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Scuzzy Logic
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
120
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Posted - 2014.01.16 16:42:00 -
[2041] - Quote
Arthur Aihaken wrote:I think the best alternative is to postpone it...
Or to scrap the idea altogether. This and the TP nerf are dumbass moves on CCP's part. |
Uriel Paradisi Anteovnuecci
Umbrarum Paradisi
263
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Posted - 2014.01.17 01:09:00 -
[2042] - Quote
I just realized how much the omni changes will help the Nestor- it'll be helpful 
"A City made of Wood is built in the forest;
A City made of Stone is built in the mountains;
But a City made of Dreams....is built in heaven."
-Jovian Proverb-á |
Arthur Aihaken
The.VOID
2779
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Posted - 2014.01.17 02:30:00 -
[2043] - Quote
Uriel Paradisi Anteovnuecci wrote:I just realized how much the omni changes will help the Nestor- it'll be helpful
You mean it'll have the capacitor to run active omni units now? 
I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week. |
Uriel Paradisi Anteovnuecci
Umbrarum Paradisi
263
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Posted - 2014.01.17 02:33:00 -
[2044] - Quote
Arthur Aihaken wrote:Uriel Paradisi Anteovnuecci wrote:I just realized how much the omni changes will help the Nestor- it'll be helpful You mean it'll have the capacitor to run active omni units now?
Hah, that too... but really, now it'll be easier to compensate for the lack of the domi's tracking/range bonus: we'll be able to adjust accordingly with scripts and make it more versatile and usable (distance or tracking).
"A City made of Wood is built in the forest;
A City made of Stone is built in the mountains;
But a City made of Dreams....is built in heaven."
-Jovian Proverb-á |
Dehval
Risk Breakers
Fidelas Constans
41
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Posted - 2014.01.17 04:05:00 -
[2045] - Quote
Uriel Paradisi Anteovnuecci wrote:Arthur Aihaken wrote:Uriel Paradisi Anteovnuecci wrote:I just realized how much the omni changes will help the Nestor- it'll be helpful You mean it'll have the capacitor to run active omni units now? Hah, that too... but really, now it'll be easier to compensate for the lack of the domi's tracking/range bonus: we'll be able to adjust accordingly with scripts and make it more versatile and usable (distance or tracking).
You do realize it is a nerf to omni's, right?
Tracking will be slightly higher than before if you script for it (and overheat as well, I guess), but optimal will be much much lower (even after accounting for the additional falloff) when scripted and you don't get the benefit of both like we do now.
(T2)
Now = 25% tracking and 25% optimal
1.1 = 30% tracking OR 15% optimal + 30% falloff. 15/7.5/15 unscripted. |
Quinn Corvez
Probe Patrol
Polarized.
181
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Posted - 2014.01.17 07:50:00 -
[2046] - Quote
So it's gonna be even worse?  |
Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
1773
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Posted - 2014.01.17 07:50:00 -
[2047] - Quote
After testing the Nestor, I can say one thing:
At least it turns quickly. |
Arthur Aihaken
The.VOID
2779
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Posted - 2014.01.17 08:26:00 -
[2048] - Quote
Alvatore DiMarco wrote:After testing the Nestor, I can say one thing:
At least it turns quickly.
Is that enough of a redeeming feature for the $2-billion ISK pricetag?
I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week. |
Laner Irondoll
Viziam
Amarr Empire
1
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Posted - 2014.01.17 09:20:00 -
[2049] - Quote
I'm an explorer and the Nestor looks totally useless for exploration.
IMO drop the remote repairs bonus and add an hangar for 2 fitted cruisers. |
Irya Boone
TIPIAKS
333
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Posted - 2014.01.17 10:27:00 -
[2050] - Quote
no covert ops cloacking ? can we have an explanation Why blackops and nestor don't have covert ops cloaking device ability?
RENAME null sec systems With the name of REAL Universe Stellar Name like KOI-730 etc etc It will be awesome.
Need Black Ops be able to FIT cover ops cloaking device !!! |
Rek Seven
Probe Patrol
Polarized.
1313
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Posted - 2014.01.17 12:06:00 -
[2051] - Quote
I found CCP Rise
+1 |
Arthur Aihaken
The.VOID
2779
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Posted - 2014.01.17 17:16:00 -
[2052] - Quote
I found the Nestor shipyards...
I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week. |
Divi Filus
New Xenocracy
17
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Posted - 2014.01.17 17:47:00 -
[2053] - Quote
I always thought those drone bays looked a little battlestarish... |
Quinn Corvez
Probe Patrol
Polarized.
181
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Posted - 2014.01.17 17:48:00 -
[2054] - Quote
Look at I this way CCP Rise/Fozzie, for publicity sake, you can introduce the SOE BS by saying "Introdcuing the Nestor - it's like a weak dominix that has scanning bonuses"
Or you could say something like: "introducing the first covert ops battleship in new eden... The SOE Nestor".
Now which do you think is the most exciting and has the better chance of increasing/keeping subscriptions? |
Arthur Aihaken
The.VOID
2780
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Posted - 2014.01.17 17:51:00 -
[2055] - Quote
Quinn Corvez wrote:Look at I this way CCP Rise/Fozzie, for publicity sake, you can introduce the SOE BS by saying "Introdcuing the Nestor - it's like a weak dominix that has scanning bonuses"
Or you could say something like: "introducing the first covert ops battleship in new eden... The SOE Nestor".
Now which do you think is the most exciting and has the better chance of increasing/keeping subscriptions?
"Introducing the NestorGǪ All your ISK are belong to us."
I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week. |
Roy Alleyne
Dark Horizon Logistics and Intelligence
13
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Posted - 2014.01.17 18:15:00 -
[2056] - Quote
I've been thinking lore, dangerous I know... What better way to provide non-capsuleer rescue operations than by carrying around a dry dock with you? After all, when the USS Cole was damaged, they didn't send repair crews, they sent the Blue Marlin to scoop her up out of the sea and carry her home. Of course, those nasty capsuleers will probably use it to carry ships into battle rather than rescuing them, but is that really so nasty as to deny the poor, stranded masses of humanity suffering under the thumb of virtual gods from gaining a savior? |
Arthur Aihaken
The.VOID
2782
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Posted - 2014.01.17 18:19:00 -
[2057] - Quote
Roy Alleyne wrote:I've been thinking lore, dangerous I know... What better way to provide non-capsuleer rescue operations than by carrying around a dry dock with you?
Arguably, between the remote armor reps and drones - you could probably accomplish this with the existing fit. All you'd need is a bonus to remote hull reps and you'd be setGǪ I still won't pay $2-billion for it, I wouldn't even shell out $1-billion for it - and I don't think I'm alone in this respect.
I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week. |
Divi Filus
New Xenocracy
17
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Posted - 2014.01.17 18:33:00 -
[2058] - Quote
At this point it just sounds like they're giving themselves more to do for the pirate ship rebalance.
Now excuse me while I tape more tinfoil to my head. |
Aglais
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
457
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Posted - 2014.01.17 18:54:00 -
[2059] - Quote
Divi Filus wrote:At this point it just sounds like they're giving themselves more to do for the pirate ship rebalance.
Now excuse me while I tape more tinfoil to my head.
I think they can really take their time before they hit the point in time in which they start rebalancing pirate faction ships.
I still have a really bad feeling about what's going to happen to Gurista ships...
Maybe though they'll take another look at the SOE ships during that pass, though. And perhaps make the Nestor have a distinct set of skills that actually help it do something, like the Astero and Stratios. |
Divi Filus
New Xenocracy
17
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Posted - 2014.01.17 19:11:00 -
[2060] - Quote
Aglais wrote:I think they can really take their time before they hit the point in time in which they start rebalancing pirate faction ships.
You think wrong. |
Aglais
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
457
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Posted - 2014.01.17 19:19:00 -
[2061] - Quote
Divi Filus wrote:Aglais wrote:I think they can really take their time before they hit the point in time in which they start rebalancing pirate faction ships. You think wrong.
(screams internally)
Maybe if I sell it all now I can at least get ISK out of them.
Maybe this will be construed as a hint regarding general playerbase confidence in the latest ship rebalancing/design choices. |
Arthur Aihaken
The.VOID
2787
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Posted - 2014.01.17 23:29:00 -
[2062] - Quote
Aglais wrote:Maybe if I sell it all now I can at least get ISK out of them.
Rumour has it the Rattlesnake hull is changing from a Scorpion to a Raven... 
I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week. |
I am disposable
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
71
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Posted - 2014.01.17 23:45:00 -
[2063] - Quote
Guristas are going to get screwed so hard... |
Arthur Aihaken
The.VOID
2787
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Posted - 2014.01.17 23:56:00 -
[2064] - Quote
I am disposable wrote:Guristas are going to get screwed so hard...
The safest ships are the ones that have already seen a balance pass, so you may very well be right.
I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week. |
Roy Alleyne
Dark Horizon Logistics and Intelligence
13
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Posted - 2014.01.18 08:52:00 -
[2065] - Quote
Arthur Aihaken wrote:Roy Alleyne wrote:I've been thinking lore, dangerous I know... What better way to provide non-capsuleer rescue operations than by carrying around a dry dock with you? Arguably, between the remote armor reps and drones - you could probably accomplish this with the existing fit. All you'd need is a bonus to remote hull reps and you'd be setGǪ I still won't pay $2-billion for it, I wouldn't even shell out $1-billion for it - and I don't think I'm alone in this respect.
That post wasn't really designed to provide anything to the argument, if anyone does want to see my contributions I have 32 other posts (<- I had no idea I had posted that much) that do contribute.
At this point I think all the cards that we can think of as a community have been discussed and I am mearly waiting on word from Rise on what his team plans to change or not change based on our feedback. Whatever they decide to go with I hope they succeed in giving us pilots a reason to remember it's name and respect its capabilities alongside the Balgorn and Rattlesnake rather than regulating it to the same status of all those other pirate BSs that I can't remember the names or uses of. The one good thing about the Nestor would be that even if the Nestor completely fails as a ship, the SoE line is very well showcased by the Stratios, even if it does spend most of its time cloaked. |
Arthur Aihaken
The.VOID
2789
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Posted - 2014.01.18 10:55:00 -
[2066] - Quote
Roy Alleyne wrote:The one good thing about the Nestor would be that even if the Nestor completely fails as a ship, the SoE line is very well showcased by the Stratios, even if it does spend most of its time cloaked.
GÇó $2-billion (plus) ISK, non-insurable...
GÇó Lacks power grid and capacitor...
GÇó Doesn't necessarily do anything extremely wellGǪ
Is there really any question that it's already failed? Even with a Covert Ops cloak capability, $2-billion is still insane...
I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week. |
Galphii
Interstellar Industrial Initiative
215
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Posted - 2014.01.18 11:59:00 -
[2067] - Quote
Okay, going to take one last shot at saving this thing.
I've been thinking about this design issue a bit more, looking at the 3 SoE ships in a different way. They would operate together (in an RP way) with each ship having a defined role in the fleet. They could work like this:
Astero and Stratios are the exploration and scout ships, going forward to do the heavy work of the fleet, much in the same way the Venture and barges work in mining fleets.
Then there's the Orca, which assists the mining effort and provides support, cargohold etc. It's part of the mining fleet, even if it doesn't mine itself (aside from drones perhaps).
What if the Nestor was to support an exploration fleet in much the same way? Turn the Nestor into an exploration hub, as it were, able to provide remote repair and other services while operating in deep space.
* Remove the exploration bonuses
* Remove the turret slots.
* Give it the ability to remote rep shields, armour and capacitor so it's sort of like a proper 'hospital' ship. I call this 'role focus' 
* Remove that laser range bonus and replace with covert ops cloak (but make it so it won't go thru a covert ops portal if you think it'd be too powerful still).
* Replace the drone damage bonus with a 5% capacitor recharge bonus to aid in its primary function - keeping other ships alive.
* Take away a couple of high slots add a small maintenance bay with enough room for a few shuttles, and even a frigate.
In its current form it's only really good at missions and operating in nullsec as ratter and super overpriced exploration ship. The above changes would increase its survivability and usefulness outside of highsec greatly. Big, tough, and focused on a role aside from yet another killamajig. Eve has plenty of those, try something different 
That's it, I'm done. Not even going to think about this anymore. Moving on.
X |
Andy Landen
Sub--Zero
Catastrophic Uprising
487
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Posted - 2014.01.18 12:53:00 -
[2068] - Quote
CCP Rise wrote:Hi I am very relieved to finally show you the Sisters of EVE Battleship, the Nestor. We weren't able to get it finalized before Rubicon went out, but that's alright because now it makes a nice Christmas present (just kidding it's not until (late)January). We all agreed that keeping the covert cloak theme was not going to work for the battleship. Instead, we've kept the rest of the exploration feel from the Stratios and Astero by giving the Nestor hacking and probing bonuses, but instead of cloaking it will receive a bonus to remote armor repair amount, drawing on the Sisters of EVE themes of aid and relief. On top of that, the Nestor (as designed currently) has incredibly low mass - around half the mass of a normal Battleship. This should make it very popular in wormholes. The rest of the attribute layout follows the principles from the other Sisters of EVE ships pretty closely, as do the bonuses. Here's the details: NESTORAmarr Battleship Bonuses: 4% Armor resistances per level
Gallente Battleship Bonuses:
10% drone damage and hitpoints per levelRole bonuses: 50% bonus to remote armor repairer amount
100% bonus to remote armor repairer range50% bonus to large energy turret optimal range 50% increased strength for scan probes +10 virus strength for relic and data analyzers Slot layout: 7H, 6M, 6L; 5 turrets, 0 launchers Fittings: 11250 PWG, 680 CPU Defense (shields / armor / hull): 8900 / 9950 / 9900 Capacitor (amount / recharge rate / cap/s) : 6200 / 1044 / 5.9 Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / align time): 92 / .18 / 56000000 / 13.97 Drones (bandwidth / bay): 125 / 500 Targeting (max targeting range / Scan Resolution / Max Locked targets): 75km / 85 / 7 Sensor strength: 24 Magnetometric Signature radius: 465 Cargo Capacity: 700 ... STEALTH EDIT by Manifest brings high res concept art: http://bit.ly/1izOFm4
So this is going to be a drone battleship intended for wormhole use. Given that Sleepers make short work of drones, the only way this ship will work is if there is a role bonus to the drone tanks with much greater hp and repair amounts or automatic remote repair from the host ship, etc.
"We cannot solve our problems with the same thinking we used when we created them."
Albert Einstein-á |
Andy Landen
Sub--Zero
Catastrophic Uprising
487
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Posted - 2014.01.18 13:14:00 -
[2069] - Quote
Arthur Aihaken wrote:Roy Alleyne wrote:The one good thing about the Nestor would be that even if the Nestor completely fails as a ship, the SoE line is very well showcased by the Stratios, even if it does spend most of its time cloaked. GÇó $2-billion (plus) ISK, non-insurable... GÇó Lacks power grid and capacitor... GÇó Doesn't necessarily do anything extremely wellGǪ Is there really any question that it's already failed? Even with a Covert Ops cloak capability, $2-billion is still insane...
They do have a pretty good point about this ship not doing anything very well.
It won't do sleeper sites with the drone aggro.
It won't scan/explore well because it can't make it through gate camps in null sec or even low sec. No cloak and no bubble immunity, this thing is "dead in the water".
It won't do logi work because it can't sustain any meaningful remote reps with its capacitor (no reduced cap bonuses) and its RR range is very limited (maybe 20 km?).
No bonuses to drone tracking and range means the domi still exceeds the Nestor for any null sec anomaly work.
It is hard to imagine the Nestor for anything but scanning from within a pos (no cloak) or maybe relic and data site scanning in high sec or in whs. The RR bonus is meaningless, the drone bonuses are meaningless, the energy turret bonus is meaningless. That's 4 out of 7 bonuses being meaningless.
PS: You can't half the mass but not half the signature radius. What, is this thing hollow or something? And with 465 sig radius, it won't stand a chance against serious aggro and certainly does not fall in line with current RR ship mechanics. Sleepers will eat it alive with such a huge sig radius. The 50% RR amount and the sig radius almost cancel each other out, except that 465 is about 4 times as large as an RR cruiser (not 50% larger).
"We cannot solve our problems with the same thinking we used when we created them."
Albert Einstein-á |
Uriel Paradisi Anteovnuecci
Umbrarum Paradisi
264
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Posted - 2014.01.18 18:53:00 -
[2070] - Quote
Just use a TP to draw aggro- you can fight sleepers with drones that way (although it isn't easy).
Also, what will the BPC material requirements be?
"A City made of Wood is built in the forest;
A City made of Stone is built in the mountains;
But a City made of Dreams....is built in heaven."
-Jovian Proverb-á |
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