It can be repeatedly demonstrated that ganking campaings raised the prices of materials successfully brought to market by miners. Successful miners earned more.

That is the effect of ganking on mining. A net benefit.

It's AWOX Darth. Corp kill. FREE of charge. 100% profit.

Now let's take FA and Goons - what, 15,000?? I'm guessing w/o checking.

AT ONE mack each - that's 15,000 macks. Now just 1 more each, go on, for the corp.... You can do it.

30,000 kills and they are as good as guaranteed kills and FREE.

Do it smart. Assimilate. Infiltrate. Do it slow....

Then BANG.

Corps will shut down, no recruiting, no-one will trust anybody. Chaos and anarchy.

The miners will absolutely fn riot!!!

Problem with your argument is that people did not stop mining and they enjoyed the highest prices for their minerals and ice miners have ever seen while all of this ganking was going on. Why do you want to take those great profits away from miners?

Ganking lowers my profit since I don't sell any of the materials but instead I use all to craft ships and modules.

Ganking lowers my profit since I don't sell any of the materials but instead I use all to craft ships and modules.

It's AWOX Darth. Corp kill. FREE of charge. 100% profit.

Now let's take FA and Goons - what, 15,000?? I'm guessing w/o checking.

AT ONE mack each - that's 15,000 macks. Now just 1 more each, go on, for the corp.... You can do it.

30,000 kills and they are as good as guaranteed kills and FREE.

Do it smart. Assimilate. Infiltrate. Do it slow....

Then BANG.

Corps will shut down, no recruiting, no-one will trust anybody. Chaos and anarchy.

The miners will absolutely fn riot!!!

No they won't dude and you know it. They'll join NPC corps by not adapting when their corps close and keep on mining.

Because I know the difference between reproc, market manipulation and mining profits. I also will hold to the firm belief that the only ones absorbing the barge losses were Bots and null sec corp Ops. Solo miners in high sec were not 'enjoying' enough of a spike to adjust for the loss of a Hulk and those were the only ones being targeted by the ganking that was removed,

Actually, that is adapting. The same way as null sec hauler alts is adappting to war dec's.

always the same closed-minded no-lifers baltec and pipa porto arguing with everyone everyday.

People who kill other people in video games have no place anywhere in modern society. At this point it's simply a waiting game until they die out, and humanity can finally have world peace.

Maybe you should have "crafted" some shield extenders instead of expanded cargoholds.

Shield extenders and invuls are low profit crafting products.

High supply and low demand force prices down.

Shield extenders and invuls are low profit crafting products.

High supply and low demand force prices down.

Minerals and ice trippled in price and stablised at that level. I'd say earning three times more isk for your work is a good thing no?

After the buff ice has lost 2/3 of its value and its still dropping. So are miners better off now than before the buff? No, they are not.

Failure is more costly to crafting than success every time.

No they won't dude and you know it. They'll join NPC corps by not adapting when their corps close and keep on mining.

So are miners better off now than before the buff? No, they are not.

Well if not doing anything but whining is adaptation, then high-sec miners are epic adapters.

Especially when you try to craft Light Neutron Blaster IIs and Catalysts. And then gankers start universe wide strike.

Yes, they are better off.

Most miners don't mine Ice. Price is down because of Bots. Mineral prices are spiked because of Drone region nerf and Meta 0 loot removal. High sec Miners never got the benefit of that spike because they had to sink it all back in to new Hulks. Now they might actually get to make a little ISK and keep it.

They don't seem to be the ones whining here. Instead it seems to be the same old Mittani alts and pets....

Are you saying that alliance with 360 Tech moons can't offer more than 10M/exhumer?

That's 360 trillion a month.

Yes, they are better off.

Most miners don't mine Ice. Price is down because of Bots. Mineral prices are spiked because of Drone region nerf and Meta 0 loot removal. High sec Miners never got the benefit of that spike because they had to sink it all back in to new Hulks. Now they might actually get to make a little ISK and keep it.

Ganking lowers my profit since I don't sell any of the materials but instead I use all to craft ships and modules.

Apparently miners in Macks are now 100% invulnerable and free to mine forever so yes I would say that makes them a fair bit better off than before the buff :)

Not so sure.

What of all their POS's, corp manufacturing etc. You wont get +¬m all, granted, but the rage. Oh the rage!! I'm getting excited just thinking about it - and I'm a miner at heart!!

And ya gotta ask, since no sec status loss, would churning your alts to keep, errrr... anonymity..... be an exploit?