If that would be issue - noone would fly tristan with only 1 full flight of drones. Worm actually got 2,5.
But you know what tristan is probably most op basic t1 frig in this game.

A reasonable approach would be to remove 5 bay. And again i gotta hella lot of worms (can provide screenshoot) ... but ship is already out of control. So for sake of any balance it cannot get buffed further.

And you are so sure that people will not like it after buying this ship ?

Speaking of split weapon systems i can name succesful ships easily :
1. Tristan - for same reason worm can work - hell even much better.
2. Algos , dragoon - yes even with TRI weapon system - launchers + guns + drones - tanky as hell , ganky as hell.
3. Vexor - one of strongest if not strongest t1 base cruiser. Working very well with split weapon system.

those are just examples you can get easily more - especially gallente ships.

Tell me one reason why worm may fail - if tristan already is king and it can often come on top in fights vs some assault frigs/faction frigs. Then how tristan on steroids aka worm won't be powerful ship ?

Tristan is pretty weak. No damage bonuses, just tracking. We tried issuing them for decloaking at gate camps, but they are slow. Algos and Dragoons get used no where as often as Catalysts or Thrashers. Don't believe me? Go check the trading volume of them.

So, we are looking at roughly a 50% increase in warp speed and acceleration for all three

IMO the Worm, Gila, Rattlesnake could use some drone velocity and tracking bonuses to really accentuate their very narrow drone specialization.

They can only use one type of drone effectively. With that narrow a specialization they better be damn good at it.

Algos and Dragoons get used no where as often as Catalysts or Thrashers. Don't believe me? Go check the trading volume of them.

Vexors are the only one you mention that actually works, but they use hybrids and sentries, so they can apply damage instantly.

I'm worried that you are in goon and don't know why that is.
Vexors only fit sentries in niche fits. But they tend to be on top of their targets webbing them where drone speed doesn't matter.

So considering there has been more dev replies in one day in the cruisers thread than in two weeks in this thread should we all just resign to the fact that this is a done deal? It's sad because I have to assume pirate frigates get flown alot more than pirate cruisers but are getting less attention to feedback.

I think at this point it will be up to us to shame CCP once these frigs are on the test server. :keeps looking at the Cruor

The Dramiel still sucks compared to other Pirate Faction frigates

just did some pvp in the current cruor. in a frigate fight even with the 90% web the damn ship still misses like 30% of its shots. and your gonna make it a frakkin 60% web? this thing will miss half its shots constantly.

At least now you have a chance to bring another ship into neut range. I wonder what kind of solo pvp CCP expects it to do post change.

..and if I hear the suggestion that it will work well in gangs/fleets I may go nuts

..and if I hear the suggestion that it will work well in gangs/fleets I may go nuts

This is going to be awesome in small gangs!

These changes are cool, but none of them actually justify the price of these ships.

The Cruor has the worst change of all. Why would I need 20km webs when i can barely shoot and neut/nos past scram range? This is a worthless 'bonus' that is justifiable on a bhaalgorn maybe... but not the frig version.

For the record, all these ships will still suck compared to the dramiel and daredevil if their prices stay the same.

Hello

Fozzie and I spent some time looking at the Cruor today because of your concerns and we decided that we still want to use this as a starting point. Some sisi testing would be really valuable but we still can't make that happen just yet. If we find that things don't go well on sisi or if usage doesn't get a significant bump after TQ release we will probably improve the damage output. For now, all the changes we tried just look too strong to use as a first version.

Hopefully we will have posts on the other pirate classes coming very soon, we were waiting on a dev blog which will have an impact on pirate balance which should be coming out very soon and then we can show you the rest of the ships.

o/

The Cruor bonuses are indeed quite odd. You have a statis web range bonus which allows you to web out at 26km with overheated T1 webs (34km with factions), and yet you also have an energy vampire/neut bonus which requires you to be close in. As such I would suggest removing the energy vampire/neut bonus and replacing it with an optimal range bonus. This will allow the Cruor to kite out past 20km with webs still active; quite effective and therefore worthy of it's pirate pricetag.

I don't think you understand that the Blood Raiders are, first and foremost, capacitor warfare ships.

Everything else is secondary. Getting a long range web will help you close in enough to neut, since the ship isn't very fast anyways.

Frankly, making the Cruor just another Slicer with a web is a bad idea, and very unoriginal. We're trying to avoid making ships have generic bonuses.

PS, for the others: It would be immensely OP for the Cruor to have a neut as far as it can web.
The only people that are suggesting this are probably the ones who have Cruor stockpiles sitting around.

a triple neut tristan will own a DD. just sayin its 1/10th the price of the cruor.

but ya most of these changes suck. the DD needs a 100% damage bonus reduction so it can sorta of be on par with the damn cruor