Losing your 'assets' in EVE is the equivalent of like losing a game of Monopoly. (Assets in EVE have no value, and CCP can take them away at any time for any reason.)

That would be a good analogy, if a Monopoly game lasted six years and you had to play a minimum of six months before you had trained the necessary skill to build hotels.

That sounds just like my sainted mothers Newfie 'English'. I grew up with her and still didn't have a clue what she was saying half the time.

Mr Epeen

because it seems a third of the player base of eve are sociopaths, and a vocal minority - outright sadists, thats why.....


If I was CCP, I would boot E1 & Co. and pass therir IPs to law enforcement.

I challenge you to find any post I've made in this thread supporting what anyone did in relation to this attention-grabbing blog that was posted by someone I consider to be a bit of an idiot.

It's not about the ISK. It's a human interest story. And trust me, they'll run with it if there's nothing more interesting going on.

I'm neither saying it's the right thing to do or the wrong thing to do.

I'm just sayin'.

Mr Epeen

i don't believe i've condoned it once.

it wasn't within our gaming world at all, it was on teamspeak not in eve.

do you even understand what's going on here?

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Then I guess first world problems have a priority over 3rd world problems. Congrats. You've assisted in dumbing down the public some more.

Yet at the same time you demand the heads of the people who were asking him to sing for them.

For the contestant's sake I hope this doesn't make the news.

It might draw the attention of the law onto them for the RL threats made.

Erotica1 is sourcing his victims from EVEs community for an out of game "Bonus Room" torture session.

There is no ISK in it. There is nothing related to the game, except the victim, at all in it.
The only outcome and purpose, is causing harm and suffering to the victim which is then recorded for the amusement of other sadists.

He finds his victims from the EVE player base by means of his (legitimate) ISK doubling activities ingame.

Once he has a hook in them, he then convinces them to hand over their assets (again, legitimately).

What is NOT legitimate, is telling those people that they have to join an OUT OF GAME "Bonus Room" to get it back.

That crosses the line. At that point you are illegitimately carrying an EVE Scam to the person themselves, in a context that extends outside the purview of the game.

This is explicitly forbidden and ruled against in the EULA and also by this declaration in the CSM constitution:

"FREEDOM FROM UNDUE EXTERNAL INFLUENCES
First, individuals have the right to be free of undue external influences in the virtual society. To enforce this
right, the EULA, TOS and other legal documents define the boundary which separates a playerGÇÖs real life actions
from his or her virtual ones. As mentioned earlier, this is a non-negotiable social contract that is essential for
maintaining the cohesion of any virtual society. These rules establish a framework for real world personal
behavior and decision making that limits the amount of external influence that can be leveraged in the game
world"

At the point that Erotica1 makes it a condition of his scam that someones steps OUTSIDE of EVE in order to participate, he is extending the scam beyond the purview of EVE. Furthermore, if successful in luring a victim to his "Bonus Room" he is externally influencing that person, externally from the game, on the specific contract/scam that he offered to the player ingame.

To answer a few questions...

I'll be undocking tonight to go find some war targets. I was bored last night, so we spent 600m on decs. I am really bad at pvp though, just look at my kb.

We have had winners. In fact, just about a week ago, the prize pot got so large that we may be awarding an avatar in lieu of isk. Though that client exhibited some troubling Code noncompliant signs, so that is not guaranteed (waiting on additional tests).

Does this mean I get to go around on all the talk shows? I'll consent to doing it with a few prior contestants. No, I'm not dressing up as Ero. Yes, I might be able to be convinced to sing off key. I have sung before in bonus rounds, though escrow agents have asked I never do it again. I'm practicing "Behind Blue Eyes."

Sounds exactly like monopoly...

To answer a few questions...

In order to take a "stand" you would have to make a "rule." It would be a new rule, I think, in this case. Yes, the devs make these rules. The line in this case, however, is REALLY blurry. While I would argue the victim in this case was psychologically traumatized long before he ever started playing eve, let's for the sake of argument, assume that his response could be considered "normal". How do you pen such a rule? EvE is really hard. It's harsh. You are going to get angry at some point... typically starting out. Does a ganker cause psychological trauma? Does running an alliance and losing it through one means or another cause it? Could mittens be banned for the way he took out BoB, having caused such widespread discontent? Do people running virtually undetectable margin scams cause it? Contract scams? PLEX scams? Does Hulkageddon get you down? An extreme reaction by an individual does not necessitate extreme legislation. At some point you need to be a big boy and handle your s***. This is sensational purely due to the victim's reaction. Far worse things happen to people every day in EvE. I should know. I ganked a guy w/ 4 bill in his hauler a few weeks ago. His response? "Enjoy the nothing that dropped ******!' We both lost that day. My victim handles his smack. He's not a fan of mine, but he didn't let it get to him. Why would he? It's a game. Let's not lose the forest for the trees on this one, I say.

Ero's behaviour was within the rules as presently written by CCP, and was similar to garden-variety schoolyard bullying at worst.

So discreditted sexist garbage proported by men who couldnt get any and blame women for their inadequacies

Pushing him to the point where he snaps is just far too much. And I think this is a line CCP needs to draw.

Bad press is still better than no press at all right :) Business good..?

CCP needs to draw a line, allright!

A line to stop all these pitchfork wielding bigots from procreating.

A line where comparing silly things with the holocaust and whatnot gets you a forum ban.


D. OUT.