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Temai
The Scope
0
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Posted - 2013.06.01 12:57:00 -
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Do Want.
looks awsome. dont think it will happen thou
- Temai - Lost in Space looking for a Home dreaming of building outpost's acrross EVE - |

Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
771
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Posted - 2013.06.01 14:28:00 -
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Christ !! This thing looks really good.
*removed inappropriate ASCII art signature* - CCP Eterne |

Stjaerna Ramundson
Unknown Dimension Alpha Volley Union
18
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Posted - 2013.06.01 16:00:00 -
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beautiful  1. Eigenen Beitrag mit sachliche Argumentationen, Problemschilderung, Erkl+ñrung, L+¦sungsans+ñtzen formulieren. 2. Beitrag enth+ñlt eine eigene Meinung im Fazit zum Thema. 3. Negative +äu+ƒerungen, Drohungen usw. gegen++ber Nutzern haben in der Meinung nichts zu suchen. |

Jerick Ludhowe
Error-404
460
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Posted - 2013.06.01 16:17:00 -
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ExAstra wrote:This minus the ridiculously lego block looks nice in my opinion. Also those quad rear thrusters are "Meh" and can go. We only need the ring of thrusters and the fore mounted aux thrusters.
Agreed that it has an overly lego look to it however the more "streamlined" look to it is visually appealing. I disagree with ya about the quad rear thrusters tho, I really like them on that updated Hyperion Concept.
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ExAstra
Echoes of Silence
137
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Posted - 2013.06.01 16:34:00 -
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Jerick Ludhowe wrote:ExAstra wrote:This minus the ridiculously lego block looks nice in my opinion. Also those quad rear thrusters are "Meh" and can go. We only need the ring of thrusters and the fore mounted aux thrusters. Agreed that it has an overly lego look to it however the more "streamlined" look to it is visually appealing. I disagree with ya about the quad rear thrusters tho, I really like them on that updated Hyperion Concept. They'd be okay if they weren't so blocky. The Hyperion should be smooth to the touch the whole ship over, and those thrusters on the back stick out from the ship a bit much and are too square. Obviously the best part of the design are the primary thrusters given the connected ring, with the streamlined slant. That really sells the whole thing.
I'm also incredibly surprised that you guys haven't seen it before. Save the drones! |

Yaturi
The Scope Gallente Federation
7
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Posted - 2013.06.01 17:14:00 -
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When I think of pure drone ship, I see these bonuses applied.
Dominix
Gallente Battleship Skill Bonuses: +10% Drone Damage and Drone hitpoints +10% Drone optimal range and Drone tracking speed
Role Bonus: 1000% bonus to Remote Armor Repair System range 100% bonus to Logistic Drone repair amount
And add a larger drone bay, we're supposed to be flying battleships aren't we
Notice I didn't put in any remote rep cap bonuses. It still has to juggle between drone and cap mods to be effective in a fleet. This ship is also limited by complete destruction of its dps. It spare highs could have neuts though.
I would go so far as to say zero turrets but you need one in order to activate assisted drones. Thats another thing CCP needs to work on. There needs to be module buttoning of drones on the hud in order to activate assisted fleet drones, or something to that effect.
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J A Aloysiusz
Precision Strike Brigade Angeli Mortis
15
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Posted - 2013.06.01 23:57:00 -
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Would it not make more sense to have the Hyperion as the attack battleship? An active tank would complement the role, since it does not penalize speed/mobility. And on the flip side, the Megathron has 8 lows and will likely be fit triple plated and triple trimarked, greatly reducing the mobile aspect of the "attack" role.
And really, the hyperion looks wa-ha-hay more aerodynamic than the megathron. Not that that makes a difference in space (I'm looking at you, vagabond!), but it's got more thrusters too. |

Kenrailae
Mind Games. Suddenly Spaceships.
11
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Posted - 2013.06.02 00:17:00 -
[2648] - Quote
Not sure what to think of the Ring on that Hyperion Model. It looks cool, but it also doesn't feel functional. Granted, many Eve ship models are NOT know for their functional appearance.... See Burst for example.
That being said, THAT has a much stronger, more cohesive design, a much stronger presence if you will, than the current Hyperion Model.
The Law is a point of View |

Stjaerna Ramundson
Unknown Dimension Alpha Volley Union
18
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Posted - 2013.06.02 01:47:00 -
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Yaturi wrote:When I think of pure drone ship, I see these bonuses applied.
Dominix
Gallente Battleship Skill Bonuses: +10% Drone Damage and Drone hitpoints +10% Drone optimal range and Drone tracking speed
Role Bonus: 150% bonus to Remote Armor Repair System range 20% bonus to Logistic Drone repair amount
Larger drone bay is a must too.
Notice I didn't put in any remote rep cap bonuses. It still has to juggle between drone and cap mods to be effective in a fleet. This ship is also limited by complete destruction of its dps. It spare highs could have neuts though.
I would go so far as to say zero turrets but you need one in order to activate assisted drones. Thats another thing CCP needs to work on. There needs to be module buttoning of drones on the hud in order to activate assisted fleet drones, or something to that effect.
I would put this idea to the navy version :) 1. Eigenen Beitrag mit sachliche Argumentationen, Problemschilderung, Erkl+ñrung, L+¦sungsans+ñtzen formulieren. 2. Beitrag enth+ñlt eine eigene Meinung im Fazit zum Thema. 3. Negative +äu+ƒerungen, Drohungen usw. gegen++ber Nutzern haben in der Meinung nichts zu suchen. |

Eliniale
Co-operative Resource Extraction
145
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Posted - 2013.06.02 11:05:00 -
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Please leave the hyperion alone. It's fine as it is.
Making a model desgined to carry eight guns carry only six is just silly.
It doesn't need more drones, it doesn't need less mids, it doesn't need a utility high, and it most certainly doesn't need another low.
The powergrid it can use, but again it doesn't need it. certainly not if you're going to be decreasing the number of guns.
So in essence you borked this on up completely. I'm good with the mega and domi changes though. (although making the domi even slower is anoying, with the added tank it makes sense) System ideas: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=191928&find=unread |
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DeLindsay
Galaxies Fall
194
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Posted - 2013.06.02 11:43:00 -
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Quote:I secretly hope that the hyperion gets a polish like the Stabber did. I fear that it only gets a slight polish though. We'll see what the future brings for the Hyperion, if it gets a new design that's as good as it's new stats then I will be very happy. Yeah as it sits now the Hype is a giant plastic arm looking thing. It's skin is terrible.
Quote:Please leave the hyperion alone. It's fine as it is.
Making a model desgined to carry eight guns carry only six is just silly.
It doesn't need more drones, it doesn't need less mids, it doesn't need a utility high, and it most certainly doesn't need another low.
The powergrid it can use, but again it doesn't need it. certainly not if you're going to be decreasing the number of guns.
So in essence you borked this on up completely.
You obviously have no concept of how to fly the Hype properly. The changes are looking to actually be a little too OP, but hell I'm not complaining. The Operative:-á"There are a lot of innocent people being killed in the air right now".
Capt. Malcolm Reynolds:-á"You have no idea how true that is". |

ExAstra
Echoes of Silence
141
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Posted - 2013.06.02 12:04:00 -
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Borderline OP Hyperion is best Hyperion. Don't care if they won't make fleet doctrines for it if I can rampage across low sec with it. Save the drones! |

TehCloud
Carnivore Company
49
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Posted - 2013.06.02 12:14:00 -
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ExAstra wrote:Borderline OP Hyperion is best Hyperion. Don't care if they won't make fleet doctrines for it if I can rampage across low sec with it.
Wouldn't call it borderline OP, you can't field Ogre IIs unless you forsaken any chance of ever killing a frigate and you already lost some DPS with the 2 less turrets.
It will be one hell of a solo BS though. My Condor costs less than that module! |

ExAstra
Echoes of Silence
141
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Posted - 2013.06.02 12:25:00 -
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TehCloud wrote:ExAstra wrote:Borderline OP Hyperion is best Hyperion. Don't care if they won't make fleet doctrines for it if I can rampage across low sec with it. It will be one hell of a solo BS though. Like I said in a previous post, we took one down on SiSi, but.. it just refused to go. Actually here you go (I removed the ammo and stuff so you can just see how it was fit):
2013.05.10 09:47:00
Victim: synlink Corp: Tr0pa de elite. Alliance: Pandemic Legion Faction: Unknown Destroyed: Hyperion System: 6-CZ49 Security: -0.2 Damage Taken: 186892
Involved parties:
Name: ExAstra (laid the final blow) Security: 5.00 Corp: Echoes of Silence Alliance: Kraken. Faction: None Ship: Megathron Weapon: Neutron Blaster Cannon II Damage Done: 47893
Name: Denis10 Security: 5.0 Corp: XD LOL XD Alliance: None Faction: None Ship: Vindicator Weapon: 'Integrated' Hornet Damage Done: 45879
Name: Cpt Ventura Security: 5.0 Corp: M-A-T-R-I-X ACADEMY Alliance: M-A-T-R-I-X Allianz Faction: None Ship: Vindicator Weapon: Vindicator Damage Done: 37626
Name: Liafcipe9000 Security: -1.6 Corp: Smeghead Empire Alliance: None Faction: None Ship: Megathron Navy Issue Weapon: Megathron Navy Issue Damage Done: 36550
Name: Constapatris Security: -6.4 Corp: Southern Cross Trilogy Alliance: None Faction: None Ship: Apocalypse Weapon: Curator II Damage Done: 13720
Name: SMT008 Security: 4.6 Corp: SnaiLs aNd FroGs Alliance: None Faction: None Ship: Moros Weapon: Limited Mega Ion Siege Blaster I Damage Done: 5079
Name: Mr Yakudza Security: -9.9 Corp: DAB Alliance: Black Legion. Faction: None Ship: Erebus Weapon: Limited Mega Ion Siege Blaster I Damage Done: 145
Name: Era'kanath Security: 5.0 Corp: 9th Fleet-Seraphins Alliance: Gold-Plate Industries Faction: None Ship: Avatar Weapon: Dual Modal Giga Pulse Laser I Damage Done: 0
Destroyed items:
Prototype 100MN Microwarpdrive I Large Anti-Explosive Pump II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I Ion Blaster Cannon II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Large Auxiliary Nano Pump II Large Auxiliary Nano Pump II Neutron Blaster Cannon II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Dropped items:
Damage Control II Warp Scrambler II Ion Blaster Cannon II Large Ancillary Armor Repairer Heavy Capacitor Booster II Neutron Blaster Cannon II Large Armor Repairer II Neutron Blaster Cannon II Ion Blaster Cannon II Heavy Capacitor Booster II Medium Diminishing Power System Drain I Reactive Armor Hardener
Save the drones! |

TehCloud
Carnivore Company
49
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Posted - 2013.06.02 12:46:00 -
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I dare to say that boosters and probably a slaveset were involved in that fight. But yes, it is one extremly strong ship if active tanked.
The Tank is strong, but the DPS aren't that great. But I happily trade some DPS for a utility high. A Heavy Neut can be worth so much :)
Can't wait for the changes to happen :3 My Condor costs less than that module! |

Phoenix Torp
Almost Absolute
15
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Posted - 2013.06.02 13:28:00 -
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In another game the best solo-ship would be the best gang-ship. Here... NOT. It's surrealist. The Abaddon and the Rokh are the best solo-ships and also are the most used BS's for large blobs in 0.0 because his EHP, either armor or shield, as is a bonus that makes a ship really powerful, no matter if repped or not. Here... CCP has said so many times to extend the game for gangs, and make the game less profitable for a solo-player, that got you think in a ship in matters of solo-gang performance. It's plain stupid. Please, forget to think that Gallente is OP as it's the most useless thing I have ever read in these forums.
https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/7470221568/h5C69A434/ http://eveboard.com/pilot/Phoenix_Torp |

Jerick Ludhowe
Error-404
460
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Posted - 2013.06.03 09:57:00 -
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TehCloud wrote:ExAstra wrote:Borderline OP Hyperion is best Hyperion. Don't care if they won't make fleet doctrines for it if I can rampage across low sec with it. Wouldn't call it borderline OP, you can't field Ogre IIs unless you forsaken any chance of ever killing a frigate and you already lost some DPS with the 2 less turrets. It will be one hell of a solo BS though.
You obviously don't know what you're talking about.
Hyperion has 50m3 extra bay (after fitting 5x heavies) and a heavy nuet. The ship also has received a low slot that if used for a dmg mod allows the 6 turret hyperion with 50% dmg bonus to dish more than the old 8 turret hyperion of the past in armor setup.
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ExAstra
Echoes of Silence
143
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Posted - 2013.06.03 11:24:00 -
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TehCloud wrote:I dare to say that boosters and probably a slaveset were involved in that fight. But yes, it is one extremly strong ship if active tanked.
The Tank is strong, but the DPS aren't that great. But I happily trade some DPS for a utility high. A Heavy Neut can be worth so much :)
Can't wait for the changes to happen :3
/edit: forgot Off-Grid Boosters. It's entirely possible. Though on Duality I never lost in a 1 on 1 with my Hyperion to another battleship, even some that were fitted specifically against me. My fit was slightly unconventional but hell did it work.
Even so, boosters aren't too uncommon for small gang pvp, where the Hyperion still shines brightly. I don't think it will see much use in large fleets but the Megathron I am almost certain will be seen more in large fleets, albeit it may not become a staple.
Or probably won't, rather. Save the drones! |

Mother Drone
Transcendent Breed
4
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Posted - 2013.06.03 11:51:00 -
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ExAstra wrote:TehCloud wrote:I dare to say that boosters and probably a slaveset were involved in that fight. But yes, it is one extremly strong ship if active tanked.
The Tank is strong, but the DPS aren't that great. But I happily trade some DPS for a utility high. A Heavy Neut can be worth so much :)
Can't wait for the changes to happen :3
/edit: forgot Off-Grid Boosters. It's entirely possible. Though on Duality I never lost in a 1 on 1 with my Hyperion to another battleship, even some that were fitted specifically against me. My fit was slightly unconventional but hell did it work. Even so, boosters aren't too uncommon for small gang pvp, where the Hyperion still shines brightly. I don't think it will see much use in large fleets but the Megathron I am almost certain will be seen more in large fleets, albeit it may not become a staple. Or probably won't, rather.
Two things: Duality. Arranged 1vs.1. Nothing more to say about your "experience".
Now start playing "real" EvE low-sec and come back ... Pr0 tip for all wannabe EFT warrior: even an awsome solo battleship is worthless when solo battleship fights are non existent / instant death.
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Jerick Ludhowe
Error-404
460
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Posted - 2013.06.03 12:59:00 -
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Mother Drone wrote:
Two things: Duality. Arranged 1vs.1. Nothing more to say about your "experience".
Now start playing "real" EvE low-sec and come back ... Pr0 tip for all wannabe EFT warrior: even an awsome solo battleship is worthless when solo battleship fights are non existent / instant death.
Hyperion is good for lowsec in its current form and will be amazing after the odyssey changes... I don't know how you could say "now start playing "real" eve low-sec" ect ect... The reality is that the hyperion has every little advantage an active armor tanker could have. It's got a massive tank, good dps 1k-1.1k, a utility high for nueting frigates, and 50m3 spare bay for dealing with frigs or for ecm drones....
I guarantee you that you will be seeing many "solo" Hyperions after the patch. I also guarantee you that taking a Solo fit hyperion with pills will be anything other than "instant death". The survivability shown by the new hyperion against multiple bs, some fitting nuets, is a great indicator of it's overall worthiness in it's role.
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TehCloud
Carnivore Company
49
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Posted - 2013.06.03 13:08:00 -
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Hyperion will NOT be awesome for solo pvp in lowsec for one special reason:
It lacks a midslot. You either have to play without a propmod, allowing you to fit neutrons, or you play without ECCM, which means a griffin alone could be your demise.
On paper, the ship is awesome, but ingame it's easy to counter. A still remains aa strong ship, but as I said it's easy to counter. My Condor costs less than that module! |

Jerick Ludhowe
Error-404
460
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Posted - 2013.06.03 13:22:00 -
[2662] - Quote
TehCloud wrote:Hyperion will NOT be awesome for solo pvp in lowsec for one special reason:
It lacks a midslot. You either have to play without a propmod, allowing you to fit neutrons, or you play without ECCM, which means a griffin alone could be your demise.
On paper, the ship is awesome, but ingame it's easy to counter. A still remains aa strong ship, but as I said it's easy to counter.
So wait, 6 or more mids are now required for an armor ship to be viable in solo pvp? What a ******* joke of a rebuttal....
As for it being easy to counter... Going to be far harder to counter than a Sleipnir or Maelstrom due to far more drones and a heavy nuet. Both The sleipnir and Maelstrom have done bang up jobs in lowsec.
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ExAstra
Echoes of Silence
144
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Posted - 2013.06.03 14:18:00 -
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Jerick Ludhowe wrote:TehCloud wrote:Hyperion will NOT be awesome for solo pvp in lowsec for one special reason:
It lacks a midslot. You either have to play without a propmod, allowing you to fit neutrons, or you play without ECCM, which means a griffin alone could be your demise.
On paper, the ship is awesome, but ingame it's easy to counter. A still remains aa strong ship, but as I said it's easy to counter. So wait, 6 or more mids are now required for an armor ship to be viable in solo pvp? What a ******* joke of a rebuttal.... As for it being easy to counter... Going to be far harder to counter than a Sleipnir or Maelstrom due to far more drones and a heavy nuet. Both The sleipnir and Maelstrom have done bang up jobs in lowsec. Leave it man, the changes are going through regardless of what they believe. They can whine as they like. Save the drones! |

Bouh Revetoile
TIPIAKS
340
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Posted - 2013.06.03 18:48:00 -
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I guess a ship will never be OP enough for some people to be worth flying... |

Perihelion Olenard
171
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Posted - 2013.06.03 21:29:00 -
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TehCloud wrote:Hyperion will NOT be awesome for solo pvp in lowsec for one special reason:
It lacks a midslot. You either have to play without a propmod, allowing you to fit neutrons, or you play without ECCM, which means a griffin alone could be your demise.
On paper, the ship is awesome, but ingame it's easy to counter. A still remains aa strong ship, but as I said it's easy to counter. Sounds like you need to hop in a navy Dominix if you really need six mids to solo in an armor-tanking ship. I wear my sunglasses at night. |

TehCloud
Carnivore Company
49
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Posted - 2013.06.04 05:38:00 -
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Perihelion Olenard wrote:TehCloud wrote:Hyperion will NOT be awesome for solo pvp in lowsec for one special reason:
It lacks a midslot. You either have to play without a propmod, allowing you to fit neutrons, or you play without ECCM, which means a griffin alone could be your demise.
On paper, the ship is awesome, but ingame it's easy to counter. A still remains aa strong ship, but as I said it's easy to counter. Sounds like you need to hop in a navy Dominix if you really need six mids to solo in an armor-tanking ship.
All I'm saying with that is, you will get killed easily, because you have to either fly without a propmod, or without eccm, if theres a BB or a Falcon and you have no eccm, the fight's already over.
My Condor costs less than that module! |

ExAstra
Echoes of Silence
147
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Posted - 2013.06.04 11:17:00 -
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The fight's also over if you get hot dropped, or run into a really well organized gate camp. Or a small gang with heavy logistics support. Or a 50 man frigate fleet.
Better not undock, I guess. Save the drones! |

Jerick Ludhowe
Error-404
465
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Posted - 2013.06.04 12:25:00 -
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TehCloud wrote:Perihelion Olenard wrote:TehCloud wrote:Hyperion will NOT be awesome for solo pvp in lowsec for one special reason:
It lacks a midslot. You either have to play without a propmod, allowing you to fit neutrons, or you play without ECCM, which means a griffin alone could be your demise.
On paper, the ship is awesome, but ingame it's easy to counter. A still remains aa strong ship, but as I said it's easy to counter. Sounds like you need to hop in a navy Dominix if you really need six mids to solo in an armor-tanking ship. All I'm saying with that is, you will get killed easily, because you have to either fly without a propmod, or without eccm, if theres a BB or a Falcon and you have no eccm, the fight's already over.
Dude, the fight is more or less over in any ship if you're solo and a hostile gang you're fighting has heavy ecm support....
You're just bringing up over the top extremes in an attempt to disprove that the Hyperion is going to be beast mode solo ship...
Lucky for us (the non idiots) it's patch day and we can start trolling the space lanes in our new 2k+ tank hyperions with over the top drone bays, utility high, and 1.1k dps. |

TehCloud
Carnivore Company
49
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Posted - 2013.06.04 15:23:00 -
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Jerick Ludhowe wrote:TehCloud wrote:Perihelion Olenard wrote:TehCloud wrote:Hyperion will NOT be awesome for solo pvp in lowsec for one special reason:
It lacks a midslot. You either have to play without a propmod, allowing you to fit neutrons, or you play without ECCM, which means a griffin alone could be your demise.
On paper, the ship is awesome, but ingame it's easy to counter. A still remains aa strong ship, but as I said it's easy to counter. Sounds like you need to hop in a navy Dominix if you really need six mids to solo in an armor-tanking ship. All I'm saying with that is, you will get killed easily, because you have to either fly without a propmod, or without eccm, if theres a BB or a Falcon and you have no eccm, the fight's already over. Dude, the fight is more or less over in any ship if you're solo and a hostile gang you're fighting has heavy ecm support.... You're just bringing up over the top extremes in an attempt to disprove that the Hyperion is going to be beast mode solo ship... Lucky for us (the non idiots) it's patch day and we can start trolling the space lanes in our new 2k+ tank hyperions with over the top drone bays, utility high, and 1.1k dps.
Hyperion is a great solo ship, i never denied that. I just said it's not as awesome as people think it to be, and by no means OP, since it can be counterd easily. Almost every lowsec fights ends in ecm spam, this kills the ship, but to be fair, that kills most ships.
@ExAstra, almost every little lowsec guy has ecm either fitted, or drones, or an alt in a falcon. Being hotdropped or getting into a gang is far less frequently, though not uncommon :3 My Condor costs less than that module! |

drake duka
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
14
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Posted - 2013.06.04 16:32:00 -
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TehCloud wrote:Jerick Ludhowe wrote:TehCloud wrote:Perihelion Olenard wrote:TehCloud wrote:Hyperion will NOT be awesome for solo pvp in lowsec for one special reason:
It lacks a midslot. You either have to play without a propmod, allowing you to fit neutrons, or you play without ECCM, which means a griffin alone could be your demise.
On paper, the ship is awesome, but ingame it's easy to counter. A still remains aa strong ship, but as I said it's easy to counter. Sounds like you need to hop in a navy Dominix if you really need six mids to solo in an armor-tanking ship. All I'm saying with that is, you will get killed easily, because you have to either fly without a propmod, or without eccm, if theres a BB or a Falcon and you have no eccm, the fight's already over. Dude, the fight is more or less over in any ship if you're solo and a hostile gang you're fighting has heavy ecm support.... You're just bringing up over the top extremes in an attempt to disprove that the Hyperion is going to be beast mode solo ship... Lucky for us (the non idiots) it's patch day and we can start trolling the space lanes in our new 2k+ tank hyperions with over the top drone bays, utility high, and 1.1k dps. Hyperion is a great solo ship, i never denied that. I just said it's not as awesome as people think it to be, and by no means OP, since it can be counterd easily. Almost every lowsec fights ends in ecm spam, this kills the ship, but to be fair, that kills most ships. @ExAstra, almost every little lowsec guy has ecm either fitted, or drones, or an alt in a falcon. Being hotdropped or getting into a gang is far less frequently, though not uncommon :3 /edit: I like how people react as if I'd claim the hyperion is a bad ship, i love this ship already and now even more. I just say how it is, the ship is strong, but easy to counter. These are problems with solo pvp (especially bs) in general. Any single ship is countered easily, very obvious. You have to compare it to other solo bs to see how it performs relative to them.
Hyperion will be extremely strong relative to its peers. Since solo nano-bs isn't a possibility except for mach or tempest (lol), hype will be by far the best solo bs.
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