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CptEagle	Posted - 2006.05.16 16:09:00 - [601] /signed.... again.
Hydraxian	Posted - 2006.05.16 16:16:00 - [602] /signed
Tulia	Posted - 2006.05.16 16:45:00 - [603] Fix the deimos. The fact that my ishtar tends to move faster is just an insult.
Lucus Ranger	Posted - 2006.05.16 16:48:00 - [604] /signed... Please look into it...
Bexx	Posted - 2006.05.16 22:10:00 - [605] /signed
Harper04	Posted - 2006.05.17 01:02:00 - [606] 2 deimos's in hanger...gimme a reason to take them out to play...
Kunming	Posted - 2006.05.17 09:43:00 - [607] To remind you again, deimos got nerfed with the drone bay nerfage on the thorax. This might have been balancing for the thorax (and I think it sure is) but totally shafted the deimos, which had already lower stats than the thorax just not to overpower the ship. The nerf allowed the ishtar to take up its role as the true drone HAC (not many ppl used to fly an ishtar back in the time when you could carry heavy drones on the deimos) I guess the devs forgot about the pre-nerfed stats of the deimos when nerfing its drone bay together with the thorax... at least thats what I think happened. Now the deimos cant perform its role as a blaster boat because of its worse-than-thorax stats (which were justifable when the ship used to spam heavy drones too). TBH I dont want more dronage on the deimos, thats what the ishtar is for. Either gimme more, much more dmg for putting my self in such a stupidly dangerous position (unlike the vaga, deimos cant run away from its target after being webbed and nossed.. its do or die) or speed and agility to get in range faster, or make it immune to jamming or whatever, but at least fix the stats so they are not worse than a thorax.
Ithildin	Posted - 2006.05.17 09:47:00 - [608] No. The Deimos had 1000 metric drone bay (enough for a full dish of medium drones) while the Thorax had 2000 metric. When the Thorax was nerfed to 50 metrics it didn't affect the Deimos at all. The Thorax was cut in half, then divided by 20 in one go. The Deimos was only divided by 20. New sig coming soonÖ Drone musing (MC-boards)
Kunming	Posted - 2006.05.17 10:53:00 - [609] Originally by: Ithildin No. The Deimos had 1000 metric drone bay (enough for a full dish of medium drones) while the Thorax had 2000 metric. When the Thorax was nerfed to 50 metrics it didn't affect the Deimos at all. The Thorax was cut in half, then divided by 20 in one go. The Deimos was only divided by 20. Thinking again you are right actually.. /me runs away in shame Seriously though thats even worse, as it means the devs probably think that the concept is perfectly alright... the concept of a T2 blasterboat which cant perform its role and has worse stats than its T1 version.
Gariuys	Posted - 2006.05.17 11:04:00 - [610] Originally by: Hellspawn01 Got a question to the deimos pilots in here that have fitting problems (might be everyone here): Do you have the following skills at lvl5? -Advanced weapon upgrades -Engineering -Energy systems Operation -Energy management -Weapon upgrades -Electronics upgrades If you use plates, then you definately need RCU or a PDU. If you prefer gank, then you will probably use 2x damage mods and 2x energized adaptive nanos. I personaly use a 800mm plate 2x RCU II and 2 passive hardeners and a full set of Ions II. Got about 6 grid spare with very high skills. If you dont have one of the above named skills maxed, then you should do that before you talk about fitting problems. No offense ment. None taken, but just FYI almost 41mil skillpoints and totally devoted to the Deimos ( branching out now too Astarte ) and Adv. weapon upgrades lvl 5 is completely useless since it doesn't change anything for virtually all deimos setups. ( doesn't let me fit a neutron, doesn't let me remove RCU/PDS ) ~{When evil and strange get together anything is possible}~ A tool is only useless when you don't know how to use it. - ActiveX The grass is always greener on the other side. - JoCool
Gariuys	Posted - 2006.05.17 11:05:00 - [611] Originally by: Kunming Originally by: Ithildin No. The Deimos had 1000 metric drone bay (enough for a full dish of medium drones) while the Thorax had 2000 metric. When the Thorax was nerfed to 50 metrics it didn't affect the Deimos at all. The Thorax was cut in half, then divided by 20 in one go. The Deimos was only divided by 20. Thinking again you are right actually.. /me runs away in shame Seriously though thats even worse, as it means the devs probably think that the concept is perfectly alright... the concept of a T2 blasterboat which cant perform its role and has worse stats than its T1 version. That's cause when they where first introduced ( which was over 18 months ago ) the deimos was weaker then the others, but by a small margin. As things are currently this is no longer the case. And it's insanely hard to fit compaired to all other HACs and command ships. ~{When evil and strange get together anything is possible}~ A tool is only useless when you don't know how to use it. - ActiveX The grass is always greener on the other side. - JoCool
Yuzzuf	Posted - 2006.05.17 14:57:00 - [612] I'll sign this request as well. I think most of us agree that the idea of Deimos is fun and sexeh, but as it stands atm the fun idea is all but ruined. So, a tad more of speed and grid, plz. -Y-
Kunming	Posted - 2006.05.19 12:46:00 - [613] Every other serious ship thread got a dev response. Either Tux has something very delicate on his mind or has nothing on his mind about the deimos; I'm affraid its more the latter. I dont even bother login in anymore.. hell why should I? I cant play the game how I want, I wanna fight close and personal in a HAC, train for a vagabond you say? I think not. Bah, not even gonna check forums anymore, they get you really ****ed off..
Ithildin	Posted - 2006.05.19 12:49:00 - [614] The long threds hasn't gotten responses, you'll notice. The guy who made the Nighthawk thred got his thred to page 15 with no response, and then made a new one. Three or four posts into the new thred Tuxford said he'd put the Nighthawk on his list of things to look at. New sig coming soonÖ Drone musing (MC-boards)
Angus Torg	Posted - 2006.05.19 12:51:00 - [615] Look at the Deimos price. It's as high as for the "good" HACs. Why would it need to be changed then, if people seem to use it?
Gariuys	Posted - 2006.05.19 13:10:00 - [616] Originally by: Angus Torg Look at the Deimos price. It's as high as for the "good" HACs. Why would it need to be changed then, if people seem to use it? Yes sales figures should decide balance... hmm is that a freaking huge nerfbat coming right at the blackbird??? Or should balance be ehm BALANCED? ~{When evil and strange get together anything is possible}~ A tool is only useless when you don't know how to use it. - ActiveX The grass is always greener on the other side. - JoCool
Gariuys	Posted - 2006.05.19 13:11:00 - [617] Originally by: Kunming Every other serious ship thread got a dev response. Either Tux has something very delicate on his mind or has nothing on his mind about the deimos; I'm affraid its more the latter. I dont even bother login in anymore.. hell why should I? I cant play the game how I want, I wanna fight close and personal in a HAC, train for a vagabond you say? I think not. Bah, not even gonna check forums anymore, they get you really ****ed off.. Train for a Astarte, even slower then a deimos, but atleast you can fit it decently, which is something. ~{When evil and strange get together anything is possible}~ A tool is only useless when you don't know how to use it. - ActiveX The grass is always greener on the other side. - JoCool
Gronsak	Posted - 2006.05.19 13:19:00 - [618] give deimos the ability to fit 5x ion T2 : Medium Nos MWD T2 : webber : 20km Med Rep T2 : 800mm plate T2 : 2dmg mods : 1 EXP hard T2 : 1 energized adaptive T2 -------------------Sig----------------------- welcome to eve, a game for the unemployed, the t2 bpo winners, GTC sellers, macro miners and agent *****s
Adrian Kerensky	Posted - 2006.05.19 13:54:00 - [619] Does anyone else think it is OBCENE that there has not been a dev response to this thread when considering the length of it and how long it has been here? The Deimos is the only HAC that can't fit a full rack of the largest calibre of it's intended weapons (cept maybe 720s on a muninn but can't remember). It is supposed to be a blaster boat and yet has a laughable base speed. She has lower base stats than a thorax! I trained for a deimos...am now trianing for a zealot - go figure.
Sarmaul	Posted - 2006.05.19 14:01:00 - [620] Originally by: Gronsak give deimos the ability to fit 5x ion T2 : Medium Nos MWD T2 : webber : 20km Med Rep T2 : 800mm plate T2 : 2dmg mods : 1 EXP hard T2 : 1 energized adaptive T2 erm... no?
Ithildin	Posted - 2006.05.19 14:03:00 - [621] Originally by: Sarmaul Originally by: Gronsak give deimos the ability to fit 5x ion T2 : Medium Nos MWD T2 : webber : 20km Med Rep T2 : 800mm plate T2 : 2dmg mods : 1 EXP hard T2 : 1 energized adaptive T2 erm... no? Elaborate, please. If we ignore the nosferatu, every other HAC can fit an equivalently demanding set up and more. (On a Zealot a "similar" setup also includes the NOS) New sig coming soonÖ Drone musing (MC-boards)
Necrologic	Posted - 2006.05.19 16:55:00 - [622] Bump. Come on Tux. This is supposed to be your job, isn't it?
KilROCK	Posted - 2006.05.19 17:03:00 - [623] Originally by: Necrologic Bump. Come on Tux. This is supposed to be your job, isn't it? Tux's job is to add missile hardpoint on every ships and missile bonuses, not tweak ships to make them better. Petwraith ♥ me. I make sigs
Necrologic	Posted - 2006.05.19 17:05:00 - [624] Originally by: KilROCK Originally by: Necrologic Bump. Come on Tux. This is supposed to be your job, isn't it? Tux's job is to add missile hardpoint on every ships and missile bonuses, not tweak ships to make them better. Damn, good point.
Lucus Ranger	Posted - 2006.05.19 17:12:00 - [625]
Capsicum	Posted - 2006.05.19 17:15:00 - [626] I suspect the changes in the new patch are going to vastly improve the Diemos :) forum rules \| [email protected] \| Our new Website!
Sarmaul	Posted - 2006.05.19 17:17:00 - [627] Originally by: Ithildin Originally by: Sarmaul Originally by: Gronsak give deimos the ability to fit 5x ion T2 : Medium Nos MWD T2 : webber : 20km Med Rep T2 : 800mm plate T2 : 2dmg mods : 1 EXP hard T2 : 1 energized adaptive T2 erm... no? Elaborate, please. If we ignore the nosferatu, every other HAC can fit an equivalently demanding set up and more. (On a Zealot a "similar" setup also includes the NOS) If the zealot uses it's worst guns then yes it can fit a nos and 800. The otherside of the coin is that it has no drone bay (deimos can add 5 hammerhead IIs to it's damage output) and it's only 2 damage types (em and thermal) are the most hardened on 90% of armour tanks. It's the age old saying in EVE: those who can't gank, tank. And those who can't tank, are flying minmatar :)
Necrologic	Posted - 2006.05.19 17:19:00 - [628] Originally by: Capsicum I suspect the changes in the new patch are going to vastly improve the Diemos :) The changes are going to slightly improve blasters, which will only help the deimos in so far as it uses blasters. But the deimos has plenty of problems compared to other ships that are totally independent of the problems blasters have compared to other weapons.
Necrologic	Posted - 2006.05.19 17:20:00 - [629] Originally by: Sarmaul Originally by: Ithildin Originally by: Sarmaul Originally by: Gronsak give deimos the ability to fit 5x ion T2 : Medium Nos MWD T2 : webber : 20km Med Rep T2 : 800mm plate T2 : 2dmg mods : 1 EXP hard T2 : 1 energized adaptive T2 erm... no? Elaborate, please. If we ignore the nosferatu, every other HAC can fit an equivalently demanding set up and more. (On a Zealot a "similar" setup also includes the NOS) If the zealot uses it's worst guns then yes it can fit a nos and 800. The otherside of the coin is that it has no drone bay (deimos can add 5 hammerhead IIs to it's damage output) and it's only 2 damage types (em and thermal) are the most hardened on 90% of armour tanks. It's the age old saying in EVE: those who can't gank, tank. And those who can't tank, are flying minmatar :) I agree with Sarmaul. Take the above setup and remove the 800 plate and it's more in line.
KilROCK	Posted - 2006.05.19 17:24:00 - [630] Originally by: Capsicum I suspect the changes in the new patch are going to vastly improve the Diemos :) Won't be able to fit neutrons. Crap, crap, Megacrap. Unless you know something i don't know about the upcoming patches.. The cap reduction and 'other blaster' changes along with Neutron PG reduction won't mean a thing. Petwraith ♥ me. I make sigs

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