Update: CCP has once again shat on ganking in order to turn highsec into a risk-free carebear paradise.

Retribution is all about balancing ships and what not, so why not balance out ganking a bit while you're at it? Over the last eight years, ganking has been nerfed nearly into the ground, with only a few select groups of highly skilled, well funded individuals continuing to separate stupid highsec mongoloids from their precious shiny things. Why not buff immoral activity for a change? Reward smart people for taking basic precautions against dying and loss, like not traveling around with billions in their hold, not clicking on the contracts in Jita local, and not traveling the Rancer Pipe with hundreds of PLEX in the cargo bay.

Ganking keeps getting hit with more and more nerfs: pretty soon there won't be that "cold harsh universe" left that CCP keeps going on about in their promos. EVE belongs to the violent, the venal, and the brilliant. Buff ganking. Nerf dumb people.

Got the numbers handy to show that the hulk recieved a buff & that the Mack recieved a significant buff? Or are you crying over the Skiff?

Second of all, ganking is limited to high-sec. If you think otherwise, then you obviously don't play the game enough to understand what ganking is. Sorry if this hurts your feelings, but I calls them like I sees them.

I think this thread has almost gone as far as it can but I'm not quite willing to close it just yet, if you can all get back on topic. This thread is not another "Issues with mining barges" thread, we already had that.

Since ganking isn't restricted to high sec nor is it restricted to barges/exhumers, lets see if we can't get the thread out of this very narrow channel it seems to have gotten wedged in, and back to something resembling its starting point. I genuinely wanted to see what would come of this topic, as I'm pretty sure many of you do.

Per instructions, getting back on topic:

I think the problem here is that "the cold harsh universe," means so many different things to different people. The OP seems to be implying that it's a universe where death is common place, loss is common place and in fact is tilted toward the aggressor with all non "pvp," functions in eve being there simply as filler for killmails. I don't know if this is true or not. One of the issues is that while ganking is an absolutely sanctioned profession, it is one that is purely player driven, defined and created and thus I think up to the player to adjust to all CCP speed bumps thrown up. Much like the criminal in the real world, the burden of adjustment is on the ganker. If exhumers get a million EHP figure out how to break them or like other groups move onto to juicer and easier targets.

Ganking =/= suicide ganking

Although suicide ganking involves ganking.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=ganking

Crimewatch 2.0 is protecting stupid people and rewarding lazy people. This hurts the smart and industrious people by making their intelligence and industry provide them with less benefit over the stupid and lazy people.

I believe it is time to update my sig.

You don't believe in attribution?

P.S. If attribution is a dealbreaker, don't attribute.

Ganking means suicide-ganking. Anything else is conventional pvp. In EVE, ganking means destroying someone despite NPC intervention. When I bomb someone in who is entering a wormhole, I am not ganking. When I attack a FW enemy in a plex, I am not ganking. When I engage a war target that undocks from a station, I am not ganking. Anyone who does pvp in EVE is able to make this distinction.

Ganking is common shorthand for Suicide Ganking. The OP makes it clear that that is the focus of this thread. Name for me the mechanic by which one can Suicide Gank outside of HS.

I don't right on hand, but last time I did the comparison (and this is from my falliable memory):
3 MLU Mackinaw is about 10k EHP better than the pre-buff Cargo hulk it replaces (with a better yield and cargo, no less)
2 MLU Mackinaw, which about matches the Cargo Hulk in yield, is some 25k EHP better.
Untanked, the Mackinaw gained about 4500 EHP over the untanked, pre-buff Hulk (not counting the fact that the Mack has fewer modules to drop nor the fact that the Hulk it replaced reduced its tank further via cargo expansion).

Have you actually seen someone mining in a Skiff?

I mean, I've been complaining about the Skiff, but I've been complaining that the Mackinaw outshines or effectively ties it in every single way*.

*Jorma caveat: every way useful to miners. Speed will not be a valid counterargument, Jorma.

Nyncing.

Edit: And while it may be common shorthand, it's a bit too narrow a definition. You can also gank outside of suicide ganking, if you gank someone chances are you take them unawares or unable to defend themselves, the difference between it and suicide ganking is that you die in the process.

meaning a BC ganking a freighter or a JF is a perfectly acceptable definition, same with a BC ganking a dread f.ex.

And what mechanic provides the guarantee of suicide? I know it may be splitting hairs, but there's a difference between discussing the mechanics of suicide ganking and the tactical implications of jumping dreads into a situation wherein they have very little hope of surviving their siege cycle.



I agree that it's too narrow, but it's fairly clear that when the OP says "ganking" he means "Suicide Ganking."

Devs have already said miner ganking was never supposed to be profitable.

And what mechanic provides the guarantee of suicide? I know it may be splitting hairs, but there's a difference between discussing the mechanics of suicide ganking and the tactical implications of jumping dreads into a situation wherein they have very little hope of surviving their siege cycle.

Such a hilariously witty & original comment.

try harder to split some hairs, scrub.

Why is it always the same no-life losers defending ganking like pipa porto and baltec?

the fact that you are in goonswarm defending skilless, riskless "pvp" and are quoting someone as stupid as pipa porto is so typical it is hilarious.

Why do I get the feeling there is a mod deleting posts.

Show yourself!

with only a few select groups of highly skilled

Nerf dumb people.

How can anyone take such losers seriously?

They did.


Get good at it.

thats what I said. You have to wonder about the intelligence and "skill" of people who prefer their "pvp" to consist of gangbanging helpless targets that won't fight back.

Ganker and canflipper tears so delicious.

thats what I said. You have to wonder about the intelligence and "skill" of people who prefer their "pvp" to consist of gangbanging helpless targets that don't stand a chance. Hilarious how they like to claim their victims are the stupid ones. EVE to me seems like the last bastion of the stupid "pvper". Now they are flooding the forums with a river of tears that their riskless, brainless "pvp" is being taken away.

Ganker and canflipper tears so delicious.

This from someone whos only contribution to this thread is nothing but insults hurled at players who do things you don't like.