considering that logi's are typically used as accessories to people blowing each other up, not so much really.

Edit: Also not understanding the logic behind the 2 being vastly different in purpose to begin with, considering the current pirate lines.

As opposed to lasers and combat drones? Logistics is a pacifist profession in comparison to pew pew laser boats.

Confirming new Gila will be different and hopefully very cool.

Also, these can't use covops jump portals. They aren't T2.

And yes, you can use covert portals.

I'm not the one who stated they would create a humanitarian ship, so your looking at the wrong person for that reasoning. The SOE I've worked for has no qualms about telling me to kill NPC's and even gives me shiny exploration goods for it (which are frequently used to find more NPC's or players to kill). For THAT SOE these ships fit quite well.

So GǪ drone + ECM, dropping the missile bonus?

drones

ECMs

We need a missile pirate faction ship, and Guristas becoming very tough missile brawlers would help distance them from the SOE ships as well.

Some changes to the stats a bit that fit more to the covert ops tree inline with the other covert ops ships.

Astero

Role Bonus: +5000 km to scout drone control range <-Added role bonus

Covert Ops Skill Bonus: <-Changes from fixed stats to skill based
20% reduced CPU need for Cloaking Devices per level
10% increase to scan strength of probes per level
10% reduction to survey probe flight time per level
+2 Virus strength for Relic and Data analyzers per level

Can fit Cover Ops Cloaking devices

Amarr Frigate Bonus:
4% bonus to Armor Resists

Gallente Frigate Bonus:
10% bonus to drone hitpoints and speed <-Changed drone bonus to hitpoints/speed

Slot layout: 2H, 4M, 4L; 2 turrets, 2 launchers <-Added 2 launcher slots
Fittings: 32 PWG, 170 CPU
Defense (shields / armor / hull) : 540 / 600 / 600
Capacitor (amount) : 430
Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / align time): 312 / 2.87 / 975000 / 3.88s
Drones (bandwidth / bay): 25 / 75
Targeting (max targeting range / Scan Resolution / Max Locked targets): 37km / 620 / 6
Sensor strength: 13
Signature radius: 35
Cargo Capacity: 210


Stratios

Role Bonus: 50% reduction in Energy Turret or Hybrid Turret capacitor need

Covert Ops Skill Bonus: <-Changes from fixed stats to skill based
20% reduced CPU need for Cloaking Devices per level
10% increase to scan strength of probes per level
10% reduction to survey probe flight time per level
+2 Virus strength for Relic and Data analyzers per level

Can fit Cover Ops Cloaking devices

Amarr Cruiser Bonus:
4% bonus to Armor Resists

Gallente Cruiser Bonus:
10% bonus to Drone hitpoints and damage

Slot layout: 5H, 4M, 6L; 4 turrets, 4 launchers <-Changes from 5H 5M 5L and 4 and 0
Fittings: 920 PWG, 400 CPU
Defense (shields / armor / hull) : 1950 / 2400 / 2450
Capacitor (amount) : 1700
Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / align time): 182 / .47 / 9350000 / 6.09s
Drones (bandwidth / bay): 125 / 500
Targeting (max targeting range / Scan Resolution / Max Locked targets): 55km / 275 / 7
Sensor strength: 20
Signature radius: 150
Cargo Capacity: 550

This ship is outclassing ships that are dedicated to drones, while having a CovCloak.

When the loudest echo in the thread is "I'll take 10 of the cruiser" voiced from both PvP and PvE players, I think you have to question if the ship is balanced.

As it stands, the cruiser with its 125mb, just absolutely absurd 500m3 drone bay, drone damage bonus' and ability to cloak is just lunacy. There are people in the thread asking for even more damage and CPU to be fit. Someone posted that they wanted a bonus that gave them 0 seconds of targeting delay coming out of cloak. Maybe just add an instakill button on it instead?

I feel that some individuals think that they will be the only people able to access this ship. I've seen numerous fits where the dps with a cloak fitted is 850+ unheated.

The cruiser needs to re-tuned for more exploration and less gank/damage potential. This ship is outclassing ships that are dedicated to drones, while having a CovCloak.



Take the bandwidth/bay down, or we'll just be playing Eve: Stratios

Other than, ya know, EWAR bonuses...

The model beats the hell out of all of EWar bonuses who am I kidding

I really have nothing better to do than sit here and make stupid fits for a stupid ship that really should not go live in its current state.

The nearest comparison right now is the Gila. The SOE cruiser has more DPS than a Gila, and can fit a cloak. I agree with your sentiment. A compromise could be the removal of rig slots, reduction of calibration to prevent the use of sentry drone rigs, and the removal of weapon hardpoints.

Replacing 25Mbps of drone control with a logistics bonus would be really nice, IMHO. Why does a new ship have to have DPS as its primary characteristic?

I think we need to backup here a second. People will always go to extremes when things like this come up. Everyone wants an i win button and of course people are going to try and shoehorn the ship into a pvp gank special. Its upto the devs to ensure its not too powerful in that respect. Nerfing the drone bay way down is counter intuitive to what the stated goals of the ship are. Long deployments of solo exploration and taking out targets of opportunity.

Right; I'm voicing my concern in a topic created by the developers in an effort to have my opinion heard. I do not agree with your argument that nerfing the drone bay is counter-intuitive. If the goal is "Long deployments of solo exploration", then perhaps the ship could have an ability to resupply the drone bay from the cargo bay after a period of 10 minutes of being PvP inactive - while increasing the overall cargo hold of the ship. Then you are looking at say a 100mb/100m3 drones, with an ability to swap a different set from your cargo bay out of combat, actually increasing your extended drone bay to whatever your cargo capacity can hold, while decreasing the absurd 500m3 in combat bay.

Did you miss the part where these are supposed to be all in one, solo, exploration ships that can solo a 6/10 complex?

They have to be this powerful to accomplish that.

Also, see what numbers you can get when you fit it for all in one exploitation, complete with probe launcher, cloak, data and relic analyzers. Since you have nothing better to do.

due to earlier posts about the Astero high slot problem, I suggest giving it a drone damage bonus. it doesn't make sense not enabling it to use turrets when doing its job AND not giving it a drone damage bonus of at least 15% per level.

and a utility high on both the frig and cruiser. why enable 4 turrets when you can only use 3?!

The frigate already gets a big drone damage bonuse, It doesn't need guns.

The cruiser has 4 turret slots because you don't have to fit a probe launcher. You could fit a cloak and 4 guns.