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Akiman
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Posted - 2006.11.15 12:34:00 -
[1051]
So all those replies and nothing?...well we dont want to change any slot\turret layout or ship ability or something like that...
We just want speed and pg to survive under web, scrambler, nos range.This ship is for close range.
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Durethia
Destructive Influence
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.17 20:50:00 -
[1052]
This is a bump. Because CCP has effectively side-stepped the issues at hand and the new PowerGrid increase proposed for Kali are NOT going to change ship setups. I think the only thing that might change, is the fact I'll be able to fit a T2 MWD on now instead of the Y-T8 MWD. I will NOT be able to fit a Medium NOS in the highes, I will not be able to replace the T2 Ions with T2 Neutrons. I also will not be able to move around any faster than before.
Tuxford, boosting a ships power grid by more than 100pg might seem extreme, but it's not... because the original power grid alloted for the Deimos really DOES SUCK THAT BAD. The ship CAN NOT fit a reasonable fit, and it's not shy a handful of PG either.... it's short a B*TTLOAD of PG! 90PG increase is NOT enough.
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CherniyVolk
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Posted - 2006.11.17 21:04:00 -
[1053]
 Originally by: Jazz Bo
For example, a Deimos currently has zero chance of winning a fight against, say, a Vagabond or Zealot unless the fight starts at <10km.
Starting at 35KM, a Deimos can not win against a Arty fit Munin with no tank. That's with drones/blasters everything. It's too slow, it can not close the distance before it pops under the slow RoF high alpha damage arty setups. You might get two volleys off, and put the Munin 70% into armor, but ultimately, you're dead before you touch his structure.
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Maya Rkell
Forsaken Empire
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Posted - 2006.11.17 21:29:00 -
[1054]
CherniyVolk, in a 1v1 starting at 35km the blaster Deimos cannot kill me. Period.
I have a MWD. I am quicker in my Munnin than the Deimos is :)
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Alowishus
Shadow Company
Alektorophobia
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Posted - 2006.11.17 21:46:00 -
[1055]
Edited by: Alowishus on 17/11/2006 21:46:36
I was going to get a HAC. But then I realized that paying what they cost and ultimately getting a ship that everyone hates and complains about constantly is stupid. I have a bagillion skill points and I'm often seen flying a Rupture with T1 junk I found in the corp hangar. It's much more gratifying than ordering something that costs over a hundred million, waiting six weeks for it, piecing together a T2 setup with my -8.8 sec status and then spending all my time *****ing about it on the forums. What a way to live.
Not saying it's the players fault these ships blow ass but good god, what's the point in them (other than the Vaga which is just too expensive and too long of a wait)?
What a HAC says to me: "I'm rich and have 1337 skills...erm I hope I don't run into a 60mil Armageddon with 10mil in modules..."
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Ohmy Fugod
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.11.17 22:21:00 -
[1056]
Originally by: Durethia
Lots of good points
You know, I was about to ask if anyone already had any new fitting ideas for the "improved" deimos, since Gallente Cruiser V was on my short term plans, and well, came across this one.
So, hello irony, I have to thank you for pointing out it'll still suck. A shame indeed, because I was really looking forward towards a reasonable neutron deimos setup.
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Kunming
Amarr
adeptus gattacus
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.11.18 16:52:00 -
[1057]
C'MON! Fix this ship finally, its been what? Over 2 years since we are moaning about it and still no improvement.. forget about improvement, blasterboats are getting nerfed with KALI, I mean WTF
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Buzzmong
Gallente
Raptus Regaliter
Pride - Honor - Duty
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Posted - 2006.11.19 00:09:00 -
[1058]
Originally by: Kunming
C'MON! Fix this ship finally, its been what? Over 2 years since we are moaning about it and still no improvement.. forget about improvement, blasterboats are getting nerfed with KALI, I mean WTF
Bit of a laugh that isnt it? considering the devs want to nerf long range combat, yet bring out the cald bs(rohk) which'll pretty much shoot at a star in distant system.
Think I might have to go recon, no sense wasting gal cruiser lvl 5 just for a broken hac (no, dont like drones as a main weapon, so no ishtar for me).
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Xoduse
Beasts of Burden
Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2006.11.19 09:06:00 -
[1059]
Originally by: Buzzmong
Originally by: Kunming
C'MON! Fix this ship finally, its been what? Over 2 years since we are moaning about it and still no improvement.. forget about improvement, blasterboats are getting nerfed with KALI, I mean WTF
Bit of a laugh that isnt it? considering the devs want to nerf long range combat, yet bring out the cald bs(rohk) which'll pretty much shoot at a star in distant system.
Think I might have to go recon, no sense wasting gal cruiser lvl 5 just for a broken hac (no, dont like drones as a main weapon, so no ishtar for me).
Same here, I think im going recons. With the extra power grid the only change was I was able to fit this:
3xIOn IIs 2x Electrons 1x medium nos
1x y-t8 mwd 1x web 1x scram
1x med rep II 1x EANM II 1x energized reactive II 2x Mag Stab IIs 1x dmg control
So basically the extra powergrid just let me use the hi slot for a medium nos for a change. Deimos doesnt go any faster, isnt any more agile, and still has a really thin tank compared to other HACs.
Recons for me. Deimos goes on the market b4 Kali hits.
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slothe
Caldari
Forsaken Empire
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Posted - 2006.11.19 09:32:00 -
[1060]
Edited by: slothe on 19/11/2006 09:33:48
Edited by: slothe on 19/11/2006 09:33:29
fix fix fix fix fix fix fix fix fix.
thanks.
ive frigging bought 4 muninns because they are MUCH better than the deimos (now and) post kali.
comon ccp pleeeease for the love of god make it worth flying.
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MOS DEF
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2006.11.19 10:10:00 -
[1061]
Just sold mine as long it still costs the ridiculous isk it does now.
MY astarte with a single inertia stabilizer is faster MORE AGILE , tanks better and has more DPS then the deimos.
Yes it has a larger sig but it tanks better wich makes up for it.
The deimos is just crap and in order to last a fight after kali you either get rid of the scrambler or webber to fit an injector wich plain sucks.
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Kunming
Amarr
adeptus gattacus
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.11.19 11:00:00 -
[1062]
Edited by: Kunming on 19/11/2006 11:01:53
Originally by: MOS DEF
Just sold mine as long it still costs the ridiculous isk it does now.
MY astarte with a single inertia stabilizer is faster MORE AGILE , tanks better and has more DPS then the deimos.
Yes it has a larger sig but it tanks better wich makes up for it.
The deimos is just crap and in order to last a fight after kali you either get rid of the scrambler or webber to fit an injector wich plain sucks.
I even gave up on both scram and web to fit shield extenders and plate + dmg mods.. still felt like a straw-man with a pea shooter!
As long as this ship cant fit a full rack of neutrons together with med nos, med rep and a plate its pretty pointless going into MELEE RANGE just to get your self killed! I can understand why Tuxford cant seem to fix the deimos and blasterboats in general. He fails to look at the general picture of a ship..
- Deimos cant fit neutrons in a reasonable setup cause of the lacking fitting stats
- Deimos has 0 DPS on its dmg delivered graph, this is not the same as missiles where the dmg recieved by target is delayed but dmg delivered is constant, deimos delivers 0 dmg until its in range.. So it either needs a monster tank (which would be overpowered) or monster DMG to compensate for the undelivered DMG. Not to forget that the ship is SLOWER than a THORAX
- Deimos does not win the fight once in range, infact the ship becomes even more exposed to a series of stuff it has no counter to and is very weak against (NOS, webs, scrams, painters, ECM, etc)
- Deimos doesnt even have enough cap to run its setup, NOS (even small one) is mandatory
- Deimos has an "anti-Bonus", the cap penalty reduction bonus is not much of a help to the ship since MWD is a mandatory module on any blasterboat anyway. While the other HACs all get some sort of real bonus the deimos gets a penatly reduction to a module it HAS to fit and that was nerfed to hell and back due to dual-MWD missile boats (now gun boats have to take the punishment despite them having nothing to do with dual-MWD bull****), at least change it so you dont get the huge signature penalty, I can live with 18.5% less cap.
- Deimos has a concept (overwhelm you target with DPS before your weak tank fails) which is obsolete with KALI's HP and plate/extender boost. The ship cant fit plates due to low PG anyway, so it lost at that game from the begining, and high DPS will be less important than high durability!
DEAR TUXFORD, if you dont finally fix the deimos and blasterboats in general, I will have lost all my faith in your good will and wont pay the next bill which is ironically 1 day after KALI release on 29th. I will NOT cross train to caldari or matari, blasterboats is what I have fun doing in this game.. I'm already (forced to) flying drone/NOS boats since over a year now, I wont wait another year for you to fix blasterboats.
Edit: anxiously waiting to start using my 12mil Gunnery SP
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Ihar Enda
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.11.19 11:00:00 -
[1063]
Originally by: MOS DEF
Just sold mine as long it still costs the ridiculous isk it does now.
MY astarte with a single inertia stabilizer is faster MORE AGILE , tanks better and has more DPS then the deimos.
After the BC agility boost in Kali you probably won't even need the inertia stab.
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MOS DEF
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2006.11.19 11:08:00 -
[1064]
Originally by: Ihar Enda
Originally by: MOS DEF
Just sold mine as long it still costs the ridiculous isk it does now.
MY astarte with a single inertia stabilizer is faster MORE AGILE , tanks better and has more DPS then the deimos.
After the BC agility boost in Kali you probably won't even need the inertia stab.
This testing is from sisi. Yes it is okish without but with inertia it beats the deimos agility. Not great tank but makes a good fast roamer with good damage. OFC any heavy NOS BS will slap it around.
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Kunming
Amarr
adeptus gattacus
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.11.19 11:12:00 -
[1065]
Mandatory mods a ship has to fit after KALI:
* Non-cap consuming weapons (Drones/missiles/projectiles)
* Plate or shield extender, preferably shields
* Energy neutralizer or nosferatu (against those stupid enough to fit a cap consuming setup)
Mandatory mods a deimos has to fit:
* MWD - to get in range
* Webbifier - to not repeat step #1 again
* Nosferatu - (even a small one) to run weapons
* Blasters - obviously
Deimos gets pretty obsolete in the world of "non-cap consumers"..
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Lilani Kuzma
Gallente
Brass Monkeys Society
The SUdden Death Squad
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Posted - 2006.11.19 12:08:00 -
[1066]
I am flyng deimos constantly for like 3 weeks neaw lost one in pvp::::: YET IT sucks in pg IT SUCKS in speeddd comon TUX donŠt suck like in the nighthawk thread:::: u suck for an instance in that cose it took a lot of time to fix something but this is outrageous if ur not capable step down::::: just step down and keep quiet
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Chewan Mesa
Beagle Corp
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Posted - 2006.11.19 12:10:00 -
[1067]
Originally by: Lilani Kuzma
I am flyng deimos constantly for like 3 weeks neaw lost one in pvp::::: YET IT sucks in pg IT SUCKS in speeddd comon TUX donŠt suck like in the nighthawk thread:::: u suck for an instance in that cose it took a lot of time to fix something but this is outrageous if ur not capable step down::::: just step down and keep quiet
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Kunming
Amarr
adeptus gattacus
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.11.19 13:48:00 -
[1068]
Originally by: Lilani Kuzma
...if ur not capable step down::::: just step down and keep quiet
Exactly my thought TBH, I was even thinking about making a new topic on this. Tuxford has not only dissapointed the deimos fans and blaster/laser users for some time now, but also showed quite a lack of expertise with the complete balancing of the game. Just recently the balancing of drake: Even I, as a missile-hater, know that the problem was not with the DPS but with the tank it could fit on.. then we have the whole ECM/EW, Amarr, useless ships (stealth bombers..), etc issues!
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slothe
Caldari
Forsaken Empire
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Posted - 2006.11.20 10:16:00 -
[1069]
can we have someone in ccp comment on the deimos please?
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GO MaZ
The Priory
Shroud Of Darkness
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Posted - 2006.11.20 11:16:00 -
[1070]
Originally by: slothe
can we have someone in ccp comment on the deimos please?
The comment was back on page 20-something "I'm looking into it.".
Looking back now, I'm assuming what he would've said had he elaborated is "I'm looking into giving you guys a small PG and CPU boost, so you can fit your ships slightly better, and then what I'm going to do is boost all the other ships that can fit plates / extenders, nerf blasters and make all the modules that a deimos CAN'T fit totally mandatory in PVP. I do this because I lost my PVP virginity to a deimos pilot." 
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Lucus Ranger
Gallente
Reikoku
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.20 11:18:00 -
[1071]
*sigh* I knew this would happen..
Almost 1 year on from this thread, only 1 minor improvement on sisi which tbh did hardly anything and it gets nullified by the new hp boost...
Think I'll just keep mine as a npcing ship now 
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slothe
Caldari
Forsaken Empire
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Posted - 2006.11.20 13:29:00 -
[1072]
Edited by: slothe on 20/11/2006 13:30:59
Originally by: Lucus Ranger
Think I'll just keep mine as a npcing ship now
i would.....but the beagles better  
my anti-guristas beagle has 4 neutrons, 2 heavy launchers, 10mn mwd, large shield extender , webber, kinetic hardner, small gisti booster, 2x pds, 2x mag stabs.
5.5k shields, good passive recharge, dont relly need to use small booster which runs indefinately, good speed and cap / cap recharge, great damage.
i tried the deimos but thats better :/
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Lilani Kuzma
Gallente
Brass Monkeys Society
The SUdden Death Squad
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Posted - 2006.11.21 21:07:00 -
[1073]
mmm :/ help the deimos
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Tetovo
Caldari
Black Lance
Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2006.11.22 21:55:00 -
[1074]
Sad to see what kali has done to blasterboats, especially this one.
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phillie blunt
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Posted - 2006.11.23 00:56:00 -
[1075]
this ship need more boost CCP! plsssss /me *crie* 
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Ihar Enda
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.11.23 15:40:00 -
[1076]
I took the liberty of posting a Deimos thread in the Kali/Revelations forums. Maybe it'll get noticed there. Feel free to bump. 
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slothe
Caldari
Forsaken Empire
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Posted - 2006.11.23 15:51:00 -
[1077]
i would never shamelesly bump a thread. shame on you for even suggesting it.
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Ihar Enda
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.11.23 16:00:00 -
[1078]
Originally by: slothe
i would never shamelesly bump a thread. shame on you for even suggesting it.
Thanks for bumping this thread though. 
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Jenstruant Fogg
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Posted - 2006.11.23 16:07:00 -
[1079]
Originally by: Ihar Enda
Originally by: slothe
i would never shamelesly bump a thread. shame on you for even suggesting it.
Thanks for bumping this thread though.
Someone lacks sarcasm/ironical wit
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Gariuys
Evil Strangers Inc.
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Posted - 2006.11.23 18:04:00 -
[1080]
In 1 week, this thread will have been going for a year!
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