I like the idea of a mega that can go armor or shield. If the utility slot was moved to the mid instead of taking from the low 7(7)/5/7 layout be better? I think it would do its job better for the role.

The hype might do better with the new layout of 8(8)/4/6 if the armor repair bonus was increased to 10% like the Incursus once had. Larger reps would mean the need for the dual cap injection would be less manditory.

The Domi would be better as a utility ship if the drone and damage bonus was increased to +15%, remove a turret or two and increase the drone bay by 125m3 and give it a +1 to drones launched instead of the proposed optimal range and tracking bonus.

Just my thoughts.

There is no reason to brawl with this Domi, no reason to choose it over the other half dozen BS that have better survivability and damage (with bonus to match!).... I'm not even going to be so repetitive in mentioning that certain Amarr ship in comparison.

And loss of this function/role is only one of several.

yeah, because they have been turned into Gallente...

Just take a look at the Armageddon, it is now a Dominix / Bhaalghorn hybrid that resembles the Typhoon.

A 25% loss to blaster dps isn't irrelevant. And like Marxzo Andoun said you can always force a ship to be fit whatever way you like, but losing the explicit ship bonuses has a major affect on the overall performance and versatility of a ship. Also, you seemed to clearly ignore my second point that the Neut Domi is no longer a relevant option since the Armageddon is by far and away superior in this regard. The superiority of the Geddon is based on the fact that it now has such a strong set of nueting bonuses, but then again, like you said - apparently ship bonuses don't matter. Maybe I should start fitting my Megathron with Light missiles... because you know.. why the hell not?

domi is not going to change... its the new king slowcat... personally i am in love with it...

as for the mega... i would think a better rate of fire bonus and remove one gun so that its 6 turrets one utility high slot and then add back a low... i would like to see the tracking bonus replaced with a falloff but hey i can live without it...
now you can shield tank it and go nuts with nano or proper armor tank it... plus think nuetrons with null with a 50% increase in falloff?!?!?

as for the hype?
i would increase the damage bonus and reduce to 6 turrets take away a high slot and replace with a mid slot. include a cap activation redcution for the armor bonus...
so you now would have 7 high slots 6 turret
5 mid slots and 7 low slots...

true that i mean i can use sentry drones at 150km and do great dps...

surely you can use nuets out to that range and would not be a waisted bonus if you tried a simular setup on the geddon

As for the new Armageddon... I think you're overestimating the ship quite a bit.

Rails and blasters have been stolen by the Caldari, the Amarr have the better drone boats, active (armor) tanking is not realistic for pvp, and RSD's work great on ANY ship so It's time to embrace the 1 role the Gallente ships still excel at: HULL TANKING!

Gallente ships have the thickest hull, get rid of the Hypes active tank bonus, and give it +10% hull resists per level. This would give the Hype the ability to use all its mids and lows (minus 1 low slot for a damage control) for damage and mobility while still sporting a respectible eHP

I think you people are overestimating the geddon.

The true OP ship, in m opinion, is the apoc.

Great tracking, incredibly good dps projection (scorch be blessed), good speed and agility.

Gonna have a blast flying it :D

See underlines bad troll get back under your bridge



NO NO NO NO NO NO NO

150Km neuts are you smoking something just take a min and think about what you are saying...

If you do not understand me let me repeate

NO

As for the new Armageddon... I think you're overestimating the ship quite a bit.
SET of neuting bonuses? Let's be clear It has one and that's range.
That means you're getting a MAXIMUM of 38km neuting range (without faction gear) on a battleship that has 4 mid slots, destructible damage (drones), and an almost guaranteed passive tank.

It does not have a neut AMOUNT bonus like the Bhaalgorn, so stop making comparisons to it.
A Bhaalgorn will remove more cap than it takes to activate its neut. That (in addition to its capacitor) is why it does its job well.
The Armageddon is not that. If that were the case, you would have been seeing people using Neut Domis left right and center instead of the Bhaalgorns that everyone loves.

Scorch really needs a nerf bad.

*Sigh*

Prom thinking about balance purely in the 1 vs 1 arena again.


38km neuts will be a big deal and will make the geddon a very popular ship, when combined with new beam apocs or abaddons - you could probably leave your loki/rapier/huggin at home. The bonuses have just too much synergy and relevance in this current game and pretending that it's no big deal, and that you should just bumble through and that you suck if you can't make it work is annoying as hell.

Not at all. It has 5,500 more PWG than the Domi and will therefore be able to out-tank, and out-dps the Domi while also fitting 2x Heavy Neuts that reach to 35km. Bottom line, Prophecy does everything better than the Dominix EXCEPT "Sniper Domi".

In other words: Engagement envelope of Geddon: Huge. Engagement envelope of Domi: miniscule.

I'm not saying it won't be popular, I'm saying it won't be as amazing as many people are implying.
In the grand scheme I'd be VERY surpised if Battleship fighters really care about some heavy neuts with 12km more range.

Smaller ship classes already avoid the 25km heavy neut danger zone like the plague, and the same can be said for dealing with any Recons. The latter being ships that are far more threatening in a roaming fleet than a fleet BS will ever be.

The day I start seeing people regularly roaming around in gangs with BS in them again, is the day I will applaud CCP.
As far as FLEET situations go, 38km means nothing to a battleship.

Scorch really needs a nerf bad.

from a 0.0 ratting perspective the domi is better...

It really boils down to risk aversion. Why bring a BS when you can bring something far more agile and better speed to turn avoid an actual fight with an almost identical damage profile?

In what sense? I've never had an issue hitting rats with drones.

*Battleship fighters* won't - but i'm sure t1/t2 logistics, HIC's and tacklers will. :/

The mere fact that a BS has neut bonuses (and unbonused highs on the domi to boot) will generally guarantee MORE neuts, fist ******* active tanking further. From my point of view, that's the grand scheme of things.

http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Turret_damage
better optimal range and tracking means higher chance to hit...
specially on those pesky npc hacs...
garde II will be much better now on the domi...

One last thing to mention: Personally, I really think sentry drones should move some, even if its only to return to bay. We need to talk some more about this internally and look at ways it can actually be implemented, but a change to this effect could have a very positive impact on the Dominix and I don't think its a very unrealistic goal.

Again, never had a problem. In any case, we're at "sniper domi" and shooting npc hacs. Anything else?

Everything else goes in favor of the Geddon.

Saying the geddon is detrimental to active tanking like saying the Tempest is guilty of the same thing.
The cap being removed is the same. The levels of tank and damage are similar. The only difference is 12km and tunnel vision people seem to be stuck with.

And the roaming BS comment was saying that geddons WOULDNT be a threat to roaming gangs and such because very very few people fly around in Battleships. If they were, then CCP would have done some magic, hence my applause.

Scorch is one of the few things keeping lasers competitive with projectiles.