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Kahor
Minmatar
Coreli Corporation
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Posted - 2006.08.28 14:12:00 -
[421]
It doesn't happen only in empire, it happened to me in sendaya/faspera (low sector), and I very well imaginated what could happen, war targets warping on me while one third of the gang was on the other side, some lone sniper comes and have fun at our depends...anything actualy.
I even considered grabbing my BS cuz some two haulers were stuck on the other side of the gate according to my gang mate...I can just picture then scene...insta to gate to avoid gate camps...gate not working, getting shot anyway, die, whine and petition.
An eye for an eye make a whole world blind.
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Nafri
Caldari
Cataclysm Enterprises
Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2006.08.28 14:13:00 -
[422]
funny when you have to wait for part of your gang cause they cant jump in 
From Dusk till Dawn
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Sakura Nihil
Tharsis Security
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Posted - 2006.08.28 14:19:00 -
[423]
You know, I'd even settle for an Ovuer or Kieron statement saying "we're working on it; we screwed up, we know we did, and just give us time to fix it".
That alone would show they respect us enough to admit to us they were wrong, and would keep us trusting them that they hadn't decided to ignore us.
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Khajit Smitty
Minmatar
MisFunk Inc.
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Posted - 2006.08.28 14:33:00 -
[424]
 Originally by: Sakura Nihil
You know, I'd even settle for an Ovuer or Kieron statement saying "we're working on it; we screwed up, we know we did, and just give us time to fix it".
That alone would show they respect us enough to admit to us they were wrong, and would keep us trusting them that they hadn't decided to ignore us.
Yes i agree, some more feedback would be appreciated.
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Lemoning Lemming
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Posted - 2006.08.28 14:52:00 -
[425]
Jump queues really makes the game more fun thanks a lot, reason I left WOW was becuase of all the queues in game etc.
Please get rid of this rubbish games are supposed to be fun if I want to queue I'd log and go do some Real Life.
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Bhaal
Minmatar
M. Corp
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.08.28 14:57:00 -
[426]
Edited by: Bhaal on 28/08/2006 14:57:35
CCP already responded...
Kerion said the queues came in with Dragon, and were not supposed to be "active" for TQ...
Problem with that is he also said if they are needed in the future, they are already coded in...
I simply do not understand how they can think queues can work, when you already have ppl exploiting them and setting up camps at gates where the queues are in effect...
What a mess...
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Tristan Acoma
Caldari
The Eleventh Commandment
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Posted - 2006.08.28 15:05:00 -
[427]
Originally by: Bhaal
Edited by: Bhaal on 28/08/2006 14:57:35
CCP already responded...
Kerion said the queues came in with Dragon, and were not supposed to be "active" for TQ...
Problem with that is he also said if they are needed in the future, they are already coded in...
I simply do not understand how they can think queues can work, when you already have ppl exploiting them and setting up camps at gates where the queues are in effect...
What a mess...
 Wow - if I can agree with you on something I know it's bad 
Great that it's going to be turned off in the short term, terrible that it might come back. The only reason I can think of for this is that they've run the numbers and decided it will be impossible with the current codebase for them to add enough hardware to keep up with demand growth at the current price point. I really hope that I'm wrong in that.
To everyone throwing in the proverbial towel (or claiming to) - they've done ok in the long run before, let's not assume "eve is over" just yet, eh? ;)
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Lemoning Lemming
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Posted - 2006.08.28 15:13:00 -
[428]
I hope they are going to extend mission timers to allow for queueing times.
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Azaries
Caldari
Chosen Path
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Posted - 2006.08.28 15:31:00 -
[429]
looking forward to the devs response on this.
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Khajit Smitty
Minmatar
MisFunk Inc.
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Posted - 2006.08.28 15:37:00 -
[430]
Originally by: Azaries
looking forward to the devs response on this.
Sorry they are #15245 in que waiting to post to this thread, they have to wait 4 days, 18hours 45minutes and 16 seconds to be able to reply
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Loyal Servant
Caldari
Cornhole Inc.
The SUdden Death Squad
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Posted - 2006.08.28 15:52:00 -
[431]
Silence on this means 2 things to me:
1. they dont give a rats a--
2. they are waiting for this to be forgotten and a dead issue.
For me as a 0.0 citizen the game is ruined.
This means that just to potentially move around I need a battleship capable of tanking gate tyrant spawns.
A cruiser would not survive for more than a minute under the firepower of gate npc battleships.
Just this reason alone should be enough to pull the plug on this TOTALLY MORONIC feature.
I ask, will we get ships back when a damned npc warp scrambles you at a gate and you cant jump?
gotta wait 3 minutes....
I can see someone will get ganked by npc, and im sure they have already.
So, we as players can do several things:
1. cancel subscriptions (dont start your idiotic 'can i have your stuff' troll threads)
2. petition every loss you incur from this
3. petition that it gets changed (unlikely you will be heard)
Point is, as someone already posted.... someone ran the numbers and decided they needed to 'clamp' the userbase a little to control growth vs profit
What a better way to **** off the playerbase by throwing a
queue in, you will get old timers to leave, new players will come in and it will be there already, and they might not care about it.
I would love to know what kind of profit margins, all i ever read about is how much the crew at CCP loves the game, and profits didnt matter to them they just wanted to see their creation come to fruition, etc.
Bottom line, they got the cash now..
Game, pfft, who cares as long as I can line my pockets with gold.
Is that the case now, guys?
Because I cannot see anyone that 'loves' the game breaking it in horrid ways like this.
Cornhole, Inc. - Cornholeing eve one system at a time.
Member, The Sudden Death Squad [TSDS]
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Damon Ra
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Posted - 2006.08.28 15:54:00 -
[432]
Originally by: Khajit Smitty
Originally by: Azaries
looking forward to the devs response on this.
Sorry they are #15245 in que waiting to post to this thread, they have to wait 4 days, 18hours 45minutes and 16 seconds to be able to reply
It seems the DEVs have had time/initiative to respond to several other threads here, just not this one.. Cmon' DEVs throw us a bone here, is this getting removed, and if so WhenÖ? |
Loyal Servant
Caldari
Cornhole Inc.
The SUdden Death Squad
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Posted - 2006.08.28 15:59:00 -
[433]
I have taken the hint..
Q: When is it getting removed?
A: Never.
Q: Why?
A: Because they want the same codebase for both clusters
Q: Can you just turn it off?
A: Yeah, we can.
Q: Will you please turn off the stupic gate queue?
A: NOPE!
Q: Why?
A: Because we can stick 30,000 players on here with the queue on, and make $448,500/us a month vs. $418,600/us a month for only 28,000
See, thats $29,900/us more that we can pay that extra cook.
(they are hiring a cook, btw)
That is another salary right there.
Gotta pay the people somehow :)
Note: This is blatant speculation :)
Cornhole, Inc. - Cornholeing eve one system at a time.
Member, The Sudden Death Squad [TSDS]
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Mage372
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Posted - 2006.08.28 16:14:00 -
[434]
Where are you CCP?
Valid points have been raised about serious flaws in this new 'feature', without any attempt to answer despite the fact you cannot help but notice the giant thead on your main forum page.
Yes Keiron said it was 'unintented' - yet it hasnt been removed. Also no promises that it won't be used in the future.
The attrocity that is jump queueing should become a part of EVE history, quickly and permanently. If server is struggling with the load, then you should use our subscription money to buy new hardware (as opposed to setting up a huge new cluster in China which doesnt benefit the people who paid for it), rather than nerfing our game in most idiotic ways.
This will not go away unless you answer your paying customers, who deserve better than this. When you do answer, you should also make a point of justifying your conspicuous silence on the issue. Perhaps the truth is going to be even more unpopular than the silence, that is the usual conclusion people will draw from behaviour such as this.
Come on oveur, be a man about this and give the people what they deserve: a proper explaination at the very least.
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Turiya Flesharrower
Beagle Corp
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Posted - 2006.08.28 16:17:00 -
[435]
Originally by: Mage372
Where are you CCP?
Valid points have been raised about serious flaws in this new 'feature', without any attempt to answer despite the fact you cannot help but notice the giant thead on your main forum page.
Yes Keiron said it was 'unintented' - yet it hasnt been removed. Also no promises that it won't be used in the future.
The attrocity that is jump queueing should become a part of EVE history, quickly and permanently. If server is struggling with the load, then you should use our subscription money to buy new hardware (as opposed to setting up a huge new cluster in China which doesnt benefit the people who paid for it), rather than nerfing our game in most idiotic ways.
This will not go away unless you answer your paying customers, who deserve better than this. When you do answer, you should also make a point of justifying your conspicuous silence on the issue. Perhaps the truth is going to be even more unpopular than the silence, that is the usual conclusion people will draw from behaviour such as this.
Come on oveur, be a man about this and give the people what they deserve: a proper explaination at the very least.
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Garren Rahl
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Posted - 2006.08.28 16:19:00 -
[436]
I'd also have to say the queue system is a huge PITA. Not only do people jumping into empty systems in lowsec (WTF?) get screwed, but those of us unforunate enough to be running agent missions get to have the time required increased exponentially due to queues. What bonus?
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Bhaal
Minmatar
M. Corp
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.08.28 16:23:00 -
[437]
Originally by: Mage372
Where are you CCP?
Valid points have been raised about serious flaws in this new 'feature', without any attempt to answer despite the fact you cannot help but notice the giant thead on your main forum page.
Yes Keiron said it was 'unintented' - yet it hasnt been removed. Also no promises that it won't be used in the future.
The attrocity that is jump queueing should become a part of EVE history, quickly and permanently. If server is struggling with the load, then you should use our subscription money to buy new hardware (as opposed to setting up a huge new cluster in China which doesnt benefit the people who paid for it), rather than nerfing our game in most idiotic ways.
This will not go away unless you answer your paying customers, who deserve better than this. When you do answer, you should also make a point of justifying your conspicuous silence on the issue. Perhaps the truth is going to be even more unpopular than the silence, that is the usual conclusion people will draw from behaviour such as this.
Come on oveur, be a man about this and give the people what they deserve: a proper explaination at the very least.
Maybe they can't face the facts that sharding is going to be a requirement...
If the coding and server hardware is not available, maybe the queue system is all they have right now to keep them from having to shard EVE...
The Chinese players might not have a problem with queues, as they will start the game with them.
But after 3 years of playing this game, queues is an absolute game breaker for TQ...
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Flax Volcanus
Tea And Sympathy Ltd. Liability
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Posted - 2006.08.28 16:25:00 -
[438]
The irony is that the lag is just as bad as it was before the queue system was introduced. Try missioning in Kaunokka, or fighting in Otou. And Jita? Good luck undocking: I had to relog every time I left a station after picking up mods this weekend, because my screen stayed black. Same old crap, only now with a line to get in or out.
If I could get a hold of anyone via the petition system, I'd request a refund on the sub money I just paid and come back when and if things are fixed. But guess what? Petitions are broken, too.
Sure, all this wickedly large database stuff is tough to manage, and there's 273 bazillion lines of code. So what? CCP is the one that offered a product for sale based on this infrastructure. Not like anyone forced them to accept payment for a service that they now can't deliver reliably.
And this person is just an all-around ass. I hope I get the chance to pop you and disrupt the fan club.
Originally by: Infinity Ziona
Wow relax. Your supposed to fight in 0.0 space. So what you got killed. Someone else got a kill. Why? Because the queue finally and yes admittedly due to a bug, adds some vulnerability time to the game.
If you cant handle 0.0 without your Sudden Death Gank Squad then dont go there. Its for people who are brave and who can HANDLE loss.
Thank you, move along, you are now #1 in teh Q
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Chewan Mesa
Beagle Corp
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Posted - 2006.08.28 16:34:00 -
[439]
Edited by: Chewan Mesa on 28/08/2006 16:33:55
The day EVE shards is the day a lot of people will leave from a until then unique game and world...
I'd be curious on why it takes so long for any kind of response atm, I didnt even see an update on when the new patch will be deployed, other than "After the weekend".
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Bhaal
Minmatar
M. Corp
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.08.28 16:42:00 -
[440]
Originally by: Chewan Mesa
Edited by: Chewan Mesa on 28/08/2006 16:33:55
The day EVE shards is the day a lot of people will leave from a until then unique game and world...
I'd be curious on why it takes so long for any kind of response atm, I didnt even see an update on when the new patch will be deployed, other than "After the weekend".
Well, EVE is unique in that aspect yes, but it's a niche game...
How many niche games have 29k simultaneous players and no sharding?
Gee, uhm, only one...
What if it's just not possible to have EVE non-sharded?
What if CCP has reached the limits of both stackless python coding and yardware?
Maybe CCP should consider sharding the game via region (or groups of regions), and not make multiple universes. (Your HQ is your home shard, when you jump to another one, the only data the other shard has concerning you is your current ship & mods, and clone location info...)
It would suck to have to relog into the game when jumping from one region to another, but maybe that might be the only solution making mutiple EVE universes...
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Nikki Shina
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Posted - 2006.08.28 16:47:00 -
[441]
Originally by: Biosman
Edited by: Biosman on 26/08/2006 03:05:56
Originally by: Damon Ra
The silence of the devs is telling.. and deafening...
ya Hannibal Lecter was spotted in iceland buying chianti in tesco
could this be why theres no patch?
Dev Menu
Rice peas and white whine served with cutlets of Dev with mint sauce.
Fish marinaded in tartar sauce,served with a portion of Devs
Chips Beans and Dev.
Dev con carni
Chicken Vindaloo with Rice,served with a side dish of Cauliflower and potato Dev.
Dev kebab
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Father Weebles
RoadKill Pickup Services
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Posted - 2006.08.28 16:55:00 -
[442]
u ppl are nubs
all i do is spam jump and in a couple of seconds i jump through 
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Bhaal
Minmatar
M. Corp
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.08.28 16:59:00 -
[443]
Edited by: Bhaal on 28/08/2006 16:59:21
Originally by: Father Weebles
u ppl are nubs
all i do is spam jump and in a couple of seconds i jump through
Couple of seconds can get you popped...
ppl are, and will be losing ships to this bogus queue, it's a reality...
Fact of the matter is, if you are within jump range of a gate, and you do not have aggression timer, you either need to jump, or go into invulnerable cloak... None of this waiting to get shot at BS...
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Loyal Servant
Caldari
Cornhole Inc.
The SUdden Death Squad
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Posted - 2006.08.28 17:06:00 -
[444]
Fact is, I don't want to gate camp anymore.
There is no sport in it when the guy has no chance of escape.
I don't want to sit at a gate knowing it is a sure gank.
If CCP wants people to venture into 0.0 - this effectively kills that idea.
Who wants to go to 0.0 when you have -0- chance of running from pirates in the pipe?
(yes, I gate camp, but I want the guy to have SOME chance of escape, keep the flames down and stay on the subject)
Cornhole, Inc. - Cornholeing eve one system at a time.
Member, The Sudden Death Squad [TSDS]
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JFxSummoner
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Posted - 2006.08.28 17:21:00 -
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still shocked how you can brag about these uber hardware upgrades (didnt help) then brag about this new uber code branch "dragon" (didnt help just brought system Q's with it  ) and far as ive seen in my small 1.5 years in game is a VERY steady decline in game performance and an even steadier decline in dev's letting there customers know what is going on......
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Exortius Amarrus
The Clearwater Society
THE H0RDE
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Posted - 2006.08.28 17:45:00 -
[446]
Hi.
I am sitting in Perbhe, at the Neesher gate. I've been #1 in the queue to jump in for almost 40 minutes now.
I'm sure that every rant and insult i want to throw at CCP has already been said in this thread, so i'll try and keep it civil.
My opinion:
-These "jump queues" should be limited to Empire (0.5+) ONLY. I mean, duh. In empire i can understand. But low sec is lawless space. So, in keeping with EVE lore, who the hell is supposed to be telling me i'm in line to use a stargate? Concord? Fed Navy? CCP, that's who.
-one of my pilots was engaged 2 jumps from our base system. We gathered a gang of 6 pilots to go to him and assist, but we couldn't use the god damn jump gate. This is riduculous CCP. You are crippling fleet mobility and limiting PvP opportunities in EVE. Real PvP, not just ganks.
-scroll up, even the damn pirates and griefers think this is messed up. Killing a newb who can't use the damn gate even though he had an insta is not fun. Neither is being stuck at a gate, being told you're #1 in the queue, and still having to wait 3 minutes to jump.
I though i'd feel better after venting, but i don't. Fix this now please.
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Loyal Servant
Caldari
Cornhole Inc.
The SUdden Death Squad
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Posted - 2006.08.28 18:27:00 -
[447]
I think they are still on holiday.
Better for them to spend that hard earned ca$h while they have it.
I have talked to SO many people enemies and friends alike that are just STEAMING HOT MAD and I suspect there will be a protest, I have already heard rumors of mass marches on jita to bring the cluster to a stop... stuff like that.
Cornhole, Inc. - Cornholeing eve one system at a time.
Member, The Sudden Death Squad [TSDS]
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aggiedog
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Posted - 2006.08.28 18:37:00 -
[448]
Now we could solve this problem fairly easily. Everyone camp outside the Training Complexes and make sure no new players leave. They'll get tired of it and we can cap the # of people ever getting on the server. 
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Connor Llewllyan
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Posted - 2006.08.28 18:40:00 -
[449]
Up to the Top.
The Q (TM) has to go. Immediately!
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Orosinii
The Avalon Foundation
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Posted - 2006.08.28 18:58:00 -
[450]
 I am assuming this queue madness is an error. CCP respond now, you cannot be too busy to respond if the petition system is not working.
I call for a back-out of DRAGON code until acceptable testing has taken place. Lets get this game playable again. Because on a Bank Holiday week-end in the UK the ganme has been destroyed for all players alike.
Respond please
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