Because I like graphs and because I think the eagle need more love.

Here is a dps comparison of both ships with similar equipment.
http://imgur.com/0domEE7

Note that the Eagle is significantly tankier than the Ishtar, lets say a bit less than 20% more EHP on a typical buffer fit, this can be considered balanced with the Ishtar increased damage.

At further range, when the ishtar swap drones and the eagle swap ammo, the difference is much more in favor of the Ishtar.
http://imgur.com/OLV3XSB
Some will argue that due to destructible weapons, and thinier tank this is perfectly balanced.
To those I say look at the Ishtar used drones on both pictures.

Hello

I was out of the office yesterday but I did get caught up here finally. I don't have a lot to add for the moment. We are still leaning towards more gradual changes for this particular pass but I'm going to get folks together once vacations are over and have a larger conversation about sentries and drone balance overall. I definitely agree that being destructible doesn't end up being an actual drawback for sentry drones in almost all situations. We could expose that weakness more by changing things like drone bay or drone HP but the August release is too close for that kind of change so I'll just get the conversation started and we'll see how things look for the following release.

I don't doubt that the Ishtar will still be strong, and we could definitely remove it from the meta by attacking the sentry use more directly, but we want to try and reach some middle ground before going that route.

One small addition - I'm going to even out the cargo capacity on HACs some in this release, the Zealot's very sad 260 cargo was very annoying.

Sorry for the confusion, I meant to write that the Ishtar did as much damage as a Dominix (due to application/projection bonus) and more than an Armageddon then messed up changing the beginin of the sentance to "launch drone".

Deimos should be compared to Brutix not Talos. I think the Brutix has good chances.
Eagle and Ferox.
Cerberus and Drake.

Same for Zealot and Harbringer.
Vagabond and Hurricane.

Ishtar and Myrmidon, nope.

*sigh*, I'll bite I suppose.
New content like what, Arthur?

PvE needs a substantial overhaul - something more dynamic than endlessly running missions. Goal-orientated or tier-based rewards would be one example (cumulative with various PvE activities over an extended period). In addition, something that would actively encourage *real* PvP in high-sec (beyond ganking and station-baiting), such as NPC convoy escort missions where external players would have the ability to work for or against the objectives. But no, not simply expanding the number and type of missions.

you mean basically limit that complex weapon system to 2 T1 ships plus a few faction ones?

This is dumb balancing.

Ishtar nerfs don't go far enough imo.

The Sac is fine (and some would argue the best HAC depending on utilization) for PVP in Low sec.

How is it fine. It does **** DPS unless you fit some BCU which means you have no room left to fit a tank. It is way bellow the Cerberus when it comes to missile damage AND missile projection and the Cerberus can actually fit a tank as well as damage. There is a reason it does not get used.

It gets used a lot in our neck of the woods because it can project over 500 dps out to about 30km while having an insane (guardian resists plus more buffer) tank. It's in a fine place right now, and if it got a dps buff it would need to lose the tank bonus or it would be stupidly OP.

The cerberus can do this but with higher damage, more range and bigger tank.

The cerberus can do this but with higher damage, more range and bigger tank.

...and it would have no med slots to spare, while a fleet of sacs easily eccm casts and remote sebos all their guardians, paints and points the targets, webs stuff that comes close and has neuts to deal with enemy logi.

It is clear that you haven't faced/participated in a properly flown sacfleet. Sac is more than fine and I'd even say it is the next fotm thing if ishtar gets beaten by the nerfbat of doom.

Dear Rise,

Is it possible to shift Muninn more into armor arty role? For example changing RoF bonus to damage bonus (yes, reducing the DPS) and increasing PG by 10% (or even 15%).

Adjust drone sizes and bandwidth:
- small 5 m3 /mb
- medium 10m3 /mb
- heavy 20m3 /mb
- sentry 25m3 /mb

Adjust Isthar to have only 100 mb..

you're forgetting the rattlesnake, this way it would be able to add two small or a medium to its ultrabonused two heavy.
also there's geko to consider, if you reduce their bandwidth to 40 ships with 125 would be able to launch 3 (carriers 9...), if you dont it would be a nerf.

It's been mentioned before and is worth mentioning again: remove sentry drones from all classes but battleships and higher.

So what? All the people who previously flee Drakes (or whatever) are now flying a wide range of other ships. Diversity is good. And Gallente Cruiser V is plenty powerful enough even without Ishtar dominance.

That is lazy work.

If some one wants to use all their 25m to get a sentry droen so he can shot at a pos faster. Let him do it.

Artificial magical limitations are not good game design.

Sentries problems are simple. They are the long range counterparts for drones. But they do not have the same drawbacks as other long range systems.

They must track as badly as 1400mm, 425mm rails etc.... THEN no one will deploy them to fight someone at 20 km.

Sentries problems are simple. They are the long range counterparts for drones. But they do not have the same drawbacks as other long range systems.

They must track as badly as 1400mm, 425mm rails etc.... THEN no one will deploy them to fight someone at 20 km.