So i logged on again today to have a better look at the scanning.... things

Anomalies no longer appear on probe or on board scanner. Only way to access them is via this fancy new scanner. Furthermore, we only see the sig number (ABC-123) visually and we have to mouseover in order to know what kind of anomaly it is.

So... let me get this straight.. I am jumping into a wormhole with 20+ anomalies and... i am supposed to start looking around like a 10yr old with goggles to bookmark them? Then mouseover to tell the combat sites from the grav ladar... then look again to make sure i didn't miss any? Get serious ffs. Whoever designed this thing clearly doesn't play the same game as us

Updates sound very nice, I think this feature will be great :)


Further up, buried between a couple hundred whine posts :p

It has been said a thousand times, and I will say it again "The only thing we wanted was probe formations"

After some testing today and after a bunch of trips down the electrified intestines of doom (the new jump scene)

1. I'm at a gate and dropped pinpoint probes. I can see my probes in space around me but on the map they are already centered at the sun. I don't want them centered there, if I had I would have dropped them there. Sometimes for PvP sake I need to drop probes where I'm at and quickly be ready to scan where I am (getting ready for incoming punt for a hostile fleet in warp to me but likely to land at a tac.) Now I have to move the probes back to me on the map. Bottom line the probes in the solar system map should show up where you deployed them from.

A dev addressed this earlier and if you were paying attention on Sisi you would notice this from the overview -- when you launch probes they are still at your ship -- it is just that in the solar system view they start at the sun by default until you click the scan button. They said they were reconsidering this, but it is purely cosmetic not functional change.

If you would have read all the way through his post you would have seen that he wants them to stay by his ship on the map view so he can do on grid scanning.

Either way a cosmetic change for the sake of a change is a poor use of time: Time that could have been spent improving an existing system versus creating something new that no one asked for.

Let us be clear, many many people do not like what they currently seeing on SiSi. On the other hand many do like the direction the dev team is going. You cannot please all the people all the time. So let us take stock:

How could the dev team have proceeded when tasked with doing something with scanning. Two options come to mind. First they could have posted a survey asking for feedback. Second they could have started a feedback thread asking for ideas on how to improve the existing system.

So here we are. What can we all do now?

The build on SiSi can only be described as an Alpha build. Essentially broken with interesting possibilities but over all poor execution. The feedback has been mostly negative. Understandable. A lot of the feedback has been constructive and the devs appear to be taking it seriously.

I recommend starting a Version 2 of this thread when the next build hits SiSi. Why? Because we need to give considered, reasonable feedback to that build. A lot of the dev replies in this thread are getting lost/missed as people do not want to wade through 51 pages to find dev replies.

There really is little time before June, we need to get this right because CCP is quite poor at fixing things post go live: New thread for the next build and considered constructive feedback for BOTH good and poor functionality.

put sigs in a list.

I recommend starting a Version 2 of this thread when the next build hits SiSi. Why? Because we need to give considered, reasonable feedback to that build. A lot of the dev replies in this thread are getting lost/missed as people do not want to wade through 51 pages to find dev replies.

Well... you can click on the dev tag to auto-find the next dev response as well ;)

Just so you devs don't think players are unanimous in hating that the probe positioning is now at the system center by default: I very much like this change. Every prober starts scanning a system from the center outwards, because most of the planets are usually clustered in the center and thus most signatures are there. That CCP has made this change shows that the person who made that actually plays the game and knows how explorers work.

The far less common case of combat probing on your grid or very close to your ship may involve moving your probes once... big deal

"every prober" thats total bullshit, you maybe the cookie cutters aka 60%, but you just pulled that out of your ar*e, probes and probing to those that do it daily relies on personal preference, confirming unwanted known sigs and removing them, that is not done with a super probe or from the centre.

All this abortive attempt shows is they want to reinvent from scratch instead of upgrade and refine using existing known reliable systems, they don-¦t explore they play at it sometimes and only at a rookie or basic level as they do not have the time to invest at work or at home to be proficient in it and make isk.

they really are raging against those who took to the profession, which has become devalued due to over supply of rewards, and the increased competition who at low skill levels get ar*e mopped by elite players who have invested months in skills (which get thrown away and not compensated for), they cant get it to work so they are changing it to how they think they can work it and overlay some shiny shiny to keep the morons happy.