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Ohanka
Aggressive Narcissists SpaceMonkey's Alliance
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Posted - 2012.07.27 10:22:00 -
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Richard Desturned wrote:Ohanka wrote:Again, you are wrong, as usual. Don't you ever get tired of being wrong all the time? You're in SMA, you can't be suicide ganked in nullsec where your alliance owns space, silly.
I dunno, Awoxing as always seemed somewhat suicidal to me. |

Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1468
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Posted - 2012.07.27 10:23:00 -
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Jorma Morkkis wrote:Pipa Porto wrote:Last time we ran into this, you decided you'd gank the Scimi with two Rail Nados at 250km o.0 Nagas, Nagas. It's possible.
"it's possible so everyone does it"
this is what you believe
it is wrong, but you continuously convince yourself that it is true EVE Online: Trammel (or NGE) |

Pipa Porto
520
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Posted - 2012.07.27 10:23:00 -
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Jorma Morkkis wrote:Pipa Porto wrote:Last time we ran into this, you decided you'd gank the Scimi with two Rail Nados at 250km o.0 Nagas, Nagas. It's possible.
Whoops, there's a typo. Nados on the brain.
2 Rail Nagas at 250km cannot Suicide Gank any reasonably fit Scimitar. EvE: Everyone vs Everyone |

Manar Detri
26
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Posted - 2012.07.27 10:28:00 -
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Richard Desturned wrote:Manar Detri wrote:The tears are strong in this one. Nothings set in stone and you cry like a baby already. I don't care if the finer points aren't yet set in stone. Even if it isn't implemented, it's indicative of CCP trying to convince themselves that they are not "Trammelizing" the game because you "can still technically engage somebody in hisec but we want to discourage it as much as possible." Manar Detri wrote:That aside, it was plain stupid that you can gank a mining ship with a few catalysts, even if it was tanked to hell and back. It takes more than a few Catalysts to gank a mining ship in 0.7 space and above. In 0.8 and above, you will need alpha. Manar Detri wrote:You do know that the amoutn of tank you can fit in a mining ship is very little. https://dl.dropbox.com/u/16196592/Hulk%20-%20catalyst%20tanked.jpgManar Detri wrote:You are basicly crying that you no longer can kill something with just one ship, you actually need some more team effort in it. Funny right, team effort in an mmo, must come as a shocker. As opposed to miners being told "bring RR" and flat-out refusing to invest any more effort into their gameplay?
Risk goes up the higher sec system you go ganknig, isn't that what you're always spouting anywho?
Now make real fit that doesn't use implants not possible to get into the system (genolutions, really..) And do remember, make it omni tank, that nado will use any type of ammo, just thinking "it's just always a catalyst" doesn't cut it.
Also what the hell are you talking about rr for ? RR does **** if you face volley weapons. And really what the hells this about, you aren't whining about battleships having alot of ehp and being able to do what they're meant to do. If you're ganking something to an end, then you should be happier that it's atleast a bit harder and not just cake walk.
Now let's actually make the game better and take make it you can't jump to a cyno if within 15km of a station. Maybe then we'll be able to touch the invincible goon jf's that can't be caught, as they're actually uncatchable. |

Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy Caldari State
123
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Posted - 2012.07.27 10:28:00 -
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Pipa Porto wrote:2 Rail Nagas at 250km cannot Suicide Gank any reasonably fit Scimitar.
It's possible.
Typical Scimi has 14k EHP against kin/therm. |

Ohanka
Aggressive Narcissists SpaceMonkey's Alliance
172
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Posted - 2012.07.27 10:33:00 -
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Jorma Morkkis wrote:Pipa Porto wrote:2 Rail Nagas at 250km cannot Suicide Gank any reasonably fit Scimitar. It's possible. Typical Scimi has 14k EHP against kin/therm.
3 Rifters can destroy anything sub-capital in the game. |

Pipa Porto
523
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Posted - 2012.07.27 10:37:00 -
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Jorma Morkkis wrote:Pipa Porto wrote:2 Rail Nagas at 250km cannot Suicide Gank any reasonably fit Scimitar. It's possible. Typical Scimi has 14k EHP against kin/therm.
My old fleet fit Scimi for Logi 4 (terrible, I know) has 22k EHP vs Spike (24k OH)
My new standard Scimi for Logi 5 has 24k (25.7k).
A smart one for HS doesn't need ECCM and will do fine with an AB instead of an MWD, so you can have 33.5k (37.7k). EvE: Everyone vs Everyone |

Manar Detri
26
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Posted - 2012.07.27 10:38:00 -
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Actually to make this thing even clearer to you dear Richard Desturned. Every single argument you come up is garbage, you know why ? Because the alliance you are part of, goonswarm whined so long and hard that blapper titans got nerfed, just because you couldn't adapt to it.
You opened this can of whining worms, live with it. |

Mr M
Agony Unleashed
185
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Posted - 2012.07.27 10:39:00 -
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I didn't really bother to read this thread but I blame the ********** and their damned taxes.
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
1715
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Posted - 2012.07.27 10:40:00 -
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Richard Desturned wrote:DrSmegma wrote:Excuse me. Did I miss anything? Is that actually going to be implemented? Not to mention that the dudes shooting you can bring all the RR and ships they want, and you literally won't be able to RR yourself at all. Piracy will still be possible, but it will simply be a full-time job that nobody will bother with. Or they'll figure something out and CCP will nerf that. vOv
Are you sure it's going to be implemented right like that, with no change? Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Ohanka
Aggressive Narcissists SpaceMonkey's Alliance
172
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Posted - 2012.07.27 10:40:00 -
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Manar Detri wrote:Actually to make this thing even clearer to you dear Richard Desturned. Every single argument you come up is garbage, you know why ? Because the alliance you are part of, goonswarm whined so long and hard that blapper titans got nerfed, just because you couldn't adapt to it.
You opened this can of whining worms, live with it.
You're garbage. |

Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
1715
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Posted - 2012.07.27 10:41:00 -
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Jorma Morkkis wrote:Richard Desturned wrote:As opposed to miners being told "bring RR" and flat-out refusing to invest any more effort into their gameplay? Cap stable Scimi + Mack... Have to think about that...
Hi, my name is Alpha. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
Twitter channel |

Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1469
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Posted - 2012.07.27 10:43:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Jorma Morkkis wrote:Richard Desturned wrote:As opposed to miners being told "bring RR" and flat-out refusing to invest any more effort into their gameplay? Cap stable Scimi + Mack... Have to think about that... Hi, my name is Alpha.
i see your glass is half empty EVE Online: Trammel (or NGE) |

Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
1715
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Posted - 2012.07.27 10:45:00 -
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Richard Desturned wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Jorma Morkkis wrote:Richard Desturned wrote:As opposed to miners being told "bring RR" and flat-out refusing to invest any more effort into their gameplay? Cap stable Scimi + Mack... Have to think about that... Hi, my name is Alpha. i see your glass is half empty
... as are my Macks losses. Maybe because I don't outlive gankers like a fat sack of potatoes but I outplay them. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Pipa Porto
523
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Posted - 2012.07.27 10:47:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Jorma Morkkis wrote:Richard Desturned wrote:As opposed to miners being told "bring RR" and flat-out refusing to invest any more effort into their gameplay? Cap stable Scimi + Mack... Have to think about that... Hi, my name is Alpha.
Hi, my name is staggered Reps on a tanked Mack. And an Alpha gank (even of a Mack) is unprofitable (massively so), so who cares? EvE: Everyone vs Everyone |

Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1469
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Posted - 2012.07.27 10:48:00 -
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Manar Detri wrote:Actually to make this thing even clearer to you dear Richard Desturned. Every single argument you come up is garbage, you know why ? Because the alliance you are part of, goonswarm whined so long and hard that blapper titans got nerfed, just because you couldn't adapt to it.
You opened this can of whining worms, live with it.
thank you for your opinion, faceless npc alt
we tested setups 100 ways from sunday to counter "blapper titans," you know, the 20-30 dudes that decided coalition-level engagements at every turn
you know, the ewar-immune ships with millions upon millions of EHP and better tracking than arty battleships?
yeah, those "blapper titans"
every "counter" we tested was either overhyped, unrealistic in TQ conditions or simply useless
in addition, the growing number of titans was making other ships absolutely irrelevant. if titans were in the same state as they were before Crucible, our line members' entire gameplay in fleets would involve sitting on a titan just in case our own titan blob was in danger. how fun is that?
so yes, compare this to the titan nerf - catalysts are, after all, just
like
titans EVE Online: Trammel (or NGE) |

Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy Caldari State
123
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Posted - 2012.07.27 10:54:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Jorma Morkkis wrote:Richard Desturned wrote:As opposed to miners being told "bring RR" and flat-out refusing to invest any more effort into their gameplay? Cap stable Scimi + Mack... Have to think about that... Hi, my name is Alpha.
True, not getting away from that.
They have to deal with that 40k+ EHP tank my Mack will have. That's quite a few Tornadoes...
Should be hilarious though. |

Josef Djugashvilis
The Scope Gallente Federation
378
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Posted - 2012.07.27 10:54:00 -
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Richard Desturned
thank you for your opinion, faceless npc alt
I always think folk will stop posting with faceless alts, around the same time alliances stop using faceless alts to move goods in and out of hi-sec. You want fries with that? |

Pipa Porto
525
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Posted - 2012.07.27 10:56:00 -
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Josef Djugashvilis wrote:Richard Desturned
thank you for your opinion, faceless npc alt
I always think folk will stop posting with faceless alts, around the same time alliances stop using faceless alts to move goods in and out of hi-sec.
Josef Djugashvilis The Scope Gallente Federation EvE: Everyone vs Everyone
-RubyPorto |

Mallak Azaria
395
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Posted - 2012.07.27 10:56:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:End result: the mythical 22K EHP Mack apparently miners have to use or are "stupid pigs", everything both cargo and yield sacrificed for tank.
I'm going to go out on a limb here & say that you never thought of staggering your ice harvester cycles. Achieving what? Besides being easily flagged as a bot.
Achieving those unwasted harvester cycles because your cargo only holds enough for 1.5 cycles from 2 harvesters. Stagger by 30 seconds, don't mine afk & there's no problem with wasted cycles. Mining Barge buff: CCP-áhas acknowledged that miners in general-áare too stupid to make the correct fitting choices to make ganking them unprofitable. |

Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1470
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Posted - 2012.07.27 10:58:00 -
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Josef Djugashvilis wrote:Richard Desturned
thank you for your opinion, faceless npc alt
I always think folk will stop posting with faceless alts, around the same time alliances stop using faceless alts to move goods in and out of hi-sec.
You can't log in a faceless alt because you have to create a portrait. Duh. EVE Online: Trammel (or NGE) |

Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy Caldari State
123
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Posted - 2012.07.27 11:01:00 -
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Richard Desturned wrote:You can't log in a faceless alt because you have to create a portrait. Duh.
For some reason I've seen a lot of faceless characters lately. |

Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1472
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Posted - 2012.07.27 11:14:00 -
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Jorma Morkkis wrote:Richard Desturned wrote:You can't log in a faceless alt because you have to create a portrait. Duh. For some reason I've seen a lot of faceless characters lately.
my face is there, just not all of it EVE Online: Trammel (or NGE) |

Manar Detri
26
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Posted - 2012.07.27 11:16:00 -
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Richard Desturned wrote:Manar Detri wrote:Actually to make this thing even clearer to you dear Richard Desturned. Every single argument you come up is garbage, you know why ? Because the alliance you are part of, goonswarm whined so long and hard that blapper titans got nerfed, just because you couldn't adapt to it.
You opened this can of whining worms, live with it. thank you for your opinion, faceless npc alt we tested setups 100 ways from sunday to counter "blapper titans," you know, the 20-30 dudes that decided coalition-level engagements at every turn you know, the ewar-immune ships with millions upon millions of EHP and better tracking than arty battleships? yeah, those "blapper titans" every "counter" we tested was either overhyped, unrealistic in TQ conditions or simply useless in addition, the growing number of titans was making other ships absolutely irrelevant. if titans were in the same state as they were before Crucible, our line members' entire gameplay in fleets would involve sitting on a titan just in case our own titan blob was in danger. how fun is that? so yes, compare this to the titan nerf - catalysts are, after all, just like titans
You whined because you got killed. Miners whined because they got killed.
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
1715
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Posted - 2012.07.27 11:18:00 -
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Pipa Porto wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Jorma Morkkis wrote:Richard Desturned wrote:As opposed to miners being told "bring RR" and flat-out refusing to invest any more effort into their gameplay? Cap stable Scimi + Mack... Have to think about that... Hi, my name is Alpha. Hi, my name is staggered Reps on a tanked Mack. And an Alpha gank (even of a Mack) is unprofitable (massively so), so who cares?
Hi, Bat Country there. Some of them don't care about being cheap like you seem to be and will try use 3 Tornadoes against my Mack (as posted some posts of mine ago) Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
1715
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Posted - 2012.07.27 11:20:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:End result: the mythical 22K EHP Mack apparently miners have to use or are "stupid pigs", everything both cargo and yield sacrificed for tank.
I'm going to go out on a limb here & say that you never thought of staggering your ice harvester cycles. Achieving what? Besides being easily flagged as a bot. Achieving those unwasted harvester cycles because your cargo only holds enough for 1.5 cycles from 2 harvesters. Stagger by 30 seconds, don't mine afk & there's no problem with wasted cycles.
I can press F1 and F2 at half cycle just fine. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
Twitter channel |

Mallak Azaria
395
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Posted - 2012.07.27 11:20:00 -
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Manar Detri wrote:Richard Desturned wrote:Manar Detri wrote:Actually to make this thing even clearer to you dear Richard Desturned. Every single argument you come up is garbage, you know why ? Because the alliance you are part of, goonswarm whined so long and hard that blapper titans got nerfed, just because you couldn't adapt to it.
You opened this can of whining worms, live with it. thank you for your opinion, faceless npc alt we tested setups 100 ways from sunday to counter "blapper titans," you know, the 20-30 dudes that decided coalition-level engagements at every turn you know, the ewar-immune ships with millions upon millions of EHP and better tracking than arty battleships? yeah, those "blapper titans" every "counter" we tested was either overhyped, unrealistic in TQ conditions or simply useless in addition, the growing number of titans was making other ships absolutely irrelevant. if titans were in the same state as they were before Crucible, our line members' entire gameplay in fleets would involve sitting on a titan just in case our own titan blob was in danger. how fun is that? so yes, compare this to the titan nerf - catalysts are, after all, just like titans You whined because you got killed. Miners whined because they got killed.
The thing is, Titans had to be nerfed because they weren't being killed, but could kill subcaps in 1 shot regardless of using a DD or not. There's a difference between lobbying for a change that is to the betterment of everyone involved & lobbying for a change that makes the game easier for you so you don't get blown up because you were too lazy or stupid to fit a tank. Mining Barge buff: CCP-áhas acknowledged that miners in general-áare too stupid to make the correct fitting choices to make ganking them unprofitable. |

Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1473
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Posted - 2012.07.27 11:27:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:The thing is, Titans had to be nerfed because they weren't being killed, but could kill subcaps in 1 shot regardless of using a DD or not. There's a difference between lobbying for a change that is to the betterment of everyone involved & lobbying for a change that makes the game easier for you so you don't get blown up because you were too lazy or stupid to fit a tank.
trying to explain these things to people who have never left hisec and have never taken part in a large fleet engagement is pointless
for all you know he probably thinks that a good alliance has 3, maybe 4 titans EVE Online: Trammel (or NGE) |

Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy Caldari State
123
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Posted - 2012.07.27 11:30:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:The thing is, Titans had to be nerfed because they weren't being killed, but could kill subcaps in 1 shot regardless of using a DD or not.
Not if you DD'd wrong ship.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hk2cCe5GF-c |

Mallak Azaria
396
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Posted - 2012.07.27 11:39:00 -
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Jorma Morkkis wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:The thing is, Titans had to be nerfed because they weren't being killed, but could kill subcaps in 1 shot regardless of using a DD or not. Not if you DD'd wrong ship. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hk2cCe5GF-c
I don't see how a random DD video relates to titans not dying. Mining Barge buff: CCP-áhas acknowledged that miners in general-áare too stupid to make the correct fitting choices to make ganking them unprofitable. |
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