Fourthly, +5 virus bonus is enough for lowsec, and as some people showed, allow for nullsec site gathering too....

Exploration encompasses more than just data and relic sites, combat sites are included in the "Exploration" category as well. If your main co seen is just relic and data sites there are much more specialized ships for you.

I don't want to be just GÇ£allowedGÇ¥ to hack and analyze in nullsec. I want to explore the nullsec frontier in earnest.

Asteros and Stratios are beautiful. CCP Please Make these ships Truly function as Exploration ships, +10 Virus strength please.

In fact, you sgnature says it all : you think the ships are beautiful, so you want to use them, so you ask CCP to adapt them for your playstyle...

You are a child asking for christmas gift and not happy about it.

The Stratios will be a steping stone between covops and T3, king of lowsec...

I don't remember exploration to be a guaranted payout activity...

Exploration encompasses more than just data and relic sites, combat sites are included in the "Exploration" category as well.

Many players by this point have started to realize these ships are aimed at low sec.

The idea that Sisters of Eve ships be relegated to a GÇ£stepping stoneGÇ¥ is a travesty.

The idea that Sisters of Eve ships be relegated to a GÇ£stepping stoneGÇ¥ is a travesty.

We are not asking for a win button, we are asking for these ships to be capable of being reasonably used, and can be improved if you wish to do this role efficiently.

Who gives a crap if someone might be posting stuff from multiple different accounts. As if one person pretending to be 2 people is really going to swing CCPs thoughts on how they should balance the ships.
CCP will balance it based on sensible thought out feedback that is put into constructive comments.

Sorry, but this ship is not designed as a pure data/relic site exploration ship. It has combat capabilities too which should hint you about its intended purpose.

Then why do they even have the +5 virus strength bonus?

looks good,

Will they cost around the same as other pirate ships? more/less?

looks good,

Will they cost around the same as other pirate ships? more/less?

I must agree.



Then why do they even have the +5 virus strength bonus?

Then why do they even have the +5 virus strength bonus?

They have there own role as an all in one exploration ship capable of doing both combat sites and relic and data sites. A T3 can get close but lacks the mid slots to keep the analyzers fit.

I said it plenty of times already : so that you can do the data/relic sites of lowsec ; lowsec where are the combat sites the Stratios will be able to go too.

How should I write it ? This ship is optimized for LOWSEC exploration. It won't do everything in nullsec. It might do the first combat sites there, and the +5 virus bonus will allow it to do the entry level nullsec data/relic sites, but that's all.

You want to end exploration ? SPECIALIZE or use an OP T3 ship.

So the can do a wide verity of sites and not just combat or data/relic sites.

...these ships will be great for a lot of different things meaning people will be trying to tug them in a few different directions...

Thank you for advising us of CCP's official position CCP Bouh.
Oh no wait....

I'm for tugging these ships in the direction of being good for nullsec hacking and analysis.
I had imagined probing the hostile expanse of nullsec with my SOE probes and SOE launcher bolted to an SOE Ship.
But if the specs remain as they are that will never happen.
And it seems such a terrible waste.

I'm for tugging these ships in the direction of being good for nullsec hacking and analysis.
I had imagined probing the hostile expanse of nullsec with my SOE probes and SOE launcher bolted to an SOE Ship.
But if the specs remain as they are that will never happen.
And it seems such a terrible waste.

Hey wanted to check in again.

We've been talking about these ships quite a lot the last day or two and still aren't settled on making any changes. I think we're in a relatively good spot, which is great. We do have some minor concerns about the power level that comes with a resist bonus and a full drone bandwidth allocation. That said, with no projection or application bonuses and larger sig there's still no way the Stratios can compete with the Ishtar at a fleet level so it's just a matter of figuring out if it's too much at a smaller scale, which is debatable to say the least.

We are also talking about the virus strength issue and there's good arguments on both sides. I think any change here will wait until we decide about the rest of the ship and be made in relation to those changes (for instance if it lost any damage output it would seem very sensible to increase the virus strength).

For now, I want to let this sit a bit longer while we think things over and see how the sisi feedback plays out.

Thanks for the discussion!

Hey wanted to check in again.

We've been talking about these ships quite a lot the last day or two and still aren't settled on making any changes. I think we're in a relatively good spot, which is great. We do have some minor concerns about the power level that comes with a resist bonus and a full drone bandwidth allocation. That said, with no projection or application bonuses and larger sig there's still no way the Stratios can compete with the Ishtar at a fleet level so it's just a matter of figuring out if it's too much at a smaller scale, which is debatable to say the least.

We are also talking about the virus strength issue and there's good arguments on both sides. I think any change here will wait until we decide about the rest of the ship and be made in relation to those changes (for instance if it lost any damage output it would seem very sensible to increase the virus strength).

For now, I want to let this sit a bit longer while we think things over and see how the sisi feedback plays out.

Thanks for the discussion!

Hey wanted to check in again.

We've been talking about these ships quite a lot the last day or two and still aren't settled on making any changes. I think we're in a relatively good spot, which is great. We do have some minor concerns about the power level that comes with a resist bonus and a full drone bandwidth allocation. That said, with no projection or application bonuses and larger sig there's still no way the Stratios can compete with the Ishtar at a fleet level so it's just a matter of figuring out if it's too much at a smaller scale, which is debatable to say the least.

We are also talking about the virus strength issue and there's good arguments on both sides. I think any change here will wait until we decide about the rest of the ship and be made in relation to those changes (for instance if it lost any damage output it would seem very sensible to increase the virus strength).

For now, I want to let this sit a bit longer while we think things over and see how the sisi feedback plays out.

Thanks for the discussion!

Hey wanted to check in again.

We've been talking about these ships quite a lot the last day or two and still aren't settled on making any changes. I think we're in a relatively good spot, which is great. We do have some minor concerns about the power level that comes with a resist bonus and a full drone bandwidth allocation. That said, with no projection or application bonuses and larger sig there's still no way the Stratios can compete with the Ishtar at a fleet level so it's just a matter of figuring out if it's too much at a smaller scale, which is debatable to say the least.

We are also talking about the virus strength issue and there's good arguments on both sides. I think any change here will wait until we decide about the rest of the ship and be made in relation to those changes (for instance if it lost any damage output it would seem very sensible to increase the virus strength).

For now, I want to let this sit a bit longer while we think things over and see how the sisi feedback plays out.

Thanks for the discussion!

I'm sure you'll take the right decision in the end, whatever the right decision is.

That being said... from what I had the opportunity to read, paper DPS of this ship exceeds not only other cov ops but even some other pirate ships. So, again, be careful about power creep !

Don't worry, such a ship will have a wide variety of use outside of your niche.