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Valterra Craven 115	Posted - 2013.10.02 18:00:00 - [151] - Quote Couple things. First it seems silly the explo ships designed for explo aren't very good at explo.... Right now the sisters explo probes are second best(RSS probes are slightly better) and probe launchers are the best in game. Doesn't it seem weird that they have really good launchers and probes but third rate ship bonuses? Shouldn't they at least match t2 bonuses or maybe even exceed them alittle? (on a side note, I also think the gnosis should get a full scan/virus strength bonus as well) If I need to explo in a frig, I'm just gonna get a buzzard and be done with it. It will likely cost less than the faction ship... While it may not have the defense or the damage of the SOA frig, it is at least good at explo... even though thats not what the buzzard was really designed for in the beginning. If I want an explo cruiser I'm going to get a t3... again better bonuses, way better defense, and likely same amount of offense, though probably more expensive than the SOE cruisers.
Bob FromMarketing ElitistOps Pandemic Legion 52	Posted - 2013.10.02 18:01:00 - [152] - Quote Question, why aren't they able to fit Covert Cynos, if the reasoning behind giving T3's Covert Cynos was that they can cloak and take a blops bridge, surely that applies to this?
Periapsis Retrograde Burn Hedion University Amarr Empire 3	Posted - 2013.10.02 18:02:00 - [153] - Quote Valterra Craven wrote: Couple things. First it seems silly the explo ships designed for explo aren't very good at explo.... If I need to explo in a frig, I'm just gonna get a buzzard and be done with it. It will likely cost less than the faction ship... While it may not have the defense or the damage of the SOA frig, it is at least good at explo... even though thats not what the buzzard was really designed for in the beginning. If I want an explo cruiser I'm going to get a t3... again better bonuses, way better defense, and likely same amount of offense, though probably more expensive than the SOE cruisers. I would like to point out one more thing though. Right now the sisters explo probes are second best(RSS probes are slightly better) and probe launchers are the best in game. Doesn't it seem weird that they have really good launchers and probes but third rate ship bonuses? Shouldn't they at least match t2 bonuses or maybe even exceed them alittle? The problem with SoE ships is that they follow the skill-split of pirateships, but cannot be as strong as pirate ships as their supply will be way, way higher (you can thank Osmon for that).
epicurus ataraxia Unchained Industrial Collective Defiance Enterprises 5	Posted - 2013.10.02 18:02:00 - [154] - Quote Valterra Craven wrote: Couple things. First it seems silly the explo ships designed for explo aren't very good at explo.... Right now the sisters explo probes are second best(RSS probes are slightly better) and probe launchers are the best in game. Doesn't it seem weird that they have really good launchers and probes but third rate ship bonuses? Shouldn't they at least match t2 bonuses or maybe even exceed them alittle? If I need to explo in a frig, I'm just gonna get a buzzard and be done with it. It will likely cost less than the faction ship... While it may not have the defense or the damage of the SOA frig, it is at least good at explo... even though thats not what the buzzard was really designed for in the beginning. . +1
WoAz Dark Mason Society WHY so Seri0Us 0	Posted - 2013.10.02 18:05:00 - [155] - Quote Is a SoE battleship in the works?
Valterra Craven 115	Posted - 2013.10.02 18:06:00 - [156] - Quote Periapsis Retrograde Burn wrote: The problem with SoE ships is that they follow the skill-split of pirateships, but cannot be as strong as pirate ships as their supply will be way, way higher (you can thank Osmon for that). Not really. The pirate skill split bonuses are to defense and offense (armor resists and drone damage) What I'm referring to are role bonuses, which aren't affected by skills.
Igor Nappi Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation 7	Posted - 2013.10.02 18:07:00 - [157] - Quote CCP Rise wrote: 'snip Drone and laser weapon systems with large cargo and drone bays so that you don't have to go home often Stratios Role Bonus: 50% reduction in Energy Turret capacitor need snip I think you meant drone and projectile (or hybrid for mad EFT deeps) weapons systems. Nobody used lasers on eg. Mallers before the tiericide gave it a damage bonus.
Gimble Revo G I A N T EoN. 13	Posted - 2013.10.02 18:08:00 - [158] - Quote Does the bonus to energy turret cap on the cruiser apply to small turrets too?
Barry Kring Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 1	Posted - 2013.10.02 18:08:00 - [159] - Quote Or you could just call them Pilgrim & Curse.
MeBiatch Republic University Minmatar Republic 1312	Posted - 2013.10.02 18:13:00 - [160] - Quote Barry Kring wrote: Or you could just call them Pilgrim & Curse. Oh cool they can use 5 heavies now! There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... Winter Expansion new ship request

William Darkk GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 14	Posted - 2013.10.02 18:13:00 - [161] - Quote I'd really like to see a battleship in that style. It's not like the SoE don't need a large ship for... carrying lots of medical supplies, honest!
Maximus Andendare Future Corps Sleeper Social Club 613	Posted - 2013.10.02 18:16:00 - [162] - Quote Wow! 125 mb/s for the cruiser! That is gonna be a monster. Love the looks of both of these ships. Step onto the battlefield, and you're already dead, born again at the end of the battle to live on and fight another day. >> Play Dust 514 FREE! Sign up for exclusive gear today! <<
Quinn Corvez Probe Patrol Polarized. 81	Posted - 2013.10.02 18:16:00 - [163] - Quote Feedback: both ships need more utility high slots to fit things like salvagers and remote reps (to repair drones). As they are armour tanked ships, they should have an 1 or 2 extra low slots so they can have a tank and fit a damage mod. In addition, I hope a battle ship is in the works. It should have similar bonuses the the frig and cruiser (including the covert cloak) but it should have a battle cruiser size mass to make it viable in W-space.
Dehval Risk Breakers Fidelas Constans 6	Posted - 2013.10.02 18:16:00 - [164] - Quote Really should move that 50% cap bonus to a 100% Laser damage bonus and then reduce the hardpoints. Right now it seems like people are only going to look at using lasers "just cause" when, for the most part, the other weapon systems will probably be more used and come out slightly ahead in practice. Also, if I had my way, I would switch the bonuses away from the Drone damage and more towards the Lasers. Replace 50% cap role bonus with 100% medium laser bonus damage. Reduce turret hardpoints to 2. Replace 50% drone damage and health with 7.5% bonus to armor reps. Replace 4% passive resist bonus to 5% medium laser rate of fire. Keep the drone bay/bandwidth the same. Would top out at 614 dps with Scorch (as opposed to the ridiculous 900 or so) assuming 2HS + DDA. More in line with what I think a Covert Cruiser should do in terms of damage. Right now the current platform sort of steps on the toes of the Ishtar/Vexor/Gila and doesn't really accomplish your goal of a laser/drone explorer. It's more of a covert drone explorer and the 50% cap bonus to lasers might as well be non-existent. I guess that would reduce its viability in doing all combat sites with more of the damage pushed towards the unchangeable lasers, but that is the price you pay for using that weapon system. But, you know, that's me. I figured that Lasers were the only weapon system yet to be found on a Covert class ship. This trend would likely continue with the current stats.
Imiarr Timshae Funny Men In Funny Hats 80	Posted - 2013.10.02 18:19:00 - [165] - Quote CCP Rise wrote: Confirming new Gila will be different and hopefully very cool. Now I thought pirate ships had their balance pass - some years ago sure. So basically the Gilas I have been using for years are being replaced by the SOE Gila. Is the rattlesnake getting a replacement or significant nerf? (and by nerf I mean changed in any way) Imiarr's Services: The Standing Correction Agency : https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=41506 Imiarr Timshae's FREE 3rd Party and Collateral Holding Service : https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3297432&#post3297432
Zurrdok Critical Mass ltd. 4	Posted - 2013.10.02 18:19:00 - [166] - Quote For Exploration Cargo minimum frigate 325 Cruiser 700 + hacking 5 is not enough
epicurus ataraxia Unchained Industrial Collective Defiance Enterprises 6	Posted - 2013.10.02 18:22:00 - [167] - Quote Zurrdok wrote: For Exploration Cargo minimum frigate 325 Cruiser 700 + hacking 5 is not enough All good points +1
Kagura Nikon Mentally Assured Destruction 534	Posted - 2013.10.02 18:25:00 - [168] - Quote Igor Nappi wrote: CCP Rise wrote: 'snip Drone and laser weapon systems with large cargo and drone bays so that you don't have to go home often Stratios Role Bonus: 50% reduction in Energy Turret capacitor need snip I think you meant drone and projectile (or hybrid for mad EFT deeps) weapons systems. Nobody used lasers on eg. Mallers before the tiericide gave it a damage bonus. Only the people with brain use leasers you mean. Stop looking at raw dps numbers and check the real projection of damage. I woudl love the current bonus exaclty because so many clueles people would fit AC on them makign them utter pathetic.
Thor Noatun University of Caille Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2013.10.02 18:25:00 - [169] - Quote I love the look. What about adding a bay for those new deployables. Like being able to carry a mobile depot to allow you to refit far away from home. Fits with the "home away from home" idea
Omnathious Deninard Novis Initiis 1604	Posted - 2013.10.02 18:25:00 - [170] - Quote The best slot layout would have to be 4/5/6. The +5 virus strength is plenty, for null one would usually be better off with a T3 due to the interdiction nullifier. The laser bonus I suspect will go mostly unused. But could be wrong. Novis Initiis is Recruting-á --á Ideas for Drone Improvement

Omnathious Deninard Novis Initiis 1604	Posted - 2013.10.02 18:28:00 - [171] - Quote Kagura Nikon wrote: Igor Nappi wrote: CCP Rise wrote: 'snip Drone and laser weapon systems with large cargo and drone bays so that you don't have to go home often Stratios Role Bonus: 50% reduction in Energy Turret capacitor need snip I think you meant drone and projectile (or hybrid for mad EFT deeps) weapons systems. Nobody used lasers on eg. Mallers before the tiericide gave it a damage bonus. Only the people with brain use leasers you mean. Stop looking at raw dps numbers and check the real projection of damage. I woudl love the current bonus exaclty because so many clueles people would fit AC on them makign them utter pathetic. Without any kind of damage bonus players will use whatever weapon they like best. The specifics of damage application or weapon effectiveness wont matter. for example despite the laser bonus I will end up using hybrids. Novis Initiis is Recruting-á --á Ideas for Drone Improvement
epicurus ataraxia Unchained Industrial Collective Defiance Enterprises 6	Posted - 2013.10.02 18:33:00 - [172] - Quote Thor Noatun wrote: I love the look. What about adding a bay for those new deployables. Like being able to carry a mobile depot to allow you to refit far away from home. Fits with the "home away from home" idea That's a great idea any way of making the cargo hold able to hold one of these plus a few supplies?
Kagura Nikon Mentally Assured Destruction 534	Posted - 2013.10.02 18:34:00 - [173] - Quote Omnathious Deninard wrote: Kagura Nikon wrote: Igor Nappi wrote: CCP Rise wrote: 'snip Drone and laser weapon systems with large cargo and drone bays so that you don't have to go home often Stratios Role Bonus: 50% reduction in Energy Turret capacitor need snip I think you meant drone and projectile (or hybrid for mad EFT deeps) weapons systems. Nobody used lasers on eg. Mallers before the tiericide gave it a damage bonus. Only the people with brain use leasers you mean. Stop looking at raw dps numbers and check the real projection of damage. I woudl love the current bonus exaclty because so many clueles people would fit AC on them makign them utter pathetic. Without any kind of damage bonus will use whatever weapon they like best. The specifics of damage application or weapon effectiveness wont matter. for example despite the laser bonus I will end up using hybrids. Hybrids are less bad than AC on an unbonused ship. But lasers have higher base damage and higher range than other turrets and with the cap usage bonus they use LESS capacitor than hybrids.
Owen Levanth Federated Deep Space Explorations 8	Posted - 2013.10.02 18:39:00 - [174] - Quote Omnathious Deninard wrote: The best slot layout would have to be 4/5/6. The +5 virus strength is plenty, for null one would usually be better off with a T3 due to the interdiction nullifier. The laser bonus I suspect will go mostly unused. But could be wrong. I disagree. 5/5/5 is good, there is no reason to change things around. Especially since you can just lug your mobile depot around to refit on the fly in a safe spot. Besides be honest, you only think 4/5/6 is better because you use it for you favourite fit or something.
Omnathious Deninard Novis Initiis 1604	Posted - 2013.10.02 18:41:00 - [175] - Quote Kagura Nikon wrote: Omnathious Deninard wrote: Without any kind of damage bonus will use whatever weapon they like best. The specifics of damage application or weapon effectiveness wont matter. for example despite the laser bonus I will end up using hybrids. Hybrids are less bad than AC on an unbonused ship. But lasers have higher base damage and higher range than other turrets and with the cap usage bonus they use LESS capacitor than hybrids. Almost but not quite, a heavy pulse laser ii will use just a smidge more cap per cycle than a 250mm railgun ii. Novis Initiis is Recruting-á --á Ideas for Drone Improvement
Vincent Ageon Phoenix Administration 0	Posted - 2013.10.02 18:52:00 - [176] - Quote Going for exploration as the main theme behind the new ships, it seems thats what the primary function as to ship bonuses should be. A few points/ideas/thoughts 1) The ship bonuses themselves, do they have to be the blanket bonuses were used to seeing already? Why not an added tractor when pulling in items from a data sight to make that go by faster and more efficient or a longer data/analyzer range so you don't need to be right on top of what your hacking? Perhaps these can be roll bonuses? 2) The roll bonuses, why is it necessary that the roll bonuses be completely static? Adding the skill up requirment like "covops". Yes it would increase the skill requirements for the ship itself, sure but as it seems the bonuses thus far are laid out for the ships to be awesome anyways, why not work hard for something awesome. 3)Harping on point 2. More so an idea; Spaceship Command > SOE Frigate/ SOE Cruiser Skill? For those roll specific bonuses. 4)The cruiser.... 500m3 drone bay? whaat? Ishtar, a TII dedicated DRONE boat doesn't even have that. As it stands the SOE cruiser has the 125mbit to launch the 5 heavies. CCP why not nerf this down a bit. In exchange, increase the cargo capacity to make room for spare drones and the new anchorable fitting mod that will be coming with Rubicon. Seems like that would be something a "long deployment cruiser" would want to take with them anyways, they can refit drones as they need and still make the Ishtar a viable choice for a large drone bay. As they would rival each other on raw drone dps the only leg up the Ishtar would have as a TII combat ship (note I didn't say exploration) is the ability to apply the damage with tracking and with better speed. 5)The frig bonuses to explo probably need to buffed a little to ensure it remains a viable choice compared to say, a cheetah for example when it comes to running sites. Like the second tractor idea stated in point 1. Obviously you wouldn't want to outrule the TII explo frigs but EVE has always been about specialization, where can the frig find its niche? 6)As far as reading many of these posts, I haven't seen many reminding/harping/ or even really noting the fact that these ships will have "high agility", and i'm assuming the purpose being quick align times when danger presents itself. I see a lot of posts saying "more pew pew for pvp" and while I agree all things should be broken and used I think the focus should remain its intended purpose for now. Regardless of how you tweak the specs it'll be used to kill things. 7)Laser cap reduction, I assume I'm in the same boat as everyone else as I seem to missing what the reduction in cap would actually be needed for and think most would assume its not and just end up using autocannons anyways. Was there something in the module setup that I missed? Why is the extra cap needed? 4% armor bonuses is awesome and true to the Amarr side of things. Armor rep would be more on the Gallante side but that would make "save as much cap" viable. Perhaps instead of a reduced cap bonus the cruiser can use a nuet bonus instead to shut off warp scrams and the like. That makes the reduced cap need for the lasers viable, uses up a high slot so its not so DPS heavy, allows the ship better survivability if it might escape, and gives it an interesting application in versatility to pvp fleets as everyone loves. The bonus would be small, sure and would definitely not match that of a cruiser designed for the role of neutering in pvp but idk. worth some thought. Anyways, these are my thoughts so far. Mostly would like to see something unique as a small tweak like added tractor or reduced tractor time for data sites or say a 20 km hack range. Just idea. Shoot em down, pick em apart. Vince out.
Stjaerna Ramundson 45	Posted - 2013.10.02 18:53:00 - [177] - Quote CCP Rise wrote: Stratios Amarr Cruiser Bonus: 4% bonus to Armor Resists Gallente Cruiser Bonus: 10% bonus to Drone hitpoints and damage Drones (bandwidth / bay): 125 / 500 500 m-¦ Drone Bay.. I hope you will review about this cargo... Also thinking again about 125 mbit/s. Thats real heavy, it is like a smash into the face of a BS ship (lower m-¦ cargo (all BS) hope, same mbit, same dmg mods as boni) edit: was a smash into face enough, that a cruiser have the same cargo like my BS :-/ (with same focus) 1. Eigenen Beitrag mit sachliche Argumentationen, Problemschilderung, Erkl+ñrung, L+¦sungsans+ñtzen formulieren. 2. Beitrag enth+ñlt eine eigene Meinung im Fazit zum Thema. 3. Negative +äu+ƒerungen, Drohungen usw. gegen++ber Nutzern haben in der Meinung nichts zu suchen.
Omnathious Deninard Novis Initiis 1604	Posted - 2013.10.02 18:57:00 - [178] - Quote Owen Levanth wrote: Omnathious Deninard wrote: The best slot layout would have to be 4/5/6. The +5 virus strength is plenty, for null one would usually be better off with a T3 due to the interdiction nullifier. The laser bonus I suspect will go mostly unused. But could be wrong. I disagree. 5/5/5 is good, there is no reason to change things around. Especially since you can just lug your mobile depot around to refit on the fly in a safe spot. Besides be honest, you only think 4/5/6 is better because you use it for you favourite fit or something. 5/5/5 and shield tanked will get you nearly 1k dps and decent tank still while being able to fly around cloaked (needs a cpu implant and some meta modules). by moving a high to a low, it cuts a decent amount of damage off or prohibits you from being able to warp around cloaked. Novis Initiis is Recruting-á --á Ideas for Drone Improvement
Twisted Chick 11	Posted - 2013.10.02 18:58:00 - [179] - Quote I WIL buy 6 of these. Title: She who hunts Pandas I Heard there was Pandas around here? You have Pandas? Give me your Pandas.
Igor Nappi Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation 7	Posted - 2013.10.02 18:59:00 - [180] - Quote Kagura Nikon wrote: Igor Nappi wrote: CCP Rise wrote: 'snip Drone and laser weapon systems with large cargo and drone bays so that you don't have to go home often Stratios Role Bonus: 50% reduction in Energy Turret capacitor need snip I think you meant drone and projectile (or hybrid for mad EFT deeps) weapons systems. Nobody used lasers on eg. Mallers before the tiericide gave it a damage bonus. Only the people with brain use leasers you mean. Stop looking at raw dps numbers and check the real projection of damage. I woudl love the current bonus exaclty because so many clueles people would fit AC on them makign them utter pathetic. I think this cruiser will most often be fighting withing scram range and thus the damage projection of lasers will be overshadowed by the problems with tracking. Kiting at the edge of point range with drones being your primary damage is kinda painful. Then again, I think most people will just fit some combination of cloak, probe launcher, NOSes and neuts in the highs so the bonus will be irrelevant.



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