So what about a smaller tz-centric alliance that holds moons in low/npc null?

Why should the bar be raised to 24/7 coverage of moons? Why do you want them to recruit more people in order to be successful?

+1

Seriously, if an alliance of hundreds or thousands of players can't be bothered to put 1 alliance character in each system they own once every 3-4 hours, you deserve to lose the goo.

It takes seconds to scan and move on (especially with the warp changes), and you only have to get within 14AU to know if they're there.

A single char could check an entire region's moons in under 30 minutes.

So what about a smaller tz-centric alliance that holds moons in low/npc null?

Why should the bar be raised to 24/7 coverage of moons? Why do you want them to recruit more people in order to be successful?

That is one pathetically small region with tiny solar systems in it. Where is this mythical region of space?

I don't think that the ideal way to conduct war is to spam structures until one side gets bored and gives up. It should be about actually fighting your enemy.

can you name one of those smaller tz-centric alliance that holds any amounts of R64?
i won't be worried about those, they are much more active and would be able to watch theyr home much better then some big alliances; it's not like they will lose the moons, really, they will lose some income, life is hard, eve is not fair... they will move on...

They're tz-centric, so they can watch their autz really well?

Huh, I should've known.

do you see any member of those "tz-centric" alliances complaining here on this forum about it?
really, your worries for those small entitys are touching my heart , but like i've stated before, i'm sure they'll adapt and survive

... man i hate timers... all they lead to is blob fights... please ccp do every thing you can to get rid of timers

But how else to synchronize attacker and defender in real-world-time?

I think you underestimate just how much goons enjoy doing things purely for the sake of making someone else miserable.

The purpose of organization is to make the strengths of the individual members productive, and their weaknesses irrelevant. -- Peter Drucker, The Effective Executive

One genius of Goon-Leaders is to make individual's sociopathic behavior productive for organization-as-whole.

... I wonder if it would be worth having these things pop and drop a jetcan when they're full, so that you have two hours to pick up the loot before it goes bye-bye. That would create an implicit timer--either the ninja siphoner comes to empty the siphon out before it's full so that it doesn't pop, or they have two hours after it fills up to collect their loot before it vanishes--assuming that someone else hasn't helped themselves to it, of course.

Someone dropping them as an income-denying tactic wouldn't care either way, of course. But they would still have to either tend them or come back to drop new ones every so often if they wanted to keep the income denial up.

Aren't we already controlled by arm-banded thugs? Specially in nullsec

What, do you rent from Evoke?

... I wonder if it would be worth having these things pop and drop a jetcan when they're full, so that you have two hours to pick up the loot before it goes bye-bye. That would create an implicit timer--either the ninja siphoner comes to empty the siphon out before it's full so that it doesn't pop, or they have two hours after it fills up to collect their loot before it vanishes--assuming that someone else hasn't helped themselves to it, of course.

Someone dropping them as an income-denying tactic wouldn't care either way, of course. But they would still have to either tend them or come back to drop new ones every so often if they wanted to keep the income denial up.

CCP,

You'll need to re-evaluate the role that this module plays, along with its functions. As it is now, it will be more of a grief play tool than anything else. I'm not discrediting the module itself, just the way it's been implemented. I can easily see these things being spammed everywhere simply because "I can" and "for the lulz", with minimal repercussions.

Anyone who thinks this will affect larger alliances more than small corps is, IMO, wrong. Even small corps operating in lo sec will feel a greater burden, because they have less of a fallback cushion during a POS shutdown.

There simply needs to be more repercussion or risk to spamming these things about.

You know what? This is going to be awesome.

10 mill is too expensive for these siphons. The ones planted at valuable moons will just get blown up, while the ones planted at worthless moons won't run a profit, because it'll never be worth a pilot's time taking what they siphon.

They need to be cheaper to see significant use.

right and all those high value moons in low sec should then go to null right?

I'm fairly spacepoor for a goon and even I am planning on dropping at least half a billion on these if they are released as currently proposed just to screw with random pubbie shitlords, and I absolutely do not care if I ever get a drop of moon goo from them. In fact, I'm hoping some opportunistic scrubs will empty them for me. Maybe I'll give the locations to some randomly selected new players in starter systems just to get them going into low/null early on. So yes, make these cheaper.

But as a goon you are the 1%

As a goon, I'm supposed to be crying about these things, according to the posters here, but I really am starting to get excited about setting up a lowsec moon goo scavenger hunt for random new players.

Not really, no.
Good change is good. Bad changes, such as making the data export not export data, on the other hand is not good.