Actually since we're already missing 20% of eve's subscriber base due to the retardation of incarna, I wouldn't so sure that ever super cap pilot quiting wouldn't be noticed at this point.


They'd be big babies to quit, but just the same, saying they wouldn't be noticed is extremely short sighted considering the current server population levels.

Right, because no-one ever has minimum-skilled holding alts for their supercarriers when they want to do other stuff with their main?

Right?

I am.
He's claiming that they currently aren't of much use against support fleets. The biggest change here is that they will no longer be of much use against support fleets. Plus +ºa changeGǪ

If you are dumb enough to bring your over priced pirtate implants an 6% concord implants out of the hull that keeps them safe, then you go right ahead.

Yes, and you then go ahead and claim that because one aspect does not change, no aspect changes. And that is wrong.

Will pilots with the Fighter Bombers or (racial) Titan skills trained be reimbursed their skillpoints in normal drones, since those skills are now totally useless for supercapital pilots?

My Erebus pilot would like those drone skillpoints back.

Yes, and you then go ahead and claim that because one aspect does not change, no aspect changes. And that is wrong.

So what other aspects change, do you think?

Nothing changed, there is a thread with the title capital balance, but nothing is actually changing.

The problem as it sits right now, is too many people who have only watched supers in all their forms from the outside are attempting to talk like they actually know how the work, when in fact you are mostly clueless.

The day after this nerf, everything will be the same, only you'll be left trying to explain why you want things nerfed even more because you still have the same problems on your hands, because you do not understand the problems to begin with.

Quite. Which is why one has to ask: what is all the whinging about?

If you are dumb enough to bring your over priced pirtate implants an 6% concord implants out of the hull that keeps them safe, then you go right ahead.

Because an artificial limitation is being imposed on 3 ship types (dreads, supercarriers, titans) that now require them to have support because they can't launch a single 5 drone flight of light drones in their own defense, yet no other ship type needs fall under this hoakey limitation being put into place.

So in other words, things changeGǪ

Or, more accurately, things only change if you're doing it wrong GÇö ships that were envisioned as fleet ships now become fleet ships (which is no more of an artificial limitation than freighters having no offence or defence whatsoever). They're having their role defined more clearly. This rather sounds like a good thing.

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Carriers do not need a nerf. He is backing down from an accidental nerfing of a ship type that didn't need it.

Then give carriers are tracking buff to fighters, that way we still can still farm sanctums in our carriers.

So why is every other offensive capital ship being forced into the "Fleet Ship" profile except the carrier?

Shouldn't we remove its regular drones as well and require it to be fielded with support?


After all if you're changing the role of offensive capitals, change them all, don't leave one in its broken state.


They are broken right, thats why we're changing them?

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Yes but those three ship types can more or less defend themselves against other capital ships. A carrier can not. Where they require a support fleet against sub-cabs, carriers require a support fleet against supercaps. Dreads are the arguable exception, but personally I don't see why they can't keep at least a small drone bay.

Thank you CCP/goons/allies/alts.
Game is F.U.B.A.R

Its time for me to find an other game to spend my money on .

Bye

I never understood some ****** players why happy, when CCP changes to wrong direction something. Check weapon icons, 0.0 changes what need changes again because bad ideas.

Clap your hands buddies when capital nerf coming. :DDD

1. Supercarriers changes: The first problem is their too big damage output, but CCP nerfing their HP ???
2. Unuseable Dreads still unuseable. Who want bring dreads to fight, when 300-400 supercarrier blobs moving to kill them ?

3. Fighter nerf, made carriers unusable against sub-cap fleets, but CCP say, bring carriers against subfleets. LOL
We knew it always, they don't like drones and this is why they want to remove from caps. They got their chance to remove drones and say to player base, bring more man to fights instead of the drones, but everyone know that, if somebody bring more man he will bring more lag.
We know supcarriers problems is their damage output and they useable with blob without support, but CCP why need nerfing fighters ??? They want to nerfing carriers too with fighter changes ???

4. Titan nerf: Old supercarriers changes made titans unusable, titan pilots using them just for titanbridges, because too dangerous using them against supercap blobs.
But ccp idea more nerfing titans. LOL 3-4 supercarriers more useable than a single titan with same value. Who wanna use titans when too weak against SC hordes ?
Grab HD or dictor and catch a titan without danger, because drone removing. LOL
CCP read your backstories and chronicles from titans.

We know, need changes and rebalance but be smart and use brain and logic.

Supcarriers need damage nerf too for adding to chance to dread fleets.
Fighter changes will make carrier nerf not just for supcarrier. (Remove fighters from supers and not need fighter nerf, but CCP your idea will succes, because supers will need support.)
Need titan boost against supercarrier hordes and need scriptable DD.

So what other aspects change, do you think?