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Skogen Gump
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2012.08.07 15:01:00 -
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Cearain wrote: Please read Jack dents proposal for null sec. It's what the players want.
Linkage ?
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Cearain
Imperial Outlaws
522
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Posted - 2012.08.07 15:04:00 -
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Skogen Gump wrote:Cearain wrote: Please read Jack dents proposal for null sec. It's what the players want. Linkage ?
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=42987&find=unread
Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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Elliot Vodka
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
21
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Posted - 2012.08.07 15:08:00 -
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No, they aren't serious, its a giant ruse and your going to laugh about it tomorrow. |
Skogen Gump
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
99
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Posted - 2012.08.07 15:16:00 -
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Thank you :)
Oh - Jack Dant, not Jack Dent - wondered why my search-fu wasn't strong! |
Anslo
The Scope
Gallente Federation
15
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Posted - 2012.08.07 15:28:00 -
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There's not enough rage in this thread. |
Kingston Black
Hostile.
PURPLE HELMETED WARRIORS
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Posted - 2012.08.07 15:32:00 -
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these proposed changes are godawful the RnK post earlier sums it up nicely. If these changes go in there will be less fights in lowsec AND all the ships that can currently move about unmolested frigs-cloaky haulers etc will be getting slaughtered by interceptors and alpha fleets awful awful changes I can't believe CCP Greyscale would think these changes are a good idea he must have never lived in lowsec
And yes, im madbro I shall suck it up like a lowsec pubbie, but you'll never get me going to 0.0 to join your blobwarfare id rather put 15 rabid ferrets down my pants after id rubbed pate all over my crotch |
Nerf Burger
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
29
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Posted - 2012.08.07 15:34:00 -
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Ulmagod wrote:Here is a typical reason why this change has been proposed. http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=Tee+Kayhttp://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=Kuromugihttp://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=EndurethThese leet pilots sit on the Amamake/Osoggur gate in their Loki's and Tengu's with almost instalock abilities and kill everything that comes through the gate. Like shooting fish in a barrel. Adapt you say, get a fleet up and bait them you say. Well they have thought of that, they have an Orca with them at zero on the gate. If anything remotely dangerous happens, they dock on the Orca and it jumps to high sec. They are getting wonderful KB stats but what are they really achieving? Making low sec inaccessible for casuals and noobs that's what. They sit on that gate for a few hours most evenings going ctrl click on their overview with their guns cycling every few minutes. Must be hilarious fun and then they have the analysis of their killboard stats later. Wow I can't wait to be that good. It is a shame, cause generally I'd be against this change, but when you've got people doing this you can see where CCP are coming from. +1 to this change.
very good point. Too bad so many derps can't see the logic through their tears and fear of easymode-"pvp" being taken away. It is a great change. Thank you CCP. |
Kingston Black
Hostile.
PURPLE HELMETED WARRIORS
35
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Posted - 2012.08.07 15:36:00 -
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Id also point out gatecamping takes some balls, as its a big sign saying comeat me bro which is why we never do it and kill anyone we see gatecamping. If you see a gatecamp and you dont like it KILLITWITHFIRE |
Cearain
Imperial Outlaws
523
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Posted - 2012.08.07 15:39:00 -
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Nerf Burger wrote:Ulmagod wrote:Here is a typical reason why this change has been proposed. http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=Tee+Kayhttp://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=Kuromugihttp://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=EndurethThese leet pilots sit on the Amamake/Osoggur gate in their Loki's and Tengu's with almost instalock abilities and kill everything that comes through the gate. Like shooting fish in a barrel. Adapt you say, get a fleet up and bait them you say. Well they have thought of that, they have an Orca with them at zero on the gate. If anything remotely dangerous happens, they dock on the Orca and it jumps to high sec. They are getting wonderful KB stats but what are they really achieving? Making low sec inaccessible for casuals and noobs that's what. They sit on that gate for a few hours most evenings going ctrl click on their overview with their guns cycling every few minutes. Must be hilarious fun and then they have the analysis of their killboard stats later. Wow I can't wait to be that good. It is a shame, cause generally I'd be against this change, but when you've got people doing this you can see where CCP are coming from. +1 to this change. very good point. Too bad so many derps can't see the logic through their tears and fear of easymode-"pvp" being taken away. It is a great change. Thank you CCP.
I don't see how giving interceptors more time to tank the sentry guns, while they get initial tackle, will do anything but increase this sort of activity.
Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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Jim Era
The Syndicate Inc
En Garde
132
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Posted - 2012.08.07 15:40:00 -
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why are all these threads the same,,,and all utterly stale. |
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Benjamin Eastwood
Air
The Unthinkables
78
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Posted - 2012.08.07 15:45:00 -
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It's too bad that CCP is making you poor low sec gate campers work for your food. Move to null sec if you want unadulterated gate camping.
This is a good thing. Not only will it allow more people from empire space to take excursions into low sec with their illusions of safety, it'll also stimulate the stagnating systems on the fringe of high sec space.
It won't affect me though, I'm a null sec sovereign care bear now, all those low sec squatters are just **** stains on toilet paper.
"Endless ISK, the sinews of war" |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
8922
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Posted - 2012.08.07 15:51:00 -
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Nerf Burger wrote:very good point. GǪtoo bad it's nonsense. None of what he posted is a problem and none of it would be fixed with this change even if it were.
Quote:Too bad so many derps can't see GǪthat removing the ability to go past camps using small and fast ships and removing the ability to break camps by brining a fleet is not a good way of GǣimprovingGǥ lowsec.
Benjamin Eastwood wrote:It's too bad that CCP is making you poor low sec gate campers work for your food. HmmGǪ I think you might be posting in the wrong thread. This thread is about the proposed sentry gun changes that will make lowsec gate campers' lives much easier in every way, and ensure that fewer people than ever from highsec can take excursions into lowsec, which in turn would cause further stagnation of fringe systems.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
CONCORD spawns: quick enough to save you?
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TheGunslinger42
Bite Me inc
Elysian Empire
222
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Posted - 2012.08.07 15:58:00 -
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Nerf Burger wrote:Ulmagod wrote:Here is a typical reason why this change has been proposed. http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=Tee+Kayhttp://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=Kuromugihttp://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=EndurethThese leet pilots sit on the Amamake/Osoggur gate in their Loki's and Tengu's with almost instalock abilities and kill everything that comes through the gate. Like shooting fish in a barrel. Adapt you say, get a fleet up and bait them you say. Well they have thought of that, they have an Orca with them at zero on the gate. If anything remotely dangerous happens, they dock on the Orca and it jumps to high sec. They are getting wonderful KB stats but what are they really achieving? Making low sec inaccessible for casuals and noobs that's what. They sit on that gate for a few hours most evenings going ctrl click on their overview with their guns cycling every few minutes. Must be hilarious fun and then they have the analysis of their killboard stats later. Wow I can't wait to be that good. It is a shame, cause generally I'd be against this change, but when you've got people doing this you can see where CCP are coming from. +1 to this change. very good point. Too bad so many derps can't see the logic through their tears and fear of easymode-"pvp" being taken away. It is a great change. Thank you CCP.
Sorry bro but we're capable of logic, thats why we recognise these changes as awful. I'm sorry you got ganked after stupidly jumping into amamake, but that doesn't mean any change is a good change. Dry your eyes and you might realise this is going to result in you getting ganked MORE. |
Kingston Black
Hostile.
PURPLE HELMETED WARRIORS
35
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Posted - 2012.08.07 16:31:00 -
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What i don't get is why ccp greyscale is trying to get carebears into lowsec?
Carebears will never do anything in local when there are neutrals present anyways, it takes a certain kind of player to say "you know what? im going to bear anyways if they come gank me BRINGIT"
What greyscale should be doing is look at the players who live in lowsec and say "what do these guys do all day, and what could be changed to make more of these kinds of people come here and live in lowsec, what are the problems living here and what sucks here"
For instance, if your a newbie pirate, how do you get replacement ships? You can't enter highsec to pick them up so you either have to hire a courier corp like the froggies to get your ships or you have to train an alt to fly a freighter or orca to fly the ship to you and as an orca can only take a bc you'll probably need a freighter which costs 1.2bill atm which is a big ask for a newbie. (HINT: need ship carrying ship for resupply)
The old way of getting new bc's was to do drone missions or drone anomalies and refine the drone goo for minerals to make your own hulls believe it or not i used to make good iskies selling canes to my alliance ;)
Next, how do you make iskies? In lowsec you can rat, do missions, anomalies, sigs mining, wh's and take peoples mods from their wrecks
Missions are the main source of income and make more than highsec as you have more lp rewards. Ratting is pretty meh in lowsec and belt mining aint that great as the mins are not much better than highsec - although if you do find a mining site it can be quite good. Anomalies and sigs are a good source of income although at the current respawn rates they only really provide enough for 4-5 guys in an area so if your in a pirate corp alliance that lives in a lowsec area you probably wont have enough sigs to live off. Wh's do make good iskies if your setup to go raid them as a group and the people living in them are nice loot pinatas. Killing people and looting the wrecks does ofc make a lot of iskies too ;)
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Kingston Black
Hostile.
PURPLE HELMETED WARRIORS
35
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Posted - 2012.08.07 16:50:00 -
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aww hell, best change ever would eb to allow the lp stores for lowsec stations to stock t1 cruiser/bc/bs hulls that way newbies could do some bearing and get a new cane easy as without raging at how hard it is to get a new ship |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1251
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Posted - 2012.08.07 16:54:00 -
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TheGunslinger42 wrote:Sorry bro but we're capable of logic, thats why we recognise these changes as awful. I'm sorry you got ganked after stupidly jumping into amamake, but that doesn't mean any change is a good change. Dry your eyes and you might realise this is going to result in you getting ganked MORE.
Let em get ganked more then. Maybe the sentries will get upgraded to pop big ships even faster, and then faster. And jam and scam and web, maybe.
Just like an immoveable CONCORD. Then it's suicide ganking on the gate, which as we all know, suicide ganking was never meant to be profitable.
Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd
Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
Random Majere
Rogue Fleet
15
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Posted - 2012.08.07 17:04:00 -
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Laughing so hard right now!! |
Jauheliha
EVE University
Ivy League
0
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Posted - 2012.08.07 18:38:00 -
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Syphon Lodian wrote:Don't fight at gates. Problem solved.
Also don't play docking games.
Your killboard will survive. It'll be okay.
And how are the lowsec pirates supposed to make living after this change?
The gate is the only place where to catch incoming traffic... |
Dograzor
The Black Rabbits
The Gurlstas Associates
14
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Posted - 2012.08.07 19:42:00 -
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Ulmagod wrote:Here is a typical reason why this change has been proposed. http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=Tee+Kayhttp://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=Kuromugihttp://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=EndurethThese leet pilots sit on the Amamake/Osoggur gate in their Loki's and Tengu's with almost instalock abilities and kill everything that comes through the gate. Like shooting fish in a barrel. Adapt you say, get a fleet up and bait them you say. Well they have thought of that, they have an Orca with them at zero on the gate. If anything remotely dangerous happens, they dock on the Orca and it jumps to high sec. They are getting wonderful KB stats but what are they really achieving? Making low sec inaccessible for casuals and noobs that's what. They sit on that gate for a few hours most evenings going ctrl click on their overview with their guns cycling every few minutes. Must be hilarious fun and then they have the analysis of their killboard stats later. Wow I can't wait to be that good. It is a shame, cause generally I'd be against this change, but when you've got people doing this you can see where CCP are coming from. +1 to this change.
Well, no. Just no.
This is not a reason to implement this change. Lowsec is lawless space. Not noob/casual friendly space. Eve has always been more then just flying a bigger ship then the enemy or fair fights.
Eve challenges you to use your brains.
For example, having lived in lowsec for a while, in your above scenario I can pick up the following pieces:
1) Amamake. Amamake is the famous lowsec clusterfuck of Eve. If you have lived in lowsec, you know that when you go to the top belt in Amamake, you are guaranteed to have a fight. If you don't believe me, you could just google Amamake:
Quote:With 6 stargates and 19 stations, this system is packed. True, not every moon has its own station, but some have 3 to make up for that. And 38 agents to keep mission runners busy! Amamake is the access point between the Hed constellation and the rest of Heimatar. Hed being so well connected, this puts Amamake only 2 jumps from 4 separate regions. - Source - Evewiki
So yes, Amamake is bound to have trouble in it.
2) The characters you linked camping. Reason why they are here: read 1). 2ndly, they are B.A.N.E. (Or heretic w/e nowadays). Amamake is their system, and they will kill in it as usual... and have done so for years.
3) The shiptypes you say. Fastlocking T3's. This game is not about beating those ships, its about knowing roles. You don't want to get caught - use a covert ops while passing through. You want to haul stuff - train for a prorator. You want to mission for some reason in lowsec - use a cloaky t3. Know the roles of your ships, and you can evade this at no point.
And the argument of them being unfair and breaking the game... no. They just got good at what they are doing, and you'll have to start becoming better. Thats how Eve works.
Tbh if you keep dying in lowsec start wondering what you can do to avoid that - instead of pointing fingers at others or at CCP for being unfair.
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Random Majere
Rogue Fleet
15
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Posted - 2012.08.07 20:38:00 -
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Dograzor wrote: Lowsec is lawless space. Not noob/casual friendly space. Eve has always been more then just flying a bigger ship then the enemy or fair fights.
No. Null Sec (0.0) is lawless space (even WH space is). Low sec is...well ...it is lower security. I would never qualify low sec as lawless space. You are right on a lot of things you said, but to say that low sec is completly lawless is in my opinion a very wrong assumption and actually provides CCP justification in going ahead with this "proposed" change (if that is how pirates see low sec). |
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Dograzor
The Black Rabbits
The Gurlstas Associates
14
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Posted - 2012.08.07 20:44:00 -
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Random Majere wrote:Dograzor wrote: Lowsec is lawless space. Not noob/casual friendly space. Eve has always been more then just flying a bigger ship then the enemy or fair fights.
No. Null Sec (0.0) is lawless space (even WH space is). Low sec is...well ...it is lower security. I would never qualify low sec as lawless space. You are right on a lot of things you said, but to say that low sec is completly lawless is in my opinion a very wrong assumption and actually provides CCP justification in going ahead with this "proposed" change (if that is how pirates see low sec).
Technically you are right yes. And I know what you mean and I agree with it... What I meant with lawless is that I see it as space where outlaws/pirates like to dwell, so thats why I refer to it as lawless.  |
Kingston Black
Hostile.
PURPLE HELMETED WARRIORS
35
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Posted - 2012.08.07 22:06:00 -
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i used to camp gates in T3's as well. Then i got blackops dropped and took an arrow to the knee |
sYnc Vir
Wolfsbrigade
Lost Obsession
298
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Posted - 2012.08.08 00:24:00 -
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Just for funs we set up a little Archon, 4 bs 1 t3 gate camp. First for 2 hours in losec and then for an hour in prov. Main route too. Cause we here all these people saying every gates camped and such. Given the queue of the their but for the camp people, we figured at lease a couple kills would be ours from blind jumps. If not that, well every gates camped and we'll, at some point get the regular campers too come by and move us on from their spot.
Alas no, even with me scouting in systems in prov telling every roaming gang the damn gate of the carrier, cause it was hour three and good god was I bored. Nothing much happened, couple of tengu's shot at the bait, and some loki died in a fire but that was that.
We did gank the crap out of a goon camping our home station undock. Bad timing for him, funny as **** for a bored fleet. In short, Gate camping is fcuking boring as ****, and doesn't matter what crap you sit on a gate.
If no ones coming, no ones coming.
Is there a way I can get back those three hours? Some people took screen shots in between watching the 2012 Games. Hopefully they will post the awesome emptiness that was our evening. |
Herping yourDerp
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
636
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Posted - 2012.08.08 00:31:00 -
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this means a gang of t1 frigs can probably take on a BS or 2 on the gate and get the kill, maybe with some losses but still get it.
also means sec status has more meaning then "zomg i cant go highsec Q_Q" |
sYnc Vir
Wolfsbrigade
Lost Obsession
298
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Posted - 2012.08.08 00:33:00 -
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Herping yourDerp wrote:this means a gang of t1 frigs can probably take on a BS or 2 on the gate and get the kill, maybe with some losses but still get it.
also means sec status has more meaning then "zomg i cant go highsec Q_Q"
You can still go to high sec.
I was warping around it in my pilgrim just a few hours ago. |
Homo Jesus
The LGBT Last Supper
32
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Posted - 2012.08.08 00:45:00 -
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Clear the Amamake gate dammit!!!! I want to do something there yo...of course I'm kind of oblivious to the fact that once I'm in space just going into a mission doesn't magically teleport me into a "safe zone". And warping around to planets isn't as fool proof as I think it is. Or hey I know! I'll make a safe by warping from one celestial directly to another and watch for probes like that guide I skimmed told me to do. YESsss That'll work..those stupid impatient pirats will never bust that EVER.
-Carebear Jesus |
Medarr
ZeroSec
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Posted - 2012.08.08 01:01:00 -
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hmmm I see a new version of gate camping...
pounce camping.. Since now frigs can sit on the gate and tackle with the rest of the fleet in a gate safe and a cloaky on the other side informing them of juicy tackles... nothing is going to change really.. the frigs tackle while the dps warps in.. pew pew pew.. warp of grid for timer... rinse.. repeat... |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1254
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Posted - 2012.08.08 01:06:00 -
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Medarr wrote:hmmm I see a new version of gate camping...
pounce camping.. Since now frigs can sit on the gate and tackle with the rest of the fleet in a gate safe and a cloaky on the other side informing them of juicy tackles... nothing is going to change really.. the frigs tackle while the dps warps in.. pew pew pew.. warp of grid for timer... rinse.. repeat...
Yeah, a bit more coordination than just sitting on gate with sebos running, weapons prefired, and an eye on local/overview for a target.
*shrug*
Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd
Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
Kmelx
Applied Creations
The Fendahlian Collective
39
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Posted - 2012.08.08 11:31:00 -
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Strider Hiryu wrote:Ulmagod wrote:Here is a typical reason why this change has been proposed. http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=Tee+Kayhttp://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=Kuromugihttp://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=EndurethThese leet pilots sit on the Amamake/Osoggur gate in their Loki's and Tengu's with almost instalock abilities and kill everything that comes through the gate. Like shooting fish in a barrel. Adapt you say, get a fleet up and bait them you say. Well they have thought of that, they have an Orca with them at zero on the gate. If anything remotely dangerous happens, they dock on the Orca and it jumps to high sec. They are getting wonderful KB stats but what are they really achieving? Making low sec inaccessible for casuals and noobs that's what. They sit on that gate for a few hours most evenings going ctrl click on their overview with their guns cycling every few minutes. Must be hilarious fun and then they have the analysis of their killboard stats later. Wow I can't wait to be that good. It is a shame, cause generally I'd be against this change, but when you've got people doing this you can see where CCP are coming from. +1 to this change. The gate guns are not the problem here. Docking agressed ships into capitals/orcas is. CCP need to fix the docking of agressed ships into capitals/orcas. Remove the ability to escape risk free, then see how many people camp in insta locking t3's. Even with logistics, those ships will die to a superior fleet. Then theres the fact that t3's are overpowered.... Massive HP, Tiny Sig Radius, Great damage + more bonuses. But thats for another thread  In summary, CCP need to fix orca docking and t3's before wreaking gate guns.
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arcca jeth
Dark Alliance
Dark Empire Alliance
132
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Posted - 2012.08.08 18:35:00 -
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Liang Nuren wrote:Arkturus McFadden wrote:True piracy lied in the asteroid belts and safespots, not on a stargate. True roams lie in fights on the gate, not in the asteroid belt. -Liang
that's not exactly roaming if you are sitting on a gate all night is it?...
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