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Faruda	Posted - 2006.10.05 13:32:00 - [931] Please, NO! Gallentes have most powerful set of ships and you are going give him UberHAC? Better boost poor Minmas Hint: Dear deimos pilots, you always may use Coprocessor and/or RCU/PDS to fit everything you need.
Damis Zohar Pirates of Destruction Union	Posted - 2006.10.05 13:44:00 - [932] Originally by: Faruda Please, NO! Gallentes have most powerful set of ships and you are going give him UberHAC? Better boost poor Minmas Hint: Dear deimos pilots, you always may use Coprocessor and/or RCU/PDS to fit everything you need. We're not asking for an uber HAC just a useable one.
epic113 Gallente Eve Defence Force	Posted - 2006.10.05 13:53:00 - [933] Originally by: Faruda Please, NO! Gallentes have most powerful set of ships and you are going give him UberHAC? Better boost poor Minmas Hint: Dear deimos pilots, you always may use Coprocessor and/or RCU/PDS to fit everything you need. thats a joke right? please tell me another hac thats only slightly better(and in some ways worse) than its t1 counterpart
XZeroXCompanyX	Posted - 2006.10.05 15:03:00 - [934] /bump =\ poor boat needs our love
Tasty Burger	Posted - 2006.10.05 15:31:00 - [935] Originally by: epic113 Originally by: Faruda Please, NO! Gallentes have most powerful set of ships and you are going give him UberHAC? Better boost poor Minmas Hint: Dear deimos pilots, you always may use Coprocessor and/or RCU/PDS to fit everything you need. thats a joke right? please tell me another hac thats only slightly better(and in some ways worse) than its t1 counterpart muninn. muninn is even worse than the deimos since it does less damage, tanks less, and even has less slots.
Faruda	Posted - 2006.10.05 17:45:00 - [936] Originally by: epic113 thats a joke right? Nope Originally by: epic113 please tell me another hac thats only slightly better(and in some ways worse) than its t1 counterpart Deimos is worse than Thorax? I doubt. Muninn - Rupture. Muninn is marginally better, better distance better tracking + one turret high slot. Eagle is better than Moa. It is fact. But only because Moa is crap. Deimos is marginally worse of Eagle, but only marginally. Look on the whole picture, please.(I agree that Deimos may be slightly better). Deimos has enormous structure(add damage control to see difference) and 50 m3 drone bay. It is more than enough to be just in the middle.
Dragy	Posted - 2006.10.05 18:00:00 - [937] Try fitting a Deimos and you shall see. Try to defeat a skilled bc pilot. It's not possible. Deimos can't fit anything reasonable and is so cap dependable that enemy with 2-3 NOS will kill your cap way to fast. Big hull is nothing while having fitting problems. You'll just die slower.
CherniyVolk	Posted - 2006.10.05 18:40:00 - [938] Originally by: Faruda Deimos is worse than Thorax? I doubt. Muninn - Rupture. Muninn is marginally better, better distance better tracking + one turret high slot. Eagle is better than Moa. It is fact. But only because Moa is crap. Deimos is marginally worse of Eagle, but only marginally. Look on the whole picture, please.(I agree that Deimos may be slightly better). Deimos has enormous structure(add damage control to see difference) and 50 m3 drone bay. It is more than enough to be just in the middle. I'm not saying that other HACs are running around 100% happy. For instance, I think the Sacrilege could use some love. But, I won't go into detail on why I think that here. This is the thread for Deimos improvement! The Deimos is supposed to be a threat at close ranges. But it's not. Partly, becuase it can't dictate range. It also can't fit a good setup without frigate modules. Infact, even with cruiser modules you have to either go faction or named T1. I have AWU lvl 4, and I can't fit a T2 MWD, I have to use a Y-T8 MWD. Or, I use a faction Armor Rep and maybe have the PG for a T2 MWD, or fit both faction mwd and mar.... Seriously, it's not fair that I'm required, for a base fit that compliments the roles intended, to fit Named modules or Faction/Officer modules on my ship.
Faruda	Posted - 2006.10.05 18:51:00 - [939] Ok, ok, ok. Agree that deimos need some love(I knew it). But look from another point of view. Sacrilege need some love, Eagle need some love, Muninn need some love. Deimos is comparable with this HACs. So if modify Deimos we have to modify all HACs around.
Dragy	Posted - 2006.10.05 18:59:00 - [940] And here's where you're wrong. Deimos has to chances with those hacs. Eagle has a good shield tank while it's nossing and dealing nice dmg, sac is nossing and tanking so it'll kill Deimos too. Only with Muninn it's a close fight. Of course taking into consideration that the pilots are skilled.
Cythera Zohar	Posted - 2006.10.05 19:06:00 - [941] Originally by: Faruda Originally by: epic113 thats a joke right? Nope Originally by: epic113 please tell me another hac thats only slightly better(and in some ways worse) than its t1 counterpart Deimos is worse than Thorax? I doubt. Muninn - Rupture. Muninn is marginally better, better distance better tracking + one turret high slot. Eagle is better than Moa. It is fact. But only because Moa is crap. Deimos is marginally worse of Eagle, but only marginally. Look on the whole picture, please.(I agree that Deimos may be slightly better). Deimos has enormous structure(add damage control to see difference) and 50 m3 drone bay. It is more than enough to be just in the middle. Deimos 'IS' worse than a Thorax trust me! Ive PVPed in a thorax with success cant say the same for my Deimos
CherniyVolk	Posted - 2006.10.05 19:19:00 - [942] Originally by: Faruda Ok, ok, ok. Agree that deimos need some love(I knew it). But look from another point of view. Sacrilege need some love, Eagle need some love, Muninn need some love. Deimos is comparable with this HACs. So if modify Deimos we have to modify all HACs around. Well, if you create a general thread arguing that all HACs need some attention be certain I'll post my concerns regarding the Deimos there too. Due to the lack of structure and focus in such a thread, I doubt it'll ever be better than 90% trolling.
Cuckoo	Posted - 2006.10.05 21:20:00 - [943] why the hell are the devs being so ignorant.. its frustrating
sarabando Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2006.10.05 21:29:00 - [944] if its so bad then why does it still cost 200million? Originally by: Nyxus Then we will fly to Tatooine straight away and obliterate Testy and the whole Scrapheap from orbit. Rebellion "issue" solved. Nyxus
Mr Xzomo Carebear Industries	Posted - 2006.10.06 09:18:00 - [945] Signed I have maxed skills (that affect powergriding) and can't even fitt 5 200mm railguns II.
Frater Perdurabo The Ancient Illuminated Seers of Bavaria	Posted - 2006.10.06 09:26:00 - [946] Originally by: Faruda Ok, ok, ok. Agree that deimos need some love(I knew it). But look from another point of view. Sacrilege need some love, Eagle need some love, Muninn need some love. Deimos is comparable with this HACs. So if modify Deimos we have to modify all HACs around. Actually you've hit on a very good point here, why is it the hacs based on the 'best' t1 cruiser equivalent are nowhere near as good as the ones based on the 2nd best t1 cruiser (well except caracals better than moa, but oh well ignore that :P) ...and I know why deimos are 200mil, but i better not say anything he'd get annoyed with me (only joking, honest ) ----------------------------------- Please note that my response to this thread is probably a result of boredom, and its very likely that i dont care, but am posting in an attempt to wind someone up
Miklas Laces A.N.A.R.C.H.I.C.A	Posted - 2006.10.06 10:15:00 - [947] Edited by: Miklas Laces on 06/10/2006 10:16:32 Originally by: sarabando if its so bad then why does it still cost 200million? coz it's sexy (and very good at belt ratting) edit: not sure about the 200m too, last time I checked was more like 165m but I may be wrong, don't bother to check
Cythera Zohar	Posted - 2006.10.06 11:51:00 - [948] Originally by: Miklas Laces Edited by: Miklas Laces on 06/10/2006 10:16:32 Originally by: sarabando if its so bad then why does it still cost 200million? coz it's sexy (and very good at belt ratting) edit: not sure about the 200m too, last time I checked was more like 165m but I may be wrong, don't bother to check 175 mill is the best price ive seen in a while. And as to why it costs that much is probably because ppl dont read this thread.
welsh wizard Celestial Apocalypse	Posted - 2006.10.06 11:58:00 - [949] Edited by: welsh wizard on 06/10/2006 11:58:59 But then every single Gallente ship will be good and everyone else will be stuck with their joke ships. :( Theres more important ships in need of a boost tbh. edit: Guess that doesn't mean the Diemos shouldn't be boosted though. Originally by: anonymous If you're being chased by a police dog, try not to go through a tunnel, then on to a little seesaw, then jump through a hoop of fire. They're trained for that.
Xasz Caldari Unemployment Office	Posted - 2006.10.06 12:27:00 - [950] Originally by: sarabando if its so bad then why does it still cost 200million? Quite obviously, someone hasn't read ANY of this thread, save maybe this page. The Deimos is highly overrated in game, due to it's double damage bonuses; in actuality, it's one of the lower HACs. Unemployment Office [NOJOB], now firing. Contact Jaguar Warrior for details.
Kunming Amarr adeptus gattacus Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.10.06 12:36:00 - [951] Originally by: Faruda Please, NO! Gallentes have most powerful set of ships and you are going give him UberHAC? Better boost poor Minmas Hint: Dear deimos pilots, you always may use Coprocessor and/or RCU/PDS to fit everything you need. First: Read the thread, yes whole 32 pages! Second: Comment on topic. If you do it in any other order, you may as well **** off!
CherniyVolk	Posted - 2006.10.06 19:57:00 - [952] Originally by: Kunming First: Read the thread, yes whole 32 pages! Second: Comment on topic. If you do it in any other order, you may as well **** off! QFT! Seriously! If you want to advocate boosting some other HAC, then do so in an appropriate fashion so Tuxford or whoever may easily seperate and address the issues.
Damis Zohar Pirates of Destruction Union	Posted - 2006.10.08 05:06:00 - [953] Edited by: Damis Zohar on 08/10/2006 05:07:15 Originally by: Tasty Burger Originally by: epic113 Originally by: Faruda Please, NO! Gallentes have most powerful set of ships and you are going give him UberHAC? Better boost poor Minmas Hint: Dear deimos pilots, you always may use Coprocessor and/or RCU/PDS to fit everything you need. thats a joke right? please tell me another hac thats only slightly better(and in some ways worse) than its t1 counterpart muninn. muninn is even worse than the deimos since it does less damage, tanks less, and even has less slots. Yeah the Deimos has an extra slot! real nice, now if we can just fit something in that slot!!!!!!! Start a muninn thread if ya dont like it and leave the deimos thread to those who know what they are talking about.
Tommy Vercetti Minmatar Brutor tribe	Posted - 2006.10.08 05:36:00 - [954] Originally by: Damis Zohar leave the deimos thread to those who know what they are talking about. ROFL. Yes don't compare it to other HACS in the game, just boost a few attributes here and there then worry about how well it will go against the competition I see a 86 page deimos thread coming Originally by: Murukan It's like really you ***** , it also out damages my tempest so maybe i shouldn't saunter up to the thron at 2km like i'm ready to * it's **.
Sadist Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.10.08 07:00:00 - [955] Originally by: Faruda Ok, ok, ok. Agree that deimos need some love(I knew it). But look from another point of view. Sacrilege need some love, Eagle need some love, Muninn need some love. Deimos is comparable with this HACs. So if modify Deimos we have to modify all HACs around. Sacriledge and Eagle don't need love. They both have their niches - a sniping eagle with a passive tank is nearly impenetrable to small ships and can be used as bait, and a nos/capbooster/dual rep sac can eventually outlast any cruiser-sized ship and some BS. Deimos, however is vulnerable to any kind of counter to it - NOS, EW, pure damage, web - you name it, it all renders the ship as helpless as a beer can, faster than you can say "i gotta warp out". òòòòòòòòòòòò VIP member of the [23] Quote: - Numbers alone do not win a battle - No, but I bet they help.
Ithildin Gallente The Corporation	Posted - 2006.10.08 11:42:00 - [956] Originally by: Sadist Originally by: Faruda Ok, ok, ok. Agree that deimos need some love(I knew it). But look from another point of view. Sacrilege need some love, Eagle need some love, Muninn need some love. Deimos is comparable with this HACs. So if modify Deimos we have to modify all HACs around. Sacriledge and Eagle don't need love. They both have their niches - a sniping eagle with a passive tank is nearly impenetrable to small ships and can be used as bait, and a nos/capbooster/dual rep sac can eventually outlast any cruiser-sized ship and some BS. Deimos, however is vulnerable to any kind of counter to it - NOS, EW, pure damage, web - you name it, it all renders the ship as helpless as a beer can, faster than you can say "i gotta warp out". Deimos, Sacrilege, and Eagle all have their unique roles and niches. Yes, even the Deimos inspite of it's role being completely taken over by the Astarte. They all need love. The difference is that Eagle and Sacrilege are OFF TOPIC in this thread, and as such discussing how THEY need love is not really something that we need to do, no? Faruda: No, it does not logically follow that modification of one ship means all ships must be modified (at the same time). It also does not logically follow that modifying or not modifying a ship means other ships will/won't be modified. Make a new thread about the ships that needs to be modified, argument it, and post proofs there. This is about the Deimos - for or against it's modification is argumented here, and no other ship. - Three years old
Hellspawn01 Amarr The Phantom Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.10.08 13:15:00 - [957] I have a question for those that used to fly a deimos: How many SP do you have in the support gunnery skills and in hybrids? Ship lovers click here
Kunming Amarr adeptus gattacus Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.10.08 14:51:00 - [958] Originally by: Hellspawn01 I have a question for those that used to fly a deimos: How many SP do you have in the support gunnery skills and in hybrids? Too much ALL related skills are lvl 5 (except some drone skills)...
Ithildin Gallente The Corporation	Posted - 2006.10.08 14:58:00 - [959] Originally by: Hellspawn01 I have a question for those that used to fly a deimos: How many SP do you have in the support gunnery skills and in hybrids? 9 million gunnery and it gives me beam, railgun and blaster specializations, what's it to ya? To recap, the Deimos is one, or a combination, of... : * Too difficult to fit beyond lowest tier turrets * Too slow * Not agile enough - Three years old
Kunming Amarr adeptus gattacus Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.10.08 15:03:00 - [960] Originally by: Ithildin Originally by: Hellspawn01 I have a question for those that used to fly a deimos: How many SP do you have in the support gunnery skills and in hybrids? 9 million gunnery and it gives me beam, railgun and blaster specializations, what's it to ya? To recap, the Deimos is one, or a combination, of... : * Too difficult to fit beyond lowest tier turrets * Too slow * Not agile enough + Crap Bonus which is not really a bonus (MWD penalty bonus sux arse)

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