Wrong.

It has been a long standing thing to get people to sing and record them.

The audio recording is horrible. I challenge anyone who finds this behavior acceptable to play the recording to your mom, or your wife, and then proudly say to that person, "I support this behavior."

CCP has provided Erotica1 with a soapbox, that soapbox needs to be removed. I leave the 'how' to CCP.

It is if you are laughing and applauding at someone being attacked on the street.

So you are not part of it? were not sitting in this room from the "scamming" side?

In my experience, the people who don't get upset at a blatant display of hatred (like that guy's rascist name calling of someone who self identified as Afro-Canadian) tend to do so because they share a certain point of view with the speaker. Just saying.

if that's the case then is the "victim" stabbing erotica since his part in all of this is worse than ero's.
ero's part is very tame in comparison to the tirade of racial slurs and real life threats from the guy that hypothetically got kicked in the face.

If its someone who I know has spent 2hrs tormenting a victim and his wife to the point of breaking, for no other reason than to sadistically enjoy their suffering and to share their recording of it with "friends", yes, I will absolutely laugh and applaud.

If its someone who I know has spent 2hrs tormenting a victim and his wife to the point of breaking, for no other reason than to sadistically enjoy their suffering and to share their recording of it with "friends", yes, I will absolutely laugh and applaud.

It is common theory that being bad in Eve Online is not a sign of being bad in RL.

Now thanks to Ero1 this theory looks like beaten to death.

Scamming in game -> humiliating in RL. Clear link between 2 behaviors. Good luck to all gankers, bumpers and other 'scum'....

Wrong.

It has been a long standing thing to get people to sing and record them.

british accent.

any other questions you need answering?

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I certainly hope that CCP does not end scamming, ganking, bumping, or even being 'scum' in game. I don't think that is the problem being highlighted here.

I certainly hope that CCP does consider methods of improving sportsmanship within the community. Where is the good fight? "Good try dude, but you were scammed better luck next time."

CCP could just be behind the times on this. After all they are trying to find exciting new things to do with their internet spaceship game. They are not quite so interested in looking for all the ways that sadists try to cause misery and pain (otherwise they would be in a different business). My hope is that they start thinking about ways to encourage good sportsmanship within the community. We could really use some.

You are making a strawman argument. I had a slightly positive attitude towards Erotica1 coming into this situation. He was a hardcore scammer and EVE needs those people. What I didn't know is that he would take things beyond the game and actively prolong someones humiliation and pain simply for his personal amusement. Beat someone up and take everything they have in game - OK. Continue beyond the game for a sick personal amusement - reprehensible.

If its someone who I know has spent 2hrs tormenting a victim and his wife to the point of breaking, for no other reason than to sadistically enjoy their suffering and to share their recording of it with "friends", yes, I will absolutely laugh and applaud.

Behaviours envokes reaction. Be bad (or good) to someone and you can expect a reaction which is often not thought out in the 'heat of the moment'. Although I agree he choice of words is rather awkward. But it sounds like a 'fight or flight' reaction after the realisation he got himself in a huge mess ingame as well as out of game, I don't think he gave the value of his words the same amount of thought as Erotica and Co did to their own words, when they came up with the idea on how to push people over the edge.

If its someone who I know has spent 2hrs tormenting a victim and his wife to the point of breaking, for no other reason than to sadistically enjoy their suffering and to share their recording of it with "friends", yes, I will absolutely laugh and applaud.

Its pretty clear what has to be done really.

sadists only understand pain, and they forfeit protections of society by abusing others.

In my high school, this sort of thing was deal with like this: guy would be found, cornered, and beaten to a pulp to tech him a lesson in manners. I did this a couple of times to bullies back in the day. It works.

If it has to devolve to high school level, If CCP wont step in and curb this **** like adults, I will not condemn whomever metes out street justice.

Simple as that.

YEah. Whats a British accent sound like?

Is it like an English Welsh Scots or Northern Irish one?

And which part of those places does it sound most like the accent of?

YEah. Whats a British accent sound like?

Is it like an English Welsh Scots or Northern Irish one?

And which part of those places does it sound most like the accent of?

Its pretty clear what has to be done really.

sadists only understand pain, and they forfeit protections of society by abusing others.

In my high school, this sort of thing was deal with like this: guy would be found, cornered, and beaten to a pulp to tech him a lesson in manners. I did this a couple of times to bullies back in the day. It works.

If it has to devolve to high school level, If CCP wont step in and curb this **** like adults, I will not condemn whomever metes out street justice.

Simple as that.

you mean the standard behaviour of erotica that has been happening for a long time, that nobody has given a **** about until ripard get started a witch hunt on his blog?

sure i'll say something about it; it was far more acceptable than the racism and threats from the "victim".
when it comes down to it, i'll gladly take erotica's [arguably over zealous] scamming, over that guy's racism and threats any day of the week.

In the area I live in (Robin Hood land) we hear such colloquialisms as 'ayup me duck' and 'nowt wrong we that'

At what point in the recording does the victim sing?

Malcanis, you keep asking where exactly to draw the line (at the other end).. where do you think it is?

You keep insisting that the Teamspeak parts are outside the game and keep naming ridiculus examples that are also outside the game - but have no relation to Eve. What you fail to account for is how in this case Eve is the basis of it all.

Let me try to make an analogy...
A barkeep has a customer that behaves fine in his bar. But everytime when he goes outside he keeps shouting and beeing noisy in general to the point that neighbours regulary call the police. You will do what you can to avoid that, and if you notice regular offenders you may even ban them. In fact, the police can even attribute contributory fault in noise pollution to the bar owner if he's not attempting to at least keep people quiet right in front of the club (which is why often the bouncers make sure noisemakers at least go around the next corner).

Can you see how we are at a similar situation here?
Even if E1 is harassing people on Teamspeak, she still gets them there via Eve Online.

Is CCP legally required to step in? Propably not. But ethically? I think so.

And FYI, I'd rather see this thread as a demonstration than a witch hunt. We aren't burning people, we are demanding the ruling body to step in (I hope we are, at least that's what I'm doing).
Ever since I first heard of what he is doing, I wish he was banned for it. Just last week I mentioned it to some friends when we talked about the CSM election. Now finally, with this thread, I felt a chance for my opionion to be heard better, so I am making it heard.

If its someone who I know has spent 2hrs tormenting a victim and his wife to the point of breaking, for no other reason than to sadistically enjoy their suffering and to share their recording of it with "friends", yes, I will absolutely laugh and applaud.

So you find it acceptable to actively attempt to humiliate people and cause them pain (outside of any games)?