
Originally by: Grath Telkin Its easy to find out who used it, they've openly fraps'd themselves purposely hacking the SiSi client, and then posted the evidence in this thread.
Pretty sure thats a clear cut case.
Don't be silly. Part of bughunting is reproducing the bug. You should thank huhuhu for his efforts.
So...part of bughunting is hacking the client (which is not your property by the way) until you can recreate an exploit that you think someone else is using? Quite a big hole you boys are digging yourselves there. |
Ellatan Deruimte
Surreal corp Stain Empire
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Posted - 2010.04.23 02:03:00 -
[1118]
Originally by: Grath Telkin
Its easy to find out who used it, they've openly fraps'd themselves purposely hacking the SiSi client, and then posted the evidence in this thread.
Pretty sure thats a clear cut case.
Aww, not so long ago PL were thanking me in local for my Curse video, why don't you like my videos anymore?
As a frequent PVPer and a solo pilot, going through hundreds of systems, I use log off tricks, anchor mobiles in belts to catch macrobots, etc. I think I can speak from my experience about this. The stories about Monkeysphere describe word for word what you have seen in the videos from this topic. There is no legitimate way to replicate it without tempering with Eve Client.
I personally do not expect Monkeysphere to be banned because of possible lack of solid evidence on CCP's part. However, I expect the exploit to be fixed and I'm very confident that after that is done, we will see the dramatic drop of his "accomplishments." If he does get banned for it, then all the better, but it really is a drop in the ocean compared to the overall impact of such exploits.
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Phosphorus Palladium
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Posted - 2010.04.23 02:04:00 -
[1119]
Originally by: Criegor You guys have pretty much convinced yourselves he was exploiting
And you guys from PL seem to find the existance of major game breaking bugs pretty amusing.
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Ranka Mei
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.04.23 02:10:00 -
[1120]
Originally by: Phosphorus Palladium
Originally by: Grath Telkin Its easy to find out who used it, they've openly fraps'd themselves purposely hacking the SiSi client, and then posted the evidence in this thread.
Pretty sure thats a clear cut case.
Don't be silly. Part of bughunting is reproducing the bug. You should thank huhuhu for his efforts.
FYI, actually all of what these folks did is illegal, as per the Terms of Service (relevant parts highlighted):
21) You will not attempt to decipher, hack into or interfere with any transmissions to or from the EVE Online servers, nor will you try to create or use any third party add-ons, extras or tools for the game.
23) You may not exploit any bug in EVE Online to gain an unfair advantage over other players. You may not communicate the existence of any exploitable bug to others directly or through a public forum. Bugs should be reported through the bug reporting tool on our website.
Even asking folks to reproduce and publish the exploit is, strictly spoken, against the rules:
29) You will not encourage others to break these rules or any rules set forth in relation to EVE OnlineÆs game service or web site.
I hope CCP shows some common-sense leniency towards those who helped bring this exploit to light, though. -- Gorgeous, delicious, deculture! |
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Lady Spank
Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta
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Posted - 2010.04.23 02:14:00 -
[1121]
Originally by: Ranka Mei
Originally by: Phosphorus Palladium
Originally by: Grath Telkin Its easy to find out who used it, they've openly fraps'd themselves purposely hacking the SiSi client, and then posted the evidence in this thread.
Pretty sure thats a clear cut case.
Don't be silly. Part of bughunting is reproducing the bug. You should thank huhuhu for his efforts.
FYI, actually all of what these folks did is illegal, as per the Terms of Service (relevant parts highlighted):
21) You will not attempt to decipher, hack into or interfere with any transmissions to or from the EVE Online servers, nor will you try to create or use any third party add-ons, extras or tools for the game.
23) You may not exploit any bug in EVE Online to gain an unfair advantage over other players. You may not communicate the existence of any exploitable bug to others directly or through a public forum. Bugs should be reported through the bug reporting tool on our website.
Even asking folks to reproduce and publish the exploit is, strictly spoken, against the rules:
29) You will not encourage others to break these rules or any rules set forth in relation to EVE OnlineÆs game service or web site.
I hope CCP shows some common-sense leniency towards those who helped bring this exploit to light, though.
Hi,
please post your feelings on this in my important petition thread. If you could also support my proposal that would be appreciated. ~_~
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dumpertt
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Posted - 2010.04.23 02:14:00 -
[1122]
Originally by: Criegor
Originally by: Phosphorus Palladium
Originally by: Criegor You guys have pretty much convinced yourselves he was exploiting
And you guys from PL seem to find the existance of major game breaking bugs pretty amusing.
Since when did they teach bots to type?
do you believe the bug does exist?
do you want it to be fixed?
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Phosphorus Palladium
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Posted - 2010.04.23 02:16:00 -
[1123]
Originally by: Criegor
Originally by: Phosphorus Palladium
Originally by: Criegor You guys have pretty much convinced yourselves he was exploiting
And you guys from PL seem to find the existance of major game breaking bugs pretty amusing.
Since when did they teach bots to type?
You realy find the existance of this exploit funny, don't you? Sad. Realy.
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Ellatan Deruimte
Surreal corp Stain Empire
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Posted - 2010.04.23 02:17:00 -
[1124]
Originally by: Lady Karma Here's your problem
Sigh, I don't have a problem. Even there was a video of it, it couldn't serve as proof for CCP. They can't ban a player based on a video or a screenshot submitted by another player. The only thing they take into account are their server side logs. If their logs can not detect this - then exploiters will go unpunished. Nevertheless, I do believe the testimonies that came from multiple people from different alliances, all of them pretty much identical in describing what you have seen in the video. Besides, that topic came up on Russian forums before, it just died down the first time it was brought up.
Pandemic Legion are claiming that Monkeysphere uses something different, but he wouldn't talk about, so macrobot developers wouldn't pick up on it. PL also claims that it's very obvious. However, I can't think of the way to replicate it with my PVP experience (and I have plenty of it). So those kind of excuses seem extremely fishy to me. Everyone is entitled to their own opinions though. I made a video that demonstrates how we think he does it. There is nothing presented from the other side to disprove it except some trolling and hot air.
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Raivi
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.04.23 02:21:00 -
[1125]
Edited by: Raivi on 23/04/2010 02:22:59
Originally by: Ellatan Deruimte
Originally by: Lady Karma Here's your problem
Sigh, I don't have a problem. Even there was a video of it, it couldn't serve as proof for CCP. They can't ban a player based on a video or a screenshot submitted by another player. The only thing they take into account are their server side logs. If their logs can not detect this - then exploiters will go unpunished. Nevertheless, I do believe the testimonies that came from multiple people from different alliances, all of them pretty much identical in describing what you have seen in the video. Besides, that topic came up on Russian forums before, it just died down the first time it was brought up.
Pandemic Legion are claiming that Monkeysphere uses something different, but he wouldn't talk about, so macrobot developers wouldn't pick up on it. PL also claims that it's very obvious. However, I can't think of the way to replicate it with my PVP experience (and I have plenty of it). So those kind of excuses seem extremely fishy to me. Everyone is entitled to their own opinions though. I made a video that demonstrates how we think he does it. There is nothing presented from the other side to disprove it except some trolling and hot air.
There are three ways that I am aware of in which someone can avoid the emergency warp for instant logon traps. All of these tricks are simple game mechanics, not exploits or hacking. If you really have this pvp experience, then the easiest of these tricks should be obvious to you, and would allow you to replicate what the Russians are describing perfectly.
:Edit: just to be clear I'm referring to replicating Monkeysphere's actions, not the hack that's being shown in the videos. I'm all for getting that information to CCP so they can fix it as quickly as possible, and I'm also all for trolling the idiots that make up most of this forum in the meantime. ---------------------------------------------
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Jeremey
Glittering Dust
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Posted - 2010.04.23 02:22:00 -
[1126]
Edited by: Jeremey on 23/04/2010 02:24:12
Originally by: Ellatan Deruimte I personally do not expect Monkeysphere to be banned because of possible lack of solid evidence on CCP's part. However, I expect the exploit to be fixed and I'm very confident that after that is done, we will see the dramatic drop of his "accomplishments." If he does get banned for it, then all the better, but it really is a drop in the ocean compared to the overall impact of such exploits.
Supported. Also thanks for the video of SiSi exploit demonstration.
Originally by: Raivi There are three ways that I am aware of in which someone can avoid the emergency warp for instant logon traps. All of these tricks are simple game mechanics, not exploits or hacking. If you really have this pvp experience, then the easiest of these tricks should be obvious to you, and would allow you to replicate what the Russians are describing perfectly.
The Monkeysphere isn't guilty, so there is no need to prove his innocence, isn't it?
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Phosphorus Palladium
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Posted - 2010.04.23 02:22:00 -
[1127]
Originally by: Lady Spank Hi,
please post your feelings on this in my important petition thread. If you could also support my proposal that would be appreciated.
Still trying to shoot the messenger, are we?
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Xtover
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.04.23 02:28:00 -
[1128]
I remember back with the T20 incident.
The char-who's-name-shall-not-be-spoken exposed the cheating by "hacking" himself.
I'm just saying, you might have wanted to think twice before exploting yourself just to prove what you think happened.
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MatrixSkye Mk2
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.04.23 02:30:00 -
[1129]
Originally by: Lady Spank Hi,
please post your feelings on this in my important petition thread. If you could also support my proposal that would be appreciated.
Oh no worries. I'm sure the bans will be coming down soon. Huhuhu reproduced the exploit and immediately reported it. PL and friend, on the other hand... Well, let's just hope they're as clean as they've been claiming to be all along (except for a few PL that have come forth already).
Grief a PVP'er. Run a mission today! |
Ellatan Deruimte
Surreal corp Stain Empire
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Posted - 2010.04.23 02:32:00 -
[1130]
Edited by: Ellatan Deruimte on 23/04/2010 02:34:36
Originally by: Raivi
There are three ways that I am aware of in which someone can avoid the emergency warp for instant logon traps. All of these tricks are simple game mechanics, not exploits or hacking. If you really have this pvp experience, then the easiest of these tricks should be obvious to you, and would allow you to replicate what the Russians are describing perfectly.
HIC logging of inside his own field, logging of inside a mobile, logging of in dictor bubble, etc. All of it has absolutely nothing to do with what was described. How can you claim that it will allow you to replicate what was described perfectly, if you didn't even bother to read through it?
You are welcome to make a video replicating what was described then, go ahead and do it. You can make a video from the victim's perspective, so no "secret knowledge" would be given away, because dozens of players have been on the recieving end. I think that would clear good ol' Monkeysphere's name as well as Pandemic Legion's, so it should be in your best interests.
We will be all awaiting patiently for that video.
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Deus Ex'Machina
The-Machine
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Posted - 2010.04.23 02:38:00 -
[1131]
Originally by: Jeremey The Monkeysphere isn't guilty, so there is no need to prove his innocence, isn't it?
I see what you did there, I do hope you see as well - Arkanon: EXPLAIN YOURSELF, EVILDOER! Sharkbait: Dude. |
Dianeces
SiN. Corp Daisho Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.04.23 02:42:00 -
[1132]
Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2
Originally by: Lady Spank Hi,
please post your feelings on this in my important petition thread. If you could also support my proposal that would be appreciated.
Oh no worries. I'm sure the bans will be coming down soon. Huhuhu reproduced the exploit and immediately reported it. PL and friend, on the other hand... Well, let's just hope they're as clean as they've been claiming to be all along (except for a few PL that have come forth already).
You've gotten trolled so hard I'm still laughing about it.
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Ranka Mei
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.04.23 02:51:00 -
[1133]
Originally by: Lady Spank
If you could also support my proposal that would be appreciated.
I'm afraid I can't do that. I quickly 'fyi'-ed the rules again, just so people realize that creating and posting about those exploits puts yourself at risk. But, like I said,
Originally by: Ranka Mei
I hope CCP shows some common-sense leniency towards those who helped bring this exploit to light, though.
Banning huhuhu for showing how it's done, I think that would be kinda tacky. Far as I'm concerned, he only forced CCP's hand because they are, themselves, not easily inclined to believe claims of exploits. I hope they'll interpret it that way, at least.
This thread does show, however, that apparently rather large groups use macros and exploits on a daily basis, with impunity. That, regret to say, is a mite disturbing.
-- Gorgeous, delicious, deculture! |
dumpertt
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Posted - 2010.04.23 03:00:00 -
[1134]
Edited by: dumpertt on 23/04/2010 03:04:54 Edited by: dumpertt on 23/04/2010 03:01:56
Originally by: Raivi
There are three ways that I am aware of in which someone can avoid the emergency warp for instant logon traps. All of these tricks are simple game mechanics, not exploits or hacking. If you really have this pvp experience, then the easiest of these tricks should be obvious to you, and would allow you to replicate what the Russians are describing perfectly.
why do we think smth is wrong with monkey's space magic?
Location: HIK-MC (0.0) Date: 2010-03-04 16:52:00
monkey performs a perfect logon trap and kills a macroratter
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=5972520
then he warps to the gate, jumps in, founds the next macroratter, warp to the belt, anchors a mobile, logoff, performs another perfect logon trap and kills a macroratter...
Location: E4-E8W (0.0) Date: 2010-03-04 16:59:00
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=5972521
WOW! that guy is REALLY fast! all of it took only 7min. pro! but... is it a record? let's see, what is next:
once again he warps to the gate, jumps in, founds the next macroratter, warp to the belt, anchors a mobile, logoff, performs another perfect logon trap and kills a macroratter...
Location: E-BFLT (0.0) Date: 2010-03-04 17:03:00
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=5972522
and we have a winner! 4min now! that just amazing, isn't it?
Location: L-WG68 (0.0) Date: 2010-03-04 17:13:00
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=5972523
another one bites the dust. ok, the logon trap took 10min - but that system is 3 jumps away...
show me how THAT is possible. video is enough. i want to believe!
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Dianeces
SiN. Corp Daisho Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.04.23 03:07:00 -
[1135]
Originally by: dumpertt show me how THAT is possible. video is enough. i want to believe!
Don't stop belieeeeevin'~
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HairySack Hangin
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Posted - 2010.04.23 03:09:00 -
[1136]
Speaking of exploits and macros... a simple torrent search will turn up a pretty good number of them. They break down into only four that are in active use, but their titles tell you a lot about what they are intended to do.
It always confuses me that the client does not take snapshots of, or even actively monitor, active services or applications to look for key applications running concurrently with the client itself then just dump the client while they're active. Closing their own client does not impact the user's machine, it's non-invasive, and perfectly within CCP's rights when it concerns their app.
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Lady Spank
Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta
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Posted - 2010.04.23 03:09:00 -
[1137]
Originally by: dumpertt Edited by: dumpertt on 23/04/2010 03:04:54 Edited by: dumpertt on 23/04/2010 03:01:56
Originally by: Raivi
There are three ways that I am aware of in which someone can avoid the emergency warp for instant logon traps. All of these tricks are simple game mechanics, not exploits or hacking. If you really have this pvp experience, then the easiest of these tricks should be obvious to you, and would allow you to replicate what the Russians are describing perfectly.
why do we think smth is wrong with monkey's space magic?
Location: HIK-MC (0.0) Date: 2010-03-04 16:52:00
monkey performs a perfect logon trap and kills a macroratter
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=5972520
then he warps to the gate, jumps in, founds the next macroratter, warp to the belt, anchors a mobile, logoff, performs another perfect logon trap and kills a macroratter...
Location: E4-E8W (0.0) Date: 2010-03-04 16:59:00
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=5972521
WOW! that guy is REALLY fast! all of it took only 7min. pro! but... is it a record? let's see, what is next:
once again he warps to the gate, jumps in, founds the next macroratter, warp to the belt, anchors a mobile, logoff, performs another perfect logon trap and kills a macroratter...
Location: E-BFLT (0.0) Date: 2010-03-04 17:03:00
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=5972522
and we have a winner! 4min now! that just amazing, isn't it?
Location: L-WG68 (0.0) Date: 2010-03-04 17:13:00
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=5972523
another one bites the dust. ok, the logon trap took 10min - but that system is 3 jumps away...
show me how THAT is possible. video is enough. i want to believe!
If those ratters all used the same fail macro then they could be bubbled by ANYBODY, afterwards when they believe they are safely cloaked at their pos/ss then its just a case of mopping up the fail exploiters.
MORE SPECULATION PLS. ~_~
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dumpertt
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Posted - 2010.04.23 03:14:00 -
[1138]
Originally by: Lady Spank
If those ratters all used the same fail macro then they could be bubbled by ANYBODY, afterwards when they believe they are safely cloaked at their pos/ss then its just a case of mopping up the fail exploiters.
MORE SPECULATION PLS.
don't stop believin' hold on the feelin' streetlights people
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Miss Xerox
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Posted - 2010.04.23 03:19:00 -
[1139]
Well... heck!
Jeeze, if you want to prove that this exploit exists and is active use, go to the region in question, park a bait ship in a safespot, then sit there and wait!
Keep your FRAPS running and when names show up in local, warp to a SS. If you make it they're just raiders. If something miraculously appears at your SS within seconds and blows the ship... you have your proof.
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Raivi
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.04.23 03:20:00 -
[1140]
Originally by: dumpertt Edited by: dumpertt on 23/04/2010 03:04:54 Edited by: dumpertt on 23/04/2010 03:01:56
Originally by: Raivi
There are three ways that I am aware of in which someone can avoid the emergency warp for instant logon traps. All of these tricks are simple game mechanics, not exploits or hacking. If you really have this pvp experience, then the easiest of these tricks should be obvious to you, and would allow you to replicate what the Russians are describing perfectly.
why do we think smth is wrong with monkey's space magic?
Location: HIK-MC (0.0) Date: 2010-03-04 16:52:00
monkey performs a perfect logon trap and kills a macroratter
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=5972520
then he warps to the gate, jumps in, founds the next macroratter, warp to the belt, anchors a mobile, logoff, performs another perfect logon trap and kills a macroratter...
Location: E4-E8W (0.0) Date: 2010-03-04 16:59:00
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=5972521
WOW! that guy is REALLY fast! all of it took only 7min. pro! but... is it a record? let's see, what is next:
once again he warps to the gate, jumps in, founds the next macroratter, warp to the belt, anchors a mobile, logoff, performs another perfect logon trap and kills a macroratter...
Location: E-BFLT (0.0) Date: 2010-03-04 17:03:00
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=5972522
and we have a winner! 4min now! that just amazing, isn't it?
Location: L-WG68 (0.0) Date: 2010-03-04 17:13:00
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=5972523
another one bites the dust. ok, the logon trap took 10min - but that system is 3 jumps away...
show me how THAT is possible. video is enough. i want to believe!
He doesn't need to do logoff traps for all his targets. People ratting without watching their screens and poorly coded macros (some of the ones that make you warp to a safe and cloak can be caught relatively quickly with probes). Strings of kills now and again are the main "proof" people are bringing, and the truth is those are when he gets easy targets. The logoff traps do take a bit more time (but not all that much).
Originally by: Ellatan Deruimte Edited by: Ellatan Deruimte on 23/04/2010 02:37:37
Originally by: Raivi
There are three ways that I am aware of in which someone can avoid the emergency warp for instant logon traps. All of these tricks are simple game mechanics, not exploits or hacking. If you really have this pvp experience, then the easiest of these tricks should be obvious to you, and would allow you to replicate what the Russians are describing perfectly.
HIC logging of inside his own field, logging of inside a mobile, logging of in dictor bubble, etc. All of it has absolutely nothing to do with what was described. How can you claim that it will allow you to replicate what was described perfectly, if you didn't even bother to read through it?
You are welcome to make a video replicating what was described then, go ahead and do it. You can make a video from the victim's perspective, so no "secret knowledge" would be given away, because dozens of players have been on the recieving end. I think that would clear good ol' Monkeysphere's name as well as Pandemic Legion's, so it should be in your best interests.
We will be all awaiting patiently for that video.
Actually I'd classify all the bubble tricks as one trick, but yes, you've found the one I was saying is obvious. The video is done. Encoding it now and uploading to youtube. ---------------------------------------------
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dumpertt
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Posted - 2010.04.23 03:23:00 -
[1141]
Originally by: Miss Xerox Well... heck!
Jeeze, if you want to prove that this exploit exists and is active use, go to the region in question, park a bait ship in a safespot, then sit there and wait!
Keep your FRAPS running and when names show up in local, warp to a SS. If you make it they're just raiders. If something miraculously appears at your SS within seconds and blows the ship... you have your proof.
sudennly monkey didn't kill a shuttle since the thread at eve-ru started. it's just a coincidence, surely. but do you think an exploiter will use exploit after this ****storm?
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Manny theMiner
Nisaba Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.04.23 03:25:00 -
[1142]
Well now.... I've never been accused of being the smartest pilot in NATO, or even smart in general, but I would wager that a dual box with the ratter in the addressbook would have a pretty good idea when to spring the log-onski TARP... and that most ratters return to the last chain they were ratting... Please resize your signature to the maximum allowed of 400 x 120 pixels with a maximum file size of 24000 bytes. Navigator |
Ranka Mei
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.04.23 03:27:00 -
[1143]
Originally by: Miss Xerox Well... heck!
Jeeze, if you want to prove that this exploit exists and is active use, go to the region in question, park a bait ship in a safespot, then sit there and wait!
Keep your FRAPS running and when names show up in local, warp to a SS. If you make it they're just raiders. If something miraculously appears at your SS within seconds and blows the ship... you have your proof.
Monkeyman hasn't made a kill in days. He's not stupid. He's laying low, I reckon. His account is pretty much hosed anyway. For now, he's not doing anything, as CCP no doubt is putting every molecule of his ass under a microscope. But in a few weeks or so he won't be able to resist again, use the exploit, only to find out CCP hasn't really stopped watching him. -- Gorgeous, delicious, deculture! |
Dianeces
SiN. Corp Daisho Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.04.23 03:30:00 -
[1144]
Originally by: dumpertt
sudennly monkey didn't kill a shuttle since the thread at eve-ru started. it's just a coincidence, surely. but do you think an exploiter will use exploit after this ****storm?
It could be that. Or it could be that he's been trapped in a wormhole since Monday. But don't let logic derail your witch hunt~
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Ellatan Deruimte
Surreal corp Stain Empire
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Posted - 2010.04.23 03:33:00 -
[1145]
Edited by: Ellatan Deruimte on 23/04/2010 03:33:44
Originally by: Raivi
Actually I'd classify all the bubble tricks as one trick, but yes, you've found the one I was saying is obvious. The video is done. Encoding it now and uploading to youtube.
Tiny problem with that. None of the incidents describe any sorts of bubbles or mobiles, just arazu suddenly appearing near them within 2-3 seconds of appearing in local channel. That arazu character was entering the system for the first time in several hours with no neutral traffic beforehand, so there isn't a possibility for a log off. Looking forward to that video though.
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dumpertt
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Posted - 2010.04.23 03:36:00 -
[1146]
Edited by: dumpertt on 23/04/2010 03:36:04
Originally by: Raivi
He doesn't need to do logoff traps for all his targets. People ratting without watching their screens and poorly coded macros (some of the ones that make you warp to a safe and cloak can be caught relatively quickly with probes). Strings of kills now and again are the main "proof" people are bringing, and the truth is those are when he gets easy targets. The logoff traps do take a bit more time (but not all that much).
yes. the winning strike proves nothing, same to timeline. i don't care will monkey be banned or not: "server logs shows nothing". but if there is a way to cheat - i'd like it to be fixed as soon as possible. and if there is a guy who wins a lottery 10 times in a row - i'm pretty sure there is way to cheat.
that is why the investigation at eve-ru started.
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Ranka Mei
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.04.23 03:40:00 -
[1147]
Edited by: Ranka Mei on 23/04/2010 03:45:11
Originally by: Dianeces
Or it could be that he's been trapped in a wormhole since Monday. But don't let logic derail your witch hunt~
People have spotted him in Jita local since. Who knows? Maybe he used his exploit to magically transport himself out of said wormhole? :) -- Gorgeous, delicious, deculture! |
dumpertt
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Posted - 2010.04.23 03:45:00 -
[1148]
Originally by: Manny theMiner Well now.... I've never been accused of being the smartest pilot in NATO, or even smart in general, but I would wager that a dual box with the ratter in the addressbook would have a pretty good idea when to spring the log-onski TARP... and that most ratters return to the last chain they were ratting...
4 times in a row, in 4 different systems, in 20min for all, using a bs. repeat that, please.
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Lady Spank
Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta
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Posted - 2010.04.23 03:45:00 -
[1149]
Originally by: Ranka Mei Edited by: Ranka Mei on 23/04/2010 03:40:55
Originally by: dumpertt
Or it could be that he's been trapped in a wormhole since Monday. But don't let logic derail your witch hunt~
People have spotted him in Jita local since. Who knows? Maybe he used his exploit to magically transport himself out of said wormhole? :)
Who exactly has been seen in Jita local? I'm not disputing this, I just think you fail to comprehend even the basics of what is going on here. ~_~
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Raivi
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.04.23 03:48:00 -
[1150]
Edited by: Raivi on 23/04/2010 03:50:38 Edited by: Raivi on 23/04/2010 03:49:05
Originally by: Ellatan Deruimte Edited by: Ellatan Deruimte on 23/04/2010 03:33:44
Originally by: Raivi
Actually I'd classify all the bubble tricks as one trick, but yes, you've found the one I was saying is obvious. The video is done. Encoding it now and uploading to youtube.
Tiny problem with that. None of the incidents describe any sorts of bubbles or mobiles, just arazu suddenly appearing near them within 2-3 seconds of appearing in local channel. That arazu character was entering the system for the first time in several hours with no neutral traffic beforehand, so there isn't a possibility for a log off. Looking forward to that video though.
I'm working within the confines of the message posted by the OP, trusting that he's telling the truth. The concept that he'd been watching the system constantly for hours is not part of his story, although this would still be possible in that case, just harder. The specific trick I'm using in the video does not use a bubble (it's a separate game mechanic that I don't want to spread publicly at this time), but in cases of catching macros or players who log off when they see a hostile in local, dropping a normal interdictor bubble and then logging all your characters off in it works and will not show any bubble to the target if they stay logged off more than 2 minutes (not a stretch by any means).
My video is here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CY553NVwgVA
The quality is poor while it finished processing but it's a 1600x900 video so once it's all done it will be quite sharp. There is a 9 second delay between entering local and the domi being pointed because sisi was a bit slow acknowledging my decloak. It should be fast enough however to demonstrate that the ship appeared in space (cloaked) at the belt instead of e-warping. I may make another video with a cloaked hurricane or something to prove completely that the ship appears there instead of warping in.
I normally wouldn't take the risk that inserting a little reason into this thread might stop the flow of hilarious tears and speculation, but I think this troll has dug in enough that most people wouldn't accept any evidence so I'm not endangering the idiot supply. ---------------------------------------------
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Ranka Mei
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.04.23 03:50:00 -
[1151]
Originally by: Lady Spank
Who exactly has been seen in Jita local?
Who do you think? :) Read a few posts and you'll have your answer. -- Gorgeous, delicious, deculture! |
Daria Sol
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Posted - 2010.04.23 03:53:00 -
[1152]
Fix exploit it remove local chat in 0.0
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Lady Spank
Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta
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Posted - 2010.04.23 03:54:00 -
[1153]
Originally by: Ranka Mei
Originally by: Lady Spank
Who exactly has been seen in Jita local?
Who do you think? :) Read a few posts and you'll have your answer.
Thanks for your helpful reply. ~_~
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Orephia
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Posted - 2010.04.23 03:54:00 -
[1154]
Originally by: Ranka Mei People have spotted him in Jita local since. Who knows? Maybe he used his exploit
Damage con troll:
Originally by: karttoon Toying around I've also discovered ways to join multiple local channels and speak in them remotely
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Dianeces
SiN. Corp Daisho Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.04.23 03:57:00 -
[1155]
Originally by: Ranka Mei Edited by: Ranka Mei on 23/04/2010 03:45:11
Originally by: Dianeces
Or it could be that he's been trapped in a wormhole since Monday. But don't let logic derail your witch hunt~
People have spotted him in Jita local since. Who knows? Maybe he used his exploit to magically transport himself out of said wormhole? :)
Yeah, he got out today. Again, don't bother with facts when there are pitchforks to brandish.
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Widemouth Deepthroat
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Posted - 2010.04.23 04:00:00 -
[1156]
All Monkeysphere victims who crying exploit are chernobyl victim or macro ratter. Shame on you for use macro.
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dumpertt
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Posted - 2010.04.23 04:01:00 -
[1157]
Edited by: dumpertt on 23/04/2010 04:02:10
Originally by: Raivi logon trap
so that's how it works. pretty sure monkey did exactly that thing.
can we ask to fix the exploit now?
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Ranka Mei
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.04.23 04:01:00 -
[1158]
Originally by: Orephia
Originally by: Ranka Mei People have spotted him in Jita local since. Who knows? Maybe he used his exploit
Damage con troll:
Originally by: karttoon Toying around I've also discovered ways to join multiple local channels and speak in them remotely
Sigh. So, he might have been in a wormhole and still have talked in Jita local? Where does this craziness end? On the upside, it should be considerably easier for CCP to prove he was talking in Jita local whilst being trapped inside a wormhole (proving he tampared with the connection between client and server). If he indeed did so. This morning, though, people reported him talking in Jita local about Russian macro-miners. -- Gorgeous, delicious, deculture! |
Raivi
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.04.23 04:08:00 -
[1159]
Originally by: Dianeces
Yeah, he got out today. Again, don't bother with facts when there are pitchforks to brandish.
Actually he was still there last I talked to him.
Originally by: Ranka Mei
Originally by: Orephia
Originally by: Ranka Mei People have spotted him in Jita local since. Who knows? Maybe he used his exploit
Damage con troll:
Originally by: karttoon Toying around I've also discovered ways to join multiple local channels and speak in them remotely
Sigh. So, he might have been in a wormhole and still have talked in Jita local? Where does this craziness end? On the upside, it should be considerably easier for CCP to prove he was talking in Jita local whilst being trapped inside a wormhole (proving he tampared with the connection between client and server). If he indeed did so. This morning, though, people reported him talking in Jita local about Russian macro-miners.
Take a look at what character was talking in Jita and what character flys his Mach. And reconsider your policy of believing everything you read on the internet. ;) ---------------------------------------------
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Blood Mace
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Posted - 2010.04.23 04:08:00 -
[1160]
Raivi Nice video, unfortunately this mechanics does not explain such rate of kills. Because you must logged the same location as the victim. If monkey does not use exploit, so he is a very lucky bustard.
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Zeke Mobius
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Posted - 2010.04.23 04:11:00 -
[1161]
Over 1100 replies and CCP hasn't said anything yet? Is it possible they have no fix for this? How long have they known about it? Perhaps this has been around since the days of CCP employees spawning t2 bpo's for alliances and we are just now hearing about it?
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Clb
The Intersect
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Posted - 2010.04.23 04:12:00 -
[1162]
Open this thread in Eve-Search. Go to page 14. Read post number 408.
Not a logoff trap.
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Raivi
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.04.23 04:15:00 -
[1163]
Originally by: Blood Mace Raivi Nice video, unfortunately this mechanics does not explain such rate of kills. Because you must logged the same location as the victim. If monkey does not use exploit, so he is a very lucky bustard.
This is the tactic used to catch macros and players that log off when a hostile enters local. Of course he also gets kills against inattentive players and macros that warp to safespots (which use a different tactic to catch). It takes about 3-4 minutes to set up in the worst case scenario (when probing is required to find the belt the target was in). ---------------------------------------------
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Ellatan Deruimte
Surreal corp Stain Empire
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Posted - 2010.04.23 04:15:00 -
[1164]
Originally by: Raivi
I'm working within the confines of the message posted by the OP, trusting that he's telling the truth. The concept that he'd been watching the system constantly for hours is not part of his story, although this would still be possible in that case, just harder. The specific trick I'm using in the video does not use a bubble (it's a separate game mechanic that I don't want to spread publicly at this time), but in cases of catching macros or players who log off when they see a hostile in local, dropping a normal interdictor bubble and then logging all your characters off in it works and will not show any bubble to the target if they stay logged off more than 2 minutes (not a stretch by any means).
My video is here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CY553NVwgVA
The quality is poor while it finished processing but it's a 1600x900 video so once it's all done it will be quite sharp. There is a 9 second delay between entering local and the domi being pointed because sisi was a bit slow acknowledging my decloak. It should be fast enough however to demonstrate that the ship appeared in space (cloaked) at the belt instead of e-warping. I may make another video with a cloaked hurricane or something to prove completely that the ship appears there instead of warping in.
I normally wouldn't take the risk that inserting a little reason into this thread might stop the flow of hilarious tears and speculation, but I think this troll has dug in enough that most people wouldn't accept any evidence so I'm not endangering the idiot supply.
I'm working on the confines of dozens of testimonies by people from different alliances, not just one post by the OP here. They claim that nobody entered their local channel beforehand, log off traps is the very first thing that came to mind. Nobody believed them at the Russians forums at first, including myself. They said a 1600mm plated arazu (got the fit from his lossmails) appeared next to them within 3 seconds of entering local, while they were in a belt 60 aus away from the gate.
Thanks for posting your video though, it's still pretty interesting.
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Ranka Mei
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.04.23 04:18:00 -
[1165]
Originally by: Raivi
Actually he was still there last I talked to him.
Okay.
Quote:
Take a look at what character was talking in Jita and what character flys his Mach. And reconsider your policy of believing everything you read on the internet. ;)
I wasn't there myself. So, outside of what was reported, I wouldn't know which char of his did the talking. I take it you're suggesting one of his alts was, though? At least one mystery solved then. :) -- Gorgeous, delicious, deculture! |
dumpertt
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Posted - 2010.04.23 04:23:00 -
[1166]
Originally by: Raivi
Originally by: Blood Mace Raivi Nice video, unfortunately this mechanics does not explain such rate of kills. Because you must logged the same location as the victim. If monkey does not use exploit, so he is a very lucky bustard.
This is the tactic used to catch macros and players that log off when a hostile enters local. Of course he also gets kills against inattentive players and macros that warp to safespots (which use a different tactic to catch). It takes about 3-4 minutes to set up in the worst case scenario (when probing is required to find the belt the target was in).
so... are you ready to catch me in 4 minutes using this supertechnique?
terms:
i'm at random belt, ratting u are at the belt next system u set up your perfect logon trap to catch me - like u appear from nothere.
i will be waiting you 18-00 eve time at sisi if you are ready. if not... well, it's just fine.
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Jeremey
Glittering Dust
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Posted - 2010.04.23 04:28:00 -
[1167]
Edited by: Jeremey on 23/04/2010 04:36:19 Edited by: Jeremey on 23/04/2010 04:32:51
Originally by: Raivi There is a 9 second delay between entering local and the domi being pointed because sisi was a bit slow acknowledging my decloak. It should be fast enough however to demonstrate that the ship appeared in space (cloaked) at the belt instead of e-warping. I may make another video with a cloaked hurricane or something to prove completely that the ship appears there instead of warping in.
But it doesn't explain the fact that The Monkeysphere have very, very many successful kills-in-a-row of hunter's faction BSs and marauders in 0.0. Macrobot's don't use Golems to hunt drones, so it's hardly possible to guess in what belt and when such player-piloted golem will warp next. Also if pilot of such Golem know that enemy is within constellation (by secure channels, for example), he will not go to farm to belts.
I have many kills myself, many of them done in 0.0, many solo. And I can tell that killing ratting marauder in 0.0 is relative rare event for each particular player, even if he is good pvper. But monkey have them in a row.
Look, for example, at this killmail (it's kills of CNR - one of three, died in the same grid - you think none of them catched by the eye the change of local?). It have comment from 2010-03-31 (longbefore this drama started): "exploiter 2010-03-31 - I see that monkey want public drama about his cheating with local visibility Xirxo 2010-04-01 - LOL Monkeysphere they know you've been usin dem hax bro"
I understand that it may have been added not long ago from trolling purposes, but how do you explain the fact that since this drama started The Monkeysphere haven't any more kills? Why doesn't he kill anymore with his "method" if he is innocent?
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Raivi
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.04.23 04:29:00 -
[1168]
Originally by: Ellatan Deruimte
Originally by: Raivi
I'm working within the confines of the message posted by the OP, trusting that he's telling the truth. The concept that he'd been watching the system constantly for hours is not part of his story, although this would still be possible in that case, just harder. The specific trick I'm using in the video does not use a bubble (it's a separate game mechanic that I don't want to spread publicly at this time), but in cases of catching macros or players who log off when they see a hostile in local, dropping a normal interdictor bubble and then logging all your characters off in it works and will not show any bubble to the target if they stay logged off more than 2 minutes (not a stretch by any means).
My video is here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CY553NVwgVA
The quality is poor while it finished processing but it's a 1600x900 video so once it's all done it will be quite sharp. There is a 9 second delay between entering local and the domi being pointed because sisi was a bit slow acknowledging my decloak. It should be fast enough however to demonstrate that the ship appeared in space (cloaked) at the belt instead of e-warping. I may make another video with a cloaked hurricane or something to prove completely that the ship appears there instead of warping in.
I normally wouldn't take the risk that inserting a little reason into this thread might stop the flow of hilarious tears and speculation, but I think this troll has dug in enough that most people wouldn't accept any evidence so I'm not endangering the idiot supply.
I'm working on the confines of dozens of testimonies by people from different alliances, not just one post by the OP here. They claim that nobody entered their local channel beforehand, log off traps is the very first thing that came to mind. Nobody believed them at the Russians forums at first, including myself. They said a 1600mm plated arazu (got the fit from his lossmails) appeared next to them within 3 seconds of entering local, while they were in a belt 60 aus away from the gate.
Thanks for posting your video though, it's still pretty interesting.
Well first I want to say good job working on plugging this exploit, and I sure hope that the huhuhu guy is going to send all the code directly to CCP. I also hope that he doesn't get banned for his efforts to improve the game the way a certain unnameable member of PL was when he exposed a major exploit.
I won't be able to play whack a mole and recreate every personal testimony that people make, but I noticed how much people were underestimating the power of logon traps for catching macros. I'm seeing two fallacies repeated in these threads over and over again:
1) that the e-warp prevents a logon trap from catching a macro or person watching the screen closely.
2) that every kill Monkey makes has to use the same tactic (people claiming that a streak of kills once every few days proves he's exploiting as if every other good soloer in the game doesn't get streaks of easy kills when they find stupid people in 0.0)
Most likely scenario here is CCP fixes the exploit, Monkey keeps killing macros, affected Russians continue to froth at the mouth and search for a new exploit to pin on him, they find a new exploit, ccp fixes the new one, and the cycle repeats forever with Eve getting less buggy and a bunch of very frustrated macroratters unable to sleep at night because Monkeysphere might be in their closet. Win win. ---------------------------------------------
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Huhuhuhuhuhuh
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Posted - 2010.04.23 04:30:00 -
[1169]
Originally by: Raivi
Most likely scenario here is CCP fixes the exploit, Monkey keeps killing macros, affected Russians continue to froth at the mouth and search for a new exploit to pin on him, they find a new exploit, ccp fixes the new one, and the cycle repeats forever with Eve getting less buggy and a bunch of very frustrated macroratters unable to sleep at night because Monkeysphere might be in their closet. Win win.
If its true, I'd be happy monkey ~
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Blood Mace
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Posted - 2010.04.23 04:37:00 -
[1170]
This thread is not about macrosers and bots. We are talking about space magic, aka exploit using.
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Jeremey
Glittering Dust
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Posted - 2010.04.23 04:41:00 -
[1171]
Edited by: Jeremey on 23/04/2010 04:43:39
Originally by: Raivi Most likely scenario here is CCP fixes the exploit, Monkey keeps killing macros, affected Russians continue to froth at the mouth and search for a new exploit to pin on him, they find a new exploit
It's hardly so, because, honestly, how many time you saw a situation when someone accused in using an exploit and then literally in days a new exploit that allows literally the same is found?
You're trying to paint these situation in such way that russians found the found the exploit that allows the same that The Monkeysphere do - that it's just coincidence. But on top of such "coincidence" lays "coincidence" of PL's killboard comments about "local exploit" near Monkey's killmails, "coincidence" in his victim's testimonies about him not appearing in local, and so on, and so on.
Also don't follow the path of your alliance trolls: don't forget that this whole drama started not because of some "russian macrofarmers" - they don't post on eve-o forums, after all. It started from testimony of The Monkeysphere's victim, who lost marauder to him in X-Type fitting - clearly, he is not a macrobot.
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Ellatan Deruimte
Surreal corp Stain Empire
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Posted - 2010.04.23 04:41:00 -
[1172]
Originally by: Raivi
Well first I want to say good job working on plugging this exploit, and I sure hope that the huhuhu guy is going to send all the code directly to CCP. I also hope that he doesn't get banned for his efforts to improve the game the way a certain unnameable member of PL was when he exposed a major exploit.
I won't be able to play whack a mole and recreate every personal testimony that people make, but I noticed how much people were underestimating the power of logon traps for catching macros. I'm seeing two fallacies repeated in these threads over and over again:
1) that the e-warp prevents a logon trap from catching a macro or person watching the screen closely.
2) that every kill Monkey makes has to use the same tactic (people claiming that a streak of kills once every few days proves he's exploiting as if every other good soloer in the game doesn't get streaks of easy kills when they find stupid people in 0.0)
Most likely scenario here is CCP fixes the exploit, Monkey keeps killing macros, affected Russians continue to froth at the mouth and search for a new exploit to pin on him, they find a new exploit, ccp fixes the new one, and the cycle repeats forever with Eve getting less buggy and a bunch of very frustrated macroratters unable to sleep at night because Monkeysphere might be in their closet. Win win.
You are missing the entire point of this thread then. This thread is not about macrobotters. Nobody cares about them, their owners do not post on the forums. It's extremely xenophobic of you to accuse all of the Russians posting here of using macros. I'm Russian for example, I don't run bots, neither do them. People who posted about their losses were ratting in very expensive marauders, not running bots.
Judging from your video I'm not even sure what's faster, an e-warp from a ceptor or the demonstration that you showed, which I provided a possible explanation for without any "special" game mechanics.
I hope that no local bug will be fixed, because it does exist. As far as Monkeysphere, who cares really, we'll see how it turns out. If he was exploiting, and CCP cannot track those things, then he will be unpunished in any case.
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Lee Kin
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Posted - 2010.04.23 04:50:00 -
[1173]
Cut the sh*t, every time more proof is posted a little ground is given. I have seen him do the very things that were reproduced on the test server. I have , as well as many others saw him pass by without being in local chat. This is like the t20 incident in alot of ways. When people finally nail your hide to a post with a mountain of evidence you will finally admit it. But this is way to much work for everyone every time to extract a little truth.Just come clean and move on.
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Raivi
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.04.23 04:53:00 -
[1174]
Edited by: Raivi on 23/04/2010 04:56:05
Originally by: Ellatan Deruimte
Although an easy explanation comes to my mind right away:
1) dominix anchors a mobile 2) log off pilgrim in mobile 3) deanchor mobile with Dominix 4) log on pilgrim 5) ... 5) profit! There are no exploits!
(or do something similar with a dictor bubble)
That would work (dictor bubble would be much easier) although it's not the specific trick I used in the video. Could have used a third character with a dictor to achieve the same results but the technique I used in the video has the advantage of being doable with only one character.
Originally by: Ellatan Deruimte
Originally by: Raivi
Well first I want to say good job working on plugging this exploit, and I sure hope that the huhuhu guy is going to send all the code directly to CCP. I also hope that he doesn't get banned for his efforts to improve the game the way a certain unnameable member of PL was when he exposed a major exploit.
I won't be able to play whack a mole and recreate every personal testimony that people make, but I noticed how much people were underestimating the power of logon traps for catching macros. I'm seeing two fallacies repeated in these threads over and over again:
1) that the e-warp prevents a logon trap from catching a macro or person watching the screen closely.
2) that every kill Monkey makes has to use the same tactic (people claiming that a streak of kills once every few days proves he's exploiting as if every other good soloer in the game doesn't get streaks of easy kills when they find stupid people in 0.0)
Most likely scenario here is CCP fixes the exploit, Monkey keeps killing macros, affected Russians continue to froth at the mouth and search for a new exploit to pin on him, they find a new exploit, ccp fixes the new one, and the cycle repeats forever with Eve getting less buggy and a bunch of very frustrated macroratters unable to sleep at night because Monkeysphere might be in their closet. Win win.
You are missing the entire point of this thread then. This thread is not about ma ---------------------------------------------
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dumpertt
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Posted - 2010.04.23 04:57:00 -
[1175]
Raivi, are you ready to catch me in 4 minutes?
i've never been killed by monkey, btw.
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Raivi
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.04.23 04:59:00 -
[1176]
Originally by: Ellatan Deruimte
Originally by: Raivi
Well first I want to say good job working on plugging this exploit, and I sure hope that the huhuhu guy is going to send all the code directly to CCP. I also hope that he doesn't get banned for his efforts to improve the game the way a certain unnameable member of PL was when he exposed a major exploit.
I won't be able to play whack a mole and recreate every personal testimony that people make, but I noticed how much people were underestimating the power of logon traps for catching macros. I'm seeing two fallacies repeated in these threads over and over again:
1) that the e-warp prevents a logon trap from catching a macro or person watching the screen closely.
2) that every kill Monkey makes has to use the same tactic (people claiming that a streak of kills once every few days proves he's exploiting as if every other good soloer in the game doesn't get streaks of easy kills when they find stupid people in 0.0)
Most likely scenario here is CCP fixes the exploit, Monkey keeps killing macros, affected Russians continue to froth at the mouth and search for a new exploit to pin on him, they find a new exploit, ccp fixes the new one, and the cycle repeats forever with Eve getting less buggy and a bunch of very frustrated macroratters unable to sleep at night because Monkeysphere might be in their closet. Win win.
You are missing the entire point of this thread then. This thread is not about macrobotters. Nobody cares about them, their owners do not post on the forums. It's extremely xenophobic of you to accuse all of the Russians posting here of using macros. I'm Russian for example, I don't run bots, neither do them. People who posted about their losses were ratting in very expensive marauders, not running bots.
Judging from your video I'm not even sure what's faster, an e-warp from a ceptor or the demonstration that you showed, which I provided a possible explanation for without any "special" game mechanics.
I hope that no local bug will be fixed, because it does exist. As far as Monkeysphere, who cares really, we'll see how it turns out. If he was exploiting, and CCP cannot track those things, then he will be unpunished in any case.
I had a whole post written here but it got accidentally deleted when I edited the post to answer another point as well. Suffice to say I did not intend to be xenophobic, but my assertion that this is a witchhunt that will never end even if proof is given stands. If Monkey keeps killing after the exploit is fixed all that will change is the victims will start searching for a new exploit to pin on him. ---------------------------------------------
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Jeremey
Glittering Dust
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Posted - 2010.04.23 05:03:00 -
[1177]
Edited by: Jeremey on 23/04/2010 05:05:19 Edited by: Jeremey on 23/04/2010 05:05:01
Originally by: Raivi In the case of my demonstration, a macro that logs off and a player that log off when neutrals enter local are effectively equivalent targets. Macros are simply the extreme case in that they can log off faster than any real player and are therefore harder to catch via normal means.
Except that player will not login after 3-5 minutes being in marauder that costs 3bil. He will scout with an alt or ask corpmates in TeamSpeak to post message in secure channel. They eve can use this marauder as bait - but monkeysphere have very low count of losses, so somehow against him baits were used miracolously very rarely!
Originally by: Raivi My comment about affected Russians was not meant to insinuate that all Russians are macroratters, but I stand by my point that the goal of this thread has not been to explore game mechanics for their own sake but to find at all costs an illegal explanation for Monkeysphere's ability. I'm happy that an actual exploit has been found along the way, but that doesn't change the origin of this whole thing (and yes I've read the translated Russian thread that spawned this one). People being killed by Monkey will not accept any explanation other than an exploit
Yes, the whole point of this thread and thread on russian forums was to find explanation to The Monkey's actions. But before "exploit solution" many other solutions were discussed and tested - and none of them fitted. And when "exploit solution" after that was researched - surprise! - exploit was found. What a coincidence!
Originally by: Raivi so if he continues to successfully hunt after this bug is fixed all it will do is start the witch hunt over again.
But currently we see quite the opposite situation: The Monkeysphere STOPPED killing anything after this exploit has been found. So, where is his marauder and golem kills now, if they are not connected with this exploit?
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Raivi
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.04.23 05:04:00 -
[1178]
Edited by: Raivi on 23/04/2010 05:06:20
Originally by: dumpertt Raivi, are you ready to catch me in 4 minutes?
i've never been killed by monkey, btw.
I'm not going to agree to some kind of strawman competition to catch someone who knows I'm coming and who I've already shown a video of my tactic to. Unless of course you want to make it interesting by doing it on TQ. Then I'd consider it.
Originally by: Jeremey
But currently we see quite the opposite situation: The Monkeysphere STOPPED killing anything after this exploit has been found. So, where is his marauder and golem kills now, if they are not connected with this exploit?
That's already been explained multiple times in this thread and can also be deduced with a locator agent. It's not provable beyond a shadow of a doubt, so you're just going to have to keep ratting in your most expensive ship, confident that you're safe from him forever. ---------------------------------------------
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Ellatan Deruimte
Surreal corp Stain Empire
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Posted - 2010.04.23 05:06:00 -
[1179]
Originally by: Raivi
I had a whole post written here but it got accidentally deleted when I edited the post to answer another point as well. Suffice to say I did not intend to be xenophobic, but my assertion that this is a witchhunt that will never end even if proof is given stands. If Monkey keeps killing after the exploit is fixed all that will change is the victims will start searching for a new exploit to pin on him.
There are already more exploits attributed to him, however, afaik none of them have been replicated, so I tend to be skeptical about them. A lot of them can be easily explained with no local exploit. The fact that Monkeysphere is a programmer from Estonia doesn't help his case either. I'm not saying that every programmer is an exploiter, but that occupation provides some technical knowledge required for it.
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Jeremey
Glittering Dust
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Posted - 2010.04.23 05:09:00 -
[1180]
Originally by: Ellatan Deruimte The fact that Monkeysphere is a programmer from Estonia doesn't help his case either.
It's just another coincidence. Like comments in killmails and golems-in-a-row.
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Raivi
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.04.23 05:09:00 -
[1181]
Edited by: Raivi on 23/04/2010 05:10:43
Originally by: Ellatan Deruimte
The fact that Monkeysphere is a programmer from Estonia doesn't help his case either. I'm not saying that every programmer is an exploiter, but that occupation provides some technical knowledge required for it.
If I was a less reasonable man I'd accuse you of being xenophobic with that Estonia remark. But instead I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and point out that it's easy to misconstrue meanings so we should all be slow to judge another as xenophobic.
Originally by: Jeremey
Originally by: Ellatan Deruimte The fact that Monkeysphere is a programmer from Estonia doesn't help his case either.
It's just another coincidence. Like comments in killmails and golems-in-a-row.
It's easy to see coincidences when they match what you really really want to believe. And that's the last I'll bother bashing against that brick wall. ---------------------------------------------
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Jeremey
Glittering Dust
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Posted - 2010.04.23 05:16:00 -
[1182]
Edited by: Jeremey on 23/04/2010 05:16:16
Originally by: Raivi If I was a less reasonable man I'd accuse you of being xenophobic with that Estonia remark.
By "programmer from Estonia" he just means that it's widely known fact that The Monkey is programmer. That he is not abstract/maybe "a programmer", but that it is well known that he lives in particular country and have programming skills.
Originally by: Raivi It's easy to see coincidences when they match what you really really want to believe.
I personally wanted to believe that The Monkey uses some new pvp trick and I wanted to learn it from him. And many others who researched this matter thought the same.
So these accusations of exploiting is not just someone's random fantasies - quite opposite, it is neccessary explanations of The Monkey's actions.
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dumpertt
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Posted - 2010.04.23 05:20:00 -
[1183]
Originally by: Raivi
Originally by: dumpertt Raivi, are you ready to catch me in 4 minutes?
i've never been killed by monkey, btw.
I'm not going to agree to some kind of strawman competition to catch someone who knows I'm coming and who I've already shown a video of my tactic to. Unless of course you want to make it interesting by doing it on TQ. Then I'd consider it.
i have only 1 character who flys bs, unfortunately it's high-sec agentrunner (completely neutral to all zero-sec camps) and it is hard to get a bs at 0.0 for him. is the has ok? let's do it on tq.
i still don't get what is wrong with the fact i've seen your super-tactics - all i have to do is to log off then u 1st enter the local, wait until you log off, logon once again and wait you appering like a cheshire cat, right?
4 minutes - and if you can do it w/o even knowing a belt - i will do my best to persuade those monkey victims that monkeys are awesome. just think about it.
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Widemouth Deepthroat
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Posted - 2010.04.23 05:27:00 -
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I have heard rumor that Monkeysphere is in fact the developer behind the macro ratter program all these cheater is use and he has put a secret command into this program that will hide him in local, warp to certain planet for him to kill, transfer isk to his character and have cyber with him even.
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Certero
Hades and Charon funeral parlour
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Posted - 2010.04.23 05:30:00 -
[1185]
Originally by: Widemouth Deepthroat I have heard rumor that Monkeysphere is in fact the developer behind the macro ratter program all these cheater is use and he has put a secret command into this program that will hide him in local, warp to certain planet for him to kill, transfer isk to his character and have cyber with him even.
Rly? So maybe you heared about "not-in-local" exploit also? If so, relax, it's just rumors. * EVE-RU vs Cheaters * |
Alchemos
Gallente Middle School Comedy Club Space Jam.
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Posted - 2010.04.23 05:31:00 -
[1186]
Looking at the killmails it kinda does look like something is up. He always does it with only the same 2-3 characters. He could just know a lot about how bots work and time his logins accordingly though.
The strange part is he has not gotten any kills using it since the thread was made though, that seems like the perfect time to do it for maximum troll effect if that was his goal. A lot of people defending him too, which seems strange because if he really didn't exploit he would not even need to respond in a serious manner at all.
I am pretty jealous he found a way to do this exploit or not, looks like mad fun.
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buttesauce
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Posted - 2010.04.23 05:31:00 -
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i think the most damning evidence is that he hasn't killed anyone since this thread was posted. getting stuck in a wormhole sure is convenient... because it never happened or he went there on purpose.
PL is pretty terrible anyway... i guess you guys had to recruit elitist ops to pull you up by the boot straps
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rororor
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Posted - 2010.04.23 05:39:00 -
[1188]
just run a locater agent on him and see if he really is in a wormhole.
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Jeremey
Glittering Dust
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Posted - 2010.04.23 05:42:00 -
[1189]
Originally by: Widemouth Deepthroat I have heard rumor that Monkeysphere is in fact the developer behind the macro ratter program all these cheater is use and he has put a secret command into this program that will hide him in local, warp to certain planet for him to kill, transfer isk to his character and have cyber with him even.
You're lying, he is innocent pvper!
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Widemouth Deepthroat
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Posted - 2010.04.23 05:47:00 -
[1190]
Who would be so stupid to warp back and forth to the same safe spot in a easy to probe ship (ie Golem) while log in and out at predictable intervals almost as if they were not controlled by a player?
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Praporschik
Caldari SoT Soldiers of Thunderstorm
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Posted - 2010.04.23 05:48:00 -
[1191]
PL overloading damage control but it still could not control damage.
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Grath Telkin
Amarr Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.04.23 05:48:00 -
[1192]
Originally by: Jeremey
You're lying, he is innocent pvper!
And you were being openly laughed at by the 60th page of the EVE-RU thread, because your gullible in a way that no breathing human has a right to be.
Also, El, you can call me xenophobic all you want, but I read the russian thread, and the way that botting is openly talked about on that forum is disturbing in the most extreme sense, its like you guys don't even care if people find out on that forum.
The first pages of the thread are full of botters crying about it, so you can park your high horse over in the shed, and come down here with the rest of the filth, your not fooling anybody.
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Jeremey
Glittering Dust
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Posted - 2010.04.23 05:49:00 -
[1193]
Edited by: Jeremey on 23/04/2010 05:54:58
Originally by: Widemouth Deepthroat Who would be so stupid to warp back and forth to the same safe spot in a easy to probe ship (ie Golem) while log in and out at predictable intervals almost as if they were not controlled by a player?
Macrorussians in golems fitted in x-type, of course. How's The Monkeysphere can kill, if it's not them?
Originally by: Grath Telkin And you were being openly laughed at by the 60th page of the EVE-RU thread, because your gullible in a way that no breathing human has a right to be.
Sorry, I found no mentions of me on 60th page, so I think you confused the page.
But you're right in that if someone at eve-ru told that I'm pathetic - that it clearly means that The Monkeysphere is innocent and haven't used that exploit.
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Kadesh Priestess
Scalding Chill
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Posted - 2010.04.23 05:51:00 -
[1194]
Edited by: Kadesh Priestess on 23/04/2010 05:53:13
Originally by: Raivi I'm not going to agree to some kind of strawman competition to catch someone who knows I'm coming and who I've already shown a video of my tactic to. Unless of course you want to make it interesting by doing it on TQ. Then I'd consider it.
It shouldn't be hard to replicate standard macroratter behavior (random waiting time after somebody entered and left system, random belts, etc). I don't think that he wants to prove you that you're wrong, more like he wants to check how's it possible w/o using any exploits.
Still - this doesn't explain how he caught guys in expensive ships while they had one eye on local and another one on secure channel.
Originally by: Grath Telkin The first pages of the thread are full of botters crying about it, so you can park your high horse over in the shed, and come down here with the rest of the filth, your not fooling anybody.
Post here a proof.
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Raivi
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.04.23 05:52:00 -
[1195]
Originally by: Praporschik PL overloading damage control but it still could not control damage.
Little known fact: the ability to overload your damage control is the first exploit Monkey ever programmed. He was only 13 at the time. ---------------------------------------------
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dumpertt
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Posted - 2010.04.23 05:54:00 -
[1196]
Originally by: Widemouth Deepthroat Who would be so stupid to warp back and forth to the same safe spot in a easy to probe ship (ie Golem) while log in and out at predictable intervals almost as if they were not controlled by a player?
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=6363592
obviously the character was controlled by the player, isn't it? still, it took 10min to get his ship (and pod!) down after monkey got this "macrofarmer" - http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=6363593.
tengu is easy to probe ship and it lacks agility? never underestimate monkeys, bro.
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Bad Kroxa
Amarr Russian SOBR SOLAR FLEET
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Posted - 2010.04.23 06:00:00 -
[1197]
We would like to hear an official response from a CCP employee that they are looking into the issue and trying to reproduce the exploit internally. We would like CCP to state that the use of such an exploit, if proven to be real, will result in the permanent ban of the character using it. We would like to do everything we can to prevent the use of this exploit from spreading to maintain the integrity of the game. CCP, please give us the acknowledgment that this issue didn't fall on deaf ears.
If you are also interested in exploit free Eve-online, support our efforts and let your voices be heard!
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Certero
Hades and Charon funeral parlour
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Posted - 2010.04.23 06:01:00 -
[1198]
Originally by: Raivi
Originally by: Praporschik PL overloading damage control but it still could not control damage.
Little known fact: the ability to overload your damage control is the first exploit Monkey ever programmed. He was only 13 at the time.
Very funny (as any PL post here). But can I ask you something? We are waiting for Monkey to start killing again! Can you tell him that eve-ru pilots and number of guys from this thread ask him to make new kills as soon as he can (i heard about 3-4 days in WH, so tomorrow he'll be outside WH i think). We ask him to kill ratters in his usual manner - no need to change old good strategy Three chars as usual, ships as usual, and 3-4 ratters in a row (as soon as possible). We want to believe he is innocent! Help us please! * EVE-RU vs Cheaters * |
Romale
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.04.23 06:09:00 -
[1199]
so i'm still waiting for ccp to do something about the bolsheviks since they are the only ones who have proven they know how to cheat. its pretty clear from reading eve-ru and then this abortion of a thread that there is some kind of racial cabal on the part of the bolsheviks to slander monkeysphere, i demand justice
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Jeremey
Glittering Dust
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Posted - 2010.04.23 06:09:00 -
[1200]
Edited by: Jeremey on 23/04/2010 06:10:30
Originally by: Romale so i'm still waiting for ccp to do something about the bolsheviks since they are the only ones who have proven they know how to cheat. its pretty clear from reading eve-ru and then this abortion of a thread that there is some kind of racial cabal on the part of the bolsheviks to slander monkeysphere, i demand justice
So, who else from your ally have not used this no-local exploit? Please tell this to safeguard them from dirty occasional accusations in exploit usage.
I think Awox is innocent too.
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Certero
Hades and Charon funeral parlour
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Posted - 2010.04.23 06:12:00 -
[1201]
Originally by: Romale so i'm still waiting for ccp to do something about the bolsheviks since they are the only ones who have proven they know how to cheat. its pretty clear from reading eve-ru and then this abortion of a thread that there is some kind of racial cabal on the part of the bolsheviks to slander monkeysphere, i demand justice
quoted for moderators * EVE-RU vs Cheaters * |
Huhuhuhuhuhuh
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Posted - 2010.04.23 06:24:00 -
[1202]
Originally by: Certero
Very funny (as any PL post here). But can I ask you something? We are waiting for Monkey to start killing again! Can you tell him that eve-ru pilots and number of guys from this thread ask him to make new kills as soon as he can (i heard about 3-4 days in WH, so tomorrow he'll be outside WH i think). We ask him to kill ratters in his usual manner - no need to change old good strategy Three chars as usual, ships as usual, and 3-4 ratters in a row (as soon as possible). We want to believe he is innocent! Help us please!
In fact. There is singularity. I think if Monkey was in our monkey channel, he could log in his 3 alts there and show us how it is done properly.
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Certero
Hades and Charon funeral parlour
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Posted - 2010.04.23 06:30:00 -
[1203]
I hope moderators will clean this thread from posts which contain rasism and nationalism. It's easy enough - you just need to read reports and/or messages from PL members. * EVE-RU vs Cheaters * |
Concorduck
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.04.23 06:33:00 -
[1204]
40 pages of russian rants.
Welcome to EVE :3
Originally by: Crumplecorn Contact the CSM about it, voting themselves into disbandment wouldn't be pushing the boundaries of absurdity for them.
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Ded MATAP
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Posted - 2010.04.23 06:34:00 -
[1205]
Originally by: Huhuhuhuhuhuh
Originally by: Certero
Very funny (as any PL post here). But can I ask you something? We are waiting for Monkey to start killing again! Can you tell him that eve-ru pilots and number of guys from this thread ask him to make new kills as soon as he can (i heard about 3-4 days in WH, so tomorrow he'll be outside WH i think). We ask him to kill ratters in his usual manner - no need to change old good strategy Three chars as usual, ships as usual, and 3-4 ratters in a row (as soon as possible). We want to believe he is innocent! Help us please!
In fact. There is singularity. I think if Monkey was in our monkey channel, he could log in his 3 alts there and show us how it is done properly.
Yes, the best monkey can do to prove his innocence, and confirm great PvP skill, is repeat some of his killing sprees on public.
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Bendit
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Posted - 2010.04.23 06:34:00 -
[1206]
Originally by: Raivi Damage control overload
All what you type seems well and swell. But it doesnt change the fact that monkey is/was using a cheat/hack/exploit whatever.
That he has been using it for a looong time is known to many people. Asking for a video that shows him doing it is like asking someone to film next time they get robbed, and the robber knowing about it.
You can track killmails all way back in early 2009 and find comments about his exploits, but the victims usually trolled to silence by, yes you guessed it PL pilots.
I have witnessed his exploits first hand, killed my ratter, so yes I know what he can do. I watched him move through systems without showing up in local ( cloaked scout on gates ), this was some time after he killed my ratter.
But as we know from CCP, if it doesnt show up in their server side logs, you have no proof. So petitions just get closed.
Remove this exploit and monkey`s effectiveness in killing ratters or macroers will plummet.
4-10 minutes between each kill multiple times in a row, doing a log on/log off trick?? Give me a break, anyone who has been killing bots know`s it usually takes longer time for the bots to go active again if you appear in their local. Especially if you are a known person in thoose ares and known for killing them.
But please, go ahead do some more damage control, it only makes yuo look ******ed or just plain ignorant. And it`s quite fun to see the desperation setting in.
The once so famous leet pvp organisation, reduced to a gang of low life exploit/hackers, justifing it by: "oh, oh, oh, but they are macro users, we are the saviours, right?, right?, guys?"
Well, I`m not a macro users and it pleases me to see that the truth is finally up in the open.
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Raivi
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.04.23 06:38:00 -
[1207]
Originally by: Bendit
Originally by: Raivi Damage control overload
Unsubstantiated rage from an obvious macroer.
U mad? ---------------------------------------------
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species2143
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Posted - 2010.04.23 06:39:00 -
[1208]
Originally by: dumpertt
Originally by: Widemouth Deepthroat Who would be so stupid to warp back and forth to the same safe spot in a easy to probe ship (ie Golem) while log in and out at predictable intervals almost as if they were not controlled by a player?
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=6363592
obviously the character was controlled by the player, isn't it? still, it took 10min to get his ship (and pod!) down after monkey got this "macrofarmer" - http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=6363593.
tengu is easy to probe ship and it lacks agility? never underestimate monkeys, bro.
@ dumpertt:
You really should stop and think for a few moments before posting the first thing that comes to mind.
Your links prove absolutely NOTHING, in fact they show that the tengu really did have a ratting setup easely usable for a bot. Whether or not the pilot was using a macro or not is impossible to determine just by looking at the killmail. Therefore any reasoning or points you base on these assumptions are flawed.
In addition I have to comment that the terms with which you wanted to do the testing of the "technique" with raivi where vaguely outlined and not really constructive. The fact that the exploit has been proven does not necessarily connect it with monkey, therefore the connection is purely speculation. The way you where laying out the demonstration would have been a lose-lose situation for raivi. Either he would have failed to catch you because you didn't behave like a bot thus you'd claim victory and still have proven nothing, or he would had caught you and you could still claim he's using the exploit since he won't explain what he did. The end result would have been... nothing.
What disturbs me is the fact that raivi is one of the few posters from PL that have actually attempted to give some content to this thread rather than the usual trolling and bovine-extrement posts by indicating the unconfirmed existence of ways to acchieve similar results without circumventing the game mechanics. Instead of being welcomed open-arms he is instead greeted with spite and accusations related to him being biased etc.
Therefore Raivi I will gladly take your invitation for the demostrations on TQ of your techniques, with decently fitted BS's on my side if you are still up for it. The location and time to be arranged, and with the following conditions:
1. A trusted third party acceptable by both parties will be informed in full detail of the techniques used. This is the only way that I have to be certain that what you say is true without you having to explain your techniques thus loosing the advantage. It's not that I don't trust your word... I simply don't trust anyone I don't know on their word.
2. I will behave like a bot in 3 scenarios to be defined more in detail before we begin the demonstration.
3. Whatever kills and loot you get is yours... I'll probably trow some faction loot on the ships just to make it worth while and give further incentive to kill me.
4. All information that could lead to revealing the legit techniques adopted will be omitted from public unless you chose otherwise.
5. ???
6. Profit!
Does this roughly outlined scenario sound acceptable to you? Signature removed not EVE related - Adida |
Ranka Mei
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.04.23 06:42:00 -
[1209]
Originally by: rororor just run a locater agent on him and see if he really is in a wormhole.
You guys are stitch! The Wizard of 0.0 goes into a WH sans probe launcher, like a total noob? Uh-huh. And, naturally, none of his Pandemic Legion chums is willing to guide their hero out, right? That's the official cover-up story for why he suddenly can't do his magic kills any more, no? Who in your corp does the PR? Hi-larious!
Oh, and sync your story a bit amongst yourselves, for that already scaringly thin suspension of disbelief, cuz I just had another of you detractors tell me Monkeyboy already got out this morning. A little consistency goes a long way.
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Clb
The Intersect
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Posted - 2010.04.23 06:53:00 -
[1210]
Originally by: species2143 Your links prove absolutely NOTHING, in fact they show that the tengu really did have a ratting setup easely usable for a bot.
Bot would have a cloak.
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Soroksorok
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Posted - 2010.04.23 06:56:00 -
[1211]
Originally by: species2143
Originally by: dumpertt
Originally by: Widemouth Deepthroat Who would be so stupid to warp back and forth to the same safe spot in a easy to probe ship (ie Golem) while log in and out at predictable intervals almost as if they were not controlled by a player?
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=6363592
obviously the character was controlled by the player, isn't it? still, it took 10min to get his ship (and pod!) down after monkey got this "macrofarmer" - http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=6363593.
tengu is easy to probe ship and it lacks agility? never underestimate monkeys, bro.
@ dumpertt:
You really should stop and think for a few moments before posting the first thing that comes to mind.
Your links prove absolutely NOTHING, in fact they show that the tengu really did have a ratting setup easely usable for a bot. Whether or not the pilot was using a macro or not is impossible to determine just by looking at the killmail. Therefore any reasoning or points you base on these assumptions are flawed.
Sorry, mate, but it seems you're the one who should stop and think for a moment. Take a closer look at the killmail. The glorious russian bot killed a curse, right?
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Stygian Knight
Blood Covenant Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.04.23 06:56:00 -
[1212]
I love this thread.
So many hurt faces help my work runs faster
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Sturmwolke
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Posted - 2010.04.23 07:01:00 -
[1213]
Well, my take, depending on how well CCP log their nodes :
Login traps - timestamp on login/logout of player(s) Dictors (jumping) - stargate records Dictors (safe spotted/from POS) - object records Mobile bubble - anchored object records
If they have those, it would narrow down a lot as to what sort of mechanics were in use. Make no mistake however, the exploit exist and has been demonstrated a few pages back.
If the rats are preparing to abandon ship (just in case of a ban), it might be interesting to have a look at their account's wallet and assets to see what sort of movement is taking place
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Jane Vherokior
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Posted - 2010.04.23 07:02:00 -
[1214]
Sounds to me like Pandemic pilots are just as complicit as members of another certain alliance were in another recent exploit...
Anyone who's been around for a while knows this stuff is ignored by CCP, regardless of complaints from PAYING subscribers. Just shut up, keep paying your $15US every month, and don't talk smack.
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species2143
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Posted - 2010.04.23 07:04:00 -
[1215]
Originally by: Soroksorok
Sorry, mate, but it seems you're the one who should stop and think for a moment. Take a closer look at the killmail. The glorious russian bot killed a curse, right?
Dunno since I wasn't there, where you? Has the pilot in question spoken up?
Those would be facts... but until then this remains purely speculation. See what I mean? Signature removed not EVE related - Adida |
dronesupport
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Posted - 2010.04.23 07:07:00 -
[1216]
Originally by: Lady Spank
I like how you imply macro ratting isn't cheating.
The amount of ratting cloak ravens/golems I encounter down in Curse/Stain is incredible. Most of these appear to be Russian characters. I'm not implying anything here, just working off what I have seen in game.
Considering these macros tend to be performing the same actions, someone dedicated to killing them is going to eventually figure out consistent techniques for doing so.
Y-4 and nearest systems - Burn Eden's and BE pets ravens 37S and nearest - Bricks 42-, T-8 - just characters from NPC corps, noone know who they are
Please continue to call them russians - its so funny ^^)
Originally by: Amberlamps MonkeySphere, I will now look up to him and follow in his footsteps for when I want to get rid or **** off some russians.
Originally by: Zofran Don't worry, my Russian friends; I made you a nice poster that you can hang behind your desk while you work hard, ratting. Hunt me some ~exploiting~ sons of *****es.
Damn this community is just the cradle of racism. Its typical for Europe and US, i guess.
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dumpertt
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Posted - 2010.04.23 07:08:00 -
[1217]
Originally by: species2143
@ dumpertt:
You really should stop and think for a few moments before posting the first thing that comes to mind.
Your links prove absolutely NOTHING, in fact they show that the tengu really did have a ratting setup easely usable for a bot. Whether or not the pilot was using a macro or not is impossible to determine just by looking at the killmail. Therefore any reasoning or points you base on these assumptions are flawed.
someone here really should think for a moment - how could a bot kill an extra-class pvper's curse? did you see a link?
Quote:
In addition I have to comment that the terms with which you wanted to do the testing of the "technique" with raivi where vaguely outlined and not really constructive. The fact that the exploit has been proven does not necessarily connect it with monkey, therefore the connection is purely speculation. The way you where laying out the demonstration would have been a lose-lose situation for raivi. Either he would have failed to catch you because you didn't behave like a bot thus you'd claim victory and still have proven nothing, or he would had caught you and you could still claim he's using the exploit since he won't explain what he did. The end result would have been... nothing.
not exactly. if he can recreate a situation described in 1st post - i really will be convinced monkey is not a magician - and i will do my best to persuade others . right now i'm pretty sure monkey is a magic monkey. and once again: yes, neither winning streak nor timeline proves monkey is a cheater - there still is a chance he could win the lottery 1000 times in a row.
and still - "no local" exploit exists and should be fixed.
Quote:
What disturbs me is the fact that raivi is one of the few posters from PL that have actually attempted to give some content to this thread rather than the usual trolling and bovine-extrement posts by indicating the unconfirmed existence of ways to acchieve similar results without circumventing the game mechanics. Instead of being welcomed open-arms he is instead greeted with spite and accusations related to him being biased etc.
Therefore Raivi I will gladly take your invitation for the demostrations on TQ of your techniques, with decently fitted BS's on my side if you are still up for it. The location and time to be arranged, and with the following conditions:
1. A trusted third party acceptable by both parties will be informed in full detail of the techniques used. This is the only way that I have to be certain that what you say is true without you having to explain your techniques thus loosing the advantage. It's not that I don't trust your word... I simply don't trust anyone I don't know on their word.
2. I will behave like a bot in 3 scenarios to be defined more in detail before we begin the demonstration.
3. Whatever kills and loot you get is yours... I'll probably trow some faction loot on the ships just to make it worth while and give further incentive to kill me.
4. All information that could lead to revealing the legit techniques adopted will be omitted from public unless you chose otherwise.
5. ???
6. Profit!
Does this roughly outlined scenario sound acceptable to you?
i'm fine with it. actually i don't care about his super-duper technique - if it exists, it still useless against player. so it is enough if there will be witness that he logged off - and not using "no-local" exploit, there's no need in details at all.
i have to go now, but i really want this "3-4min at worst case scenario" test done and frapsed. hope it will, heh.
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Gatsukama
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Posted - 2010.04.23 07:09:00 -
[1218]
Originally by: Ranka Mei
Originally by: rororor just run a locater agent on him and see if he really is in a wormhole.
You guys are stitch! The Wizard of 0.0 goes into a WH sans probe launcher, like a total noob? Uh-huh. And, naturally, none of his Pandemic Legion chums is willing to guide their hero out, right? That's the official cover-up story for why he suddenly can't do his magic kills any more, no? Who in your corp does the PR? Hi-larious!
Oh, and sync your story a bit amongst yourselves, for that already scaringly thin suspension of disbelief, cuz I just had another of you detractors tell me Monkeyboy already got out this morning. A little consistency goes a long way.
I was curious enough to actually do a locator agent search for The Monkeysphere. Do you want to know where he is (or was at 06:33 Eve time)? http://imgur.com/eyLch.png
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dumpertt
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Posted - 2010.04.23 07:14:00 -
[1219]
afaik there are wh mach can't leave until the big enough hole opened. still - that's very... comfortable. just another coincedence.
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar Vahrokh Consulting
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Posted - 2010.04.23 07:15:00 -
[1220]
Anyone noticed that - contrary to the custom - this thread has been censored without any CCP tag?
This proves I was right saying CCP are looking at how it develops without officially intervening.
Proof:
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1304476&page=36#1053
post 1053 corresponds to
http://www.eve-search.com/thread/1304476/page/36#1066
post 1066
There are 13 posts that just went into thin air.
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FYI, actually all of what these folks did is illegal, as per the Terms of Service (relevant parts highlighted):
21) You will not attempt to decipher, hack into or interfere with any transmissions to or from the EVE Online servers, nor will you try to create or use any third party add-ons, extras or tools for the game.
23) You may not exploit any bug in EVE Online to gain an unfair advantage over other players. You may not communicate the existence of any exploitable bug to others directly or through a public forum. Bugs should be reported through the bug reporting tool on our website.
Even asking folks to reproduce and publish the exploit is, strictly spoken, against the rules:
29) You will not encourage others to break these rules or any rules set forth in relation to EVE OnlineÆs game service or web site.
I hope CCP shows some common-sense leniency towards those who helped bring this exploit to light, though.
CCP should not show exceptions or leniency. They wrote clear rules. Leniency would have been wise if they did not blackmail CCP with their "FIX NOW OR ELSE", did not immediately go for the pitchforks, posted movies in public (and not to CCP), and generally stated that CCP otherwise would do nothing.
The "they would not do anything" excuse is the same the self appointed justicars use to kill random people that they decreed as guilty. This makes them popular ("finally someone that does something!") but does not make them less criminals and due to be jailed.
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Originally by: Jane Vherokior --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Anyone who's been around for a while knows this stuff is ignored by CCP, regardless of complaints from PAYING subscribers. Just shut up, keep paying your $15US every month, and don't talk smack. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Now we're finally moving down the rabbit hole and starting to see a larger problem (although I can't aggree completely with your statement).
It's not a problem. CCP have their ways, very known ways and their rules. If they are so bad and wrong, then the hurt people should consider finding another MMO with a company that OH-SO-CARES. Not to promote themselves to justicars of the night and break the EULA.
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romek mablung
Caldari OWS Research and Development
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Posted - 2010.04.23 07:19:00 -
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<Nostradamus mode on> Storm is coming!<Nostradamus mode off>
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dumpertt
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Posted - 2010.04.23 07:22:00 -
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Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha
rage
is it next to denial stage?
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romek mablung
Caldari OWS Research and Development
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Posted - 2010.04.23 07:28:00 -
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If id be superhacker in a group digging windows,and found supposed backdoor in it,what is suspected for years-Id go public asap,instead of trying to blackmail microsoft or anything.There is a reason chinese refused to use windows in any of their goverment-military systems....
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Bendit
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Posted - 2010.04.23 07:28:00 -
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Originally by: Raivi
Originally by: Bendit
Originally by: Raivi Damage control overload
Unsubstantiated rage from an obvious macroer.
U mad?
Are u mad??
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Pbs
Pumpkin Scissors DarkSide.
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Posted - 2010.04.23 07:40:00 -
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Edited by: Pbs on 23/04/2010 07:40:09
Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha Edited by: Vaerah Vahrokha on 23/04/2010 07:18:26 Anyone noticed that - contrary to the custom - this thread has been censored without any CCP tag?
This is obvious. CCP can not fix this exploit instantly, and can't fix it at all - without adding a lot of new lags in game. So they will keep silence as long as possible, to prevent panic.
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romek mablung
Caldari OWS Research and Development
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Posted - 2010.04.23 07:41:00 -
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Are u mad?...lolz,THAT is a good question in internet spaceship gaming forum.My wife would say definitely yes,we all are mad.Why i have suspicion most wives would join the cause.........?
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Disko sue
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Posted - 2010.04.23 07:54:00 -
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Originally by: dronesupport
Originally by: Zofran Don't worry, my Russian friends; stuff....
Damn this community is just the cradle of racism. Its typical for Europe and US, i guess.
It would be racism if black would offend white, ohwait it prolly wouldnt, it works only when white offend black/assian. Anyway "russian" isnt RACE , or you admit that they evolved during soviet union and got two livers ?
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Huhuhuhuhuhuh
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Posted - 2010.04.23 07:58:00 -
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I think this should be brought to epic thread. How to kill a bot (of certain design) without cheats. Copied from eve-search. 1. Jump into system with bot, warp to belt, log off immediatly. 2. Bot warps to safe spot. 3. Bot doesnt log off mid-warp, at SS it checks local, sees its clear and (that's flaw of this bot) instead of logging off/waiting cloaked - warps to the random belt. 4. We log on and if we are lucky we are meeting him at our belt, if we are unlucky we are logging off and repeat the process from log off phase. But this method is rather unreliable, for the system with many belts it can take a couple of hours tossing a coin, so the bot finally warps to us and we kill it. I dont know if flaw in the bot is fixed or not, i hope its not, so we can run ravageddon on weekend.
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romek mablung
Caldari OWS Research and Development
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Posted - 2010.04.23 07:58:00 -
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Dude,you cant survive in Russia without 2 livers!All that cheap vodka.....
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Elyseum
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Posted - 2010.04.23 08:20:00 -
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Originally by: Stygian Knight I love this thread.
So many hurt faces help my work runs faster
having the runs at work sucks dude. hope you feel better.
so what have we learned today ? PL are cheating f####ts. no ! this is not new news.
we found that out back during the alliance tourney when they partnered with GHSC (oh wait, its not a partnership...its just a straight alt corp of PL)
BATTLE BADGER is SOUND STRATEGY guyz I swearzitstrue.
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species2143
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Posted - 2010.04.23 08:20:00 -
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Originally by: species2143
I am sad to say this, but that's actually old news. Here's a link (I will not paste the text myself) to an angry botter/exploiter trying to blackmail CCP. The interesting parts you can read for yourself... Pirate Bay Link Removed. Zymurgist[/url]
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Noah Emn
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Posted - 2010.04.23 08:23:00 -
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Originally by: Disko sue Anyway "russian" isnt RACE , or you admit that they evolved during soviet union and got two livers ?
Ok page 41 and this thread still delivers lulz.
1. thanks to uhuhuh, he has made the game cleaner
2. http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=6363592 the botter could have returned to the pc during the fight. Still.... I have to agree with the 'another coincidence' guy.
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Chibi Chi
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Posted - 2010.04.23 08:31:00 -
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When CCP will ban all the PL members?
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar Vahrokh Consulting
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Posted - 2010.04.23 08:33:00 -
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is it next to denial stage?
Denial of what?
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This is obvious. CCP can not fix this exploit instantly, and can't fix it at all - without adding a lot of new lags in game. So they will keep silence as long as possible, to prevent panic.
It's obvious but unlike others I prefer to bring in proofs that are directly related to the culprit and not by interested inference.
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species2143
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Posted - 2010.04.23 08:37:00 -
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Originally by: Noah Emn
Originally by: Disko sue Anyway "russian" isnt RACE , or you admit that they evolved during soviet union and got two livers ?
Ok page 41 and this thread still delivers lulz.
1. thanks to uhuhuh, he has made the game cleaner
2. http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=6363592 the botter could have returned to the pc during the fight. Still.... I have to agree with the 'another coincidence' guy.
So the botter might have come back to the PC, fought and killed the curse, then warped the pod off to a safe went afk (or logging off) again allowing monkey to pod him 5 minutes later? The more I look at this one the more it looks like a bot, and monkey simply sucks a triple boxing or god knows what else happened...
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Razin
The xDEATHx Squadron Legion of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2010.04.23 08:44:00 -
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Originally by: Raivi
That's already been explained multiple times in this thread and can also be deduced with a locator agent. It's not provable beyond a shadow of a doubt,
Indeed. The Monkeysphere could have jumped into a WH system for the duration to have plausible deniability. See how that works? ...
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Riddlock
Minmatar Destructive Influence IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.04.23 08:46:00 -
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ban pl tbh !
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romek mablung
Caldari OWS Research and Development
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Posted - 2010.04.23 08:51:00 -
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Nobody will be banned,i think.just take form those Angry Fat Internet Game Kidz I-Win Buttonz,and everybody will be happy!
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Chibi Chi
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Posted - 2010.04.23 09:03:00 -
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I will cancel my game Subscribtion if PL members will not be banned
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Boomershoot
Caldari Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2010.04.23 09:03:00 -
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CLUSTER DRAMABOMB
TAKE COVER
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romek mablung
Caldari OWS Research and Development
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Posted - 2010.04.23 09:06:00 -
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Edited by: romek mablung on 23/04/2010 09:05:56 Internet drama is so drama...
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Riksha San
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Posted - 2010.04.23 09:09:00 -
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Originally by: Chibi Chi I will cancel my game Subscribtion if PL members will not be banned
+1 wait till this sht is over.
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qbIdp
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Posted - 2010.04.23 09:13:00 -
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Originally by: Riksha San
Originally by: Chibi Chi I will cancel my game Subscribtion if PL members will not be banned
+1 wait till this sht is over.
+1 we need to do somthing with that cheaters
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Noah Emn
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Posted - 2010.04.23 09:21:00 -
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Originally by: species2143 So the botter might have come back to the PC, fought and killed the curse, then warped the pod off to a safe went afk (or logging off) again allowing monkey to pod him 5 minutes later? The more I look at this one the more it looks like a bot, and monkey simply sucks a triple boxing or god knows what else happened...
As I said, there are many possible explanations, it's just another coincidence. One thing though - either he sucks at triple boxing Xor he catches a botter every 5', choose one
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baltec1
Antares Shipyards Aeternus.
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Posted - 2010.04.23 10:23:00 -
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Originally by: Noah Emn
Originally by: species2143 So the botter might have come back to the PC, fought and killed the curse, then warped the pod off to a safe went afk (or logging off) again allowing monkey to pod him 5 minutes later? The more I look at this one the more it looks like a bot, and monkey simply sucks a triple boxing or god knows what else happened...
As I said, there are many possible explanations, it's just another coincidence. One thing though - either he sucks at triple boxing Xor he catches a botter every 5', choose one
Well they do say one is born every 5 minutes
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Vicomte de'Bragelonne
Gallente Fugitive Biomass
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Posted - 2010.04.23 10:42:00 -
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Originally by: Riddlock ban pl tbh !
PL has not deserved ban. We have only highly suspicious activities of SOME PL players (taking victims reports and youtube videos into account).
but... i want to beleive.
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Ottersmacker
Dust-420
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Posted - 2010.04.23 10:57:00 -
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Edited by: Ottersmacker on 23/04/2010 10:58:54 Early in Monkey's career, a small number of military experts expressed concern about his impact on the competitiveness of the game and the public appeal of 0.0 ratting/plexing. Lol Internets of the NEWS Corporation asked in a column, "Isn't Monkeysphere actually bad for PVP?" (though Internets ultimately concluded that he was not). At first, some pundits feared that Monkey would drive the apparent safety out of no-risk carebearing by making existing techniques obsolete and relegating opponents to simply losing ships each week.
Many pilots in the Drone Regions began to add warp core stabilizers to their spaceships in an effort to slow down specialized hunter-killers like Monkeysphere, a strategy that became known as "Monkey-Proofing". Monkeysphere himself welcomed the change as he believes adding stabs to the ships does not affect his ability to win.
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Xtover
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.04.23 11:09:00 -
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Originally by: qbIdp
Originally by: Riksha San
Originally by: Chibi Chi I will cancel my game Subscribtion if PL members will not be banned
+1 wait till this sht is over.
+1 we need to do somthing with that cheaters
bye
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romek mablung
Caldari OWS Research and Development
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Posted - 2010.04.23 11:13:00 -
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You wish.....Wishmaster dbli-dbli-dbli-dbli-dbli-dblid-dbli-dbli-dbli
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Noah Emn
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Posted - 2010.04.23 11:21:00 -
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Originally by: romek mablung You wish.....Wishmaster dbli-dbli-dbli-dbli-dbli-dblid-dbli-dbli-dbli
Lol love the HAMSTER, A DENTIST, HARD****, STEVEN SEAGULL comment
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Flinx Evenstar
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.04.23 11:24:00 -
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Originally by: Elyseum
so what have we learned today ? PL are cheating f####ts. no ! this is not new news.
we found that out back during the alliance tourney when they partnered with GHSC (oh wait, its not a partnership...its just a straight alt corp of PL)
BATTLE BADGER is SOUND STRATEGY guyz I swearzitstrue.
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Bobbechk
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.04.23 11:28:00 -
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Yo momma so fat shes stuck in J104603 along with Monkeys Mach ________
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Merouk Baas
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.04.23 11:28:00 -
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It's not CCP panic, nor is it that they can't do anything about it. Of course they can.
They aren't answering because they have a policy of not commenting on whatever actions they take related to exploits or banning. We will NOT get "an official CCP comment" ever. The only thing we will get is a line that says:
Some exploits were removed making EVE a better game for all.
in the next set of patch notes. And, to the extent of whatever their logs tell them, CCP will ban whomever they feel needs banning.
The drama and posturing here is highly entertaining, of course, but let's face it, we're not gonna be able to bait them into getting involved in this discussion. They are taking huge pains, on purpose, to avoid giving this thread a blue devpost color bar. That should say something.
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Certero
Hades and Charon funeral parlour
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Posted - 2010.04.23 11:35:00 -
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Originally by: Merouk Baas
Some exploits were removed making EVE a better game for all.
Think you're 100% right! But it will be enough. * EVE-RU vs Cheaters * |
Witchking
Minmatar ElitistOps Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.04.23 11:38:00 -
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This thread is the greatest honeypot.
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Xtover
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.04.23 11:39:00 -
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Originally by: Merouk Baas It's not CCP panic, nor is it that they can't do anything about it. Of course they can.
They aren't answering because they have a policy of not commenting on whatever actions they take related to exploits or banning. We will NOT get "an official CCP comment" ever. The only thing we will get is a line that says:
Some exploits were removed making EVE a better game for all.
in the next set of patch notes. And, to the extent of whatever their logs tell them, CCP will ban whomever they feel needs banning.
The drama and posturing here is highly entertaining, of course, but let's face it, we're not gonna be able to bait them into getting involved in this discussion. They are taking huge pains, on purpose, to avoid giving this thread a blue devpost color bar. That should say something.
Bull****... Because of the PR failure of T20/BPOs they have been VERY open, for example they spoke openly about moongate and exactly what they did and why.
You don't see an answer because they're not like half you ******s, jumping to conclusions and going bat**** insane trying to get an alliance banned over a which hunt.
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Gunnanmon
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2010.04.23 11:45:00 -
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Originally by: Clb http://twitter.com/CCP_Quell/status/12670687041
Originally by: CCP_Quell We're aware of the discussion, but I've not seen a final word from dev yet. I will post when I have solid news.
In response to this.
It's good to see we get a reply, albeit on a homosexual/female....service. Signature locked for discussing moderation. Navigator
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Romale
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.04.23 11:49:00 -
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Originally by: Chibi Chi I will cancel my game Subscribtion if PL members will not be banned
can i have your stuff?
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Xtover
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.04.23 11:59:00 -
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Originally by: Romale
Originally by: Chibi Chi I will cancel my game Subscribtion if PL members will not be banned
can i have your stuff?
what are you going to do with a ratting bot?
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LUKEC
Destructive Influence IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.04.23 11:59:00 -
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Edited by: LUKEC on 23/04/2010 11:59:56 I wonder how Shamis feels to have members using exploits for years in his alliance?
To Cheating Legion straight from Band of Cheaters... Too bad you're irrelevant now, otherwise would be nice to have EVE vs cheaters mkII
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TII Noob
Minmatar Vodka Corp
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Posted - 2010.04.23 12:00:00 -
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who would have thought it was the forum PL forum trolls who have been abusing the exploit xD
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WormSwarm
Gallente Spiegots
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Posted - 2010.04.23 12:01:00 -
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There has been a rumor going around that PL titans can still doomsday all ships on a grid, does anyone have proof of this?
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Xtover
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.04.23 12:06:00 -
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Originally by: LUKEC Edited by: LUKEC on 23/04/2010 11:59:56 I wonder how Shamis feels to have members using exploits for years in his alliance?
To Cheating Legion straight from Band of Cheaters... Too bad you're irrelevant now, otherwise would be nice to have EVE vs cheaters mkII
You're really talking trash about your own alliance? lol.
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TII Noob
Minmatar Vodka Corp
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Posted - 2010.04.23 12:07:00 -
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Originally by: Xtover
Originally by: LUKEC Edited by: LUKEC on 23/04/2010 11:59:56 I wonder how Shamis feels to have members using exploits for years in his alliance?
To Cheating Legion straight from Band of Cheaters... Too bad you're irrelevant now, otherwise would be nice to have EVE vs cheaters mkII
You're really talking trash about your own alliance? lol.
how is that talking bad xD
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War Kitten
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Posted - 2010.04.23 12:11:00 -
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Breaking news!
Pod pilot Monkeysphere, alleged pro-hunter with a long record of 0.0 macro kills, turns out to be a complete noob when it comes to wormhole travel.
On the one hand, he's a skillful master of game mechanics, able to locate and catch macros and live players within seconds of arrival in local. But at the same time this game mechanic pro somehow got himself stuck in a wormhole and can't find a way out according to alliance mates.
In other news, Bernie Madoff denies any wrongdoing and offers up the fact that he has no idea how to work an Excel spreadsheet as proof. He also says Amway gets away with it, so pyramid schemes must be ok.
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Deus Ex'Machina
The-Machine
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Posted - 2010.04.23 12:15:00 -
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Originally by: Pr1ncess Alia clearly the solution here is to remove local.
While that would fix a big chunk of the problem and help with botters, the whole instant-spawn-near-target story/exploit would not be resolved. - Arkanon: EXPLAIN YOURSELF, EVILDOER! Sharkbait: Dude. |
BOEHKOP
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Posted - 2010.04.23 12:23:00 -
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Originally by: War Kitten Pod pilot Monkeysphere, alleged pro-hunter with a long record of 0.0 macro kills, turns out to be a complete noob when it comes to wormhole travel.
Nothing new here.
Pathetic Legion UI do not intended for wormhole travel. It was developed only to hurt innocent ratters Botters.
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Maisonian
Amarr The Green Machine Aeternus.
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Posted - 2010.04.23 12:42:00 -
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The truth is that PL stole the T3 cloak that the Russians were developing and nao they want it back!!!111one!1Eleven Please resize your signature to the maximum allowed of 400 x 120 pixels with a maximum file size of 24000 bytes. Navigator |
Gunnanmon
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2010.04.23 13:00:00 -
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Originally by: Jane Vherokior Anyone who's been around for a while knows this stuff is ignored by CCP, regardless of complaints from PAYING subscribers. Just shut up, keep paying your $15US every month, and don't talk smack.
I agree. Please ban the exploiters, but be sure to keep the eve-ru whiners, we need their macroing. Sorry, I meant we need their $15 a month. Signature locked for discussing moderation. Navigator
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Certero
Hades and Charon funeral parlour
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Posted - 2010.04.23 13:04:00 -
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Originally by: Maisonian The truth is that PL stole the T3 cloak that the Russians were developing and nao they want it back!!!111one!1Eleven
+100
t3 suxx. and just for you we were developing t4 cloak!!! That's why we need it back as soon as possible. If someone who don't understand how t4 cloak operates use it IT WILL BE END OF THIS UNIVERSE!!! Even CCP will not help! * EVE-RU vs Cheaters * |
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Bobbechk
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.04.23 13:11:00 -
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Someone please go probe him outta there, i cant as im masking myself from local by not logging in ________
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ElTimmie
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Posted - 2010.04.23 13:19:00 -
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Ah man I'm so glad these actions are finally brought up to the table
I was happily ratting in my early days in my noobfit Hyperion when I got blasted by Lol Internets & Monkey... As I was keeping my eyes open for local activity i am absolutely 100% sure these guys did not shop up in local up until the point that they agressed me
I petitioned it expaining I had only myself in local but CCP told me the logs did not show anything.. Im going to re-petitioned it now.. Too bad this game is ruined by 13yo cheaters...
2009.04.12 18:56
Victim: ElTimmie Corp: Unitas Priscus Alliance: Die Asteroiden Pluenderer Faction: NONE Destroyed: Hyperion System: DNR-7M Security: 0.0 Damage Taken: 30734
Involved parties:
Name: Sansha's Monster / True Power Damage Done: 13412
Name: The Monkeysphere (laid the final blow) Security: 5.0 Corp: The Illuminati. Alliance: Pandemic Legion Faction: NONE Ship: Arazu Weapon: 250mm Railgun II Damage Done: 12236
Name: lol internets Security: 2.3 Corp: The Illuminati. Alliance: Pandemic Legion Faction: NONE Ship: Curse Weapon: Republic Fleet Warp Disruptor Damage Done: 5086
Destroyed items:
Xray L Mega Modulated Pulse Energy Beam I Multifrequency L Multifrequency L Mega Modulated Energy Beam I 'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher Improved Cloaking Device II Thunderbolt Heavy Missile, Qty: 24 Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Tracking Speed 100MN Afterburner II Large Armor Repairer II Radioisotope EM Hardener I N-Type Thermic Hardener I Capacitor Power Relay I Auxiliary Nano Pump I Capacitor Control Circuit I, Qty: 2 Hammerhead II, Qty: 3 (Drone Bay)
Dropped items:
Tachyon Beam Laser I Small Tractor Beam I Salvager I Tachyon Modulated Energy Beam I Multifrequency L Cap Recharger II Optical Tracking Computer I N-Type Thermic Hardener I N-Type EM Hardener I Sanshas Radio L (Cargo) Thunderbolt Heavy Missile, Qty: 2364 (Cargo) Hammerhead II, Qty: 3 (Drone Bay)
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Arthello
Pilots Of Honour Aeternus.
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Posted - 2010.04.23 13:22:00 -
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CCP isn't stupid. EVE is as of now the ultimate PvP MMO in the universe (yeah seriously). If they allow exploiters to get away with it, it will mark the beginning of the end of this highly competitive game.
Permabans should be in order if the culprits can be found guilty in actively exploiting in my opinion. People that know of a hack/exploit and decide to use it if they think they can get away with it isn't a loss to the community anyway. You do however need solid proof before banning people. Hearsay alone isn't enough.
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Homo Erectus
Evolution IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.04.23 13:26:00 -
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haha pandemic legion ****ing newbies. gotta love dolts who exploit to stat pad on killboards. KILLS = SKILLS 4EVER
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Gunnanmon
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2010.04.23 13:32:00 -
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Originally by: ElTimmie Ah man I'm so glad these actions are finally brought up to the table
I was happily ratting in my early days in my noobfit Hyperion when I got blasted by Lol Internets & Monkey... As I was keeping my eyes open for local activity i am absolutely 100% sure these guys did not shop up in local up until the point that they agressed me
I petitioned it expaining I had only myself in local but CCP told me the logs did not show anything..
Hmm, if their logs showed nothing then, one wonders if they show anything nowadays (relating to new kills, or this one). Signature locked for discussing moderation. Navigator
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El Kazador
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Posted - 2010.04.23 13:44:00 -
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Lolo, Pandemik Legion is just a stoopid noobz :3
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Duncan Ophyr
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Posted - 2010.04.23 13:48:00 -
[1277]
PL damage control attempts are so pathetic by now.
They can't even change tactics now, still mindlessly trolling.
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Alex Under
H A V O C Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.04.23 13:53:00 -
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I find this amusing. Is this Pathetic Legion's way of trying to make themselves feel relevant? Look at all of them trying to do damage control. Can't wait to hear CCP's response on this one. Please resize your signature to the maximum allowed of 400 x 120 pixels with a maximum file size of 24000 bytes. Adida |
j1T4tR4d3AlT
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Posted - 2010.04.23 13:58:00 -
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Originally by: Alex Under Pathetic Legion's
You're in H A V O C.
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Boomershoot
Caldari Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2010.04.23 14:04:00 -
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Originally by: Duncan Ophyr PL damage control attempts are so pathetic by now.
Actually, all i see are Russian ramblings for 35 pages, and any relevant information is lost from page 10.
If there's someone Hull Tanking in the thread i might have missed it in this sea of russian tears.
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thatbloke
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.04.23 14:24:00 -
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Originally by: SuperTight5 Edited by: SuperTight5 on 23/04/2010 04:40:24 First of all, I play more than 5 years and know the rules, especially concerning ratting in 0.0
I was ratting in belt in dead-end system with empty local, my scout was in nearby system at the gate. Suddenly, three negatives from Pandemic Legion appeared in local (wormhole?) and within 2 seconds I hit warp to safe spot. But in the next second 2 ships appeared near me (not warped in, just appeared!) and I got scrambled and popped.
So, how is this possible, to lock a ship at random belt within 3 seconds after entering local? Even login trap would take much more time.
Is it exploit, or it is possible with legitimate tactic?
UPDATE: According to russian forums the bug was reproduced and few screenshots were made:
http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1004/clean.jpg http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1004/russkies_do_it_again.jpg
read from here
UPDATE2: The exploit has been reproduced at test server, using clues from russian forums. The reproduction steps will not be published due to EULA violation.
Video footage has been preformed, displaying the player agressing another player without showing the agressor in local chat. (youtube)
Video showing "invisible" player in noobship jumping into system and warping between gates.
Another demonstration: Part1 and Part2 of the video frapsed by Ellatan (from victim POV)
Silly question because I can't be arsed to read 43 pages of replies, particularly when looking at the content of page 43 it seems to have derailed horribly: Have you filed a bug report?
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Kiniti
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Originally by: thatbloke
Silly question because I can't be arsed to read 43 pages of replies, particularly when looking at the content of page 43 it seems to have derailed horribly: Have you filed a bug report?
Issue 94595
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Caldari Billboard
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Posted - 2010.04.23 14:35:00 -
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I heard that The Monkeysphere is acually a botter himself and this firsthand experience has allowed him to hunt botters this efficently. |
Anope
Gallente The Collective Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.04.23 14:44:00 -
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Ban those involved
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My Postman
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Posted - 2010.04.23 14:46:00 -
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Wow ppl, this thread is epic!
43 pages and no official ccp answer? I somehow knew there would¦nt be one. At least after reading all of those 43 pages (needed me 3 afternoons at work) i figured out a "suitable" solution for everyone.
1) CCP "doomsday" 10 times/day the whole drone regions. Collateral is acceptable. All they get is botters.
2) Repeat that for some days.
3) Nuke WH Jwhatever to "free" Monkeysphere.
4) Repeat till Monkey is in clonestation.
5) Now nuke PL homelands.
6) Repeat
7)Get out the banhammer and: Ban Monkeysphere. Ban Botters equal if russians or not. Ban PL Exploiters.
Finally give Lady Spank a forum ban for her shameless attempt in assembly hall for turning the facts and make a thread about.
This thread delivers. Have a nice weekend.
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Lady Spank
Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta
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Posted - 2010.04.23 14:53:00 -
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Originally by: My Postman Finally give Lady Spank a forum ban for her shameless attempt in assembly hall for turning the facts and make a thread about.
I didn't turn facts. I presented them and ignored the nonsense spouted here. ~_~
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Mad templar
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Posted - 2010.04.23 15:10:00 -
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Originally by: My Postman
43 pages and no official ccp answer? I somehow knew there would¦nt be one. At least after reading all of those 43 pages (needed me 3 afternoons at work) i figured out a "suitable" solution for everyone.
What kind of answer you expect, that CCP admit there is an exploit that can't be fixed with ordinary patch, and next day hundreds of players try to reproduce it on test server? Otherhand,if there is no exploit, this doesn't mean CCP know what mechanics Monkeysphere is using. Their logs show nothing)))
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Chaot1c
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Posted - 2010.04.23 15:13:00 -
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I don't see how proving or not proving the existence of an exploit is a proof of someone using it. The accusations in this thread are from people who have been griefed or have had their friends griefed by this pirate. That can hardly be taken as evidence.
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SetrakDark
DarkCorp Holdings
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Posted - 2010.04.23 15:14:00 -
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Or they're happily collecting 43 pages worth of angry bot-users' names...
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Bad Kroxa
Amarr Russian SOBR SOLAR FLEET
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Posted - 2010.04.23 15:25:00 -
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I wonder! Why did the monkey ceased to kill? I think the answer is obvious! He used the exploit.
PS Elite PvP alliance was just ****!
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Lady Karma
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Posted - 2010.04.23 15:27:00 -
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Originally by: Chaot1c I don't see how proving or not proving the existence of an exploit is a proof of someone using it. The accusations in this thread are from people who have been griefed or have had their friends griefed by this pirate. That can hardly be taken as evidence.
This angry mob of farmers are hoping to convince enough people that he must have used the exploit without providing any proof that he did, so that they can reopen their petitions.
150bil of deadspace loot is quite an incentive.
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Pr1ncess Alia
Caldari Perkone
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Posted - 2010.04.23 15:34:00 -
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Originally by: Bad Kroxa I wonder! Why did the monkey ceased to kill? I think the answer is obvious! He used the exploit.
PS Elite PvP alliance was just ****!
this
i mean, the only thing more embarassing than allegedly using an exploit to kill off macro farmers and pad your killboard
would be to
allegedly use macro farmers to sustain entire alliances that otherwise would not be able to accomplish anything.
you know, after some of that isk is sold under the table anyways. (of course)
allegedly being the operative word here
is a conundrum for ccp. but which makes them look worse?
pvp'r killing macros w/ exploit? or the very fact that macros are still killing the game?
"A game that is significantly nonlinear is sometimes described as being open-ended or a sandbox, and is characterized by there being no "right way" of playing the game." |
Arrs Grazznic
Poena Executive Solutions
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Posted - 2010.04.23 15:39:00 -
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First page!
Oh... wai...
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BTK Rader
The Green Cross DEFI4NT
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Posted - 2010.04.23 15:41:00 -
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Edited by: BTK Rader on 23/04/2010 15:41:14
Originally by: Pr1ncess Alia
is a conundrum for ccp. but which makes them look worse?
pvp'r killing macros w/ exploit? or the very fact that macros are still killing the game?
It is simple If we reduce sentence to:
PL member killing players using exploit
Everyone is happy \o/
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Gunnanmon
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2010.04.23 15:43:00 -
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Originally by: Bad Kroxa I wonder! Why did the monkey ceased to kill? I think the answer is obvious! He used the exploit.
Maybe it was to fuel the macro-whiners whines.
It amuses me that someone using an exploit is a far bigger issue than the hundreds of people complaining that their macro got killed [assuming someone was actually using an exploit].
Then again, banning 1 person is far less of a financial hit than banning the real culprits. Signature locked for discussing moderation. Navigator
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Ranka Mei
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.04.23 15:47:00 -
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Originally by: Maisonian The truth is that PL stole the T3 cloak that the Russians were developing...
Oh man! Wait till the Romulans hear about this! :) -- Gorgeous, delicious, deculture! |
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CCP Wrangler
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Posted - 2010.04.23 15:48:00 -
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We have received the bug reports and gone over the information in this thread and other discussions. We're investigating the issue and we'll post updated information as soon as we can.
Wrangler Senior Community Manager CCP Hf, EVE Online Contact us
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Gunnanmon
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2010.04.23 15:51:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Wrangler We have received the bug reports and gone over the information in this thread and other discussions. We're investigating the issue and we'll post updated information as soon as we can.
Save some time, don't check the logs.
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Bad Kroxa
Amarr Russian SOBR SOLAR FLEET
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Posted - 2010.04.23 15:53:00 -
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Originally by: Pr1ncess Alia
Look at the killboard https://www.pandemic-legion.com/killboard/view_pilot.php?id=The%20Monkeysphere Appetite monkeys grew and he began to kill not only bots. For it appeared button "**** all"! A month later he was killing the first Titan.
No need to switch to trolling ... Not need to associate all the Russian community with macros and bots. Is not true!
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Yakoff
Alcatraz Inc. Tactical Narcotics Team
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Posted - 2010.04.23 15:55:00 -
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Originally by: Ranka Mei
Originally by: Maisonian The truth is that PL stole the T3 cloak that the Russians were developing...
Oh man! Wait till the Romulans hear about this! :)
Just don't tell them about the twinkie. It is a super cloak with a spacial phase inverter which allows me to be at work while still in the game. ___ It deosnt mttaer waht oredr the ltteers in a wrod are, olny taht the frist and lsat leettr be in the rghit pclae. Tihs is bcuseae the huamn mnid deos not raed ervey lteter by istlef. |
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ElTimmie
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Posted - 2010.04.23 16:02:00 -
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It appears lots are thinking that only marco-ers are targetted. Not true! "normal" players are on the kb's too, including myself ;)
And proving it is offourse difficult... I don't have fraps recording my l33t4 moves 24/7
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Ellatan Deruimte
Surreal corp Stain Empire
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Posted - 2010.04.23 16:03:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Wrangler We have received the bug reports and gone over the information in this thread and other discussions. We're investigating the issue and we'll post updated information as soon as we can.
Looking forward to hear from the CCP team. Thank you for your response in this thread and an acknowledgment of the possible problem.
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Inverse Count
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Posted - 2010.04.23 16:03:00 -
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Originally by: Gunnanmon
Originally by: Bad Kroxa I wonder! Why did the monkey ceased to kill? I think the answer is obvious! He used the exploit.
Maybe it was to fuel the macro-whiners whines.
It amuses me that someone using an exploit is a far bigger issue than the hundreds of people complaining that their macro got killed [assuming someone was actually using an exploit].
Then again, banning 1 person is far less of a financial hit than banning the real culprits.
bah. forget macroers and bot stuff. They are off-topic. And was brought here by PL guys to whiteknight this cheating little monkey.
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BuIIseye
Amarr Pax Amarria Corp
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Posted - 2010.04.23 16:04:00 -
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See, you russians wouldn't be targeted by exploits as much if you would talk and practice your english in local rather than spam cyrillics all the time!
He did it because he knew you were less likely to report it. So remember, save your cyrillics for today, save your comrads raven tommorow.
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Riksha San
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Posted - 2010.04.23 16:04:00 -
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Originally by: Gunnanmon
Originally by: CCP Wrangler We have received the bug reports and gone over the information in this thread and other discussions. We're investigating the issue and we'll post updated information as soon as we can.
Save some time, don't check the logs.
o_O
Napalm Death !
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Xtover
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.04.23 16:07:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Wrangler We have received the bug reports and gone over the information in this thread and other discussions. We're investigating the issue and we'll post updated information as soon as we can.
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Xtover
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.04.23 16:08:00 -
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Originally by: Bad Kroxa
No need to switch to trolling ... Not need to associate all the Russian community with macros and bots. Is not true!
Don't worry, they will investigate the entire drone regions anyway.
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Mr Rive
Black Omega Security Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.04.23 16:11:00 -
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The conclusion to this whatever it is will be very interesting i think. I would love to see what CCP do for all the macro ratters who lost ships to this alleged 'exploit'
BTW I think the only person in PL who knows what this thing is is Monkey himself, as he hasn't told any of us about it
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Missy Miner85
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Posted - 2010.04.23 16:12:00 -
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Don't know how these things are done over there, but over here in the civilized world the statements of asdjgj and ifgpkfsg are not considered proof of guilt.
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Blane Xero
Amarr The Firestorm Cartel
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Posted - 2010.04.23 16:13:00 -
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Edited by: Blane Xero on 23/04/2010 16:13:11
Originally by: Mr Rive The conclusion to this whatever it is will be very interesting i think. I would love to see what CCP do for all the macro ratters who lost ships to this alleged 'exploit'
BTW I think the only person in PL who knows what this thing is is Monkey himself, as he hasn't told any of us about it
Lookit dat backpeddling. _____________________________________ Haruhiist since December 2008
Originally by: CCP Fallout :facepalm:
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Imagonnawhupya
Emergence Inc.
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Posted - 2010.04.23 16:15:00 -
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Posting in EPIC THREAD just cause I wanna be a part of it. I have nothing constructive to add.
Originally by: CCP Shadow This thread has been cleansed of bodily fluid references - CCP Shadow
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black seeds
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Posted - 2010.04.23 16:16:00 -
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Originally by: Mr Rive The conclusion to this whatever it is will be very interesting i think. I would love to see what CCP do for all the macro ratters who lost ships to this alleged 'exploit'
BTW I think the only person in PL who knows what this thing is is Monkey himself, as he hasn't told any of us about it
heh, PL trolling just turned into "distancing selves from monkeysphere" ROFL. this thread seriously delivers
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Mr Rive
Black Omega Security Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.04.23 16:16:00 -
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Edited by: Mr Rive on 23/04/2010 16:17:25
Originally by: Blane Xero Edited by: Blane Xero on 23/04/2010 16:13:11
Originally by: Mr Rive The conclusion to this whatever it is will be very interesting i think. I would love to see what CCP do for all the macro ratters who lost ships to this alleged 'exploit'
BTW I think the only person in PL who knows what this thing is is Monkey himself, as he hasn't told any of us about it
Lookit dat backpeddling.
Pandemic Legion has an official DAMAGE CONTROL DEPARTMENT and our official stance on this incident now, is to backpedal furiously while denying all knowledge that Monkey was ever in our alliance, why who is he even, i wouldnt know, hes in some other guys alliance.
Edit: Actually i like monkey he gives me medical advice
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Certero
Hades and Charon funeral parlour
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Posted - 2010.04.23 16:17:00 -
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Originally by: Imagonnawhupya Posting in EPIC THREAD just cause I wanna be a part of it. I have nothing constructive to add.
+1 You are the best man! Much better that hundreds of stupid posts in this thread. * EVE-RU vs Cheaters * |
Kadesh Priestess
Scalding Chill
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Posted - 2010.04.23 16:17:00 -
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We continuing to get reports over multiple possible exploits as server sends client more data than it should have and sometimes depends on client's feedback too much (latter is the reason why subj exploit is possible). I hope ccp will refactor some code to let server grasp exclusive control over multiple matters. If you scheduled some time for that - <3
Otherwise it'll become worse imo, as this exploit stimulated lot of research; and results obviously can bee used for someone's personal profit.
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Certero
Hades and Charon funeral parlour
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Posted - 2010.04.23 16:28:00 -
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Edited by: Certero on 23/04/2010 16:28:14
Originally by: Kadesh Priestess
Otherwise it'll much become worse imo, as this exploit stimulated lot of research; and results obviously can bee used for someone's personal profit.
New Monkey will kill non-russian players with ease? And russians will call them macroers and botters? I like it!!! I'll be waiting for this just to troll in new threads about EU and US botters
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Lady Spank
Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta
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Posted - 2010.04.23 16:30:00 -
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Edited by: Lady Spank on 23/04/2010 16:31:01
Originally by: Mr Rive Edited by: Mr Rive on 23/04/2010 16:17:25
Originally by: Blane Xero Edited by: Blane Xero on 23/04/2010 16:13:11
Originally by: Mr Rive The conclusion to this whatever it is will be very interesting i think. I would love to see what CCP do for all the macro ratters who lost ships to this alleged 'exploit'
BTW I think the only person in PL who knows what this thing is is Monkey himself, as he hasn't told any of us about it
Lookit dat backpeddling.
Pandemic Legion has an official DAMAGE CONTROL DEPARTMENT and our official stance on this incident now, is to backpedal furiously while denying all knowledge that Monkey was ever in our alliance, why who is he even, i wouldnt know, hes in some other guys alliance.
Edit: Actually i like monkey he gives me medical advice
I guess he masked himself from your alliance chat channel. ~_~
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Arec Bardwin
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Posted - 2010.04.23 16:31:00 -
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THIS JUST IN:
A fairly reliable source confirms that CCP has hired a special consultant to help investigate the logs.
http://i42.tinypic.com/9pwfw5.jpg
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Z800XV
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Posted - 2010.04.23 16:37:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Wrangler We have received the bug reports and gone over the information in this thread and other discussions. We're investigating the issue and we'll post updated information as soon as we can.
the server work fine and logs are ok, no need to panic I think. ))))
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Chingyz
Caldari untaught
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Posted - 2010.04.23 16:41:00 -
[1320]
Originally by: Arec Bardwin THIS JUST IN:
A fairly reliable source confirms that CCP has hired a special consultant to help investigate the logs.
http://i42.tinypic.com/9pwfw5.jpg
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Now this is humour
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Bad Kroxa
Amarr Russian SOBR SOLAR FLEET
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Posted - 2010.04.23 16:42:00 -
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Originally by: Z800XV the server work fine and logs are ok, no need to panic I think. ))))
It is a typical response.
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LUKEC
Destructive Influence IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.04.23 16:43:00 -
[1322]
Originally by: Mr Rive The conclusion to this whatever it is will be very interesting i think. I would love to see what CCP do for all the macro ratters who lost ships to this alleged 'exploit'
BTW I think the only person in PL who knows what this thing is is Monkey himself, as he hasn't told any of us about it
I'm pretty sure you have better evidence against macro ratters than we do against monkeysphere and awox. I'd like to see some of it, please.
PS. yes I hate macro ratters, but I hate local chat even more.
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BearCare
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.04.23 16:51:00 -
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Latest leak from PL high council about this issue:
ShamisOrzoz> funny story, i was in a hotel last night and decided to whack off so I could get to sleep more easily since I had an interview this morning. so I whacked off in the shower using some hampton in moisturizing cream or something. And it turns out that I'm allergic to that **** and my **** swell And now for something completely different! It's BearCare's Flying Signature. |
Orephia
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Posted - 2010.04.23 16:52:00 -
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Originally by: Certero I'll be waiting for this just to troll in new threads about EU and US botters
So far I have great appreciation for the Russian EvE community's contribution in bringing this issue to light, and respect for their overall self-moderation in response to PL's racist trolling to obscure the real progress that has been made. No need to look forward to sinking below their level. Don't help them to derail the issue, this is not about macros & bots, it's about exploiting the client, and needs to stay focused on that.
We have the no local part, what about the insta scan & warp to victim part. Please let the investigation continue without hugging the doodoo strewn about by the monkeyshine crew. |
Nata Asphyxia
Shadow Kingdom Ultima Rati0
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Posted - 2010.04.23 16:53:00 -
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Edited by: Nata Asphyxia on 23/04/2010 16:54:38
Originally by: Gunnanmon
Originally by: CCP Wrangler We have received the bug reports and gone over the information in this thread and other discussions. We're investigating the issue and we'll post updated information as soon as we can.
Save some time, don't check the logs.
o_O
Best post in this thread imo.
Btw selling space on 2nd page, 100m/week per post.
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Certero
Hades and Charon funeral parlour
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Posted - 2010.04.23 16:54:00 -
[1326]
Originally by: Orephia
So far I have great appreciation for the Russian EvE community's contribution in bringing this issue to light, and respect for their overall self-moderation in response to PL's racist trolling to obscure the real progress that has been made.
Thanks! And it was a joke in my post - not interesting to waste my time for trolling. * EVE-RU vs Cheaters * |
Gunnanmon
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2010.04.23 16:56:00 -
[1327]
Originally by: Nata Asphyxia Edited by: Nata Asphyxia on 23/04/2010 16:54:38
Originally by: Gunnanmon
Originally by: CCP Wrangler We have received the bug reports and gone over the information in this thread and other discussions. We're investigating the issue and we'll post updated information as soon as we can.
Save some time, don't check the logs.
o_O
Best post in this thread imo.
Btw selling space on 2nd page, 100m/week per post.
Why thank you, I feel special. Go me! \o/
And I'll sell advertisements in the first reply to this topic. POA. Signature locked for discussing moderation. Navigator
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MatrixSkye Mk2
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.04.23 17:03:00 -
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Originally by: Raivi
Originally by: Bendit
Originally by: Raivi Damage control overload
Unsubstantiated rage from an obvious macroer.
U mad?
Raivi, he wasn't "raging". He was giving his own testimonial, and quite eloquently as well. And your respons is he's a macroer? .
You've done nothing but cover for the cheaters from your alliance. CCP is on it now. So save your insults and damage control for when your buddies get banned. There's nothing for us to prove to you. Keep trolling though. Pandemic Legion has so far done a great job at that.
Grief a PVP'er. Run a mission today! |
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CCP Manifest
C C P
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Posted - 2010.04.23 17:10:00 -
[1329]
Edited by: CCP Manifest on 23/04/2010 17:09:59
Originally by: Chingyz
Originally by: Arec Bardwin THIS JUST IN:
A fairly reliable source confirms that CCP has hired a special consultant to help investigate the logs.
http://i42.tinypic.com/9pwfw5.jpg
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Now this is humour
That is humor. --CCP Manifest-- |
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Aja Jinn
Gallente Tribal Liberation Force
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Posted - 2010.04.23 17:11:00 -
[1330]
1.Send out cov-ops (does not show up in local) to sit on the macro ratters.
2.Killer team (does not show up in local) jumps from system to system to kill targets.
3.Profit
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Jobby
Minmatar Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2010.04.23 17:14:00 -
[1331]
Originally by: Aja Jinn 1.Send out cov-ops (does not show up in local) to sit on the macro ratters.
2.Killer team (does not show up in local) jumps from system to system to kill targets.
3.Profit
-.-
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Xtover
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.04.23 17:14:00 -
[1332]
Originally by: Orephia
Originally by: Certero I'll be waiting for this just to troll in new threads about EU and US botters
So far I have great appreciation for the Russian EvE community's contribution in bringing this issue to light, and respect for their overall self-moderation in response to PL's racist trolling to obscure the real progress that has been made. No need to look forward to sinking below their level. Don't help them to derail the issue, this is not about macros & bots, it's about exploiting the client, and needs to stay focused on that.
We have the no local part, what about the insta scan & warp to victim part. Please let the investigation continue without hugging the doodoo strewn about by the monkeyshine crew.
so Russian is a race of people? You're caucasian.
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Vicomte de'Bragelonne
Gallente Fugitive Biomass
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Posted - 2010.04.23 17:18:00 -
[1333]
Edited by: Vicomte de''Bragelonne on 23/04/2010 17:18:05
Originally by: Aja Jinn 1.Send out cov-ops (does not show up in local) to sit on the macro ratters.
2.Killer team (does not show up in local) jumps from system to system to kill targets.
3.Profit
This certainly reminds me of some monke... OH WAIT
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Flying ZombieJesus
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Posted - 2010.04.23 17:20:00 -
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Just remove local in 0.0 so he no longer has to exploit
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Orephia
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Posted - 2010.04.23 17:22:00 -
[1335]
Originally by: Aja Jinn 1.Send out cov-ops (does not show up in local) to sit on the macro ratters. 2.Killer team (does not show up in local) jumps from system to system to kill targets. 3.Profit
I agree, that's been clear from the start, but there has also been raised the 'teleport' question of crossing too many systems in too short of time. Those that have just recently figured out the pf are still coming to an understanding of what else can be done; lol internets has apparently had a couple years to play with it |
MisterAl tt1
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Posted - 2010.04.23 17:24:00 -
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Glad to see some official answer at last.
Looks to me, I was right - presence in local chat is not logged, untill you say something, thus "the logs are clear" about monkey.
I wonder what will CCP do with such an abuser, but with no logs on the matter?
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Gunnanmon
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2010.04.23 17:29:00 -
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Originally by: MisterAl tt1 Glad to see some official answer at last.
Looks to me, I was right - presence in local chat is not logged, untill you say something,
That would be a bizarre situation. Your client knows others are there regardless of whether or not they're speaking in local. Their client knows you're there (under normal circumstances, of course), yet this info isn't logged anywhere? Very strange. Signature locked for discussing moderation. Navigator
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Certero
Hades and Charon funeral parlour
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Posted - 2010.04.23 17:36:00 -
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Originally by: Gunnanmon Very strange.
Just try to think that way: your client knows who is in system, other clients know who is in system too and all this info is in logs. But is you in local chat channel? Maybe. This informations isn't in logs bcos programmer thought that "is in system" = "is in local chat channel"... that's the problem we think. * EVE-RU vs Cheaters * |
romek mablung
Caldari OWS Research and Development
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Posted - 2010.04.23 17:38:00 -
[1339]
Edited by: romek mablung on 23/04/2010 17:40:37 Assumingly too much decisions (to show object in chat-to show not [WH alike],to allow to jump to object,or not [scanned to 100% or no],who knews,what else,was left to decide on clientside.Hence possibilities to abuse ,via doing something monekymagic to client...or packets it sends to server....something in that line. I read,that maybe packets were extracted fron client pc memory,or packets changed (wh alike chat forced to go server-side.....).No idea,i struggle basic DOS commands myself.
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Lady Karma
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Posted - 2010.04.23 17:40:00 -
[1340]
Originally by: MisterAl tt1
I wonder what will CCP do with such an abuser, but with no logs on the matter?
They probably ask a pitch fork wielding mob who all had already made their minds up on the matter.
I am glad I live in a country where we require something called proof before we pass sentence.
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keymaker
Xenophon Core
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Posted - 2010.04.23 17:46:00 -
[1341]
Macroer's using expensive fitted ships to RMT...I wonder what Monkeysphere did with all that lovely isk he got from killing these ships...RMT maybe ?.
I hope his wallet matches up , he must be sitting on a few hundred billion isk.
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Sply Smug'lor
Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2010.04.23 17:47:00 -
[1342]
Originally by: Lady Karma
Originally by: MisterAl tt1
I wonder what will CCP do with such an abuser, but with no logs on the matter?
They probably ask a pitch fork wielding mob who all had already made their minds up on the matter.
I am glad I live in a country where we require something called proof before we pass sentence.
you live in a country where an accussed can be indicted and convicted on solely circumstantial evidence
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Raivi
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.04.23 17:54:00 -
[1343]
I find it very funny that the people from eve-ru seem to think that I can't read what they say about me if they do it in Russian on a different website. The fact that whatever phrase they're using in Russian get translated as "the pretty boy of the square" by google makes me laugh as well. Sorry my soviet brothers, but I'm not going to get baited by a plan you hatch on a public forum that you expect me not to read.
Glad to see that CCP is on this. Hopefully they'll have a hotfix soon. If any devs or GMs involved in the investigation are interested in a detailed explanation on how to do the logon trap right just give me a shout and I'll cooperate fully. ---------------------------------------------
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romek mablung
Caldari OWS Research and Development
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Posted - 2010.04.23 17:58:00 -
[1344]
Edited by: romek mablung on 23/04/2010 17:58:39
Originally by: Raivi I find it very funny that the people from eve-ru seem to think that I can't read what they say about me if they do it in Russian on a different website. The fact that whatever phrase they're using in Russian get translated as "the pretty boy of the square" by google makes me laugh as well. Sorry my soviet brothers, but I'm not going to get baited by a plan you hatch on a public forum that you expect me not to read.
Glad to see that CCP is on this. Hopefully they'll have a hotfix soon. If any devs or GMs involved in the investigation are interested in a detailed explanation on how to do the logon trap right just give me a shout and I'll cooperate fully.
Obvious Mudam÷lakas is obvious!
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Sanantem
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Posted - 2010.04.23 18:00:00 -
[1345]
Edited by: Sanantem on 23/04/2010 18:07:18 Edited by: Sanantem on 23/04/2010 18:00:59 this is really magic video. from russian with love.. mmm.. im shocked
Part 1
Part 2
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Zarstrax
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Posted - 2010.04.23 18:06:00 -
[1346]
Originally by: Raivi If any devs or GMs involved in the investigation are interested in a detailed explanation on how to do the logon trap right just give me a shout and I'll cooperate fully.
Go test your logon trap, it won't work, I doubt you will catch a single macro and certainly not consecutive kills in a small amount of time. I have tried to catch macros with logoffskies with 2 accounts. Guess nobody told you that they usually safe up for about 20mins+ (and the time they stay safed changes every time so you can't time it perfectly) and don't go back to the same belt or the top belt.
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romek mablung
Caldari OWS Research and Development
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Posted - 2010.04.23 18:16:00 -
[1347]
Edited by: romek mablung on 23/04/2010 18:19:48 In this topic was link to botsite forum,(evesearch),where "buyers asked help from customers care"...some of bots apparently recheck local,while warping to safe.When bothunter logoff asap,after entering local,and-warped to belt,there is SLIM chanche,that bots warp back to that very belt asap(small chanche in multibelt systems indeed).Apparently bots had fail in script,and instead of waiting 20 min,after recheck of local-bots returned to random belt.Thus,if countered via login back,bothunter could hope,that bot is in SAME belt.Cant be used for Monkeyalike killspree though
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Orephia
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Posted - 2010.04.23 18:18:00 -
[1348]
Edited by: Orephia on 23/04/2010 18:22:47
Originally by: Zarstrax certainly not consecutive kills in a small amount of time.
Without needing to add a fancy teleport feature to this bug, if he can join remote locals invisibly, he can find subsequent targets several systems away without needing the time necessary to jump through systems hunting. Send the cloaky spotter directly to the next victim 3 jumps away and the killships follow after they finish up. Saves alot of time, & can be covered as 'lucky'
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Nuts Nougat
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.04.23 18:30:00 -
[1349]
Mr. Monkeysphere has achieved another kill today: Linkage
Reliable sources are reporting he wasn't seen in local. Now I, too, am convinced he is indeed exploiting. ---
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romek mablung
Caldari OWS Research and Development
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Posted - 2010.04.23 18:33:00 -
[1350]
Edited by: romek mablung on 23/04/2010 18:33:36
Originally by: Nuts Nougat Mr. Monkeysphere has achieved another kill today: Linkage
Reliable sources are reporting he wasn't seen in local. Now I, too, am convinced he is indeed exploiting.
Obvious tampered fake killboard is obvious...region sekret?Learn to type,nublets.Maybe he killed some in WH he is stuck (me say keep him there).
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Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2010.04.23 18:38:00 -
[1351]
Originally by: romek mablung Edited by: romek mablung on 23/04/2010 18:33:36
Originally by: Nuts Nougat Mr. Monkeysphere has achieved another kill today: Linkage
Reliable sources are reporting he wasn't seen in local. Now I, too, am convinced he is indeed exploiting.
Obvious tampered fake killboard is obvious...region sekret?Learn to type,nublets.Maybe he killed some in WH he is stuck (me say keep him there).
/facepalm
Originally by: CCP Zymurgist Get off the forums and go kill someone!
Originally by: Amarr Supremacist Yeah, it(Jaguar) almost has cruiser level tank and gank!
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Xtover
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.04.23 18:38:00 -
[1352]
Originally by: romek mablung .Maybe he killed some in WH he is stuck (me say keep him there).
Wow, you figured that out all by yourself?
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Tonto Auri
Vhero' Multipurpose Corp
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Posted - 2010.04.23 18:40:00 -
[1353]
Originally by: Orephia
Originally by: Zarstrax certainly not consecutive kills in a small amount of time.
Without needing to add a fancy teleport feature to this bug, if he can join remote locals invisibly, he can find subsequent targets several systems away without needing the time necessary to jump through systems hunting. Send the cloaky spotter directly to the next victim 3 jumps away and the killships follow after they finish up. Saves alot of time, & can be covered as 'lucky'
edit to repair mangled quote...
Yeah, the problem is "directly". As in, entering system directly at the grid of a victim, different from the gate one. -- Thanks CCP for cu |
Liranan
H A V O C Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.04.23 18:41:00 -
[1354]
Pathetic Legion's Damage Control burned out due to overheating?
This exploit has been known for quite some time now, but not everyone knew about it. Glad it's finally come to everyone's attention. Farjung is my God
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5torm5
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Posted - 2010.04.23 18:42:00 -
[1355]
edit to repair mangled quote...
Yeah, the problem is "directly". As in, entering system directly at the grid of a victim, different from the gate one.
that is one leet post dude
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Lady Karma
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Posted - 2010.04.23 18:44:00 -
[1356]
Edited by: Lady Karma on 23/04/2010 18:44:17
Originally by: Liranan Pathetic Legion's Damage Control burned out due to overheating?
This exploit has been known for quite some time now, but not everyone knew about it. Glad it's finally come to everyone's attention.
Quoting this before you edit it.
When were you thinking about informing CCP, or was this something you were just hoping to use yourself?
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romek mablung
Caldari OWS Research and Development
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Posted - 2010.04.23 18:51:00 -
[1357]
Originally by: Xtover
Originally by: romek mablung .Maybe he killed some in WH he is stuck (me say keep him there).
Wow, you figured that out all by yourself?
nope im just trollin...
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Taua Roqa
Minmatar Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2010.04.23 18:54:00 -
[1358]
you know what i hate about russians?
they have odd smilies ))))
argh!!
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Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2010.04.23 18:56:00 -
[1359]
Originally by: Taua Roqa you know what i hate about russians?
they have odd smilies ))))
argh!!
Its a language thing. :) is spelled )))) in russian is all.
Originally by: CCP Zymurgist Get off the forums and go kill someone!
Originally by: Amarr Supremacist Yeah, it(Jaguar) almost has cruiser level tank and gank!
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MatrixSkye Mk2
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.04.23 18:57:00 -
[1360]
Originally by: Lady Karma I am glad I live in a country where we require something called proof before we pass sentence.
Originally by: Lady Karma This angry mob of farmers are hoping to convince
I take it you're not one of those that needs proof before passing judgement.
Grief a PVP'er. Run a mission today! |
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Gunnanmon
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2010.04.23 19:02:00 -
[1361]
Edited by: Gunnanmon on 23/04/2010 19:01:42
Originally by: romek mablung Edited by: romek mablung on 23/04/2010 18:33:36
Originally by: Nuts Nougat Mr. Monkeysphere has achieved another kill today: Linkage
Reliable sources are reporting he wasn't seen in local. Now I, too, am convinced he is indeed exploiting.
Obvious tampered fake killboard is obvious...region sekret?Learn to type,nublets.Maybe he killed some in WH he is stuck (me say keep him there).
..coupled with a talk to a locator agent. He's still in the WH. Signature locked for discussing moderation. Navigator
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Lady Karma
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Posted - 2010.04.23 19:04:00 -
[1362]
Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2
I take it you're not one of those that needs proof before passing judgement.
Farmers are people that farm rats, I don't think anyone is disputing the fact that Monkey targets them. Maybe you read into my statement the word "macro" Keep your jump to conclusion mat to yourself thank you.
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MatrixSkye Mk2
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.04.23 19:06:00 -
[1363]
Originally by: Lady Karma
Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2
I take it you're not one of those that needs proof before passing judgement.
Farmers are people that farm rats, I don't think anyone is disputing the fact that Monkey targets them. Maybe you read into my statement the word "macro" Keep your jump to conclusion mat to yourself thank you.
OIC. By farmer you meant anyone that kills a rat. So, it was just you referring to EVERYONE. Gotcha .
Grief a PVP'er. Run a mission today! |
romek mablung
Caldari OWS Research and Development
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Posted - 2010.04.23 19:09:00 -
[1364]
If he keeped strictly to bot farmers-community continued to stay unaware of him.Bots dont complain to cops.Yes?No?.....
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Raivi
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.04.23 19:20:00 -
[1365]
Originally by: romek mablung If he keeped strictly to bot farmers-community continued to stay unaware of him.Bots dont complain to cops.Yes?No?.....
Bot farmers complain on eve-ru and then their friends complain here. It's a public forum, so you're not fooling anybody. ---------------------------------------------
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romek mablung
Caldari OWS Research and Development
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Posted - 2010.04.23 19:30:00 -
[1366]
Makes no good for botlord even in eve-ru to complain about get scorched.People there seems to say botlords sod off and except the fate (with all that ISK incoming...for botlord to loose raven is probably next to nothing)
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MatrixSkye Mk2
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.04.23 19:30:00 -
[1367]
Edited by: MatrixSkye Mk2 on 23/04/2010 19:31:29
Originally by: Raivi Bot farmers complain on eve-ru and then their friends complain here. It's a public forum, so you're not fooling anybody.
Originally by: Raivi It's a public forum, so you're not fooling anybody.
Originally by: Raivi you're not fooling anybody.
It's as if at some subconscious level Pandemic is talking to itself. Spooky stuff .
Grief a PVP'er. Run a mission today! |
Runar Silvertejp
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Posted - 2010.04.23 19:32:00 -
[1368]
Untill this great injustice from CCP has been righted and monkey banned, i volounter for the first shift in collapsing any wormhole exit in the system he is in...!
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Ded MATAP
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Posted - 2010.04.23 19:37:00 -
[1369]
Originally by: Runar Silvertejp Untill this great injustice from CCP has been righted and monkey banned, i volounter for the first shift in collapsing any wormhole exit in the system he is in...!
Nice!
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Xtover
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.04.23 19:38:00 -
[1370]
Originally by: Runar Silvertejp Untill this great injustice from CCP has been righted and monkey banned, i volounter for the first shift in collapsing any wormhole exit in the system he is in...!
oops.
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Raivi
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.04.23 19:38:00 -
[1371]
Originally by: Runar Silvertejp Untill this great injustice from CCP has been righted and monkey banned, i volounter for the first shift in collapsing any wormhole exit in the system he is in...!
Be careful, he might use his no-local hack to kill you in the wormhole. ---------------------------------------------
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Noah Emn
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Posted - 2010.04.23 19:41:00 -
[1372]
Originally by: hattifnatt
There has been no EULA breach.
LOL he's back, I was missing him!!
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AkJon Ferguson
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Posted - 2010.04.23 19:47:00 -
[1373]
CCP, ban the PL cheaters already. Go through The MonkeySphere's killmails and start deleting accounts. Add up the ill-gotten gains and take it out of PL's assets if The MS can't cover it.
CSM candidates, this is the most important issue in the game. There will always be cheaters, but if the player base can't trust CCP to take decisive action against known cheaters (either because CCP employees are members of PL or whatever) then the game has no future. Make your views on this issue known.
As for macro-ratters and macro-miners, ban them too. Do the logs show someone picking up bounties 23/7? Then he's cheating, either sharing accounts or running macros, ban him.
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Pestilent Industries
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Posted - 2010.04.23 19:47:00 -
[1374]
The Monkeysphere admits to exploiting in this thread here:
Scrapheap Challenge
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Jobby
Minmatar Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2010.04.23 19:47:00 -
[1375]
Originally by: Xtover
Originally by: Runar Silvertejp Untill this great injustice from CCP has been righted and monkey banned, i volounter for the first shift in collapsing any wormhole exit in the system he is in...!
oops.
Bizarre
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Xtover
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.04.23 19:56:00 -
[1376]
Originally by: Jobby
Originally by: Xtover
Originally by: Runar Silvertejp Untill this great injustice from CCP has been righted and monkey banned, i volounter for the first shift in collapsing any wormhole exit in the system he is in...!
oops.
Bizarre
Not really, they're just trolling themselves.
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Dianeces
SiN. Corp Daisho Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.04.23 19:59:00 -
[1377]
Originally by: Pestilent Industries The Monkeysphere admits to exploiting in this thread here:
Scrapheap Challenge
You didn't bother to look at the killmail, did you?
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Grath Telkin
Amarr Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.04.23 20:14:00 -
[1378]
Originally by: Dianeces
Originally by: Pestilent Industries The Monkeysphere admits to exploiting in this thread here:
Scrapheap Challenge
You didn't bother to look at the killmail, did you?
Why would they look at any actual evidence?
They've been making it up/trolled to death and have absolutely NO actual evidence to back up any claim.
They've literally got nothing but upset witnesses (which are rarely accepted testimony, due to emotional reasons), and a self made hack that they cooked up using a thread they pulled off of Kug's website (but since they didn't read the full thread they even screwed that up, hence no one recreating this on Tranq)
Then, you've got a couple dozen people/alts all screaming 'BAN HIM, HE'S CHEATING', mainly due to low brain capacity being unable to come up with how he's doing it, BUT, if all those accounts were suddenly banned for something like, orchestrating and unfounded attack, or personal slander campaigns that turn out to be unfounded, they'd all feel pretty stupid.
So the question comes, what will you do when they clear him, how will your tone change, and if he DOES manage to get his fat ass out of the wormhole, what will you do when he comes hunting you again?
Lastly, generally, for this attack to work, the victim committed an exploit, plain and simple. Its the only way it works, ever. Be it player, or bot, either had to purposefully and intentionally commit the act that damns you to being a victim of Monkey.
Also, please, stop by PL's pitchfork sales department, we have the finest torches available for public lynchings.
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POKETMACTEP
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Posted - 2010.04.23 20:31:00 -
[1379]
Originally by: Grath Telkin some whine here
I just can't believe.
PL - Can't fight w/o cheat anymore. PL - can not troll anymore. PL - can't use damage control modules.
PL - can only whine...
IMHO, New Eden going to collapse.
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Jeremey
Glittering Dust
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Posted - 2010.04.23 20:32:00 -
[1380]
Originally by: Grath Telkin Why would they look at any actual evidence?
They've been making it up/trolled to death and have absolutely NO actual evidence to back up any claim.
They've literally got nothing but upset witnesses (which are rarely accepted testimony, due to emotional reasons), and a self made hack that they cooked up using a thread they pulled off of Kug's website (but since they didn't read the full thread they even screwed that up, hence no one recreating this on Tranq)
Then, you've got a couple dozen people/alts all screaming 'BAN HIM, HE'S CHEATING', mainly due to low brain capacity being unable to come up with how he's doing it, BUT, if all those accounts were suddenly banned for something like, orchestrating and unfounded attack, or personal slander campaigns that turn out to be unfounded, they'd all feel pretty stupid.
So the question comes, what will you do when they clear him, how will your tone change, and if he DOES manage to get his fat ass out of the wormhole, what will you do when he comes hunting you again?
Lastly, generally, for this attack to work, the victim committed an exploit, plain and simple. Its the only way it works, ever. Be it player, or bot, either had to purposefully and intentionally commit the act that damns you to being a victim of Monkey.
Also, please, stop by PL's pitchfork sales department, we have the finest torches available for public lynchings.
Толстоват.
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Ranka Mei
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.04.23 20:34:00 -
[1381]
Originally by: Dianeces
You didn't bother to look at the killmail, did you?
Troll-padding your Monkeyman's killmails is not going to fool CCP. -- Gorgeous, delicious, deculture! |
Dianeces
SiN. Corp Daisho Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.04.23 20:42:00 -
[1382]
Originally by: Ranka Mei
Originally by: Dianeces
You didn't bother to look at the killmail, did you?
Troll-padding your Monkeyman's killmails is not going to fool CCP.
Cool story. Monkey hasn't done anything wrong, why would we need to post fake mails?
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Douglass Bryant
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Posted - 2010.04.23 20:53:00 -
[1383]
All I see here in this threadnought is a ton of tears from both sides. To me, the issue is so simple, I can't possibly understand how we're on page 46.
Exploit = Ban. Macro = Ban.
If Monkey is using an exploit, he should be banned. If the macro guys are macroing, they should be banned.
Originally by: Grath Telkin
Lastly, generally, for this attack to work, the victim committed an exploit, plain and simple. Its the only way it works, ever. Be it player, or bot, either had to purposefully and intentionally commit the act that damns you to being a victim of Monkey.
Two exploits do not make a right.
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Jimer Lins
Gallente Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2010.04.23 20:56:00 -
[1384]
Originally by: Pestilent Industries The Monkeysphere admits to exploiting in this thread here:
Scrapheap Challenge
Should have read the system name.
If anyone's been using exploits to able to appear on grid without appearing in local outside of WHs... I look forward to CCP striking down upon them with great vengeance and furious anger.
I do wish they'd do more about macros and bots, though.
Blog and Podcast - Twitter: DeclareWar
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Ranka Mei
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.04.23 20:57:00 -
[1385]
Originally by: Dianeces
Originally by: Ranka Mei
Originally by: Dianeces
You didn't bother to look at the killmail, did you?
Troll-padding your Monkeyman's killmails is not going to fool CCP.
Cool story. Monkey hasn't done anything wrong, why would we need to post fake mails?
You tell me! :) It's very simple:
1) Either those killmails and forum posts that keep showing up, in which Monkeyboy repeatedly admits to having used a non-local exploit, are true. EOL for the Monkster then.
2) They are fake 'logs' and killmail added by PL folks in an attempt to do, yeah, what exactly? I say, troll-padding the evidence against him, in the hope CCP will become confused.
In case nr. 2 is true, only you yourselves can tell why you keep making up fake killmails. Or were you saying his confessions were not false? You can't have your cookie and eat it. -- Gorgeous, delicious, deculture! |
Nelsonord
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.04.23 20:59:00 -
[1386]
I am late to this thread but this is ridiculous! I don't know if this issue has been "fixed" or at least brought to the attention to the CCP admins/Devs, but this needs to be fixed and stopped now.
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Kuar Z'thain
Fraser's Finest
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Posted - 2010.04.23 21:00:00 -
[1387]
WTS Troll-padding
Discounts for bulk orders.
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Dianeces
SiN. Corp Daisho Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.04.23 21:03:00 -
[1388]
Originally by: Ranka Mei
Originally by: Dianeces
Originally by: Ranka Mei
Originally by: Dianeces
You didn't bother to look at the killmail, did you?
Troll-padding your Monkeyman's killmails is not going to fool CCP.
Cool story. Monkey hasn't done anything wrong, why would we need to post fake mails?
You tell me! :) It's very simple:
1) Either those killmails and forum posts that keep showing up, in which Monkeyboy repeatedly admits to having used a non-local exploit, are true. EOL for the Monkster then.
2) They are fake 'logs' and killmail added by PL folks in an attempt to do, yeah, what exactly? I say, troll-padding the evidence against him, in the hope CCP will become confused.
In case nr. 2 is true, only you yourselves can tell why you keep making up fake killmails. Or were you saying his confessions were not false? You can't have your cookie and eat it.
The kill where he "admitted" to using a local exploit? Yeah, that was definitely in a wormhole. Way to make yourself look utterly ******ed, though.
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Ranka Mei
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.04.23 21:07:00 -
[1389]
Originally by: Kuar Z'thain WTS Troll-padding
Discounts for bulk orders.
No one is buying at the moment. :) (at least I hope they're not). Besides, currently supply far exceeds demand. -- Gorgeous, delicious, deculture! |
Grath Telkin
Amarr Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.04.23 21:11:00 -
[1390]
Originally by: Douglass Bryant
Originally by: Grath Telkin
Lastly, generally, for this attack to work, the victim committed an exploit, plain and simple. Its the only way it works, ever. Be it player, or bot, either had to purposefully and intentionally commit the act that damns you to being a victim of Monkey.
Two exploits do not make a right.
You should re-read what I wrote, because I didn't say that Monkey exploited.
What I said (I'll type it twice, so you can understand it) was:
For the ATTACK to work, the VICTIM committed an exploit.
Puzzle that through, and you know how he does it (yes, even KILLING 3 RATTERS SO FAST), its pretty damn easy.
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Ukachaka U
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Posted - 2010.04.23 21:15:00 -
[1391]
Originally by: Grath Telkin
Originally by: Douglass Bryant
Originally by: Grath Telkin
Lastly, generally, for this attack to work, the victim committed an exploit, plain and simple. Its the only way it works, ever. Be it player, or bot, either had to purposefully and intentionally commit the act that damns you to being a victim of Monkey.
Two exploits do not make a right.
You should re-read what I wrote, because I didn't say that Monkey exploited.
What I said (I'll type it twice, so you can understand it) was:
For the ATTACK to work, the VICTIM committed an exploit.
Puzzle that through, and you know how he does it (yes, even KILLING 3 RATTERS SO FAST), its pretty damn easy.
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POKETMACTEP
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Posted - 2010.04.23 21:15:00 -
[1392]
Originally by: Grath Telkin
Originally by: Douglass Bryant
For the ATTACK to work, the VICTIM committed an exploit.
Nice try, bro! But too FAT.
Go be fat somewhere else. [insert image you like here].
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Bobbechk
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.04.23 21:30:00 -
[1393]
How its really done...
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Ash2h
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Posted - 2010.04.23 21:33:00 -
[1394]
I guess everyone from eve-ru already posted what they wanted. Keep trolling.
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Boomershoot
Caldari Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2010.04.23 21:40:00 -
[1395]
Hey russians riddle me this
Why are your bot's D-scan windows closed?
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Douglass Bryant
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Posted - 2010.04.23 21:41:00 -
[1396]
Originally by: Grath Telkin
What I said (I'll type it twice, so you can understand it) was:
For the ATTACK to work, the VICTIM committed an exploit.
Hey, I'm just having a discussion, no need to be snarky, I certainly wasn't.
My question is, what makes this attack so effective? There are an awful lot of players in the game and by sheer statistics if this was via simple game mechanics you would expect a higher percentage of players to have either used it or heard of it. So what is this magical attack?
The argument that revealing the attack ruins it does have some merit, I suppose, but ultimately from here on out every time PL or Monkey make a kill people will call out exploit. It would be infinitely easier to take the wind out of this threadnought's sails by simply explaining how this is so very easily accomplished if such thing is the case. There will always be macroers, and having this little attack under your sleeve doesn't really make anyone think twice about macroing. Ultimately there is no grand Robin Hoodesque glory here, but just a bunch of guys using either a questionable game mechanic or exploit to pad their wallets and killboard stats.
If indeed this tactic works only against macroers, and the campaign is as benevolent as it has been portrayed, are the caught macroers being reported to CCP?
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Boomershoot
Caldari Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2010.04.23 21:42:00 -
[1397]
Originally by: Douglass Bryant
Originally by: Grath Telkin
What I said (I'll type it twice, so you can understand it) was:
For the ATTACK to work, the VICTIM committed an exploit.
Hey, I'm just having a discussion, no need to be snarky, I certainly wasn't.
My question is, what makes this attack so effective?
They're directed against simple algorithms.
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Round Midnight
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Posted - 2010.04.23 21:42:00 -
[1398]
Originally by: Grath Telkin
For the ATTACK to work, the VICTIM committed an exploit
You seem to be offering an interesting insight here. And it would suggest that you have intimate knowlegde of the way these attacks are carried out. As "Its the only way it works, ever". The Monkeysphere truly is a noble warrior; only ever (able to) use his superior technique on those who are already cheatng by using exploits.
Please enlighten me/us just what this exploit is.
A number of posters from your alliance seem to be to be raising as many issues a posible around this discussion regardless of their relevance to the issues raised by the OP. You it seems have the knowledge to clear things up.
As you are adamant that the technique used by monkey are entirely legal. Please do not waste this opportunity to correct those that you are complaining are drawing conclusions on bad/circumstantial/insufficioent evidence, by providing a little evidence of your own.
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Romale
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.04.23 21:43:00 -
[1399]
In the hopes of clearing my alliances name, and in the sincere desire to give my pilots the fair share of the PL way of life, without a blemish on their name and background, I have appeared before in this thread and given it all the cooperation in my power. I consider it a great dishonor to me personally to have to deny that MonkeySphere is a criminal. I wish to have the following noted for the record: that Monkeysphere served PL faithfully and honorably in every major engagement and was awarded the PL Cross for actions in defense of his alliance; that he have never been arrested or indicted for any crime whatsoever; that no proof linking him to any criminal conspiracy whether it is called "exploiters" or "botters" or whatever other name you wish to give has ever been made public. He has not taken refuge silence, though it is his right to do. I challenge CCP/bolsheviks to produce any evidence against him. And if they do not, I hope they will have the decency to clear his name with the same publicity with which they now have besmirched it.
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Douglass Bryant
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Posted - 2010.04.23 21:50:00 -
[1400]
Originally by: Boomershoot
Originally by: Douglass Bryant
Originally by: Grath Telkin
What I said (I'll type it twice, so you can understand it) was:
For the ATTACK to work, the VICTIM committed an exploit.
Hey, I'm just having a discussion, no need to be snarky, I certainly wasn't.
My question is, what makes this attack so effective?
They're directed against simple algorithms.
Of the macroer, you mean?
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Boomershoot
Caldari Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2010.04.23 21:53:00 -
[1401]
Originally by: Douglass Bryant
Originally by: Boomershoot
Originally by: Douglass Bryant
Originally by: Grath Telkin
What I said (I'll type it twice, so you can understand it) was:
For the ATTACK to work, the VICTIM committed an exploit.
Hey, I'm just having a discussion, no need to be snarky, I certainly wasn't.
My question is, what makes this attack so effective?
They're directed against simple algorithms.
Of the macroer, you mean?
Yes.
I Wonder if they even bother making a non-cyrillic version now.
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POKETMACTEP
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Posted - 2010.04.23 21:58:00 -
[1402]
Originally by: Romale In the hopes of clearing my alliances name,
WoT
you-make-bunny-cry.jpg (just for save internet traffic, environment and PL - no links for images)
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Romale
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.04.23 21:59:00 -
[1403]
Originally by: Orephia
Originally by: Certero I'll be waiting for this just to troll in new threads about EU and US botters
So far I have great appreciation for the Russian EvE community's contribution in bringing this issue to light, and respect for their overall self-moderation in response to PL's racist trolling to obscure the real progress that has been made. No need to look forward to sinking below their level. Don't help them to derail the issue, this is not about macros & bots, it's about exploiting the client, and needs to stay focused on that. We have the no local part, what about the insta scan & warp to victim part. Please let the investigation continue without hugging the doodoo strewn about by the monkeyshine crew.
its funny you consider the pl trolling racist when its pretty clear that the ones being racist here is the russian community from eve-ru (the ones posting in the monkey thread anyway)
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Ash2h
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Posted - 2010.04.23 22:07:00 -
[1404]
Originally by: Romale I wish to have the following noted for the record: that Monkeysphere served PL faithfully and honorably in every major engagement and was awarded the PL Cross for actions in defense of his alliance; that he have never been arrested or indicted for any crime whatsoever; that no proof linking him to any criminal conspiracy whether it is called "exploiters" or "botters" or whatever other name you wish to give has ever been made public. He has not taken refuge silence, though it is his right to do. I challenge CCP/bolsheviks to produce any evidence against him. And if they do not, I hope they will have the decency to clear his name with the same publicity with which they now have besmirched it.
Bla Bla Bla. Noone cares about Monkeyman. None cares about PL. 1. Eve-ru community got internal posts from respected legal players about possible exploit. 2. It was confirmed by few different players, who is not related with macro using. 3. They reported bugs to CCP, as usual GMs see no problem. "Logs show nothing". 3. One botmaster joined discussion and provided information about Monkeyman activity for long period, including blackmailing botmasters. 4. Actually for more than 24 hours noone believed it. 5. Few old***s approved that such exploits can exist (watch Abuser information from old posts). 6. Monkeman's killbord investigated. --- here starts topic on this forum --- 7. Few coders start to reproduce bug on test server. 8. They bugreport results to CCP. 9. PL and Monkey trolling. 10. Fraps video created to prove bug existence.
Finish. Nobody cares anymore about Monkey or PL reputation. It's CCP business. Every legit player wants exploit to be fixed, doesnt matter what tales PL posting here. bbthnx.
P.S. sorry for bad english.
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Capt Fossil
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.04.23 22:10:00 -
[1405]
Originally by: Bobbechk
How its really done...
Awesome pik dude.
I am not really knowledgeable enough to comment on videos, hax tricks (alledged btw)but I am hope CCP will get to the bottom of it.
I must admit it does seem to be one more example of how macro'ers/botter's are really screwing up this game.
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POKETMACTEP
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Posted - 2010.04.23 22:15:00 -
[1406]
Originally by: Boomershoot
I Wonder if they even bother making a non-cyrillic version now.
Originally by: Romale its funny you consider the pl trolling racist when its pretty clear that the ones being racist here is the russian community from eve-ru (the ones posting in the monkey thread anyway)
Can you point to One, just, ONE, bot, that have russian (well, Cyrillic interface)? I lame with google, but can found 10+ english/latin bot macro, and fail to find "russian" one.
Look like most of the bots used by ? speaking users.
Who is "trolling racist" here, without any ground? P.S. sorry, i am wrong, racism and troll do not need any ground.
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Ranka Mei
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.04.23 22:15:00 -
[1407]
Edited by: Ranka Mei on 23/04/2010 22:15:41
Originally by: Boomershoot
Originally by: Douglass Bryant
My question is, what makes this attack so effective?
They're directed against simple algorithms.
What a lovely story: poor Monkeyman was just finding a clever way to take advantage of the (faulty) way bots operate.
Except, lest we forget, this whole monkeybusiness started because REGULAR NON-BOT PLAYERS reported Monekeydude being absent in local, suddenly appearing out of thin air, within impossible timeframes. What, Monkey used an "I-win" tactic 'directed against simple algorithms' on these normal players too? That's a neat trick! I have to hand it to you guys, your talent for obfuscation is near miraculous! :) -- Gorgeous, delicious, deculture! |
Pr1ncess Alia
Caldari Perkone
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Posted - 2010.04.23 22:15:00 -
[1408]
clearly this exploit exists due to the reproduction of the exploit by this huulu character making HIM the guilty party.
however, monkey apparently has upset a great many russian players by possibly using this exploit but no one has evidence. to assume these ru characters are telling the truth about the PL character would make HIM the guilty party.
but, since no one has actually provided any evidence that monkey has used this exploit and providing reproduction of an exploit and explaining how to reproduce said exploit is against the game rules, that would make nunununu the guilty party!
EXCEPT, now it appears that the exploit is only possible when the victim himself is using an exploit making the very knowledge of which indicative of guilt making PL the guilty party!
but accepting this as true tells us the victims themselves are cheating to begin with making the ru characters the guilty party!!
but the ru characters would know this already and not divulge such information unless they too knew some other avenue by which to make themselves impervious to reproach (or would they?) but then too the monkey would also have such knowledge before discussing (or would he?)
furthermore, no one has provided any evidence of wrong doing by this monkey character and the only evidence so far is that the ru characters have been admittedly using bots to harvest isk meaning both parties know the poison is in THEIR....*croak*
"A game that is significantly nonlinear is sometimes described as being open-ended or a sandbox, and is characterized by there being no "right way" of playing the game." |
Ranka Mei
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.04.23 22:23:00 -
[1409]
Originally by: Pr1ncess Alia
but accepting this as true tells us the victims themselves are cheating to begin with making the ru characters the guilty party!!
Doesn't matter; even if it were true, creating an exploit to counter yet another exploit is still a bannable exploit! It all needs to stop.
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Jeremey
Glittering Dust
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Posted - 2010.04.23 22:25:00 -
[1410]
Originally by: Pr1ncess Alia clearly this exploit exists due to the reproduction of the exploit by this huulu character making HIM the guilty party.
however, monkey apparently has upset a great many russian players by possibly using this exploit but no one has evidence. to assume these ru characters are telling the truth about the PL character would make HIM the guilty party.
but, since no one has actually provided any evidence that monkey has used this exploit and providing reproduction of an exploit and explaining how to reproduce said exploit is against the game rules, that would make nunununu the guilty party!
EXCEPT, now it appears that the exploit is only possible when the victim himself is using an exploit making the very knowledge of which indicative of guilt making PL the guilty party!
but accepting this as true tells us the victims themselves are cheating to begin with making the ru characters the guilty party!!
but the ru characters would know this already and not divulge such information unless they too knew some other avenue by which to make themselves impervious to reproach (or would they?) but then too the monkey would also have such knowledge before discussing (or would he?)
furthermore, no one has provided any evidence of wrong doing by this monkey character and the only evidence so far is that the ru characters have been admittedly using bots to harvest isk meaning both parties know the poison is in THEIR....*croak*
Толстячок.
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Ukachaka U
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Posted - 2010.04.23 22:31:00 -
[1411]
Originally by: Pr1ncess Alia some mumbling
U madz bro? |
Romale
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.04.23 22:33:00 -
[1412]
Edited by: Romale on 23/04/2010 22:34:31 Edited by: Romale on 23/04/2010 22:33:34
Originally by: POKETMACTEP
Originally by: Boomershoot
I Wonder if they even bother making a non-cyrillic version now.
Originally by: Romale its funny you consider the pl trolling racist when its pretty clear that the ones being racist here is the russian community from eve-ru (the ones posting in the monkey thread anyway)
Can you point to One, just, ONE, bot, that have russian (well, Cyrillic interface)? I lame with google, but can found 10+ english/latin bot macro, and fail to find "russian" one.
Look like most of the bots used by ? speaking users.
Who is "trolling racist" here, without any ground? P.S. sorry, i am wrong, racism and troll do not need any ground.
nope, but i read the original thread where the guy on eve-ru admitted he was botting. In my comments anyway i stopped calling russians botters russian botters, as i felt that was an unfair depiction of russian people, i know plenty of russians who are great American Citizens and deserve to be proud of their russian heritage.
So my understanding of how the russian botting community works is their implementation of communism on eve where some poor bastards slave away botting isk all day and through a high tax rate they pay for others to buy ships and pvp. Pretty typical communism exploiting the workers really.
As such i felt bolsheviks was the best term to describe the community of slavic people who automatically jumped to the aid of a guy who admitting botting, believing his word when he provided no proof and onslaught the eve-online community with its propaganda and lies. All because you felt a russian was being wronged. you did it based on race, no other reason. you wouldn't of done the same for a native french speaker or native german speaker.
Infact the way you have treated monkeysphere honestly reminds of the histories of the ****'s painting on jewish businesses based on race. In this case its not that monkeysphere is jewish, its that he's not russian.
Just my opinion anyway
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MatrixSkye Mk2
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.04.23 22:36:00 -
[1413]
Originally by: Pr1ncess Alia EXCEPT, now it appears that the exploit is only possible when the victim himself is using an exploit making the very knowledge of which indicative of guilt making PL the guilty party!
Except that it seems to affect players AT THE KEYBOARD as well. I'd take Pandemic Legion's claims that it's only possible on macros with a grain of salt. The fact they've spent much effort trying to derail this thread should be enough to question their sincerity on the issue.
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Grath Telkin
Amarr Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.04.23 22:38:00 -
[1414]
Edited by: Grath Telkin on 23/04/2010 22:40:17
Originally by: Douglass Bryant
My question is, what makes this attack so effective? There are an awful lot of players in the game and by sheer statistics if this was via simple game mechanics you would expect a higher percentage of players to have either used it or heard of it.
I've learned to expect LESS from most people in this game. If anything were to support my argument, its this thread directly.
Originally by: Douglass Bryant The argument that revealing the attack ruins it does have some merit
Yes
Originally by: Douglass Bryant I suppose, but ultimately from here on out every time PL or Monkey make a kill people will call out exploit.
I think i speak for all of when i say "Ok"
Originally by: Douglass Bryant It would be infinitely easier to take the wind out of this threadnought's sails by simply explaining how ....
I'm actually enjoying watching all the madness that mob mentality brings with it. You can, if you step back and read BOTH threads, watch it spread like wildfire, till the "undisclosed sources" created the hack on the russian forums, where it goes off to a fever pitch.
Evidence, the thread by angel citing monkey's now obviously false ban, the GM said one simple sentence, to quote it loosely, that discussing GM actions against players is illegal, and look what the players took from that, and did with that sentence. It was actually sited as evidence, as obscure a reference as it was, that the russian community is right and we are liars.
One line, by a GM, was used to fuel wild speculation for about 3 or 4 hours on 2 forums. Its an amazing social event to be witnessed if you ask me.
Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2
Originally by: Pr1ncess Alia EXCEPT, now it appears that the exploit is only possible when the victim himself is using an exploit making the very knowledge of which indicative of guilt making PL the guilty party!
Except that it seems to affect players AT THE KEYBOARD as well. I'd take Pandemic Legion's claims that it's only possible on macros with a grain of salt. The fact they've spent much effort trying to derail this thread should be enough to question their sincerity on the issue.
Also, i said ANY player, bot or real
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Ukachaka U
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Posted - 2010.04.23 22:41:00 -
[1415]
Edited by: Ukachaka U on 23/04/2010 22:41:18
Originally by: Grath Telkin <skipped>
Stop crying for a moment and tell us what will you do when monkey will be banned? |
Pr1ncess Alia
Caldari Perkone
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Posted - 2010.04.23 22:41:00 -
[1416]
Originally by: Ranka Mei
Doesn't matter; even if it were true, creating an exploit to counter yet another exploit is still a bannable exploit! It all needs to stop.
Originally by: Ukachaka U
Originally by: Pr1ncess Alia some mumbling
U madz bro?
Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2 Except that it seems to affect players AT THE KEYBOARD as well. I'd take Pandemic Legion's claims that it's only possible on macros with a grain of salt. The fact they've spent much effort trying to derail this thread should be enough to question their sincerity on the issue.
none of you bother ducking, that joke was safely WAY over your head
u should knee jerk some more "A game that is significantly nonlinear is sometimes described as being open-ended or a sandbox, and is characterized by there being no "right way" of playing the game." |
Grath Telkin
Amarr Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.04.23 22:46:00 -
[1417]
Edited by: Grath Telkin on 23/04/2010 22:47:10
Originally by: Ukachaka U Edited by: Ukachaka U on 23/04/2010 22:41:18
Originally by: Grath Telkin <skipped>
Stop crying for a moment and tell us what will you do when monkey will be banned?
Go kill russian carriers in plex's cause your all really bad at this game?
PS- thanks for the helpful fuel for getting rid of broken local intel gathering tools though, I had about given up on it ever happening.
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Ukachaka U
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Posted - 2010.04.23 22:54:00 -
[1418]
Edited by: Ukachaka U on 23/04/2010 22:54:17
Originally by: Pr1ncess Alia
none of you bother ducking, that joke was safely WAY over your head
u should knee jerk some more
Patient, please, don't be nervous. Take your medicine and go to bed.
Originally by: Grath Telkin Edited by: Grath Telkin on 23/04/2010 22:47:10
Originally by: Ukachaka U Edited by: Ukachaka U on 23/04/2010 22:41:18
Originally by: Grath Telkin <skipped>
Stop crying for a moment and tell us what will you do when monkey will be banned?
Go kill russian carriers in plex's cause your all really bad at this game?
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Metal Dude
Destructive Influence IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.04.23 23:19:00 -
[1419]
Edited by: Metal Dude on 23/04/2010 23:22:00
The question is not "IF" PL exploited. I think everyone knows that they did. The question is how did PL come up with the exploit, which of PL devs told them how to use it and what is CCP going to do about it? ALL of the guilty parties should be perma banned; ALL the people that are on kill mails and in gangs while the exploit was being used and the CCP devs guilty of reveling the exploit should be reprimanded, not like the T20 who was slapped on the wrist while the rest of his alliance was forever stained by his actions. What will it take to get that accomplished? CSM, do your job.
The truth will set you free
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Grath Telkin
Amarr Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.04.23 23:25:00 -
[1420]
Originally by: Metal Dude Edited by: Metal Dude on 23/04/2010 23:22:00
The question is not "IF" PL exploited. I think everyone knows that they did. The question is how did PL come up with the exploit, which of PL devs told them how to use it and what is CCP going to do about it? ALL of the guilty parties should be perma banned; ALL the people that are on kill mails and in gangs while the exploit was being used and the CCP devs guilty of reveling the exploit should be reprimanded, not like the T20 who was slapped on the wrist while the rest of his alliance was forever stained by his actions. What will it take to get that accomplished? CSM, do your job.
I honestly didn't know you had it in you man.
Shedding a little tear right now.
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Pr1ncess Alia
Caldari Perkone
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Posted - 2010.04.23 23:25:00 -
[1421]
Originally by: Metal Dude The question is not "IF" PL exploited. I think everyone knows that they did. The question is how did PL come up with the exploit, which of PL devs told them how to use it and what is CCP going to do about it? ALL of the guilty parties should be perma banned; ALL the people that are on kill mails and in gangs while the exploit was being used and the CCP devs guilty of reveling the exploit should be reprimanded, not like the T20 who was slapped on the wrist while the rest of his alliance was forever stained by his actions. What will it take to get that accomplished? CSM, do your job.
I'm going to guess you typed this angrily.
I think we should ban everyone. Everyone in this thread too.
E v e r y o n e "A game that is significantly nonlinear is sometimes described as being open-ended or a sandbox, and is characterized by there being no "right way" of playing the game." |
Romale
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.04.23 23:26:00 -
[1422]
Originally by: Metal Dude Edited by: Metal Dude on 23/04/2010 23:22:00
The question is not "IF" PL exploited. I think everyone knows that they did. The question is how did PL come up with the exploit, which of PL devs told them how to use it and what is CCP going to do about it? ALL of the guilty parties should be perma banned; ALL the people that are on kill mails and in gangs while the exploit was being used and the CCP devs guilty of reveling the exploit should be reprimanded, not like the T20 who was slapped on the wrist while the rest of his alliance was forever stained by his actions. What will it take to get that accomplished? CSM, do your job.
actually for this one we had to go through alot of internal ccp emails to find out how to expoit local. you have no idea how much bs they mail back n forth thankfully hewhoshallremaneunamed and a few of our other players have created an algorithm and basically use google cloud to parse through everything for us until we find something we can use. Interestingly enough OUR method of staying out of local only works if the other player is using a cyrillic client
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Ash2h
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Posted - 2010.04.23 23:32:00 -
[1423]
Edited by: Ash2h on 23/04/2010 23:34:42 Edited by: Ash2h on 23/04/2010 23:32:38
Originally by: Romale Interestingly enough OUR method of staying out of local only works if the other player is using a cyrillic client
Suddenly! Most Russians use English client :)
P.S. botmasters use only english client, never heard bout exceptions
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar Vahrokh Consulting
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Posted - 2010.04.23 23:43:00 -
[1424]
Quote:
Except, lest we forget, this whole monkeybusiness started because REGULAR NON-BOT PLAYERS
How can them be "REGULAR" players if they don't do the most basic 101 of using a directional scanner? And yet use ships that have NO chance to escape, that is ships where using the directional scanner is vital?
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Jeremey
Glittering Dust
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Posted - 2010.04.23 23:46:00 -
[1425]
PANDEMIC LEGION
We just wanted to troll that we're exploiters, but suddenly convinced everyone in this.
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Ash2h
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Posted - 2010.04.23 23:54:00 -
[1426]
Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha
Quote:
Except, lest we forget, this whole monkeybusiness started because REGULAR NON-BOT PLAYERS
How can them be "REGULAR" players if they don't do the most basic 101 of using a directional scanner? And yet use ships that have NO chance to escape, that is ships where using the directional scanner is vital?
Coz they are regular and can't autospam direct scan every 20ms and react. Stop be fat troll and read thread from the start.
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Capt Fossil
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.04.23 23:57:00 -
[1427]
Originally by: Ash2h Edited by: Ash2h on 23/04/2010 23:34:42 Edited by: Ash2h on 23/04/2010 23:32:38
Originally by: Romale Interestingly enough OUR method of staying out of local only works if the other player is using a cyrillic client
Suddenly! Most Russians use English client :)
P.S. botmasters use only english client, never heard bout exceptions
I do not know what happened with Monkeysphere and others. I am not affiliated with Pandemic Legion, don't even know anybody in that bunch. I have NEVER used a macro, cheat or exploit.
That said..... botmasters...you mean cheaters don't you? You mean you are aware, know people who use macro's/bots AGAINST THE EULA and you don't report them?
You should be banned NOW just for admitting that.
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Snot Shot
Minmatar Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2010.04.24 00:00:00 -
[1428]
How can the first response from CCP at this point not be to ban all Monkeys accounts for life? Monkeys use of the exploit is clearly defined in 2008 when his KB stats show a tremendous spike in BS kills using the 1 and 2 other toons like he has been doing till now...
HE HAS BEEN USING THE EXPLOIT FOR 2 YEARS!!! His assests and large transactions should be seized and all accounts banned!!
This is no different than the Ferrogel issue and parties involved should get the same treatment. .
Just Sayin.... Dr. Shot
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Ranka Mei
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.04.24 00:00:00 -
[1429]
Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha
Quote:
Except, lest we forget, this whole monkeybusiness started because REGULAR NON-BOT PLAYERS
How can them be "REGULAR" players if they don't do the most basic 101 of using a directional scanner? And yet use ships that have NO chance to escape, that is ships where using the directional scanner is vital?
Bots don't usually file petitions. :) Bots don't look out their window, suddenly and mysteriously seeing Monkeyman materialize without warp; nor do bots generally get ticked-off about it. That's where all of this went awry: the Monkster started killing 'real' people instead of macros; maybe by accident; maybe he got overconfident; only he knows.
As for not using a scanner, I dunno, maybe they were watching local carefully, hoping the game would be played without cheats? -- Gorgeous, delicious, deculture! |
Ash2h
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Posted - 2010.04.24 00:05:00 -
[1430]
Edited by: Ash2h on 24/04/2010 00:06:38
Originally by: Capt Fossil
That said..... botmasters...you mean cheaters don't you? You mean you are aware, know people who use macro's/bots AGAINST THE EULA and you don't report them?
You should be banned NOW just for admitting that.
OMG. U never heard bout ppl who get profit working ingame? U never met places, where they talk bout it? U sure playing MMOs for short period. I've started 1993 in Diku1, but still playing. So maybe thats the reason, why i know something about this activity. If u really so bright in being paladin, go to one of botter forums and try to report all of them to CCP. Good luck. I don't wanna play this forum troll game. Back to eve game.
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Grath Telkin
Amarr Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.04.24 00:06:00 -
[1431]
Originally by: Snot Shot How can the first response from CCP at this point not be to ban all Snots accounts for life? Snots use of the exploit is clearly defined in 2008 when his posting stats show a tremendous spike in posts like he has been doing till now...
HE HAS BEEN USING THE EXPLOIT FOR 2 YEARS!!! His assests and large transactions should be seized and all accounts banned!!
This is no different than the Ferrogel issue and parties involved should get the same treatment. .
Totally agree.
Also, Jeremy, don't hold back man, sperge all the craziness your posting in message 2508 on the RU forums
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Ranka Mei
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.04.24 00:10:00 -
[1432]
Originally by: Snot Shot How can the first response from CCP at this point not be to ban all Monkeys accounts for life? Monkeys use of the exploit is clearly defined in 2008 when his KB stats show a tremendous spike in BS kills using the 1 and 2 other toons like he has been doing till now...
HE HAS BEEN USING THE EXPLOIT FOR 2 YEARS!!!
Quoted for truth. A simple statistical analysis (heck, just a glance suffices, really) should, at the very least, raise some immediate red flags over at those investigating. -- Gorgeous, delicious, deculture! |
Ash2h
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Posted - 2010.04.24 00:15:00 -
[1433]
Originally by: Ranka Mei
Originally by: Snot Shot How can the first response from CCP at this point not be to ban all Monkeys accounts for life? Monkeys use of the exploit is clearly defined in 2008 when his KB stats show a tremendous spike in BS kills using the 1 and 2 other toons like he has been doing till now...
HE HAS BEEN USING THE EXPLOIT FOR 2 YEARS!!!
Quoted for truth. A simple statistical analysis (heck, just a glance suffices, really) should, at the very least, raise some immediate red flags over at those investigating.
Are you sure anyone was watching chat logs? According to latest information chat joining is not even logged on server side, at least not in way you can compare it with system entrance. So ask another question, does exploit revealing helps this watch-dog, or not?
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Ranka Mei
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.04.24 00:26:00 -
[1434]
Originally by: Ash2h
Are you sure anyone was watching chat logs? According to latest information chat joining is not even logged on server side, at least not in way you can compare it with system entrance. So ask another question, does exploit revealing helps this watch-dog, or not?
Chat server, far as I know, uses simple IRC protocol. Joining a channel will have a server timestamp, no doubt. So, even if chat server is setup independently from the main EVE server, it should be a breeze for a dev to do some basic comparing. -- Gorgeous, delicious, deculture! |
Ash2h
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Posted - 2010.04.24 00:32:00 -
[1435]
Edited by: Ash2h on 24/04/2010 00:33:58
Originally by: Ranka Mei
Originally by: Ash2h
Are you sure anyone was watching chat logs? According to latest information chat joining is not even logged on server side, at least not in way you can compare it with system entrance. So ask another question, does exploit revealing helps this watch-dog, or not?
Chat server, far as I know, uses simple IRC protocol. Joining a channel will have a server timestamp, no doubt. So, even if chat server is setup independently from the main EVE server, it should be a breeze for a dev to do some basic comparing.
I hope so. Few (not less than 10) reports was closed with "Logs show nothing". Maybe after this thread, detailed investigation will change situation. Anyway, I already said, I don't care about Monkeyman or PL using exploit or not. I don't even want any bans. Just fix confirmed exploit and look into some others we expect to be used.
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Gunnanmon
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2010.04.24 00:40:00 -
[1436]
Originally by: Ash2h I don't even want any bans. Just fix confirmed exploit and look into some others we expect to be used.
Agreed, it's far too risky to start our macros before going to work in the morning. Put an end to this cheating! I need my isk, dammit! Signature locked for discussing moderation. Navigator
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Ash2h
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Posted - 2010.04.24 00:47:00 -
[1437]
Originally by: Gunnanmon
Originally by: Ash2h I don't even want any bans. Just fix confirmed exploit and look into some others we expect to be used.
Agreed, it's far too risky to start our macros before going to work in the morning. Put an end to this cheating! I need my isk, dammit!
Yeah! We all play balalaika with our pocket bears in Soviet Russia. Poor me being in Russia (joke). BTW Im in the same country as Monkeyman and someone in this thread said poor Monkey found bug coz slow internet. 10mb connection is common here, 100mb costs not so much and starting to be popular. Google Estonia.
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Neo Gabriel
Gallente Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.04.24 01:11:00 -
[1438]
I saw it with my own eyes (through the zander on alt) when huhuhu's ibis jumped into Keberz local from HED-GP and was flying around us while not being in local (multiple intances). I also saw with my own eyes when "Sisi Test" (whoever controls that, probably ccp) showed up on HED-GP on the Keberz gate grid while only me, Stormwolke and El were in local (Storm was in grid with me and saw it too), waiting for huhu to come for the scheduled proof op.
Interestingly enough, while fraps were recording, The monkeysphere came into the chat channel for who knows what reason.
I SAW THE PROOF OF CONCEPT WITH MY OWN EYES! I am not a bot! I have never used a bot and I HATE macros! I have screen shots to prove what I saw. The screen shots in sequential order with time stamps showing DS with the ships, with local open, with the chat open is UNDENIABLE proof that this exploit works with REAL PLAYERS and for all intents and purposes could be used by anyone on TQ.
I have googled Abuser's chat from 2 years ago that identified the eve vulnerabilities and urged CCP to do something about them. Obviously these vulnerabilities have been known for at least 2 years.
If you take all of Pandemic Legion's Trolling in here with bull**** excuses and fail posts with their alts you can see the pattern of obfuscation. Why would they do this? Why not just explain this "super strategy" so everyone can reproduce it and prove they are not cheaters? It is obvious there is no such strategy. If you have ever ratted or done PVE in lowsec/nullsec you will understand the importance of spamming DS when there is a neutral/pirate in system and you would ALSO understand that when system is empty you don't use DS. No one in their right mind will rat in a belt while there are neutrals in system, and if you are in a Complex, you keep your scanner open with tabs unchecked looking for probes. It is IMPOSSIBLE to be caught in PVE if you have any clue about what you are doing.
You can catch macros in 0.0 by using logonskys and warp spheres that is true but it is also very time consuming, as any experienced macro hunter attests.
So now these PL cheaters claim these strategies work with real players. They are all lying. If you examine monkey's KB, that alone is evidence of wrong doing.
Being able to move through system while not being in local is a great advantage where they can warp to their victims who are unaware of any threats, so they are not spamming DS or warping to a POS/safe. Suddenly a recon uncloaks or warps in (testimonials claim they just APPEAR OUT OF NOWHERE, which brings attention to further exploiting) and tackles their ratting ship and there is nothing they can do against 2 recons and a Mach.
So, there is testimonial evidence by dozens of REAL PEOPLE witness to these events. There are hundreds more KMs from bots who got caught. There is UNDENIABLE proof of this exploit. There is a guy with KB stats where he has impossible feats of hunting nullsec ratters, both real people and macros (lets not be naive most of his victims were bots). There is evidence of vulnerabilities that could allow hackers to warp to cloaked people, to fake info packets between client and servers. There is recorded evidence of PL people attempting to obfuscate the truth.
In any real world court of law all this evidence would land all these people in jail. There is no doubt monkey and accomplices have been exploiting the game for a long time. Since most of his victims were also exploiters (macroers) it took this long for attention and evidence to be gathered.
CCP already has all it needs to fix the vulnerabilities and ban to hell all the exploiters involved. I hope they find a way to also catch all macroers and ban all their accounts too.
Burn Everything!
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kaisersauzee
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2010.04.24 01:12:00 -
[1439]
Originally by: Ranka Mei Edited by: Ranka Mei on 23/04/2010 22:15:41
Originally by: Boomershoot
Originally by: Douglass Bryant
My question is, what makes this attack so effective?
They're directed against simple algorithms.
What a lovely story: poor Monkeyman was just finding a clever way to take advantage of the (faulty) way bots operate.
Except, lest we forget, this whole monkeybusiness started because REGULAR NON-BOT PLAYERS reported Monekeydude being absent in local, suddenly appearing out of thin air, within impossible timeframes. What, Monkey used an "I-win" tactic 'directed against simple algorithms' on these normal players too? That's a neat trick! I have to hand it to you guys, your talent for obfuscation is near miraculous! :)
Those the REGULAR players that only lose a ship because of a omglagsplat? |
Grath Telkin
Amarr Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.04.24 01:19:00 -
[1440]
Edited by: Grath Telkin on 24/04/2010 01:19:24
Originally by: Neo Gabriel Why not just explain this "super strategy" so everyone can reproduce it and prove they are not cheaters?
You should have left this part out.
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Ranka Mei
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.04.24 01:25:00 -
[1441]
Originally by: kaisersauzee
Originally by: Ranka Mei
Except, lest we forget, this whole monkeybusiness started because REGULAR NON-BOT PLAYERS reported Monekeydude being absent in local, suddenly appearing out of thin air, within impossible timeframes. What, Monkey used an "I-win" tactic 'directed against simple algorithms' on these normal players too? That's a neat trick! I have to hand it to you guys, your talent for obfuscation is near miraculous! :)
Those the REGULAR players that only lose a ship because of a omglagsplat?
"omglagsplat"? E? Nani kore?! Eigo de, onegai shimasu! :) -- Gorgeous, delicious, deculture! |
Ellatan Deruimte
Surreal corp Stain Empire
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Posted - 2010.04.24 01:39:00 -
[1442]
Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha How can them be "REGULAR" players if they don't do the most basic 101 of using a directional scanner? And yet use ships that have NO chance to escape, that is ships where using the directional scanner is vital?
Although you are trolling, for those who don't understand the problem I will explain the concept of it yet again. People don't tend to use direct scanners when there are no hostiles in local, or the local is simply empty, there is no reason to do so. Even if they did use direct scanner every 3 seconds, they would not be able to detect an Arazu coming, which can warp cloaked in any case. In addition to that advantage, an Arazu is free to drop combat scanner probes undetected. He has plenty of time to find a ratter inside a plex or anomaly, because the victims are not likely to check for scan probes with either empty local channel or no hostiles present in the system. That explains multiple reported occurrences when Monkeysphere was able to decloak Ravens at random safespots within seconds of seemingly entering local.
His victims are not idiots or newbies, however they are not playing by the same rules as him.
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Baillif
Red Mist Inc.
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Posted - 2010.04.24 01:41:00 -
[1443]
Confirming The Monkeysphere has told me his secrets and I am on my way to Russian space to kill golems.
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kaisersauzee
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2010.04.24 01:47:00 -
[1444]
Originally by: Ranka Mei
Originally by: kaisersauzee
Originally by: Ranka Mei
Except, lest we forget, this whole monkeybusiness started because REGULAR NON-BOT PLAYERS reported Monekeydude being absent in local, suddenly appearing out of thin air, within impossible timeframes. What, Monkey used an "I-win" tactic 'directed against simple algorithms' on these normal players too? That's a neat trick! I have to hand it to you guys, your talent for obfuscation is near miraculous! :)
Those the REGULAR players that only lose a ship because of a omglagsplat?
"omglagsplat"? E? Nani kore?! Eigo de, onegai shimasu! :)
People have always used ready made excuses for losing ships in a dumb way, do you really believe your corpmates when they tell you they only died because of lag.
The same principle also applies here.....if any of these REGULAR players lost their ship because they weren`t paying attention they now have a ready made excuse to justify the loss.
Just because they said thats how they lost it doesn`t make it so but don`t let the lack of concrete evidence get in the way of your lynching now.
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Bad Kroxa
Amarr Russian SOBR SOLAR FLEET
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Posted - 2010.04.24 01:48:00 -
[1445]
Edited by: Bad Kroxa on 24/04/2010 01:52:39
Originally by: Baillif Confirming The Monkeysphere has told me his secrets and I am on my way to Russian space to kill golems.
If you know the secret, why do you they still do not use it? You are simple Troll!
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Ash2h
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Posted - 2010.04.24 01:53:00 -
[1446]
Originally by: kaisersauzee
People have always used ready made excuses for losing ships in a dumb way, do you really believe your corpmates when they tell you they only died because of lag.
The same principle also applies here.....if any of these REGULAR players lost their ship because they weren`t paying attention they now have a ready made excuse to justify the loss.
Just because they said thats how they lost it doesn`t make it so but don`t let the lack of concrete evidence get in the way of your lynching now.
Only 2 words. Numbers, Coincident?
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DUYSheep
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Posted - 2010.04.24 01:55:00 -
[1447]
Edited by: DUYSheep on 24/04/2010 01:55:22 Edited: This is Neo Gabriels's ALT.
Doing some investigative reporting:
http://1hc.biz/000/w9cpav.jpg http://ahp.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=751370 http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=bvcfr&filter=losses&dateRange=Jan%201,%202003%20to%20Apr%2023,%202010
Now, there is something very interesting about the last link. If you check bvcfr's loss history, he has lost 7 BS, yet only 3 losses show on Batteclinic KB. HOWEVER, bvcfr killed a monkey arazu on 2008-07-05, THREE MINUTES after the above screenshot, and there was at a time a killmail from that same fight where the raven was killed! The killmail has dissapeared! Someone tried to cover their tracks and FAILED!
YOU HAVE BEEN CAUGHT!
This is UNDENIABLE EVIDENCE of exploiting by monkey, his connection to A**X, the other PL hacker. Possible help from the KB operators at BC and elsewhere for covering up his tracks! This is an unprecendented SCANDAL! PL has been cheating in eve for almost two years!
BURN EVERYTHING!
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kaisersauzee
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2010.04.24 01:55:00 -
[1448]
Edited by: kaisersauzee on 24/04/2010 01:56:36
Originally by: Ash2h
Originally by: kaisersauzee
People have always used ready made excuses for losing ships in a dumb way, do you really believe your corpmates when they tell you they only died because of lag.
The same principle also applies here.....if any of these REGULAR players lost their ship because they weren`t paying attention they now have a ready made excuse to justify the loss.
Just because they said thats how they lost it doesn`t make it so but don`t let the lack of concrete evidence get in the way of your lynching now.
Only 2 words. Numbers, Coincident?
I`m sorry I must have skipped passed the video showing monkeysphere attacking one of these regular players whilst not appearing in local....you forgive me right?
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Ranka Mei
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.04.24 01:58:00 -
[1449]
Originally by: kaisersauzee
People have always used ready made excuses for losing ships in a dumb way, do you really believe your corpmates when they tell you they only died because of lag.
The same principle also applies here.....if any of these REGULAR players lost their ship because they weren't paying attention they now have a ready made excuse to justify the loss.
Denial is not just a river. :)
And the reason they weren't paying attention is because bloody local didn't tell them they should, is why! -- Gorgeous, delicious, deculture! |
Ash2h
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Posted - 2010.04.24 02:01:00 -
[1450]
Originally by: kaisersauzee you forgive me right?
If you are one of normal players, who don't spend lifetime recording hours of fraps waiting of monkey magic, i forgive you.
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Romale
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.04.24 02:03:00 -
[1451]
Originally by: DUYSheep Edited by: DUYSheep on 24/04/2010 01:55:22 Edited: This is Neo Gabriels's ALT.
Doing some investigative reporting:
http://1hc.biz/000/w9cpav.jpg http://ahp.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=751370 http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=bvcfr&filter=losses&dateRange=Jan%201,%202003%20to%20Apr%2023,%202010
Now, there is something very interesting about the last link. If you check bvcfr's loss history, he has lost 7 BS, yet only 3 losses show on Batteclinic KB. HOWEVER, bvcfr killed a monkey arazu on 2008-07-05, THREE MINUTES after the above screenshot, and there was at a time a killmail from that same fight where the raven was killed! The killmail has dissapeared! Someone tried to cover their tracks and FAILED!
YOU HAVE BEEN CAUGHT!
This is UNDENIABLE EVIDENCE of exploiting by monkey, his connection to A**X, the other PL hacker. Possible help from the KB operators at BC and elsewhere for covering up his tracks! This is an unprecendented SCANDAL! PL has been cheating in eve for almost two years!
BURN EVERYTHING!
can someone translate this for me?
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Ash2h
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Posted - 2010.04.24 02:06:00 -
[1452]
Originally by: Romale
can someone translate this for me?
I thought its your pocket troll.
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kaisersauzee
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2010.04.24 02:14:00 -
[1453]
Originally by: Ranka Mei
Originally by: kaisersauzee
People have always used ready made excuses for losing ships in a dumb way, do you really believe your corpmates when they tell you they only died because of lag.
The same principle also applies here.....if any of these REGULAR players lost their ship because they weren't paying attention they now have a ready made excuse to justify the loss.
Denial is not just a river. :)
And the reason they weren't paying attention is because bloody local didn't tell them they should, is why!
Please point to the part where I denied anything, I have no affiliation to PL or monkeysphere.
Other than take the word of some REGULAR players as gospel, i`m simply suggesting that maybe you should hold off on your lynch mob until CCP are done investigating or you come up with concrete proof. |
Lady Karma
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Posted - 2010.04.24 02:32:00 -
[1454]
Originally by: kaisersauzee
i`m simply suggesting that maybe you should hold off on your lynch mob until CCP are done investigating or you come up with concrete proof.
I admire your optimism. The evidence in this thread would point towards the conclusion that the average eve player is lacking in cognitive abilities.
Jumping to wild conclusions of teleport hax, warp to zero hax, and of course the invisible in local hax. I think I saw Monkey Sphere building the pyramids using an alien anti gravity device. When he finished them, he then used the pyramids to power a mother ship in orbit using a giant microwave beam.
This is all fact because I can't work out how a big rock was lifted up, so it must have been anti gravity.
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Neo Gabriel
Gallente Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.04.24 02:38:00 -
[1455]
I think it very amusing to see all these Pathetic Legion of Cheaters and their alts trying to troll and obfuscate the truth.
You will not turn back time.
What has been said cannot be unsaid.
You can have any opinion you want, but facts are facts, they speak for themselves.
After all this is over, PL of cheaters (the ones who don't get banned) will have to spend the rest of their eve careers with their reputation tarnished by the doing of a couple dozen people.
So go ahead, keep up your pathetic attempts to hide the truth. We all know who you really are.
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Dianeces
SiN. Corp Daisho Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.04.24 02:40:00 -
[1456]
Originally by: Neo Gabriel I think it very amusing to see all these Pathetic Legion of Cheaters and their alts trying to troll and obfuscate the truth.
You will not turn back time.
What has been said cannot be unsaid.
You can have any opinion you want, but facts are facts, they speak for themselves.
After all this is over, PL of cheaters (the ones who don't get banned) will have to spend the rest of their eve careers with their reputation tarnished by the doing of a couple dozen people.
So go ahead, keep up your pathetic attempts to hide the truth. We all know who you really are.
And when nobody gets banned? What then?
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Deus Ex'Machina
The-Machine
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Posted - 2010.04.24 02:41:00 -
[1457]
One way to not be affected by this exploit is to add the monkey to your bots address book, when the bot detects the log-in-monkey-exploit he immediately logs off to escape the trap.
No need to ban any one and every one is happy - Arkanon: EXPLAIN YOURSELF, EVILDOER! Sharkbait: Dude. |
Lady Karma
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Posted - 2010.04.24 02:42:00 -
[1458]
Originally by: Neo Gabriel but facts are facts, they speak for themselves.
Please post those facts, I would like to see any exploiter removed from the game.
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DUYSheep
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Posted - 2010.04.24 02:43:00 -
[1459]
They will be banned, because if they get away scott free, the damage to CCP's reputation will be a lot stronger than what happened last time they tried to cover up the truth.
It's like a bank not telling the police that someone found a way into the vault and robbed it blind, when all their customers know what happened.
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Zandar one
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Posted - 2010.04.24 02:47:00 -
[1460]
The proof was posted on post 1434, in thread page 48.
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Lady Karma
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Posted - 2010.04.24 02:48:00 -
[1461]
Originally by: DUYSheep
It's like a bank not telling the police the whole story about the vault being robbed blind, when all the managers embezzled the funds and tried to pass blame
FYP.
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Ash2h
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Posted - 2010.04.24 02:49:00 -
[1462]
Oh shi~ I've just heard rumors that PL lost their 0.0 territory to russian macrousers. Sure they invited AI to do that. REALIZE MONKEY LEGION NOW! Its only way to prevent russian skynet invasion! All people should fight for their freedom, no matter of cost, don't let russians eat our noodles!
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Zandar one
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Posted - 2010.04.24 02:53:00 -
[1463]
Lady, what kind of proof would be enough for you?
It's funny, this is the best thread ever, seeing these PL alts scrambling and posting to save their skins.
Whatever happens, I'm having a great time here.
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Zelda Wei
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Posted - 2010.04.24 02:58:00 -
[1464]
Originally by: Romale
Originally by: Chibi Chi I will cancel my game Subscribtion if PL members will not be banned
can i have your stuff?
Buy it from any good RMT site.
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Ranka Mei
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.04.24 03:00:00 -
[1465]
Originally by: Lady Karma
I admire your optimism. The evidence in this thread would point towards the conclusion that the average eve player is lacking in cognitive abilities.
No, the evidence in this thread just points to the evidence.
Then there's people like you, of course, and kaisersauzee, who will believe the most outlandish forms of coincidence, just so you won't have to face facts. Yeah, I call that denial. Heck you guys are even in denial about your denial! :)
Quote:
I think I saw Monkey Sphere building the pyramids using an alien anti gravity device. When he finished them, he then used the pyramids to power a mother ship in orbit using a giant microwave.
Always cute; and always a diversion. You guys must really be deluding yourselves, though, if you think this sort of cutesy stuff will cause CCP to stop investigating. Alia iacta est, and it *will* come down on someone; and that's the only gravity we'll be seeing in the aftermath of this. -- Gorgeous, delicious, deculture! |
Lady Karma
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Posted - 2010.04.24 03:07:00 -
[1466]
Edited by: Lady Karma on 24/04/2010 03:17:05
Originally by: Ranka Mei
No, the evidence in this thread just points to the evidence.
Could you link me to the evidence again please. If you have some, share it with CCP, don't hold back.
I'm really hoping CCP investigates this thread thoroughly, and bans anyone in violation of the EULA. The logs may not show much, but they certainly show your online activity.
HOLY RAGE
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Ranka Mei
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.04.24 03:42:00 -
[1467]
Originally by: Lady Karma
I'm really hoping CCP investigates this thread thoroughly, and bans anyone in violation of the EULA. The logs may not show much, but they certainly show your online activity.
Well, it would appear we agree at least on this. :) I'm sure they milk this thread for the honey-pot that it is; and if, along with the prinical culprits, a few hundred macro-miners go down as well, you won't find me shedding any tears over it, either. -- Gorgeous, delicious, deculture! |
Zelda Wei
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Posted - 2010.04.24 04:06:00 -
[1468]
Edited by: Zelda Wei on 24/04/2010 04:13:17
Originally by: Mr Rive Actually i like monkey he gives me medical advice
Why you shouldn't pay for sex with russian prostitutes and they just spend the money on RMT isk.
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Zeke Mobius
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Posted - 2010.04.24 04:15:00 -
[1469]
Closer to 1500 replies and a whole clip of views and yet..... Silence from Iceland....
Will they blame it on the volcano?
Update at 11! |
Bad Kroxa
Amarr Russian SOBR SOLAR FLEET
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Posted - 2010.04.24 04:22:00 -
[1470]
Edited by: Bad Kroxa on 24/04/2010 04:24:34 Edited by: Bad Kroxa on 24/04/2010 04:22:48 Edited by: Bad Kroxa on 24/04/2010 04:22:18
Originally by: Ranka Mei
Well, it would appear we agree at least on this. :) I'm sure they milk this thread for the honey-pot that it is; and if, along with the prinical culprits, a few hundred macro-miners go down as well, you won't find me shedding any tears over it, either.
You demand evidence, but where is the proof that all Russian macro-miners? You damage control is poor.
Monkey did not repeat his magic of space, after his exposure. Russian repeat it, and poke his nose in this $h1t. Justice never sleeps! Monkey had to play fair, but did not do it! I can tell you one thing - $h1t happens. Now let him eat it ...
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Grath Telkin
Amarr Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.04.24 04:22:00 -
[1471]
Originally by: Zeke Mobius Closer to 1500 replies and a whole clip of views and yet..... Silence from Iceland....
Will they blame it on the volcano?
Update at 11!
I know facts and the truth shouldn't really be brought into this thread (we've come so far without it), but for those keeping score, CCP have commented in this thread yo.
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Criegor
Sniggerdly
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Posted - 2010.04.24 04:53:00 -
[1472]
Originally by: Bad Kroxa You demand evidence, but where is the proof that all Russian macro-miners? You damage control is poor.
Silly goose, everyone knows russians = macros.
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Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2010.04.24 05:14:00 -
[1473]
Originally by: Pr1ncess Alia I think we should ban everyone. Everyone in this thread too.
E v e r y o n e
Considering every single forum troll and his alt army are in this thread that would mean that noone would be left to poast on the forums.
Hrmm, there is a certain appeal to this.
Originally by: CCP Zymurgist Get off the forums and go kill someone!
Originally by: Amarr Supremacist Yeah, it(Jaguar) almost has cruiser level tank and gank!
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Ranka Mei
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.04.24 05:15:00 -
[1474]
Edited by: Ranka Mei on 24/04/2010 05:15:43
Originally by: Bad Kroxa
Originally by: Ranka Mei
Well, it would appear we agree at least on this. :) I'm sure they milk this thread for the honey-pot that it is; and if, along with the prinical culprits, a few hundred macro-miners go down as well, you won't find me shedding any tears over it, either.
You demand evidence, but where is the proof that all Russian macro-miners? You damage control is poor.
I wasn't the one demanding: I'm already convinced. :) You're barking up the wrong tree.
As for all Russians being macro-miners, who said that? Certainly wasn't me, either. I never even mentioned 'Russian' (see above). I was just saying that when CCP does its cleanup and happens to sweep a few hundred macro-miners off the map as well, as part of said operation, you won't see me lose any tears over it either, is all. -- Gorgeous, delicious, deculture! |
Bad Kroxa
Amarr Russian SOBR SOLAR FLEET
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Posted - 2010.04.24 05:16:00 -
[1475]
Originally by: Criegor Silly goose, everyone knows russians = macros.
Silly monkey, everyone now knows that the PL and macaque = cheaters! Good luck!
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Shade Millith
Caldari Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.04.24 05:18:00 -
[1476]
I just find it amusing the amount of PL denile about it a non-local exploit existing, then video on the OP of it being done appears.
Nice job on bring it to light OP ------------------------
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Malaclypse Muscaria
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Posted - 2010.04.24 05:19:00 -
[1477]
*burps*
oops, excuse my french.
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Bad Kroxa
Amarr Russian SOBR SOLAR FLEET
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Posted - 2010.04.24 05:28:00 -
[1478]
Originally by: Romale Interestingly enough OUR method of staying out of local only works if the other player is using a cyrillic client
Wait, is not an exploit? Why not use other players for your alliance? Why not tell CCP about exploits? This is a violation of the EULA, is not it? Oh wait, Judge Dredd detected!!!
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Thaylon Sen
Tetra-Pac
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Posted - 2010.04.24 05:29:00 -
[1479]
I have a pitch fork, and burning torch. Where do I sign up for the lynch mob?
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Tonto Auri
Vhero' Multipurpose Corp
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Posted - 2010.04.24 05:52:00 -
[1480]
Originally by: Grath Telkin
Originally by: Zeke Mobius Closer to 1500 replies and a whole clip of views and yet..... Silence from Iceland....
Will they blame it on the volcano?
Update at 11!
I know facts and the truth shouldn't really be brought into this thread (we've come so far without it), but for those keeping score, CCP have commented in this thread yo.
\o/ yau we got to the bottom of it! PL DC surrendered! -- Thanks CCP for cu |
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Ded MATAP
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Posted - 2010.04.24 06:07:00 -
[1481]
The more PL DC deny abuse of exploit, the more ppl belive that they really giulty.
Nice work! No one can damage your reputation better.
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lookatzebirdie
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Posted - 2010.04.24 06:17:00 -
[1482]
Originally by: Romale Edited by: Romale on 23/04/2010 22:34:31 Edited by: Romale on 23/04/2010 22:33:34
Originally by: POKETMACTEP
Originally by: Boomershoot
I Wonder if they even bother making a non-cyrillic version now.
Originally by: Romale its funny you consider the pl trolling racist when its pretty clear that the ones being racist here is the russian community from eve-ru (the ones posting in the monkey thread anyway)
Can you point to One, just, ONE, bot, that have russian (well, Cyrillic interface)? I lame with google, but can found 10+ english/latin bot macro, and fail to find "russian" one.
Look like most of the bots used by ? speaking users.
Who is "trolling racist" here, without any ground? P.S. sorry, i am wrong, racism and troll do not need any ground.
nope, but i read the original thread where the guy on eve-ru admitted he was botting. In my comments anyway i stopped calling russians botters russian botters, as i felt that was an unfair depiction of russian people, i know plenty of russians who are great American Citizens and deserve to be proud of their russian heritage.
So my understanding of how the russian botting community works is their implementation of communism on eve where some poor bastards slave away botting isk all day and through a high tax rate they pay for others to buy ships and pvp. Pretty typical communism exploiting the workers really.
As such i felt bolsheviks was the best term to describe the community of slavic people who automatically jumped to the aid of a guy who admitting botting, believing his word when he provided no proof and onslaught the eve-online community with its propaganda and lies. All because you felt a russian was being wronged. you did it based on race, no other reason. you wouldn't of done the same for a native french speaker or native german speaker.
Infact the way you have treated monkeysphere honestly reminds of the histories of the ****'s painting on jewish businesses based on race. In this case its not that monkeysphere is jewish, its that he's not russian.
Just my opinion anyway
I don't recall any of the russian dudes bringing monkeysphere's nationality into this at all, only their accusations about his actions. Whether they are fair or not, it is certainly not based on race. Witch hunt ? maybe. Racist witch hunt ? Not even anywhere close.
I do however remember YOU generalizing Russians as botters and generalizing Russians as bolsheviks, you HAVE brought nationality into this and while I wouldn't call it racist, it is at least xenophobic and bigoted.
As for trying to deflect from this by turn the tables and accuse the Russian crowd of racism by comparing their accusations of monkey to a NA (german facists) ZI witch hunt of the Jews ? Are you ****ing mad ? Apart from being in incredibly bad taste and hideously offensive, the comment shows you generalizing about the Russians ONCE AGAIN as you claim to know they all hate monkeysphere because he is not Russian. You really need help mate, can you actually talk about our fellow Russian Eve players without making an offensive generalization ?
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Neo Gabriel
Gallente Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.04.24 06:29:00 -
[1483]
I can't wait for the BANHAMMER to fall so I can start collecting all these tears. They will be delicious tears.
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Jeremey
Glittering Dust
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Posted - 2010.04.24 06:33:00 -
[1484]
Originally by: Romale As such i felt bolsheviks was the best term to describe the community of slavic people who automatically jumped to the aid of a guy who admitting botting, believing his word when he provided no proof and onslaught the eve-online community with its propaganda and lies. All because you felt a russian was being wronged. you did it based on race, no other reason. you wouldn't of done the same for a native french speaker or native german speaker.
Infact the way you have treated monkeysphere honestly reminds of the histories of the ****'s painting on jewish businesses based on race. In this case its not that monkeysphere is jewish, its that he's not russian.
It was just a warning - the monkey in fact is escaped with slight shock. Don't mess with russian faschimacrofarmers - we have long hands.
By the way, how's your iskie alt corp living? No problems recently?
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Boomershoot
Caldari Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2010.04.24 06:41:00 -
[1485]
Originally by: Jeremey It was just a warning - the monkey in fact is escaped with slight shock. Don't mess with russian faschimacrofarmers - we have long hands.
By the way, how's your iskie alt corp living? No problems recently?
Remember me to drop the hammer on russians from now on, they want to be treated as a race, they'll be treated as a race from now on.
Just sayin'
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MatrixSkye Mk2
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.04.24 06:48:00 -
[1486]
Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha How can them be "REGULAR" players if they don't do the most basic 101 of using a directional scanner? And yet use ships that have NO chance to escape, that is ships where using the directional scanner is vital?
Are you really this dense?
Is this how YOU tell whether someone is at the keyboard versus botting? No wonder you're accusing all against this exploit "botters" . But most likely you're just trolling. Funny thing is you consider T3s cheating, but an actual cheat using exploits by Pandemic Legion, to you, well, ratters deserve to be cheated on if they're not paying attention to local.
If not paying attention to local is so critical to survival then why would you need a cheat to kill a player at the keyboard? .
Grief a PVP'er. Run a mission today! |
Boomershoot
Caldari Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2010.04.24 06:51:00 -
[1487]
Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2
Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha How can them be "REGULAR" players if they don't do the most basic 101 of using a directional scanner? And yet use ships that have NO chance to escape, that is ships where using the directional scanner is vital?
Are you really this dense?
Is this how YOU tell whether someone is at the keyboard versus botting? No wonder you're accusing all against this exploit "botters" . But most likely you're just trolling. Funny thing is you consider T3s cheating, but an actual cheat using exploits by Pandemic Legion, to you, well, ratters deserve to be cheated on if they're not paying attention to local.
If not paying attention to local is so critical to survival then why would you need a cheat to kill a player at the keyboard? .
CTRL+QQ Is an exploit too based on how the mechanics work and on your view on the subject.
But CCP doesn't seem as much as interested in it.
The local has to go, what do you say MatrixSkye?
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MatrixSkye Mk2
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.04.24 06:54:00 -
[1488]
Originally by: Lady Karma Please post those facts, I would like to see any exploiter removed from the game.
Once CCP has layeth down the smackbans, you'll be in the Assembly Hall begging CCP to unban Pandemic Legion cheaters. Mark my words.
I think you've already proven your loyalties unquestionably lie with Pandemic Legion, for whatever reasons.
Grief a PVP'er. Run a mission today! |
Boomershoot
Caldari Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2010.04.24 06:56:00 -
[1489]
Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2
Originally by: Lady Karma Please post those facts, I would like to see any exploiter removed from the game.
Once CCP has layeth down the smackbans, you'll be in the Assembly Hall begging CCP to unban Pandemic Legion cheaters. Mark my words.
I think you've already proven your loyalties unquestionably lie with Pandemic Legion, for whatever reasons.
[lamegreen]> implying all PL Characters are cheaters[/lamegreen]
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MatrixSkye Mk2
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.04.24 07:04:00 -
[1490]
Edited by: MatrixSkye Mk2 on 24/04/2010 07:05:46
Originally by: Boomershoot
Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2
Originally by: Lady Karma Please post those facts, I would like to see any exploiter removed from the game.
Once CCP has layeth down the smackbans, you'll be in the Assembly Hall begging CCP to unban Pandemic Legion cheaters. Mark my words.
I think you've already proven your loyalties unquestionably lie with Pandemic Legion, for whatever reasons.
[lamegreen]> implying all PL Characters are cheaters[/lamegreen]
I highlighted the part you failed to understand.
Oh, and:
Originally by: Boomershoot CTRL+QQ Is an exploit too based on how the mechanics work and on your view on the subject.
But CCP doesn't seem as much as interested in it.
The local has to go, what do you say MatrixSkye?
And that justifies the use of another exploit?
I think local should stay. I also think infnipoint HICs are overpowered, but you know what I am NOT doing? Creating an exploit to counter them and blaming CCP's "inability" to fix the things that I PERSONALLY DON'T LIKE. That's not how things work.
Does this compute?
Grief a PVP'er. Run a mission today! |
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Boomershoot
Caldari Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2010.04.24 07:10:00 -
[1491]
Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2 And that justifies the use of another exploit?
I think local should stay. I also think infnipoint HICs are overpowered, but you know what I am NOT doing? Creating an exploit to counter them and blaming CCP's "inability" to fix the things that I PERSONALLY DON'T LIKE. That's not how things work.
Does this compute?
Ctrl+QQ can escape HIC's Infinipoint.
Your point on how this is not an exploit, then?
With local gone you solve a great chunk of bot problems, and it will also fix the current "Oh Exploitable" Situation. How is that not a Win/Win?
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MatrixSkye Mk2
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.04.24 07:14:00 -
[1492]
Originally by: Boomershoot Ctrl+QQ can escape HIC's Infinipoint.
Your point on how this is not an exploit, then?
With local gone you solve a great chunk of bot problems, and it will also fix the current "Oh Exploitable" Situation. How is that not a Win/Win?
BECAUSE it affects players that are NOT cheating as well. How are non-cheaters supposed to get around an exploit that makes the predator dissappear from local in normal space?
AND BAN ALL EXPLOITERS... ALL OF THEM. EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM.
Grief a PVP'er. Run a mission today! |
Boomershoot
Caldari Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2010.04.24 07:16:00 -
[1493]
Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2
Originally by: Boomershoot Ctrl+QQ can escape HIC's Infinipoint.
Your point on how this is not an exploit, then?
With local gone you solve a great chunk of bot problems, and it will also fix the current "Oh Exploitable" Situation. How is that not a Win/Win?
BECAUSE it affects players that are NOT cheating as well. How are non-cheaters supposed to get around an exploit that makes the predator dissappear from local in normal space?
AND BAN ALL EXPLOITERS... ALL OF THEM. EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM.
The fix for local problem without the eradication of this intel channel will affect all players, too. And i don't see people ranting of no-local in WH either.
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Psychotic Maniac
Caldari Head Shrinkers
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Posted - 2010.04.24 07:19:00 -
[1494]
It doesn't take a genuis to figure out that he knows what he is doing is clearly an exploit.
Just look at the name of one of the chars. he is using lol internets. Poking fun at the fact that he is manupulating his connection?
Now, I have no technical knowledge on how to delay the relay. But, clearly it can, is and was being done.
CCP should strip all his assests that come back to any and all chars. for his ip address. Ban all accounts and reimburse all the players that were a victim of his crime. Yes, that's correct I said CRIME. If I use RL cash to purchase a plex. Sell that plex to purchase ships, mods, etc. Then some *sshole uses an exploit or hack to destroy the items that I purchased with CASH and takes those items. It is THIEF and WILL BE DEALT WITH.
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Boomershoot
Caldari Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2010.04.24 07:21:00 -
[1495]
Originally by: Psychotic Maniac Just look at the name of one of the chars.
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Bargnar
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.04.24 07:22:00 -
[1496]
01/10 for :effort:
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MatrixSkye Mk2
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.04.24 07:22:00 -
[1497]
Originally by: Boomershoot
Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2
Originally by: Boomershoot Ctrl+QQ can escape HIC's Infinipoint.
Your point on how this is not an exploit, then?
With local gone you solve a great chunk of bot problems, and it will also fix the current "Oh Exploitable" Situation. How is that not a Win/Win?
BECAUSE it affects players that are NOT cheating as well. How are non-cheaters supposed to get around an exploit that makes the predator dissappear from local in normal space?
AND BAN ALL EXPLOITERS... ALL OF THEM. EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM.
The fix for local problem without the eradication of this intel channel will affect all players, too. And i don't see people ranting of no-local in WH either.
Too bad right now the ones with the upper hand are the PL cheaters and anyone else that is sharing this exploit. I'll tell you what, let EVERYONE use this exploit and at least we're now all on even grounds. Stop excusing the use of this exploit like it's the mighty solution to a problem you personally don't like. If you don't like local, then use normal means to get rid of it (petition, garner support, etc). DO NOT create an exploit and justify its use because there's something in-game you personally don't like.
If people had your mentality they'd create exploits for everything they didn't like about the game and it'd be perfectly reasonable to do so.
Grief a PVP'er. Run a mission today! |
Neo Gabriel
Gallente Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.04.24 07:22:00 -
[1498]
Its because in WH space, everyone knows you only show in local if talk in local.
People are mad at this because everyone knows you show up in local in k-space, or so we thought.
Imagine, someone discovered an exploit where they could see everyone in WH space who is online, and someone finds out. Imagine all the tears of the gankers and the wh citizens.
Or worse, imagine an exploit where you can warp to anyone in system who is claoked, even when they are not in your fleet! Imagine the rage!
Now, imagine someone found an exploit where they can enter a local system and not show up in local! OMG, *****!
Its not the idea of having a delayed local or no local in nullspace that ****es people off, its the fact that someone has an unfair advantage that has been used to farm players and bots for 2 years and no one has done anything to stop it until now.
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Boomershoot
Caldari Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2010.04.24 07:26:00 -
[1499]
Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2
Originally by: Boomershoot
Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2
Originally by: Boomershoot Ctrl+QQ can escape HIC's Infinipoint.
Your point on how this is not an exploit, then?
With local gone you solve a great chunk of bot problems, and it will also fix the current "Oh Exploitable" Situation. How is that not a Win/Win?
BECAUSE it affects players that are NOT cheating as well. How are non-cheaters supposed to get around an exploit that makes the predator dissappear from local in normal space?
AND BAN ALL EXPLOITERS... ALL OF THEM. EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM.
The fix for local problem without the eradication of this intel channel will affect all players, too. And i don't see people ranting of no-local in WH either.
Too bad right now the ones with the upper hand are the PL cheaters and anyone else that is sharing this exploit. I'll tell you what, let EVERYONE use this exploit and at least we're now all on even grounds. Stop excusing the use of this exploit like it's the mighty solution to a problem you personally don't like. If you don't like local, then use normal means to get rid of it (petition, garner support, etc). DO NOT create an exploit and justify its use because there's something in-game you personally don't like.
If people had your mentality they'd create exploits for everything they didn't like about the game and it'd be perfectly reasonable to do so.
Too bad exploits are not creatred, but discovered.
And too bad you're endorsing the use of an exploit. Reported.
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MatrixSkye Mk2
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.04.24 07:29:00 -
[1500]
Nice argument there, Boomershot.
Grief a PVP'er. Run a mission today! |
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Zartrader
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Posted - 2010.04.24 07:40:00 -
[1501]
Edited by: Zartrader on 24/04/2010 07:42:42
Haha some nobhead had to go and prove Godwin's law once again.
I was waiting for that, got close a few times but someone managed it, well done.
EDIT: To clarify 'Godwin's law applies especially to inappropriate, inordinate, or hyperbolic comparisons of other situations (or one's opponent) with ****** or ****s or their actions' Linkage
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Boomershoot
Caldari Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2010.04.24 07:41:00 -
[1502]
Originally by: Zartrader Haha some nobhead had to go and prove Godwin's law once again.
Hope this don't mean the end of these posts.
I really hope this thread to die alone, tho.
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Zartrader
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Posted - 2010.04.24 07:46:00 -
[1503]
Originally by: Boomershoot
Originally by: Zartrader Haha some nobhead had to go and prove Godwin's law once again.
Hope this don't mean the end of these posts.
I really hope this thread to die alone, tho.
Well CCP will continue farming these posts for Info then close when they are done. It's quite obvious anyone who cheats should get banned and that's that. All the mudslinging is pointless.
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Boomershoot
Caldari Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2010.04.24 07:49:00 -
[1504]
Originally by: Zartrader
Originally by: Boomershoot
Originally by: Zartrader Haha some nobhead had to go and prove Godwin's law once again.
Hope this don't mean the end of these posts.
I really hope this thread to die alone, tho.
Well CCP will continue farming these posts for Info then close when they are done. It's quite obvious anyone who cheats should get banned and that's that. All the mudslinging is pointless.
Yet i have to see a single bit of evidence in these posts that lead to ANY conclusion other than "Russian butthurt community wants to protect their farming bots with fabricated media"
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Rakshasa Taisab
Caldari Sane Industries Inc. Initiative Mercenaries
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Posted - 2010.04.24 08:23:00 -
[1505]
Originally by: Boomershoot Too bad exploits are not creatred, but discovered.
And too bad you're endorsing the use of an exploit. Reported.
Too bad _VULNERABILITIES_ are discovered while exploits are created.
Feel dumb now? Oh yes you do.
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species2143
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Posted - 2010.04.24 08:27:00 -
[1506]
Originally by: Rakshasa Taisab
Originally by: Boomershoot Too bad exploits are not creatred, but discovered.
And too bad you're endorsing the use of an exploit. Reported.
Too bad _VULNERABILITIES_ are discovered while exploits are created.
Feel dumb now? Oh yes you do.
Dude, you've been trolled so hard... I bet I know how you feel now Signature removed not EVE related - Adida |
Sellmewarez
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Posted - 2010.04.24 08:28:00 -
[1507]
Nuke page 50 tbh
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Yoshite McLulzypants
Gallente People called Romanes they go the house
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Posted - 2010.04.24 08:55:00 -
[1508]
Posting in a fantastic thread. Better than the OJ Simpson trial tbh. Can't wait to see how this will be dealt with.
+1 would read again!
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar Vahrokh Consulting
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Posted - 2010.04.24 09:00:00 -
[1509]
Edited by: Vaerah Vahrokha on 24/04/2010 09:02:18
Quote:
How can them be "REGULAR" players if they don't do the most basic 101 of using a directional scanner? And yet use ships that have NO chance to escape, that is ships where using the directional scanner is vital?
Coz they are regular and can't autospam direct scan every 20ms and react. Stop be fat troll and read thread from the start
I am not trolling.
People going in 0.0:
- with battleships
- without friends protecting their systems
- refusing to use basic precautions like everyone else in case of no friends like leaving a scout at gate.
are not REGULAR. They are bad noobs who think to be unique snowflakes outside of the PvP rules. They deserve to lose what they got. It's 0.0 not hi sec. Furthermore they RELY on a QUASI-EXPLOIT (logoffski) and not on local, to save their way slow to warp ships.
Most impressive feat has been to immediately break the EULA and crack the client without a secound thought, instead of playing like a team and deny further aggressions. This is why I am "trolling" here, because people immediately resorted to EULA break instead of playing like normal customers. Imagine if in RL someone breaks your car and you (knowing the police won't kill and torture him) immediately take a gun and shot him down "because the police will be bland, the judge incompetent".
Quote:
In any real world court of law all this evidence would land all these people in jail.
In any real court, there's a super-partes judge. Here there's CCP.
Yes, exactly those who are being flamed in every possible way since 40+ pages. Accusing the judge and vandalizing his house to convince him of how he has to decide and NOW would also land some other people in jail.
Quote:
People don't tend to use direct scanners when there are no hostiles in local, or the local is simply empty, there is no reason to do so.
So, someone is on a killing spree and known to abuse the system yet they keep acting like before? And instead of acting like *everyone else do* against pirates (form intel channels, go in groups of 4-5 then start reporting the guy while you CAN defend yourself even if he cheats) they take it as excuse to hack the client?
Quote:
If not paying attention to local is so critical to survival then why would you need a cheat to kill a player at the keyboard?
It's two different issues. The former has already been discussed enough, the latter is an illegal practice invented to combat something aptly named "logoffski" (notice how even the traditional name points at the known users of it). The logoffski is another thing that should be classed as exploit but cannot because it cannot be proven. So I suppose one day someone got driven to crime to fight those who use it.
Curiously, those who hacked the game to prove his crime also chose to act exactly like Monkey: fight crime with crime and two wrongs don't make 1 right.
Quote:
Then some *sshole uses an exploit or hack to destroy the items that I purchased with CASH and takes those items. It is THIEF and WILL BE DEALT WITH.
You don't purchase anything, since by the EULA everything is CCP's property. You purchase ability to log in, that is a time slot on the game, which you can turn into money. Nothing becomes yours except ability to log in.
This is also why RMT is fought: RMTers convince others that CCP's property is theirs and therefore they can sell CCP's property factually committing a *real life* theft of virtual property. - Auditing & consulting
When looking for investors, please read http://tinyurl.com/n5ys4h + http://tinyurl.com/lrg4oz
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Oriental express
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Posted - 2010.04.24 09:41:00 -
[1510]
I hope all of the cheaters are banned.
Simple
looking forward to the update on the situation ccp |
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Ranka Mei
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.04.24 09:42:00 -
[1511]
Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha
People going in 0.0:
- with battleships
- without friends protecting their systems
- refusing to use basic precautions like everyone else in case of no friends like leaving a scout at gate.
are not REGULAR. They are bad noobs who think to be unique snowflakes outside of the PvP rules. They deserve to lose what they got. It's 0.0 not hi sec.
Been hearing this rationale a lot: they deserve what they have coming because (pick your choice) A) they're just lowlife macro-miners, B) they're just stupid noobs and therefore deserve to get the exploit-axe.
Thing of it is, though, you're not supposed to cheat; you're not supposed to hack the client to kill friend or foe, noob or expert. What part of "Don't!" find people so hard to understand after 50 pages?
Quote:
Most impressive feat has been to immediately break the EULA and crack the client without a secound thought, instead of playing like a team and deny further aggressions. This is why I am "trolling" here, because people immediately resorted to EULA break instead of playing like normal customers.
Wait! I think you got this deal worked backwards! :) Enter Robin 'Monkeyman' Hood with, as reported, an exploit to swiftly kill alleged macro-miners (which turned out to be regular folk who launched a complaint; go figure). The victims in this concocted a proof-of-concept and demonstrated how it could be done on the test server. Personally not something I would have done, as, therewith, they're also showing to know, and have done, a wee more than the EULA allows. CCP will deal with whomever they feel needs dealing with, no doubt. I just want members of PL to stop using an exploit on the real EVE server, where the real game is played, and where it really matters. -- Gorgeous, delicious, deculture! |
Gnulpie
Minmatar Miner Tech
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Posted - 2010.04.24 10:31:00 -
[1512]
I am pis**d off with this sort of sh*t!
It ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS happens. Might it be buggy 10/10 complexes, pos material exploits, bots, client hacks and and and... This is going on for YEARS!
Cut stuff like new eve gate and FIX THIS GAME INSTEAD!! |
Thatkidnamedrocky
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.04.24 10:37:00 -
[1513]
Originally by: Gnulpie I am pis**d off with this sort of sh*t!
It ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS happens. Might it be buggy 10/10 complexes, pos material exploits, bots, client hacks and and and... This is going on for YEARS!
Cut stuff like new eve gate and FIX THIS GAME INSTEAD!!
woowwowowow lets not bring eve gate into this
lets just get the bug fixed and keep eve gate
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E6o5
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Posted - 2010.04.24 10:38:00 -
[1514]
Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha Edited by: Vaerah Vahrokha on 24/04/2010 09:02:18
Quote:
How can them be "REGULAR" players if they don't do the most basic 101 of using a directional scanner? And yet use ships that have NO chance to escape, that is ships where using the directional scanner is vital?
Coz they are regular and can't autospam direct scan every 20ms and react. Stop be fat troll and read thread from the start
I am not trolling.
People going in 0.0:
- with battleships
- without friends protecting their systems
- refusing to use basic precautions like everyone else in case of no friends like leaving a scout at gate.
are not REGULAR. They are bad noobs who think to be unique snowflakes outside of the PvP rules. They deserve to lose what they got. It's 0.0 not hi sec. Furthermore they RELY on a QUASI-EXPLOIT (logoffski) and not on local, to save their way slow to warp ships.
you can get into systems via wormholes, so it wouldn't be sufficient to have scouts at the gates but you would need to constantly scan for new whs and bring scouts there ...
also i assume this exploit could be used anywhere. thus, if used by one side of a high sec war it would give that side an unfair advantage outside the rules of the game
probes or d-scan could help you to figure out that someones is closing in on you. however, in a highly populated high sec system this wouldn't help much.
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debbie harrio
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Posted - 2010.04.24 10:58:00 -
[1515]
Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha
Quote:
absolute load of tosh because I actually haven't grasped what this is all about but I'll gob off anyway like the idiot that I am.
Why would anyone use directional scanner when local is empty you fool.
May I suggest you actually read the thread instead of spouting junk.
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Jinghua
R.u.S.H. - Fanatics Ultima Rati0
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Posted - 2010.04.24 11:02:00 -
[1516]
Originally by: debbie harrio
Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha
Quote:
absolute load of tosh because I actually haven't grasped what this is all about but I'll gob off anyway like the idiot that I am.
Why would anyone use directional scanner when local is empty you fool.
May I suggest you actually read the thread instead of spouting junk.
Useless. He is just trolling here trying to cover PL exploiters.
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dumpertt
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Posted - 2010.04.24 11:02:00 -
[1517]
Originally by: Raivi I find it very funny that the people from eve-ru seem to think that I can't read what they say about me if they do it in Russian on a different website. The fact that whatever phrase they're using in Russian get translated as "the pretty boy of the square" by google makes me laugh as well. Sorry my soviet brothers, but I'm not going to get baited by a plan you hatch on a public forum that you expect me not to read.
Glad to see that CCP is on this. Hopefully they'll have a hotfix soon. If any devs or GMs involved in the investigation are interested in a detailed explanation on how to do the logon trap right just give me a shout and I'll cooperate fully.
so, what do we have here...
1. we know some monkeys can kill 4 ratters in 4 different systems in 20 minutes. 2. we don't know a super simple logon trap technique that allows to set up a perfect logon trap in 4 minutes - "worst case scenario", heh? 3. we know there is "no-local-i-am-a-monkey" exploit. 4. we know about Occam's razor - Non sunt entia multiplicanda praeter necessitatem.
so, some pretty guy claims he knows a perfect logon trap technique. Great, i say - show me how you can catch me in 4 minutes ("worst case scenario", yeah?) w/o even knowing the exact belt in the system.
some pretty guy from pl ignored.
i repeat an ask for the test, and another guy from this thread proposed himself for that test too. i don't even want to know about detail of this super-secret technique, i say, just show me - you can do that, right? right?
some pretty guy from pl ignored.
so, i ask on eve-ru for some help - let's ask that pretty guy from pl to test his great technique - just because i suppose there is more than 1 monkey in pathetic legion.
and know what? some pretty guy from pl really did notice that! "IT'S A TRAP!" - he cryes and run to eve-o.
so. the secret technique that allows to set up 4 successful logon traps in 20 minutes obviously exists, that's just my fault Raivi don't want to test it ONCE.
just one another coincedence. right?
PS just to make it clear. "красавчик из пл" = "some pretty guy from pl". we usually use "красавчик" about someone who pretends to be awesome. not offensive. and for google translator:
не прекращайте верить держись за чувство люди фонарный столб
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar Vahrokh Consulting
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Posted - 2010.04.24 11:08:00 -
[1518]
Quote:
Why would anyone use directional scanner when local is empty you fool.
May I suggest you actually read the thread instead of spouting junk.
You should actually read
"1) counter the exploit by playing carefully and with best practices like a law-less territory would suggest to do
2) In the meanwhile file complaints and petitions with CCP personnel and act with exceptional CCP permission to study, reverse engineer or whatever"
That is, if they think there's an exploit, then they should step up and consider 0.0 == WH space till the exploit is not closed.
And in the meanwhile take the steps to have the guy banned.
Quote:
Useless. He is just trolling here trying to cover PL exploiters.
IQ dropping lower by the pages count?
Quote:
Monkey and everyone even vaguely helping him should be permabanned immediately *as tangible and irrefutable proof is found and by officially certified personnel*
If this is "covering PL exploiters" then I am a yellow ladybug.
How can you EVER think that a (former, quit months ago as I can't play enough) IT alliance member can cover someone even marginally involved with kartoon...
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MatrixSkye Mk2
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.04.24 11:09:00 -
[1519]
Edited by: MatrixSkye Mk2 on 24/04/2010 11:13:25
Originally by: debbie harrio
Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha
absolute load of tosh because I actually haven't grasped what this is all about but I'll gob off anyway like the idiot that I am.
Why would anyone use directional scanner when local is empty you fool.
May I suggest you actually read the thread instead of spouting junk.
Vaerah's simply trolling. Pay no mind to him.
Grief a PVP'er. Run a mission today! |
Steve Celeste
Caldari Inglorious-Basterds
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Posted - 2010.04.24 11:12:00 -
[1520]
Just post it in the YT comments so we can level the playing field.
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Jinghua
R.u.S.H. - Fanatics Ultima Rati0
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Posted - 2010.04.24 11:15:00 -
[1521]
Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha
IQ dropping lower by the pages count?
Exactly. Not mine though. Now keep on trolling.
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SetrakDark
DarkCorp Holdings
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Posted - 2010.04.24 11:18:00 -
[1522]
Occam's razor has to be one of the most misused and misunderstood concepts.
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zljuka
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Posted - 2010.04.24 11:30:00 -
[1523]
awesome thread. Most funny thing awaits us in case Monkeysphere is banned for RMT and not for using exploit:) By now he should have enormous wallet/assets. I suggest CCP investigates in this direction first
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dumpertt
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Posted - 2010.04.24 11:33:00 -
[1524]
Originally by: SetrakDark Occam's razor has to be one of the most misused and misunderstood concepts.
that's why i call all that **** "coincedence" and don't really wait for a single ban. still - right now i'm pretty sure about monkey's space magic.
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar Vahrokh Consulting
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Posted - 2010.04.24 11:39:00 -
[1525]
Quote:
Vaerah's simply trolling. Pay no mind to him.
I am suggesting legitimate and CCP sanctioned ways both to counter the exploit and to properly address the suspect exploiter(s) to CCP.
If this is trolling, well be my guest.
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Unity Love
Caldari Dissonance Corp
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Posted - 2010.04.24 11:57:00 -
[1526]
boatsandhoes
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Prt Scr
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Posted - 2010.04.24 12:06:00 -
[1527]
I am a known paraniod, but is it possable that 'the monkey' is actualy a ccp fix to the 'bot exploit' and not an actual player, as they never say how an exploit is fixed just that it has been. If all the bots are killed off the owners have less isk to buy gametime with and will actualy have to spend real money to get their eve fix. It was probably designed by the same dev. who had the idea to make eve addictive. |
MatrixSkye Mk2
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.04.24 12:10:00 -
[1528]
Edited by: MatrixSkye Mk2 on 24/04/2010 12:16:23
Originally by: Prt Scr I am a known paraniod, but is it possable that 'the monkey' is actualy a ccp fix to the 'bot exploit' and not an actual player, as they never say how an exploit is fixed just that it has been. If all the bots are killed off the owners have less isk to buy gametime with and will actualy have to spend real money to get their eve fix. It was probably designed by the same dev. who had the idea to make eve addictive.
I guess it's possible. But he's beginning to kill players at the keyboard (ie not bots). So he seems to be a bit sloppy. Also, that would necessarily implicate a whole alliance, in this case Pandemic Legion, because when **** goes down as it has, it will stain a whole alliance in the process.
Grief a PVP'er. Run a mission today! |
Maxsim Goratiev
Gallente Imperial Tau Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.04.24 12:37:00 -
[1529]
FIX it! And ban the ****ers.
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Ellatan Deruimte
Surreal corp Stain Empire
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Posted - 2010.04.24 12:45:00 -
[1530]
Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha
Quote:
Vaerah's simply trolling. Pay no mind to him.
I am suggesting legitimate and CCP sanctioned ways both to counter the exploit and to properly address the suspect exploiter(s) to CCP.
If this is trolling, well be my guest.
The only proper way to counter the exploit is too report it to CCP in detail and provide any and all information they might need to fix it. That was already done, no details about exploit have been disclosed to the public. The Monkeysphere was petitioned to CCP 30 times before the discovery of the exploit, they didn't believe those petitions and dismissed them. We managed to show them and the entire EVE community that the exploit Monkeysphere was using is very real. In addition since he is a programmer by occupation, I'm sure he has enough technical knowledge to accomplish it.
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Romale
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.04.24 12:49:00 -
[1531]
Edited by: Romale on 24/04/2010 12:50:28
Originally by: lookatzebirdie Edited by: lookatzebirdie on 24/04/2010 06:18:25 Edited by: lookatzebirdie on 24/04/2010 06:17:25
Originally by: Romale
nope, but i read the original thread where the guy on eve-ru admitted he was botting. In my comments anyway i stopped calling russians botters russian botters, as i felt that was an unfair depiction of russian people, i know plenty of russians who are great American Citizens and deserve to be proud of their russian heritage.
So my understanding of how the russian botting community works is their implementation of communism on eve where some poor bastards slave away botting isk all day and through a high tax rate they pay for others to buy ships and pvp. Pretty typical communism exploiting the workers really.
As such i felt bolsheviks was the best term to describe the community of slavic people who automatically jumped to the aid of a guy who admitting botting, believing his word when he provided no proof and onslaught the eve-online community with its propaganda and lies. All because you felt a russian was being wronged. you did it based on race, no other reason. you wouldn't of done the same for a native french speaker or native german speaker.
Infact the way you have treated monkeysphere honestly reminds of the histories of the ****'s painting on jewish businesses based on race. In this case its not that monkeysphere is jewish, its that he's not russian.
Just my opinion anyway
I don't recall any of the russian dudes bringing monkeysphere's nationality into this at all, only their accusations about his actions. Whether they are fair or not, it is certainly not based on race. Witch hunt ? maybe. Racist witch hunt ? Not even anywhere close.
I do however remember YOU generalizing Russians as botters and generalizing Russians as bolsheviks, you HAVE brought nationality into this and while I wouldn't call it racist, it is at least xenophobic and bigoted.
As for trying to deflect from this by turning the tables and accusing the Russian crowd of racism by comparing their accusations of monkey to a NA (german facists) ZI witch hunt of the Jews ? Are you ****ing mad ? Apart from being in incredibly bad taste and hideously offensive, the comment shows you generalizing about the Russians ONCE AGAIN as you claim to know they all hate monkeysphere because he is not Russian. You really need help mate, can you actually talk about our fellow Russian Eve players without making an offensive generalization ?
you must have a problem with reading comprehension. i went through the pains of changing the language i use to cover a specific group of russians instead of all russians. The bolsheviks are very much like their ****'s in the way they jumped on monkeysphere because he's not a russian. The entire way the thread has been conducted by the bolsheviks is an absolute testimony to a deep racism that still exists in the world today. I for one will not sit here and cower in refusing to call the kettle black. I think the bolsheviks owe monkeysphere an apology
edit: you would think the eve-ru community would speak english better after loseing the coldwar
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MatrixSkye Mk2
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.04.24 13:02:00 -
[1532]
Edited by: MatrixSkye Mk2 on 24/04/2010 13:02:35
Originally by: Romale you must have a problem with reading comprehension. i went through the pains of changing the language i use to cover a specific group of russians instead of all russians. The bolsheviks are very much like their ****'s in the way they jumped on monkeysphere because he's not a russian. The entire way the thread has been conducted by the bolsheviks is an absolute testimony to a deep racism that still exists in the world today. I for one will not sit here and cower in refusing to call the kettle black. I think the bolsheviks owe monkeysphere an apology
edit: you would think the eve-ru community would speak english better after loseing the coldwar
And where's Pandemic Legion's apology for derailing and trolling this thread to hell and back? You insult a certain group of people without providing infallible evidence that they're all cheats, but when it comes to your own alliance cheaters you require a written and signed confession from Monkeydude along with an official video from the Pentagon implicating your member in any wrongdoing because otherwise it's all lies and slander. So yes, you are calling the kettle black.
Grief a PVP'er. Run a mission today! |
Ann Can
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Posted - 2010.04.24 13:10:00 -
[1533]
Originally by: Romale
edit: you would think the eve-ru community would speak english better after loseing the coldwar
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Taua Roqa
Minmatar Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2010.04.24 13:16:00 -
[1534]
did you know that if a room has too much gas in it, the gas wont ignite?
I AM THE UNPOASTER
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Bad Kroxa
Amarr Russian SOBR SOLAR FLEET
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Posted - 2010.04.24 13:27:00 -
[1535]
Originally by: Romale I think the bolsheviks owe monkeysphere an apology
Agg... your thoughts: I don't like two things: racism and nig*er!
We are not the Bolsheviks, stupid!!! Teach history and not play this game.
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Romale
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.04.24 13:33:00 -
[1536]
Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2 Edited by: MatrixSkye Mk2 on 24/04/2010 13:02:35
Originally by: Romale you must have a problem with reading comprehension. i went through the pains of changing the language i use to cover a specific group of russians instead of all russians. The bolsheviks are very much like their ****'s in the way they jumped on monkeysphere because he's not a russian. The entire way the thread has been conducted by the bolsheviks is an absolute testimony to a deep racism that still exists in the world today. I for one will not sit here and cower in refusing to call the kettle black. I think the bolsheviks owe monkeysphere an apology
edit: you would think the eve-ru community would speak english better after loseing the coldwar
And where's Pandemic Legion's apology for derailing and trolling this thread to hell and back? You insult a certain group of people without providing infallible evidence that they're all cheats, but when it comes to your own alliance cheaters you require a written and signed confession from Monkeydude along with an official video from the Pentagon implicating your member in any wrongdoing because otherwise it's all lies and slander. So yes, you are calling the kettle black
really? it sounds familiar to you? im SHOCKED, SHOCKED to hear you say that. wow you mean i'm doing what your doing? dont like it when people play fair?
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MatrixSkye Mk2
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.04.24 13:39:00 -
[1537]
Originally by: Romale dont like it when people play fair?
Ironically, this thread is about keeping the play fair . Something that apparently some of your guys just can't do.
Grief a PVP'er. Run a mission today! |
Romale
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.04.24 13:40:00 -
[1538]
Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2
Originally by: Romale dont like it when people play fair?
Ironically, this thread is about keeping the play fair . Something that apparently some of your guys just can't do.
really? seems to me y'all have this exploit down cold
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MatrixSkye Mk2
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.04.24 13:47:00 -
[1539]
Originally by: Romale
Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2
Originally by: Romale dont like it when people play fair?
Ironically, this thread is about keeping the play fair . Something that apparently some of your guys just can't do.
really? seems to me y'all have this exploit down cold
Well, we still do lack the experience in using it, something you guys seem to be on the ball with. But that's neither here nor there. Tell your buddies to start packing and maybe even give their stuffs away to corpies? . Wouldn't want it all to go to waste now, would we.
Grief a PVP'er. Run a mission today! |
Romale
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.04.24 13:51:00 -
[1540]
Edited by: Romale on 24/04/2010 13:52:40
Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2
Originally by: Romale
Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2
Originally by: Romale dont like it when people play fair?
Ironically, this thread is about keeping the play fair . Something that apparently some of your guys just can't do.
really? seems to me y'all have this exploit down cold
Well, we still do lack the experience in using it, something you guys seem to be on the ball with. But that's neither here nor there. Tell your buddies to start packing and maybe even give their stuffs away to corpies? . Wouldn't want it all to go to waste now, would we.
i have absolute faith that regardless of what happens no one will like what ccp does, except us because we have all the devs in our pockets
edit: im going to actually post something semi serious: do you really think if there was any evidence against monkeysphere what so ever he would still be in eve? you do realize you talking to kugu's boys right?
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dumpertt
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Posted - 2010.04.24 14:07:00 -
[1541]
Originally by: Romale im going to actually post something semi serious: do you really think if there was any evidence against monkeysphere what so ever he would still be in eve?
of course not, bro. coincedences are just coincedences.
i do really think btw that if no-local bug is fixed monkey will become just an ordinary monkey - not good in pvp. and that's enough. fly safe!
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Soros
D00M.
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Posted - 2010.04.24 14:25:00 -
[1542]
Wow Google Translate must be suffering under the strain from this thread over the past few days...
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Gunnanmon
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2010.04.24 14:30:00 -
[1543]
Edited by: Gunnanmon on 24/04/2010 14:31:59
This is too much, now "Adolf ******" (the colourful German leader from last century) is a banned phrase?
You are not serious, are you?
Edit - I'll admit, it's totally unrelated to what's going on here.
...or is it? O_o Signature locked for discussing moderation. Navigator
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romek mablung
Caldari OWS Research and Development
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Posted - 2010.04.24 15:01:00 -
[1544]
Noo...not Adolf Shicklgruber?O tempora,o mores!
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Clb
The Intersect
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Posted - 2010.04.24 15:12:00 -
[1545]
Originally by: Soros Wow Google Translate must be suffering under the strain from this thread over the past few days...
Indeed, from all the Yanks trying to translate American into English. After all, most of the Russians that have posted have better English skills than them.
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Zex Maxwell
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.04.24 15:30:00 -
[1546]
This thread is starting to get a little off topic is areas...
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Pestilent Industries
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Posted - 2010.04.24 15:31:00 -
[1547]
Holy crap PL, how many characters are you guys using to try and derail/troll this subject? Monkey has been outted, get over it. Not only is he gunna be banned, but the exploit will be fixed. Time to grow up and move on until the next exploiting scamming lieing piece of **** PL member gets caught.
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Pr1ncess Alia
Caldari Perkone
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Posted - 2010.04.24 16:18:00 -
[1548]
Originally by: Pestilent Industries Holy crap PL .ru, how many characters are you guys using to try and derail/troll this subject? Monkey Macros have been outted, get over it. Not only are they gunna be banned, but the exploit will be fixed. Time to grow up and move on until the next exploiting scamming lieing piece of **** PL .ru member gets caught.
fyp
hey, remember when .ru people were making trillions farming 8/10s? that was good times
why is it always .ru's??
I hate to paint everyone w/ one brush... (you know, like labeling an entire alliance for the alleged actions of one member) but we seem to be detecting a pattern here.
Anyone else detecting a pattern here?
"PL members on here trying to derail"!
fair
how about ".ru members on here trying to derail"
?? hmm?? seems to be a very concerted effort on your part as well to shift blame. Seems like we have MANY bans to hand out.
IF this monkey guy is guilty, ban him sure. But I'm very concerned about this other pattern here. Not one member, not one alliance, but huge swaths of the playerbase using macros to cheat, ruin the economy and unfairly change the balance of the game.
Legitimate concern. While we are running around with pitchforks and torches, let's leave no castle unburned. Especially the ones filled with god knows how many methodical cheaters.
CCP, one cheater under the radar i can understand. Dozens or more? You need to address this. "A game that is significantly nonlinear is sometimes described as being open-ended or a sandbox, and is characterized by there being no "right way" of playing the game." |
Dianeces
SiN. Corp Daisho Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.04.24 16:56:00 -
[1549]
Originally by: Clb
Originally by: Soros Wow Google Translate must be suffering under the strain from this thread over the past few days...
Indeed, from all the Yanks trying to translate American into English. After all, most of the Russians that have posted have better English skills than them.
For those of us who can actually speak it, it's taken 200 years to fix what you people broke.
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Malaclypse Muscaria
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Posted - 2010.04.24 16:57:00 -
[1550]
Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha My anus bleeds.
Why is this idiot still posting on this thread?
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FactorLT
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Posted - 2010.04.24 17:24:00 -
[1551]
you know guys... i always had big respect for PL, they always gives you adrenaline when you rouming and the scouts say there is a gang of PL in next system. you know it will be a hard fight,probably you will go home in pod ,or express. BUT I AM ashamed,even you guys are hostile, i am ashamed becourse such a grate enemy went so low...I not saying that all you guys used thes thing witch we can call it "CRIME OF WAR" The most discusting thing about it,that you trying to cover it.If i would be head of such proud and elite organisation i would kick these pathetic cheaters i would help to investigate all this crime.Now you guys going with a naked chest agains MG nest.Dont you know that the only value in life is what you are your reputanion??? You should know like a leader of such organisation what reputanion means... How all these grate pvp pilots will feel from now on, when every time your gang apairs in local,other players will shout "watch out pathetic legion is coming,perhaps they hiding cap fleet with some exploit.SHAME ON YOU p.s sorry for my poor english grama In RA we trust |
Jeneroux
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.04.24 17:37:00 -
[1552]
Invisible in local seem feasible with client side network alteration. The filtering of data which declare presence in local is possibly more than theoretical. The necessity of client side declaring presence in local is the question. Does server side check presence of player in local before allowing target routine to run?
Can be or can not be. If this can be.. then this topic is flag for CCP Dev. If can not be.. then this topic amusing to CCP Dev.
Movement to other system seem unlikely from client side. would be severe vulnerability in Eve code which allow the player client to determine location in universe. If this can be.. and if this type vulnerability exists in my organization.. I would dismiss immediately entire developer group and replace with competent people. I would regret inability to have these people podded with families and household pets and neighbors then burn down the homes.
Some in topic have explained the mechanic of logon and logoff and these explanations more probable than a person who hacks the code.
Entertaining topic except for the international prejudice where all Russians cheat. Is like saying that all French are promiscuous.. We are not promiscuous.. we are simply horny all the time. This is why I collect ships which resemble genitalia.. but I digress.. (see.. I know this word too)
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lookatzebirdie
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Posted - 2010.04.24 17:42:00 -
[1553]
Edited by: lookatzebirdie on 24/04/2010 17:42:32
Originally by: Jeneroux I would dismiss immediately entire developer group and replace with competent people. I would regret inability to have these people podded with families and household pets and neighbors then burn down the homes.
nice
anti macroer anti exploiter 100% PRO RUSSIAN :) |
Clb
The Intersect
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Posted - 2010.04.24 17:47:00 -
[1554]
Originally by: Jeneroux then burn down the homes.
Ingame, right?
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Jeneroux
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.04.24 18:00:00 -
[1555]
Originally by: Clb
Originally by: Jeneroux then burn down the homes.
Ingame, right?
Of course.. I am civilized person. This is why I play Eve.
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WhiteSavage
Ever Flow Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2010.04.24 18:01:00 -
[1556]
Oh he's cheating and he needs to be banned. And PL fools who defend him will be looked down upon as should be.
As to Russian macro's. They are a huge problem but I suggest PL create a new thread about it. An exploit is an exploit. Many many have been banned for doing much less and the guilty parties should be chopped up like the rest of them.
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Romale
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.04.24 18:22:00 -
[1557]
Originally by: WhiteSavage Oh he's cheating and he needs to be banned. And PL fools who defend him will be looked down upon as should be.
As to Russian macro's. They are a huge problem but I suggest PL create a new thread about it. An exploit is an exploit. Many many have been banned for doing much less and the guilty parties should be chopped up like the rest of them.
NO im sorry i dont want the eve community to look down upon me or pl forgive me please
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Ranka Mei
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.04.24 18:46:00 -
[1558]
Edited by: Ranka Mei on 24/04/2010 18:46:38
Originally by: Romale
Originally by: WhiteSavage Oh he's cheating and he needs to be banned. And PL fools who defend him will be looked down upon as should be.
As to Russian macro's. They are a huge problem but I suggest PL create a new thread about it. An exploit is an exploit. Many many have been banned for doing much less and the guilty parties should be chopped up like the rest of them.
NO im sorry i dont want the eve community to look down upon me or pl forgive me please
Yes, yes, poke fun. One thing is certain, though, from now on people will look at your Alliance Tournament victories a little differently. -- Gorgeous, delicious, deculture! |
Grath Telkin
Amarr Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.04.24 18:48:00 -
[1559]
Originally by: WhiteSavage Oh he's cheating and he needs to be banned. And PL fools who defend him will be looked down upon as should be.
SWEET, finally a man that sounds like he knows exactly what's going on!
So, what proof did you find that Monkey is cheating?
You sound so sure, you must have something right?
...
Right?
Man, you should be careful, or your unfounded smear campaign could result in people looking down on Atlas, as it should be.
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Romale
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.04.24 18:58:00 -
[1560]
Originally by: Ranka Mei Edited by: Ranka Mei on 24/04/2010 18:46:38
Originally by: Romale
Originally by: WhiteSavage Oh he's cheating and he needs to be banned. And PL fools who defend him will be looked down upon as should be.
As to Russian macro's. They are a huge problem but I suggest PL create a new thread about it. An exploit is an exploit. Many many have been banned for doing much less and the guilty parties should be chopped up like the rest of them.
NO im sorry i dont want the eve community to look down upon me or pl forgive me please
Yes, yes, poke fun. One thing is certain, though, from now on people will look at your Alliance Tournament victories a little differently.
im still waiting for why this matters?
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Ranka Mei
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.04.24 19:00:00 -
[1561]
Originally by: Grath Telkin
So, what proof did you find that Monkey is cheating?
Ever since post 1 of this thread, people have been reporting Monkeyman as having done stuff which is impossible under normal gameplay. All y'all have been dismissing or ridiculing such reports, so there's little use in pointing you to those posts again.
CCP is investigating. If even *any* of those reports can be proven, he will be banned. Even if CCP can't directly prove wrongdoing (lack of relevant server log info, for example), they'll at least fix the exploit. And then, and someone said earlier, you'll suddenly see Monkeyman's killstats return to that of a normal player. Neither scenario is going to be very pretty. -- Gorgeous, delicious, deculture! |
Ranka Mei
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.04.24 19:06:00 -
[1562]
Originally by: Romale
Originally by: Ranka Mei
Yes, yes, poke fun. One thing is certain, though, from now on people will look at your Alliance Tournament victories a little differently.
im still waiting for why this matters?
Actually, it doesn't. At least not to me. Most corps care about their reputation, though, is all. I thought you guys did too. -- Gorgeous, delicious, deculture! |
Grath Telkin
Amarr Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.04.24 19:23:00 -
[1563]
Originally by: Ranka Mei
Originally by: Grath Telkin
So, what proof did you find that Monkey is cheating?
Ever since post 1 of this thread, people have been reporting Monkeyman as having done stuff which is impossible under normal gameplay. All y'all have been dismissing or ridiculing such reports, so there's little use in pointing you to those posts again.
So, just to be clear:
Your witness statements are obviously true, because you said so, but our witness statements, are obviously lies, also because you said so.
That totally sounds legit.
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Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2010.04.24 19:25:00 -
[1564]
I see that the thread has finally crossed over to a full blown CAOD rant.
Originally by: CCP Zymurgist Get off the forums and go kill someone!
Originally by: Amarr Supremacist Yeah, it(Jaguar) almost has cruiser level tank and gank!
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Romale
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.04.24 19:59:00 -
[1565]
As this thread has wound down and is pretty terrible i'm going to quote the place that does the bots for you so you guys can figure out whats going on. I'm not going to post the link because that will probably get me banned but some of you are smart enough to find this using google, and some of you might be smart enough to realize botters can and always will be ****ed.
Originally by: Chameleon hello everyone! i have a problem with bot killers. i believe not only me. the problem is: then hostile enter the system bot run on NotWhiteListPilot to SSpot(pos in my example). If bot arrive to SSpot while hostile in local, bot switch to wait some time in ss after hostile leave local. But if hostile leave local while bot IN Warp to SS, bot didn't switch to WAIT and warp to NEXT belt or even FIRST Belt in list. So what we have summary: Hostile enter system, warp to any belt and logoff in warp. Bot run to SS cause Hostile enter the system. Arrive to SS and as local is clear it warp to next belt. hostile login back on belt. looking: if bot not in belt, logoff for a 1-2 min again. bot arrive in next belt from SS and back to SS then hostile login back. and again back to next belt from SS cause Hostile is logedoff and bot don't switch to Wait timer. so in 1-10 tries bot will warp directly to the belt with botkiller and if they use scanner in first enter and know the group of belts where the bot was then they enter, they can kill bot in 1-3 tries. :cry:
so i don't know where i can write delay for "ANYWAY wait on SS for few min IF hostile enter system just for few seconds and warp after to random belt"
Originally by: CyberTech It doesn't wait at all, in any case, unless you added it yourself. There is always, even with a wait, the potential for someone to simply logout in a belt... that's why we say don't bot afk. It gets you banned or blown up
The dev version has improved behavior in this regard, but there will never be a foolproof way around folks who want to blow you up
and just incase some of you are to stupid to have followed this from the start: the guy who did original complaint said he botted
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Grath Telkin
Amarr Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.04.24 20:07:00 -
[1566]
Edited by: Grath Telkin on 24/04/2010 20:07:34
Originally by: Romale As this thread has wound down and is pretty terrible i'm going to quote the place that does the bots for you so you guys can figure out whats going on. I'm not going to post the link because that will probably get me banned but some of you are smart enough to find this using google, and some of you might be smart enough to realize botters can and always will be ****ed.
Originally by: Chameleon hello everyone! i have a problem with bot killers. i believe not only me. the problem is: then hostile enter the system bot run on NotWhiteListPilot to SSpot(pos in my example). If bot arrive to SSpot while hostile in local, bot switch to wait some time in ss after hostile leave local. But if hostile leave local while bot IN Warp to SS, bot didn't switch to WAIT and warp to NEXT belt or even FIRST Belt in list. So what we have summary: Hostile enter system, warp to any belt and logoff in warp. Bot run to SS cause Hostile enter the system. Arrive to SS and as local is clear it warp to next belt. hostile login back on belt. looking: if bot not in belt, logoff for a 1-2 min again. bot arrive in next belt from SS and back to SS then hostile login back. and again back to next belt from SS cause Hostile is logedoff and bot don't switch to Wait timer. so in 1-10 tries bot will warp directly to the belt with botkiller and if they use scanner in first enter and know the group of belts where the bot was then they enter, they can kill bot in 1-3 tries. :cry:
so i don't know where i can write delay for "ANYWAY wait on SS for few min IF hostile enter system just for few seconds and warp after to random belt"
Originally by: CyberTech It doesn't wait at all, in any case, unless you added it yourself. There is always, even with a wait, the potential for someone to simply logout in a belt... that's why we say don't bot afk. It gets you banned or blown up
The dev version has improved behavior in this regard, but there will never be a foolproof way around folks who want to blow you up
and just incase some of you are to stupid to have followed this from the start: the guy who did original complaint said he botted
NO DAMN IT! IT STILL HAD A FEW DAYS LEFT IN IT
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FactorLT
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Posted - 2010.04.24 20:29:00 -
[1567]
Originally by: Grath Telkin
Originally by: WhiteSavage Oh he's cheating and he needs to be banned. And PL fools who defend him will be looked down upon as should be.
SWEET, finally a man that sounds like he knows exactly what's going on!
So, what proof did you find that Monkey is cheating?
You sound so sure, you must have something right?
...
Right?
Man, you should be careful, or your unfounded smear campaign could result in people looking down on Atlas, as it should be.
You just pretend stupid?or you are? but i gues its not the case...you just one of the guys who new about it In beggining you said its just your superior tactics and skill,now you changed melody to " proove, proove it,you cant proove ****,ya ya expoit exist but proof we did it... So why the f.... thes thread came up? not becourse someone found a bug,but becourse you damn cheaters (dont mean all PL) but the primat and the others who cover it got reported becourse of killing regular players.So cut the drama, i hope all you will be banned,becourse of you SUCH a grate aliance started to smell like **** In RA we trust |
Stonie001101
Stonie001101 Holding's
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Posted - 2010.04.24 20:37:00 -
[1568]
they are accused of cheating in 1 or 2 of their killboard mails a day even before this thread was made.
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Psychotic Maniac
Caldari Head Shrinkers
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Posted - 2010.04.24 20:42:00 -
[1569]
I lost all respect(be it very little) for PL. Not cause some guy in thier alliance is cheating. Because some of them are trying to defend it. Monkey got busted, get over it.
I'm quite certain had any of them been a victim to this expoilt they would be singing a different tune.
I don't like macro's. But, you know the old saying. Two wrongs don't make a right. Becides, it's evident that most of his targets were not macro's.
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hattifnatt
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.04.24 21:31:00 -
[1570]
Originally by: FactorLT
You just pretend stupid?or you are? but i gues its not the case...you just one of the guys who new about it In beggining you said its just your superior tactics and skill,now you changed melody to " proove, proove it,you cant proove ****,ya ya expoit exist but proof we did it... So why the f.... thes thread came up? not becourse someone found a bug,but becourse you damn cheaters (dont mean all PL) but the primat and the others who cover it got reported becourse of killing regular players.So cut the drama, i hope all you will be banned,becourse of you SUCH a grate aliance started to smell like ****
Yes, because at first noone in pl knew about the existence of an exploit until nunununu created one just to prove monkeysphere was using it.
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Neo Gabriel
Gallente Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.04.24 21:40:00 -
[1571]
Edited by: Neo Gabriel on 24/04/2010 21:41:20 CCP is gonna ban you all and say they found a way to check the logs.
I always thought the no logs thing is bull **** so they can cover themselves. They know when people lag out when loading grid they just say nothing shows on the logs to shut people up and not have to reimburse them.
It always shows on the logs. Maybe they don't have logs of packet delays or denials but they don't have to prove to us that "the logs don't show anything", they can just ban the cheaters and say they have evidence and they don't have to prove anything to anyone.
PS: I bet they are waiting to have the exploit fixed before the bans to prevent a counter attack.
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FactorLT
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Posted - 2010.04.24 21:41:00 -
[1572]
Yes, because at first noone in pl knew about the existence of an exploit until nunununu created one just to prove monkeysphere was using it
Yes ofcorse,monkey is super ninja, and huhuhu just really wanted to find a bug to prove monkey is not a super hero , but just a pathetic cheater.I understand to cover your corpmate,or ally m8 is noble,but in thes situation the thing is out of control,and only one way to control damage witch primate made not to me,or to other players,but to you and other of your ally mates is to get rid of these element and give evidense to public,that yes we made our own investigation,nobody believed it but its true.At least these pilots of yours who have nothing to do with thes embaresment will safe face. In RA we trust |
Franga
NQX Innovations
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Posted - 2010.04.24 22:09:00 -
[1573]
Originally by: Nata Asphyxia
Originally by: Sabrosa Namaste well as someone who was in PL for a long time (and I probably wont remain anonymous for long) the monkeysphere has long been known to not appear in local, story goes his internet was crappy (from estonia) and after some research he somehow figured out how to make his connection to the eve server without appearing in local, he's been killing unkillable farmers for years, and does it without appearing in local on either of his chars, go look at his history of kills on the PL killboard and you'll see what I mean, the rumours about this started in PL 2 or so years ago, If I'm wrong then my bad but from what I've seen I was pretty convinced of his ability to not appear in local.
Cool story bro. I can assure you that here, in Estonia we have pretty good connection (proof) I live far from town in a private house and still have my 12Mbit/s, probably will have switched to 100Mbit/s by 2011.
How is it that a country like Estonia can get that kind of connection speed, but not in Australia. So ghey.
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hattifnatt
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.04.24 22:16:00 -
[1574]
Originally by: FactorLT
Yes, because at first noone in pl knew about the existence of an exploit until nunununu created one just to prove monkeysphere was using it
Yes ofcorse,monkey is super ninja, and huhuhu just really wanted to find a bug to prove monkey is not a super hero , but just a pathetic cheater.I understand to cover your corpmate,or ally m8 is noble,but in thes situation the thing is out of control,and only one way to control damage witch primate made not to me,or to other players,but to you and other of your ally mates is to get rid of these element and give evidense to public,that yes we made our own investigation,nobody believed it but its true.At least these pilots of yours who have nothing to do with thes embaresment will safe face.
I am unsure what to make of this post as your google translate English while funny is really quite incomprehensible. also: the only thing that will come out of this is that nunununu will have his accounts permabanned. And as has been stated before no one have proved spherical monkey has used the exploit that nunununu has presented (and will probably be banned for.)
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Pr1ncess Alia
Caldari Perkone
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Posted - 2010.04.24 22:19:00 -
[1575]
Originally by: Neo Gabriel Edited by: Neo Gabriel on 24/04/2010 21:41:20 CCP is gonna ban you all and say they found a way to check the logs.
PS: I bet they are waiting to have the exploit fixed before the bans to prevent a counter attack.
are you serious? or do you really think this way for real? "A game that is significantly nonlinear is sometimes described as being open-ended or a sandbox, and is characterized by there being no "right way" of playing the game." |
Lanais Suleia
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Posted - 2010.04.24 22:21:00 -
[1576]
Edited by: Lanais Suleia on 24/04/2010 22:23:08
Originally by: Romale As this thread has wound down and is pretty terrible i'm going to quote the place that does the bots for you so you guys can figure out whats going on.
***snip***
So the botters admit that they're botters. Now if we can only get the exploiters to admit they're exploiting, the rest of us can get back to playing Eve without having scum like you and them around.
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Romale
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.04.24 22:24:00 -
[1577]
Originally by: Lanais Suleia Edited by: Lanais Suleia on 24/04/2010 22:23:08
Originally by: Romale As this thread has wound down and is pretty terrible i'm going to quote the place that does the bots for you so you guys can figure out whats going on.
***snip***
i guess you weren't one of the people who could read and figure it out
So the botters admit that they're botters. Now if we can only get the exploiters to admit they're exploiting, the rest of us can get back to playing Eve without having scum like you and them around.
edit: Word filter shouldn't care about that word.
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Captain Mastiff
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Posted - 2010.04.24 22:30:00 -
[1578]
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
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Neo Gabriel
Gallente Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.04.24 22:31:00 -
[1579]
I am pretty sure that "open-ended" and "no right way to play" is not supposed to mean you can use hacks to cheat and take advantage over other people.
Neither does it mean, that you can write and use macros to abuse the game engine.
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FactorLT
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Posted - 2010.04.24 22:43:00 -
[1580]
I am unsure what to make of this post as your google translate English while funny is really quite incomprehensible. also: the only thing that will come out of this is that nunununu will have his accounts permabanned. And as has been stated before no one have proved spherical monkey has used the exploit that nunununu has presented (and will probably be banned for.)
Listen m8 i dont use google translator,i speak flueant english(at least turist english),just my grama is quit bad,since i havent write in this language for really long time.Them huhuhu demonstrated bug on sisi not tq.If he would be a cheater it wouldnt be in hes interests to point the bug.Now you will say he brought it to light becourse all russians are macro and protecting hes income... its same like to say that al of you Pandemics are just a bunch of cheaters, witch i believe is not true.I dont think there less macros from your side or any other side,in case i know there lots of them just go to geminate to r.a.g.e,morsus spaces or go to deep insmother to atlas or HTA space you find them everywhere.I agree its evil,but now we not talking about them its other problem witch should be dealt with,we talking about "primat magic" and as i am a pvp pilot i dont give a f... about ships and isk witch i lose till then until it was FAIR FIGT,if i lost-i made a mistake,noone to blaim,but if someone have that kind of advantage its the same like aim bot on counter-strike.So stop pointing that russians are macros,stop the bulls... that primat is super pvper and all other jut a bunch of loosers and now **** what to do in the battle...Just... why i am still answering your posts? for me and for most of eve comunity PL is ally witch covers cheaters-means most of them are cheaters...should be so if they covering it.SHAME ON YOU In RA we trust |
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Vincent Gaines
Macabre Votum
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Posted - 2010.04.24 23:14:00 -
[1581]
ban everyone.
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Rellik B00n
Minmatar Lethal Death Squad
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Posted - 2010.04.24 23:37:00 -
[1582]
780 - 778 half time score. + LDSkill+hireLDS |
Dianeces
SiN. Corp Daisho Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.04.24 23:38:00 -
[1583]
Ban bans and the banners who ban them.
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Pr1ncess Alia
Caldari Perkone
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Posted - 2010.04.24 23:38:00 -
[1584]
Originally by: Neo Gabriel I am pretty sure that "open-ended" and "no right way to play" is not supposed to mean you can use hacks to cheat and take advantage over other people.
Neither does it mean, that you can write and use macros to abuse the game engine.
did you just reply to my sig?
yes, you just replied to my sig.
not the smartest steak knife in the drawer are we?
"A game that is significantly nonlinear is sometimes described as being open-ended or a sandbox, and is characterized by there being no "right way" of playing the game." |
Pestilent Industries
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Posted - 2010.04.25 00:12:00 -
[1585]
Originally by: Grath Telkin
Originally by: WhiteSavage Oh he's cheating and he needs to be banned. And PL fools who defend him will be looked down upon as should be.
SWEET, finally a man that sounds like he knows exactly what's going on!
So, what proof did you find that Monkey is cheating?
You sound so sure, you must have something right?
...
Right?
Man, you should be careful, or your unfounded smear campaign could result in people looking down on Atlas, as it should be.
The proof is in the pudding. Monkey is guilt and will be banned along with his other PL accomplishes who also abuse the game. And don't worry, everyone looks down on PL, you have nothing to worry about.
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Billybob Braggins
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Posted - 2010.04.25 00:15:00 -
[1586]
Quoting Hammurabi,
"Build this glorious thread the largest of them all! Let this rant reach the skies, and may it never fade from the first page."
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Neo Gabriel
Gallente Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.04.25 00:48:00 -
[1587]
You think there is a chance of resolution of this during the weekend? Does ccp even work during the weekend? I guess we gotta wait till Monday to maybe get the final score.
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kaisersauzee
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Posted - 2010.04.25 01:15:00 -
[1588]
Originally by: Neo Gabriel You think there is a chance of resolution of this during the weekend? Does ccp even work during the weekend? I guess we gotta wait till Monday to maybe get the final score.
I think you`ll find only the macros will be working 23/7 this weekend
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FactorLT
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Posted - 2010.04.25 01:42:00 -
[1589]
REAL MAGIC http://i40.tinypic.com/346aw46.gif In RA we trust |
Oscardoodle
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.04.25 02:01:00 -
[1590]
The real issue is CCP allowing Russians to play. Everyone knows Russians are evil. I once knew a Russian guy and he was pretty irritating to say the least.
P.S. Russians are Klingons. I apologize for having one of those sigs...Sorry. I've just killed two parrots with one stone. Shadow. |
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Zex Maxwell
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.04.25 02:54:00 -
[1591]
This thread needs to die now...
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KaarBaak
Minmatar Squirrel Team
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Posted - 2010.04.25 03:04:00 -
[1592]
Is this the thread where I sign up to draft monkey to run for CSM?
KB
=vinur allra manna
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Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2010.04.25 03:13:00 -
[1593]
Originally by: Neo Gabriel You think there is a chance of resolution of this during the weekend? Does ccp even work during the weekend? I guess we gotta wait till Monday to maybe get the final score.
I would say it's going to be a minimum of at least a week until ccp comments on the no local hax that have been demonstrated in this thread. However you will never ever hear anything official about if monkey was banned or not and only the ones who keep track of him in their address book will have any clue. Sorry but ccp never comments on gm actions.
Originally by: CCP Zymurgist Get off the forums and go kill someone!
Originally by: Amarr Supremacist Yeah, it(Jaguar) almost has cruiser level tank and gank!
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Morleyka RUS
Warhamsters Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.04.25 06:52:00 -
[1594]
Originally by: Oscardoodle The real issue is CCP allowing Russians to play. Everyone knows Russians are evil. I once knew a Russian guy and he was pretty irritating to say the least.
P.S. Russians are Klingons.
bu-ga-ha-ha tlhIngan maH! bIjatlh 'e' yImev -------------------------- Everybody lies ¬ Dr. House |
Lady Aja
Caldari IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.04.25 07:31:00 -
[1595]
simple fix is ...
to remove local unless you have sov lvl 4+ otherwise you dont appear in local as per wormholes.
this would not apply to any npc space IE empire or pirate factions.
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TheLordofAllandNothing
Caldari NailorTech Industries RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2010.04.25 08:34:00 -
[1596]
Originally by: Lady Aja simple fix is ...
to remove local unless you have sov lvl 4+ otherwise you dont appear in local as per wormholes.
this would not apply to any npc space IE empire or pirate factions.
I actually quite like this idea...
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Neo Gabriel
Gallente Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.04.25 08:35:00 -
[1597]
I like Aja's idea.
Having a delayed local like in WH if you are in a 0.0 system where there isn't a sov module (maybe lvl3+?) or its not a pirate faction space makes sense.
This is done and suddenly 0.0 space is dangerous and fun again. Bots can happily macro in their sov systems, carebears can mine and run plexes in peace, and pirates can have fun. You can move large fleets undetected through nullsec to execute complex and effective strategies... CCP should consider this.
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Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2010.04.25 08:48:00 -
[1598]
Originally by: Neo Gabriel I like Aja's idea.
Having a delayed local like in WH if you are in a 0.0 system where there isn't a sov module (maybe lvl3+?) or its not a pirate faction space makes sense.
This is done and suddenly 0.0 space is dangerous and fun again. Bots can happily macro in their sov systems, carebears can mine and run plexes in peace, and pirates can have fun. You can move large fleets undetected through nullsec to execute complex and effective strategies... CCP should consider this.
I always thought that should have been the function of the old system scanner. Or possibly at the other end of the spectrum you could put it in each players individual hands with a jetable anchorable beacon that replaces local with a new scanner screen that shows how many active player piloted objects are in the system. That way you could know if people jump in and that they are around but have no idea who they are or what they are in. It could of course be tweaked on how effective it is and if it is persistant like a bubble or you lose control of it if you jump system and have to redeploy. This will promote use of the d-scan and proper scouting for intel but still make it accessable to any pilot with a few m3 to spare in the cargohold to be able to have local like intel but limit it so that there is no huge passive information feed that the current model gives.
Originally by: CCP Zymurgist Get off the forums and go kill someone!
Originally by: Amarr Supremacist Yeah, it(Jaguar) almost has cruiser level tank and gank!
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Rellik B00n
Minmatar Lethal Death Squad
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Posted - 2010.04.25 09:12:00 -
[1599]
Edited by: Rellik B00n on 25/04/2010 09:13:08
oo tangential local nerf argument, where will this thread not go?
also this is a picture of the original elite scanner. it effectively worked like the tactical overlay but it sat on the bottom middle of your screen. This kind of 3d scanner, if live and set to cover a number of au sufficient to allow a switched on pilot to make a decision, would be the complete local removal solution.
edit: also could this then allow things like scanning to be dropped onto the scanner instead of opening a map screen or w/e? Plus other useful applications I cant think of right now.
+ LDSkill+hireLDS |
Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2010.04.25 09:28:00 -
[1600]
Originally by: Rellik B00n oo tangential local nerf argument, where will this thread not go?
So sue us if we are trying to get something, nay, anything positive out of this thread.
Originally by: CCP Zymurgist Get off the forums and go kill someone!
Originally by: Amarr Supremacist Yeah, it(Jaguar) almost has cruiser level tank and gank!
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Neo Gabriel
Gallente Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.04.25 09:31:00 -
[1601]
Personally, I always thought that, if you had the proper skills trained, you could have a perma scanner with a limited range, so you could auto detect any SHIP or PROBE that gets within a 1-5 AU sphere (say, auto refreshes every 3-5 seconds) of your ship. I HATE having to spam the D-Scan button, it is a horrible idea.
Use skill limitations, make a requirement to not have the ship in warp, and only allow combat ships the capability to use this (so shuttles, pods, iterons, orcas, miners etc wont have it) so it restricts the amount of load on the server.
If things like these were available, people wouldn't have to use and depend on local as an intel source, and wouldn't have to develop carpool tunnel when looking for probes, etc.
I can see the incoming cheater trolls and their "but macros will use this super scanner and NOW it will be IMPOSSIBLE to catch them even if we use our monkey cheat" rants. It's ok, your opinions will be irrelevant after you get banned.
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Huhuhuhuhuhuh
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Posted - 2010.04.25 09:46:00 -
[1602]
Originally by: Neo Gabriel I like Aja's idea.
Having a delayed local like in WH if you are in a 0.0 system where there isn't a sov module (maybe lvl3+?) or its not a pirate faction space makes sense.
This is done and suddenly 0.0 space is dangerous and fun again. Bots can happily macro in their sov systems, carebears can mine and run plexes in peace, and pirates can have fun. You can move large fleets undetected through nullsec to execute complex and effective strategies... CCP should consider this.
Problem is wormhole local is not so let's say "wormhole". Voices in my head told me that there's a reverse exploit. Which allows you to show pilots in current system. But this is not something I have tangible proof of. Its just voices.
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Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2010.04.25 09:47:00 -
[1603]
Originally by: Huhuhuhuhuhuh
Voices in my head told me that there's a reverse exploit. Which allows you to show pilots in current system. But this is not something I have tangible proof of. Its just voices.
Try turning up the vent volume.
Originally by: CCP Zymurgist Get off the forums and go kill someone!
Originally by: Amarr Supremacist Yeah, it(Jaguar) almost has cruiser level tank and gank!
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Avon
Caldari Versatech Co. Aeternus.
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Posted - 2010.04.25 09:48:00 -
[1604]
Heh, this is starting to sound like a call for the old Eve UI with the 3D scanner and the threat warning box... Signature removed, please only use English on the forums. Zymurgist Okay sweet-cheeks xxx. Avon |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar Vahrokh Consulting
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Posted - 2010.04.25 10:55:00 -
[1605]
Edited by: Vaerah Vahrokha on 25/04/2010 10:58:11
Quote:
Voices in my head told me that there's a reverse exploit. Which allows you to show pilots in current system. But this is not something I have tangible proof of. Its just voices
It's very possible. Imagine if the original design did not include cloaks or did not consider the possible consequences as worth spending additional money and require additional server load.
Edit: imagine also the "era" of when the original architecture was made and how much stringent conditions were applied (ie much lower bandwidth, slower servers, way slower DB server...).
In that case, an obvious shortcut would be to have a server maintained list of ships in the system, the clients would dynamically attach / detach off their current grid and thus see a subset of the total ships. But the cloaky ships would be fed in the local grid list to be sent to clients and just "masked out".
A relatively easy set of techniques would reveal the whole grid list including the masked out ones.
Without even the need to crack into the client, the exploiter would create (or auto-create, the facility exists for that) a bookmark with external TCP IP injection and then the bookmark would become available to warp to, the target should just have moved by few kms by then.
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Tonto Auri
Vhero' Multipurpose Corp
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Posted - 2010.04.25 13:51:00 -
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Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha Edit: imagine also the "era" of when the original architecture was made and how much stringent conditions were applied (ie much lower bandwidth, slower servers, way slower DB server...).
I've started my studies as a programmer in early '90. I've finished and graduated in the '99. The red line of our studies as interface designers and database administrators was "NEVER EVER TRUST CLIENT INPUT".
Quote: A relatively easy set of techniques would reveal the whole grid list including the masked out ones.
Grid? It's new for you that whole solarsystem is sent to client? -- Thanks CCP for cu |
Dr Karsun
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.04.25 14:15:00 -
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Edited by: Dr Karsun on 25/04/2010 14:20:33 As long as it's game content and doable... GUESS WHAT?! It's NOT a bug, it's a FEATURE!
/troll
Oh well, I've seen that done many time, especially recently when sometimes nothing except local loads after logging in for 5-10 minutes with bad luck.
EDIT: Just what come into my mind... The funnier part is when you jump and you get the waiting for clearance at the stargate - traffic control. You do get cloacked. BUT! If you quickly burn away from the gate (practically only frigs since all other modules are dead) and go out of jump range, you will stay cloacked, be able to bump people and fly around the grid. Leaving grid caused me to de-cloack when I was trying the trick. You can't do any damage since all modules are dead, you will get a text saying something like 'you can't activate modules while cloacked' nor even target people. But the 'wtf factor' when you get bumped by thin air is hillarious. Unfortunetally even if you fly away, the gate may activate suddenly and jump you even though you were 100k off the gate already. Still, it's fun even though you'r visibile in local all the time. I haven't found a way to de-cloack my self not warping away from grid.
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Psychotic Maniac
Caldari Head Shrinkers
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Posted - 2010.04.25 14:15:00 -
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The really sad thing is you know CCP will not tell anyone thier findings and reprocussions of this.
The only thing that we will know is when the fun stops. Like those gambling pamplets you see at Vegas casinos. Monkey gambled and won for a very, very long time. Finally, he's caught and time to break his legs. Yes, it really does happen. Meaning no more cheating Monkey.
CCP is going to send him on a very long journey to which there is no return.
Everyone so bye, bye to the Monkey.
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Pr1ncess Alia
Caldari Perkone
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Posted - 2010.04.25 14:43:00 -
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Originally by: Psychotic Maniac The really sad thing is you know CCP will not tell anyone thier findings and reprocussions of this.
The only thing that we will know is when the fun stops. Like those gambling pamplets you see at Vegas casinos. Monkey gambled and won for a very, very long time. Finally, he's caught and time to break his legs. Yes, it really does happen. Meaning no more cheating Monkey.
CCP is going to send him on a very long journey to which there is no return.
Everyone so bye, bye to the Monkey.
yes, no one will know what the repercussions are (if any). no one will even know if the /guilty party is guilty!
so, let's just assume guilt and concoct a fantasy world where CCP will ban him and consider the battle won!
psychotic maniac head shrinkers
you got that right is the weather nice in your world?
"A game that is significantly nonlinear is sometimes described as being open-ended or a sandbox, and is characterized by there being no "right way" of playing the game." |
Azaqui
Caldari Destructive Influence IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.04.25 15:39:00 -
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Meanwhile, on the other side of the forums:
CCP.Applebabe: Shall i just post the statement on how we fixed the bug, checked the logs, and way we will deal with those found using haxx?
CCP.Shadow: (munching popcorn) U Mad? I'm having a blast here reading this! Wait until monday, this is funnier and funnier!
CCP.Applebabe: (sighs) Alright, but only till monday DT.
(pause)
CCP.Applebabe: pass the popcorn, please.
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dischordia
Gallente wiggle Tech.
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Posted - 2010.04.25 15:49:00 -
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Originally by: Azaqui Meanwhile, on the other side of the forums:
CCP.Applebabe: Shall i just post the statement on how we fixed the bug, checked the logs, and way we will deal with those found using haxx?
CCP.Shadow: (munching popcorn) U Mad? I'm having a blast here reading this! Wait until monday, this is funnier and funnier!
CCP.Applebabe: (sighs) Alright, but only till monday DT.
(pause)
CCP.Applebabe: pass the popcorn, please.
ahhh :) made me giggle
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Ay'a
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Posted - 2010.04.25 16:23:00 -
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Remove local in Null Sec
It'd help clear up lag, make scouts have to work harder with probes, shut up that person who keeps going on and on about afk cloakers reigning terror, lead to more small scale engagements and result in some tasty, tasty tears
Problem Solved.
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dischordia
Gallente wiggle Tech.
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Posted - 2010.04.25 16:28:00 -
[1613]
Originally by: Ay'a Remove local in Null Sec Problem Solved.
why? do that and its just w/space right?
the local chans are PART of the back story of eve if you have read it
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Cunane
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Posted - 2010.04.25 16:30:00 -
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Originally by: dischordia
why? do that and its just w/space right?
the local chans are PART of the back story of eve if you have read it
Someone is scared of not being able to rat or mine risk free. These are the kind of tears I'd like to see.
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dischordia
Gallente wiggle Tech.
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Posted - 2010.04.25 16:42:00 -
[1615]
Originally by: Cunane
Originally by: dischordia
why? do that and its just w/space right?
the local chans are PART of the back story of eve if you have read it
Someone is scared of not being able to rat or mine risk free. These are the kind of tears I'd like to see.
nope im not ... currently live in high sec and i PLAY the game i dont AFK it, when i lived in 0.0 i played the game i didnt AFK it.
Anyway there is NO need to take away local.
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Deus Ex'Machina
The-Machine
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Posted - 2010.04.25 16:48:00 -
[1616]
Originally by: dischordia
Originally by: Cunane
Originally by: dischordia
why? do that and its just w/space right?
the local chans are PART of the back story of eve if you have read it
Someone is scared of not being able to rat or mine risk free. These are the kind of tears I'd like to see.
nope im not ... currently live in high sec and i PLAY the game i dont AFK it, when i lived in 0.0 i played the game i didnt AFK it.
Anyway there is NO need to take away local.
Local is a chatting tool, it should not be used for info gathering / threat assessment :) Removing local would not remove the chat component, while the info component could be duck taped to the ship in a more creative and rp friendly way.
Thus removing the first exploit noted in this thread. - Arkanon: EXPLAIN YOURSELF, EVILDOER! Sharkbait: Dude. |
Kadesh Priestess
Scalding Chill
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Posted - 2010.04.25 16:52:00 -
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Edited by: Kadesh Priestess on 25/04/2010 16:53:05
Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha stuff
Your attempts to justify hacks usage by broken game mechanics are ridiculous. Please stop that.
edit: i do agree with you that this mechanic is broken in some meaning, but i'd *never* use it as excuse.
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Rakshasa Taisab
Caldari Sane Industries Inc. Initiative Mercenaries
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Posted - 2010.04.25 16:52:00 -
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Edited by: Rakshasa Taisab on 25/04/2010 16:55:33
Originally by: Deus Ex'Machina Local is a chatting tool, it should not be used for info gathering / threat assessment :) Removing local would not remove the chat component, while the info component could be duck taped to the ship in a more creative and rp friendly way.
Thus removing the first exploit noted in this thread.
Directional scan bots becoming mandatory for 0.0 life is _SUCH A GOOD IDEA ONLY A TRUE GENIUS WOULD SUGGEST IT_.
Congratulation, you've just won the TRUE GENIUS award and pegged all the server nodes at 100% CPU usage at the same time. Don't you feel special? I know I would.
Now if no devs ever had said they wanted proper scanning tools implemented before removing local, it would also be a novel idea.
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Psychotic Maniac
Caldari Head Shrinkers
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Posted - 2010.04.25 16:56:00 -
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Originally by: Ay'a Remove local in Null Sec
It'd help clear up lag, make scouts have to work harder with probes, shut up that person who keeps going on and on about afk cloakers reigning terror, lead to more small scale engagements and result in some tasty, tasty tears
Problem Solved.
This isn't about how to fix something. Current mechancis have visual local. This is about someone using a hack, exploit to hide from local. Until CCP changes the game to hide local(which they wont). Then, it would be fair to all.
Nothing fair about using an exploit.
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WhiteSavage
Ever Flow Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2010.04.25 16:59:00 -
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Originally by: Grath Telkin
Originally by: WhiteSavage Oh he's cheating and he needs to be banned. And PL fools who defend him will be looked down upon as should be.
SWEET, finally a man that sounds like he knows exactly what's going on!
So, what proof did you find that Monkey is cheating?
You sound so sure, you must have something right?
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Right?
Man, you should be careful, or your unfounded smear campaign could result in people looking down on Atlas, as it should be.
Smear campaign? I only posted once.. o the 53rd page of this thread. Your flailing attempt at desperate trolling is foolish and in bad taste. An exploit such as this effects you as well as everyone else. Spamming this thread with your half-wit cries of "unfair!" Does nothing but make you look the fool you are.
If monkey is not cheating then by gaw he should continue pvping... and using his super "non-cheat tactic." Many people have laid down proof, and the number of people alone pointing fingers at you Pandemic Legion clowns makes one suspicious... at the VERY least.
Stop denying everything and let monkey speak for himself. Otherwise shutup, nobody cares what you have to say.
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Orephia
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Posted - 2010.04.25 17:00:00 -
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Originally by: Ay'a Remove local in Null Sec Problem Solved.
Yes & no. Always thought no local in wh was good, & may have even been a ccp first step toward implementing it eventually in nullsec too. No local in wh space has probably contributed to its popularity, & I think would increase the number of players willing to explore nullsec, which would be good for all involved.
But the exploit would still exist in all other regions. And there is a likelihood that there are further features, available thru the same method that has been demonstrated, but have not yet been publicly revealed. The way the client & server exchange info needs to be fixed |
Deus Ex'Machina
The-Machine
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Posted - 2010.04.25 17:14:00 -
[1622]
Originally by: Rakshasa Taisab Edited by: Rakshasa Taisab on 25/04/2010 16:55:33 Directional scan bots becoming mandatory for 0.0 life is _SUCH A GOOD IDEA ONLY A TRUE GENIUS WOULD SUGGEST IT_.
Congratulation, you've just won the TRUE GENIUS award and pegged all the server nodes at 100% CPU usage at the same time. Don't you feel special? I know I would.
Now if no devs ever had said they wanted proper scanning tools implemented before removing local, it would also be a novel idea.
The directional scanner is a primitive tool, converting it into a simple 3d sphere that tracks all player related objects outside the grid would suffice.
Suggesting that the directional scanner needs to be kept in its current form makes you a troll ^^ - Arkanon: EXPLAIN YOURSELF, EVILDOER! Sharkbait: Dude. |
Seh Cunderri
Mythos Corp RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2010.04.25 17:19:00 -
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I agree that the best solution to the problem would be to remove local in 0.0 space.
It will get more exciting, tricky, harder for bots, less lag, no "does not appear in local" cheats
It's perfect
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Aspherical
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Posted - 2010.04.25 17:21:00 -
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Compared a WH and nullsec system, the 0.0 has one big disadvantage, people can roll 10 jumps in 10 minutes, but rolling on a killing spree in WH needs a lot of probingtime
He posted 2 videos on Youtube by his own, that simply show that it is an exploit
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Tonto Auri
Vhero' Multipurpose Corp
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Posted - 2010.04.25 17:25:00 -
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Originally by: Seh Cunderri I agree that the best solution to the problem would be to remove local in 0.0 space.
It will get more exciting, tricky, harder for bots, less lag, no "does not appear in local" cheats
It's perfect
/pondering the sanity of those stating "no local = less lags". How much lag your regular IRC client creating? -- Thanks CCP for cu |
BigMouth InLocal
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Posted - 2010.04.25 17:33:00 -
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I forget who, but, someone asked for a locator....
Quote: I found The Monkeysphere for you From: **** ********** Sent: 2010.04.25 17:23
The sleazebag is currently at KFIE-Z VIII - Moon 18 - Blood Raiders Logistic Support station in the KFIE-Z system, XPJ1-6 constellation of Delve region.
With regards,
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Exlegion
Caldari Salva Veritate
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Posted - 2010.04.25 18:03:00 -
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Interesting thread. I'm curious as to The Monkeysphere will be able to keep up his killing spree after this issue has been shed some light.
If he is not cheating then he should have no problems maintaining the unbelievably impressive stats on his killboard.
One of us equals many of us. Disrespect one of us, you'll see plenty of us. - Gang Starr |
zljuka
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Posted - 2010.04.25 18:18:00 -
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Originally by: Ay'a Remove local in Null Sec
It'd help clear up lag, make scouts have to work harder with probes, shut up that person who keeps going on and on about afk cloakers reigning terror, lead to more small scale engagements and result in some tasty, tasty tears
Problem Solved.
This would also solve problem of macrobotters
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romek mablung
Caldari OWS Research and Development
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Posted - 2010.04.25 18:35:00 -
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Edited by: romek mablung on 25/04/2010 18:36:55 Nowadays modern bots,i HEARD are so advanced,they are actually better,then AVG beltgrinder,if set up properly.To bots scan directional every 1-0 sec RANDOM 23/7 is apparently no big deal.Only pilots actually be hit with no local 0.0 are occasional/more greedier belt hunters-miners in empty systems.for rest of 0.0...me think,if you have strong souverignity.there must be some sort of local..let it be upgrade module starting sov 4
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Grath Telkin
Amarr Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.04.25 18:38:00 -
[1630]
Originally by: WhiteSavage
Originally by: Grath Telkin
Originally by: WhiteSavage Oh he's cheating and he needs to be banned. And PL fools who defend him will be looked down upon as should be.
SWEET, finally a man that sounds like he knows exactly what's going on!
So, what proof did you find that Monkey is cheating?
You sound so sure, you must have something right?
...
Right?
Man, you should be careful, or your unfounded smear campaign could result in people looking down on Atlas, as it should be.
Smear campaign? I only posted once.. o the 53rd page of this thread. Your flailing attempt at desperate trolling is foolish and in bad taste. An exploit such as this effects you as well as everyone else. Spamming this thread with your half-wit cries of "unfair!" Does nothing but make you look the fool you are.
If monkey is not cheating then by gaw he should continue pvping... and using his super "non-cheat tactic." Many people have laid down proof, and the number of people alone pointing fingers at you Pandemic Legion clowns makes one suspicious... at the VERY least.
Stop denying everything and let monkey speak for himself. Otherwise shutup, nobody cares what you have to say.
What, I can't hear you over the sound of all the baseless accusations, random speculation, and biased witness testimony (you see, its biased, because one side is screaming he did it, and the other is screaming he didn't, and only the first sides witness are allowed to be true....on the basis of just because) so your going to have to speak up a bit.
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AkJon Ferguson
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Posted - 2010.04.25 19:49:00 -
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CCP must ban the Monkeyspank and the rest of Not Cheaters, What? forthwith. Pathetic Liars trolling notwithstanding, the evidence against him is overwhelming. Offer conditional immunity to that rat with forum access and then go to town on the rest of the weasels.
That is all.
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Grath Telkin
Amarr Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.04.25 20:01:00 -
[1632]
Originally by: Grath Telkin
What, I can't hear you over the sound of all the baseless accusations, random speculation, and biased witness testimony (you see, its biased, because one side is screaming he did it, and the other is screaming he didn't, and only the first sides witness are allowed to be true....on the basis of just because) so your going to have to speak up a bit.
Originally by: AkJon Ferguson CCP must ban the Monkeyspank and the rest of Not Cheaters, What? forthwith. Pathetic Liars trolling notwithstanding, the evidence against him is overwhelming. Offer conditional immunity to that rat with forum access and then go to town on the rest of the weasels.
That is all.
yea, like that, that is exactly what i meant, thanks
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Lady Spank
Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta
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Posted - 2010.04.25 20:24:00 -
[1633]
Awesome thread. ~_~
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Homo Erectus
Evolution IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.04.25 20:29:00 -
[1634]
Originally by: Grath Telkin there are no exploits in monkeysphere
HEY GRATH, YOUR VAIN ATTEMPTS AT DAMAGE CONTROL HAVE BEEN ENTERTAINING SIR. PERHAPS SOMEDAY YOU WILL EVEN CONVINCE YOURSELF THAT UNSKILLED NEWBIE EXPLOITING PL BOOKENDS ARE ACTUALLY RIGHTEOUS PL EXPERTS EXECUTING JUSTICE IN EVE.
GG ON BANNING THE EXPLOITING NUBBINS, CCP.
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Grath Telkin
Amarr Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.04.25 20:33:00 -
[1635]
Originally by: Homo Erectus
Originally by: Grath Telkin there are no exploits in monkeysphere
HEY GRATH, YOUR VAIN ATTEMPTS AT DAMAGE CONTROL HAVE BEEN ENTERTAINING SIR. PERHAPS SOMEDAY YOU WILL EVEN CONVINCE YOURSELF THAT UNSKILLED NEWBIE EXPLOITING PL BOOKENDS ARE ACTUALLY RIGHTEOUS PL EXPERTS EXECUTING JUSTICE IN EVE.
GG ON BANNING THE EXPLOITING NUBBINS, CCP.
I was gonna be all "hey...."
But i found the reference of male genitalia in your name disturbing, so i reported you instead.
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Homo Erectus
Evolution IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.04.25 20:38:00 -
[1636]
Originally by: Grath Telkin I didn't graduate high school so I can't construct a decent retort to your ownership of me
GOOD ONE GRATH. PERHAPS YOU ARE AS FAR OFF ABOUT MY NAME AS YOU ARE ABOUT MONKEYSPHERE BEING LITERALLY JESUS.
SORRY, DIDN'T MEAN TO OWN YOU THAT HARD WHEN I CAME HERE. BUT YOU DID MAKE IT QUITE EASY.
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Grath Telkin
Amarr Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.04.25 20:41:00 -
[1637]
Originally by: Homo Erectus
Originally by: Grath Telkin I didn't graduate high school so I can't construct a decent retort to your ownership of me
GOOD ONE GRATH. PERHAPS YOU ARE AS FAR OFF ABOUT MY NAME AS YOU ARE ABOUT MONKEYSPHERE BEING LITERALLY JESUS.
SORRY, DIDN'T MEAN TO OWN YOU THAT HARD WHEN I CAME HERE. BUT YOU DID MAKE IT QUITE EASY.
SORRY YO, BUT IT MAKES ME THINK OF A *****, MAYBE I SHOULD JOIN FINFLEET ABOUT IT
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Homo Ergaster
Evolution IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.04.25 20:43:00 -
[1638]
<<< HERE'S ANOTHER REFERENCE TO MALE GENITALIA GRATH, DON'T FORGET TO REPORT THIS ONE TOO.
OR PERHAPS YOU COULD READ A SCHOOL BOOK SOMEDAY |
Dianeces
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.04.25 20:47:00 -
[1639]
Originally by: Homo Ergaster <<< HERE'S ANOTHER REFERENCE TO MALE GENITALIA GRATH, DON'T FORGET TO REPORT THIS ONE TOO.
OR PERHAPS YOU COULD READ A SCHOOL BOOK SOMEDAY
Your caps lock key appears to be broken.
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kaisersauzee
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Posted - 2010.04.25 20:50:00 -
[1640]
ITT bobbits claiming the morale high ground in an exploit thread
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Grath Telkin
Amarr Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.04.25 20:50:00 -
[1641]
Originally by: Homo Ergaster <<< HERE'S ANOTHER REFERENCE TO MALE GENITALIA GRATH, DON'T FORGET TO REPORT THIS ONE TOO.
OR PERHAPS YOU COULD READ A SCHOOL BOOK SOMEDAY
So what your saying is that Finfleet has infected the rest of Bo...Ken...IT.
Also is that a "No" on joining finfleet? I heard my alliance was going to be banned soon, so i guess I'll be looking for a new home (on my new no banned accounts of course).
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Homo Erectus
Evolution IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.04.25 20:57:00 -
[1642]
Originally by: Dianeces Your caps lock key appears to be broken.
YOUR ALLIANCE MATE STAV REPLIED TO YOU FOR ME, LIKE 7 YEARS AGO SIR.
AND SORRY GRATH I REALLY DON'T KNOW WHAT TO TELL YOU ABOUT YOUR PERSONAL PROBLEM OF READING LATIN AND THINKING ABOUT MALE JUNK. I WOULD INFORM YOUR PARENTS FIRST IF I WAS YOU.
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Dianeces
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.04.25 20:59:00 -
[1643]
Originally by: Homo Erectus
Originally by: Dianeces Your caps lock key appears to be broken.
YOUR ALLIANCE MATE STAV REPLIED TO YOU FOR ME, LIKE 7 YEARS AGO SIR.
AND SORRY GRATH I REALLY DON'T KNOW WHAT TO TELL YOU ABOUT YOUR PERSONAL PROBLEM OF READING LATIN AND THINKING ABOUT MALE JUNK. I WOULD INFORM YOUR PARENTS FIRST IF I WAS YOU.
Realx, brah. 'Do whatever, y0' is my motto. I just wanted to make sure you knew in case you wanted to fix it or something.
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Grath Telkin
Amarr Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.04.25 21:00:00 -
[1644]
Originally by: Homo Erectus
Originally by: Dianeces Your caps lock key appears to be broken.
YOUR ALLIANCE MATE STAV REPLIED TO YOU FOR ME, LIKE 7 YEARS AGO SIR.
AND SORRY GRATH I REALLY DON'T KNOW WHAT TO TELL YOU ABOUT YOUR PERSONAL PROBLEM OF READING LATIN AND THINKING ABOUT MALE JUNK. I WOULD INFORM YOUR PARENTS FIRST IF I WAS YOU.
My parents died in a car crash when I was 6 in Southeast D.C., but thanks for dredging up painful memories.
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Homo Erectus
Evolution IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.04.25 21:02:00 -
[1645]
WAS THE OTHER CAR SHOWING IN LOCAL OR DID IT APPEAR RIGHT BEFORE THE BOOM
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Grath Telkin
Amarr Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.04.25 21:08:00 -
[1646]
Originally by: Homo Erectus WAS THE OTHER CAR SHOWING IN LOCAL OR DID IT APPEAR RIGHT BEFORE THE BOOM
Your insensitivity to real life issues is most disturbing, considering the ehonor accompanying your enormous pile of douchebaggery that you refer to as an alliance, I would have expected more when dealing with real life tragedies.
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Homo Erectus
Evolution IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.04.25 21:12:00 -
[1647]
PERHAPS YOUR SAFORUM BRETHREN CAN EXPLAIN TO YOU WHAT JUST HAPPENED
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Grath Telkin
Amarr Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.04.25 21:18:00 -
[1648]
Edited by: Grath Telkin on 25/04/2010 21:18:40
Originally by: Homo Erectus WHAT JUST HAPPENED
Nothing really, mom's fine (she's raising some chickens, misses her old bunch) and Dad is getting ramped up for race season (Mr. Tire decided to joy ride in his race car midway through last season when the boss stepped out) and is excited to have dropped another 500lbs off the Mustang (all kinds of alloy crap in the front tie rod assembly area, Im really car ******ed so its over my head).
I called, told her what was going on, described your sig, and asked her what was wrong with me, she said "Don't worry hunny, he's what we call a closet homosexual, he'll come out one day".
I said OK, asked if she'd heard from my brother, and told her I'd make time to stop by next week and see the chickens.
Thanks for prompting me to call home though, it had been a while.
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Homo Erectus
Evolution IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.04.25 21:23:00 -
[1649]
NICE STORY. CAN YOU GO BACK TO DESPERATE PL DAMAGE CONTROL. I LOVE IT WHEN YOU TRY TO CONVINCE ME THAT MONKEYSPHERE WAS A SUPERHERO AND NOT REALLY AN UNSKILLED CHEATING NEWBIE. LOVE IT.
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Grath Telkin
Amarr Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.04.25 21:27:00 -
[1650]
Originally by: Homo Erectus NICE STORY. CAN YOU GO BACK TO DESPERATE PL DAMAGE CONTROL. I LOVE IT WHEN YOU TRY TO CONVINCE ME THAT MONKEYSPHERE WAS A SUPERHERO AND NOT REALLY AN UNSKILLED CHEATING NEWBIE. LOVE IT.
Not for a few hours at least, I've suddenly grown homesick, and have waxed nostalgic.
I find myself deep in thought about a few years around when I was 12, MAN THOSE WERE FUN SUMMERS.
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Homo Erectus
Evolution IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.04.25 21:29:00 -
[1651]
WELL IT'S BEEN FUN OWNING YOU. LET ME KNOW WHEN YOUR FORUM POSTING SKILLS HAVE IMPROVED. PERHAPS ELITISTOPS CAN TEACH YOU SOME TRICKS. THEY PAID 10 BUX SO THEY ARE PROBLY AWESOME.
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hattifnatt
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.04.25 21:32:00 -
[1652]
I personally find IT guys taking the moral high ground on exploits interesting.
And a caps version for the people who are in the process of learning to read.
IT WHINING ABOUT EXPLOITS IS LOL!!!
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cigarellos
Path of Now and Forever
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Posted - 2010.04.25 21:43:00 -
[1653]
Originally by: Grath Telkin ...i found the reference of male genitalia in your name disturbing, so i reported you instead.
lol FACEPALM
-cig
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LoudMouth InLocal
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Posted - 2010.04.25 21:50:00 -
[1654]
Originally by: hattifnatt I personally find IT guys taking the moral high ground on exploits interesting.
And a caps version for the people who are in the process of learning to read.
IT WHINING ABOUT EXPLOITS IS LOL!!!
Keep deflecting, brah :)
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Cartune
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Posted - 2010.04.25 21:53:00 -
[1655]
Originally by: hattifnatt taking the moral high ground on exploits
Originally by: Romale you do realize you talking to kugu's boys right?
What's truly lol is the ally posturing themselves as kug's pets being so tiresomely fail at social engineering
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Dianeces
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.04.25 21:58:00 -
[1656]
Originally by: Cartune
Originally by: hattifnatt taking the moral high ground on exploits
Originally by: Romale you do realize you talking to kugu's boys right?
What's truly lol is the ally posturing themselves as kug's pets being so tiresomely fail at social engineering
I'm not sure you understand what social engineering is.
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FactorLT
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Posted - 2010.04.25 22:13:00 -
[1657]
Its starting to be discusting,with a PL campaing shouting in every local they go "Monkeysphere is our hero" what does it means that he is gratest cheater from PL??? Man you need to fire your PR officer.Couse now from Pandemic Legion you became Pathetic Legion In RA we trust |
Pr1ncess Alia
Caldari Perkone
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Posted - 2010.04.25 22:17:00 -
[1658]
Originally by: Homo Erectus WELL IT'S BEEN FUN OWNING YOU.
shouldn't you be busy recruiting another few thousand members?
I don't think you have enough.
"A game that is significantly nonlinear is sometimes described as being open-ended or a sandbox, and is characterized by there being no "right way" of playing the game." |
LdyScrltisfat
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Posted - 2010.04.25 22:53:00 -
[1659]
Originally by: kaisersauzee ITT bobbits claiming the morale high ground in an exploit thread
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DigitalCommunist
November Corporation
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Posted - 2010.04.25 22:58:00 -
[1660]
Originally by: Homo Erectus WAS THE OTHER CAR SHOWING IN LOCAL OR DID IT APPEAR RIGHT BEFORE THE BOOM
I lol'ed
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Ronos
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Posted - 2010.04.25 23:10:00 -
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LOL. I love this thread ! Kill the Bots ! Allow exploiters to kill the Bots !! Only one issue with this..... what happens when the exploiters get bored with the bots and the bot like ratters ? What happens when they decide to share the exploit with thier friends and start taking down alliances etc....
I remember awhile back the talk about changing or delaying local abit when you jump into a system in 0.0, looks like some of that info found its way into monkeysphere's hands.... if ccp can catch him exploiting... do you ban him or hire him as a dev?..... LOL
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MatrixSkye Mk2
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.04.25 23:15:00 -
[1662]
Originally by: Grath Telkin
Originally by: Homo Erectus WAS THE OTHER CAR SHOWING IN LOCAL OR DID IT APPEAR RIGHT BEFORE THE BOOM
Your insensitivity to real life issues is most disturbing, considering the ehonor accompanying your enormous pile of douchebaggery that you refer to as an alliance, I would have expected more when dealing with real life tragedies.
Oh wait, you mean this wasn't you trolling? Was this seriuz biznus?
Oh and, u mad?
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Grath Telkin
Amarr Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.04.25 23:29:00 -
[1663]
Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2 as no one would know to distinguish between the two.
This is the theme of the thread really.
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Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2010.04.25 23:30:00 -
[1664]
You know I really really hate to drag this thread back ontopic but does anyone at all have any evidence that monkey is using exploits past the testimony of a guy who herd it from another guy who happened to read it on a fan forum? Now before people get all huffy and stuff I'm not saying he isn't exploiting but simply curious if anyone has managed to catch him in the act?
Originally by: CCP Zymurgist Get off the forums and go kill someone!
Originally by: Amarr Supremacist Yeah, it(Jaguar) almost has cruiser level tank and gank!
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MatrixSkye Mk2
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.04.25 23:46:00 -
[1665]
Originally by: Zeba You know I really really hate to drag this thread back ontopic but does anyone at all have any evidence that monkey is using exploits past the testimony of a guy who herd it from another guy who happened to read it on a fan forum? Now before people get all huffy and stuff I'm not saying he isn't exploiting but simply curious if anyone has managed to catch him in the act?
Don't worry. Let CCP put the puzzle together. They will. All the pieces are there.
And the evidence you seek, you know, him FRAPSing himself cheating and exploiting, because it's the only evidence that some of you will accept along with a signed confession from him, to my knowledge does not exist. But to anyone with even a little bit of sense of obviousness all these discrepancies lead to something definitely not being right. And PL's claim that he's just using this legit but "supder duper and seekrit technique" to amass all those kills is suspect at best.
If this were true PL would have no problems in letting CCP know what this "super seekrit technique" is and just letting this whole issue die. But the fact is that there is smoke and it's coming from Pandemic Legion's house.
But again, us having to provide you with proof is not even necessary at this point. You'll have to ask CCP to prove to you that the monkeydude is cheating, not us.
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Kazexinca
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.04.25 23:46:00 -
[1666]
Edited by: Kazexinca on 25/04/2010 23:48:26
Originally by: Homo Erectus WELL IT'S BEEN FUN OWNING YOU. LET ME KNOW WHEN YOUR FORUM POSTING SKILLS HAVE IMPROVED. PERHAPS ELITISTOPS CAN TEACH YOU SOME TRICKS. THEY PAID 10 BUX SO THEY ARE PROBLY AWESOME.
Plz Sir mOLLE keep your Band of cheaters in check for future reference.
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Ellatan Deruimte
Surreal corp Stain Empire
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Posted - 2010.04.25 23:47:00 -
[1667]
Originally by: Zeba You know I really really hate to drag this thread back ontopic but does anyone at all have any evidence that monkey is using exploits past the testimony of a guy who herd it from another guy who happened to read it on a fan forum? Now before people get all huffy and stuff I'm not saying he isn't exploiting but simply curious if anyone has managed to catch him in the act?
Enlighten us, how would you catch him in the act. Are you going to fraps all day long just in case he comes over your system? I think you would run out of hard drive space. If you push to fraps after he appeared out of nowhere, then all you are going to record is Arazu tackling you in the belt. You can't see it coming, so it's near impossible to get "proof" or record it. In any case that proof doesn't mean anything to CCP, they don't accept player made screenshots and videos as evidence, they only rely on their server side logs. The videos that were made to demonstrate the bug were not for CCP, they were made for the community awareness. CCP received detailed bug reports about the mechanic behind the exploit, so hopefully they will figure out a way to seal the breach in their client. There are dozens of reports by different people on the Russian forums, describing the same Monkeysphere experience, which is exactly the same as was shown in the videos. Can they all be wrong at the same time? I don't think so.
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Orephia
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Posted - 2010.04.26 00:06:00 -
[1668]
Originally by: Zeba curious if anyone has managed to catch him in the act?
In the early pages of the thread, Lee Kin recounts himself and a group of covert gate watchers observing The Monkeysphere pass thru a series of systems without appearing in local, and said screenies were made. 'Seems credible', but what is proof?
PL et al has spammed the thread with enough disinfo to gag a maggot, starting with nonsense posts & Animal Farm and progressively attempting to "stack ****" higher than a hung dead python. If the Lee Kin account is true, then among that group of pilots, there is proof. The larger community can only wait for CCP to harvest all the info they've acquired & hope that the logs can be analyzed in a manner that will reveal something that the perps are unaware of.
Originally by: Homo Erectus WAS THE OTHER CAR SHOWING IN LOCAL...
biggest bellylaugh in the thread atm. ancient vets rule |
Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2010.04.26 00:10:00 -
[1669]
Originally by: Ellatan Deruimte
Originally by: Zeba You know I really really hate to drag this thread back ontopic but does anyone at all have any evidence that monkey is using exploits past the testimony of a guy who herd it from another guy who happened to read it on a fan forum? Now before people get all huffy and stuff I'm not saying he isn't exploiting but simply curious if anyone has managed to catch him in the act?
Enlighten us, how would you catch him in the act. Are you going to fraps all day long just in case he comes over your system? I think you would run out of hard drive space. If you push to fraps after he appeared out of nowhere, then all you are going to record is Arazu tackling you in the belt. You can't see it coming, so it's near impossible to get "proof" or record it. In any case that proof doesn't mean anything to CCP, they don't accept player made screenshots and videos as evidence, they only rely on their server side logs. The videos that were made to demonstrate the bug were not for CCP, they were made for the community awareness. CCP received detailed bug reports about the mechanic behind the exploit, so hopefully they will figure out a way to seal the breach in their client. There are dozens of reports by different people on the Russian forums, describing the same Monkeysphere experience, which is exactly the same as was shown in the videos. Can they all be wrong at the same time? I don't think so.
Yes yes we know all this and I don't for a millisecond think that any side of the argument so far has been unbiased as far as the 'testimony' is concerned. Noone in this game is going to admit to anything unless they are literally pinned to the wall with absolutely 100% unrefutable proof. This is exactly what this thread has been saying the last 5X pages. Now again, has anyone been able to catch monkey in the act with solid proof to back up the claim or not?
Originally by: CCP Zymurgist Get off the forums and go kill someone!
Originally by: Amarr Supremacist Yeah, it(Jaguar) almost has cruiser level tank and gank!
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MatrixSkye Mk2
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.04.26 00:31:00 -
[1670]
Originally by: Zeba Now again, has anyone been able to catch monkey in the act
Yes, a few players have, if they're to be believed. Originally by: Zeba with solid proof to back up the claim or not?
Solid proof as in FRAPS? No.
But I doubt it will now be possible to FRAPS him as I highly suspect he'll maintain a very low profile for the next few months. I doubt he'll be using his super seekrit technique" any time soon. And I expect his killboard stats to become less bloated with kills too.
But, it is up to CCP to share all the findings with us (I doubt it). But I do believe they should be able to determine within reasonable certainty whether this monkey dude is cheating or not.
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Lady Aja
Caldari IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.04.26 00:45:00 -
[1671]
Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2
Originally by: Zeba Now again, has anyone been able to catch monkey in the act
Yes, a few players have, if they're to be believed. Originally by: Zeba with solid proof to back up the claim or not?
Solid proof as in FRAPS? No.
But I doubt it will now be possible to FRAPS him as I highly suspect he'll maintain a very low profile for the next few months. I doubt he'll be using his super seekrit technique" any time soon. And I expect his killboard stats to become less bloated with kills too.
But, it is up to CCP to share all the findings with us (I doubt it). But I do believe they should be able to determine within reasonable certainty whether this monkey dude is cheating or not.
no matter what the russians claim to know how to duplicate the advantage, so only a matter of time till most of eve can do it.
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MatrixSkye Mk2
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.04.26 00:50:00 -
[1672]
Originally by: Lady Aja
Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2
Originally by: Zeba Now again, has anyone been able to catch monkey in the act
Yes, a few players have, if they're to be believed. Originally by: Zeba with solid proof to back up the claim or not?
Solid proof as in FRAPS? No.
But I doubt it will now be possible to FRAPS him as I highly suspect he'll maintain a very low profile for the next few months. I doubt he'll be using his super seekrit technique" any time soon. And I expect his killboard stats to become less bloated with kills too.
But, it is up to CCP to share all the findings with us (I doubt it). But I do believe they should be able to determine within reasonable certainty whether this monkey dude is cheating or not.
no matter what the russians claim to know how to duplicate the advantage, so only a matter of time till most of eve can do it.
Well then, Monkeyman's killboard stats should only improve by a huge margin when he figures out how to execute the exploit , because you know, he's not already using it. I guess we should expect an improvement to his KD ratio, not a decrease :P. We'll see who's right.
Grief a PVP'er. Run a mission today! |
Ellatan Deruimte
Surreal corp Stain Empire
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Posted - 2010.04.26 01:26:00 -
[1673]
Originally by: Zeba Now again, has anyone been able to catch monkey in the act with solid proof to back up the claim or not?
What is "the solid proof"? We are going around in circles, the only possible solid proof is in the hands of CCP, you should ask them. I doubt that they will let you know though.
Originally by: Lady Aja No matter what the russians claim to know how to duplicate the advantage, so only a matter of time till most of eve can do it.
Of course at some point more people might figure it out, that's why the bug was reported in detail, so CCP can prevent players from abusing it. What one man can do, another can do, prevention is the key.
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Sciencegeek deathdealer
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Posted - 2010.04.26 02:12:00 -
[1674]
Originally by: Homo Erectus WAS THE OTHER CAR SHOWING IN LOCAL OR DID IT APPEAR RIGHT BEFORE THE BOOM
You just made my day. PL really needs to figure out they arent improveing the situation by spamming, just ****ing more people off. I'd be very intrested to hear CCP's result regardless of whether or not monkey was cheating. The exploit should be resolved now that its proven possible.
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Elyseum
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Posted - 2010.04.26 03:22:00 -
[1675]
Originally by: DigitalCommunist
Originally by: Homo Erectus WAS THE OTHER CAR SHOWING IN LOCAL OR DID IT APPEAR RIGHT BEFORE THE BOOM
I lol'ed
as did I
best comment of this thread
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DarkFollower
Amarr The Edge Foundation Zenith Affinity
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Posted - 2010.04.26 04:43:00 -
[1676]
Edited by: DarkFollower on 26/04/2010 04:54:56
Originally by: Zeba Now again, has anyone been able to catch monkey in the act with solid proof to back up the claim or not?
You guys are deluding youreselfs if you think for one second this is a court of law , where you need proof to get banned or if it's any relation to a court of law This a game that is owned by CCP ,and when i say owned i say they own everything
This is CCP's game and they can do whatever they want , whenever they want and to whomever they want if it refers to anything of their property wich is the game , your accounts , ingame items etc. And you all agreed to this when you pressed accept on that EULA
So with that said , CCP doesn't need undeniably proof that monkey or whomever for that fact committed an exploit , as a matter of fact they don't need any proof at all They can use the ban hammer at any time if they feel it will benefit the game and/or them
I hope both of you "sides" understand this because it applyes to each one of you The fact that they are trying to find the truth and not ban an innocent(s) is commendable but they are not bound by anything to do it.
edit: also HTFU
Cap rechargers on PvP ships Suxxor monkey ballzorz!!
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Aphser
Amarr Adhocracy Incorporated
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Posted - 2010.04.26 04:47:00 -
[1677]
Originally by: CCP Wrangler We have received the bug reports and gone over the information in this thread and other discussions. We're investigating the issue and we'll post updated information as soon as we can.
That was like 3 days ago? Any update?
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Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2010.04.26 05:02:00 -
[1678]
Originally by: DarkFollower Edited by: DarkFollower on 26/04/2010 04:54:56
Originally by: Zeba Now again, has anyone been able to catch monkey in the act with solid proof to back up the claim or not?
You guys are deluding youreselfs if you think for one second this is a court of law , where you need proof to get banned or if it's any relation to a court of law This a game that is owned by CCP ,and when i say owned i say they own everything
This is CCP's game and they can do whatever they want , whenever they want and to whomever they want if it refers to anything of their property wich is the game , your accounts , ingame items etc. And you all agreed to this when you pressed accept on that EULA
So with that said , CCP doesn't need undeniably proof that monkey or whomever for that fact committed an exploit , as a matter of fact they don't need any proof at all They can use the ban hammer at any time if they feel it will benefit the game and/or them
I hope both of you "sides" understand this because it applyes to each one of you The fact that they are trying to find the truth and not ban an innocent(s) is commendable but they are not bound by anything to do it.
edit: also HTFU
Heh, this was exactly the point I was going to make but was waiting to snipe the page. Oh well, you said it better than I was going to. But yeah if ccp looks at the killmails from the api and comes to the conclusion that there was no possible way he could make it to each kill in time using unmodified game mechanics then they can ban him simply because they can and not ever say another official word on the subject past a carefully generic 'yup we plugged the sploit and banned some naughty players'.
Originally by: CCP Zymurgist Get off the forums and go kill someone!
Originally by: Amarr Supremacist Yeah, it(Jaguar) almost has cruiser level tank and gank!
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Zeke Mobius
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Posted - 2010.04.26 05:02:00 -
[1679]
Originally by: Aphser
Originally by: CCP Wrangler We have received the bug reports and gone over the information in this thread and other discussions. We're investigating the issue and we'll post updated information as soon as we can.
That was like 3 days ago? Any update?
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Frug
Omega Wing
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Posted - 2010.04.26 05:21:00 -
[1680]
I feel the need to contribute to this epic thread.
By posting.
- - - - - - - - - Do not use dotted lines - - - - - - If you think I'm awesome say BOOO BOOO!! - Ductoris Neat look what I found - Kreul Whisper/PrismX 4 emperor |
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar Vahrokh Consulting
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Posted - 2010.04.26 06:38:00 -
[1681]
Quote:
I've started my studies as a programmer in early '90. I've finished and graduated in the '99. The red line of our studies as interface designers and database administrators was "NEVER EVER TRUST CLIENT INPUT".
Before the early '90, programmers were pushed into compromises due to the available hardware. It was very common to omit 2 digits in the year, to liberally use assembler, to use global variables to be reused again and again...
I even managed to find pre-ansi C software using gotos.
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Grid? It's new for you that whole solarsystem is sent to client?
I don't know, because I don't have time to hack in EvE's innards and generally break the EULA. I'd find it quite stupid if they sent the whole list to clients, since they already went in the complication of using grids to save on calculations, but hey, nothing forbids them to have programmed it like that.
Quote:
Your attempts to justify hacks usage by broken game mechanics are ridiculous. Please stop that.
I attempt explaining how the game could be broken not to justify it. Or did you miss the ALREADY re-quoted:
"Monkey and everyone even vaguely helping him should be permabanned immediately *as tangible and irrefutable proof is found and by officially certified personnel*"
Another not-so-sharp knife in the drawer, eh?
- Auditing & consulting
When looking for investors, please read http://tinyurl.com/n5ys4h + http://tinyurl.com/lrg4oz
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Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2010.04.26 06:59:00 -
[1682]
I see this thread has been stealth pruned yet again.
Originally by: CCP Zymurgist Get off the forums and go kill someone!
Originally by: Amarr Supremacist Yeah, it(Jaguar) almost has cruiser level tank and gank!
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LdyScrltisfat
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Posted - 2010.04.26 07:13:00 -
[1683]
lol at all the BoB players getting mad over hacking |
Brittax
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Posted - 2010.04.26 07:53:00 -
[1684]
Doesn't matter if he's hacking or not but looking at his killboard he should be banned just for the amount of grief he has caused. |
I SoStoned
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.04.26 09:16:00 -
[1685]
Still waiting and googling like mad to see someone put the technique up for mass replication.
Spoofing client data to say the pilot is in system X when they're ghosting around system Y would not be very visible on the server end, it's getting proper data, just for the wrong system. --- Dreamer: My dream, Freddy! MY RULES. Freddy Kruger: *groans* Awwwww, f**k. --- Never give up! |
Huhuhuhuhuhuh
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Posted - 2010.04.26 10:07:00 -
[1686]
Originally by: I SoStoned Still waiting and googling like mad to see someone put the technique up for mass replication.
Spoofing client data to say the pilot is in system X when they're ghosting around system Y would not be very visible on the server end, it's getting proper data, just for the wrong system.
Yes, lets make public release and ruin game for everyone. great plan. not.
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Sidus Isaacs
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.04.26 10:23:00 -
[1687]
Can someone give me a TL;DR? --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sigs.html |
Gunnanmon
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2010.04.26 10:30:00 -
[1688]
Originally by: Sidus Isaacs Can someone give me a TL;DR?
It has been proposed that certain individuals are using some exploit/nefarious method to avoid appearing in the local chat channel, and then causing havoc.
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baltec1
Antares Shipyards Aeternus.
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Posted - 2010.04.26 10:37:00 -
[1689]
Originally by: Sidus Isaacs Can someone give me a TL;DR?
Op: I got killed, was it magic?
Community: much tinfoilery
Macro uses: Ban He! Ban He!
PL: much trolling
Russians: stop being rasist
PL: BAAAWWWWWW
huhuhuhuhuhuhuh?: deploys elite internet skills and replicates magic tricks.
Community: much agreement
PL: BAAAAWWWWW
CCP: ???????
Not sure whats going on now but eve community get +1 internets for bug hunting I belive.
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LdyScrltisfat
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Posted - 2010.04.26 10:43:00 -
[1690]
Originally by: baltec1
Originally by: Sidus Isaacs Can someone give me a TL;DR?
Op: I got killed, was it magic?
Community: much tinfoilery
Macro uses: Ban He! Ban He!
PL: much trolling
Russians: stop being rasist
PL: BAAAWWWWWW
huhuhuhuhuhuhuh?: deploys elite internet skills and replicates magic tricks.
Community: much agreement
PL: BAAAAWWWWW
CCP: ???????
Not sure whats going on now but eve community get +1 internets for bug hunting I belive.
yeah those russians are really ****ing good at programing and found the hack within 3 days heh how dumb are you? they obviously already knew about the hack and actively used it themselves those evil russians
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Gunnanmon
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2010.04.26 10:51:00 -
[1691]
Originally by: LdyScrltisfat
Originally by: baltec1
Originally by: Sidus Isaacs Can someone give me a TL;DR?
Op: I got killed, was it magic?
Community: much tinfoilery
Macro uses: Ban He! Ban He!
PL: much trolling
Russians: stop being rasist
PL: BAAAWWWWWW
huhuhuhuhuhuhuh?: deploys elite internet skills and replicates magic tricks.
Community: much agreement
PL: BAAAAWWWWW
CCP: ???????
Not sure whats going on now but eve community get +1 internets for bug hunting I belive.
yeah those russians are really ****ing good at programing and found the hack within 3 days heh how dumb are you? they obviously already knew about the hack and actively used it themselves those evil russians
The video of Huhuhuhuhu replicating the issue did appear surprisingly soon. I wonder if he had previously petitioned its existence. Signature locked for discussing moderation. Navigator
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Huhuhuhuhuhuh
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Posted - 2010.04.26 10:58:00 -
[1692]
Edited by: Huhuhuhuhuhuh on 26/04/2010 10:59:27 Edited by: Huhuhuhuhuhuh on 26/04/2010 10:59:16
Originally by: Gunnanmon
The video of Huhuhuhuhu replicating the issue did appear surprisingly soon. I wonder if he had previously petitioned its existence.
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1306084 bug reported in fact.
Quote:
yeah those russians are really ****ing good at programing and found the hack within 3 days heh how dumb are you? they obviously already knew about the hack and actively used it themselves those evil russians Evil or Very Mad
Lol. made my day.
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Le Cardinal
Destructive Influence IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.04.26 11:06:00 -
[1693]
Originally by: FactorLT Couse now from Pandemic Legion you became Pathetic Legion
They have been patetich for quite a while, so that is old news. And lol at all the times PL has taken the moral highground and blamed BoB for cheating.
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Gunnanmon
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2010.04.26 11:15:00 -
[1694]
Originally by: Huhuhuhuhuhuh http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1306084 bug reported in fact.
Cool. "issue 94595" amused me.
BTW; when did you first discover it? And did you set out to discover it, or did you stumble upon it accidentally? Signature locked for discussing moderation. Navigator
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Huhuhuhuhuhuh
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Posted - 2010.04.26 11:47:00 -
[1695]
Originally by: Gunnanmon
Originally by: Huhuhuhuhuhuh http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1306084 bug reported in fact.
Cool. "issue 94595" amused me.
BTW; when did you first discover it? And did you set out to discover it, or did you stumble upon it accidentally?
22 of april. Read some extremely annoying trolls on eve-ru and felt sympathy for the trolled guys. Thus i checked if i can reproduce described effect.
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Xtover
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.04.26 12:01:00 -
[1696]
Edited by: Xtover on 26/04/2010 12:02:09
Originally by: Huhuhuhuhuhuh
Originally by: Gunnanmon
Originally by: Huhuhuhuhuhuh http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1306084 bug reported in fact.
Cool. "issue 94595" amused me.
BTW; when did you first discover it? And did you set out to discover it, or did you stumble upon it accidentally?
22 of april. Read some extremely annoying trolls on eve-ru and felt sympathy for the trolled guys. Thus i checked if i can reproduce described effect.
Just like that?
You decided to see if you could hack the client, and you did it in a matter of hours? Seems convenient.
The only group who has proven the ability to do this are those doing the accusing.
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Gunnanmon
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2010.04.26 12:04:00 -
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Originally by: Huhuhuhuhuhuh
Originally by: Gunnanmon
Originally by: Huhuhuhuhuhuh http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1306084 bug reported in fact.
Cool. "issue 94595" amused me.
BTW; when did you first discover it? And did you set out to discover it, or did you stumble upon it accidentally?
22 of april. Read some extremely annoying trolls on eve-ru and felt sympathy for the trolled guys. Thus i checked if i can reproduce described effect.
wow indeed. I'd have no idea where to begin replicating that effect. You have to admit, it does sound suspicious at the very least. Signature locked for discussing moderation. Navigator
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Huhuhuhuhuhuh
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Posted - 2010.04.26 12:12:00 -
[1698]
Edited by: Huhuhuhuhuhuh on 26/04/2010 12:11:55
Originally by: Gunnanmon
wow indeed. I'd have no idea where to begin replicating that effect. You have to admit, it does sound suspicious at the very least.
I am not going to describe required steps, but i guess after CCP closes this hole, i will be free to tell in detail about the whole process. Hope it will remove any suspicions ~
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Gunnanmon
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2010.04.26 12:13:00 -
[1699]
Originally by: Huhuhuhuhuhuh Edited by: Huhuhuhuhuhuh on 26/04/2010 12:11:55
Originally by: Gunnanmon
wow indeed. I'd have no idea where to begin replicating that effect. You have to admit, it does sound suspicious at the very least.
I am not going to describe required steps, but i guess after CCP closes this hole, i will be free to tell in detail about the whole process. Hope it will remove any suspicions ~
Cool, cos I bet everyone here is wondering how the hell it's done. :-) Signature locked for discussing moderation. Navigator
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Gnulpie
Minmatar Miner Tech
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Posted - 2010.04.26 12:17:00 -
[1700]
Originally by: Gunnanmon
Originally by: Huhuhuhuhuhuh
Originally by: Gunnanmon
wow indeed. I'd have no idea where to begin replicating that effect. You have to admit, it does sound suspicious at the very least.
I am not going to describe required steps, but i guess after CCP closes this hole, i will be free to tell in detail about the whole process. Hope it will remove any suspicions ~
Cool, cos I bet everyone here is wondering how the hell it's done. :-)
Not everyone. Some people have some pretty good clues I guess. I can imagine at least two different ways how to do it. At least under the assumption that the server do trust the client at some point - which is a big NO-NO usually. |
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Omira Tan
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Posted - 2010.04.26 12:25:00 -
[1701]
Originally by: Huhuhuhuhuhuh Edited by: Huhuhuhuhuhuh on 26/04/2010 12:11:55
Originally by: Gunnanmon
wow indeed. I'd have no idea where to begin replicating that effect. You have to admit, it does sound suspicious at the very least.
I am not going to describe required steps, but i guess after CCP closes this hole, i will be free to tell in detail about the whole process. Hope it will remove any suspicions ~
SURGEON GENERAL WARNING: "Divulging to have produced and tested an exploit may be dangerous to your health." You do know you can get banned for that ****, right?
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Huhuhuhuhuhuh
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Posted - 2010.04.26 12:41:00 -
[1702]
Originally by: Omira Tan
SURGEON GENERAL WARNING: "Divulging to have produced and tested an exploit may be dangerous to your health." You do know you can get banned for that ****, right?
Only if this exploit can be used. If it is fixed and cannot be reproduced any more this is just a history talk without any effects. But thanks for the tip. I will get counsel from ccp stuff before making any kind of reverse engineer walkthrough.
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War Kitten
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Posted - 2010.04.26 12:42:00 -
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Originally by: Xtover
Just like that?
You decided to see if you could hack the client, and you did it in a matter of hours? Seems convenient.
The only group who has proven the ability to do this are those doing the accusing.
If I'm following what Huhuhuh has done, maybe a better analogy for those that don't do network programming is this:
He figured out how to open Eve's mailbox and which letters to leave in the box and which ones to remove or alter in order to fool the server. Opening a mailbox is trivial. Reading the mail takes a few hours. Stuffing your modified mail back in the box is trivial.
If you know what you're looking at, its not rocket surgery to start decoding what network packets contain through experimentation. A couple days is plenty of time for anyone who works with this stuff on a daily basis. You don't have to "hack" the client at all, just read and filter the network traffic your computer is sending out.
Disclaimer: None of that justifies it as legitimate or not, and I don't make any claims versus the legality of it against he EULA. I'm just saying its not as hard as you make it out to be if you understand what's going on.
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Gunnanmon
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2010.04.26 12:47:00 -
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Assuming they fix the hole, what's the problem? :) Signature locked for discussing moderation. Navigator
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Huhuhuhuhuhuh
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Posted - 2010.04.26 12:51:00 -
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Originally by: Gunnanmon Assuming they fix the hole, what's the problem? :)
I bet it will be described in the ccp response.
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Xtover
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.04.26 13:04:00 -
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Originally by: War Kitten
Originally by: Xtover
Just like that?
You decided to see if you could hack the client, and you did it in a matter of hours? Seems convenient.
The only group who has proven the ability to do this are those doing the accusing.
If I'm following what Huhuhuh has done, maybe a better analogy for those that don't do network programming is this:
He figured out how to open Eve's mailbox and which letters to leave in the box and which ones to remove or alter in order to fool the server. Opening a mailbox is trivial. Reading the mail takes a few hours. Stuffing your modified mail back in the box is trivial.
If you know what you're looking at, its not rocket surgery to start decoding what network packets contain through experimentation. A couple days is plenty of time for anyone who works with this stuff on a daily basis. You don't have to "hack" the client at all, just read and filter the network traffic your computer is sending out.
Disclaimer: None of that justifies it as legitimate or not, and I don't make any claims versus the legality of it against he EULA. I'm just saying its not as hard as you make it out to be if you understand what's going on.
in other words, he sniffed and blocked local channel UDP packets from the client to the server?
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Silent Wispa
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Posted - 2010.04.26 13:19:00 -
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Originally by: War Kitten
If you know what you're looking at, its not rocket surgery to start decoding what network packets contain through experimentation. A couple days is plenty of time for anyone who works with this stuff on a daily basis. You don't have to "hack" the client at all, just read and filter the network traffic your computer is sending out.
Agreed.
What bothers me is that it took him 2 hours because he just happens to have already done the decoding work in relation to, shall we say, his 'other' projects.
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Pr1ncess Alia
Caldari Perkone
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Posted - 2010.04.26 13:29:00 -
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i find it funny all the '2 wrongs don't make a right' talk
we'll entertain the allegations that the guy IS cheating for this.
one guy is exploiting to kill people (mostly macro ratters as we have heard from the macro users themselves!)
let us weight this against:
hundreds, if not thousands of people exploiting using macros across 0.0
where are our .ru friends screaming and crying for ccp to fix the macro issue eh?
good question ain't it
you know what? it doesn't make it right. it doesn't make it any more wrong either.
the more i think about it, i hope it takes ccp 9 months to figure out how to fix it, and in the mean time i hope so many people figure out how to mask themselves in local it becomes common knowledge.
justice is justice. whether or not you can justify it is a personal matter that is handled individually. somehow i sleep better knowing the hundreds of people that have been systematically exploiting eve are getting what is coming to them.
why? because justice would be ccp fixing the macro issue. but it doesn't make sense for their business model. we don't get justice, so just like anywhere else in the world, vigilante justice takes it's place.
go make an assembly hall suggestion for that one: CCP make the local exploit a feature
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Sidus Isaacs
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.04.26 13:38:00 -
[1709]
Originally by: baltec1
Originally by: Sidus Isaacs Can someone give me a TL;DR?
Op: I got killed, was it magic?
Community: much tinfoilery
Macro uses: Ban He! Ban He!
PL: much trolling
Russians: stop being rasist
PL: BAAAWWWWWW
huhuhuhuhuhuhuh?: deploys elite internet skills and replicates magic tricks.
Community: much agreement
PL: BAAAAWWWWW
CCP: ???????
Not sure whats going on now but eve community get +1 internets for bug hunting I belive.
Hehe, I guess that sums most of it up :P
I am not gonna bother reading 56 pages to ge all of it tho.
So bascially some cheaters (PL) killed some macros? But then they also killed non macros. The cheapters take the lame defence of "moral highground"? --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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BOEHKOP
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Posted - 2010.04.26 14:09:00 -
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Edited by: BOEHKOP on 26/04/2010 14:10:03
Originally by: War Kitten
What bothers me is that it took him 2 hours because he just happens to have already done the decoding work in relation to, shall we say, his 'other' projects.
'other' projects? Everyone can do 'other' projects, not only russians! I can't believe that they so smart.
You, as well, can start first 'other' project: Find answers for all questions in Donald E. Knuth TAOCP books. (take note: you can start earn cash! "If you are really a careful reader, you may be able to recoup more than the cost of the books this way.") Then move to W. Richard Stevens books, it will be easy after TAOCP, you will enjoy reading.
After some years of similar and 'other' projects, you can say - "two hours from scratch? why so long?"
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Silent Wispa
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Posted - 2010.04.26 14:17:00 -
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Originally by: BOEHKOP Edited by: BOEHKOP on 26/04/2010 14:10:03
Originally by: War Kitten
What bothers me is that it took him 2 hours because he just happens to have already done the decoding work in relation to, shall we say, his 'other' projects.
'other' projects? Everyone can do 'other' projects, not only russians! I can't believe that they so smart.
You, as well, can start first 'other' project: Find answers for all questions in Donald E. Knuth TAOCP books. (take note: you can start earn cash! "If you are really a careful reader, you may be able to recoup more than the cost of the books this way.") Then move to W. Richard Stevens books, it will be easy after TAOCP, you will enjoy reading.
After some years of similar and 'other' projects, you can say - "two hours from scratch? why so long?"
I'm sorry, I was being polite, but as thats leading to misunderstanding I'll drop that tack now.
What I mean is, its absolutely impossible for anyone no matter how bright to decypher what means what with the Eve-Online client stream in a mere 2 hours. Infact the majority of the Devs would need more than 2 hours.
The reason it only took huhuhuhuhuhuhuhuh and co. 2 hours is because they had already done it some time ago as they take a very deep interest in how the client works for the production of macro programs. What they've done here is taken the information they've already been using - ie watching the local stream for new clients to automatically move a ship ratting to safety and instead spoofed information to prevent the client appearing in local at all. Then they've gone and stated this must be exactly what the accussed is doing because otherwise their macro bots wouldn't have been failing like they have.
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Xtover
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.04.26 14:23:00 -
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Originally by: Silent Wispa
The reason it only took huhuhuhuhuhuhuhuh and co. 2 hours is because they had already done it some time ago as they take a very deep interest in how the client works for the production of macro programs. What they've done here is taken the information they've already been using - ie watching the local stream for new clients to automatically move a ship ratting to safety and instead spoofed information to prevent the client appearing in local at all. Then they've gone and stated this must be exactly what the accussed is doing because otherwise their macro bots wouldn't have been failing like they have.
pretty much this.
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Pr1ncess Alia
Caldari Perkone
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Posted - 2010.04.26 14:24:00 -
[1713]
Originally by: Silent Wispa
The reason it only took huhuhuhuhuhuhuhuh and co. 2 hours is because they had already done it some time ago as they take a very deep interest in how the client works for the production of macro programs. What they've done here is taken the information they've already been using - ie watching the local stream for new clients to automatically move a ship ratting to safety and instead spoofed information to prevent the client appearing in local at all. Then they've gone and stated this must be exactly what the accussed is doing because otherwise their macro bots wouldn't have been failing like they have.
Which is why i say good. I'm glad they are getting killed by someone exploiting.
The problem is, what happens when the macro programs further exploit to include the local bug too? LOL How do we know they aren't already / haven't been?
What is CCP going to do to address both sides of this coin? It's not just the local exploit but the obvious rampant use of macros.
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Huhuhuhuhuhuh
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Posted - 2010.04.26 14:27:00 -
[1714]
Edited by: Huhuhuhuhuhuh on 26/04/2010 14:30:33
Originally by: Silent Wispa
I'm sorry, I was being polite, but as thats leading to misunderstanding I'll drop that tack now.
What I mean is, its absolutely impossible for anyone no matter how bright to decypher what means what with the Eve-Online client stream in a mere 2 hours. Infact the majority of the Devs would need more than 2 hours.
The reason it only took huhuhuhuhuhuhuhuh and co. 2 hours is because they had already done it some time ago as they take a very deep interest in how the client works for the production of macro programs. What they've done here is taken the information they've already been using - ie watching the local stream for new clients to automatically move a ship ratting to safety and instead spoofed information to prevent the client appearing in local at all. Then they've gone and stated this must be exactly what the accussed is doing because otherwise their macro bots wouldn't have been failing like they have.
You are trying to imply that i should be breaking a brick wall. I.e. perform cryptoanalysis, decypher communication packets, etc etc. And saying its not done in two hours. I agree. Hi mate. In this particular case you dont have to do it. And. If you really want to have some fun - try to figure out wtf is happening on platform with misconfigured HLR and two MAP stacks running under 6 hours. PS. Some day, you might even install linux and discover WINEDEBUG environment variable.
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Ellatan Deruimte
Surreal corp Stain Empire
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Posted - 2010.04.26 14:28:00 -
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Edited by: Ellatan Deruimte on 26/04/2010 14:28:57
Originally by: Silent Wispa
I'm sorry, I was being polite, but as thats leading to misunderstanding I'll drop that tack now.
What I mean is, its absolutely impossible for anyone no matter how bright to decypher what means what with the Eve-Online client stream in a mere 2 hours. Infact the majority of the Devs would need more than 2 hours.
The reason it only took huhuhuhuhuhuhuhuh and co. 2 hours is because they had already done it some time ago as they take a very deep interest in how the client works for the production of macro programs. What they've done here is taken the information they've already been using - ie watching the local stream for new clients to automatically move a ship ratting to safety and instead spoofed information to prevent the client appearing in local at all. Then they've gone and stated this must be exactly what the accussed is doing because otherwise their macro bots wouldn't have been failing like they have.
With the little knowledge that I have about both of those, one has nothing to do with another. No local exploit has nothing to do with macroing, it takes a different kind of programming specialization to achieve them. If they were similar, then all the people who actually do write macros would be able to abuse No Local exploit themselves, kinda makes sense, doesn't it?
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Gunnanmon
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2010.04.26 14:29:00 -
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Originally by: Pr1ncess Alia What is CCP going to do to address both sides of this coin? It's not just the local exploit but the obvious rampant use of macros.
1 side of the coin generates far more income than the other. Therefore, I think they should focus on the people using no-local. Ignore the macroers, we need the cash. Signature locked for discussing moderation. Navigator
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Orephia
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Posted - 2010.04.26 14:36:00 -
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Originally by: Silent Wispa What I mean is, its absolutely impossible for anyone no matter how bright to decypher what means what with the Eve-Online client stream in a mere 2 hours.
Not to disparage Estonian bandwidth at all, but even good internet can be flaky on occasion, & it seems very likely that the story on the first page has enough 'true rumor' to go on. & at least one other poaster reported having observed the same thing under similar circumstances, even the feature where someone already in local doesn't see the interloper, but someone joining afterwards does.
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Psychotic Maniac
Caldari Head Shrinkers
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Posted - 2010.04.26 14:37:00 -
[1718]
Anybody else notice that Monkey has been out of business since this post began?
Already banned I presume.
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Xtover
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.04.26 14:38:00 -
[1719]
Originally by: Ellatan Deruimte With the little knowledge that I have about both of those, one has nothing to do with another. No local exploit has nothing to do with macroing, it takes a different kind of programming specialization to achieve them. If they were similar, then all the people who actually do write macros would be able to abuse No Local exploit themselves, kinda makes sense, doesn't it?
how do you know they haven't?
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Silent Wispa
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Posted - 2010.04.26 14:39:00 -
[1720]
Originally by: Ellatan Deruimte
With the little knowledge that I have about both of those, one has nothing to do with another. No local exploit has nothing to do with macroing. If it did, then all the people who actually do write macros would be able to abuse No Local exploit themselves, kinda makes sense, doesn't it?
The information packets the client uses is a set pattern. Once you know what that is, you can manipulate it, be that warping to a designated safespot when someone enters local or sending misinformation to the server to bug local into not showing you're there. Either way you need to have mapped out what each byte does that the client is sending and receiving. This is a process that takes trial and error that would take a substantial amount of time. Nonetheless you need this information for both macro bots and to spoof the server into not showing you in local.
I think the real reason for this 50+ rage thread is because some people are kicking themselves for not thinking of it first. That said, macroers are happy either way, if the trick is fixed so the server cannot be fooled into believing you're not in local then macro bots will carry on working as intended so it's effectively win/win for those with the vested interest. I'd guess the reason its not appeared in macrobots so far was because the idea had never occurred to them and there was never any need as macrobots would always take the ship to safety as soon as the local channel increases.
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Pr1ncess Alia
Caldari Perkone
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Posted - 2010.04.26 14:50:00 -
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Originally by: Gunnanmon Ignore the macroers, we need the cash.
Your thinking is very one dimensional.
How many people will not play a game where such methodical and systematic cheating is prevalent?
It makes the game less valuable in the long run. They lose more accounts than they gain in the long run:
They will lose more players by allowing cheating than they will gain by macro isk sellers. Lose players, less players to buy isk, less isk sellers, less macro ratter accounts.... rinse and repeat.
Unless you have a dog in this race? Then by all means, continue to spew senseless jargon.
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Malaclypse Muscaria
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Posted - 2010.04.26 14:51:00 -
[1722]
Originally by: Xtover
Originally by: Psychotic Maniac Anybody else notice that Monkey has been out of business since this post began?
Already banned I presume.
He's stuck in a C2 (I think that's the size) with a mach... meaning his ****** is stuck and can't get out.
... I'm going to wager that's just the convenient excuse he's using to explain away his inability to continue pulling off his amazing ganking feats now that CCP is watching
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War Kitten
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Posted - 2010.04.26 14:57:00 -
[1723]
Originally by: Malaclypse Muscaria
Originally by: Xtover
Originally by: Psychotic Maniac Anybody else notice that Monkey has been out of business since this post began?
Already banned I presume.
He's stuck in a C2 (I think that's the size) with a mach... meaning his ****** is stuck and can't get out.
... I'm going to wager that's just the convenient excuse he's using to explain away his inability to continue pulling off his amazing ganking feats now that CCP is watching
Yeah, the convenient "I'm a noob at wormholes" excuse got pointed out. He's been located back in 0.0 recently in post 1601:
Quote:
Quote:I found The Monkeysphere for you From: **** ********** Sent: 2010.04.25 17:23
The sleazebag is currently at KFIE-Z VIII - Moon 18 - Blood Raiders Logistic Support station in the KFIE-Z system, XPJ1-6 constellation of Delve region.
With regards,
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Gunnanmon
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2010.04.26 14:59:00 -
[1724]
Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2
Originally by: Pr1ncess Alia justice is justice. whether or not you can justify it is a personal matter that is handled individually. somehow i sleep better knowing the hundreds of people that have been systematically exploiting eve are getting what is coming to them.
Originally by: Pr1ncess Alia I'm glad they are getting killed by someone exploiting.
And the at-the-keyboard players that arenÆt cheating and having this exploit used on? They deserve to be cheated on why again?
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MatrixSkye Mk2
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.04.26 15:05:00 -
[1725]
Originally by: Malaclypse Muscaria
Originally by: Xtover
Originally by: Psychotic Maniac Anybody else notice that Monkey has been out of business since this post began?
Already banned I presume.
He's stuck in a C2 (I think that's the size) with a mach... meaning his ****** is stuck and can't get out.
... I'm going to wager that's just the convenient excuse he's using to explain away his inability to continue pulling off his amazing ganking feats now that CCP is watching
Regardless on whether he's "stuck" on a WH or hiding, I'm wagering that he won't be fattening his killboard as he has been doing all along. I expect his kills to go down to more reasonable levels now. At least this will indicate he's stopped using the exploit.
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Tonto Auri
Vhero' Multipurpose Corp
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Posted - 2010.04.26 15:09:00 -
[1726]
Originally by: Silent Wispa I'm sorry, I was being polite, but as thats leading to misunderstanding I'll drop that tack now.
What I mean is, its absolutely impossible for anyone no matter how bright to decypher what means what with the Eve-Online client stream in a mere 2 hours. Infact the majority of the Devs would need more than 2 hours.
The reason it only took huhuhuhuhuhuhuhuh and co. 2 hours is because they had already done it some time ago as they take a very deep interest in how the client works for the production of macro programs. What they've done here is taken the information they've already been using - ie watching the local stream for new clients to automatically move a ship ratting to safety and instead spoofed information to prevent the client appearing in local at all. Then they've gone and stated this must be exactly what the accussed is doing because otherwise their macro bots wouldn't have been failing like they have.
As said already, "2 hours? Why so damn long?" There's just that few of cryptographic algorytms that could be reliable used on realtime connections, it's not a rocket science to figure out, what's going on, if you're working daily with it. It's only for your, uneducated, but wild guess, it should take ages. -- Thanks CCP for cu |
MatrixSkye Mk2
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.04.26 15:11:00 -
[1727]
Originally by: Gunnanmon
Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2
Originally by: Pr1ncess Alia justice is justice. whether or not you can justify it is a personal matter that is handled individually. somehow i sleep better knowing the hundreds of people that have been systematically exploiting eve are getting what is coming to them.
Originally by: Pr1ncess Alia I'm glad they are getting killed by someone exploiting.
And the at-the-keyboard players that arenÆt cheating and having this exploit used on? They deserve to be cheated on why again?
Collateral damage. o_O
And we just let Pandemic Legion decide who's "collateral damage" and who deserves to be cheated on because why exactly? What's so special about PL? Have they been trained by CCP on the use of exploits for the greater cause and been sanctioned by CCP to use exploits on regular playing and paying customers?
STOP. JUSTIFYING. THE. USE. OF. ANY. EXPLOIT.
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Pr1ncess Alia
Caldari Perkone
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Posted - 2010.04.26 15:16:00 -
[1728]
Edited by: Pr1ncess Alia on 26/04/2010 15:17:19
Originally by: Gunnanmon
Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2
Originally by: Pr1ncess Alia justice is justice. whether or not you can justify it is a personal matter that is handled individually. somehow i sleep better knowing the hundreds of people that have been systematically exploiting eve are getting what is coming to them.
Originally by: Pr1ncess Alia I'm glad they are getting killed by someone exploiting.
And the at-the-keyboard players that arenÆt cheating and having this exploit used on? They deserve to be cheated on why again?
Collateral damage. o_O
war is hell
no, your right they don't deserve to be cheated on.
and if you read my whole post instead of snipping pieces of it, i don't suggest it's anything other than cheating.
however i'm speaking a huge portion of the people in this thread. to be clear: that would be those that are benefiting from the macro game and KNOW IT and organized to spam how terrible the local exploit is.
there is this mentality that macros are an unfortunate but accepted part of the game. they are every bit as bad as any other form of cheating
so tell me, where exactly was the 50 page rant/rave thread against them these past few years? sure, it's been mentioned, but not seriously addressed. why? no public outrage
everyone wants to castrate this one player but look the other way at the hundreds of other cheaters. funny isn't it?
sorry to those that are legitimately playing that die to an exploit, it sucks. but WE ARE ALL being effected by the macro exploit. so please, commence with the outrage towards them as well or stfu
Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2
STOP. JUSTIFYING. THE. USE. OF. ANY. EXPLOIT.
i'm not justifying.
only explaining how i enjoy the irony of cheaters being had by cheaters and the hypocrisy of the people in here that would see one man banned while countless others continue to systematically cheat.
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Orephia
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Posted - 2010.04.26 15:18:00 -
[1729]
Originally by: Pr1ncess Alia I'm glad they are getting killed by someone exploiting.
By your poasts your alt-ness has seemed well aligned to the PL camp. I commend you for decloaking & locking onto the primary as their bubble bursts & you warp out. Thanks so much for verifying that The Monkeysphere is exploiting. |
Xtover
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.04.26 15:21:00 -
[1730]
Edited by: Xtover on 26/04/2010 15:21:22
Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2
And we just let Pandemic Legion decide who's "collateral damage" and who deserves to be cheated on because why exactly? What's so special about PL? Have they been trained by CCP on the use of exploits for the greater cause and been sanctioned by CCP to use exploits on regular playing and paying customers?
STOP. JUSTIFYING. THE. USE. OF. ANY. EXPLOIT.
The only exploiting I have any solid proof of, are from those who posted pics and vids in this thread.
Otherwise it's just speculation and assumptions.
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MatrixSkye Mk2
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.04.26 15:35:00 -
[1731]
Originally by: Pr1ncess Alia so tell me, where exactly was the 50 page rant/rave thread against them these past few years? sure, it's been mentioned, but not seriously addressed. why? no public outrage
There is public outrage. The reason why you don't see a 50 page "rant" is because everyone is pretty much in unison that they need to be banned as well. What you're not seeing them do is trolling their calls to be nerfed or even justifying their exploits as Pandemic Legion and followers have been doing on this thread. Be clear, it's 50+pages of back-and-forth bickering, namely PL and friends denying AND justifying the use of this exploit.
Believe me, if bot users were trolling as hard as these Pandemic Legion fools are there would be a 50-page megathread on them.
Quote: everyone wants to castrate this one player but look the other way at the hundreds of other cheaters. funny isn't it?
No one is justifying the use of exploits or bots BUT PL and company. I say ban all the exploit users, from PL AND any others using them.
Quote: sorry to those that are legitimately playing that die to an exploit, it sucks. but WE ARE ALL being effected by the macro exploit.
As apparently we are now being affected by yet another exploit. But this one is being justified as some sort of solver of other exploits.
Quote: so please, commence with the outrage towards them as well or stfu
Sure, I'll start a 50-page thread and fill it up with me typing "BAN ALL BOTTERS" over and over again because obviously this is what this thread is about , amirite? If PL and company stopped trolling and ****ting all over this thread I assure you it would have died long ago. But as some continue to justify and defend this monkey-dude there will continue to be people responding.
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War Kitten
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Posted - 2010.04.26 15:35:00 -
[1732]
Originally by: Pr1ncess Alia
so tell me, where exactly was the 50 page rant/rave thread against them these past few years? sure, it's been mentioned, but not seriously addressed. why? no public outrage
Read more internets.
There are threads started daily about macro ratters and macro miners. There have even been player-run events aimed at hunting macro miners, and not to mention CCP's campaign that banned elventy hundred accounts for macro use / RMT trading.
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BOEHKOP
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Posted - 2010.04.26 15:39:00 -
[1733]
Edited by: BOEHKOP on 26/04/2010 15:39:43
Originally by: Pr1ncess Alia sure, it's been mentioned, but not seriously addressed. why? no public outrage
Jovians care about macro and RMT. Not capsuleers. http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=687
We can try to help w/o cheat their rules.
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MatrixSkye Mk2
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.04.26 15:43:00 -
[1734]
Originally by: Xtover Edited by: Xtover on 26/04/2010 15:21:22
Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2
And we just let Pandemic Legion decide who's "collateral damage" and who deserves to be cheated on because why exactly? What's so special about PL? Have they been trained by CCP on the use of exploits for the greater cause and been sanctioned by CCP to use exploits on regular playing and paying customers?
STOP. JUSTIFYING. THE. USE. OF. ANY. EXPLOIT.
The only exploiting I have any solid proof of, are from those who posted pics and vids in this thread.
Otherwise it's just speculation and assumptions.
Of course . The only "solid" proof you'd accept is the one that doesn't incriminate your buddies with exploits. That is all mere speculation.
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lookatzebirdie
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Posted - 2010.04.26 15:44:00 -
[1735]
Originally by: War Kitten its not rocket surgery
anti macroer anti exploiter 100% PRO RUSSIAN :) |
Pr1ncess Alia
Caldari Perkone
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Posted - 2010.04.26 15:47:00 -
[1736]
Originally by: War Kitten
Originally by: Pr1ncess Alia
so tell me, where exactly was the 50 page rant/rave thread against them these past few years? sure, it's been mentioned, but not seriously addressed. why? no public outrage
Read more internets.
There are threads started daily about macro ratters and macro miners. There have even been player-run events aimed at hunting macro miners, and not to mention CCP's campaign that banned elventy hundred accounts for macro use / RMT trading.
Keep up :)
i'm more than aware the topic is brought up, and often.
just pointing out the hypocrisy that we don't get 50 page threadnaughts of .ru screaming to stop it.
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Xtover
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.04.26 15:57:00 -
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Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2 Of course . The only "solid" proof you'd accept is the one that doesn't incriminate your buddies with exploits. That is all mere speculation.
my buddies?
They're just as random to me as you are. But I'm not going to sit there and state a fact without any proof.
You see a lot of kills and people whining they didn't see him in local.
going off that, nunununu goes and shows off a no local exploit within hours.
Suddenly you apply nunununu's exploit to monkeysphere based on conjecture.
conjecture: the formation of judgments or opinions on the basis of incomplete or inconclusive information
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baltec1
Antares Shipyards Aeternus.
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Posted - 2010.04.26 16:10:00 -
[1738]
You know, its going to be funny if it turns out monkeyman doesn't cheat afterall.
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Wyn Pharoh
Gallente Deep Stage THE-FEDERATION
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Posted - 2010.04.26 16:17:00 -
[1739]
Originally by: Pr1ncess Alia
where are our .ru friends screaming and crying for ccp to fix the macro issue eh?
good question ain't it
Seriously. Perhaps if the community that has made the greatest contribution to this threadnaught had in fact begun policing their own years ago, there would be a great deal less sympathy for any exploit that Monkeysphere is alleged to have abused. All of those in the .ru community must see the absurdity of this one exploiter being targeted while there is a collective silence, if not an open acceptance of hundreds, if not thousands, of exploiters within the same ranks?
I've been shot at and been shooting back at russians ingame since day one, so I know they are not all macrolords, but seriously, where is the community pride when it comes to the obvious reality that the general eve community has come to believe that russians=macros. Simply, if you all had done your best to make Eve an exploit free gaming environment years ago, there would be absolutely no moral high ground for the 'accused' to have in the first place. He'd be just another alleged hacker griefing an ethnic group and the majority of the thinking Eve community would be begging CCP to swiftly begin wielding their ban-hammers.
"Bad men need nothing more to compress their ends than that the good men should look on and do nothing." JS Mill 1867
Variations on the above quote abound, it should not be to difficult to translate and it should hopefully shed some light on how, in this context, there are those that would cheer on anyone or any means that may be targeting the by now legendary macrobotters that are found rampant in .ru community sov. systems.
Too bad for the very few live players possibly caught up in this mess. Who is to say that they weren't at the keyboard running a script though? Perhaps they were just bad at Eve and made themselves easy kills. Perhaps they are the collateral damage required for everyone in the .ru community to wake up and get busy about dealing with the sorry state of affairs in .ru sov. systems. Time to get busy in my Russian neighbor's backyard with a few bubbles though, it looks like I have some work to do for my own part in contributing to removing macrobots using legitimate game mechanics. I'm so glad all of this was brought to the attention of the greater Eve community.
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Xtover
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.04.26 16:20:00 -
[1740]
the funny thing is that many would never have thought to anchor a bubble in a belt to stop a macro.
this might be better than ratting... and easier
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Maisonian
Amarr The Green Machine Aeternus.
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Posted - 2010.04.26 16:21:00 -
[1741]
In b4 'our logs show nothing' from CCP...
Ohwai... Please resize your signature to the maximum allowed of 400 x 120 pixels with a maximum file size of 24000 bytes. Navigator |
Gunnanmon
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2010.04.26 16:43:00 -
[1742]
Originally by: Maisonian In b4 'our logs show nothing' from CCP...
Ohwai...
..you know it's coming. Signature locked for discussing moderation. Navigator
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar Vahrokh Consulting
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Posted - 2010.04.26 17:25:00 -
[1743]
Quote:
I've been shot at and been shooting back at russians ingame since day one, so I know they are not all macrolords, but seriously, where is the community pride when it comes to the obvious reality that the general eve community has come to believe that russians=macros. Simply, if you all had done your best to make Eve an exploit free gaming environment years ago, there would be absolutely no moral high ground for the 'accused' to have in the first place
Basically, anyone to make in *2 hours* a video of botting, how to implement it, how to counter it, source code for it, and petition CCP enough to get them post on the forums?
And also, 57 pages of people DEMANDING a prompt fix since the above proof of concept? - Auditing & consulting
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Avon
Caldari Versatech Co. Aeternus.
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Posted - 2010.04.26 17:31:00 -
[1744]
Originally by: baltec1 You know, its going to be funny if it turns out monkeyman doesn't cheat afterall.
I don't think you understand the basic concept of humour.
What would actually be funny is if CCP sent him an exploding parcel of pink custard, guilty or not. Or, pushing the surreal analogy to the max, you making a decent post. Signature removed, please only use English on the forums. Zymurgist Okay sweet-cheeks xxx. Avon |
Sply Smug'lor
Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2010.04.26 17:38:00 -
[1745]
im pretty sure that even if CCP was not logging the entering of local chat, per some of the GM responses reportedly received, CCP is trying to come up with a method of determining whether or not a person was in local using server data from the days in question. I'm sure the delay in patching is a result of aforementioned reason and the fact that changing client side code can be tedious and time consuming. Lets just hope that the bug is fixed soon and that those who abused it are banned.
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baltec1
Antares Shipyards Aeternus.
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Posted - 2010.04.26 17:38:00 -
[1746]
Originally by: Avon
Originally by: baltec1 You know, its going to be funny if it turns out monkeyman doesn't cheat afterall.
I don't think you understand the basic concept of humour.
What would actually be funny is if CCP sent him an exploding parcel of pink custard, guilty or not. Or, pushing the surreal analogy to the max, you making a decent post.
Personally I would send him a russian hat and a bottle of vodka if he gets banned.
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kaisersauzee
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Posted - 2010.04.26 17:42:00 -
[1747]
Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2 Believe me, if bot users were trolling as hard as these Pandemic Legion fools are there would be a 50-page megathread on them.
but there`s no RL iskies to be made from trolling
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Bimjo
Caldari SKULLDOGS
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Posted - 2010.04.26 17:44:00 -
[1748]
Originally by: baltec1
Originally by: Avon
Originally by: baltec1 You know, its going to be funny if it turns out monkeyman doesn't cheat afterall.
I don't think you understand the basic concept of humour.
What would actually be funny is if CCP sent him an exploding parcel of pink custard, guilty or not. Or, pushing the surreal analogy to the max, you making a decent post.
Personally I would send him a russian hat and a bottle of vodka if he gets banned.
Guilty by association. CCP , ban him !
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baltec1
Antares Shipyards Aeternus.
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Posted - 2010.04.26 17:46:00 -
[1749]
Originally by: Bimjo Guilty by association. CCP , ban him !
Oh noes
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Grath Telkin
Amarr Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.04.26 17:58:00 -
[1750]
An xxdeathxx member posted this in CAOD, which will inevitably get locked, so I'm quoting it and moving it here, so it gets added to the heap.
Its an interesting perspective from one of the russians:
Originally by: FireIceHulk I may be a bit biased here as I do not come from a poor background as most russians do. But it makes me kinda of wonder about all the false propaganda on these forums. The big russian alliances I know AAA, solar, xxdeathxx, IT(russians members, idk about us players) and to some extent even RA(though not many of them) use macros. Many of them use it as way to make a living, but to me they are more like slaves to the shop they work for. AAA of all the alliances is the most prolific of macro farmers, and taught the russian community about this neat exploit one might say. But is it really a exploit? idk, its just automated system.. so to some extent I see nothing bad about macros. What is not good is RMT, its like blood diamonds, people are slaves to their owners for cheap pay. Not the fair communistic russians i know being controlled by capitalism s****greed. I used to think chinese were the sweatshop farmers, but now that I look at it so are the russians.
Now recently on russians forums external/and internal we have had alot of unrest, and lots of trouble. People have been trying to find a way to combat macros. For years we tried to get rid of these macro killers, but ccp said it is within game mechanics. We have no idea what the mechanic is, but some say monkey can be invisible in local?? idk about this. I have seen no proof, and it makes me chuckle when on russian forums we make something fake, and people here actually believe the propaganda. And I hear monkey is actually banned because of these fake videos?? )) I dont like monkey very much either because he killed my raven that was not macro, but this is not the honorable way to act to make lies =/
As I see it your attacking pl on lies. Though they are prolific smack talkers, I see them as one of the great honors of this game. Unlike BOB/IT they never had a dev cheat or macros, unlike most russians they never exploit or use macros. Everything I have seen them do is within the game. Well you can say there are alot of RMT'rs in IT,aaa, and that drone region is hard without macro. And I know pl use alts to tackle ships, but that is not cheating, that is fair in game. Im surprised pl even took down bob when they had devs and all this inside information. So instead of hating the 'player' one might say, lets hate the 'game'. And lets honor alliance such as pl.
So I ask russian community to stop the fake bs propaganda. ANd I can't believe monkey got banned for this fake stuff to protect a few russian capitalistic greedy bastards. Tell them to go get money a real way and stop working for them. I did this a long time ago when they approached me, but like i said I am not poor, maybe its why I roll this way. SO i can understand that.
from moscow, best wishes
Source: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1308483&sid=711885439
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romek mablung
Caldari OWS Research and Development
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Posted - 2010.04.26 18:10:00 -
[1751]
If there was exploit...it WILL get patched.If there are on killboards exploit users,and they can be detected via serverside logs-they will be banned.Who they were-time will show.My inner magic says though...Monkeysquad killstreak is effectively ended...from now on-they will be mere mortals with 1-x(put avg 0.0 hunter kills)per active cameplay day.Case closed!
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Lee Kin
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Posted - 2010.04.26 18:22:00 -
[1752]
Originally by: Grath Telkin An xxdeathxx member posted this in CAOD, which will inevitably get locked, so I'm quoting it and moving it here, so it gets added to the heap.
Its an interesting perspective from one of the russians:
Originally by: FireIceHulk I may be a bit biased here as I do not come from a poor background as most russians do. But it makes me kinda of wonder about all the false propaganda on these forums. The big russian alliances I know AAA, solar, xxdeathxx, IT(russians members, idk about us players) and to some extent even RA(though not many of them) use macros. Many of them use it as way to make a living, but to me they are more like slaves to the shop they work for. AAA of all the alliances is the most prolific of macro farmers, and taught the russian community about this neat exploit one might say. But is it really a exploit? idk, its just automated system.. so to some extent I see nothing bad about macros. What is not good is RMT, its like blood diamonds, people are slaves to their owners for cheap pay. Not the fair communistic russians i know being controlled by capitalism s****greed. I used to think chinese were the sweatshop farmers, but now that I look at it so are the russians.
Now recently on russians forums external/and internal we have had alot of unrest, and lots of trouble. People have been trying to find a way to combat macros. For years we tried to get rid of these macro killers, but ccp said it is within game mechanics. We have no idea what the mechanic is, but some say monkey can be invisible in local?? idk about this. I have seen no proof, and it makes me chuckle when on russian forums we make something fake, and people here actually believe the propaganda. And I hear monkey is actually banned because of these fake videos?? )) I dont like monkey very much either because he killed my raven that was not macro, but this is not the honorable way to act to make lies =/
As I see it your attacking pl on lies. Though they are prolific smack talkers, I see them as one of the great honors of this game. Unlike BOB/IT they never had a dev cheat or macros, unlike most russians they never exploit or use macros. Everything I have seen them do is within the game. Well you can say there are alot of RMT'rs in IT,aaa, and that drone region is hard without macro. And I know pl use alts to tackle ships, but that is not cheating, that is fair in game. Im surprised pl even took down bob when they had devs and all this inside information. So instead of hating the 'player' one might say, lets hate the 'game'. And lets honor alliance such as pl.
So I ask russian community to stop the fake bs propaganda. ANd I can't believe monkey got banned for this fake stuff to protect a few russian capitalistic greedy bastards. Tell them to go get money a real way and stop working for them. I did this a long time ago when they approached me, but like i said I am not poor, maybe its why I roll this way. SO i can understand that.
from moscow, best wishes
Source: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1308483&sid=711885439
4 month old character, been in new corp 3 days....you're reaching to a new level of lame.
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Barakkus
Caelestis Iudicium
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Posted - 2010.04.26 18:22:00 -
[1753]
Why not just make local in 0.0 work like wormholes? Problem solved.
Originally by: CCP Dropbear
rofl
edit: ah crap, dev account. Oh well, official rofl at you sir.
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Ephemeron
G-Force Enterprises Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2010.04.26 18:25:00 -
[1754]
Originally by: Grath Telkin An xxdeathxx member posted this in CAOD, which will inevitably get locked, so I'm quoting it and moving it here, so it gets added to the heap.
Its an interesting perspective from one of the russians:
Originally by: FireIceHulk ...
Source: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1308483&sid=711885439
FireIceHulk does not sound Russian. It's an act, I'm sorry to say. I really dislike fakery
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Grath Telkin
Amarr Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.04.26 18:34:00 -
[1755]
Edited by: Grath Telkin on 26/04/2010 18:34:53
Originally by: Lee Kin
4 month old character, been in new corp 3 days....you're reaching to a new level of lame.
How is cross posting lame?
Originally by: Ephemeron FireIceHulk does not sound Russian. It's an act, I'm sorry to say. I really dislike fakery
It could be, only, I'm not qualified to be the judge of its authenticity based on the facts presented (see the theme).
He could be new, maybe he knew somebody in xxdeathxx, how the hell should I know.
He uses semi broken and incorrect english, he's in a russian alliance (at least what i would call a russian alliance), and he posted on the forums.
Obviously, according to this thread, that pretty much solidifies his standings as a good witness.
If thats a fake russian, can you guys start tagging all your legit witnesses?
The list of which ones I'm allowed to believe, and which ones I'm not allowed to believe is getting pretty extensive.
EDIT: Hi Ephemeron, how's life.
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Romale
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.04.26 18:39:00 -
[1756]
Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2
Originally by: Gunnanmon
Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2
Originally by: Pr1ncess Alia justice is justice. whether or not you can justify it is a personal matter that is handled individually. somehow i sleep better knowing the hundreds of people that have been systematically exploiting eve are getting what is coming to them.
Originally by: Pr1ncess Alia I'm glad they are getting killed by someone exploiting.
And the at-the-keyboard players that arenÆt cheating and having this exploit used on? They deserve to be cheated on why again?
Collateral damage. o_O
And we just let Pandemic Legion decide who's "collateral damage" and who deserves to be cheated on because why exactly? What's so special about PL? Have they been trained by CCP on the use of exploits for the greater cause and been sanctioned by CCP to use exploits on regular playing and paying customers?
STOP. JUSTIFYING. THE. USE. OF. ANY. EXPLOIT.
O, i was done with this thread? but you made me come back for a post, i personally think PL is uniquely qualified to be the police with all the powers including the one to beat your face in and the one on collateral damage as we hate all of you equally :D
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Ephemeron
G-Force Enterprises Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2010.04.26 18:49:00 -
[1757]
I don't really care about this thread anymore, I just find it amusing how fake FireIceHulk sounded as he pretended to be Russian. Granted, there is a chance he's really Russian, but it still sounds all wrong
Anyway, the important thing is that CCP are aware of the vulnerability which can be exploited. They'll fix it. As for monkey and Pandemic leadership involvement? no amount of forum speculation is going to give accurate facts. Only GMs have ability to verify data with their servers. Maybe they'll put out a statement, tho CCP isn't particularly interested in informing the public honestly, any more than both sides of this thread.
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Deros
Minmatar Black Omega Security Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.04.26 18:50:00 -
[1758]
FireIceHulk < If actually an honest post = legend.
on a related note, monkey kills stupid people
on another related note, lol @ macro users
on a less related note, WTS 'Monkey' modified Sphere I
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Xtover
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.04.26 18:54:00 -
[1759]
confirming that "sphere" is an awesome name for any kind of exlpoiting program, real or not.
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Psychotic Maniac
Caldari Head Shrinkers
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Posted - 2010.04.26 19:02:00 -
[1760]
Originally by: Romale O, i was done with this thread?
So, does that mean you were finally going to uncloak? Please stay cloaked, we'll miss you around here.
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AdmiralJohn
The Unknown Bar and Pub Elysium Alliance
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Posted - 2010.04.26 19:03:00 -
[1761]
Is this thread done yet?
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Taua Roqa
Minmatar Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2010.04.26 19:17:00 -
[1762]
i, too, am from russia, and make a living from filming fake **** scenes in war torn villages (you can see me in such films as 'suck my fat Chernobyl' and 'Stalin ****s Palin'), and i don't know any other russians who use macro, but i know some japanese who film fake **** scenes in subway trains who do.
no really, the PL posters and their alts in this thread are f'in ridiculous.
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Caldari Billboard
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Posted - 2010.04.26 19:26:00 -
[1763]
Originally by: Taua Roqa i, too, am from russia, and make a living from filming fake **** scenes in war torn villages (you can see me in such films as 'suck my fat Chernobyl' and 'Stalin ****s Palin'), and i don't know any other russians who use macro, but i know some japanese who film fake **** scenes in subway trains who do.
no really, the PL posters and their alts in this thread are f'in ridiculous.
hi pl alt
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baltec1
Antares Shipyards Aeternus.
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Posted - 2010.04.26 19:31:00 -
[1764]
Originally by: AdmiralJohn Is this thread done yet?
The interesting bits are. From now on its just gonna be populated by trolls.
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Ecks Orion
Proposition Thirteen Taboo.
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Posted - 2010.04.26 19:33:00 -
[1765]
Originally by: Pr1ncess Alia Edited by: Pr1ncess Alia on 26/04/2010 15:52:04
Originally by: War Kitten
Originally by: Pr1ncess Alia
so tell me, where exactly was the 50 page rant/rave thread against them these past few years? sure, it's been mentioned, but not seriously addressed. why? no public outrage
Read more internets.
There are threads started daily about macro ratters and macro miners. There have even been player-run events aimed at hunting macro miners, and not to mention CCP's campaign that banned elventy hundred accounts for macro use / RMT trading.
Keep up :)
i'm more than aware the topic is brought up, and often.
just pointing out the hypocrisy that we don't get 50 page threadnaughts of .ru screaming to stop it.
unholy rage was a drop in the bucket. not the be all and end all solution. CCP needs to up their game against it and need to start looking at more intelligent solutions in game to make macro anything nearly impossible.
AI for rats is a joke. For the isk to be had in 0.0 it should involve much more than it does
respawning npcs could easliy be adjusted to anticipate generic attack patterns and spawn/react/engage accordingly
This is a dumb argument.
The reason this is a 50+ page threadnought is because there are people defending it. If everyone agreed that this was a problem, it would have gone a page or two, then faded into obscurity.
That's why you don't see huge threads about macro ratting. Everyone hates it, so there'd be no arguing or defending it.
"Ban macro ratters!" "Yep." "+1" "Agree!" etc etc etc.
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Ellatan Deruimte
Surreal corp Stain Empire
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Posted - 2010.04.26 19:47:00 -
[1766]
There wasn't a single post in this thread from the Russian players justifying the use of macros. We are against macro botting, if you come across one, report them to CCP, they should deal with them. At the same time, there were dozens of posts from Pandemic Legion and their alts, justifying the use of an exploit and cheating. That pretty much sums up this thread.
FYI, Shadow of xXDEATHXx is not a Russian alliance, they are renters of all nationalities and pay dues to Legion of xXDEATHXx, who are actually Russians.
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Jeneroux
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.04.26 20:03:00 -
[1767]
Do you Americans all know each other?
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Ranka Mei
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.04.26 20:07:00 -
[1768]
Edited by: Ranka Mei on 26/04/2010 20:07:58
Originally by: Malaclypse Muscaria
Originally by: Xtover He's stuck in a C2 (I think that's the size) with a mach... meaning his ****** is stuck and can't get out.
... I'm going to wager that's just the convenient excuse he's using to explain away his inability to continue pulling off his amazing ganking feats now that CCP is watching
^^ This.
Originally by: Pr1ncess Alia there is this mentality that macros are an unfortunate but accepted part of the game. they are every bit as bad as any other form of cheating.
Actually, there's a good reason for that. Macro-mining is automating an otherwise in-bounds activity. It's illegal, because you're expressly forbidden to tamper with the EVE client and/or its communication with the server, but you're still operating within the existing 'physics' of the game. Cheating is of entirely other order of magnitude, as cheaters like the Monkster rewrite the entire physics of the EVE universe themselves: they can hide where they're supposed to be visible; they can magically, and instantly, transport themselves over great distances, and/or fleet up with friend and foe alike. Clearly exploits must always have priority when it comes to deciding which needs to be stopped first.
For the record, all macro-miners should be banned too. But I want the Monkeyman trickery stopped first. If CCP manages to catch a few hundred macro-miners in the process as well, all the better. But this Monkey exploit is an acute danger, a game-breaking mechanism that cannot be allowed to persist. -- Gorgeous, delicious, deculture! |
HarrietMiers
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2010.04.26 21:45:00 -
[1769]
This thread.
Thank you for reminding me that an awful lot of incredibly stupid people play eve.
Protip: someone pointing out that you whiny carebears are getting pwnt and crying like girls doesn't make them a PL alt, it makes them rational human beings. By all means, keep crying though.
Monkey, you are my new hero in EVE and something every bear hunter should aspire to. I'd send you isk, but something tells me you have far more than I'll ever see.
Please, keep the tears flowing.
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Dirk Culliford
H A V O C Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.04.26 22:34:00 -
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Hi Guys, what's going on in this thread?
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HarrietMiers
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2010.04.26 23:19:00 -
[1771]
Originally by: Dirk Culliford Hi Guys, what's going on in this thread?
Lots of idiots whining.
Some p. good trolling by PL.
The usual.
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar Vahrokh Consulting
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Posted - 2010.04.26 23:54:00 -
[1772]
Edited by: Vaerah Vahrokha on 26/04/2010 23:55:28
Quote:
Actually, there's a good reason for that. Macro-mining is automating an otherwise in-bounds activity. It's illegal, because you're expressly forbidden to tamper with the EVE client and/or its communication with the server, but you're still operating within the existing 'physics' of the game
I know there are bots that don't intrude in the client (the so called "OCR" kind) but I am pretty sure that to achieve the maximum multi-boxing an approach based on sending TCP / IP packets is more effective. In that case, the bot would do something even worse than "just" introducing delays in a chat.
Bots are cheats (that is worse than exploits, exploits are "smart usage of game mechanics" that get silently nerfed the next patch) and as such have to be treated.
Furthermore Monkey could be an in game cheater, but bots - when used for RMT - are RL stealing CCP off intellectual property. Maybe some country could even prosecute them.
One thing of EvE that always baffled me: even in supposedly less blue blooded MMOs the players actively hunt bots and kill them and consider them the lowliest of the low.
In EvE, instead, the consensus splits into:
- "Let them be, what bad do they do after all"
- "Poor guys in <enter here poor country> have to feed somehow"
- "Alliance X and Y have bots therefore it's fair we also use them".
- "Bots take too long to kill, let them be".
- "First fix / nerf / debug <place here long standing lost cause> and then deal with bots".
- "Many features in EvE are boring and grindy, bots help automate them".
Basically, a sad excuse for a mafia, with too many parties who have all to gain by letting bots running wild therefore they will NOT i.e. report corpies botting, will not scream murder every day till CCP puts dedicated employees only after researching for bots, will close one, two or even three eyes when seeing an evident macro in action.
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FactorLT
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Posted - 2010.04.27 00:34:00 -
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Jezus :D PL you starting to be ridiculos,not posting with the alts but also inventing russians who explains about boting and so on :D look at the guys who defending PL is PL guys and some npc corps or god knows what kind of corps guys:D and stop trying to push point others we talking about you at the moment and your space magic! BAN EVEYONE,macros ,botters ,exploiters! In RA we trust |
D3rg3
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Posted - 2010.04.27 00:46:00 -
[1774]
Originally by: Silent Wispa its absolutely impossible for anyone no matter how bright to decypher what means what with the Eve-Online client stream in a mere 2 hours.
if you dont know what you are talking about when it comes to packet capture, then how can you even remotely make this claim ?
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Flinx Evenstar
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.04.27 01:42:00 -
[1775]
Originally by: FactorLT Jezus :D PL you starting to be ridiculos,not posting with the alts but also inventing russians who explains about boting and so on :D look at the guys who defending PL is PL guys and some npc corps or god knows what kind of corps guys:D and stop trying to push point others we talking about you at the moment and your space magic! BAN EVEYONE,macros ,botters ,exploiters!
Sup o/
Monkey Magic explained --- Witness epic fleet battles in Dominion
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Ton Phannon
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Posted - 2010.04.27 02:08:00 -
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I broke a cardinal rule of forum posting. I only read the first 10 of 58 pages before posting.
It disturbs me that so many people seem to think that if someone is violating a rule/law/etc that if you go after those rule breakers in an illegal way yourself then you must be doing something good. What ever happened to the age old saying, "Two wrongs don't make a right." I think someone said it best when they stated that they hoped CCP would Ban Monkey and his friends, then start an unholy crusade II against macros.
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Seth Ruin
Minmatar Ominous Corp Primary.
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Posted - 2010.04.27 02:17:00 -
[1777]
Originally by: Ton Phannon I broke a cardinal rule of forum posting. I only read the first 10 of 58 pages before posting.
Don't worry. The other 48 pages are basically the same crap being repeated over and over.
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HarrietMiers
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2010.04.27 02:21:00 -
[1778]
Originally by: Flinx Evenstar
Originally by: FactorLT Jezus :D PL you starting to be ridiculos,not posting with the alts but also inventing russians who explains about boting and so on :D look at the guys who defending PL is PL guys and some npc corps or god knows what kind of corps guys:D and stop trying to push point others we talking about you at the moment and your space magic! BAN EVEYONE,macros ,botters ,exploiters!
Sup o/
Monkey Magic explained
+1 rep for that vid.
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Jobby
Minmatar Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2010.04.27 03:19:00 -
[1779]
Originally by: Flinx Evenstar
Originally by: FactorLT Jezus :D PL you starting to be ridiculos,not posting with the alts but also inventing russians who explains about boting and so on :D look at the guys who defending PL is PL guys and some npc corps or god knows what kind of corps guys:D and stop trying to push point others we talking about you at the moment and your space magic! BAN EVEYONE,macros ,botters ,exploiters!
Sup o/
Monkey Magic explained
Tripitaka died at the age of 27, ouch :/
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FireIceHulk
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Posted - 2010.04.27 03:45:00 -
[1780]
Originally by: Ephemeron
Originally by: Grath Telkin An xxdeathxx member posted this in CAOD, which will inevitably get locked, so I'm quoting it and moving it here, so it gets added to the heap.
Its an interesting perspective from one of the russians:
Originally by: FireIceHulk ...
Source: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1308483&sid=711885439
FireIceHulk does not sound Russian. It's an act, I'm sorry to say. I really dislike fakery
This is really laughable. I am well educated, and am well versed in english. If you had access to solar or xxdeathxx forums you would know how they work instead of talking about something you know nothing about. It is really laughable that so few know what solar is all about, they are so careless and post all this information. They do not care because they will not get banned, they leave this all out in the open. However you suggest otherwise, giving a knee jerk reaction like that of bill oreilly. With no facts you come out attacking me, its really sick this American attitude of I am right, you are wrong always procluding everywhere today.. not just America. I have been in AAA before, and one toonie right now in solar(biggest macros). You obviously have not.
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Ellatan Deruimte
Surreal corp Stain Empire
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Posted - 2010.04.27 03:59:00 -
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Originally by: FireIceHulk This is really laughable. I am well educated, and am well versed in english. If you had access to solar or xxdeathxx forums you would know how they work instead of talking about something you know nothing about. It is really laughable that so few know what solar is all about, they are so careless and post all this information. They do not care because they will not get banned, they leave this all out in the open. However you suggest otherwise, giving a knee jerk reaction like that of bill oreilly. With no facts you come out attacking me, its really sick this American attitude of I am right, you are wrong always procluding everywhere today.. not just America. I have been in AAA before, and one toonie right now in solar(biggest macros). You obviously have not.
Emmm... You are Legion of xXDEATHXx slave, paying them tribute to live in their systems. There are 3600 more people like you slaving away. Claiming that you have any sort of "inside" information on Solar or whoever is pretty laughable. If you do, then go ahead and post screenshots from their forums, would be a laugh to read. BTW you are not Russian.
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FireIceHulk
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Posted - 2010.04.27 04:19:00 -
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Ellatan Deruimte, its funny. Do you deny that you or your corp has ever used a macro? We all know the answer, stop the bull****.
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Ellatan Deruimte
Surreal corp Stain Empire
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Posted - 2010.04.27 04:34:00 -
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Edited by: Ellatan Deruimte on 27/04/2010 04:36:50
Originally by: FireIceHulk Ellatan Deruimte, its funny. Do you deny that you or your corp has ever used a macro? We all know the answer, stop the bull****.
Confirm, Surreal doesn't use macrobots and hasn't ever used them. So much for the "super secret" information on Solar Fleet and Legion of xXDEATHXx, huh? Continue to slave away for your masters then. I think it's pretty cool though, that you want to pass off as a Russian, next time you should put a little effort into it.
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FireIceHulk
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Posted - 2010.04.27 04:44:00 -
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Originally by: Ellatan Deruimte Edited by: Ellatan Deruimte on 27/04/2010 04:36:50
Originally by: FireIceHulk Ellatan Deruimte, its funny. Do you deny that you or your corp has ever used a macro? We all know the answer, stop the bull****.
Confirm, Surreal doesn't use macrobots and hasn't ever used them. So much for the "super secret" information on Solar Fleet and Legion of xXDEATHXx, huh? Continue to slave away for your masters then. I think it's pretty cool though, that you want to pass off as a Russian, next time you should put a little effort into it.
Solar and xxdeathxx don't use macros also? your unreal. Eve-ru is even a public russian site, solar guys posted the bot from their forums on the public forum on accident then it was deleted. Did you miss this, or is it still a :mystery: for you?
I am sorry it could be quite possible that surreal does not have macros. But would you like to confirm that your alliance does not?
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Ellatan Deruimte
Surreal corp Stain Empire
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Posted - 2010.04.27 05:20:00 -
[1785]
Lets recap on what you said so far:
Originally by: FireIceHulk
This is really laughable. I am well educated, and am well versed in english.
Nope, not really.
Quote: If you had access to solar or xxdeathxx forums you would know how they work instead of talking about something you know nothing about.
You don't have access.
Quote: It is really laughable that so few know what solar is all about, they are so careless and post all this information. They do not care because they will not get banned, they leave this all out in the open.
Since you don't have access, this are just plain lies.
Quote: However you suggest otherwise, giving a knee jerk reaction like that of bill oreilly. With no facts you come out attacking me, its really sick this American attitude of I am right, you are wrong always procluding everywhere today.. not just America. I have been in AAA before, and one toonie right now in solar(biggest macros). You obviously have not.
You haven't been in AAA or Solar, sorry.
Originally by: FireIceHulk
Solar and xxdeathxx don't use macros also? your unreal. Eve-ru is even a public russian site, solar guys posted the bot from their forums on the public forum on accident then it was deleted. Did you miss this, or is it still a :mystery: for you?
I am sorry it could be quite possible that surreal does not have macros. But would you like to confirm that your alliance does not?
Is EVE-RU your super secret forum, which gave you the access to all that information about Legion of Death and Solar? You make me laugh. I haven't seen any posts about bots by Solar Fleet. There is also a big difference between Solar Fleet and Solar Wing, just like there is a huge difference between Legion of Death and Shadow of Death. Solar Wing and Shadow of Death are just renter slaves, they are not exclusively Russian, nobody cares what they do as long as they pay up.
Yes, my alliance doesn't macrobot, I'd like to confirm it, sure.
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FireIceHulk
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Posted - 2010.04.27 06:26:00 -
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Your flat out lying if your saying xxdeathxx and solar don't have bots programs on their forums. I am looking at them right now, are you blind?
Also just fyi Burn Eden got their botting program from stain empire.
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Huhuhuhuhuhuh
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Posted - 2010.04.27 06:41:00 -
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Originally by: FireIceHulk Your flat out lying if your saying xxdeathxx and solar don't have bots programs on their forums. I am looking at them right now, are you blind?
Also just fyi Burn Eden got their botting program from stain empire.
I dont understand all this political mumbo jumbo of eve, but am i right that there are 2 alliances. Masters (Legion of xdeath) and slaves (Shadow of xdeath). Slave pay to masters isk for systems they use. So are you in slave or master part ?
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FireIceHulk
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Posted - 2010.04.27 06:47:00 -
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Originally by: Huhuhuhuhuhuh
Originally by: FireIceHulk Your flat out lying if your saying xxdeathxx and solar don't have bots programs on their forums. I am looking at them right now, are you blind?
Also just fyi Burn Eden got their botting program from stain empire.
I dont understand all this political mumbo jumbo of eve, but am i right that there are 2 alliances. Masters (Legion of xdeath) and slaves (Shadow of xdeath). Slave pay to masters isk for systems they use. So are you in slave or master part ?
My main is Solar Fleet for pvp, but of course I won't post my main because I will be targeted and kicked from alliance most likely. I don't think xxdeathxx members are having a collective get together on eve forums, so I doubt they even see me post here. But Solar certainly does.. I still have some friends in Solar I like which is why I stay, but there is always a bad side to every coin. ))
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Huhuhuhuhuhuh
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Posted - 2010.04.27 06:51:00 -
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Originally by: FireIceHulk
My main is Solar Fleet for pvp, but of course I won't post my main because I will be targeted and kicked from alliance most likely. I don't think xxdeathxx members are having a collective get together on eve forums, so I doubt they even see me post here. But Solar certainly does.. I still have some friends in Solar I like which is why I stay, but there is always a bad side to every coin. ))
So you claim to be in the master's alliance and claim that no only they get monies from slaves, but also macro themselves. Though you fail to provide any proof of being in said alliance and fail to provide any proof of macro usage which as you claim is posted on their forums. I believe this scores as 0/10 on my troll-o-meter.
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FireIceHulk
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Posted - 2010.04.27 06:56:00 -
[1790]
Originally by: Huhuhuhuhuhuh
Originally by: FireIceHulk
My main is Solar Fleet for pvp, but of course I won't post my main because I will be targeted and kicked from alliance most likely. I don't think xxdeathxx members are having a collective get together on eve forums, so I doubt they even see me post here. But Solar certainly does.. I still have some friends in Solar I like which is why I stay, but there is always a bad side to every coin. ))
So you claim to be in the master's alliance and claim that no only they get monies from slaves, but also macro themselves. Though you fail to provide any proof of being in said alliance and fail to provide any proof of macro usage which as you claim is posted on their forums. I believe this scores as 0/10 on my troll-o-meter.
You know it gets kinda dull when you try and act like solar/xxdeathxx don't macro. When all the hostiles come can see it for themselves. And its all over their internal forums. And its eve on eve-ru a site that everyone can see. You are really grasping for straws telling me SOLAR doesn't use macros.
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Gnulpie
Minmatar Miner Tech
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Posted - 2010.04.27 07:24:00 -
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Edited by: Gnulpie on 27/04/2010 07:25:25 From the EULA
Quote: You may not use your own or third-party software to modify any content appearing within the Game environment or change how the Game is played.
Quote: You will not attempt to reverse engineer, hack or by any other means try to change code or game files nor in any way capture, decipher or interfere with transmissions to or from the game servers...
Quote: You will not encourage any one else to violate these rules.
That is pretty clear.
All that stuff about 'we used exploits only to fight macros' is total BS and I hope that everyone using exploits and cheats will get the big banhammer.
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Huhuhuhuhuhuh
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Posted - 2010.04.27 07:26:00 -
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Originally by: FireIceHulk
You know it gets kinda dull when you try and act like solar/xxdeathxx don't macro. When all the hostiles come can see it for themselves. And its all over their internal forums. And its eve on eve-ru a site that everyone can see. You are really grasping for straws telling me SOLAR doesn't use macros.
I am not telling you anything since i have no opinion on the matter. All I ask - either provide some substance to your claims or kindly admit that you are talking out of your ass.
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FireIceHulk
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Posted - 2010.04.27 07:42:00 -
[1793]
Originally by: Huhuhuhuhuhuh
I am not telling you anything since i have no opinion on the matter. All I ask - either provide some substance to your claims or kindly admit that you are talking out of your ass.
Everyone knows solar use bots. Like I said your grasping on straws. And you for sure must be a macro, to be defending this so bitterly. You know the ins and outs of botting techniques, even manage to make a exploit to kill them by your own admission. Someone with this vast knowledge in macros must have also had heavy use in them so busy to find a counter for you macro. You probably invented the macro, now your scrambling to find the counter and after 3 years you still got no where to stop the sphere. Now you come begging on forums for people to come save your macro.
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Huhuhuhuhuhuh
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Posted - 2010.04.27 07:50:00 -
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Originally by: FireIceHulk
some text skipped.
So. Proof. Everyone knows is not a proof. I for instance dont know anything. Enlighten me with link/screenshot/fraps whatever. Dump the internal forum with all macrosing on pl public board for the gods sake. But dont come back until you have something to back up your claims.
bye.
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Kadesh Priestess
Scalding Chill
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Posted - 2010.04.27 08:02:00 -
[1795]
Edited by: Kadesh Priestess on 27/04/2010 08:03:06
Originally by: FireIceHulk Everyone knows solar use bots. Like I said your grasping on straws. And you for sure must be a macro, to be defending this so bitterly. You know the ins and outs of botting techniques, even manage to make a exploit to kill them by your own admission. Someone with this vast knowledge in macros must have also had heavy use in them so busy to find a counter for you macro. You probably invented the macro, now your scrambling to find the counter and after 3 years you still got no where to stop the sphere. Now you come begging on forums for people to come save your macro.
Then petition each and every bot you encountered, what's the problem? If you visit russian forum more or less often you should know that I'm hated by the person whose bunch of characters was banned likely due to my petition.
Stop speculating that most of russians are botting. At least, eve-ru.com forums do not encourage or cover macroing/usage of exploits, so macroers are hiding somewhere underground.
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Wyn Pharoh
Gallente Deep Stage THE-FEDERATION
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Posted - 2010.04.27 08:42:00 -
[1796]
Edited by: Wyn Pharoh on 27/04/2010 08:46:27 Edited by: Wyn Pharoh on 27/04/2010 08:43:29
Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha
Quote:
I've been shot at and been shooting back at russians ingame since day one, so I know they are not all macrolords, but seriously, where is the community pride when it comes to the obvious reality that the general eve community has come to believe that russians=macros. Simply, if you all had done your best to make Eve an exploit free gaming environment years ago, there would be absolutely no moral high ground for the 'accused' to have in the first place
Basically, anyone to make in *2 hours* a video of botting, how to implement it, how to counter it, source code for it, and petition CCP enough to get them post on the forums?
And also, 57 pages of people DEMANDING a prompt fix since the above proof of concept?
You totally lost me here Vaerah, and you are one of the more intelligible posters left following this thread. Most of my post was directed towards being bewildered by the .ru community's apparent lack of pride and the apparent unwillingness on their part to deal with the xxxlegion of macrosxxx that infest sov systems held by every .ru community space holding alliance I have come across whilst living in 0.0 for most of my ingame life.
So, I'm totally lost by what you had to say this time...
I will again say in all honesty, it is hypocrisy at it's finest to beg the Eve-O community to turn a blind eye towards the thousands of cheating macrobotters while demanding that one accused exploiter be lynched, tarred & feathered and burned at the stake. If those wacky PL guys (or even just one crazy codemonkey Estonian PL guy) came up with an illegal means to grief bots, then I suppose they will end up suffering the logical consequences.
In the meantime, what are .ru community members doing to actively help make eve an exploit/cheat free environment? Have you reported all the botting posters on your eve.ru website yet? Or are you just going to say 'we don't support bots' while actually doing nothing about a situation that is practically impossible for outsiders to investigate due to the obvious cultural and language barriers that divide Eve? I mean seriously, why should anyone wtf care about dis 'monkey business' as long as an entire cultural community seems content to tolerate the open discussion on their internal and open public forums of cheating (botting) on a gamewide scale?
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Gunnanmon
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2010.04.27 09:45:00 -
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Originally by: FireIceHulk Everyone knows solar use bots.
Not everyone, apparently. Signature locked for discussing moderation. Navigator
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar Vahrokh Consulting
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Posted - 2010.04.27 09:47:00 -
[1798]
Quote:
So, I'm totally lost by what you had to say this time...
I am not English and they did not teach it at school back at my time
I was basically supporting and expanding on the quoted text.
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Deviana Sevidon
Gallente Panta-Rhei Butterfly Effect Alliance
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Posted - 2010.04.27 10:52:00 -
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Apparently there is a "no local" exploit and it is also very clear that a lot of people, not only russians but at least a fairly large number of them, is exploiting by using bots.
Yet this are two different things. The exploit can be used against anyone ratting and saying it should be allowed to continue, or that it is just a minor issue, because bots were the main target is laughable.
Yes, I think it is time for unholy rage 2.0, fire and pitchforks and as target I would target anyone who is using bots to fund their PvP (Burn Eden I am looking at you) or the RL sweatshop farmers, as well as anyone using other exploits, among them the no local-thing.
Even if it means, that two thirds of the 0.0 alliances would be destroyed in the process. At least the rest can enjoy the game with much less lag, fewer exploiting and smaller blobs.
Quote: Disclaimer: All mentioned above contains my opinion and is therefore an absolute truth (for me anyway, my universe, muhahaha.....ok, done
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bella lugosi
Self-Obsessed and Sexxee
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Posted - 2010.04.27 11:45:00 -
[1800]
Edited by: bella lugosi on 27/04/2010 11:46:01
Originally by: Deviana Sevidon
Yes, I think it is time for unholy rage 2.0, fire and pitchforks and as target I would target anyone who is using bots to fund their PvP (Burn Eden I am looking at you) or the RL sweatshop farmers, as well as anyone using other exploits, among them the no local-thing.
Even if it means, that two thirds of the 0.0 alliances would be destroyed in the process. At least the rest can enjoy the game with much less lag, fewer exploiting and smaller blobs.
Yes, i can just see it now, CCP banning thousands of paying customers in a righteous campaign to achieve better player equity, justice, and improving gaming quality for all players.
heh. If ccp had any interest in retaining the integrity of their game they would have acted on many of these issues long ago. Unfortunately Macros, botters and isk farmers account for a significant portion of their subscriptions. So don't hold your breath.
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CCP Navigator
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2010.04.27 11:52:00 -
[1801]
A hotfix has been deployed today which has now fixed this issue.
We would like to thank all of those who submitted bug reports and petitions on this subject.
Navigator Senior Community Representative CCP Hf, EVE Online
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Huhuhuhuhuhuh
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Posted - 2010.04.27 11:55:00 -
[1802]
Originally by: CCP Navigator A hotfix has been deployed today which has now fixed this issue.
We would like to thank all of those who submitted bug reports and petitions on this subject.
Great news, thanks ! Am i free now to brag a bit about bughunting process ?
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Taua Roqa
Minmatar Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2010.04.27 11:58:00 -
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i look forward to monkey resuming his rampant macrokilling.
as, i'm sure, do we all.
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Psychotic Maniac
Caldari Head Shrinkers
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Posted - 2010.04.27 12:01:00 -
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Originally by: Taua Roqa i look forward to monkey resuming his rampant macrokilling.
as, i'm sure, do we all.
Don't you know? The Monkey got perma banned.
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Iteken Hotori
Minmatar Rionnag Alba Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.04.27 12:02:00 -
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Originally by: Taua Roqa i look forward to monkey resuming his rampant macrokilling.
as, i'm sure, do we all.
Looking forward to new tears crew checking in.
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Ranka Mei
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.04.27 12:08:00 -
[1806]
Originally by: Taua Roqa i look forward to monkey resuming his rampant macrokilling.
as, i'm sure, do we all.
Don't hold your breath waiting; the devs just plugged the hole:
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1308891
Now I'm *vewy* curious to see his kill stats hereafter. -- Gorgeous, delicious, deculture! |
Cleopatty
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Posted - 2010.04.27 12:12:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Navigator A hotfix has been deployed today which has now fixed this issue.
We would like to thank all of those who submitted bug reports and petitions on this subject.
WTF, they removed local chat.
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Loko Crackhead
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Posted - 2010.04.27 12:14:00 -
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Edited by: Loko Crackhead on 27/04/2010 12:15:11 @Grath Telkin
I'm sorry, I missed the post that shows monkey killing somebody and not being in local, could you link it?
Don't hold your breath while you wait for that to happen. They accuse Monkey of being a cheat not a moron (first is worse). Trying to patronize all of us with such a stupid comment disqualifies you as an honest conversation partner.
Cheers, Loko!
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Musical Fist
Gallente Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2010.04.27 12:26:00 -
[1809]
Macro ratters rejoice, CCP fixed the problem now 99% of 0.0 can continue to macro rat This is so not my main
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Ick Ickagami
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Posted - 2010.04.27 12:28:00 -
[1810]
Originally by: Psychotic Maniac
Originally by: Taua Roqa i look forward to monkey resuming his rampant macrokilling.
as, i'm sure, do we all.
Don't you know? The Monkey got perma banned.
oreally?
He was logged in just this morning right after DT in an NPC station in Delve.......
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Pr1ncess Alia
Caldari Perkone
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Posted - 2010.04.27 12:34:00 -
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Originally by: Huhuhuhuhuhuh
So. Proof. Everyone knows is not a proof.
ironically (and you and altcity's argument aside), this is the exact case against monkey. "everyone knows he's guilty" is the proof apparently.
also, apparently "everyone knows" he is banned now too
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Sefredius Mengsk
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Posted - 2010.04.27 12:34:00 -
[1812]
Since the exploit is fixed now does someone mind explaining me how that donkey...I mean Monkeysphere achieved the hide-in-local trick?
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Huhuhuhuhuhuh
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Posted - 2010.04.27 12:38:00 -
[1813]
Originally by: Pr1ncess Alia
Originally by: Huhuhuhuhuhuh
So. Proof. Everyone knows is not a proof.
ironically (and you and altcity's argument aside), this is the exact case against monkey. "everyone knows he's guilty" is the proof apparently.
also, apparently "everyone knows" he is banned now too
In this case I have read several reports and looked at killmails, which looked quite fishy given short timeframe of their generation. So its not "everyone knows" case, its "study, compare and make decision" case.
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Pr1ncess Alia
Caldari Perkone
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Posted - 2010.04.27 12:44:00 -
[1814]
Originally by: Huhuhuhuhuhuh
Originally by: Pr1ncess Alia
Originally by: Huhuhuhuhuhuh
So. Proof. Everyone knows is not a proof.
ironically (and you and altcity's argument aside), this is the exact case against monkey. "everyone knows he's guilty" is the proof apparently.
also, apparently "everyone knows" he is banned now too
In this case I have read several reports and looked at killmails, which looked quite fishy given short timeframe of their generation. So its not "everyone knows" case, its "study, compare and make decision" case.
i see. so "everyone knows" is obviously not proof however "you know" is undeniable evidence.
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Huhuhuhuhuhuh
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Posted - 2010.04.27 12:44:00 -
[1815]
Originally by: Sefredius Mengsk Since the exploit is fixed now does someone mind explaining me how that donkey...I mean Monkeysphere achieved the hide-in-local trick?
I asked in this thread if i get bragging rights :)
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My Postman
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Posted - 2010.04.27 12:45:00 -
[1816]
A "Hotfix" and that is it?
60 Pages of rampage and you hotfix it? What happens to Monkeydude along with his cheating allies from PL? What about the russian (or non russian) macroers?
I want to see the banhammer swing on a "Unholy Monkey-PL-Macroers Rage" action.
Well it might be a bit too early to tell, but the massive amount on trolling the last 59 pages exhausted me a bit. Needed me several afternoons at work to get through. Harder then work though.
Let it deliver. Question: Is monkey guilty? Question: Is (parts of) PL guilty? No question about macroers, we all know.
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I SoStoned
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.04.27 12:47:00 -
[1817]
Okey, hey! Great, they fixed the local spoofing exploit hole.
Now... let's get those macros dealt with! --- Dreamer: My dream, Freddy! MY RULES. Freddy Kruger: *groans* Awwwww, f**k. --- Never give up! |
Ranka Mei
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.04.27 12:51:00 -
[1818]
Originally by: My Postman A "Hotfix" and that is it?
60 Pages of rampage and you hotfix it? What happens to Monkeydude along with his cheating allies from PL? What about the russian (or non russian) macroers?
You know full well CCP won't comment on actions (to be) taken against other players. Should Monkeyboy get banned, we'll find out soon enough when his kill stats drop to zero. -- Gorgeous, delicious, deculture! |
Huhuhuhuhuhuh
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Posted - 2010.04.27 12:53:00 -
[1819]
Originally by: Pr1ncess Alia
i see. so "everyone knows" is obviously not proof however "you know" is undeniable evidence.
For me to make decision. It may be right or wrong but its all mine :) "Everyone" or so called "common knowledge" should be avoided like fire since its often source of misconceptions.
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Grath Telkin
Amarr Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.04.27 12:56:00 -
[1820]
Originally by: Ranka Mei we'll find out soon enough when his kill stats drop to zero.
Don't be silly, he's still got an entire arsenal of hacks at his disposal.
Look at the list of charges brought about by his Russian accusers:
1) No Local Hack (dealt with)
2) Warp to 0 on any ship
3) Teleport anywhere in EVE
4) See all cloaked ships
I'd say, with a weapons cache like that backing him up, he'll be just fine.
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woarus
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Posted - 2010.04.27 12:58:00 -
[1821]
Originally by: CCP Navigator
We would like to thank all of those who submitted bug reports and petitions on this subject.
I have again opened my petition and I wait compensation
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Huhuhuhuhuhuh
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Posted - 2010.04.27 13:00:00 -
[1822]
Originally by: Grath Telkin
Originally by: Ranka Mei we'll find out soon enough when his kill stats drop to zero.
Don't be silly, he's still got an entire arsenal of hacks at his disposal.
Look at the list of charges brought about by his Russian accusers:
1) No Local Hack (dealt with)
2) Warp to 0 on any ship
3) Teleport anywhere in EVE
4) See all cloaked ships
I'd say, with a weapons cache like that backing him up, he'll be just fine.
You see, we are making progress here. Just give it time :)
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Grath Telkin
Amarr Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.04.27 13:01:00 -
[1823]
Originally by: Huhuhuhuhuhuh
Originally by: Grath Telkin
Originally by: Ranka Mei we'll find out soon enough when his kill stats drop to zero.
Don't be silly, he's still got an entire arsenal of hacks at his disposal.
Look at the list of charges brought about by his Russian accusers:
1) No Local Hack (dealt with)
2) Warp to 0 on any ship
3) Teleport anywhere in EVE
4) See all cloaked ships
I'd say, with a weapons cache like that backing him up, he'll be just fine.
You see, we are making progress here. Just give it time :)
Yea, when can we expect to see your work in helping us get rid of botters?
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romek mablung
Caldari OWS Research and Development
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Posted - 2010.04.27 13:01:00 -
[1824]
Edited by: romek mablung on 27/04/2010 13:01:40 Now just monitor Monkeysphere kb.Several scenarioses:he gets lost in yet another WSpace (yet another time without probe launcher).He has suddenly IRL issues (wutever).He announces,that fighting macrobots is pointless,and goes out mining!(Oh noes...23/7....)
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Pr1ncess Alia
Caldari Perkone
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Posted - 2010.04.27 13:03:00 -
[1825]
Originally by: Huhuhuhuhuhuh
Originally by: Pr1ncess Alia
i see. so "everyone knows" is obviously not proof however "you know" is undeniable evidence.
For me to make decision. It may be right or wrong but its all mine :) "Everyone" or so called "common knowledge" should be avoided like fire since its often source of misconceptions.
wow
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Huhuhuhuhuhuh
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Posted - 2010.04.27 13:09:00 -
[1826]
Originally by: Grath Telkin
Yea, when can we expect to see your work in helping us get rid of botters?
It is entirely different task. I tried to write long post explaining the problem, but the short answer is - this is game designer's part.
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romek mablung
Caldari OWS Research and Development
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Posted - 2010.04.27 13:24:00 -
[1827]
Umm...PunkBuster....viable?
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Huhuhuhuhuhuh
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Posted - 2010.04.27 13:26:00 -
[1828]
Originally by: romek mablung Umm...PunkBuster....viable?
Google up Joanna Rutkowska.
PS. At first i thought her surname is a nickname :)
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Gunnanmon
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2010.04.27 13:29:00 -
[1829]
Originally by: Musical Fist Macro ratters rejoice, CCP fixed the problem now 99% of 0.0 can continue to macro rat
At least they removed pretty much the only way to kill them. Go somebody! Signature locked for discussing moderation. Navigator
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Gypsio III
Dirty Filthy Perverts
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Posted - 2010.04.27 13:31:00 -
[1830]
And I thought 0.0 was supposed to be for PVP, not just to be some carebear paradise protected by the instant, infallible intel of local...
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romek mablung
Caldari OWS Research and Development
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Posted - 2010.04.27 13:35:00 -
[1831]
Edited by: romek mablung on 27/04/2010 13:36:19 From all that haxxorz my Mock just melted......(followed the link).Weres my tin hat plus imprenetable safe for my hardwarez?!
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Sidus Isaacs
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.04.27 13:53:00 -
[1832]
Originally by: Gypsio III And I thought 0.0 was supposed to be for PVP, not just to be some carebear paradise protected by the instant, infallible intel of local...
0.0 has always been carebear haven. Ever since I went from low sec to 0.0 everyoen I met was (well 90%) was carebears mining or ratting.
Since they are cearbears, they blob as a tactic :).
A few notable exeptions of course, but all the big allainces are carebears. Even so they got huge numbers and will blob you to death if you go against them, so being carebear does not make them harmless. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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AliusExAlio
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Posted - 2010.04.27 13:53:00 -
[1833]
Originally by: Gypsio III And I thought 0.0 was supposed to be for PVP, not just to be some carebear paradise protected by the instant, infallible intel of local...
It would have been fine if EVERYONE would have had the ability to disappear from local. Not just him. Its the fact that he creates unfair advantages for himself.
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Gunnanmon
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2010.04.27 13:55:00 -
[1834]
Originally by: AliusExAlio
Originally by: Gypsio III And I thought 0.0 was supposed to be for PVP, not just to be some carebear paradise protected by the instant, infallible intel of local...
It would have been fine if EVERYONE would have had the ability to disappear from local. Not just him. Its the fact that he creates unfair advantages for himself.
Allegedly. Signature locked for discussing moderation. Navigator
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Jeneroux
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.04.27 14:09:00 -
[1835]
Ok.. so the "invisible in local" exploit method did exist and is now resolved.
What about the ""teleport anyplace" claim? This was real?
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romek mablung
Caldari OWS Research and Development
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Posted - 2010.04.27 14:23:00 -
[1836]
Who knews.BTW avg spherical monkey in vacuum making KB
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Sply Smug'lor
Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2010.04.27 14:30:00 -
[1837]
60 page thread and CCP wont even say whether anyone was banned, just that a hotfix has been deployed? BS.
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Andrea Griffin
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Posted - 2010.04.27 14:36:00 -
[1838]
Originally by: CCP Navigator A hotfix has been deployed today which has now fixed this issue.
Thank you for your prompt attention to the problem! Much love for you all, if I ever make it over to Iceland I'll buy a round of beers for the dev crew.
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Xtover
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.04.27 15:07:00 -
[1839]
Originally by: Sidus Isaacs
A few notable exeptions of course, but all the big allainces are carebears. Even so they got huge numbers and will blob you to death if you go against them, so being carebear does not make them harmless.
everyone blobs.
I've had it where 5 BS jump on a lone recon, then when the recon hot drops 15 bombers, the BS guys yell "BLOOOOBBBBB"
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Ranka Mei
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.04.27 15:14:00 -
[1840]
Can't someone lock this thread already!? It's over. We all got our say, action was taken. Now it's time to move on. -- Gorgeous, delicious, deculture! |
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SpyGirl
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Posted - 2010.04.27 15:44:00 -
[1841]
Originally by: Ranka Mei Can't someone lock this thread already!? It's over. We all got our say, action was taken. Now it's time to move on.
ibtl.
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Ick Ickagami
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Posted - 2010.04.27 15:47:00 -
[1842]
No.
Not until the other half of the equation, that being the macros, is also dealt with.
How about a "hotfix" for THAT, CCP?
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Ellatan Deruimte
Surreal corp Stain Empire
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Posted - 2010.04.27 16:30:00 -
[1843]
Edited by: Ellatan Deruimte on 27/04/2010 16:31:13 Thanks to everyone, who supported our effort! Special thanks to CCP, who managed to fix the bug so quickly, you guys are awesome.
As far as macrobotters go, if you come across one, then be sure to report in to CCP for investigation. I'm sure CCP will get better at catching them and another Unholy Rage will crash down on them.
As far as The monkeysphere goes - GM actions are not to be discussed, I doubt CCP will ever issue a statement about him. However, we will find out soon enough how good he is at catching ratters and bots without the use of that exploit, only time will tell.
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Igor Epocci
Minmatar Fringe Industries EMS
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Posted - 2010.04.27 16:40:00 -
[1844]
Originally by: Silent Wispa
Originally by: BOEHKOP Edited by: BOEHKOP on 26/04/2010 14:10:03
Originally by: War Kitten
What bothers me is that it took him 2 hours because he just happens to have already done the decoding work in relation to, shall we say, his 'other' projects.
'other' projects? Everyone can do 'other' projects, not only russians! I can't believe that they so smart.
You, as well, can start first 'other' project: Find answers for all questions in Donald E. Knuth TAOCP books. (take note: you can start earn cash! "If you are really a careful reader, you may be able to recoup more than the cost of the books this way.") Then move to W. Richard Stevens books, it will be easy after TAOCP, you will enjoy reading.
After some years of similar and 'other' projects, you can say - "two hours from scratch? why so long?"
I'm sorry, I was being polite, but as thats leading to misunderstanding I'll drop that tack now.
What I mean is, its absolutely impossible for anyone no matter how bright to decypher what means what with the Eve-Online client stream in a mere 2 hours. Infact the majority of the Devs would need more than 2 hours.
The reason it only took huhuhuhuhuhuhuhuh and co. 2 hours is because they had already done it some time ago as they take a very deep interest in how the client works for the production of macro programs. What they've done here is taken the information they've already been using - ie watching the local stream for new clients to automatically move a ship ratting to safety and instead spoofed information to prevent the client appearing in local at all. Then they've gone and stated this must be exactly what the accussed is doing because otherwise their macro bots wouldn't have been failing like they have.
don't bet on it being that difficult. It your job, say maybe corporate network security, has you using low-level network software and you know your trade, then figuring out the contents of an MMO packet could be trivial.
Theoretically, it wouldn't be vastly more difficult than hacking a wireless network. The tools exist, and those versed in their usage commonly perform 'miracles' in short order.
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Dungheap
Caldari Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2010.04.27 16:41:00 -
[1845]
what's left is for the pilots who petitioned ship losses to re open and escalate those petition, until a better explanation from ccp is posted.
the situation of their loss mirrors what ccp aknowledge was possible and is now hotfixed. will they be reimbursed, or will logs continue to show nothing? if they are reimbursed, is that not ccp agreeing that hack was used by one or more players in the ship kills?
we'd all like a bit more information besides 'it's fixed'.
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romek mablung
Caldari OWS Research and Development
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Posted - 2010.04.27 16:53:00 -
[1846]
Logs are fine ...Move on!
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Elyseum
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Posted - 2010.04.27 16:54:00 -
[1847]
Originally by: Ick Ickagami No.
Not until the other half of the equation, that being the macros, is also dealt with.
How about a "hotfix" for THAT, CCP?
start your own thread. it is a legitmate question / gripe but that is not what this thread is about.
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DigitalCommunist
November Corporation
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Posted - 2010.04.27 16:55:00 -
[1848]
Hotfix deployed? PL status:
[X] TOLD [ ] not told
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Gunnanmon
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2010.04.27 17:08:00 -
[1849]
Well, at least that's that sorted. Oh, Huhuhuhuhuhu, can you confirm that it is indeed "fixed" for us, please?
And can you wave your magic wand and tell us if there are any more "bugs" we should know about of this ilk?
Thanks, man. o7 Signature locked for discussing moderation. Navigator
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TitansRus
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Posted - 2010.04.27 17:38:00 -
[1850]
Type +1 if you feel The Monkeysphere and friends should get a nice holiday.
Totally unacceptable.
Keep this thread alive until the right thing is done.
They been doing this for months !!!!!
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Flinx Evenstar
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.04.27 17:47:00 -
[1851]
Originally by: TitansRus Type +1 if you feel The Monkeysphere and friends should get a nice holiday.
Totally unacceptable.
Keep this thread alive until the right thing is done.
They been doing this for months !!!!!
+1
The investigation by CCP showing Monkeys innocence in all this, just goes to prove that he is guilty. Action must be taken. --- Witness epic fleet battles in Dominion
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Cipher Jones
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.04.27 18:10:00 -
[1852]
I saw the mod thread relating to this and its great news they fixed it, now what I want to see is all the people who were sticking up for the cheaters in this thread to quietly uninstall eve and go away.
And I hope they perm banned the mother****ers doing it, but of course they won't release that info.
You people that stuck up for the exploiters really look stupid now and have lost any credibility you had whatsoever. This is clearly a signature. |
Merouk Baas
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.04.27 18:18:00 -
[1853]
The idea to petition for ship reimbursements if you lost a ship to Monkeysphere isn't a bad one. People could get their answers about hax/no hax that way (the GMs either approve the petition or decline because Monkeysphere did not use an exploit). Communication is private, too. |
Xtover
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.04.27 18:23:00 -
[1854]
Originally by: Cipher Jones I saw the mod thread relating to this and its great news they fixed it, now what I want to see is all the people who were sticking up for the cheaters in this thread to quietly uninstall eve and go away.
And I hope they perm banned the mother****ers doing it, but of course they won't release that info.
You people that stuck up for the exploiters really look stupid now and have lost any credibility you had whatsoever.
Someone posted proof of someone other than huhuhuhuh exploiting?
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brakespear
Minmatar Snowman Inc
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Posted - 2010.04.27 18:31:00 -
[1855]
Originally by: DigitalCommunist Hotfix deployed? PL status:
[X] TOLD [ ] not told
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Gavin Nordoff
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Posted - 2010.04.27 18:31:00 -
[1856]
Welcome to radio macro. Coming up next, today's number one request. Butthurt and *****ing.
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Soma Khan
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Posted - 2010.04.27 18:34:00 -
[1857]
Originally by: Xtover
Originally by: Cipher Jones I saw the mod thread relating to this and its great news they fixed it, now what I want to see is all the people who were sticking up for the cheaters in this thread to quietly uninstall eve and go away.
And I hope they perm banned the mother****ers doing it, but of course they won't release that info.
You people that stuck up for the exploiters really look stupid now and have lost any credibility you had whatsoever.
Someone posted proof of someone other than huhuhuhuh exploiting?
u mad?
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Xtover
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.04.27 18:49:00 -
[1858]
Edited by: Xtover on 27/04/2010 18:49:12
Originally by: Soma Khan u mad?
no u
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Soma Khan
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Posted - 2010.04.27 19:01:00 -
[1859]
Originally by: Xtover Edited by: Xtover on 27/04/2010 18:49:12
Originally by: Soma Khan u mad?
no u
onoes i got trolled
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Cipher Jones
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.04.27 19:02:00 -
[1860]
Originally by: Soma Khan
Originally by: Xtover
Originally by: Cipher Jones I saw the mod thread relating to this and its great news they fixed it, now what I want to see is all the people who were sticking up for the cheaters in this thread to quietly uninstall eve and go away.
And I hope they perm banned the mother****ers doing it, but of course they won't release that info.
You people that stuck up for the exploiters really look stupid now and have lost any credibility you had whatsoever.
Someone posted proof of someone other than huhuhuhuh exploiting?
u mad?
No I'm quite happy. Trash got exposed for what they are and an exploit got fixed. True colors were shown and fanbois were shamed. Its a glorious day indeed.
When people say "u mad" like that it reminds me of playing guild wars, and hopping on the losing HoH teams vent and screaming U MAD?????? good times
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Ton Phannon
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Posted - 2010.04.27 19:15:00 -
[1861]
Glad to see they fixed this exploit.
Next step is to ban people for using it. Step after that is to punish people who helped create it, were ok with it's use, and supported it.
Once that is done, start cracking down on the macro miners and ratters out there. FFS how hard is it to just go out and rat? Pretty freaking easy.
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Xtover
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.04.27 19:15:00 -
[1862]
Originally by: Soma Khan
Originally by: Xtover Edited by: Xtover on 27/04/2010 18:49:12
Originally by: Soma Khan u mad?
no u
onoes i got trolled
better luck next time
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Lord's Prophet
Totally Abstract O X I D E
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Posted - 2010.04.27 20:03:00 -
[1863]
Originally by: Soma Khan
Originally by: Xtover Edited by: Xtover on 27/04/2010 18:49:12
Originally by: Soma Khan u mad?
no u
onoes i got trolled
wait, what's a troll?
Originally by: CCP Mitnal If I ever need an alligator at 3am, I now know where to find one!
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Jimer Lins
Gallente Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2010.04.27 20:06:00 -
[1864]
No banhammer? :sadface:
Blog and Podcast - Twitter: DeclareWar
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AkJon Ferguson
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Posted - 2010.04.27 20:10:00 -
[1865]
Originally by: Jimer Lins No banhammer? :sadface:
I'm sure many CCP employees are members of PL. I'm not sure why you'd be surprised. The monkeyspank will get off scot free and future cheaters will be emboldened to think that if they get caught they face no punishment.
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Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2010.04.27 20:21:00 -
[1866]
Originally by: Jimer Lins No banhammer? :sadface:
If monkey was using this exploit then it will be a bit longer until he gets a ban as ccp first had to indentify the exploit then find a way to plug it up. Now that they have 100% proof that an exploit was around and have fixed it they can move on to the investigation and punishment part of the ordeal. Just keep track of his character and when it no longer shows a nice green online for an extended period then you will know he got the ax. A PL threadnaught might also be a tipoff if they decide to take offence at a member getting banned though.
Originally by: CCP Zymurgist Get off the forums and go kill someone!
Originally by: Amarr Supremacist Yeah, it(Jaguar) almost has cruiser level tank and gank!
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Grath Telkin
Amarr Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.04.27 20:34:00 -
[1867]
Originally by: AkJon Ferguson
Originally by: Jimer Lins No banhammer? :sadface:
I'm sure many CCP employees are members of PL. I'm not sure why you'd be surprised. The monkeyspank will get off scot free and future cheaters will be emboldened to think that if they get caught they face no punishment.
Wait, you mean like that time that The Collective got off scott free from the POS exploit due to developer connections?
No, I doubt this will be like that at all.
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Ranka Mei
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.04.27 20:44:00 -
[1868]
Edited by: Ranka Mei on 27/04/2010 20:45:47
Originally by: Zeba If monkey was using this exploit then it will be a bit longer until he gets a ban as ccp first had to indentify the exploit then find a way to plug it up. Now that they have 100% proof that an exploit was around and have fixed it they can move on to the investigation and punishment part of the ordeal. Just keep track of his character and when it no longer shows a nice green online for an extended period then you will know he got the ax. A PL threadnaught might also be a tipoff if they decide to take offence at a member getting banned though.
CCP aren't stupid. It only takes a single glance at his kill stats to suspect something's fishy. However, proving it may be another thing. Logs, prior to the fix, may simply not have logged sufficient info to make a real charge stick. So, the gnashing of my teeth despite, he may actually get away with it this time. Of course, you can bet they'll keep very close tabs on him, so, either way, his cheating days are essentiallu over.
And PL? Should the Monkster get banned, I bet you 10:1 that you won't hear a peep out of them; nary a one! They all gonna be *vewy, vewy* quiet, and thank whichever deity they adhere to that CCP isn't investigating them a little further. -- Gorgeous, delicious, deculture! |
Grath Telkin
Amarr Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.04.27 20:48:00 -
[1869]
Originally by: Ranka Mei
And PL? Should the Monkster get banned, I bet you 10:1 that you won't hear a peep out of them; nary a one! They all gonna be *vewy, vewy* quiet, and thank whichever deity they adhere to that CCP isn't investigating them a little further.
Yes, your wisdom overwhelms us all, because, that has ALWAYS been what PL has done, keep our head down and ...
Oh wait, that's somebody else.
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SetrakDark
DarkCorp Holdings
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Posted - 2010.04.27 21:00:00 -
[1870]
Hurray for fixing an exploit created by botters in a failed attempt to get someone who was killing their bots banned...oh wait, wtf was accomplished here?
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Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2010.04.27 21:11:00 -
[1871]
Originally by: SetrakDark Hurray for fixing an exploit created by botters in a failed attempt to get someone who was killing their bots banned...oh wait, wtf was accomplished here?
Kekeke.. Well at least the botters can't use it now to hide from local and possible retribution. Also the exploit that was fixed still does not explain how a 3 ship gang with battleship in tow managed to travel distances between ganks so quickly that noone can explain it.
Originally by: CCP Zymurgist Get off the forums and go kill someone!
Originally by: Amarr Supremacist Yeah, it(Jaguar) almost has cruiser level tank and gank!
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Gunnanmon
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2010.04.27 21:18:00 -
[1872]
Originally by: SetrakDark Hurray for fixing an exploit created by botters in a failed attempt to get someone who was killing their bots banned...oh wait, wtf was accomplished here?
We were robbed of endless hours of comedy ganking macroers. Signature locked for discussing moderation. Navigator
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Dianeces
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.04.27 21:19:00 -
[1873]
Originally by: Zeba
Originally by: SetrakDark Hurray for fixing an exploit created by botters in a failed attempt to get someone who was killing their bots banned...oh wait, wtf was accomplished here?
Kekeke.. Well at least the botters can't use it now to hide from local and possible retribution. Also the exploit that was fixed still does not explain how a 3 ship gang with battleship in tow managed to travel distances between ganks so quickly that noone can explain it.
If I had to guess, I'd imagine it was probably because the battleship in question was almost as agile as the T2 cruisers.
hth
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Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2010.04.27 21:23:00 -
[1874]
Originally by: Dianeces
Originally by: Zeba
Originally by: SetrakDark Hurray for fixing an exploit created by botters in a failed attempt to get someone who was killing their bots banned...oh wait, wtf was accomplished here?
Kekeke.. Well at least the botters can't use it now to hide from local and possible retribution. Also the exploit that was fixed still does not explain how a 3 ship gang with battleship in tow managed to travel distances between ganks so quickly that noone can explain it.
If I had to guess, I'd imagine it was probably because the battleship in question was almost as agile as the T2 cruisers.
hth
Yes because getting into warp a few seconds earlier somehow makes the gangwarp at 3au second over several systems so much faster.
Originally by: CCP Zymurgist Get off the forums and go kill someone!
Originally by: Amarr Supremacist Yeah, it(Jaguar) almost has cruiser level tank and gank!
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Pr1ncess Alia
Caldari Perkone
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Posted - 2010.04.27 21:37:00 -
[1875]
Originally by: Zeba
Originally by: Dianeces
Originally by: Zeba
Originally by: SetrakDark Hurray for fixing an exploit created by botters in a failed attempt to get someone who was killing their bots banned...oh wait, wtf was accomplished here?
Kekeke.. Well at least the botters can't use it now to hide from local and possible retribution. Also the exploit that was fixed still does not explain how a 3 ship gang with battleship in tow managed to travel distances between ganks so quickly that noone can explain it.
If I had to guess, I'd imagine it was probably because the battleship in question was almost as agile as the T2 cruisers.
hth
Yes because getting into warp a few seconds earlier somehow makes the gangwarp at 3au second over several systems so much faster.
after watching the history channel this afternoon, and then reading these past couple pages...
it's obvious that PL is using some type of advanced technology provided by aliens. possibly divine intervention.
it certainly couldn't be a one of/combination of; idiots imagining very possible things are possible, fail eve system killmails and people that really have no idea what happened because they weren't piloting their ships, their macros were.
really, some of you are now speculating things that just aren't possible without altering server side information. stop making yourselves look so bad.
how terrible will you look if/when monkey goes back to killing people with the same efficiency using valid techniques?
no, please, go back to your conspiracy theories. your making yourselves look more credible by the minute
"A game that is significantly nonlinear is sometimes described as being open-ended or a sandbox, and is characterized by there being no "right way" of playing the game." |
Grath Telkin
Amarr Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.04.27 21:37:00 -
[1876]
Originally by: Zeba Also the exploit that was fixed still does not explain how a 3 ship gang with battleship in tow managed to travel distances between ganks so quickly that noone can explain it.
Hmm, I wonder, what was his battleship doing stuck in that wormhole anyway...
Welp, put that one beside the Bigfoot file, we'll never solve it, whats for lunch?
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Ranka Mei
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.04.27 21:49:00 -
[1877]
Originally by: Pr1ncess Alia how terrible will you look if/when monkey goes back to killing people with the same efficiency using valid techniques?
You know, should that happen, I will apologize to him in public, and bow to his superior PvP skills. I'm not kidding.
But turnabout is fair play. If his stats suddenly revert to that of a regular player, will you come out and admit he cheated?
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Precurseur
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.04.27 22:01:00 -
[1878]
Originally by: Pr1ncess Alia after watching the history channel this afternoon, and then reading these past couple pages...
it's obvious that PL is using some type of advanced technology provided by aliens. possibly divine intervention.
it certainly couldn't be a one of/combination of; idiots imagining very possible things are possible, fail eve system killmails and people that really have no idea what happened because they weren't piloting their ships, their macros were.
really, some of you are now speculating things that just aren't possible without altering server side information. stop making yourselves look so bad.
how terrible will you look if/when monkey goes back to killing people with the same efficiency using valid techniques?
no, please, go back to your conspiracy theories. your making yourselves look more credible by the minute
You're posting this after the hot fixed has been announced? http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1308891
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Pr1ncess Alia
Caldari Perkone
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Posted - 2010.04.27 22:32:00 -
[1879]
Originally by: Precurseur
You're posting this after the hot fixed has been announced? http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1308891
read much?
how does fixing a local exploit created by a .ru player have anything to do with speculating these players can also teleport?
what is it about "how terrible will you look if/when monkey goes back to killing people with the same efficiency" that makes any sense in a world where the fix hasn't been implemented yet?
"A game that is significantly nonlinear is sometimes described as being open-ended or a sandbox, and is characterized by there being no "right way" of playing the game." |
Nureoeis
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Posted - 2010.04.27 22:49:00 -
[1880]
Let's rejoice the macro's are safe!!
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TitansRus
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Posted - 2010.04.27 23:24:00 -
[1881]
The cat on IRC is saying Monkey is about to get the ban hammer
Epic
Can I have your stuff before they ban you
Notice how he don't not post anymore
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Ranka Mei
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.04.27 23:40:00 -
[1882]
Originally by: TitansRus T Notice how he don't not post anymore
So, he's posting again? :)
Didn't you know? In English, the double-negation is a definite no-no! -- Gorgeous, delicious, deculture! |
Mr Epeen
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Posted - 2010.04.27 23:45:00 -
[1883]
Originally by: Ranka Mei
Originally by: TitansRus T Notice how he don't not post anymore
So, he's posting again? :)
Didn't you know? In English, the double-negation is a definite no-no!
Did you know that in English, Ranka Mei is pronounced 'anal retentive'?
Mr Epeen
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Ranka Mei
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.04.27 23:51:00 -
[1884]
Edited by: Ranka Mei on 27/04/2010 23:51:47
Originally by: Mr Epeen Did you know that in English, Ranka Mei is pronounced 'anal retentive'?
No. I didn't. -- Gorgeous, delicious, deculture! |
MatrixSkye Mk2
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.04.27 23:57:00 -
[1885]
Originally by: Ranka Mei
Originally by: Pr1ncess Alia how terrible will you look if/when monkey goes back to killing people with the same efficiency using valid techniques?
You know, should that happen, I will apologize to him in public, and bow to his superior PvP skills. I'm not kidding.
But turnabout is fair play. If his stats suddenly revert to that of a regular player, will you come out and admit he cheated?
Count me in on this.
If Monkeyman can continue to keep his PVP rank/kill ratio after this fix I will publicly apologize and send him 100 mills. But if he can't keep his killing spree, I wonder what excuses will Pandemic Legion and alts (ie Pr1ncess Alia and co) concoct? .
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Romale
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.04.28 00:09:00 -
[1886]
Originally by: AkJon Ferguson
Originally by: Jimer Lins No banhammer? :sadface:
I'm sure many CCP employees are members of PL. I'm not sure why you'd be surprised. The monkeyspank will get off scot free and future cheaters will be emboldened to think that if they get caught they face no punishment.
i heard t20 was a pl plant
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So Cash
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Posted - 2010.04.28 00:17:00 -
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I hope Monkeysphere doesn't get banned... considering they apparently petitioned him constantly and said he wasn't exploiting and was doing it legitimately. They don't really have any solid proof as their logs "don't show anything" in terms of petition responses.
Anyway.... the hotfix still doesn't explain how he was "teleporting" between systems. Although I would like to believe it was a wormhole, I find it somewhat hard to believe it was so conveniently placed with a ratter in the next system. However he could of been lucky enough to do so.
Until they could prove he "teleported" with hard proof other than "killmails" which we all know can be bugged seriously, especially when you've caused a backlog.
I hope CCP take this one on the chin and learn from it rather than taking the wrong course of action (Banning Monkey). If anything they should ban the blatant macro'ers.
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Flinx Evenstar
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.04.28 00:17:00 -
[1888]
Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2
If Monkeyman can continue to keep his PVP rank/kill ratio after this fix I will publicly apologize and send him 100 mills. But if he can't keep his killing spree, I wonder what excuses will Pandemic Legion and alts (ie Pr1ncess Alia and co) concoct? .
Monkey has a worse k/d ratio than me and I'm terrible, if he is exploiting he is doing it wrong.
CCP has made it clear that using an exploit is a bannable offense, the fact he isn't banned should be a clue for you guys.
Log's may not show everything, but that bit where you enter your password and do a server handshake, that is logged. Wouldn't it be odd if a CCP employee looked at the killmail time stamps, and then looked at the arazu logging in, and perhaps came to some conclusion about how this was done.
Good luck with your attempts to reopen petitions, because that's the real motive behind this witch hunt. --- Witness epic fleet battles in Dominion
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Ellatan Deruimte
Surreal corp Stain Empire
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Posted - 2010.04.28 00:37:00 -
[1889]
Originally by: Flinx Evenstar
Monkey has a worse k/d ratio than me and I'm terrible, if he is exploiting he is doing it wrong.
CCP has made it clear that using an exploit is a bannable offense, the fact he isn't banned should be a clue for you guys.
Log's may not show everything, but that bit where you enter your password and do a server handshake, that is logged. Wouldn't it be odd if a CCP employee looked at the killmail time stamps, and then looked at the arazu logging in, and perhaps came to some conclusion about how this was done.
Good luck with your attempts to reopen petitions, because that's the real motive behind this witch hunt.
Nobody has ever said, that Monkey was a good PVPer, he is not, it doesn't take a PVP guru to kill a ratting ship under NPCs. The fact that he is not banned yet means only one thing - CCP's logs show nothing, and they might not have enough evidence on him. His stats from now on will show everyone a much better picture, lets see if he kills 4 ratters in 30 minutes from this point on I'm not holding my breath for it though.
The real motive behind our efforts is to rid EVE Online of exploiters and cheaters and help CCP team to seal the breaches in their game. CCP has expressed their approval and encourages others to submit bug reports, so we consider this a job well done.
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MatrixSkye Mk2
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.04.28 00:46:00 -
[1890]
Originally by: Flinx Evenstar
Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2
If Monkeyman can continue to keep his PVP rank/kill ratio after this fix I will publicly apologize and send him 100 mills. But if he can't keep his killing spree, I wonder what excuses will Pandemic Legion and alts (ie Pr1ncess Alia and co) concoct? .
Monkey has a worse k/d ratio than me and I'm terrible, if he is exploiting he is doing it wrong.
CCP has made it clear that using an exploit is a bannable offense, the fact he isn't banned should be a clue for you guys.
Log's may not show everything, but that bit where you enter your password and do a server handshake, that is logged. Wouldn't it be odd if a CCP employee looked at the killmail time stamps, and then looked at the arazu logging in, and perhaps came to some conclusion about how this was done.
Good luck with your attempts to reopen petitions, because that's the real motive behind this witch hunt.
He has had 20+ ratter kills in a matter of hours, sometimes minutes even, as far as 6 systems away from each other, different corps/alliances, mostly by himself or with (what I suspect are) his alts, "lol internets" and "goose hypocrisy". And he can achive this kind of success days at a time, consistently. If he can still pull this off after the exploit fix then I owe him an apology.
Grief a PVP'er. Run a mission today! |
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Frug
Omega Wing
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Posted - 2010.04.28 01:31:00 -
[1891]
Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2
Originally by: Flinx Evenstar
Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2
If Monkeyman can continue to keep his PVP rank/kill ratio after this fix I will publicly apologize and send him 100 mills. But if he can't keep his killing spree, I wonder what excuses will Pandemic Legion and alts (ie Pr1ncess Alia and co) concoct? .
Monkey has a worse k/d ratio than me and I'm terrible, if he is exploiting he is doing it wrong.
CCP has made it clear that using an exploit is a bannable offense, the fact he isn't banned should be a clue for you guys.
Log's may not show everything, but that bit where you enter your password and do a server handshake, that is logged. Wouldn't it be odd if a CCP employee looked at the killmail time stamps, and then looked at the arazu logging in, and perhaps came to some conclusion about how this was done.
Good luck with your attempts to reopen petitions, because that's the real motive behind this witch hunt.
He has had 20+ ratter kills in a matter of hours, sometimes minutes even, as far as 6 systems away from each other, different corps/alliances, mostly by himself or with (what I suspect are) his alts, "lol internets" and "goose hypocrisy". And he can achive this kind of success days at a time, consistently. If he can still pull this off after the exploit fix then I owe him an apology.
He probably won't, but that doesn't constitute enough proof for CCP to go and ban him. It's technically circumstantial.
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Pheusia
Gallente The Initiative.
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Posted - 2010.04.28 01:42:00 -
[1892]
Given the reputation Russians have for escalating in-game issues into to out of game action, I think Monkeysphere might be inclined to lie low for a while. In fact I think he might be well advised to. Signed, Pheusia |
Nykky Syxx
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Posted - 2010.04.28 01:58:00 -
[1893]
Now that that's done, when can we hotfix out Russian and Chinese macroers?
A much more pressing issue tbh
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Tibalt Avalon
Suck my Titan
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Posted - 2010.04.28 02:19:00 -
[1894]
Monkeysphere Cappin' Titans Since '010
kthx Peace Hardstyle Ambassador |
Senzationescu DDTV
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Posted - 2010.04.28 02:27:00 -
[1895]
OK! this happened today - https://www.pandemic-legion.com/killboard/view_kill.php?id=271289
Also as i said - what about ppl that were affected by this exploit? What about the people that used it?
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Pr1ncess Alia
Caldari Perkone
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Posted - 2010.04.28 02:37:00 -
[1896]
Originally by: Senzationescu DDTV OK! this happened today - https://www.pandemic-legion.com/killboard/view_kill.php?id=271289
Also as i said - what about ppl that were affected by this exploit? What about the people that used it?
exactly. evidence be damned! we need to ban this PL group and ban them now
it is quite obvious, as this fine gentleman pointed out, that while they are allowed to play this game macro players and ****ing idiots in general are not safe from their antics
SAVE EVE! CCP WHY ARE YOU NOT HELPING HERE!@!?!?!?
"A game that is significantly nonlinear is sometimes described as being open-ended or a sandbox, and is characterized by there being no "right way" of playing the game." |
Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2010.04.28 03:01:00 -
[1897]
Originally by: Grath Telkin
Originally by: Zeba Also the exploit that was fixed still does not explain how a 3 ship gang with battleship in tow managed to travel distances between ganks so quickly that noone can explain it.
Hmm, I wonder, what was his battleship doing stuck in that wormhole anyway...
Welp, put that one beside the Bigfoot file, we'll never solve it, whats for lunch?
His bs only became 'stuck' after the ****storm broke on the forums. You are barking up the wrong tree anyways Grath. I don't care if you either had ccp's own gm code to do what you do or it really is using valid game mechanics. Pixels on a screen mean nothing to me though obviously to others its moar real than real life itself.
Originally by: CCP Zymurgist Get off the forums and go kill someone!
Originally by: Amarr Supremacist Yeah, it(Jaguar) almost has cruiser level tank and gank!
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Musical Fist
Gallente Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2010.04.28 04:29:00 -
[1898]
Originally by: Senzationescu DDTV OK! this happened today - https://www.pandemic-legion.com/killboard/view_kill.php?id=271289
Also as i said - what about ppl that were affected by this exploit? What about the people that used it?
Lets see
PL vs Blast PL vs Blast. PL vs Blast.. PL vs Blast...........................
Are you sure PL exploited, thats like saying Blast got fountain by having skill :P
Exploiting or no exploiting, why was a titan online OUTSIDE a PoS bubble in the first place, monkey could jam local but not have titans leave shields, if this titan was anywhere else other than in a PoS shield then well it shows Blast are worse than everyone thought and it is no wonder he died
Oh and one for the road
PL vs Blast :facepalm:
fakeedit: I dont like PL like the next emo batman but all the unnecessary comments / bull**** in this thread only make them sound like the victims This is so not my main
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edrenbaton2
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Posted - 2010.04.28 05:24:00 -
[1899]
About titan:
Im pretty sure it was some kind of exploit. Something like "warp to 0 to cloacked ship, disable hardeners" or something. PL cant play fair - now its fact, thanks monkey.
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Dianeces
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.04.28 05:55:00 -
[1900]
Originally by: edrenbaton2 About titan:
Im pretty sure it was some kind of exploit. Something like "warp to 0 to cloacked ship, disable hardeners" or something. PL cant play fair - now its fact, thanks monkey.
Empty quotin'.
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Nuts Nougat
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.04.28 09:20:00 -
[1901]
Originally by: edrenbaton2 About titan:
Im pretty sure it was some kind of exploit. Something like "warp to 0 to cloacked ship, disable hardeners" or something. PL cant play fair - now its fact, thanks monkey.
Confirming this.
Also snypa. ---
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Beliere
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Posted - 2010.04.28 09:26:00 -
[1902]
Originally by: Dianeces
Originally by: edrenbaton2 About titan:
Im pretty sure it was some kind of exploit. Something like "warp to 0 to cloacked ship, disable hardeners" or something. PL cant play fair - now its fact, thanks monkey.
Empty quotin'.
It's ture.
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Gunnanmon
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2010.04.28 09:48:00 -
[1903]
Originally by: Ellatan Deruimte The real motive behind our efforts is to rid EVE Online of exploiters and cheaters and help CCP team to seal the breaches in their game. CCP has expressed their approval and encourages others to submit bug reports, so we consider this a job well done.
Seems to me that Monkey was doing a better job of ridding Eve of exploiters and cheaters than CCP ever could [albeit by nefarious means].
Now, my family's getting hungry, I better start my macro. Signature locked for discussing moderation. Navigator
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Alex Jameson
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Posted - 2010.04.28 14:29:00 -
[1904]
Breaking news: The "Russian scientists" found this exploit is STILL NOT FIXED on Singularity server. So they just doubt that any hotfix has been deployed
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Razor Jaxx
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.04.28 14:40:00 -
[1905]
We will return to our normally scheduled discussion after this commercial break.
This thread is brought to you by DamnCheaters.com, for all your botting needs, and by CNC Mining, "EVE macros on steroids" for the greedy but lazy miner in you.
We are now going back to the discussion in progress. Thank you.
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Jovialmadness
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Posted - 2010.04.28 14:56:00 -
[1906]
Edited by: Jovialmadness on 28/04/2010 14:57:44 PL, Evoke, cry havoc and the rest of the low end crap alliances usually are a joke and this is yet another confirmation. Shame I'm not an admin or I'd go happy time with the account ban just for being who you ******s are.
Blobbing, individually inept meta gamers that spend entirely too much time being average. Everytime I go after you muppets in solo fights you die horribly.
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Razor Jaxx
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.04.28 15:04:00 -
[1907]
Edited by: Razor Jaxx on 28/04/2010 15:05:25 I think we all agree that this thread wouldn't even exist if local chat couldn't be abused as a source of hostile detection, as there would be no need for special steps to evade local detection.
It took me all of 5 minutes, using Google(tm), to find an NPCing bot whose features are, and I quote :
"One of the most important features is itÆs ability to monitor and understand the local channel. When a hostile enters the system, *********** will automatically warp your ship to a safe spot, get cloaked and wait for local to become safe again. Once local is safe ********* will wait for a preconfigured amount of time and then continue ratting as before."
So now that the local fix is in place, I'm very eager to know what are CCP's plans to deal with this, as it is obviously, to me, an exploit of the local channel.
I am at the GMs/devs service if they need links etc. to the quote above.
Edit : bot name hidden
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Musical Fist
Gallente Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2010.04.28 15:13:00 -
[1908]
Originally by: Razor Jaxx Edited by: Razor Jaxx on 28/04/2010 15:05:25 I think we all agree that this thread wouldn't even exist if local chat couldn't be abused as a source of hostile detection, as there would be no need for special steps to evade local detection.
It took me all of 5 minutes, using Google(tm), to find an NPCing bot whose features are, and I quote :
"One of the most important features is itÆs ability to monitor and understand the local channel. When a hostile enters the system, *********** will automatically warp your ship to a safe spot, get cloaked and wait for local to become safe again. Once local is safe ********* will wait for a preconfigured amount of time and then continue ratting as before."
So now that the local fix is in place, I'm very eager to know what are CCP's plans to deal with this, as it is obviously, to me, an exploit of the local channel.
I am at the GMs/devs service if they need links etc. to the quote above.
Edit : bot name hidden
I think what makes it worse is the fast response from CCP in fixing this local evasion, pretty impressive but the macro drama really needs sorting asap not just ratter but spammers and miners too. This is so not my main
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Spurty
Caldari D00M. RED.OverLord
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Posted - 2010.04.28 15:20:00 -
[1909]
Originally by: Razor Jaxx Edited by: Razor Jaxx on 28/04/2010 15:05:25 I think we all agree that this thread wouldn't even exist if local chat couldn't be abused as a source of hostile detection, as there would be no need for special steps to evade local detection.
Err interesting logic.
*ALL* being you and people that can't think passed the ends of their noses I guess.
This exploit shows that there is a way to 'interact' with the messages passed from the server to clients.
These can be intercepted and 'used' nefariously via a man in the middle attack. Thats all it shows if we just look at what was done. How it was done is far more interesting and shows kinks in the armor.
Local channel is just *ONE* (I admit its hamfisted) way we are used to reading that info. F10 data is shown as delayed, but shows we are allowed to spy on the entire universe.
Whats the next exploit? Real time Node level details of who and where? Is it already out there? Just not in the 'wrong' hands?
TIN FOIL HATS!
And last comment about no local. You are aware that there already are regular 100+ man roams right? You will not be the only 100+ fleet looking for a guy in a belt.
I give no local 3 months before people QQ and rage quit (Most being those asking for it).
I'd support delayed mode local though. Instant is just a bit barking. Oh and you have to be 'decloaked' for updates.
Holy threadnought though.
Good luck CCP.
Originally by: Hurley I WAS NOT QUITTING SoT AND WAS NOT THINKING ABOUT JOINING IT. PL/SoT MADE A MISTAKE AND ARE NOT MAN ENOUGH TO ADMIT IT OR FIX IT.
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Pr1ncess Alia
Caldari Perkone
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Posted - 2010.04.28 15:37:00 -
[1910]
Edited by: Pr1ncess Alia on 28/04/2010 15:39:18
Originally by: Gunnanmon Seems to me that Monkey was doing a better job of ridding Eve of exploiters and cheaters than CCP ever could [albeit by nefarious means].
yes, because you just KNOW this.
everyone KNOWS so much , really, it's ****ing hilarious!
if you all KNEW the truth you would feel like complete asses.
Originally by: Musical Fist I think what makes it worse is the fast response from CCP in fixing this local evasion, pretty impressive but the macro drama really needs sorting asap not just ratter but spammers and miners too.
yes, because that is what we all DO know. the local exploit was concocted, proven and used by macro users that are already intimate with the eve client/server relay of information.
i wonder what else is possible
I have it on decent authority that what you all seem to KNOW is in fact completely wrong and that the person you were trying to lambaste didn't actually use the exploit the .ru's came up with.
now sure, i could be wrong too. i don't have any more evidence than you.
but let's use Occoms razor here for a moment. which is more likely:
1) That a person came up with a complicated version of exploitation that someone else (completely separate entity) also came up with in trying to explain their own (we'll assume) programs being outsmarted.
2) A person figured out how to outsmart a scripted program. The effected party in being pressured by customer's effected by this person had to explain how it was possible and instead of thinking outside the box of his programs, used the very exploitative programing knowledge to explain it.
2 people coming up with the exact same method of tackling an objective completely separate of each other is rare enough. the fact the 2nd party came up with their SO FAST would almost seem to be a hamfisted explanation using what limited knowledge they really had (ie: "our macros don't work now")
I know, it's a huge mental stretch for the majority of you knee jerkers....
but if you consider the likelihood, (and hopefully monkey gets around to killing people again for lols instead of serious internet business atm to show it is still possible to outsmart these macros) you'll see nothing more than a bunch of macro users crying their that someone outsmarted their programs
and then you can relish in the irony of it all like me and press ccp (as many of you have been) to finally fix the REAL exploit here that has existed all this time. MACRO USERS
no further questions your honor
"A game that is significantly nonlinear is sometimes described as being open-ended or a sandbox, and is characterized by there being no "right way" of playing the game." |
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Kitimortoa
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Posted - 2010.04.28 15:39:00 -
[1911]
Anyone want a list of a few people known to run bots to hunt down, EVE mail me and I'll send you their names and provide screenshots as proof.
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Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2010.04.28 15:40:00 -
[1912]
Heh, some of you guys have a bright future as armchair defence attourneys.
Originally by: CCP Zymurgist Get off the forums and go kill someone!
Originally by: Amarr Supremacist Yeah, it(Jaguar) almost has cruiser level tank and gank!
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Pr1ncess Alia
Caldari Perkone
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Posted - 2010.04.28 16:21:00 -
[1913]
Originally by: Zeba Heh, some of you guys have a bright future as armchair defence attourneys.
ahthankyouverymuch
yeah, it's so crazy and it actually makes sense in fact... it might actually be *shock* the truth!
"A game that is significantly nonlinear is sometimes described as being open-ended or a sandbox, and is characterized by there being no "right way" of playing the game." |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar Vahrokh Consulting
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Posted - 2010.04.28 16:29:00 -
[1914]
Quote: in fact... it might actually be *shock* the truth!
In a time of universal deceit ù telling the truth is a revolutionary act.
George Orwell - Auditing & consulting
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romek mablung
Caldari OWS Research and Development
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Posted - 2010.04.28 16:53:00 -
[1915]
btw..i yet have to meet bot-exploit free MMORPG.Dosnt compute....bzzzzzzzz!
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Gunnanmon
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2010.04.28 16:54:00 -
[1916]
Has Huhuhuhuhuhuh confirmed that the fix fixed anything yet? Signature locked for discussing moderation. Navigator
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Jojo Jackson
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Posted - 2010.04.28 18:19:00 -
[1917]
Originally by: Razor Jaxx Edited by: Razor Jaxx on 28/04/2010 15:05:25
So now that the local fix is in place, I'm very eager to know what are CCP's plans to deal with this, as it is obviously, to me, an exploit of the local channel.
I am at the GMs/devs service if they need links etc. to the quote above.
Edit : bot name hidden
MUHAHAHA
If an agressive PvP player uses "game given futures to win" ... it is all fine and we are flamed with "learn to us the client". If an PvE player uses the local chat as "game given future to survive" ... it is an exploid.
Man, PvP guys allways make me lough with there singel sided logic
And no, I do not suport bots! But I do suport local chat to evoid stupid PvP wannabe Rambos!
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Alex Jameson
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Posted - 2010.04.28 18:22:00 -
[1918]
Originally by: Gunnanmon Has Huhuhuhuhuhuh confirmed that the fix fixed anything yet?
Breaking news: The "Russian scientists" found this exploit is STILL NOT FIXED on Singularity server. So they just doubt that any hotfix has been deployed
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Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2010.04.28 18:29:00 -
[1919]
Originally by: Alex Jameson
Originally by: Gunnanmon Has Huhuhuhuhuhuh confirmed that the fix fixed anything yet?
Breaking news: The "Russian scientists" found this exploit is STILL NOT FIXED on Singularity server. So they just doubt that any hotfix has been deployed
CCP might not have hotfixed the test server as its in the middle of the PI testing. They should try to replicate the exploit on tq and that will determine it its plugged or not. Just make sure to inform a gm so no misunderstandings occur.
Originally by: CCP Zymurgist Get off the forums and go kill someone!
Originally by: Amarr Supremacist Yeah, it(Jaguar) almost has cruiser level tank and gank!
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Rawr Cristina
Caldari Omerta Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.04.28 18:55:00 -
[1920]
Originally by: Zeba They should try to exploit on tq so no misunderstandings occur.
bad zeba!
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Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2010.04.28 18:58:00 -
[1921]
Originally by: Rawr Cristina
Originally by: Zeba They should try to exploit on tq so no misunderstandings occur.
bad zeba!
What, like ccp will ban them for using two noobships to confirm that the hotfix does indeed work? C'mon now..
Originally by: CCP Zymurgist Get off the forums and go kill someone!
Originally by: Amarr Supremacist Yeah, it(Jaguar) almost has cruiser level tank and gank!
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Misanth
Reaper Industries Cry Havoc.
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Posted - 2010.04.28 19:25:00 -
[1922]
Awsome threadnought.. this and the mom thread, I guess I should go back to reading GD.
/me fires up old popcorn machine - I'd tell you why but then I'll have to kill you. And to kill you I'd have to log in. And to log in I'd have to stop browsing these forums. Both you and me knows that'll never happen. |
Wyn Pharoh
Gallente Deep Stage THE-FEDERATION
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Posted - 2010.04.28 21:43:00 -
[1923]
Originally by: Ellatan Deruimte
The real motive behind our efforts is to rid EVE Online of exploiters and cheaters and help CCP team to seal the breaches in their game. CCP has expressed their approval and encourages others to submit bug reports, so we consider this a job well done.
This being said, have you now moved on to the truly massive problem of macrbots themselves? Have you begun policing your own? Or is this simply the oft regurgitated hurf-blurf seen throughout this thread that makes the entire .ru community look like such hypocrites?
You may feel all warm and fuzzy for bringing this horribad 'haxpolit' to light but so far all you have honestly accomplished is making Eve a safer place to macro for dishonest ingame or out of game profit. Well, I guess you also made Eve a slightly safer place for horrble pilots to rat in Marauders as well, congratulations there for white knighting stupidity in null sec.
If the haxing and 'monkey business' can actually be pinned on provable EULA violations, then you may have made one small contribution to the entire Eve community. Until you actually turn all this furious attention the the greater problem however, no one will believe for one second that you have any real interest in ridding EvE Online of more than just the 'exploiters and cheaters' that happened to have inconvenienced you, a friend, some random 'brosef' and most importantly, all those furious macrolords. Do yourself and the entire community that you are a representative member of a favor, get real about macrobots or simply stfu.
I see your logical fallacies and raise your syntactic analysis engine all in. Smash the State...and Have A Nice Day!!! |
Ellatan Deruimte
Surreal corp Stain Empire
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Posted - 2010.04.28 21:56:00 -
[1924]
Originally by: Wyn Pharoh
This being said, have you now moved on to the truly massive problem of macrbots themselves? Have you begun policing your own? Or is this simply the oft regurgitated hurf-blurf seen throughout this thread that makes the entire .ru community look like such hypocrites?
You may feel all warm and fuzzy for bringing this horribad 'haxpolit' to light but so far all you have honestly accomplished is making Eve a safer place to macro for dishonest ingame or out of game profit. Well, I guess you also made Eve a slightly safer place for horrble pilots to rat in Marauders as well, congratulations there for white knighting stupidity in null sec.
If the haxing and 'monkey business' can actually be pinned on provable EULA violations, then you may have made one small contribution to the entire Eve community. Until you actually turn all this furious attention the the greater problem however, no one will believe for one second that you have any real interest in ridding EvE Online of more than just the 'exploiters and cheaters' that happened to have inconvenienced you, a friend, some random 'brosef' and most importantly, all those furious macrolords. Do yourself and the entire community that you are a representative member of a favor, get real about macrobots or simply stfu.
Direct all of your enthusiasm toward yourself. Raise an issue of macrobotting, find out how they do it and help CCP to fix it in any way you can. Come up with a way to prove to the community who is botting and who is not, just like we did with the videos. I will be sure to support such thread, and so would many more people from the Russian Eve community. I don't macrobot, and neither does my alliance. No local exploit mechanics have nothing to do with macrobotting, and I'm just a guy with fraps. If you come up with something interesting I'll be sure to fraps it, put it on Youtube and promote it.
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MatrixSkye Mk2
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.04.28 22:17:00 -
[1925]
Edited by: MatrixSkye Mk2 on 28/04/2010 22:21:26
Originally by: Wyn Pharoh Well, I guess you also made Eve a slightly safer place for horrble pilots to rat in Marauders as well, congratulations there for white knighting stupidity in null sec.
So horrible in fact, you need an exploit to kill them.
Because using exploits on stupid players should be OK, amirite?
Originally by: Wyn Pharoh Do yourself and the entire community that you are a representative member of a favor, get real about macrobots or simply stfu.
Take your own advice and U STFU.
U have a nice day, son :D!
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FatBloke
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Posted - 2010.04.28 22:35:00 -
[1926]
Is anyone really stupid enough to believe that an alliance which had such an ability at its disposal, might not, on occasion use it to (for example) set up hotdrops on hostile Capitals/Supercapitals, or to gather intel on enemines in systems which appear on the face of local chat to be wholly "blue".
Shouting about only Macroers and career ratters being the only people affected could be interpreted as a weak weak argument from those with something to hide.
If teh Monkeh did indeed manipulate his client or filter client/server chatter to make himself invisible to local, then it's a potentially gamebreaking hack, and I for one would say good riddance to bad rubbish.
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Jobby
Minmatar Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2010.04.28 22:37:00 -
[1927]
Originally by: Ellatan Deruimte
Originally by: Wyn Pharoh
This being said, have you now moved on to the truly massive problem of macrbots themselves? Have you begun policing your own? Or is this simply the oft regurgitated hurf-blurf seen throughout this thread that makes the entire .ru community look like such hypocrites?
You may feel all warm and fuzzy for bringing this horribad 'haxpolit' to light but so far all you have honestly accomplished is making Eve a safer place to macro for dishonest ingame or out of game profit. Well, I guess you also made Eve a slightly safer place for horrble pilots to rat in Marauders as well, congratulations there for white knighting stupidity in null sec.
If the haxing and 'monkey business' can actually be pinned on provable EULA violations, then you may have made one small contribution to the entire Eve community. Until you actually turn all this furious attention the the greater problem however, no one will believe for one second that you have any real interest in ridding EvE Online of more than just the 'exploiters and cheaters' that happened to have inconvenienced you, a friend, some random 'brosef' and most importantly, all those furious macrolords. Do yourself and the entire community that you are a representative member of a favor, get real about macrobots or simply stfu.
Direct all of your enthusiasm toward yourself. Raise an issue of macrobotting, find out how they do it and help CCP to fix it in any way you can. Come up with a way to prove to the community who is botting and who is not, just like we did with the videos. I will be sure to support such thread, and so would many more people from the Russian Eve community. I don't macrobot, and neither does my alliance. No local exploit mechanics have nothing to do with macrobotting, and I'm just a guy with fraps. If you come up with something interesting I'll be sure to fraps it, put it on Youtube and promote it.
Has this conspiracy theory surfaced here yet..
That you and Huhuhuhu had a vested interest in ridding the game of no-local (ab)users to such an extent that you and/or Huhuhu figured out how it was probably being done, then shared this info with CCP/the community, prompting shock/horror/a fix? Thereby allowing you (and/or your associates) to get back to whatever it was that was being so rudely interupted?
Just sayin'
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Wyn Pharoh
Gallente Deep Stage THE-FEDERATION
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Posted - 2010.04.28 22:40:00 -
[1928]
Originally by: Ellatan Deruimte
Originally by: Wyn Pharoh
This being said, have you now moved on to the truly massive problem of macrbots themselves? Have you begun policing your own? Or is this simply the oft regurgitated hurf-blurf seen throughout this thread that makes the entire .ru community look like such hypocrites?
You may feel all warm and fuzzy for bringing this horribad 'haxpolit' to light but so far all you have honestly accomplished is making Eve a safer place to macro for dishonest ingame or out of game profit. Well, I guess you also made Eve a slightly safer place for horrble pilots to rat in Marauders as well, congratulations there for white knighting stupidity in null sec.
If the haxing and 'monkey business' can actually be pinned on provable EULA violations, then you may have made one small contribution to the entire Eve community. Until you actually turn all this furious attention the the greater problem however, no one will believe for one second that you have any real interest in ridding EvE Online of more than just the 'exploiters and cheaters' that happened to have inconvenienced you, a friend, some random 'brosef' and most importantly, all those furious macrolords. Do yourself and the entire community that you are a representative member of a favor, get real about macrobots or simply stfu.
Direct all of your enthusiasm toward yourself. Raise an issue of macrobotting, find out how they do it and help CCP to fix it in any way you can. Come up with a way to prove to the community who is botting and who is not, just like we did with the videos. I will be sure to support such thread, and so would many more people from the Russian Eve community. I don't macrobot, and neither does my alliance. No local exploit mechanics have nothing to do with macrobotting, and I'm just a guy with fraps. If you come up with something interesting I'll be sure to fraps it, put it on Youtube and promote it.
You sir, may very well be a totally honorable player and an asset to Stain Empire. +1 rep for solid debate skill. Now let me point out the meat of what really is bothersome here.
I don't think on this forum or too many other public forums written in my native language am I going to find much open discussion and tolerance of macro users and their methods. Can you say the same? Apparently this is acceptable at eve-ru.com, and from what has been said in this thread, there are other commonly accepted public discussions of the same cheats and exploits elsewhere within the .ru community. I sadly do not read russian, but plenty of others handy with translators have given a fairly clear picture that this is going on with little native opposition.
Did you actually fraps Monkeysphere? No. Have you caught anyone else using any similar exploit on TQ? No. Are the guys in PL rolling on the floor laughing at all this emo-rage? You bet they are, and you can also bet that they couldn't have bought either better publicity for their alliance or to an issue that many of us in Eve despise.
Perhaps this discussion would be inappropriate in this thread, if it wasn't for the glaringly obvious support of the .ru botting community throughout this threadnaught to see Monkeysphere burned alive for interfering with their RMT bottom line. I guess as soon as I learn russian and get alts in leadership positions throughout the xxxlegion of macrosxxx sov holding alliances I'll be in a better position to do something constructive. Of course, you could do all that yourself without spending years learning a foreign language, but that would be too easy... I see your logical fallacies and raise your syntactic analysis engine all in. Smash the State...and Have A Nice Day!!! |
Ellatan Deruimte
Surreal corp Stain Empire
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Posted - 2010.04.28 23:03:00 -
[1929]
Originally by: Wyn Pharoh
You sir, may very well be a totally honorable player and an asset to Stain Empire. +1 rep for solid debate skill. Now let me point out the meat of what really is bothersome here.
I don't think on this forum or too many other public forums written in my native language am I going to find much open discussion and tolerance of macro users and their methods. Can you say the same? Apparently this is acceptable at eve-ru.com, and from what has been said in this thread, there are other commonly accepted public discussions of the same cheats and exploits elsewhere within the .ru community. I sadly do not read russian, but plenty of others handy with translators have given a fairly clear picture that this is going on with little native opposition.
Did you actually fraps Monkeysphere? No. Have you caught anyone else using any similar exploit on TQ? No. Are the guys in PL rolling on the floor laughing at all this emo-rage? You bet they are, and you can also bet that they couldn't have bought either better publicity for their alliance or to an issue that many of us in Eve despise.
Perhaps this discussion would be inappropriate in this thread, if it wasn't for the glaringly obvious support of the .ru botting community throughout this threadnaught to see Monkeysphere burned alive for interfering with their RMT bottom line. I guess as soon as I learn russian and get alts in leadership positions throughout the xxxlegion of macrosxxx sov holding alliances I'll be in a better position to do something constructive. Of course, you could do all that yourself without spending years learning a foreign language, but that would be too easy...
If you can't read or understand Russian, how can you assume that the eve-ru forums supports macrobotting? Moderators there delete all the links to the possible exploit\botting websites, RMT deals and etc. They are in fact very strict with that, so the only thing you demonstrate here is your incompetence and prejudice.
It's not a player's job to police the actions of other players. That is CCP's job, so there is no point in frapsing Monkeysphere, it wouldn't convince CCP. All I can note though is that he didn't get a single kill for the last week, I don't expect him to be able to replicate his "accomplishments." PL's forum behavior exposed them as supporters of exploiters, so I'd like to thank them for their effort in promoting this thread.
If you could name members of the Russian botting community in this thread, who would like to see some player burned alive, I would really appreciate it.
Yes, since I can speak Russian, xXDEATHXx will surely put me in a leadership position in his alliance tomorrow. Are you serious? Let me not hold my breath for you getting alts in their leadership when you learn to speak Russian. Besides, what would you hypothetically do in that leadership position? Legion of Death rents their systems out to corporations, as long as they get payed they don't care, they don't police every single individual corp of Shadow of Death. Are you going to investigate every single player out of 3600 renters they have?
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Wyn Pharoh
Gallente Deep Stage THE-FEDERATION
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Posted - 2010.04.29 00:20:00 -
[1930]
Originally by: Ellatan Deruimte
If you can't read or understand Russian, how can you assume that the eve-ru forums supports macrobotting? Moderators there delete all the links to the possible exploit\botting websites, RMT deals and etc. They are in fact very strict with that, so the only thing you demonstrate here is your incompetence and prejudice.
It's not a player's job to police the actions of other players. That is CCP's job, so there is no point in frapsing Monkeysphere, it wouldn't convince CCP. All I can note though is that he didn't get a single kill for the last week, I don't expect him to be able to replicate his "accomplishments." PL's forum behavior exposed them as supporters of exploiters, so I'd like to thank them for their effort in promoting this thread.
If you could name members of the Russian botting community in this thread, who would like to see some player burned alive, I would really appreciate it.
Yes, since I can speak Russian, xXDEATHXx will surely put me in a leadership position in his alliance tomorrow. Are you serious? Let me not hold my breath for you getting alts in their leadership when you learn to speak Russian. Besides, what would you hypothetically do in that leadership position? Legion of Death rents their systems out to corporations, as long as they get payed they don't care, they don't police every single individual corp of Shadow of Death. Are you going to investigate every single player out of 3600 renters they have?
Enthusiastically, I am in fact not prejudiced one bit. Please note that I'm doing my best not to say more than that there may be a community issue. Also, I assume nothing. I am merely reflecting on some of the things that have shown up in this thread, posts that I'm sure you have read yourself here as well as elsewhere. :effort: Not going to repost that stuff, as you can find it yourself buried somewhere amongst 60+ pages of hurf-blurf.
This:
"Legion of Death rents their systems out to corporations, as long as they get payed they don't care..."
Sums it up rather nicely, thank you for the inside perspective and laying it out for all to see exactly what I'm talking about. My own hyperbole has obfuscated my message, since you'd not need to infiltrate as far as any particular leadership position to expose the obvious wrong doers. Since you mentioned it, I actually do expect that the alliances that rent space investigate who they are renting to, since they are otherwise just as much a part of the problem as the flunkies that run the bots. It's called being willfully ignorant, and if any effort was made on their part to do anything at all, we wouldn't be having this debate, would we?
This:
ôIt's not a player's job to police the actions of other players. That is CCP's job...ö
Then what are you doing here? Seriously? Are you and huhuhuhu sanctioned bughunters? You've taken it upon yourself to do CCP's job to address one exploit, while turning a blind eye to the greater problem. -1 rep for obvious logical fallacy. In fact, it should be the responsibility of the players to keep the sandbox clean, just as much is it is that of the Devs. I'm sure you actually understand that yourself, otherwise, you wouldn't have had anything to do with this thread in the first place, right?
I see your logical fallacies and raise your syntactic analysis engine all in. Smash the State...and Have A Nice Day!!! |
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Wyn Pharoh
Gallente Deep Stage THE-FEDERATION
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Posted - 2010.04.29 00:35:00 -
[1931]
Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2 Edited by: MatrixSkye Mk2 on 28/04/2010 22:35:09
Originally by: Wyn Pharoh Well, I guess you also made Eve a slightly safer place for horrble pilots to rat in Marauders as well, congratulations there for white knighting stupidity in null sec.
So horrible in fact, you need an exploit to kill them.
Because using exploits on stupid players should be OK, amirite?
Originally by: Wyn Pharoh Do yourself and the entire community that you are a representative member of a favor, get real about macrobots or simply stfu.
You should consider taking your own adivce. Seriously.
Not once have I said exploits are mkay. I will lol with the rest of Eve if someone, especially someone in PL, gets banhammered over this. It couldn't happen to a nicer bunch of guys in fact. Ofc they don't pretend they're nice, and while I wouldn't want to rent from them (if they still had space, lol) I can say that in all my roams through Fountain when they did hold sov, macrobots were one thing that I never came across. Just sayin...
In the meantime, continue to do nothing and continue to troll, it's really working as intended.
I see your logical fallacies and raise your syntactic analysis engine all in. Smash the State...and Have A Nice Day!!! |
Nuts Nougat
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.04.29 00:49:00 -
[1932]
As the poster before me said, it's pretty easy to see which users/corps are macro ratting (usually people notice someone that is in local 23/7, and start to talk about it) and you can kick offending corps. IIRC PL had a very strict policy about this (corps had to kick macros, otherwise they'd get removed from renter list).
Therefore, the whole "as long as they pay, the sov holder doesn't care" thing doesn't really hold water. Also, "removing links to macros" and other such silly measures don't really work, when people can still speak openly about them without getting warned/banned.
Frankly, I couldn't care less about macros (apart from the fact that it's impossible for me to catch them, since I'm a peon and can't access the sphere), but they ARE exploiting. Why aren't the Russians hunting them down. Use some of that zeal you've shown when hunting down this no-local exploit and hunt down some macros too. Or, at least, kick them from your renter corps. Maybe, just maybe, then people in this thread will take your arguments a bit more seriously.
Until then, I think you should be happy huhuhuhuh and your other friends didn't get banned for tampering with client (the eula doesn't say anything about tampering sisi client being ok..)
Also, another snypa. ---
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Ranka Mei
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.04.29 01:27:00 -
[1933]
Originally by: Wyn Pharoh
Originally by: Ellatan Deruimte
ôIt's not a player's job to police the actions of other players. That is CCP's job...ö
Then what are you doing here? Seriously? Are you and huhuhuhu sanctioned bughunters? You've taken it upon yourself to do CCP's job to address one exploit, while turning a blind eye to the greater problem. -1
No, no, no! What Ellatan, and others, have been doing, is stick to the topic! Remember? The part where Monkeyman was cheating? All the rest, the macro-botting and assorted Russian conspiracy theories, that was just massive damage control on the part of the detractors, in order to shift attention away from the Monkster, and to obfuscate matters to the max. Their role was, to a degree, even fun (to read, at least); people like you, however, falling for the distractions hook, line, and sinker, that's just sad.
Originally by: Pheusia Given the reputation Russians have for escalating in-game issues into to out of game action, I think Monkeysphere might be inclined to lie low for a while. In fact I think he might be well advised to.
Buahaaha!! :) I was just waiting to see what grandiose excuse all y'all would come up with to rationalize away his inevitable impotence after the 'snip'. I expected the predicted excuses, like having lost interest in PvP overnight, having chosen a new career. or suddenly wanting to spend more time with his family, you name it. But yours is frakkin' hi-larious! So, now his real life is in jeopardy? What? The Russian mob is after him now? What was it that they used again? Polonium, right? Oh wait, that was the KGB! Oh well, I'm sure they're after him too! [/Buahaaha] -- Gorgeous, delicious, deculture! |
Flinx Evenstar
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.04.29 01:36:00 -
[1934]
Originally by: Jovialmadness
Blobbing, individually inept meta gamers that spend entirely too much time being average. Everytime I go after you muppets in solo fights you die horribly.
I'm just emo'ing right now cause I want to. Please accept my apologies.
I would like to honourably spaceship pistol dual with you, to save my good friend Monkeys honour. I care deeply about what forum alts think about me and my alliance.
Select your weapon sir, we shall fight at dawn. --- Witness epic fleet battles in Dominion
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MatrixSkye Mk2
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.04.29 01:56:00 -
[1935]
Originally by: Wyn Pharoh Not once have I said exploits are mkay. I will lol with the rest of Eve if someone, especially someone in PL, gets banhammered over this. It couldn't happen to a nicer bunch of guys in fact. Ofc they don't pretend they're nice, and while I wouldn't want to rent from them (if they still had space, lol) I can say that in all my roams through Fountain when they did hold sov, macrobots were one thing that I never came across. Just sayin...
In the meantime, continue to do nothing and continue to troll, it's really working as intended.
Right . What did you mean by:
Originally by: Wyn Pharoh Well, I guess you also made Eve a slightly safer place for horrble pilots to rat in Marauders as well, congratulations there for white knighting stupidity in null sec.
You can say what you will. But that statement above pretty much sums up your stance on the issue of PL using exploits.
Translated: All that was accomlished by plugging this exploit is that null sec was made safer to stupid ratters. As if using exploits on stupid ratters is a good thing.
You come here flashing the card of all high and mighty when the very least you could do is claim your true colors, as they're showing anyway. But meh. Keep pretending I guess.
Grief a PVP'er. Run a mission today! |
Flinx Evenstar
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.04.29 02:01:00 -
[1936]
Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2 You can say what you will. But that statement above pretty much sums up your stance on the issue of PL using exploits.
Just like to point out that no one in PL has been banned for using exploits. Keep up the raging Matrix, we know once you have a bone to bite on you don't quit until you get trolled into a biomass.
You sure showed those suicide gankers, and those ninja looters.
Countdown for MatrixSkye Mk3 in... --- Witness epic fleet battles in Dominion
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Ellatan Deruimte
Surreal corp Stain Empire
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Posted - 2010.04.29 02:52:00 -
[1937]
Monkey was exploiting though, at this time that is kind of obvious. Nobody from PL could explain who he got those kills or replicate it. He didn't have kills in 0.0 for the last week. I hope he stays conveniently stuck in a wormhole for the next year.
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FireIceHulk
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Posted - 2010.04.29 04:39:00 -
[1938]
Anyone can make any cheat/hack they wish in the computer age. Monkey has been using this trick for 3 years, before the LOCAL EXPLOIT was allowed in the coding. Russians tried all this once before, but it failed. But now after 3 years they managed to find new faulty coding and now they blame monkeysphere for it. It is all on the russian internal forums used as propaganda, if you dont believe get into solar dragons and see for yourself. Their goal was basically to make a local hack by all means necessary and blame it on monkey. Of course ccp knows the real problem behind this, which is why monkey is not banned.
This is why monkey is not banned, he uses another method. However Russians are prolific macros/hackers/exploiters so it did not take long for them to upload a cheat from their databank. A databank which houses a vast array of exploits to macros.
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Huhuhuhuhuhuh
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Posted - 2010.04.29 04:45:00 -
[1939]
Originally by: FireIceHulk Troll skipped.
Attack is man-in-the-middle. No local was present since game inception. Yes i have retail client too. bye troll.
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Spurty
Caldari D00M. RED.OverLord
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Posted - 2010.04.29 05:41:00 -
[1940]
he didn't appear in local so a hotfix for local was deployed "BECAUSE OF LOCAL".
Thanks Local!
Originally by: Hurley I WAS NOT QUITTING SoT AND WAS NOT THINKING ABOUT JOINING IT. PL/SoT MADE A MISTAKE AND ARE NOT MAN ENOUGH TO ADMIT IT OR FIX IT.
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Wyn Pharoh
Gallente Deep Stage THE-FEDERATION
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Posted - 2010.04.29 06:40:00 -
[1941]
Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2
Originally by: Wyn Pharoh Right . What did you mean by:
Originally by: Wyn Pharoh Well, I guess you also made Eve a slightly safer place for horrble pilots to rat in Marauders as well, congratulations there for white knighting stupidity in null sec.
You can say what you will. But that statement above pretty much sums up your stance on the issue of PL using exploits.
Translated: All that was accomlished by plugging this exploit is that null sec was made safer to stupid ratters. As if using exploits on stupid ratters is a good thing.
You come here flashing the card of all high and mighty when the very least you could do is claim your true colors, as they're showing anyway. But meh. Keep pretending I guess.
What I thought was that my language was fairly plain. Rather than expending a tremendous amount of effort and consuming pages of forum text on dealing with the pandemic of macrobots, you have poured all this energy into a jihad against one player in Pandemic Legion with next to no consideration for why others have been so dismissive of your claims to begin with. Do you not see this hypocrisy yourself? How many times can one say 'Don't look at the macroing botters behind the curtain' anyways?
I'm not sure what colors it is that I am supposed to be showing, but would it take all that very much for you to clearly show your own? How about a simple 'yes, there is much we have to do within our own community to change a culture that has grown blindly accepting to an obvious problem that effects all other players in Eve.' Follow it up with an internal commitment and zeal such as you have shown so far, and something really of value may end up happening. We are all still waiting for bans and logical consequences to EULA breaking actions. At heart, I am disappointed that the .ru community can get itself all up in arms over the actions of one while ignoring the abuses of the many. How about flashing your own all high and mighty card over that idea for a bit instead of all this meaningless posturing. It would be refreshing to say the least.
By the way, no one deserves to die to an exploit. I'm sure that some of these ratters will die again and let us all sit back and await the 'sturm und drang' about it must have been haxors that laid waste their pretty marauders. I see your logical fallacies and raise your syntactic analysis engine all in. Smash the State...and Have A Nice Day!!! |
Tibalt Avalon
Suck my Titan
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Posted - 2010.04.29 06:44:00 -
[1942]
Originally by: Spurty he didn't appear in local so a hotfix for local was deployed "BECAUSE OF LOCAL".
Thanks Local!
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Wyn Pharoh
Gallente Deep Stage THE-FEDERATION
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Posted - 2010.04.29 07:00:00 -
[1943]
Originally by: Ranka Mei
Originally by: Wyn Pharoh
Originally by: Ellatan Deruimte
ôIt's not a player's job to police the actions of other players. That is CCP's job...ö
Then what are you doing here? Seriously? Are you and huhuhuhu sanctioned bughunters? You've taken it upon yourself to do CCP's job to address one exploit, while turning a blind eye to the greater problem. -1
No, no, no! What Ellatan, and others, have been doing, is stick to the topic! Remember? The part where Monkeyman was cheating? All the rest, the macro-botting and assorted Russian conspiracy theories, that was just massive damage control on the part of the detractors, in order to shift attention away from the Monkster, and to obfuscate matters to the max. Their role was, to a degree, even fun (to read, at least); people like you, however, falling for the distractions hook, line, and sinker, that's just sad.
Please. It is Pandemic Legion we are talking about, at least in part here right? If it possible for anyone to be guilty of anything, I will presume up front that whatever it is, they may very well in fact be guilty. It's just how they roll, and they don't really care what you or I think about it in the meantime. So while we await the judges ruling here, i.e. CCP wielding a banhammer with righteous fury, how about we just think about discussing what brought us all here in the first place.
Sorry the PL damage control and distractions hit so very close to home. I'm sure that if all this macro biz was just another stupid PL troll, it would never have held any traction what so ever. Oddly enough, something here still stinks...
Perhaps it has something to do with all those macros still running and how amazingly capable people seem to be about dealing with it within your community, when apparently you have the will and ability to fix issues that CCP itself was not even aware existed? Meh, that's CCP's job right, it's not up to individual players or player alliances to actually police their own, right. Except of course when it seems to siut your fancy. More meh. Awaiting further trolls, as it's obvious we aren't having anything close to a meaningful discourse here. I see your logical fallacies and raise your syntactic analysis engine all in. Smash the State...and Have A Nice Day!!! |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar Vahrokh Consulting
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Posted - 2010.04.29 07:00:00 -
[1944]
Quote:
I'm not sure what colors it is that I am supposed to be showing, but would it take all that very much for you to clearly show your own? How about a simple 'yes, there is much we have to do within our own community to change a culture that has grown blindly accepting to an obvious problem that effects all other players in Eve.'
Nothing will happen. In fact, in case you did not notice, now that the ability to kill macros (with exploit ofc) has been removed or said to be removed, all those utterly concerned "REAL PLAYERS AT THE KEYBOARD" who spammed the thread suddenly disappeared.
Imagine a L4 missioneer getting his NPC rats ninja killed by someone who probed his mission, he'd get quite enraged and probably create some whine thread on general forum.
Isn't it peculiar how it's magically different for these REAL PLAYERS here? Bots would be their competitors, they farm their regions 23/7. Monkey's chose that territory because it's bot-land plus those REAL PLAYERS. Those bots kill the rats in the REAL PLAYERS faces but wait, they are totally fine with it and NEVER complain?
And now that the exploit is done, all will return to the same, years long normality, "dot ru" REAL PLAYERS will silently return to their REAL farming.
After all, the mentality as written in the last posts is: "if they pay rent, who cares what they do", eh?
Fixing 1 dirty exploiter was magically a PRIORITY the very players and a whole community addressed ASAP, but fixing whole regions of other dirty exploiters living near their shoulders is... "CCP's job".
White tombs. Hypocrites. No one believes you, and it's why people took this thread with hostility (not talking about PL trolls).
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SetrakDark
DarkCorp Holdings
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Posted - 2010.04.29 07:16:00 -
[1945]
Lol
Poaned (am i doing this right?)
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Huhuhuhuhuhuh
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Posted - 2010.04.29 07:20:00 -
[1946]
Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha
Quote:
White tombs. Hypocrites. No one believes you, and it's why people took this thread with hostility (not talking about PL trolls).
So. What do you suggest. Write a petition to CCP to implement WoW like raid high-end PVE so botting would be out of the question? Catch macros programmatically is possible but its sword/shield case. Bots will evolve and given current computing capabilities any kind of defence can be defeated with virtualization. So spending effort there is rather stupid. Ofc we can suggest and even donate to CCP some watchdog code, but its rather pointless effort - since they'll have to maintain it constantly or we have to maintain and i personally cannot make a full time commitment to this task, unless said community interested in getting rid of macros pays for my overtime work ~ So Sir, approval from CCP, 80-100$/hour and I am at your disposal. Unless you can make this commitment, Bye.
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar Vahrokh Consulting
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Posted - 2010.04.29 07:43:00 -
[1947]
Quote:
So. What do you suggest
First of all I suggest to close quotes so that the text is readable.
Second, the tech excuse is fallacious, because also the exploits against the self declared REAL ratters will be redone and improved, yet someone bothered and without asking for 1 cent.
Third, to apply the same "united and committed like one tight family" approach when any of you meets a macro, exactly like it was done here to pin down 1 exploit. Otherwise it smells funny how succesfully this thead proved you can rally and call to the arms people enough to fill *2000* posts (that is dozens of people) but it seems impossible to find *5* to do something against bots. Third to enforce no-bot policies on the renters.
Now of course the objection will be: "how do you pretend we convince people to form up and cooperate and organize blah blah"...
and the answer is: "exactly like you managed to do here".
The need to deal with hundreds of exploiters should be felt at least as much as it was for 1 lone exploiter.
Otherwise it's really just balls and white tombs talking.
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Huhuhuhuhuhuh
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Posted - 2010.04.29 07:49:00 -
[1948]
Edited by: Huhuhuhuhuhuh on 29/04/2010 07:53:40 Edited by: Huhuhuhuhuhuh on 29/04/2010 07:51:49 Edited by: Huhuhuhuhuhuh on 29/04/2010 07:50:40
Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha
Quote:
So. What do you suggest
First of all I suggest to close quotes so that the text is readable.
Second, the tech excuse is fallacious, because also the exploits against the self declared REAL ratters will be redone and improved, yet someone bothered and without asking for 1 cent.
Third, to apply the same "united and committed like one tight family" approach when any of you meets a macro, exactly like it was done here to pin down 1 exploit. Otherwise it smells funny how succesfully this thead proved you can rally and call to the arms people enough to fill *2000* posts (that is dozens of people) but it seems impossible to find *5* to do something against bots. Third to enforce no-bot policies on the renters.
Now of course the objection will be: "how do you pretend we convince people to form up and cooperate and organize blah blah"...
and the answer is: "exactly like you managed to do here".
The need to deal with hundreds of exploiters should be felt at least as much as it was for 1 lone exploiter.
Otherwise it's really just balls and white tombs talking.
You are dead stupid misguided. I am fine with 2 hours of reverse engineering, but i am not ok with signing up for unpaid full-time job. Fighting macros is exactly second case. Want to get rid of em? You have to pay.
For the rally part - thank all the pl idiots with "bolsheviks/russki macroz/etc" ****. Kinda stupid of em was to put this as pl against russians in the first place.
Bye. PS. I love exploits. Next one I find will not be brought to forums so all the cool kids wont get a warning untill banhammer hits :)
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TheGunslinger42
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Posted - 2010.04.29 07:59:00 -
[1949]
So are people trying to justify exploiting a bug by saying it was used against people using macros?
LOL
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Psychotic Maniac
Caldari Head Shrinkers
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Posted - 2010.04.29 08:10:00 -
[1950]
Originally by: FireIceHulk This is why monkey is not banned, he uses another method. quote]Really. How would you know what method he's using? You do know CCP will charge you as a co-conspirator for not coming foward and turning him in. "One death is a tragedy. One million deaths is a statistic." |
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Whattis
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Posted - 2010.04.29 10:59:00 -
[1951]
Edited by: Whattis on 29/04/2010 11:01:14
Originally by: Stygian Knight So, a 6 bil ship for ratting is impossible to kill and should not die, and if it dies it's exploit ?
Lone fact that he is using 6 bil ship for 0.0 ratting implicates that he is one of the biggest ******s in eve, and deserved to die in a fire.
Learn to read.
Quote: 6 bil worth
Edit: You know he exploited don't you? You were either involved, or he told you straight up. No way would you jump on such a stupid ass way to defend him if you did not know.
Just when I was starting to respect PLs trolling, you pop up. Sad.
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MatrixSkye Mk2
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.04.29 11:05:00 -
[1952]
Originally by: Stygian Knight So, a 6 bil ship for ratting is impossible to kill and should not die, and if it dies it's exploit ?
Lone fact that he is using 6 bil ship for 0.0 ratting implicates that he is one of the biggest ******s in eve, and deserved to die in a fire.
He didn't say 6-billion-isk ships shouldn't die. He said Mankeydude should be able to continue his 6-billion-isk killing spree regardless on whether the exploit was plugged or not because "he wasn't cheating".
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Stygian Knight
Blood Covenant Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.04.29 11:29:00 -
[1953]
Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2
Originally by: Stygian Knight So, a 6 bil ship for ratting is impossible to kill and should not die, and if it dies it's exploit ?
Lone fact that he is using 6 bil ship for 0.0 ratting implicates that he is one of the biggest ******s in eve, and deserved to die in a fire.
He didn't say 6-billion-isk ships shouldn't die. He said Mankeydude should be able to continue his 6-billion-isk killing spree regardless on whether the exploit was plugged or not because "he wasn't cheating".
He is already doing it
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MatrixSkye Mk2
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.04.29 11:33:00 -
[1954]
Edited by: MatrixSkye Mk2 on 29/04/2010 11:36:23 Orly? That's strange. Pandemic isn't updating his kills on his killboard.
PL Killboard: Monkeysphere
Hmmm, I wonder if he's banned and Pandemic is just keeping it in the downlow. He hasn't had a kill since a week ago. It is awefully convenient of him to be "stuck" in a wormhole all this time .
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Silent Sofia
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Posted - 2010.04.29 11:45:00 -
[1955]
Originally by: Stygian Knight
Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2
Originally by: Stygian Knight So, a 6 bil ship for ratting is impossible to kill and should not die, and if it dies it's exploit ?
Lone fact that he is using 6 bil ship for 0.0 ratting implicates that he is one of the biggest ******s in eve, and deserved to die in a fire.
He didn't say 6-billion-isk ships shouldn't die. He said Mankeydude should be able to continue his 6-billion-isk killing spree regardless on whether the exploit was plugged or not because "he wasn't cheating".
He is already doing it
When was the last kill=) ?
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Stygian Knight
Blood Covenant Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.04.29 12:13:00 -
[1956]
You gotta do your homework better, eve is a place of many alts
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Silent Sofia
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Posted - 2010.04.29 12:18:00 -
[1957]
Edited by: Silent Sofia on 29/04/2010 12:19:41
Originally by: Stygian Knight You gotta do your homework better, eve is a place of many alts
You are contradicting yourself. Its claimed he wasnt exploiting and did not get banned. But why did he all of a sudden go silent?
The teori here is that he was exploiting, got banned and is now on another account. Or are you saying he was just a extremely good pvper, did not get banned but stopped pvping on the character in question?
Edit: Sounds thin, but ok im gonna bite. If he was just a extremely good pvper that did not exploit why did he stop pvping on that character all of a sudden?
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MatrixSkye Mk2
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.04.29 12:23:00 -
[1958]
Originally by: Stygian Knight You gotta do your homework better, eve is a place of many alts
Seriously, your propaganda machine sux .
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sakana
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.04.29 12:59:00 -
[1959]
Originally by: Silent Sofia Edited by: Silent Sofia on 29/04/2010 12:19:41
Originally by: Stygian Knight You gotta do your homework better, eve is a place of many alts
Edit: Sounds thin, but ok im gonna bite. If he was just a extremely good pvper that did not exploit why did he stop pvping on that character all of a sudden?
who has time to solo with all the red pen ops and mandatory CTAs going on against BLAST!?
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Jackuu Bauwaah
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Posted - 2010.04.29 13:06:00 -
[1960]
Originally by: sakana
Originally by: Silent Sofia Edited by: Silent Sofia on 29/04/2010 12:19:41
Originally by: Stygian Knight You gotta do your homework better, eve is a place of many alts
Edit: Sounds thin, but ok im gonna bite. If he was just a extremely good pvper that did not exploit why did he stop pvping on that character all of a sudden?
who has time to solo with all the red pen ops and mandatory CTAs going on against BLAST!?
Still to weak
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sakana
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.04.29 13:10:00 -
[1961]
Originally by: Jackuu Bauwaah
Originally by: sakana
Originally by: Silent Sofia Edited by: Silent Sofia on 29/04/2010 12:19:41
Originally by: Stygian Knight You gotta do your homework better, eve is a place of many alts
Edit: Sounds thin, but ok im gonna bite. If he was just a extremely good pvper that did not exploit why did he stop pvping on that character all of a sudden?
who has time to solo with all the red pen ops and mandatory CTAs going on against BLAST!?
Still to weak
also his wife just had a baby
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Nuts Nougat
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.04.29 13:17:00 -
[1962]
Originally by: Ellatan Deruimte That's a pretty weak troll, considering that he didn't kill anybody since this thread appeared. What's wrong? Why doesn't he use his completely non exploit methods to continue his rampage. I mean I manage to kill ratters every day without any exploits.
As a fellow EVE player, I can confirm that killing ratters is what I do all day, every day. ---
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Jackuu Bauwaah
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Posted - 2010.04.29 13:19:00 -
[1963]
Originally by: sakana
also his wife just had a baby
Ill just wait around for a couple weeks then and see if i see him around
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Danks
Caldari Fat Angry Toe Tappin Inbreds
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Posted - 2010.04.29 13:22:00 -
[1964]
Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2
Originally by: Stygian Knight You gotta do your homework better, eve is a place of many alts
Seriously, your propaganda machine sux .
Nothing to do with the argument at hand, but that line coming from you is hilarious
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sakana
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.04.29 13:26:00 -
[1965]
Originally by: Jackuu Bauwaah
Originally by: sakana
also his wife just had a baby
Ill just wait around for a couple weeks then and see if i see him around
i could be wrong but i think he's planning on keeping it for longer than that.
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Ellatan Deruimte
Surreal corp Stain Empire
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Posted - 2010.04.29 13:31:00 -
[1966]
Originally by: Nuts Nougat Edited by: Nuts Nougat on 29/04/2010 13:24:54
Originally by: Ellatan Deruimte That's a pretty weak troll, considering that he didn't kill anybody since this thread appeared. What's wrong? Why doesn't he use his completely non exploit methods to continue his rampage. I mean I manage to kill ratters every day without any exploits.
As a fellow EVE player, I can confirm that killing ratters is what I do all day, every day.
Edit: whatever his reason for pausing it is thought, it's going to be all the more sweet when he resumes his holy rage. Just when people will think they are safe, He will appear, suddenly right behind them, only seconds after appearing in local. Right?
Не прекращайте верить, Держись за чувство люди фонарный столб
(c) Monkeysphere
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sakana
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.04.29 13:37:00 -
[1967]
Originally by: Ellatan Deruimte
Originally by: Nuts Nougat Edited by: Nuts Nougat on 29/04/2010 13:24:54
Originally by: Ellatan Deruimte That's a pretty weak troll, considering that he didn't kill anybody since this thread appeared. What's wrong? Why doesn't he use his completely non exploit methods to continue his rampage. I mean I manage to kill ratters every day without any exploits.
As a fellow EVE player, I can confirm that killing ratters is what I do all day, every day.
Edit: whatever his reason for pausing it is thought, it's going to be all the more sweet when he resumes his holy rage. Just when people will think they are safe, He will appear, suddenly right behind them, only seconds after appearing in local. Right?
Не прекращайте верить, Держись за чувство люди фонарный столб
(c) Monkeysphere
people lampost <3
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Pr1ncess Alia
Caldari Perkone
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Posted - 2010.04.29 14:46:00 -
[1968]
Originally by: Ellatan Deruimte Monkey was exploiting though, at this time that is kind of obvious.
O B V I O U S! (nevermind no one has any proof against the guy. minds are made up, it's obvious)
Originally by: Wyn Pharoh Please. It is Pandemic Legion we are talking about, at least in part here right? If it possible for anyone to be guilty of anything, I will presume up front that whatever it is, they may very well in fact be guilty. It's just how they roll
that's how PL rolls. they cheat in everything they do. don't deny it, everyone knows it. it's obvious.
Originally by: Huhuhuhuhuhuh Bye. PS. I love exploits.
i bet you do. thats how you and all your buddies make all your isk, because macros ARE exploits
Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2 This thread has gone 60+ pages because of Pandemic Legion and people like you trolling and justifying the use of an exploit. That's the controversy. You keep talking like it's 60 pages of people posting "BAN MONKEY THE CHEATER" and "+1". It isn't.
they come here flaunting on how this cheat was somehow a good thing for Eve and so what if some non-deserving players get exploited along the way... They suck anyway .
look at this guy. no misinformation or rose colored glasses here, no sir it was all PL. ****, russians didn't even organize on their forums to threadnaught this exact thread right here. never happened. all PL
Originally by: Whattis I'm wholly impressed by your ability to derail this thread from exploit hating to macroratter hating. Honestly it's some of the finest trolling I have ever seen.
nevermind the only actual crime committed is by the macrobots angry that someone figured out how to outsmart their macros
nevermind every single outrage kill from .rus show a person that was never at the keyboard (hint: a person doesn't log off and on in exactly timed incriments allowing for a well timed SUPRISE!! next to them, only programs do that)
nevermind there was no exploit used to kill them, just intimate knowledge of the macros timers, the only person that found/created an exploit was the guy that knows the client server info relay. instead of realizing their macros are dumb, they assumed a cheat existed and set out to find one
nevermind PL actually did take on a contract since this thread has started. (but but but he hasn't killed any ravens this week!!) awesome damning evidence you have there
Originally by: Merouk Baas image is PL = exploiters, and whether it's true or not, that's what it is right now.
only to forum monkeys that don't matter. the actual people that play the game vs pl? well just go ask them how exploiting they are in raping their faces day in and day out. ask them if they appeared in local too
Originally by: Whattis Edit: You know he exploited don't you? You were either involved, or he told you straight up. No way would you jump on such a stupid ass way to defend him if you did not know.
your involved in all this AREN'T YOU! SAY IT! ADMIT IT! YOUR BEHIND ALL THE RUSSIANS!! YOU WOULDN"T BE HERE OTHERWISE! NO ONE WOULD BE DUMB ENOUGH TO COME TO THE FORUMS AND ARGUE THIS WITHOUT KNOWING ALL THE DOORS, HOLDING ALL THE KEYS! IT WAS YOU ALL ALONG!
Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2 Hmmm, I wonder if he's banned and Pandemic is just keeping it in the downlow. He hasn't had a kill since a week ago. It is awefully convenient of him to be "stuck" in a wormhole all this time
You'll have to trust me here (or log into the game and use the client tools to prove it to yourself). He isn't. They aren't. He has. And He isn't anymore.
but if you knew anything about anything (**** if you even read the thread) you'd know how dumb you were
Originally by: Silent Sofia Edited by: Silent Sofia on 29/04/2010 12:19:41
Originally by: Stygian Knight You gotta do your homework better, eve is a place of many alts
You are contradicting yourself. Its claimed he wasnt exploiting and did not get banned. But why did he all of a sudden go silent?
he's not contradicting, he's explaining. you are projecting and reading things that aren't there.
"A game that is significantly nonlinear is sometimes described as being open-ended or a sandbox, and is characterized by there being no "right way" of playing the g... |
Silent Sofia
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Posted - 2010.04.29 15:00:00 -
[1969]
Originally by: Pr1ncess Alia Stuff
Ill just add him to the adress book then and see if he comes online anytime soon?
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Hamshoe
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Posted - 2010.04.29 15:08:00 -
[1970]
Originally by: sakana
also his wife just had a baby
Dog ate his router?
Just trying to help. |
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Derelicht
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Posted - 2010.04.29 15:12:00 -
[1971]
+rep for Princess Alia.
Oh wait, this forum has no rep. Well said, though.
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Pr1ncess Alia
Caldari Perkone
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Posted - 2010.04.29 15:15:00 -
[1972]
Originally by: Silent Sofia
Originally by: Pr1ncess Alia Stuff
Ill just add him to the adress book then and see if he comes online anytime soon?
this might be a good idea.
some might even consider doing this (or knowing ANYTHING what-so-ever) before joining in a discussion they know nothing about
"A game that is significantly nonlinear is sometimes described as being open-ended or a sandbox, and is characterized by there being no "right way" of playing the game." |
MatrixSkye Mk2
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.04.29 15:42:00 -
[1973]
Us: Strange, Monkeyman hasn't had kills since a week ago. PL: "He's already started killinz " Us: But according to your own killboard he hasn't killed anything since a week ago . PL: "He's stuck in a wormhole" PL: "He's using an alt". PL: "He has no time with all the mandatory ops and CTAs" PL: "He just had a baby" PL: "Um, he's planning a triumphant return to show you suckas"
I see .
Pandemic Legion Propaganda Machine is the best propaganda machine.
Grief a PVP'er. Run a mission today! |
Lady Spank
Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta
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Posted - 2010.04.29 16:19:00 -
[1974]
The degree of stupidity is at dangerous levels in this thread. I know you like to argue a point to the death (of your forum alt) but really, this is bigger fail than your ninja crusade. Really bad trolling m8
27th April 2010 9DQW-W : Fountain Weekly Kills: 43
In a week where he's apparently done nothing, he kills 40+ ships. That's definitely some pro hax. Oh but these aren't ratters so this proves everything, dayum.
I like how everyone expects a performance from the 'dancing monkey'. Funny to see so many people still whining.
Thread continues to deliver. ~_~ (Retired from ship toasting. Now a professional.)
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Jovialmadness
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Posted - 2010.04.29 16:34:00 -
[1975]
Originally by: Flinx Evenstar
Originally by: Jovialmadness
Blobbing, individually inept meta gamers that spend entirely too much time being average. Everytime I go after you muppets in solo fights you die horribly.
I'm just emo'ing right now cause I want to. Please accept my apologies.
I would like to honourably spaceship pistol dual with you, to save my good friend Monkeys honour. I care deeply about what forum alts think about me and my alliance.
Select your weapon sir, we shall fight at dawn.
My troll alt has more skill/time ingame and isk than your main. I accept your request for a dual with pistols.
P.s. I could be wrong about character start dates but I am making the assumption off the fact you are in PL and talk a typical big game because of your loser alliance. |
Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2010.04.29 16:50:00 -
[1976]
Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2 Us: Strange, Monkeyman hasn't had kills since a week ago. PL: "He's already started killinz " Us: But according to your own killboard he hasn't killed anything since a week ago . PL: "He's stuck in a wormhole" PL: "He's using an alt". PL: "He has no time with all the mandatory ops and CTAs" PL: "He just had a baby" PL: "Um, he's planning a triumphant return to show you suckas"
I see .
Pandemic Legion Propaganda Machine is the best propaganda machine.
As far as I know PL doesn't have a Propaganda Machine. Their Troll Machine however is first class as evidenced by 65+ pages of this thread though.
Originally by: CCP Zymurgist Get off the forums and go kill someone!
Originally by: Amarr Supremacist Yeah, it(Jaguar) almost has cruiser level tank and gank!
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Wyn Pharoh
Gallente Deep Stage THE-FEDERATION
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Posted - 2010.04.29 19:30:00 -
[1977]
Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2
Originally by: Wyn Pharoh
By the way, no one deserves to die to an exploit. I'm sure that some of these ratters will die again and let us all sit back and await the 'sturm und drang' about it must have been haxors that laid waste their pretty marauders.
Again, nice and simple for you:
SHOW ME a thread where macrobotters and exploiters are justifying and taunting the use of exploits and I WILL POST MY DISCONTENT there. Oh, and it has to be in English. This thread has gone 60+ pages because of Pandemic Legion and people like you trolling and justifying the use of an exploit. That's the controversy. You keep talking like it's 60 pages of people posting "BAN MONKEY THE CHEATER" and "+1". It isn't. Is 60 pages of back and forth bickering between those that disagree with what he did and those that don't.
I'm not sure that I can show you one in ENGLISH, since most of my own walls of text have been asking why this is apparently an acceptable discourse in the .ru world. I am so not in any way connected to PL, the idea itself is laughable. I've been in 3 player corps since I started playing eve, and 2 have the same CEO. The first was my brother's corp, but somehow, I'm a PL troll? I guess that it's simply impossible for you to understand that honest players have a hard time finding your issues credible while you are continuing to turn a blind eye towards the problems in your own house. As I've pointed out previously, it will take someone within the house of .ru to get serious about taking out your trash. Otherwise, all you are going to get is the same nauseating stream of equally ignorant 'It's just Russians complaining about exploits, meh, who are they to talk' garbage.
Originally by: Wyn Pharoh Well, I guess you also made Eve a slightly safer place for horrble pilots to rat in Marauders as well, congratulations there for white knighting stupidity in null sec.
Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2 If you didn't mean what is clearly your opinion on what the fix of this exploit accomplished above, then what DID you mean by stating the above? You still didn't answer my question . You're here spewing the same crap that PL has been spewing, namely a back-and-forth between "he didn't do it" and "good for him for doing it" among their other usual trolling.
And here are my true colors: NO EXPLOIT IS RIGHT FOR WHATEVER REASONS. And no alliance should have the right to execute exploits, especially on non-cheating players. If this would have been an issue of Pandemic Legion targetting botters exclusively with their cheats then I can assure you I wouldn't have cared as much. But you and they come here flaunting on how this cheat was somehow a good thing for Eve and so what if some non-deserving players get exploited along the way... They suck anyway . Which is EXACTLY what you meant in the above statement. And you're still here trolling, denying and justifying.
My own first quote above details my opinion on exploits. I have said previously that I will join everyone in a healthy bout of roflol if CCP decides to punish anyone, particularly if it's anyone connected to PL. The irony of my second quote seems to have been lost on you, so I will sum it up by saying that it is embarrassing and shameful that making Eve safe for silly ratters in Marauders is far more important to you than dealing with the greater issue at large. It is embarrassing and shameful that so many have come here to this forum to beat this issue to death while taking no responsibility at all for a larger issue that EFFECTS ALL NON-CHEATING PLAYERS EQUALLY. I see your logical fallacies and raise your syntactic analysis engine all in. Smash the State...and Have A Nice Day!!! |
Ellatan Deruimte
Surreal corp Stain Empire
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Posted - 2010.04.29 20:03:00 -
[1978]
Originally by: Wyn Pharoh
I'm not sure that I can show you one in ENGLISH, since most of my own walls of text have been asking why this is apparently an acceptable discourse in the .ru world. I am so not in any way connected to PL, the idea itself is laughable. I've been in 3 player corps since I started playing eve, and 2 have the same CEO. The first was my brother's corp, but somehow, I'm a PL troll? I guess that it's simply impossible for you to understand that honest players have a hard time finding your issues credible while you are continuing to turn a blind eye towards the problems in your own house. As I've pointed out previously, it will take someone within the house of .ru to get serious about taking out your trash. Otherwise, all you are going to get is the same nauseating stream of equally ignorant 'It's just Russians complaining about exploits, meh, who are they to talk' garbage.
Show me those threads in RUSSIAN, lol. Show me how is it acceptable in ".ru world." Give us some quotes, content, anything. All of it are just lies. You are supporting cheaters and exploiters and attempting to change the topic. It won't work. This topic is about exploiters from Pandemic Legion. The exploit was documented, researched, reported to CCP and fixed.
All of the other issues that EVE has, and it has plenty more, should be addressed in other topics. They have zero relevance to this one. You are just as responsible for making EVE a better game as any other player of all nationalities. Responsibility doesn't lie on the shoulders of a single group, so your xenophobia falls on deaf ears. You don't take this particular issue seriously for whatever reason? Ok, it doesn't matter now, does it? It was fixed and EVE is now a better game, despite your efforts at supporting cheaters. Ciao.
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Pr1ncess Alia
Caldari Perkone
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Posted - 2010.04.29 20:05:00 -
[1979]
Edited by: Pr1ncess Alia on 29/04/2010 20:06:40
Originally by: Ellatan Deruimte
You are supporting cheaters and exploiters and attempting to change the topic. It won't work. This topic is about exploiters from Pandemic Legion. The exploit was documented, researched, reported to CCP and fixed.
All of the other issues that EVE has, and it has plenty more, should be addressed in other topics. They have zero relevance to this one. You are just as responsible for making EVE a better game as any other player of all nationalities. Responsibility doesn't lie on the shoulders of a single group, so your xenophobia falls on deaf ears. You don't take this particular issue seriously for whatever reason? Ok, it doesn't matter now, does it? It was fixed and EVE is now a better game, despite your efforts at supporting cheaters. Ciao.
Ok, don't want you all jivvered up and confused. For one quick minute we will narrow our topic to just PL cheating exploiters you are so adamant about.
I don't want you to think I'm not taking this seriously, so we will push aside all the bull**** and hearsay etc...
Give me one item of proof he was cheating.
I'll wait here.
"A game that is significantly nonlinear is sometimes described as being open-ended or a sandbox, and is characterized by there being no "right way" of playing the game." |
Metal Dude
Destructive Influence IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.04.29 20:14:00 -
[1980]
Originally by: Pr1ncess Alia Give me one item of proof he was cheating.
Maybe you should go back to page 1 and read the thread.
The truth will set you free
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Pr1ncess Alia
Caldari Perkone
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Posted - 2010.04.29 20:24:00 -
[1981]
Originally by: Metal Dude Maybe you should go back to page 1 and read the thread.
Your in IT, so I'll take an extra minute for you to figure out what I asked for...
Show me proof anyone from PL was cheating.
NOT proof that some .ru macro guy went out and found an exploit that he created all by himself proof anyone from PL was cheating.
"A game that is significantly nonlinear is sometimes described as being open-ended or a sandbox, and is characterized by there being no "right way" of playing the game." |
Ellatan Deruimte
Surreal corp Stain Empire
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Posted - 2010.04.29 20:34:00 -
[1982]
Edited by: Ellatan Deruimte on 29/04/2010 20:36:29
Originally by: Pr1ncess Alia
Give me one item of proof he was cheating.
Original mention November 2009, but nobody believed those claims, because nobody could replicate it.
Read that, that's a new thread with dozens of eyewitness reports.
Legitimate killing bots guide on Ru community forums, so much for supporting them right? Players discuss how can they be killed without exploits or cheats in that thread. Monkeyshere is mentioned in that thread too as an exploiter.
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Whattis
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Posted - 2010.04.29 20:52:00 -
[1983]
Edited by: Whattis on 29/04/2010 20:54:27
Originally by: Pr1ncess Alia
your involved in all this AREN'T YOU! SAY IT! ADMIT IT! YOUR BEHIND ALL THE RUSSIANS!! YOU WOULDN"T BE HERE OTHERWISE! NO ONE WOULD BE DUMB ENOUGH TO COME TO THE FORUMS AND ARGUE THIS WITHOUT KNOWING ALL THE DOORS, HOLDING ALL THE KEYS! IT WAS YOU ALL ALONG!
Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit. Something someone that can't differentiate between your and you're clings to when pushed into a corner.
The all caps is just the cherry on the pathetic cake.
Edit:
Quote: Show me proof anyone from PL was cheating.
Show me proof god does not exist.
I guess that means he does.
You're an idiot, go away.
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Pr1ncess Alia
Caldari Perkone
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Posted - 2010.04.29 21:11:00 -
[1984]
Originally by: Ellatan Deruimte
Original mention November 2009, but nobody believed those claims, because nobody could replicate it.
Read that, that's a new thread with dozens of eyewitness reports.
Legitimate killing bots guide on Ru community forums, so much for supporting them right? Players discuss how can they be killed without exploits or cheats in that thread. Monkeyshere is mentioned in that thread too as an exploiter.
ok, do you understand the idea of proof? evidence?
hint: it isn't "this guy said he thinks this other guy is doing something"
look, i'll do you a favor. no one has any. we all already know this
does that mean monkey wasn't cheating? no
what it does mean is that no one here's argument against PL has a leg to stand on. all you have is people that think he is and are angry about that
Originally by: Whattis
I'm an idiot, go away.
oh dear, i'm pathetic now and icing cakes.
fyp, ur smart
sorry, you're smart.
"A game that is significantly nonlinear is sometimes described as being open-ended or a sandbox, and is characterized by there being no "right way" of playing the game." |
VicturusTeSaluto
Metafarmers MeatSausage EXPRESS
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Posted - 2010.04.29 21:14:00 -
[1985]
I have actually managed to kill some macro ratting russkis before.... I must cheat too.
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MatrixSkye Mk2
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.04.29 21:37:00 -
[1986]
Originally by: Pr1ncess Alia Give me one item of proof he was cheating.
There is no proof that will convince you. Or rather, you're looking to save face (Pandemic Legion's). Read the thread from page 1 and notice the progression. Notice all the evidence that is presented. Notice how Pandemic Legion progresses with their excuses. Notice your own progression.
The proof you ask for doesn't exist. Because you will excuse ANY proof that is presented here with some bull**** reason on what happened. It's all you've been doing. What you ask for is what you know no one has, a FRAPS of Monkey's GUI exploiting along with a signed confession from him. And even then you'll come here and say it's fake, or switch gears and instead justify his cheating. This won't end with you.
Save your court questions for CCP because when **** hits the fan you'll want to throw your stupid "OMG CCP WHERES PROOFZ? WHY YOU BANS MONKEY MAN?"
That if he hasn't already been banned.
Grief a PVP'er. Run a mission today! |
SetrakDark
DarkCorp Holdings
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Posted - 2010.04.29 21:49:00 -
[1987]
I saw MatrixSkye Mk2 using haxploits.
Plus now he's not using them, so obviously he was using the before.
****ing ******.
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Pr1ncess Alia
Caldari Perkone
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Posted - 2010.04.29 22:23:00 -
[1988]
Edited by: Pr1ncess Alia on 29/04/2010 22:23:58
Originally by: SetrakDark I saw MatrixSkye Mk2 using haxploits.
Plus now he's not using them, so obviously he was using the before.
****ing ******.
i know
look at the progression
Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2 This won't end with you.
no, it won't. and i'm guessing that is a problem for you
"A game that is significantly nonlinear is sometimes described as being open-ended or a sandbox, and is characterized by there being no "right way" of playing the game." |
Avon
Caldari Versatech Co. Aeternus.
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Posted - 2010.04.29 22:26:00 -
[1989]
Originally by: Pr1ncess Alia "A game that is significantly nonlinear is sometimes described as being open-ended or a sandbox, and is characterized by there being no "right way" of playing the game."
Does that imply there is no wrong way, like maybe exploiting, hacking or using macros?
Just askin' Signature removed, please only use English on the forums. Zymurgist Okay sweet-cheeks xxx. Avon |
riverini
Gallente Reliables Inc Majesta Empire
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Posted - 2010.04.29 22:30:00 -
[1990]
Edited by: riverini on 29/04/2010 22:31:51 Posting in a threadnaught...
** German Giggles ** riverini
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Pr1ncess Alia
Caldari Perkone
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Posted - 2010.04.29 23:27:00 -
[1991]
Originally by: Avon
Originally by: Pr1ncess Alia "A game that is significantly nonlinear is sometimes described as being open-ended or a sandbox, and is characterized by there being no "right way" of playing the game."
Does that imply there is no wrong way, like maybe exploiting, hacking or using macros?
Just askin'
no Glenn, nonlinear != no rules
but I understand. ur just askin questions
"A game that is significantly nonlinear is sometimes described as being open-ended or a sandbox, and is characterized by there being no "right way" of playing the game." |
Avon
Caldari Versatech Co. Aeternus.
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Posted - 2010.04.29 23:49:00 -
[1992]
Originally by: Pr1ncess Alia
Originally by: Avon
Originally by: Pr1ncess Alia "A game that is significantly nonlinear is sometimes described as being open-ended or a sandbox, and is characterized by there being no "right way" of playing the game."
Does that imply there is no wrong way, like maybe exploiting, hacking or using macros?
Just askin'
no Glenn, nonlinear != no rules
but I understand. ur just askin questions
Ah, so the right way is right because it is stopping people doing wrong, even if it is wrong, right?
Thanks for clearing that up for me. Signature removed, please only use English on the forums. Zymurgist Okay sweet-cheeks xxx. Avon |
Lady Karma
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Posted - 2010.04.30 00:19:00 -
[1993]
Back to the top, the tears are not fully harvested yet
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Soon Shin
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Posted - 2010.04.30 00:49:00 -
[1994]
Quote: Don't act high and mighty babbling about some form of justice on him or any PL member being banned. We're just going the route that CCP refuses to go. We're going to fix the blight in 0.0 space with or without their assistance. We've petitioned and done everything within mechanics we could possibly do to stymie this problem, we've taken our own skill which is superior to CCP's own developers and come up with solutions to both the lag, fps and botting problem with our custom UI.
A very bold thing for them to say. I understand their frustration, but this is stretching it.
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Capt Fossil
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.04.30 01:06:00 -
[1995]
Originally by: Lady Karma Back to the top, the tears are not fully harvested yet
Oh Hai, I am L337 MMO Ho poasting in this threadnaught.
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The Monkeysphere
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.04.30 01:12:00 -
[1996]
Edited by: The Monkeysphere on 30/04/2010 01:15:25 Wow, all you people seem awfully angry over an exploit created by the people who are actually botting. It's strange that they publicized it, they could have probably improved their bots somehow!
alas, stupidity
//edit: you guys are exploiters I am starting a thread you're going to be banned so hard
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Ellatan Deruimte
Surreal corp Stain Empire
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Posted - 2010.04.30 01:20:00 -
[1997]
Originally by: The Monkeysphere Edited by: The Monkeysphere on 30/04/2010 01:15:25 Wow, all you people seem awfully angry over an exploit created by the people who are actually botting. It's strange that they publicized it, they could have probably improved their bots somehow!
alas, stupidity
//edit: you guys are exploiters I am starting a thread you're going to be banned so hard
Why don't you try to extort some RL money from botters about it?
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The Monkeysphere
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.04.30 01:25:00 -
[1998]
Actually I'm pretty sure the people struggling with RL money are the ones I've been killing, since I've been cutting a tiny bit of their daily income off by killing their Ravens/Golems when their MACROING HACKS don't work the way they're supposed to.
But hey, maybe you could find some new exploits, it only seems to take like two days for you guys!
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Capt Fossil
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.04.30 01:26:00 -
[1999]
Originally by: The Monkeysphere Edited by: The Monkeysphere on 30/04/2010 01:15:25 Wow, all you people seem awfully angry over an exploit created by the people who are actually botting. It's strange that they publicized it, they could have probably improved their bots somehow!
alas, stupidity
//edit: you guys are exploiters I am starting a thread you're going to be banned so hard
I am L337 Soveeit Macro Master. This will be dwelt with A Bunch of Russki Botters
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Grath Telkin
Amarr Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.04.30 02:15:00 -
[2000]
Edited by: Grath Telkin on 30/04/2010 02:15:53
Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2
That if he hasn't already been banned.
See how dumb and wrong you are right here?
I'll help you a long with the biomass process and tell you that its been this way for the whole thread.
Also, Ellatan, you seem to have a problem with the idea of verifiable evidence that incriminates somebody.
You know, like the kind that got overlooked when your alliance got caught with the POS exploit, but got off of free of charge because of developer ties?
Now see, thats ACTUAL proof, not things matrix dreams up in his basement at night while raging about ninja's.
I actually expected more from you though, to bite so hard on the troll and run with it this far is a bit shocking. I guess your just not very good at actually playing anymore.
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Ellatan Deruimte
Surreal corp Stain Empire
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Posted - 2010.04.30 04:21:00 -
[2001]
Originally by: Grath Telkin Also, Ellatan, you seem to have a problem with the idea of verifiable evidence that incriminates somebody.
You know, like the kind that got overlooked when your alliance got caught with the POS exploit, but got off of free of charge because of developer ties?
Now see, thats ACTUAL proof, not things matrix dreams up in his basement at night while raging about ninja's.
I actually expected more from you though, to bite so hard on the troll and run with it this far is a bit shocking. I guess your just not very good at actually playing anymore.
The only verifiable evidence is in CCP's hands, I said that many times. I have no idea about any POS stuff from my old alliance, how is that relevant to this topic? Oh wait, it isn't. You just said some stuff, called it ACTUAL proof and made a kindergarden insult. Bravo.
You talk to me like you know me, or I'm supposed to know who you are. Sorry to disappoint you on both counts. Good at playing... What? Playing EVE General forums? You make me laugh.
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Rex Mundus
Sniggerdly
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Posted - 2010.04.30 05:08:00 -
[2002]
Originally by: The Monkeysphere Actually I'm pretty sure the people struggling with RL money are the ones I've been killing, since I've been cutting a tiny bit of their daily income off by killing their Ravens/Golems when their MACROING HACKS don't work the way they're supposed to.
But hey, maybe you could find some new exploits, it only seems to take like two days for you guys!
Good to see the new unbanning functions of 'Sphere v4.3' are working.
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Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2010.04.30 05:23:00 -
[2003]
Hey monkeysphere. What does the W stand for in your sig? 'N'orth 'E'astern 'W'??? 'S'wat.
Originally by: CCP Zymurgist Get off the forums and go kill someone!
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Grath Telkin
Amarr Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.04.30 07:08:00 -
[2004]
Originally by: Ellatan Deruimte You just said some stuff, called it ACTUAL proof and made a kindergarden insult. Bravo.
Wait, why is it ok for the russian community to do the same this very same thing and its ok?
Thats pretty much been the argument so far right?
You guys said some stuff, called our guys fat or "pretty boy", then called it actual proof of monkey cheating.
How is what you all did in this thread any different than what I just did?
I can tell you:
I didn't go create a POS exploit from thin air to back up my claims.
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dronesupport
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Posted - 2010.04.30 07:13:00 -
[2005]
Relax. Skilless ppl will always try to use exploits or something. And they will always try to say "Hey!!! im killing bad ppl!! im killing macro!macro!macro! arrghhs!". They are ready to call everyone "macroer", or, to make it more weighty, "russian macroer".
Well, its life. ****** was killing ppl using all methods because of "subhuman race". Monkey are killing because of ".ru macro" or any another fictional justification.
Circle of life ^^)
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Dianeces
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.04.30 07:16:00 -
[2006]
Originally by: Zeba Hey monkeysphere. What does the W stand for in your sig? 'N'orth 'E'astern 'W'??? 'S'wat.
Bobbechk doesn't know how to spell.
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Nuts Nougat
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.04.30 07:25:00 -
[2007]
Originally by: dronesupport Relax. Skilless ppl will always try to use exploits or something. And they will always try to say "Hey!!! im killing bad ppl!! im killing macro!macro!macro! arrghhs!". They are ready to call everyone "macroer", or, to make it more weighty, "russian macroer".
Well, its life. ****** was killing ppl using all methods because of "subhuman race". Monkey are killing because of ".ru macro" or any another fictional justification.
Circle of life ^^)
The circle is now complete. ---
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dronesupport
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Posted - 2010.04.30 07:27:00 -
[2008]
Originally by: Nuts Nougat
Originally by: dronesupport Relax. Skilless ppl will always try to use exploits or something. And they will always try to say "Hey!!! im killing bad ppl!! im killing macro!macro!macro! arrghhs!". They are ready to call everyone "macroer", or, to make it more weighty, "russian macroer".
Well, its life. ****** was killing ppl using all methods because of "subhuman race". Monkey are killing because of ".ru macro" or any another fictional justification.
Circle of life ^^)
The circle is now complete.
Nope, this exploiter is not banned yet.
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itsan egro
Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2010.04.30 07:29:00 -
[2009]
Originally by: dronesupport
Well, its life. ****** was killing ppl using all methods because of "subhuman race". Monkey are killing because of ".ru macro" or any another fictional justification.
Circle of life ^^)
Really, you're going to compare video game shenanigans to the murder of millions of defenseless people? Really?
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TikTok
Gallente ElitistOps Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.04.30 07:29:00 -
[2010]
Originally by: dronesupport Relax. Skilless ppl will always try to use exploits or something. And they will always try to say "Hey!!! im killing bad ppl!! im killing macro!macro!macro! arrghhs!". They are ready to call everyone "macroer", or, to make it more weighty, "russian macroer".
Well, its life. ****** was killing ppl using all methods because of "subhuman race". Monkey are killing because of ".ru macro" or any another fictional justification.
Circle of life ^^)
:frogsiren: Godwin's Law is now in effect :frogsiren:
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Nuts Nougat
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.04.30 07:38:00 -
[2011]
Originally by: dronesupport Nope, this exploiter is not banned yet.
Actually I meant this thread. If you don't know what I mean, read TikTok's response. ---
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Raneru
Euphoria Released
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Posted - 2010.04.30 08:41:00 -
[2012]
Its been hotfixed. Botters rejoice!
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Ranka Mei
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.04.30 09:36:00 -
[2013]
Originally by: Pr1ncess Alia
Originally by: Metal Dude Maybe you should go back to page 1 and read the thread.
Show me proof anyone from PL was cheating.
As the saying goes, "The proof of the pie is in the ch-eating."
Now that the hole is plugged, Monkeyman will no longer be able to pull off his miracle streak. And that, man-friend, will counter any and all bull you could ever amass in a lifetime, tenfold over. -- Gorgeous, delicious, deculture! |
Catheryn Martobi
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Posted - 2010.04.30 10:03:00 -
[2014]
Originally by: Ranka Mei
Originally by: Pr1ncess Alia
Originally by: Metal Dude Maybe you should go back to page 1 and read the thread.
Show me proof anyone from PL was cheating.
As the saying goes, "The proof of the pie is in the ch-eating."
Now that the hole is plugged, Monkeyman will no longer be able to pull off his miracle streak. And that, man-friend, will counter any and all bull you could ever amass in a lifetime, tenfold over.
Can we get a link to his KB? Its been a few days since the fix, I want to see the trend so far.
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Jobby
Minmatar Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2010.04.30 10:44:00 -
[2015]
Originally by: Raneru Its been hotfixed. Botters rejoice!
+1
Hell, +∞
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Zeke Mobius
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Posted - 2010.04.30 11:05:00 -
[2016]
So its CCP policy to not ban anyone who manipulates the way the clients communicates with the server to enable an edge over everyone else on the server that isn't in the know about the hack?
Does this mean any hacks you find out and DONT REPORT and use until they are found out, you get off scotfree?
Its always something eh CCP?
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MatrixSkye Mk2
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.04.30 11:27:00 -
[2017]
Edited by: MatrixSkye Mk2 on 30/04/2010 11:28:42
Originally by: Grath Telkin
Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2
That if he hasn't already been banned.
See how dumb and wrong you are right here?
I'll help you a long with the biomass process and tell you that its been this way for the whole thread.
Also, Ellatan, you seem to have a problem with the idea of verifiable evidence that incriminates somebody.
You know, like the kind that got overlooked when your alliance got caught with the POS exploit, but got off of free of charge because of developer ties?
Now see, thats ACTUAL proof, not things matrix dreams up in his basement at night while raging about ninja's.
I actually expected more from you though, to bite so hard on the troll and run with it this far is a bit shocking. I guess your just not very good at actually playing anymore.
Re-read that line until you completely understand the meaning of it before calling others dumb. And once you've understood it, explain to me what you think it means. I'll give you a second chance :).
Grief a PVP'er. Run a mission today! |
Xtover
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.04.30 11:30:00 -
[2018]
Originally by: Zeke Mobius So its CCP policy to not ban anyone who manipulates the way the clients communicates with the server to enable an edge over everyone else on the server that isn't in the know about the hack?
Does this mean any hacks you find out and DONT REPORT and use until they are found out, you get off scotfree?
Its always something eh CCP?
a dicto secundum quid ad dictum simpliciter
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Psychotic Maniac
Caldari Head Shrinkers
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Posted - 2010.04.30 13:15:00 -
[2019]
Originally by: Zeke Mobius So its CCP policy to not ban anyone who manipulates the way the clients communicates with the server to enable an edge over everyone else on the server that isn't in the know about the hack?
Does this mean any hacks you find out and DONT REPORT and use until they are found out, you get off scotfree?
Its always something eh CCP?
guess so, as long as it doen't involve their beer, they don't care. "One death is a tragedy. One million deaths is a statistic." |
Zex Maxwell
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.04.30 16:18:00 -
[2020]
This topic needs to die/locked. People said what needs to be said. Hotfix fixed the problem and people still get off topic.
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Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2010.04.30 16:20:00 -
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Originally by: Zex Maxwell Hotfix fixed the problem
Are you sure?
Originally by: CCP Zymurgist Get off the forums and go kill someone!
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Shiangti
Caldari Revelation Exploration Inc. Without Remorse.
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Posted - 2010.04.30 16:23:00 -
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Originally by: Lady Spank The degree of stupidity is at dangerous levels in this thread. I know you like to argue a point to the death (of your forum alt) but really, this is bigger fail than your ninja crusade. Really bad trolling m8
27th April 2010 9DQW-W : Fountain Weekly Kills: 43
In a week where he's apparently done nothing, he kills 40+ ships. That's definitely some pro hax. Oh but these aren't ratters so this proves everything, dayum.
I like how everyone expects a performance from the 'dancing monkey'. Funny to see so many people still whining.
Thread continues to deliver.
Who is the troll here? look up. I believe all macro users should be banned.
Here is Monkey's stats from Pandemic's Killboard as of now: PL Killboard
Monkey's last kill was the raven in wh space. In the last week, he has had no more kills. I look forward to seeing him continue his multi-billion isk killing spree. I do not know if he was exploiting or not. If he was not, then I expect to start seeing more kills since he was using legitimate in game tactics. If he was and the exploit is now fixed, then I really doubt he can continue as he did in the past. Either way, he wont be banned. So I ask, when will his kills resume since (innocent until proven guilty) he is using only VALID GAME TACTICS???? Is my logic incorrect?
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Gunnanmon
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2010.04.30 16:24:00 -
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Originally by: Zeba
Originally by: Zex Maxwell Hotfix fixed the problem
Are you sure?
The biggest problem we have in Eve; far more devastating than its macroing victims.
If it wasn't fixed, I'm sure Elantra and Huhuhuhu would be here telling us it's not fixed. Signature locked for discussing moderation. Navigator
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Toulouse lePlot
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Posted - 2010.04.30 16:30:00 -
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Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2010.04.30 16:32:00 -
[2025]
Originally by: Gunnanmon
Originally by: Zeba
Originally by: Zex Maxwell Hotfix fixed the problem
Are you sure?
The biggest problem we have in Eve; far more devastating than its macroing victims.
If it wasn't fixed, I'm sure Elantra and Huhuhuhu would be here telling us it's not fixed.
Who said I was talking about the local exploit? There are still plenty of other unanswered questions about his kills that the no local hax doesn't explain like the miraculous string of kills that are all within minutes of each other but not really close enough together on the map to let a 3au bs get to each and every one in time. So why doesn't someone try to replicate that stunning feat of astrogation and see if it truely is possible.
Originally by: CCP Zymurgist Get off the forums and go kill someone!
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Lady Spank
Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta
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Posted - 2010.04.30 16:41:00 -
[2026]
Originally by: Shiangti
Originally by: Lady Spank The degree of stupidity is at dangerous levels in this thread. I know you like to argue a point to the death (of your forum alt) but really, this is bigger fail than your ninja crusade. Really bad trolling m8
27th April 2010 9DQW-W : Fountain Weekly Kills: 43
In a week where he's apparently done nothing, he kills 40+ ships. That's definitely some pro hax. Oh but these aren't ratters so this proves everything, dayum.
I like how everyone expects a performance from the 'dancing monkey'. Funny to see so many people still whining.
Thread continues to deliver.
Who is the troll here? look up. I believe all macro users should be banned.
Here is Monkey's stats from Pandemic's Killboard as of now: PL Killboard
Monkey's last kill was the raven in wh space. In the last week, he has had no more kills. I look forward to seeing him continue his multi-billion isk killing spree. I do not know if he was exploiting or not. If he was not, then I expect to start seeing more kills since he was using legitimate in game tactics. If he was and the exploit is now fixed, then I really doubt he can continue as he did in the past. Either way, he wont be banned. So I ask, when will his kills resume since (innocent until proven guilty) he is using only VALID GAME TACTICS???? Is my logic incorrect?
Well you have most of that correct, sadly there are plenty who are happy to use testimonials as fact.
You seem to have ignored the fact (as monkey himself linked) that he HAS had more kills since then, as I indicated in the post you quoted.
Granted it will be interesting to see if his ratting raven kills continue. Until then everyone is using speculation as fact. That's the key 'NO U' problem with this entire thread. ~_~ (Retired from ship toasting. Now a professional.)
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Pr1ncess Alia
Caldari Perkone
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Posted - 2010.04.30 17:05:00 -
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Originally by: Zeba Who said I was talking about the local exploit? There are still plenty of other unanswered questions about his kills that the no local hax doesn't explain like the miraculous string of kills that are all within minutes of each other but not really close enough together on the map to let a 3au bs get to each and every one in time. So why doesn't someone try to replicate that stunning feat of astrogation and see if it truely is possible.
Well obviously, he must also be able to teleport.
I mean, I'm sure there are other rational explanations, but let's just go for the gold on this one and say he's teleporting.
Here that everybody? All of PL is teleporting exploiters.
If you don't believe me, go have a russian hack the client as proof.
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Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2010.04.30 17:54:00 -
[2028]
Edited by: Zeba on 30/04/2010 17:54:29
Originally by: Pr1ncess Alia
Originally by: Zeba Who said I was talking about the local exploit? There are still plenty of other unanswered questions about his kills that the no local hax doesn't explain like the miraculous string of kills that are all within minutes of each other but not really close enough together on the map to let a 3au bs get to each and every one in time. So why doesn't someone try to replicate that stunning feat of astrogation and see if it truely is possible.
Well obviously, he must also be able to teleport.
I mean, I'm sure there are other rational explanations, but let's just go for the gold on this one and say he's teleporting.
Here that everybody? All of PL is teleporting exploiters.
If you don't believe me, go have a russian hack the client as proof.
Sounds like a plan actually. Though what I personally was talking about was someone setting up pilots in each of the systems in the same ships as were in the killmail and having the same group of ships go from one target to the next and timing how long it took to find each target, kill it and move on to the next. Then we will have a base set of stats to use to compare to the actual timings of the kills.
See kids. This is how the QA process in eve really works.
Originally by: CCP Zymurgist Get off the forums and go kill someone!
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Lady Karma
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Posted - 2010.04.30 17:56:00 -
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Confirming that since the hotfix, it is now completely impossible for PL to farm deadspace fit farmers
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MatrixSkye Mk2
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.04.30 18:22:00 -
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Originally by: Lady Karma Confirming that since the hotfix, it is now completely impossible for PL to farm deadspace fit farmers
Confirming that Monkeyman and his alts (the ones singled out for cheating), STILL have no kills since 4/23.
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hattifnatt
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.04.30 18:31:00 -
[2031]
Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2
Originally by: Lady Karma Confirming that since the hotfix, it is now completely impossible for PL to farm deadspace fit farmers
Confirming that Monkeyman and his alts (the ones singled out for cheating), STILL have no kills since 4/23.
Confirming you are wrong.
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romek mablung
Caldari OWS Research and Development
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Posted - 2010.04.30 20:12:00 -
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Pathetic...so,dpsing in some local massroaming is how supposed to prove,Monkey still has his magic intact?Oh noes..i looked those killed ships!Oh noes those macro farming Hurricanes and Manticores....oh noes!Oh those poor macro farming russians...seems Monkey is SOOO sucessfull on his crusade,now they macrofarm soon in IBISES!Oh noes-no more juicy T3 cruiser kills for Monkeysquad,no more Golem and CNR kills.Dude..you just extinct all worth macrobots!Dude..you ruined your own income by your uberskillz!
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Shiangti
Caldari Revelation Exploration Inc. Without Remorse.
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Posted - 2010.04.30 21:19:00 -
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Originally by: hattifnatt
Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2
Originally by: Lady Karma Confirming that since the hotfix, it is now completely impossible for PL to farm deadspace fit farmers
Confirming that Monkeyman and his alts (the ones singled out for cheating), STILL have no kills since 4/23.
Confirming you are wrong.
I guess you failed to notice the 30 other people on that single kill?? We are waiting for his ubber-l447 tactics to resume. Using that many guys to kill a lone hurricane rocks! Now, Hypthetically speaking, it could take that many people (and HICs) to perform a log on trap to catch a macroer in a system with a large number of belts.
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Dianeces
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.04.30 21:21:00 -
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Originally by: romek mablung Pathetic...so,dpsing in some local massroaming is how supposed to prove,Monkey still has his magic intact?Oh noes..i looked those killed ships!Oh noes those macro farming Hurricanes and Manticores....oh noes!Oh those poor macro farming russians...seems Monkey is SOOO sucessfull on his crusade,now they macrofarm soon in IBISES!Oh noes-no more juicy T3 cruiser kills for Monkeysquad,no more Golem and CNR kills.Dude..you just extinct all worth macrobots!Dude..you ruined your own income by your uberskillz!
umad~
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Grath Telkin
Amarr Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.04.30 22:27:00 -
[2035]
Originally by: Shiangti We are waiting for his ubber-l447 tactics to resume.
The funny part is, you can't see the troll in whats going on.
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Kitimortoa
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Posted - 2010.04.30 22:28:00 -
[2036]
Originally by: Dianeces
umad~
uphail?
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Ephemeron
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2010.04.30 22:59:00 -
[2037]
It's amusing that CCP chose not to put any statement regarding this issue. I think they enjoy watching this forum drama. If they truly enjoy watching the noobs throw fits of helpless rage, then they may have that greifer spark in their hearts. And while they have that, this game will remain hardcore
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Dianeces
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.05.01 00:25:00 -
[2038]
Originally by: Kitimortoa
Originally by: Dianeces
umad~
uphail?
Nah, bro. Hail falls down~
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Jobby
Minmatar Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2010.05.01 01:07:00 -
[2039]
Originally by: Zeba Edited by: Zeba on 30/04/2010 17:54:29
Originally by: Pr1ncess Alia
Originally by: Zeba Who said I was talking about the local exploit? There are still plenty of other unanswered questions about his kills that the no local hax doesn't explain like the miraculous string of kills that are all within minutes of each other but not really close enough together on the map to let a 3au bs get to each and every one in time. So why doesn't someone try to replicate that stunning feat of astrogation and see if it truely is possible.
Well obviously, he must also be able to teleport.
I mean, I'm sure there are other rational explanations, but let's just go for the gold on this one and say he's teleporting.
Here that everybody? All of PL is teleporting exploiters.
If you don't believe me, go have a russian hack the client as proof.
Sounds like a plan actually. Though what I personally was talking about was someone setting up pilots in each of the systems in the same ships as were in the killmail and having the same group of ships go from one target to the next and timing how long it took to find each target, kill it and move on to the next. Then we will have a base set of stats to use to compare to the actual timings of the kills.
See kids. This is how the QA process in eve really works.
Where do we sign up for this job?
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Lady Karma
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Posted - 2010.05.01 01:51:00 -
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Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2
Originally by: Lady Karma Confirming that since the hotfix, it is now completely impossible for PL to farm deadspace fit farmers
Confirming that Monkeyman and his alts (the ones singled out for cheating), STILL have no kills since 4/23.
I see, Onino, is using a different hack that has not been patched yet.
That is the obvious conclusion.
When you say no kills since 4/23 you clearly missed the 60 he has had on lolinternets, they clearly prove he is banned/exploiting
PS: QQ more
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Terrigal
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Posted - 2010.05.01 02:34:00 -
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Waits with a team of IT technical professionals for the outcome of this one. If PL can get away with cheating so can the rest of eve. No ban on perpertraitors and we roll.
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Nuts Nougat
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.05.01 03:12:00 -
[2042]
Originally by: Terrigal Waits with a team of IT technical professionals for the outcome of this one. If PL can get away with cheating so can the rest of eve. No ban on perpertraitors and we roll.
Here's how it's going to roll out from here on:
1. "Hey guys, PL exploited eve and noone got banned, let's exploit too since noone gets banned anyway" 2. Everyone starts exploiting. 3. gets banned. 4. "Huh? What just happened?" ---
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TitansRus
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Posted - 2010.05.01 03:18:00 -
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Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2010.05.01 03:53:00 -
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Every time I think this thread is dead it rises phoenix like anew.
Originally by: CCP Zymurgist Get off the forums and go kill someone!
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Terrigal
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Posted - 2010.05.01 03:56:00 -
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Ah I see whats happened!!! And the newspaper headlines will read like this: Pandemic Legion single handedly destroys EVE. Some members of Pandemic Legion undertook an exploit to circumvent game mechanics in order to cheat PVP kills by not visably showing up in local till its to late. CCP failed to ban any of the perpertraitors of this exploit, so the greater EVE community says FU CCP and undertakes similar cheats/exploits. CCP changes rules and bans all accounts using new exploits. ôQuoteö CCP has banned over 100,000 accounts so far and weÆre still investigating and predict more bannings to come. Asked whether CCP shouldve handled it differently, CCP spokeperson commented CCP shouldve just banned Pandemic Legion.
Now i get it
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Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2010.05.01 03:59:00 -
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Originally by: Terrigal Ah I see whats happened!!! And the newspaper headlines will read like this: Pandemic Legion single handedly destroys EVE. Some members of Pandemic Legion undertook an exploit to circumvent game mechanics in order to cheat PVP kills by not visably showing up in local till its to late. CCP failed to ban any of the perpertraitors of this exploit, so the greater EVE community says FU CCP and undertakes similar cheats/exploits. CCP changes rules and bans all accounts using new exploits. ôQuoteö CCP has banned over 100,000 accounts so far and weÆre still investigating and predict more bannings to come. Asked whether CCP shouldve handled it differently, CCP spokeperson commented CCP shouldve just banned Pandemic Legion.
Now i get it
There is no way in hell even a tiny fraction of 100,000 eve players would know how to use an exploit let along fit a proper pvp ship to take advantage of said exploit..
Originally by: CCP Zymurgist Get off the forums and go kill someone!
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Terrigal
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Posted - 2010.05.01 04:07:00 -
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I doubt all 6 pilots who have been mentioned undertaking this exploit didnt know how also, till they were told what to do.
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Pr1ncess Alia
Caldari Perkone
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Posted - 2010.05.01 04:20:00 -
[2048]
Originally by: Terrigal I doubt all 6 pilots who have been mentioned undertaking this exploit didnt know how also, till they were told what to do.
Actually, PL started a 'cell based' structure of teaching people the exploit.
Now these cells are operating and teaching/spawning other cells independently.
PL forcasts mid-November all characters in eve will have been trained with the SAEP (sphere automated exploitation program). "A game that is significantly nonlinear is sometimes described as being open-ended or a sandbox, and is characterized by there being no "right way" of playing the game." |
Tozmeister
Digital Fury Corporation Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.05.01 09:57:00 -
[2049]
Originally by: Lady Karma
I see, Onino, is using a different hack that has not been patched yet.
That is the obvious conclusion.
Perhaps Onino would like to comment on the NoDock/NoKick loophole exploit involving Brainstem?
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MatrixSkye Mk2
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.05.01 12:36:00 -
[2050]
Edited by: MatrixSkye Mk2 on 01/05/2010 12:37:14
Originally by: Lady Karma I see, Onino, is using a different hack that has not been patched yet.
That is the obvious conclusion.
When you say no kills since 4/23 you clearly missed the 60 he has had on lolinternets, they clearly prove he is banned/exploiting
PS: QQ more
No, it proves he's not doing the 20+ kills/day he was doing before the exploit was fixed.
Tell me, Lady Karma, are you:
1) Purposefully misinforming and derailing from the issues? Or
2) Are really that lacking in brain power?
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Lady Karma
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Posted - 2010.05.01 12:51:00 -
[2051]
Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2
Tell me, Lady Karma, are you:
1) Purposefully misinforming and derailing from the issues? Or
2) Are really that lacking in brain power?
3) Causing me to cry
All of the above
are you are really that, is a sentence structure I lack the brain power to understand.
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Bimjo
Caldari SKULLDOGS
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Posted - 2010.05.01 14:13:00 -
[2052]
Originally by: hattifnatt
Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2
Originally by: Lady Karma Confirming that since the hotfix, it is now completely impossible for PL to farm deadspace fit farmers
Confirming that Monkeyman and his alts (the ones singled out for cheating), STILL have no kills since 4/23.
Confirming you are wrong.
hattifnat I don't know if there was cheating or not,and will leave it to CCP, what I find amazing are posts like yours which makes a laughing stock out of people who are supporting PL, stop it, or at least post constructively.
The question was how many oranges do I have ? you replied "squiggle cabbage pirate" ,your post bears no relation to the accusation by the monkey haters
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Gunnanmon
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2010.05.01 15:20:00 -
[2053]
Originally by: Lady Karma
Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2
Tell me, Lady Karma, are you:
1) Purposefully misinforming and derailing from the issues? Or
2) Are really that lacking in brain power?
3) Causing me to cry
All of the above
are you are really that, is a sentence structure I lack the brain power to understand.
pwnt Signature locked for discussing moderation. Navigator
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Jowen Datloran
Caldari Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2010.05.01 16:18:00 -
[2054]
Edited by: Jowen Datloran on 01/05/2010 16:18:46
Originally by: Gunnanmon
Originally by: Lady Karma
Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2
Tell me, Lady Karma, are you:
1) Purposefully misinforming and derailing from the issues? Or
2) Are really that lacking in brain power?
3) Causing me to cry
All of the above
are you are really that, is a sentence structure I lack the brain power to understand.
pwnt
Is there still space around the illiteracy impaired table? I can see it is getting a bit crowded over there.
---------------- Mr. Science & Trade Institute - EVE Online Lorebook
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Galgacus
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Posted - 2010.05.01 16:32:00 -
[2055]
Originally by: Jowen Datloran Edited by: Jowen Datloran on 01/05/2010 16:18:46
Originally by: Gunnanmon
Originally by: Lady Karma
Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2
Tell me, Lady Karma, are you:
1) Purposefully misinforming and derailing from the issues? Or
2) Are really that lacking in brain power?
3) Causing me to cry
All of the above
are you are really that, is a sentence structure I lack the brain power to understand.
pwnt
Is there still space around the illiteracy impaired table? I can see it is getting a bit crowded over there.
When in Rome...
BTW - Isn't "illiteracy impaired" a double negative?
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Grath Telkin
Amarr Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.05.01 18:03:00 -
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Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2 No, it proves he's not doing the 20+ kills/day he was doing before the exploit was fixed.
Tell me, Lady Karma, are you:
1) Purposefully misinforming and derailing from the issues? Or
2) Are really that lacking in brain power?
He's actually averaging more than 20+ kills a day, and its because Fountain only respawns once every 2 years, and your an idiot if you miss it.
But hey, he should definitely perform like a dancing bear for some mouthbreather who biomassed his first character in game because he got trolled too hard.
I know I would.
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MatrixSkye Mk2
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.05.01 18:52:00 -
[2057]
Originally by: Grath Telkin
Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2 No, it proves he's not doing the 20+ kills/day he was doing before the exploit was fixed.
Tell me, Lady Karma, are you:
1) Purposefully misinforming and derailing from the issues? Or
2) Are really that lacking in brain power?
He's actually averaging more than 20+ kills a day, and its because Fountain only respawns once every 2 years, and your an idiot if you miss it.
But hey, he should definitely perform like a dancing bear for some mouthbreather who biomassed his first character in game because he got trolled too hard.
I know I would.
Let me get this straight. You think I biomassed Mk 1 because he got trolled too hard? And then decided to create another character with the same name because that would cover his tracks? . Is that what this whole "I know who you were, Matrix" **** was all about? .
You guys are really sharp. No, really. You are .
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Kaijusan
Gallente Austro-Hungarian Empire Elysium Alliance
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Posted - 2010.05.01 19:00:00 -
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Its hysterical that people feel the need to cheat in a pixelated Internet GAME and that other people get all in a butt-rage about it to the point that make rl threats over it.
Since the vast majority of PL and the people screaming about their supposed cheat are grossly obese basement dwellers who's last shot of a vagina was when they were born, I would think you all had something better to do.
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Jobby
Minmatar Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2010.05.01 19:27:00 -
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Originally by: Kaijusan Its hysterical that people feel the need to cheat in a pixelated Internet GAME and that other people get all in a butt-rage about it to the point that make rl threats over it.
If this so-called pixelated Internet GAME puts food in your mouth, cheating's not that bad an idea.
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Siigari Kitawa
Gallente The 8th Order
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Posted - 2010.05.01 22:37:00 -
[2060]
Originally by: Jobby
Originally by: Kaijusan Its hysterical that people feel the need to cheat in a pixelated Internet GAME and that other people get all in a butt-rage about it to the point that make rl threats over it.
If this so-called pixelated Internet GAME puts food in your mouth, cheating's not that bad an idea.
Care to elaborate?
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar Vahrokh Consulting
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Posted - 2010.05.01 23:31:00 -
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Quote:
Care to elaborate?
3 letters, starts with "R". - Auditing & consulting
When looking for investors, please read http://tinyurl.com/n5ys4h + http://tinyurl.com/lrg4oz
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Lady Karma
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Posted - 2010.05.02 00:02:00 -
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Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2 Let me get this straight. You think I biomassed Mk 1 because he got trolled too hard? And then decided to create another character with the same name because that would cover his tracks? . Is that what this whole "I know what you did last summer" crap was all about? .
You guys are really sharp. No, really. You are .
The only thing "Pandemic" about your "Legion" is the rampant ******ation that abounds within you lot.
Since the exploit thing is closed now, would you like to go into more detail as to why you biomassed your char. I'll be right here handing you tissues. Those EVE bullies can be really mean sometimes.
I'm going to give you special lessons with words FOR FREE, as you don't seem to be very good with them, we can start with C is for crybaby.
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MatrixSkye Mk2
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.05.02 02:01:00 -
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Edited by: MatrixSkye Mk2 on 02/05/2010 02:02:31
Originally by: Lady Karma All of the above
are you are really that, is a sentence structure I lack the brain power to understand.
Do you have brain power to process this sentence?
Originally by: Lady Karma Yes, that sounds like a colossal waste of time.
Go right ahead, I'm on the phone to the care police right now.
"I'm on the phone to the care police". Looks like you and I lack from the same deficiency, son.
Edit: From this thread HERE.
Oh, and PWNT I guess?
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Lady Karma
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Posted - 2010.05.02 02:10:00 -
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Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2 "I'm on the phone to the care police". Looks like you and I lack from the same deficiency, son.
Edit: From this thread HERE.
Oh, and PWNT I guess?
PWNT?? is that word in your head.
Ok, it would appear you still haven't grasped the concept of the English language. I was offering you free lessons and tissues. I can't believe you of all people, have never heard of the care police, I thought you would have them on speed dial.
So...please to be explaining why you bimomassed character teary cry cry.
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MatrixSkye Mk2
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.05.02 02:27:00 -
[2065]
Originally by: Lady Karma
Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2 "I'm on the phone to the care police". Looks like you and I lack from the same deficiency, son.
Edit: From this thread HERE.
Oh, and PWNT I guess?
PWNT?? is that word in your head.
Ok, it would appear you still haven't grasped the concept of the English language. I was offering you free lessons and tissues. I can't believe you of all people, have never heard of the care police, I thought you would have them on speed dial.
So...please to be explaining why you bimomassed character teary cry cry.
Actually, I got it from your PL buddy, Gunnanmon, from here. So is it in both our heads? I'm worried now :(.
And since you insist in knowing the story of Mk1 vs Mk2 I'll tell ya :). It's quite boring actually, but since you seem to be lacking ammo in attacking me I'll be kind enough to give ya some :P
I never intended to have Matrix stick around for long. He was supposed to be a temporary project to troll forum trolls, such as yourself. So after a few months I deleted him. But then I realized that trolling people like you was really too much fun to pass up and decided to bring him back from the biomass :)
Aren't you glad I did?
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Lady Karma
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Posted - 2010.05.02 02:38:00 -
[2066]
Edited by: Lady Karma on 02/05/2010 02:42:01
Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2
I never intended to have Matrix stick around for long. He was supposed to be a temporary project to troll forum trolls, such as yourself. So after a few months I deleted him. But then I realized that trolling people like you was really too much fun to pass up and decided to bring him back from the biomass :)
Aren't you glad I did?
Have you heard of http://www.eve-search.com/ Heres a nano whine from you here's a probing whine from you Here's a looting whine from you
You were a crybaby, Mk 2 is still a crybaby.
How is the whole ban PL exploiters thing going for you?
Please link me the thread where you were doing the trolling and not being made to look like a foaming mouthed village idiot.
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Pr1ncess Alia
Caldari Perkone
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Posted - 2010.05.02 02:48:00 -
[2067]
Originally by: Lady Karma
Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2
I never intended to have Matrix stick around for long. He was supposed to be a temporary project to troll forum trolls, such as yourself. So after a few months I deleted him. But then I realized that trolling people like you was really too much fun to pass up and decided to bring him back from the biomass :)
Aren't you glad I did?
Have you heard of http://www.eve-search.com/ Heres a nano whine from you here's a probing whine from you Here's a looting whine from you
You were a crybaby, Mk 2 is still a crybaby.
How is the whole ban PL exploiters thing going for you?
It gets worse.
Seriously MATRIX SKY (lol right?), you may want to consider scrapping this char too.
And next time stay away from the forums. Your absolutely terrible at this.
If I was a better person, I'd actually feel somewhat sorry for you. ~shrug~ "A game that is significantly nonlinear is sometimes described as being open-ended or a sandbox, and is characterized by there being no "right way" of playing the game." |
SetrakDark
DarkCorp Holdings
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Posted - 2010.05.02 02:55:00 -
[2068]
HE WUZ JUST TROLLIN U STOOPIDS
LOLOLOLOLOL
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Lady Karma
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Posted - 2010.05.02 03:00:00 -
[2069]
Originally by: Pr1ncess Alia
Seriously MATRIX SKY (lol right?), you may want to consider scrapping this char too.
And next time stay away from the forums. Your absolutely terrible at this.
If I was a better person, I'd actually feel somewhat sorry for you. ~shrug~
But he's just trolling, it's all good, right? right guys?
I'd make myself out to be a complete ******, rage quit and biomass my char in the name of trolling any day.
Didn't want that account anyway.
PS. I don't feel sorry for him, I'm evil
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MatrixSkye Mk2
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.05.02 04:14:00 -
[2070]
Edited by: MatrixSkye Mk2 on 02/05/2010 04:25:40
Wow, that little story about Mk1 gave you... ammo, eh? :p I throw you leftover scraps and you run with it and eat it like it's steak . I honestly feel very flattered.
Thank you. I really mean that
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Hulkageddon
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Posted - 2010.05.02 04:46:00 -
[2071]
Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2 Edited by: MatrixSkye Mk2 on 02/05/2010 04:25:40
Wow, that little story about Mk1 gave you... ammo, eh? :p I throw you leftover scraps and you run with it and eat it like it's steak . I honestly feel very flattered.
Thank you. I really mean that
You, sir, are an idiot.
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MatrixSkye Mk2
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.05.02 05:42:00 -
[2072]
Edited by: MatrixSkye Mk2 on 02/05/2010 05:42:40
Originally by: Hulkageddon You, sir, are an idiot.
And you, sir, speak as if you're still in the Victorian Age .
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Mr Epeen
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Posted - 2010.05.02 05:58:00 -
[2073]
Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2 Edited by: MatrixSkye Mk2 on 02/05/2010 05:49:07
Originally by: Hulkageddon You, sir, are an idiot.
And you, sir, speak as if you're still stuck in the Victorian Age.
I don't know why, MatrixSkye, but I like you.
While I don't always agree with what you are saying, you have a quick wit and a general good sense of humor.
If you weren't so damn ugly that I'd be embarrassed to be seen with you, I'd invite you out for a beer. Alas we are who we are and it will never come to be. But the thought is there, anyway.
Mr Epeen
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Huhuhuhuhuhuh
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Posted - 2010.05.02 06:24:00 -
[2074]
Braaains, I want Braaains !
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Scott Ryder
Amarr Sisters of Korhal Terran Commonwealth
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Posted - 2010.05.02 10:43:00 -
[2075]
Originally by: Huhuhuhuhuhuh Braaains, I want Braaains !
You will find no brains here, this is the eve forums! GO AWAY
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MatrixSkye Mk2
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.05.02 10:43:00 -
[2076]
Originally by: Mr Epeen I don't know why, MatrixSkye, but I like you.
While I don't always agree with what you are saying, you have a quick wit and a general good sense of humor.
If you weren't so damn ugly that I'd be embarrassed to be seen with you, I'd invite you out for a beer. Alas we are who we are and it will never come to be. But the thought is there, anyway.
Mr Epeen
Thanks . I did choose his looks for greater psychological effect :P.
Grief a PVP'er. Run a mission today! |
Grath Telkin
Amarr Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.05.02 17:00:00 -
[2077]
Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2
Originally by: Mr Epeen I don't know why, MatrixSkye, but I like you.
While I don't always agree with what you are saying, you have a quick wit and a general good sense of humor.
If you weren't so damn ugly that I'd be embarrassed to be seen with you, I'd invite you out for a beer. Alas we are who we are and it will never come to be. But the thought is there, anyway.
Mr Epeen
Thanks . I did choose his looks for greater psychological effect :P.
Jesus christ your bad at this
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MatrixSkye Mk2
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.05.02 21:13:00 -
[2078]
Originally by: Grath Telkin Jesus christ your bad at this
NO U! No, seriously, U!! Now if I can get you to realize this is how terrible PL trolls as well then I'll have done my job here :). I wonder what the chances of that are, though .
Grief a PVP'er. Run a mission today! |
BloodHound MMIII
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Posted - 2010.05.03 10:33:00 -
[2079]
"A hotfix has been deployed today which has fixed an issue which allowed some players to remain invisible in local when they entered a new system. We would encourage players to submit a bug report if they notice anything unusual in the coming days."
Is that it CCP? Is that the only response you're going to give over this?
Poor show indeed.
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Serpents smile
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Posted - 2010.05.03 10:36:00 -
[2080]
Can we just let this thread die now?
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Akita T
Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2010.05.03 10:37:00 -
[2081]
Originally by: BloodHound MMIII "A hotfix has been deployed" Is that it CCP? Is that the only response you're going to give over this?
What else did you expect ? A public apology that this was possible, and the names of all people caught doing it ? Seriously ? It was made public, they looked into it, they managed to reproduced the issue, and finally they managed to plug it in a relatively short amount of time, and announced they did it. That's all they needed to do.
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Beginner's ISK making guide | Manufacturer's helper | All about reacting _
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BloodHound MMIII
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Posted - 2010.05.03 10:39:00 -
[2082]
Originally by: Akita T
What else did you expect ? A public apology that this was possible, and the names of all people caught doing it ? Seriously ? It was made public, they looked into it, they managed to reproduced the issue, and finally they managed to plug it in a relatively short amount of time, and announced they did it. That's all they needed to do.
name em and shame em
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Akita T
Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2010.05.03 10:43:00 -
[2083]
Originally by: BloodHound MMIII name em and shame em
It is against CCP policy to name any characters that deserve to be "named and shamed". They won't break that policy just for this. And they have good reasons to have the policy in place.
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Beginner's ISK making guide | Manufacturer's helper | All about reacting _
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Zeke Mobius
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Posted - 2010.05.03 13:16:00 -
[2084]
Im letdown by ccp yet again...
Next its PI...fail
Cannot wait for other stuff to come out of development... bet their sound will work
no i keep my stuff
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Dograzor
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Posted - 2010.05.03 13:55:00 -
[2085]
After reading all 69 pages, I still have a question to ask to determine if I find (so said) PL's actions morally objectionally or not.
About 90ish percent of the posted reported kills in threads on this or the .ru forums are made by botters/macro'ers, who claim he has used some sort of exploit to not appear in local. I do not have any problems with people hunting botters, +1 & my respect for that. Altough I don't think the means justify the ends, but what the heck, botters aren't the way the game was supposed to be played anyways.
Now my question, are there any reports of him using the disputed method on actual behind keyboard players/pvp'ers? And enough reports to have any significance?
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War Kitten
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Posted - 2010.05.03 14:24:00 -
[2086]
Originally by: Dograzor After reading all 69 pages, I still have a question to ask to determine if I find (so said) PL's actions morally objectionally or not.
...
Now my question, are there any reports of him using the disputed method on actual behind keyboard players/pvp'ers? And enough reports to have any significance?
Wow, you read all 69 pages and missed the part where the !OP! reported him using the disputed method on a behind-the-keyboard player?
TrrrrrrooOLLLIN!
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2010.05.03 14:41:00 -
[2087]
Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2
Originally by: Lady Karma
Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2 "I'm on the phone to the care police". Looks like you and I lack from the same deficiency, son.
Edit: From this thread HERE.
Oh, and PWNT I guess?
PWNT?? is that word in your head.
Ok, it would appear you still haven't grasped the concept of the English language. I was offering you free lessons and tissues. I can't believe you of all people, have never heard of the care police, I thought you would have them on speed dial.
So...please to be explaining why you bimomassed character teary cry cry.
Actually, I got it from your PL buddy, Gunnanmon, from here. So is it in both our heads? I'm worried now :(.
And since you insist in knowing the story of Mk1 vs Mk2 I'll tell ya :). It's quite boring actually, but since you seem to be lacking ammo in attacking me I'll be kind enough to give ya some :P
I never intended to have Matrix stick around for long. He was supposed to be a temporary project to troll forum trolls, such as yourself. So after a few months I deleted him. But then I realized that trolling people like you was really too much fun to pass up and decided to bring him back from the biomass :)
Aren't you glad I did?
When you gaze in to the Abyss, the Abyss also gazes in to you.
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MatrixSkye Mk2
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.05.03 15:00:00 -
[2088]
Originally by: Malcanis When you gaze in to the Abyss, the Abyss also gazes in to you.
I loved that movie :).
Grief a PVP'er. Run a mission today! |
Soma Khan
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Posted - 2010.05.03 15:06:00 -
[2089]
Originally by: Dograzor After reading all 69 pages, I still have a question to ask to determine if I find (so said) PL's actions morally objectionally or not.
About 90ish percent of the posted reported kills in threads on this or the .ru forums are made by botters/macro'ers
Got any proof?
Originally by: Dograzor I do not have any problems with people hunting botters, +1 & my respect for that. Altough I don't think the means justify the ends, but what the heck, botters aren't the way the game was supposed to be played anyways.
So, you'd cheat/exploit/hack the game provided you agree with the 'ends'. Your main is in PL, c/d?
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Shiangti
Caldari Revelation Exploration Inc. Without Remorse.
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Posted - 2010.05.03 15:25:00 -
[2090]
Originally by: Dograzor After reading all 69 pages, I still have a question to ask to determine if I find (so said) PL's actions morally objectionally or not.
About 90ish percent of the posted reported kills in threads on this or the .ru forums are made by botters/macro'ers, who claim he has used some sort of exploit to not appear in local. I do not have any problems with people hunting botters, +1 & my respect for that. Altough I don't think the means justify the ends, but what the heck, botters aren't the way the game was supposed to be played anyways.
Now my question, are there any reports of him using the disputed method on actual behind keyboard players/pvp'ers? And enough reports to have any significance?
If you read all 69 pages you would know that yes, not only botters were attacked. He messed up when he got greedy and real players at the keyboard were attacked which was why it was petitioned and brought to the general discussion forum. He would probably gotten away with another two years if he didn't do that (if he actually has been doing if for that long). Please remember that there was and has been NO PROOF that he used the exploit, BUT, I find it highly suspicious that he has had no more kills on any of his characters except for the fleet battle that he participated in using lol internets. As such, that still constitutes no proof, it just does look very much like he did.
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Abrazzar
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Posted - 2010.05.03 15:30:00 -
[2091]
A mob doesn't need proof, a mob only needs numbers. --------
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Ranka Mei
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.05.03 16:05:00 -
[2092]
Originally by: Malcanis PWNT?? is that word in your head.
Dreamt, dreamed, pwnt, pwnd, hgaf?!
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My Postman
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Posted - 2010.05.04 12:29:00 -
[2093]
This thread delivers....
Not only that half of this 69 pages where derailed/trolled by the PL guys, we now hear about biomassed MK1¦s and so on, and so on.
What makes me sad is that obviously no action/banhammering from CCP¦s side to monkeydude or the other cheating guys from PL (if cheating/exploiting/haxing) was taken. On one of the first sites even CEO karttoon admitted to know about this "exploit" maybe even for years. I can¦t frind this post anymore, but i ralize that this thread was "photoshopped", several posts missing (and even that was brought up before).
Sad to see that EULA-Violation might be a bad thing where you can get banhammered, but others might get away with "don¦t you ever do that again". Is it some kind of a coinflip? Is monkeydude a hidden GM? Is karttoon a DEV?
I figured out the only loser in this campaign, and it¦s you CCP.
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Gunnanmon
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2010.05.04 13:27:00 -
[2094]
Originally by: My Postman I figured out the only loser in this campaign, and it¦s you CCP.
Signature locked for discussing moderation. Navigator
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romek mablung
Caldari OWS Research and Development
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Posted - 2010.05.04 14:05:00 -
[2095]
There is no spoon! Parrots! |
joefishy
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.05.04 22:36:00 -
[2096]
https://www.pandemic-legion.com/sphere/ :)
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Dadack Dycsel
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Posted - 2010.05.05 00:13:00 -
[2097]
I'm sure that the Pilots who used this exploit for years have been banned and all accounts removed by ccp since that is clearly stated in eula for such actions......and too insinuate that PL as an alliance would have too cheat etc... too get a kill is absurd. every alliance has a few losers in it who will cheat too compensate for incompetency and this is merely another example of such.
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Flinx Evenstar
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.05.05 00:41:00 -
[2098]
Edited by: Flinx Evenstar on 05/05/2010 00:43:12
Originally by: Dadack Dycsel I'm sure that the Pilots who used this exploit for years have been banned
The exploit that was patched was only created a couple of weeks ago.
There may be other exploits out there currently being used by individuals that are able to reverse engineer the EVE client in a matter of hours. I'm not going to point any fingers, but considering it took about a year for us just to overhaul our killboard, it's not us.
tl/dr no one got banned for an exploit that was manufactured to deflect blame from stupidity.
--- Witness epic fleet battles in Dominion
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Metal Dude
Destructive Influence IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.05.05 15:34:00 -
[2099]
Edited by: Metal Dude on 05/05/2010 15:35:10
So where is CSM in all of this? I mean, were they not crated to make sure that there is no GM misconduct after the T20 incident? Have they investigated that no GMs were involved in this, since no one got banned for it even though evidence point to certain individuals that they were exploiting? If no one was banned, then CCP needs to explain why not. They do not discuss bans, but they need to discuss non-bans or CSM needs to explain that they looked in to it and there is no reason for anyone to get banned. Otherwise this will never go away, like the T20 load of crap that still hangs over our heads, because CCP protects their own at expense of the player base.
The truth will set you free
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Blane Xero
Amarr The Firestorm Cartel
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Posted - 2010.05.05 15:37:00 -
[2100]
Originally by: Metal Dude Edited by: Metal Dude on 05/05/2010 15:35:10
So where is CSM in all of this? I mean, were they not crated to make sure that there is no GM misconduct after the T20 incident? Have they investigated that no GMs were involved in this, since no one got banned for it even though evidence point to certain individuals that they were exploiting? If no one was banned, then CCP needs to explain why not. They do not discuss bans, but they need to discuss non-bans or CSM needs to explain that they looked in to it and there is no reason for anyone to get banned. Otherwise this will never go away, like the T20 load of crap that still hangs over our heads, because CCP protects their own at expense of the player base.
You seem to have CSM and INternal Affairs mixed up. True, the CSM was created BECAUSE of the T20 events in order to help soften relations between players and devs again; Internal Affairs however do all the investigations. If you feel there is misconduct here, email them (email address is somewhere on the website, something like [email protected]) _____________________________________ Haruhiist since December 2008
Originally by: CCP Fallout :facepalm:
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Pr1ncess Alia
Caldari Perkone
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Posted - 2010.05.05 15:55:00 -
[2101]
Originally by: My Postman
This thread delivers....
Not only that half of this 69 pages where derailed/trolled by the PL guys, we now hear about biomassed MK1¦s and so on, and so on.
What makes me sad is that obviously no action/banhammering from CCP¦s side to monkeydude or the other cheating guys from PL (if cheating/exploiting/haxing) was taken. On one of the first sites even PL¦s CEO admitted to know about this "exploit" maybe even for years. I can¦t frind this post anymore, but i ralize that this thread was "photoshopped", several posts missing (and even that was brought up before).
Sad to see that EULA-Violation might be a bad thing where you can get banhammered, but others might get away with "don¦t you ever do that again". Is it some kind of a coinflip? Is monkeydude a hidden GM? Is karttoon a DEV?
I figured out the only loser in this campaign, and it¦s you CCP.
Don't
Ever
Stop
The people need you. "A game that is significantly nonlinear is sometimes described as being open-ended or a sandbox, and is characterized by there being no "right way" of playing the game." |
Mini Zedd
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Posted - 2010.05.05 23:13:00 -
[2102]
Soooooooooooo after 70 pages of he said she said and people trolling trolls and being trolled into being trolled.
What was the outcome? The monkey still trolling by not killing any botters and keeping the troll alive?, or was he actually exploiting and so hasn't been able to do what he was?
Just his kill stats have certainly taken a dip since the no local bug was brought to public knowledge
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UnderDog Lady
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Posted - 2010.05.07 16:26:00 -
[2103]
Edited by: UnderDog Lady on 07/05/2010 16:29:28
Originally by: Mini Zedd Soooooooooooo after 70 pages of he said she said and people trolling trolls and being trolled into being trolled.
What was the outcome? The monkey still trolling by not killing any botters and keeping the troll alive?, or was he actually exploiting and so hasn't been able to do what he was?
Just his kill stats have certainly taken a dip since the no local bug was brought to public knowledge
Here's the outcome: they patched something after a couple of people had their macros ruined and decided to figure out how it was done.
So until another ...method... enables people to take food off people's tables, we're back to the status quo. At which point so-called "unrelated parties" will find out how it's being done, and inform the authorities, all in the name of Eve, of course.
Oh and..
Originally by: Blane Xero If you feel there is misconduct here, email them (email address is somewhere on the website, something like [email protected])
Fixed that for you.
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Musical Fist
Gallente Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2010.05.09 00:42:00 -
[2104]
4 IT SC down by PL!!
HOW IS THIS POSSIBLE!! This is so not my main
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Lady Karma
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Posted - 2010.05.09 00:48:00 -
[2105]
Originally by: Musical Fist 4 IT SC down by PL!!
HOW IS THIS POSSIBLE!!
I hear they were not in local, then the caps were bubbled.
PL got greedy, they were farming IT pets but no one cared, now they have killed decent MS pilots, things need to be done about these exploiters.
IT have said, "we had 40 caps in system, local was blue, then suddenly hics were on us within seconds of them appearing in local"
CCP needs to investigate this further.
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Musical Fist
Gallente Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2010.05.09 00:51:00 -
[2106]
Originally by: Lady Karma
Originally by: Musical Fist 4 IT SC down by PL!!
HOW IS THIS POSSIBLE!!
I hear they were not in local, then the caps were bubbled.
PL got greedy, they were farming IT pets but no one cared, now they have killed decent MS pilots, things need to be done about these exploiters.
IT have said, "we had 40 caps in system, local was blue, then suddenly hics were on us within seconds of them appearing in local"
CCP needs to investigate this further.
Monkeysphere was in fleet and rumored to be sober This is so not my main
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Soma Khan
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Posted - 2010.05.09 03:02:00 -
[2107]
Edited by: Soma Khan on 09/05/2010 03:07:06
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Lee Dalton
RUSSIAN PRIDE POWER HONOUR JUSTICE Perihelion Alliance
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Posted - 2010.05.12 00:46:00 -
[2108]
I didn't bother to read the thread, but it sounds like the OP is p upset and confused. *** I AM A RUS HON SUPERSTAR |
Angel O'Sphere
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Posted - 2010.05.15 16:59:00 -
[2109]
Well,
very interesting thread!
To come to the point: I don't understand why this thread that got started on 19th of April ha not lead to reactions by CCP.
First off all I like to point out, I'm not reading the thread by accident. The exploit is real. After meeting several exploiters the last days I googled for it and found this threat.
Second: to explain how my corp figured there must be an exploit I describe 3 situations we had last days.
Situation 1: Some guys is harassing our miners in one system regularly. Corp mates reported him to be able to instantly jump someone who is mining in a hidden belt. However we ignored this statement as we assumed the miner was careless or we assumed the hunter had scanned the belt the day before. However that happened so often that some of our corp mates got curious and started to wait for him in heavy tanked BSes and then it got really interesting. Jumping to the rescue of such a BS caused the guy to log off. One of us waited at his estimated log off position in a cloaked Rapier to build a log on trap. Now to our surprise he was suddenly in front of the tackler, and some shouted: he logged on! (on TS as some had him in the address book) BUT HE WAS NOT IN LOCAL. HE WAS ALREADY TACKLED AND WAS NOT IN LOCAL!! He managed to escape the tackle and logged off again ... and 30 mins later the same thing happened!
Situation 2: A small skirmish in my ratting system. My mates kill 1 intruder, the others try to warp around and avoid aggression. One is warping to a gate, as he knows it is bubbled he warps to a distance of like 100km, perhaps he had a spot there and was even better positioned. Anyway: I try to lock him with my carrier ... which would have taken like 12 seconds. He logged off in front of my eyes and I saw him warping off into nothing. I and 2 further corp mates continued ratting in the system. Roughly 2 hours later that guy was reported in our INTEL channel 8 systems away. WITHOUT logging on/showing in our system!! I assumed that guy was using an "I can log on in any system I want exploit" and reported him. The petition got closed without answer more or less instantly.
Situation 3: One system I'm ratting in is pretty big. The 2 gates have a distance of roughly 54 AU. So a warp from gate to gate takes about 30 seconds. So, if someone shows up in the system and leaves again after 5 to 10 seconds the "logical" assumption is he jumped back to the system he came from (after seeing many of my corp in local e.g.) Another assumption could be: he was in a shuttle and warped super fast ... You can immagine if you have no eyes in the 2 neighboring systems, but got a report from 2 systems apart, example: ( B2 - B1 - S - A1 - A2), I'm ratting in S. Some one reports a hostile in B2 (so I know he is coming), we have no eyes in B1. The guy enters S. He leaves again after like 10 seconds or less. I assume he got scared by so many hostiles in system and re approached B1 gate and jumped back. That is what I report in TS and in INTEL. Surprise: a few seconds later I get corrected, because intel reports him in A1 or A2. Which is impossible as he could not have warped to that gate in that short timeframe. Solution: he was already 20 or 30 seconds in system and in warp before he finally showed up in local.
Situation 1: happend similar several times last week. The day before yesterday many corp mates witnessed that guy performing that exploit, Situation 2 happened just yesterday, Situation 3 happened quite often but I assumed it was a glitch, until yesterday: I started to google for eve exploits ... and found this thread ;D
Regards Angel O'Sphere
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Bibbleibble
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Posted - 2010.05.15 17:05:00 -
[2110]
Originally by: Angel O'Sphere /words/
Just be careful not to forget that there is a delay on joining local under normal circumstances anyway. It might not be the explanation for what you describe, but be careful about accusing people of exploiting without considering every other possibility.
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123GuessWho
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Posted - 2010.05.15 17:08:00 -
[2111]
So did they ban those cheaters?
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baltec1
Antares Shipyards Aeternus.
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Posted - 2010.05.15 17:11:00 -
[2112]
Originally by: 123GuessWho So did they ban those cheaters?
Problem fixed, no not banned, why did you have to breath life back into this
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Angel O'Sphere
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Posted - 2010.05.15 19:21:00 -
[2113]
Quote: Just be careful not to forget that there is a delay on joining local under normal circumstances anyway.
For me it is usually the opposite. If I camp a gate and some one enters my system, I see him in local before the gate flash ... roughly a second or 2 even.
No, From the cheaters I noticed I only reported one, and as I said the petition got closed without answer. That other guy described under "Situation 1" I did not report yet ...
Regards
Angel O'Sphere
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SIWETH
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Posted - 2010.05.15 23:07:00 -
[2114]
ccp squashed a bug that stopped people from showing up in local. case closed, ban the mofos.
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Elyseum
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Posted - 2010.06.01 04:46:00 -
[2115]
no kills since April 23rd
(let me guess, sabbatical)
how hard the PL windbags tried
cheating and bubble petitioning their way to success
always on the cutting edge lol
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Posted - 2010.07.10 14:14:00 -
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AHAHAHAHAA
he is back!!
good job CCP - exelent example
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