That Naomi character is one pretty special snowflake alright. Added to my block posts list.

Non-sense stuff about Winmatar.

Winmatar is dead. You are still living in 2011, where rifters, thrashers and ruptures reigned supreme and hurricanes were good.

Nobody flies rifters any more.

Algos and Dragoon made thrasher look lilke a tame little dog.

Ruptures are becoming an extinct species.

Cane has been repeatedly hit in the head.

The roaming gangs are vexors/mallers with augurors/exequrors atm. Minmatar occupy at best support roles like webbing/tacking.

Only selling point of "winmatar" is that webbing and high alpha of arties atm.

Welcome to 2013

I highly HIGHLY dislike the fact that the Typhoon won't be able to have any sensible proj turret fits. It's minmatar! If i wanted to launch missiles at people i would go caldari.

Give the Typhoon 6 Proj turret slots.
Remove the missile bonuses ENTIRELY and add some target painting and/or EWAR/web drone bonuses.

For example:

Minmatar Battleship Skill Bonuses:
7.5% bonus to Target Painter effectiveness
+10% bonus to EWAR, Combat utility and Logistic drone effectiveness

I know you want more people to try your new shiny missiles but don't FORCE us to use them. Make the trashcan can a wonderful flexible utility thingybob - the above would be a logical progression from the vigil and the bellicose with some extra drones and minmatar pew pew if we so choose!

The non-combat drones need a LOT of love! <3

Winmatar is dead. You are still living in 2011, where rifters, thrashers and ruptures reigned supreme and hurricanes were good.

Nobody flies rifters any more.

Algos and Dragoon made thrasher look lilke a tame little dog.

Ruptures are becoming an extinct species.

Cane has been repeatedly hit in the head.

The roaming gangs are vexors/mallers with augurors/exequrors atm. Minmatar occupy at best support roles like webbing/tacking.

Only selling point of "winmatar" is that webbing and high alpha of arties atm.

Welcome to 2013

Yep heh. Which is why it needs an improved combined damage bonus alongside a falloff bonus and some extra agility tweaks. CCP Rise, make it happen please. :)

Falloff bonus is not the way to go because the tornado already has it and the tornado have higher damage and higher mobility.

Tempest:

Minmatar Battleship Skill Bonuses:
+8.5% bonus to Large Projectile Turret rate of fire
+5% bonus to Large Projectile Turret falloff

Slot layout: 8H, 5M, 6L; 6 turrets , 4 launchers
Fittings: 16000 PWG, 550 CPU
Defense (shields / armor / hull) : 6900 (-100) / 6900 (-400) / 6800
Capacitor (amount / recharge rate / cap per second) : 5400 / 1154s / 4.68
Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / align time): 130 (+10) / .11 (-0.1) / 101050000 / ??
Drones (bandwidth / bay): 75 / 75
Targeting (max targeting range / Scan Resolution / Max Locked targets): 67.5km / 100 / 7
Sensor strength: 20 Ladar Sensor Strength
Signature radius: 350 (-10)

Seeing as tiers have now been removed completely from the game, why exactly should the Mael, which is much stronger EHP wise, also be able out damage the Tempest, therefore always leaving the Tempest in a poor second place. I think this paradigm is the possible cause of the Tempests current issue.

By combining bonuses and giving a 8.5% rate of fire bonus instead this is what you are looking at in terms of sustained dps when looking at projectiles taking 100% as the max.

Mael - 100%
Tornado - 100%
Tempest - 98%

So the sustained Dps of the Tempest is just below that of the Tornado and Mael. Then when you take into account the two utilities you will be doing more sustained dps over a period of time.

Now looking at alpha damage this is how it looks with again 100% as the max.

Mael - 100%
Tornado - 100%
Tempest - 75%

So clear roles are evident here now. If you want sustained dps with a mobile hull then the Tempest is now looking very attractive. If you want alpha then you want to go for the mael or the tornado.

Now the falloff bonus is included as the Tempest is an attack BS, and so kiting will be the predominant tactic, this bonus fits that role perfectly with either autos or artillery.

With a proposal along these lines you are getting clear roles for each BS. I haven't calulated where the Typhoon fits in here, but I assume it is putting out even more dps due to its relatively weaker hull as it quite rightly should do. And obviously being a missile ship there is little overlap between the projectile firing Tempest.

If any further nerfs are needed then I would drop EHP further if deemed necessary, although a modicum of EHP will be required as it is intended to kite so will still be sustaining damage despite being able to perhaps mitigate some. But perhaps with this level of dps some reduction may be needed to offset the damage.

But in essence what you will have is a very clear roles.

If you want mobile projectile based dps, then you would choose the Tempest.
If you want sniping, then you go for the Tornado.
If you want fleet ship with heavy tank, good sustained dps and alpha, but a slow hull to compensate, then you have the Mael.
If you want mobile missile based dps, then you go for the Typhoon.

That is why the Tempest needs an 8.5% rate of fire bonus instead of the current bonuses. Did you see my post with the suggestion? I will link it again as its quite far back now in the thread.

Mm had an idea.. sicne the geddon can get secodnary ewar bonus...


Take your very proposal with 8.5% rof... but change that falloff bonus to WEB RANGE BONUS.

And I buy it... !!!

A web range bonus would be soooooo overpowered.

Attack battleships

I may post this in every thread.

Anybody feel these are a little lacking in their role.

The Mega may be an exception due to itGÇÖs opportunity for massive close range DPS but generally these feel like they should be on the move and yet seem to have cap problems doing so, this is not so much a problem for combat battleships that may end up in scram range or as fleet platforms where mobility is just one factor.

Attack frigates have a role bonus over combat frigates, this helps them maintain tackle and speed by reducing the cap draw of propulsion disruption modules. At battleship level such a bonus would make very little difference but at battleship level, no ship can run a Microwarpdrive for any significant period of time.

How would people feel about a cap reduction role bonus for propulsion modules for all Attack Battleships? Even something as strong as 50% or even 75% to enable these ships to stay on the move (as much as battleships can) without constant cap boosting.

Neat idea, but not in a T1 hull.

Edit: Also horrible idea posting this in these threads, off topic and if people (such as myself) reply you are forcing the talk into 4 different threads. Put this as a new topic.

How would people feel about a cap reduction role bonus for propulsion modules for all Attack Battleships? Even something as strong as 50% or even 75% to enable these ships to stay on the move (as much as battleships can) without constant cap boosting.

Idea not bad, BUT, it's going to degenerate in a nano abuse quickly :)

A web range bonus would be soooooo overpowered.

Wow overall I will have to say these BS got the most love of any of the races in this patch. All great ships, that simply isn't the case for the other races proposed changes.

i would be very happy if CCP switches tempest and typhoon speed (or make them both 130 base speed) even at the expense of some HP, i like the slot layout of the tempest, ofc i would like an extra low or med but since the number of slot for every ship type is fixed i dont think its worth to give up a high, since CCP its going crazy with ship bonus i would give the tempest a +5% rof +7.5% damage maybe at the expense of some drone space make it 25mb 50m space, they would give the thing a 10% edge over other ships as an alpha platform and make the thing a real gankboat like every double damage bonused ships should be.

The double damage bonus is really weak. It's marginally better than a 10% damage bonus that is thrown around as crazy, and it apparently is the one attack ship that is lacking a damage-application bonus,

i would be very happy if CCP switches tempest and typhoon speed (or make them both 130 base speed) even at the expense of some HP, i like the slot layout of the tempest, ofc i would like an extra low or med but since the number of slot for every ship type is fixed i dont think its worth to give up a high, since CCP its going crazy with ship bonus i would give the tempest a +5% rof +7.5% damage maybe at the expense of some drone space make it 25mb 50m space, they would give the thing a 10% edge over other ships as an alpha platform and make the thing a real gankboat like every double damage bonused ships should be.

Minmatar Battleship Skill Bonuses:
+8% bonus to Large Projectile Turret rate of fire
+10% bonus to Large Projectile Falloff

Slot layout: 7H, 6M, 6L; 6 turrets , 4 launchers
Fittings: 17000 PWG, 650 CPU
Defense (shields / armor / hull) : 7300 / 7400 / 6400
Capacitor (amount / recharge rate / cap per second) : 5400(+87.5) / 1154s / 4.68
Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / align time): 120 / .104 / 101000000
Drones (bandwidth / bay): 75 / 75
Targeting (max targeting range / Scan Resolution / Max Locked targets): 67.5km(+5k) / 100 / 7
Sensor strength: 20 Ladar Sensor Strength(+1)
Signature radius: 360(+20)