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Velin Dhal
Blood Phage Syndicate The Dominion Empire
6
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Posted - 2011.10.11 07:17:00 -
[811] - Quote
Psymn wrote:Guys, your super caps are no longer solo pwn-wagons. If my baddon gets tackled by a dram theres nothing i can do about it either. Thats why i bring people who can.
I empathise with the folks complaining here that they will have to change their strategy. But any change that encourages inclusion of a wider range of ships in an engagement has to be a good change, right?
Why do people keep claiming that SCs are these all powerful and indestructable ships ? They aren't. As i said before, the right fleet comp is what makes or breaks the fight.
Oh yeah....and your Abaddon doesn't cost 20-60 billion isk. |

Wen Jaibao
Aperture Harmonics K162
2
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Posted - 2011.10.11 07:17:00 -
[812] - Quote
Honestly the nerf to fighters is a very small price to pay (never really used them anyways since all I do in a carrier is triage) in exchange for this complete and utter devastation of supercaps. Maybe I'll go on 0.0 roams once this hits, since I won't have to worry about someone dropping an iWin titan on me. |

malet
FinFleet Raiden.
5
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Posted - 2011.10.11 07:17:00 -
[813] - Quote
Psymn wrote:Guys, your super caps are no longer solo pwn-wagons. If my baddon gets tackled by a dram theres nothing i can do about it either. Thats why i bring people who can.
I empathise with the folks complaining here that they will have to change their strategy. But any change that encourages inclusion of a wider range of ships in an engagement has to be a good change, right?
And does your abbadon cost 85billion isk? you are tackled by a ship of the same value, then thats fair game. If your in a titan your net dies and some random dictors finds you before you disaapear you are then stuck there being held by a ship that cost 30 million isk..
its hardly the same is it?
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KFenn
Percussive Diplomacy
20
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Posted - 2011.10.11 07:17:00 -
[814] - Quote
Psymn wrote:Guys, your super caps are no longer solo pwn-wagons. If my baddon gets tackled by a dram theres nothing i can do about it either. Thats why i bring people who can.
A million times this. Commanding Officer of the Treacle Tart Brigade SLAPD Director |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
438
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Posted - 2011.10.11 07:18:00 -
[815] - Quote
Velin Dhal wrote:Ok let me throw up a senario here. Tell me what you think.
TEST rolls into a system with a 200 man subcap fleet GǪwhich has nothing to do with the hyperbole Joe envisioned.
Quote:Why do people keep claiming that SCs are these all powerful and indestructable ships ? They aren't. As i said before, the right fleet comp is what makes or breaks the fight. GǪsomething that will be far more true now than it was before, when GÇ£the right fleet compGÇ¥ could always be reduced to GÇ£bring more SCsGÇ¥. That was bad, now it is being fixed by making it no longer true. GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |

Cethrie
Eternity INC. Goonswarm Federation
1
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Posted - 2011.10.11 07:23:00 -
[816] - Quote
Fiberton wrote: He used his CSM intel to start pumping out dreads ahead of time.
Hilarious.. While your comment is off topic .. may I add a counter point or two.
A while ago, after goonswarm realised they had a lot of hostile pos's around them and the dread fleet was lacking because everyone had sold them off. Someone in command decided to offer dreads from the alliance to get the shooting done, i.e the fc's would have some dreads. Then PL using 10 super carriers, logged in, cyno 2 jumps and engaged before the siege timer was out, which relieved Goonswarm of those dreads, by killing 1 every 15 seconds. So I suspect your Kugu super spy is perhaps a little wrong or someone has run off with the legion of dreadnoughts The Mittani ordered built, because of his super secret inside knowledge and how this super dread buff will save them from that exact same fate.
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Rakshasa Taisab
Sane Industries Inc.
342
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Posted - 2011.10.11 07:25:00 -
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Anile8er wrote:Rakshasa Taisab wrote:Ganthrithor wrote:Rakshasa Taisab wrote:Learn to adapt, or you'll never survive in 0.0. Sign of desperation: calling the other guy a carebear. What are you, some bitter ex-BoB ******? Quit it with the EVOL slogans. Cry more little bee, cry more. Your super e-peen is getting nerfed and you're all floppy. You realize the "Little Bee" coalition is in full support of this patch...... i dont think you do. Yes, well aware... I'm just laughing at that little bee up there who is crying bawawawa~
Even funnier is that when he failed to counter me with reasoned arguments he started ad hominem attacks. Pretty failed ones at that.
Weak trolling for a little bee, too much crying, are you sure that he's not one of the 'pay 500m to join us' recruits that someone forgot to kick? 84,000 AUR ($420) spent on NeX store for Troll and Profit. |

Velin Dhal
Blood Phage Syndicate The Dominion Empire
6
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Posted - 2011.10.11 07:27:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Velin Dhal wrote:Ok let me throw up a senario here. Tell me what you think.
TEST rolls into a system with a 200 man subcap fleet GǪwhich has nothing to do with the hyperbole Joe envisioned. Quote:Why do people keep claiming that SCs are these all powerful and indestructable ships ? They aren't. As i said before, the right fleet comp is what makes or breaks the fight. GǪsomething that will be far more true now than it was before, when Gǣthe right fleet compGǥ could always be reduced to Gǣbring more SCsGǥ. That was bad, now it is being fixed by making it no longer true.
What I am saying here is that alliances with massive amounts of low SP toons will be able to completely dominate high SP toons just because we aren't sitting in a super alliance. Why should anyone be forced into an alliance they don't want to join just so they can own sov ? |

Elindreal
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
8
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Posted - 2011.10.11 07:28:00 -
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it's been said a number of times, but... tracking links on titans should be stopped tracking links on dreads should be allowed, even while in siege mode.
dreads are the baby cap which can quickly be nuked off the field by a titan DD and SC fighter bombers. yet dreads can fill the role of taking a sizable bite out of a subcap fleet.
someone also mentioned an issue with the phoenix/leviathan turrets can be remotely linked missile explosion radii/velocity cannot
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Ganthrithor
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
8
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Posted - 2011.10.11 07:28:00 -
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Rakshasa Taisab wrote:Anile8er wrote:Rakshasa Taisab wrote:Ganthrithor wrote:Rakshasa Taisab wrote:Learn to adapt, or you'll never survive in 0.0. Sign of desperation: calling the other guy a carebear. What are you, some bitter ex-BoB ******? Quit it with the EVOL slogans. Cry more little bee, cry more. Your super e-peen is getting nerfed and you're all floppy. You realize the "Little Bee" coalition is in full support of this patch...... i dont think you do. Yes, well aware... I'm just laughing at that little bee up there who is crying bawawawa~ Even funnier is that when he failed to counter me with reasoned arguments he started ad hominem attacks. Pretty failed ones at that. Weak trolling for a little bee, too much crying, are you sure that he's not one of the 'pay 500m to join us' recruits that someone forgot to kick?
Ok, you're loads of fun. Lets try this another way then.
Why is it necessary to remove all drones from supercaps, rather than limiting them to a few flights? Answer and I will explain to you why you're wrong. |

Psymn
Spiritus Draconis
1
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Posted - 2011.10.11 07:31:00 -
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Anile8er wrote:Psymn wrote:Guys, your super caps are no longer solo pwn-wagons. If my baddon gets tackled by a dram theres nothing i can do about it either. Thats why i bring people who can.
I empathise with the folks complaining here that they will have to change their strategy. But any change that encourages inclusion of a wider range of ships in an engagement has to be a good change, right? Yes if CCP took ECM drones or Warrirors II's from your Abaddon a single dramiel would probably hold you down forever.
A dram fitted for cepting can 99% outrun ec-300's and 100% outrun warriors.
Sure guys SC's are expensive. Stop thinking about the hole in your wallet and start thinking about gameplay. Thats a bit harsh i know but maybe you all have milked the flavor-of-the-last-2-years and now have to learn to protect against their new weaknesses?
That was a rhetorical question btw. I have a feeling that caps will still be rarely deployed in low-sec off station since like has been said, supers can still make short work of them. Only difference is that someone might lose a super or two due to their expectation that with a large price tag comes immunity to risk. |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
438
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Posted - 2011.10.11 07:32:00 -
[822] - Quote
Velin Dhal wrote:What I am saying here is that alliances with massive amounts of low SP toons will be able to completely dominate high SP toons This is a good thing. SP is not a measurement of power GÇö we are not playing an XP/Level/Class game here.
Quote:Why should anyone be forced into an alliance they don't want to join just so they can own sov ? You shouldn't, but that is an issue with the sov system and with human nature far more than it is an issue with ships. In fact, ships are not a factor in that equation because your GÇ£pwn the n00bsGÇ¥ ship that you can use to kick those hordes out can (and will) be used against you to kick you out, and leaving it in is bad for balance.
Between broken game and you not holding sov and balanced game and you (still) not holding sov, the latter is better.
GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |

BadBoyBubby
Body Count Inc. Pandemic Legion
1
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Posted - 2011.10.11 07:32:00 -
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Most of these changes...meh.
But reducing the drone bay on supercaps to 25 fighters/bombers max? That is seriously dumb. You've already taken out all the drones. You've nerfed fighters and fighter bombers again (how people forget so quickly) on sig radius, so they can't do much to sub caps anyway. So why reduce the drone bay capacity to the point where you can't even load a full flight of each type?? Seriously, WTF????
I'll repeat the question asked so often and never answered: DO CCP DEVS ACTUALLY PLAY EVE??? |

Usurpine
Galactic Defence Consortium United Pod Service
15
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Posted - 2011.10.11 07:34:00 -
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Premeir Eden wrote:Magic Crisp wrote:Dear CCP,
I have a concern here on the dreads. Dreads are not used within fleet fights because it's impossible to keep them alive. Without siege mode they don't really do more damage than a good battleship, but BSs can be moved around using regular gates and much more agile. When they go to siege mode, they just die, becuase the tanking bonus of the siege module is useless above a small fleet's scale.
So, as I've experienced, the problem with fielding dreads in large fleets, and against supercaps, is the tanking, they just can't be kept alive. If you could find a fair way for the dreads to recieve logistics AND do a decent damage, that'd be a start.
As a second point, carriers could hit smaller targets with fighters, that was pretty nice in small fleets. Smaller targets, like cruiser-sized vessels. Weren't 100% hitrate, but still was decent enough to be effective. If you nerf this even more, this might cause an issue. i just thought of a solution for dreads! just boost damage for dreads, pretty much give em all a base gun damage bonus, like the nightmare's 100% damage bonus, nothing too crazy though. figure out a way to boost their survivability, probally repair bonus or something. (resist bonus?) also give 'em back their drones at least, make 'em as sad as they were before their "boost" at least. if they are "overpowered", just put them back and change their name to something more wimpy, like carenought or something. I really thought same. Fully agreed with this. |

Otrovakruf
Paragon Fury Cascade Imminent
2
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Posted - 2011.10.11 07:35:00 -
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There is one rule that everybody, except a few, seems to have forgotten! The most important rule of all!
If you can't afford to loose it, don't fly it!
and that goes for all ship classes and pilots. So stop complaining about you 80-120bil Titan or 20 something bil SC.
Your playing eve, Ships die, they are still gonna be hard to kill, but atleast we small guys have a chance to kill you now.
Good job CCP |

Anile8er
Origin. Black Legion.
13
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Posted - 2011.10.11 07:37:00 -
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Psymn wrote:Anile8er wrote:Psymn wrote:Guys, your super caps are no longer solo pwn-wagons. If my baddon gets tackled by a dram theres nothing i can do about it either. Thats why i bring people who can.
I empathise with the folks complaining here that they will have to change their strategy. But any change that encourages inclusion of a wider range of ships in an engagement has to be a good change, right? Yes if CCP took ECM drones or Warrirors II's from your Abaddon a single dramiel would probably hold you down forever. A dram fitted for cepting can 99% outrun ec-300's and 100% outrun warriors. Sure guys SC's are expensive. Stop thinking about the hole in your wallet and start thinking about gameplay. Thats a bit harsh i know but maybe you all have milked the flavor-of-the-last-2-years and now have to learn to protect against their new weaknesses? That was a rhetorical question btw. I have a feeling that caps will still be rarely deployed in low-sec off station since like has been said, supers can still make short work of them. Only difference is that someone might lose a super or two due to their expectation that with a large price tag comes immunity to risk.
Wow. |

Anile8er
Origin. Black Legion.
13
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Posted - 2011.10.11 07:40:00 -
[827] - Quote
Otrovakruf wrote:There is one rule that everybody, except a few, seems to have forgotten! The most important rule of all!
If you can't afford to loose it, don't fly it!
and that goes for all ship classes and pilots. So stop complaining about you 80-120bil Titan or 20 something bil SC.
Your playing eve, Ships die, they are still gonna be hard to kill, but atleast we small guys have a chance to kill you now.
Good job CCP
I can afford to loose my Nyx... thats why i use it. It's more that CCP is making my Nyx useless other than killing caps, and more so useless to me because I am not in a giant blob alliance, and I cant change into another ship. |

Lyrrashae
Crushed Ambitions Universal Consortium
6
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Posted - 2011.10.11 07:41:00 -
[828] - Quote
ITT: Crying nullbears grieving for their "IWIN!!!!111oneone!!1" buttons.
Adapt and evolve, or GTFO.
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Velin Dhal
Blood Phage Syndicate The Dominion Empire
6
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Posted - 2011.10.11 07:42:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Velin Dhal wrote:What I am saying here is that alliances with massive amounts of low SP toons will be able to completely dominate high SP toons This is a good thing. SP is not a measurement of power GÇö we are not playing an XP/Level/Class game here.
Then why doesn't everyone get max skills from day 1 ? SP is a measurement of power. Thinking it isn't, is insanity. Given that if two players are max skilled at flying a hurricane it comes down to skill and fittings. If one player is max skilled and the other has barely enough SP to fly the ship, how can you say that SP is not a measurement of power in a situation like that ?
Not only does SP affect what ships you can fly but it effects just about every modification you put on said ship. |

Velin Dhal
Blood Phage Syndicate The Dominion Empire
6
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Posted - 2011.10.11 07:45:00 -
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Otrovakruf wrote:There is one rule that everybody, except a few, seems to have forgotten! The most important rule of all!
If you can't afford to loose it, don't fly it!
and that goes for all ship classes and pilots. So stop complaining about you 80-120bil Titan or 20 something bil SC.
Your playing eve, Ships die, they are still gonna be hard to kill, but atleast we small guys have a chance to kill you now.
Good job CCP
So you obviously assume that because super cap pilots are pissed that they can't afford to lose one ? That is laughable. I'm sure there are some that can't but many can afford to replace them. I have no issues about losing a ship in this game. It is when CCP makes them worthless to own that people start getting upset about it. |

Velin Dhal
Blood Phage Syndicate The Dominion Empire
6
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Posted - 2011.10.11 07:46:00 -
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Lyrrashae wrote:ITT: Crying nullbears grieving for their "IWIN!!!!111oneone!!1" buttons.
Adapt and evolve, or GTFO.
Here is an idea. Go macro in your Orca and hulk toons and STFU. Leave the topic to people who actually have pvp experience. |

Gevlin
SMANews.net SpaceMonkey's Alliance
7
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Posted - 2011.10.11 07:47:00 -
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i guess my biggest complaint with the super carriers was their ability to just MOW though the sov structures like butter.
I though this was the primary task of dreadknots.
So now the only use for the deadknot is to just shoot Towers. |

Psymn
Spiritus Draconis
1
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Posted - 2011.10.11 07:47:00 -
[833] - Quote
Anile8er wrote:Otrovakruf wrote:There is one rule that everybody, except a few, seems to have forgotten! The most important rule of all!
If you can't afford to loose it, don't fly it!
and that goes for all ship classes and pilots. So stop complaining about you 80-120bil Titan or 20 something bil SC.
Your playing eve, Ships die, they are still gonna be hard to kill, but atleast we small guys have a chance to kill you now.
Good job CCP I can afford to loose my Nyx... thats why i use it. It's more that CCP is making my Nyx useless other than killing caps, and more so useless to me because I am not in a giant blob alliance, and I cant change into another ship.
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=10494486
No more falcon kills? Sorry bro |

Sigras
Conglomo IMPERIAL LEGI0N
16
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Posted - 2011.10.11 07:48:00 -
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ToXicPaIN wrote:Velin Dhal wrote:Tippia wrote:Joe Censored wrote:So now a single sabre can solo hold a titan hostage for 23 hours straight, no way for a titan to kill it, or escape, in pretty much any circumstance.
Something seriously wrong with that. Yes there is something seriously wrong with that: the titan pilot's corp/alliance. They need to be fired from the job. Ok let me throw up a senario here. Tell me what you think. TEST rolls into a system with a 200 man subcap fleet. The alliance that owns the system can field a maximum of 80 pilots. Currently they have a chance to defend themselves because we'll say they can field 6 Super carriers and 12 Carriers. After this patch, TEST can roll into that system and there is really very little the smaller alliance can do about it. The capitals become all but useless. The cycle times on capital reps make it stupid to choose them over logistics ships. So all in all, they lose everything because the people that don't have them are upset. Welcome to "Drake Online" First of all, drakes can still be hit by the nerfed fighters because theyre still freaking huge.
Secondly, that scenario goes more like this:
TEST rolls into a system with a 200 man subcap fleet. The alliance that owns the system can field a maximum of 80 pilots. Currently they all stay logged off or in station because they know as soon as they deploy their 6 Super carriers and 12 Carriers they'll get ganked by 5x their number of supercaps
After the patch . . . pretty much the same thing happens |

Sigras
Conglomo IMPERIAL LEGI0N
16
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Posted - 2011.10.11 07:50:00 -
[835] - Quote
Anile8er wrote:Otrovakruf wrote:There is one rule that everybody, except a few, seems to have forgotten! The most important rule of all!
If you can't afford to loose it, don't fly it!
and that goes for all ship classes and pilots. So stop complaining about you 80-120bil Titan or 20 something bil SC.
Your playing eve, Ships die, they are still gonna be hard to kill, but atleast we small guys have a chance to kill you now.
Good job CCP I can afford to loose my Nyx... thats why i use it. It's more that CCP is making my Nyx useless other than killing caps, and more so useless to me because I am not in a giant blob alliance, and I cant change into another ship. Oh no! you'll be forced to use the supercarrier to do what it was originally designed to do! the horror! the horror! |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
438
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Posted - 2011.10.11 07:51:00 -
[836] - Quote
Velin Dhal wrote:Then why doesn't everyone get max skills from day 1 ? Non sequitur.
Quote:SP is a measurement of power. No. It's a measurement of time. Domain-specific SP is a measurement of closeness to some ideal 100% equipment effectiveness. Total SP could possibly be a hint towards versatility, but the skill system is too varied for it to tell us anything in detail. GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |

Akara Ito
Eternity INC. Goonswarm Federation
21
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Posted - 2011.10.11 07:51:00 -
[837] - Quote
Velin Dhal wrote:Tippia wrote:Velin Dhal wrote:What I am saying here is that alliances with massive amounts of low SP toons will be able to completely dominate high SP toons This is a good thing. SP is not a measurement of power GÇö we are not playing an XP/Level/Class game here. Then why doesn't everyone get max skills from day 1 ? SP is a measurement of power. Thinking it isn't, is insanity. Given that if two players are max skilled at flying a hurricane it comes down to skill and fittings. If one player is max skilled and the other has barely enough SP to fly the ship, how can you say that SP is not a measurement of power in a situation like that ? Not only does SP affect what ships you can fly but it effects just about every modification you put on said ship.
SP is not completely useless but you need a lot more than "All V" to be successfull. And thats how its meant to be, a very good Pilot with an "All IV" char should beat a average or bad pilot with an "All V" char if they fly comparable ships. This is a bit of the problem with supers. Subcap fleets can be countered with all kinds of stuff, a counter fleet concept, a better fc on the other side, better intel, better pilot motivation/reshipping etc. It doesnt matter how large a subcap fleet is as the pure numbers are allways just an indicator and good FCs will beat larger fleets then they command for example. Supers are a bit more simple and while tactic helps, I havent yet seen a single fight beeing won by the faction that compensated less supers with superior tactics. The general idea of this nerf seems to be to keep supers, especially supercarrier, out of subcap fights, and that sounds good for me because the things I mentioned above are now going to be more important.
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Velin Dhal
Blood Phage Syndicate The Dominion Empire
6
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Posted - 2011.10.11 07:53:00 -
[838] - Quote
Sigras wrote:Anile8er wrote:Otrovakruf wrote:There is one rule that everybody, except a few, seems to have forgotten! The most important rule of all!
If you can't afford to loose it, don't fly it!
and that goes for all ship classes and pilots. So stop complaining about you 80-120bil Titan or 20 something bil SC.
Your playing eve, Ships die, they are still gonna be hard to kill, but atleast we small guys have a chance to kill you now.
Good job CCP I can afford to loose my Nyx... thats why i use it. It's more that CCP is making my Nyx useless other than killing caps, and more so useless to me because I am not in a giant blob alliance, and I cant change into another ship. Oh no! you'll be forced to use the supercarrier to do what it was originally designed to do! the horror! the horror!
If it was only originally designed to kill capitals, then why exactly can it do everything it can currently ? Its not as though they just threw them on the server without testing them on the test server. |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
438
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Posted - 2011.10.11 07:54:00 -
[839] - Quote
Velin Dhal wrote:If it was only originally designed to kill capitals, then why exactly can it do everything it can currently ? Because the implementation did not follow the design.
Quote:Its not as though they just threw them on the server without testing them on the test server. Actually, they kind of did GÇö people warned them about this, but it fell on deaf ears. GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |

Louis deGuerre
Malevolence. Void Alliance
32
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Posted - 2011.10.11 07:56:00 -
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CCP Tallest wrote:Confirming that logoff timer change is for all ships and not just capitals.
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