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Scott Webb
Scott Webb Corp
8
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Posted - 2013.10.31 16:10:00 -
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Garviel Tarrant wrote:Volstruis wrote:Scott Webb wrote:Nerfing the ships to the point all excitement has gone, a new low even for CCP. Yeah. Bittervet EFT warrioring ruins another promising line of ships. Bad players get excited about overpowered things from thinking about how cool flying them will we Good players get mad about overpowered things from thinking about how awful they will be for everything else.
Well I will expand on my previous comment then. The original specs ( put together by GMs ) of the cruiser showed great promise in its role as a exploratory ship( one would assume in a singular player role as opposed to a collective gang), without being over the top as regards DPS. After all it's bonuses to tank is in armour not shield. Instead like many ships in eve, it is nerfed to such an extent that you end up relying on your buddies to come along as support in some way. The focus in this game as regards the promotion of collectivism while ignoring the needs of the individual who may just want to actually chill out and have some fun on their own is getting painful. And to try an intellectually shoot down in flames anyone not for collectivism and on message using techniques like the Delphi is certainly becoming more apparent.
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Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd CAStabouts
922
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Posted - 2013.10.31 16:12:00 -
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TrouserDeagle wrote:50 bandwidth and double damage bonus pls.
That's a very interesting idea. Two sentries becomes equivalent to four and a flight of mediums deals the same damage as a full flight of heavies.
What are you trying to achieve with an approach like this?
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MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1450
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Posted - 2013.10.31 16:14:00 -
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CCP Rise wrote:Quote:I was just thinking that instead of reducing the Stratios' firepower by limiting it's drone bandwidth, you could give it the same bonus as the Astero - 20% bonus to drone hitpoints Yep we thought of something like this also, but really it's much worse. Like others said above, the hp isn't nearly as useful on the cruiser, and it's a huge damage nerf. 50% instead of 20%. What about a 25% bonus to hp and damage per level but only for medium drones...
That keeps max dps under 600 but allows for great applied dps There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... Winter Expansion new ship request |
Scott Webb
Scott Webb Corp
8
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Posted - 2013.10.31 16:17:00 -
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MeBiatch wrote:CCP Rise wrote:Quote:I was just thinking that instead of reducing the Stratios' firepower by limiting it's drone bandwidth, you could give it the same bonus as the Astero - 20% bonus to drone hitpoints Yep we thought of something like this also, but really it's much worse. Like others said above, the hp isn't nearly as useful on the cruiser, and it's a huge damage nerf. 50% instead of 20%. What about a 25% bonus to hp and damage per level but only for medium drones... That keeps max dps under 600 but allows for great applied dps
That I can agree with :) |
TrouserDeagle
Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel
428
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Posted - 2013.10.31 16:18:00 -
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Alvatore DiMarco wrote:TrouserDeagle wrote:50 bandwidth and double damage bonus pls. That's a very interesting idea. Two sentries becomes equivalent to four and a flight of mediums deals the same damage as a full flight of heavies. What are you trying to achieve with an approach like this?
Forget sentries for a minute. It's like heavy drones, except they can move faster than a drake, they can hit cruisers, they use less space, they are harder to kill and they are more easily replaced. Much better than 5 heavies and a 37% tracking and speed bonus or whatever they put on the ishtar and navy vexor. |
Kagura Nikon
Mentally Assured Destruction The Pursuit of Happiness
623
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Posted - 2013.10.31 16:27:00 -
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Scott Webb wrote:MeBiatch wrote:CCP Rise wrote:Quote:I was just thinking that instead of reducing the Stratios' firepower by limiting it's drone bandwidth, you could give it the same bonus as the Astero - 20% bonus to drone hitpoints Yep we thought of something like this also, but really it's much worse. Like others said above, the hp isn't nearly as useful on the cruiser, and it's a huge damage nerf. 50% instead of 20%. What about a 25% bonus to hp and damage per level but only for medium drones... That keeps max dps under 600 but allows for great applied dps That I can agree with :)
then for what woudl you want the 125m bw? Geez people check the numbers.. and see how nonsense this is.
Stop being whiny and use 3 sentries and 2 mediusm like good boys. "If brute force does not solve your problem..... -áthen you are -ásurely not using enough!" |
Kagura Nikon
Mentally Assured Destruction The Pursuit of Happiness
623
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Posted - 2013.10.31 16:27:00 -
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Alvatore DiMarco wrote:TrouserDeagle wrote:50 bandwidth and double damage bonus pls. That's a very interesting idea. Two sentries becomes equivalent to four and a flight of mediums deals the same damage as a full flight of heavies. What are you trying to achieve with an approach like this?
That would be STUPIDLY overpowered against smaller ships. "If brute force does not solve your problem..... -áthen you are -ásurely not using enough!" |
TrouserDeagle
Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel
428
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Posted - 2013.10.31 16:31:00 -
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Kagura Nikon wrote:Alvatore DiMarco wrote:TrouserDeagle wrote:50 bandwidth and double damage bonus pls. That's a very interesting idea. Two sentries becomes equivalent to four and a flight of mediums deals the same damage as a full flight of heavies. What are you trying to achieve with an approach like this? That would be STUPIDLY overpowered against smaller ships.
As opposed to a rapid light cerb, which isn't overpowered at all. |
Suchi Isayeki
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2013.10.31 17:20:00 -
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Does this Intentionally leave out a requirement/bonus for the CovOps skill? |
Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd CAStabouts
922
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Posted - 2013.10.31 17:38:00 -
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Suchi Isayeki wrote:Does this Intentionally leave out a requirement/bonus for the CovOps skill?
The covops cloak fits as a role bonus, and there is deliberately no CPU reduction for covops cloaks or expanded launchers. |
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Harvey James
The Sengoku Legacy
580
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Posted - 2013.10.31 17:51:00 -
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RISE... so will all pirate ships get 3 role bonuses from now on? Tech 3's need to be multi role ships not cruiser hulls with battleship tank and insane resists ABC's are clearly T2 in all but name AB's need a buff-á like a big mass reduction ... module tiercide FTW role based instead of tiers please. |
Malcolm Malicious
Malware Detected Brave Collective
43
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Posted - 2013.10.31 18:55:00 -
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TrouserDeagle wrote:Kagura Nikon wrote:Alvatore DiMarco wrote:TrouserDeagle wrote:50 bandwidth and double damage bonus pls. That's a very interesting idea. Two sentries becomes equivalent to four and a flight of mediums deals the same damage as a full flight of heavies. What are you trying to achieve with an approach like this? That would be STUPIDLY overpowered against smaller ships. As opposed to a rapid light cerb, which isn't overpowered at all.
This is a cool idea. Super scout drones. |
Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd CAStabouts
923
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Posted - 2013.10.31 19:01:00 -
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Are the stupidly overpowered medium/light drones balanced out by having base speed and base HP? I didn't see anything in the suggestion other than "100% bonus to drone damage". |
elitatwo
Congregatio
132
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Posted - 2013.10.31 19:05:00 -
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But what about lasers?
I still think the range and cap bonus are not the selling points of the year and a rof or damage bonus would be sexy - along with 4 speedy heavy or 5 bonused Hammerhe- errm medium drones.
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TrouserDeagle
Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel
428
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Posted - 2013.10.31 19:54:00 -
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Malcolm Malicious wrote:TrouserDeagle wrote:Kagura Nikon wrote:Alvatore DiMarco wrote:TrouserDeagle wrote:50 bandwidth and double damage bonus pls. That's a very interesting idea. Two sentries becomes equivalent to four and a flight of mediums deals the same damage as a full flight of heavies. What are you trying to achieve with an approach like this? That would be STUPIDLY overpowered against smaller ships. As opposed to a rapid light cerb, which isn't overpowered at all. This is a cool idea. Super scout drones.
Not even that. It's just medium drones for medium ships. |
Thaddeus Eggeras
TwoTenX LEGIO ASTARTES ARCANUM
58
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Posted - 2013.10.31 19:57:00 -
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CCP lets get these on sisi, come on |
PotatoOverdose
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
466
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Posted - 2013.10.31 20:21:00 -
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Thaddeus Eggeras wrote:CCP lets get these on sisi, come on At this point, this needs needs to happen. It's been EFT warriorred as much as it's going to be EFT warriored. Now we need to see it in action. |
Galphii
Oberon Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
187
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Posted - 2013.10.31 23:28:00 -
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CCP Rise wrote:Quote:I was just thinking that instead of reducing the Stratios' firepower by limiting it's drone bandwidth, you could give it the same bonus as the Astero - 20% bonus to drone hitpoints Yep we thought of something like this also, but really it's much worse. Like others said above, the hp isn't nearly as useful on the cruiser, and it's a huge damage nerf. 50% instead of 20%.
I'm glad someone did the maths, I was clearly too lazy to X |
Thaddeus Eggeras
TwoTenX LEGIO ASTARTES ARCANUM
58
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Posted - 2013.11.01 01:33:00 -
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But why, 10% to HP and damage, all drone boats cruiser and up get it, that it doesn't make small and med drones OP. I do wish they would have only gave it 2 slots for guns and gave it 100% to laser damage, and only gave it 4 highs, and another mid or low but oh well. Again just get it on sisi. I don't see the cruiser being OP at all really, and the frigate seems to be even a bit under the curve, but till we see it on sisi we just won't know. And give me the BS version! |
Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd CAStabouts
925
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Posted - 2013.11.01 02:43:00 -
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There's a Mass Test coming up on the 4th, with the stated intent of testing client/server performance in Rubicon. This would seem to suggest that there's going to be something to test, which would imply (to me at least) that we're going to have a new build by then. The SoE ships should be in it, judging by what we've been told previously by Fozzie. |
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UGG10
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2013.11.01 06:47:00 -
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These ships has ONLY ONE positive plus = NO NEED A LOT OF SKILLS FOR FLLY WITH COVERT CLOAKS !
All other is COMPLETELY SCRAP!
1. If these vessels is focused for DED spaces and WH, PLESE remove the aggro on the drones in DED and WH spaces, that time i see sense for drones offensive. 2. Without logist theys no have active tank(i mean inpossible for tanking WH or 6/10, for someone and 4/10). These vessels how many i know is focused for solo travelers
This time these vessels calculated ONLY for: PIRATES,THIEF's and GANKERS
If CCP & ISP WANT create normal solo explorers ship, need completely change theys:
1. Offensive Heavy missiles [recomendation long range&DPS 300-500] plus 5x small drones[for some small targets] 25mb/s bandwith [recomendation dronebay 30] 2. Tanking ONLY shield tanking
If not thange theys configuration to this, were i writed, these ships will be useless for good exploration.
How many i see all writet comments, I can safely say that this forum is going pouring from an empty bucket-to empty bucket, or is going subservience to CCP and ISP. Or most commentatos is alts of the these ships creators. WHY i say that? I say because most comments is completely nonsense or talking about pirating ganking and same themes not related to the professional exploration or cleaning DED/WH
Maybe my comment to some people, and not like it, but the truth is that it is. Truth is not always pleasant unheard.
I'm in EVE from 2005 = PVP,PVE & maybe 1year manufacturing [nullsec/wh/hisec] |
Onictus
Silver Snake Enterprise Fatal Ascension
576
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Posted - 2013.11.01 07:45:00 -
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UGG10 wrote:These ships has ONLY ONE positive plus = NO NEED A LOT OF SKILLS FOR FLLY WITH COVERT CLOAKS ! All other is COMPLETELY SCRAP! 1. If these vessels is focused for DED spaces and WH, PLESE remove the aggro on the drones in DED and WH spaces, that time i see sense for drones offensive. 2. Without logist theys no have active tank(i mean inpossible for tanking WH or 6/10, for someone and 4/10). These vessels how many i know is focused for solo travelers This time these vessels calculated ONLY for: PIRATES,THIEF's and GANKERS If CCP & ISP WANT create normal solo explorers ship, need completely change theys: 1. Offensive Heavy missiles [recomendation long range&DPS 300-500] plus 5x small drones[for some small targets] 25mb/s bandwith [recomendation dronebay 30] 2. Tanking ONLY shield tanking If not thange theys configuration to this, were i writed, these ships will be useless for good exploration. How many i see all writet comments, I can safely say that this forum is going pouring from an empty bucket-to empty bucket, or is going subservience to CCP and ISP. Or most commentatos is alts of the these ships creators. WHY i say that? I say because most comments is completely nonsense or talking about pirating ganking and same themes not related to the professional exploration or cleaning DED/WH Maybe my comment to some people, and not like it, but the truth is that it is. Truth is not always pleasant unheard. I'm in EVE from 2005 = PVP,PVE & maybe 1year manufacturing [nullsec/wh/hisec]
If you are going to be wrong be wrong loudly.
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Elijah Aldent
FireStar Inc Get Off My Lawn
0
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Posted - 2013.11.01 08:06:00 -
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UGG10 wrote:These ships has ONLY ONE positive plus = NO NEED A LOT OF SKILLS FOR FLLY WITH COVERT CLOAKS ! All other is COMPLETELY SCRAP! 1. If these vessels is focused for DED spaces and WH, PLESE remove the aggro on the drones in DED and WH spaces, that time i see sense for drones offensive. 2. Without logist theys no have active tank(i mean inpossible for tanking WH or 6/10, for someone and 4/10). These vessels how many i know is focused for solo travelers This time these vessels calculated ONLY for: PIRATES,THIEF's and GANKERS If CCP & ISP WANT create normal solo explorers ship, need completely change theys: 1. Offensive Heavy missiles [recomendation long range&DPS 300-500] plus 5x small drones[for some small targets] 25mb/s bandwith [recomendation dronebay 30] 2. Tanking ONLY shield tanking If not thange theys configuration to this, were i writed, these ships will be useless for good exploration. How many i see all writet comments, I can safely say that this forum is going pouring from an empty bucket-to empty bucket, or is going subservience to CCP and ISP. Or most commentatos is alts of the these ships creators. WHY i say that? I say because most comments is completely nonsense or talking about pirating ganking and same themes not related to the professional exploration or cleaning DED/WH Maybe my comment to some people, and not like it, but the truth is that it is. Truth is not always pleasant unheard. I'm in EVE from 2005 = PVP,PVE & maybe 1year manufacturing [nullsec/wh/hisec]
Holy... |
Kagura Nikon
Mentally Assured Destruction The Pursuit of Happiness
626
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Posted - 2013.11.01 09:00:00 -
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UGG10 wrote:These ships has ONLY ONE positive plus = NO NEED A LOT OF SKILLS FOR FLLY WITH COVERT CLOAKS ! All other is COMPLETELY SCRAP! 1. If these vessels is focused for DED spaces and WH, PLESE remove the aggro on the drones in DED and WH spaces, that time i see sense for drones offensive. 2. Without logist theys no have active tank(i mean inpossible for tanking WH or 6/10, for someone and 4/10). These vessels how many i know is focused for solo travelers This time these vessels calculated ONLY for: PIRATES,THIEF's and GANKERS If CCP & ISP WANT create normal solo explorers ship, need completely change theys: 1. Offensive Heavy missiles [recomendation long range&DPS 300-500] plus 5x small drones[for some small targets] 25mb/s bandwith [recomendation dronebay 30] 2. Tanking ONLY shield tanking If not thange theys configuration to this, were i writed, these ships will be useless for good exploration. How many i see all writet comments, I can safely say that this forum is going pouring from an empty bucket-to empty bucket, or is going subservience to CCP and ISP. Or most commentatos is alts of the these ships creators. WHY i say that? I say because most comments is completely nonsense or talking about pirating ganking and same themes not related to the professional exploration or cleaning DED/WH Maybe my comment to some people, and not like it, but the truth is that it is. Truth is not always pleasant unheard. I'm in EVE from 2005 = PVP,PVE & maybe 1year manufacturing [nullsec/wh/hisec]
So do not fly it!
I, on my 120M SP love them and will use them a lot, and obviously not for the less SP needed thing...
"If brute force does not solve your problem..... -áthen you are -ásurely not using enough!" |
epicurus ataraxia
Broken Wheel Mercantile and Trading Company Illusion of Solitude
86
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Posted - 2013.11.01 09:06:00 -
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Elijah Aldent wrote:UGG10 wrote:These ships has ONLY ONE positive plus = NO NEED A LOT OF SKILLS FOR FLLY WITH COVERT CLOAKS ! All other is COMPLETELY SCRAP! 1. If these vessels is focused for DED spaces and WH, PLESE remove the aggro on the drones in DED and WH spaces, that time i see sense for drones offensive. 2. Without logist theys no have active tank(i mean inpossible for tanking WH or 6/10, for someone and 4/10). These vessels how many i know is focused for solo travelers This time these vessels calculated ONLY for: PIRATES,THIEF's and GANKERS If CCP & ISP WANT create normal solo explorers ship, need completely change theys: 1. Offensive Heavy missiles [recomendation long range&DPS 300-500] plus 5x small drones[for some small targets] 25mb/s bandwith [recomendation dronebay 30] 2. Tanking ONLY shield tanking If not thange theys configuration to this, were i writed, these ships will be useless for good exploration. How many i see all writet comments, I can safely say that this forum is going pouring from an empty bucket-to empty bucket, or is going subservience to CCP and ISP. Or most commentatos is alts of the these ships creators. WHY i say that? I say because most comments is completely nonsense or talking about pirating ganking and same themes not related to the professional exploration or cleaning DED/WH Maybe my comment to some people, and not like it, but the truth is that it is. Truth is not always pleasant unheard. I'm in EVE from 2005 = PVP,PVE & maybe 1year manufacturing [nullsec/wh/hisec] Holy...
He has sort of one good point,I would like to see drone aggro dialed back from 11. The rest of the post...........? Asteros and Stratios are beautiful. CCP Please Make these ships Truly function as Exploration ships, +10 Virus strength ...Thank you! |
Kagura Nikon
Mentally Assured Destruction The Pursuit of Happiness
626
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Posted - 2013.11.01 09:34:00 -
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UGG10 wrote:These ships has ONLY ONE positive plus = NO NEED A LOT OF SKILLS FOR FLLY WITH COVERT CLOAKS ! All other is COMPLETELY SCRAP! 1. If these vessels is focused for DED spaces and WH, PLESE remove the aggro on the drones in DED and WH spaces, that time i see sense for drones offensive. 2. Without logist theys no have active tank(i mean inpossible for tanking WH or 6/10, for someone and 4/10). These vessels how many i know is focused for solo travelers This time these vessels calculated ONLY for: PIRATES,THIEF's and GANKERS If CCP & ISP WANT create normal solo explorers ship, need completely change theys: 1. Offensive Heavy missiles [recomendation long range&DPS 300-500] plus 5x small drones[for some small targets] 25mb/s bandwith [recomendation dronebay 30] 2. Tanking ONLY shield tanking If not thange theys configuration to this, were i writed, these ships will be useless for good exploration. How many i see all writet comments, I can safely say that this forum is going pouring from an empty bucket-to empty bucket, or is going subservience to CCP and ISP. Or most commentatos is alts of the these ships creators. WHY i say that? I say because most comments is completely nonsense or talking about pirating ganking and same themes not related to the professional exploration or cleaning DED/WH Maybe my comment to some people, and not like it, but the truth is that it is. Truth is not always pleasant unheard. I'm in EVE from 2005 = PVP,PVE & maybe 1year manufacturing [nullsec/wh/hisec]
then post with a main, because I do not believe someone that is as old as I am in this game can be so clueless. "If brute force does not solve your problem..... -áthen you are -ásurely not using enough!" |
UGG10
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2013.11.01 15:12:00 -
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Kagura Nikon wrote:UGG10 wrote:These ships has ONLY ONE positive plus = NO NEED A LOT OF SKILLS FOR FLLY WITH COVERT CLOAKS ! All other is COMPLETELY SCRAP! 1. If these vessels is focused for DED spaces and WH, PLESE remove the aggro on the drones in DED and WH spaces, that time i see sense for drones offensive. 2. Without logist theys no have active tank(i mean inpossible for tanking WH or 6/10, for someone and 4/10). These vessels how many i know is focused for solo travelers This time these vessels calculated ONLY for: PIRATES,THIEF's and GANKERS If CCP & ISP WANT create normal solo explorers ship, need completely change theys: 1. Offensive Heavy missiles [recomendation long range&DPS 300-500] plus 5x small drones[for some small targets] 25mb/s bandwith [recomendation dronebay 30] 2. Tanking ONLY shield tanking If not thange theys configuration to this, were i writed, these ships will be useless for good exploration. How many i see all writet comments, I can safely say that this forum is going pouring from an empty bucket-to empty bucket, or is going subservience to CCP and ISP. Or most commentatos is alts of the these ships creators. WHY i say that? I say because most comments is completely nonsense or talking about pirating ganking and same themes not related to the professional exploration or cleaning DED/WH Maybe my comment to some people, and not like it, but the truth is that it is. Truth is not always pleasant unheard. I'm in EVE from 2005 = PVP,PVE & maybe 1year manufacturing [nullsec/wh/hisec] So do not fly it! I, on my 120M SP love them and will use them a lot, and obviously not for the less SP needed thing...
you say "not fly" , these my writed minds is not my alone , a lot of my friends only say "scrap" and forget about rubicon pach, only i one writed the comment, good luck and enjoy with new one "gift" ...... |
Darian en Chasteaux
EVE University Ivy League
3
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Posted - 2013.11.01 16:51:00 -
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Hi,
Only seeing 2 Amarr ships here - Why Drone Bonuses on Amarr - Drones are for Galente...
Darian |
Kagura Nikon
Mentally Assured Destruction The Pursuit of Happiness
631
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Posted - 2013.11.01 17:02:00 -
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Darian en Chasteaux wrote:Hi,
Only seeing 2 Amarr ships here - Why Drone Bonuses on Amarr - Drones are for Galente...
Darian
Check your prohpecy, arbitrator, Curse, Pilgrim and armageddon....
then do not even bother posting back here. "If brute force does not solve your problem..... -áthen you are -ásurely not using enough!" |
Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd CAStabouts
927
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Posted - 2013.11.01 18:31:00 -
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It's Nov. 1st. T-minus 18 days until Rubicon. Still no SoE ships for testing. It takes at least a week for the herd of cats I'll refer to as the SiSi Testing Community to properly put things through their paces and come up with data.
I don't want to sound like I'm whining or impatient, it's just that we're getting a bit close to the edge here. |
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