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Loyal Servant Caldari Cornhole Inc. The SUdden Death Squad	Posted - 2006.08.29 13:46:00 - [511] If this was being handled I would forget about the petition. I simply would not bother with it.... Since they wont do anything about the queues, I feel justified in causing them pain and filing my petition. Cornhole, Inc. - Cornholeing eve one system at a time. Member, The Sudden Death Squad [TSDS]
Bhaal Minmatar M. Corp Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.08.29 13:55:00 - [512] Edited by: Bhaal on 29/08/2006 14:04:43 Originally by: Loyal Servant If this was being handled I would forget about the petition. I simply would not bother with it.... Since they wont do anything about the queues, I feel justified in causing them pain and filing my petition. I'm not sure how much pain you're causing though... Maybe they will just ignore all the reimbursement petitions that have the word queue in them... I think CCP "accidentally" slipped the queue code onto TQ to test it's validility... What better way to test the ramifications? I hope their test is over soon... ------------------------------------------------ Current Hobby other than EVE My Hero
zyto	Posted - 2006.08.29 14:23:00 - [513] Well the complete lack of response on the issue does point to something like that more than it having been an accident, else it would've been fixed by now.
Safrax2 Gallente Nubs. Black Reign Syndicate	Posted - 2006.08.29 14:26:00 - [514] I just lost a viator to this queueing nonsense. Jumped into a camped system and couldnt jump out. --
Mervent Caldari RONA Deepspace Rule of Three	Posted - 2006.08.29 16:02:00 - [515] Edited by: Mervent on 29/08/2006 16:03:05 This is starting to remind of SWG and SOE. Linkage The fact in the past the devs have been somewhat honest and forthcoming, and now their apparent and obvious question dodging would suggest to me that this queue thing is not going away.
SamuelAdams Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2006.08.29 16:27:00 - [516]
Epsilon 1	Posted - 2006.08.29 16:34:00 - [517] Originally by: Bhaal Originally by: Euterpe Ithairegolis Does anyone have any information about serenity (chinese cluster), like do we know when queueing was introduced there if not from the launch. My point is, this queueing thing might be one of the core features of the new load balancing mechanisms we heard of before Dragon was released, in which case CCP knew and kind of screwed us when bringing it live on TQ ... It's been said over and over, this is absolutely breaking the gameplay. Pretty sure Kerion said the queues were part of the Dragon code, which Serenity uses... I guess they figure if it's good enough for the Chinese, it's good enough for TQ, the players who have played the game for 3 years, and paid the bills for CCP as a company to progress this far. The no sharding insistence may have caught up with them here... Even with all the hardware optimizations, has the lag gotten any better since the early days of 100 vs. 100 fleet battles? All the things CP plans to add to this game, player housing, planetary flight, etc... You think this will create more or less lag? Along with an exploding playerbase... 50k simultaneous next year at this time? I hope they have some magic up their sleeves... Me thinks they won't remove it, even if the vets leave (add server crashes and no support to that soup) Originally by: Steven Gerrard Why do those minmatarians throw their ships together from toilet paper and junk?
Flax Volcanus Tea And Sympathy Ltd. Liability	Posted - 2006.08.29 16:37:00 - [518] Edited by: Flax Volcanus on 29/08/2006 16:38:32 Actually, I don't want to hear from a dev as much as from The Big Enchilada(s). How about getting Hilmar, Reynir or Magnus on here, explaining to their customers why this thing is so screwed up? All the resource issues we've experienced in past months -- including the one that spawned the now-dreaded QÖ -- are the results of business decisions: To invest (or not invest) in a certain type and size of server farm; to devote a certain number of coders and QA personnel to the issues; to press (or not press) GMs to address specific types of petitions on a timely basis; to continue promoting new business (e.g., trial accounts) at the expense of better serving existing customers; etc. I want to hear from the guys with the power to make things happen, and I want them to explain why things are so messed up. I want them to explain how they're going to fix things now, not how we're going to get all this groovy new stuff down the road, or how things will get better SoonÖ. And, if they're not going to meet customer expectations, I'd like someone to have the balls to say so, so that we can make informed choices about how to spend our money and time. Is that so much to ask?
Locke DieDrake Port Royal Independent Kontractors Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2006.08.29 16:56:00 - [519] Originally by: Flax Volcanus Edited by: Flax Volcanus on 29/08/2006 16:38:32 Actually, I don't want to hear from a dev as much as from The Big Enchilada(s). How about getting Hilmar, Reynir or Magnus on here, explaining to their customers why this thing is so screwed up? All the resource issues we've experienced in past months -- including the one that spawned the now-dreaded QÖ -- are the results of business decisions: To invest (or not invest) in a certain type and size of server farm; to devote a certain number of coders and QA personnel to the issues; to press (or not press) GMs to address specific types of petitions on a timely basis; to continue promoting new business (e.g., trial accounts) at the expense of better serving existing customers; etc. I want to hear from the guys with the power to make things happen, and I want them to explain why things are so messed up. I want them to explain how they're going to fix things now, not how we're going to get all this groovy new stuff down the road, or how things will get better SoonÖ. And, if they're not going to meet customer expectations, I'd like someone to have the balls to say so, so that we can make informed choices about how to spend our money and time. Is that so much to ask? Yes, it is so much. Too much in fact. Business 101. If your customers aren't happy, but they are still paying the bills, you don't have to do anything. And going around telling customers they can't have what they want is contrary to the ideals of business. So no, you aren't going to get what you want. What would be possible/reasonable is for CCP to issue some official statements and timelines for these issues to be resolved. And then at least TRY and keep to them. Frankly though, I have FAITH. I believe they will get it sorted out and eve will be better for it. I believe that CCP has the best interests of EVE at heart and they will do their best to make EVE a great game to play. And if a bunch of people leave, then so be it. That right there would solve half the problem. If you people can't handle the hard times along with the good times you are going to have a very disapointing life. You are also going to be very disapointed if you think CCP is going to respond to threats from the playerbase. Threatening to quit just alieviates their problems. Both the overworked server and the constant deluge of whining on the forums. And no one cares if you are a veteran. CCP doesn't care. I don't care and no one else cares. In fact, lots of people I know would be happy to see vets leave in droves. It lowers the overall skill level and lets newer players take the lead. So don't think you have some special level of input that CCP should listen to. You don't. Now, if all of you would just calm down and let the dust settle we can get back to the business of killing each other. PS** I ran 44 jumps last night before the server crashed and didn't hit a que the entire time. From deep 0.0 to empire and not a que in sight. I think it's possible some of you may be overstating the problem. ___________________________________________ The deeper you stick it in your vein, the deeper the thoughts there's no more pain. ___________________________________________
Fry Star	Posted - 2006.08.29 17:24:00 - [520] Devs are not gonna remove it, they have admitted as much by saying that the values were set too low. This "feature" kills the EvE experience more effectively than I think anything else they could have thought up. /add 1 to cancelled accounts, have fun with the decreased lag folks with people leaving!

Brooke Trout	Posted - 2006.08.29 17:28:00 - [521] Originally by: Locke DieDrake From deep 0.0 to empire and not a que in sight. I think it's possible some of you may be overstating the problem. you didn't experience it so it isn't an issue? Myopic mindset. All it takes is once to get ganked. I hit it twice on a run from Pure Blind to Osmeden the other day (saturday), two systems in a row. I was alone in the first pair and there was one other in the second pair of systems. It happens and it's a problem, even if you want to deny it.
Locke DieDrake Port Royal Independent Kontractors Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2006.08.29 17:35:00 - [522] Originally by: Brooke Trout Originally by: Locke DieDrake From deep 0.0 to empire and not a que in sight. I think it's possible some of you may be overstating the problem. you didn't experience it so it isn't an issue? Myopic mindset. All it takes is once to get ganked. I hit it twice on a run from Pure Blind to Osmeden the other day (saturday), two systems in a row. I was alone in the first pair and there was one other in the second pair of systems. It happens and it's a problem, even if you want to deny it. Do you have a dictionary? Because you need to find out what some of the words you see on this page actually mean. I didn't say it wasn't a problem. Although I do think it's alot LESS of a problem than what you are making it out to be. And you should go back to the 3,4,5,6 pages in this thread and read my opinion of the situation. I think you'll find I enjoy this new system. Yes, shocking. You might get ganked. OH NOES!! Who cares? So you get ganked, or maybe you don't, or maybe you turn the tables and gank the gankers. Either way I'm fine with random gate queing on occasion. Adds a bit of spice and unkown to the game. ___________________________________________ The deeper you stick it in your vein, the deeper the thoughts there's no more pain. ___________________________________________
Alexis Strom	Posted - 2006.08.29 17:42:00 - [523] Just another voice in the ignored crowd. This queueing system is the deal-breaker for me. I'm giving them a few weeks to get it sorted out but I can't justify paying for anything with this kind of garbage. It's effectively destroyed 0.0 and increased travel times, the biggest annoyance in this game to start with, to the point where in my opinion it is an unplayable game. Oh well - hopefully they will get their act together and fix it. If not, well, it's been a good run. The fall was bound to start at some point
Flax Volcanus Tea And Sympathy Ltd. Liability	Posted - 2006.08.29 17:45:00 - [524] No offense, but I think that your view of how businesses operate (or should operate, or whatever) is either naive or hopelessly old school. I work at one of the largest and most profitable companies in the world in its industry, and we are trying to GET RID of the mindset that you portray in your first paragraph, to ensure that we are still profitably in business 10 years down the road. WRT your experience with the QÖ system, I'd go the other direction and suggest that you may be uncharacteristically lucky. I've played every day post-patch, and I've had only 1 trip through Cal, Min and Gall space in which I was not queued up for a jump. (Low-sec and high-sec, but no 0.0.) Lastly, do I think CCP is going to respond to forum threats, complaints or rants? No. I think that they should, but I doubt that they will. Originally by: Locke DieDrake Yes, it is so much. Too much in fact. Business 101. If your customers aren't happy, but they are still paying the bills, you don't have to do anything. And going around telling customers they can't have what they want is contrary to the ideals of business. So no, you aren't going to get what you want. What would be possible/reasonable is for CCP to issue some official statements and timelines for these issues to be resolved. And then at least TRY and keep to them. Frankly though, I have FAITH. I believe they will get it sorted out and eve will be better for it. I believe that CCP has the best interests of EVE at heart and they will do their best to make EVE a great game to play. And if a bunch of people leave, then so be it. That right there would solve half the problem. If you people can't handle the hard times along with the good times you are going to have a very disapointing life. You are also going to be very disapointed if you think CCP is going to respond to threats from the playerbase. Threatening to quit just alieviates their problems. Both the overworked server and the constant deluge of whining on the forums. And no one cares if you are a veteran. CCP doesn't care. I don't care and no one else cares. In fact, lots of people I know would be happy to see vets leave in droves. It lowers the overall skill level and lets newer players take the lead. So don't think you have some special level of input that CCP should listen to. You don't. Now, if all of you would just calm down and let the dust settle we can get back to the business of killing each other. PS** I ran 44 jumps last night before the server crashed and didn't hit a que the entire time. From deep 0.0 to empire and not a que in sight. I think it's possible some of you may be overstating the problem.
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.08.29 18:05:00 - [525] Im not sure how the system queue works. I just spent 2 minutes sitting at a gate in Tunttaras, being told I was #10 in line when there was only 4 people at the gate. Also the counter never counted down (like it did before when i visited Jita). Oh well, im sure they will sort this eventually... --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
BrightCandle	Posted - 2006.08.29 20:02:00 - [526] Up until today this hadn't caused me any problems at all. I had to wait once to get into Jita but it was only a minute or two. I just spent 20 minutes waiting for a queue to clear on a system before I had to just give up and logoff. This is worse than having the servers down because it has the apperance of running fine when actually it doesn't work at all. If it was 30 seconds to a minute occasionally I could live with it, but 20 minutes waiting in a queue when your #1 and have been all that time is unplayable. So I'm sitting back, letting things play out and if in a few weeks I still can't play I would be foolish to pay for it really. I know the devs don't listen, its just another player, just thought I'd mention how worse today it is than any other day, its now unplayable. PS system I was going to had 3 people in it, system I was leaving had 17.
Phrixus Zephyr Singularity.	Posted - 2006.08.29 20:20:00 - [527] Wow, this is lame. We're running from a gang and get to a gate in 0.0 and 'Que, blahblahblah' ...the next system is empty, I've just passed two systems with 20 and 30 people in them. So now we're holed up in a system because if we do burn to the gate there is no guarentee that i wont get there and it goes '** you, you can wait'. Originally by:** El Berto ...aparently being European makes me the spawn of Cthulhu.
consider telos Rionnag Alba Ratel Alliance	Posted - 2006.08.29 20:22:00 - [528] I can't stand this get it sorted AND respond. I'm sitting waiting 20 mins to jump through a gate in geminate for 20 mins.
Equimanthorn Minmatar The Blackwater Brigade	Posted - 2006.08.29 20:26:00 - [529] Edited by: Equimanthorn on 29/08/2006 20:26:22 This game will be great again when there are only 3000 people on the server. I let the bodies lie in shame I let mighty earth drink their blood I turn my face to eternal sky And praise my elders' God
Loyal Servant Caldari Cornhole Inc. The SUdden Death Squad	Posted - 2006.08.29 20:49:00 - [530] It is official. Fleet battles = nerfed Gangs = nerfed Travel in 0.0 = nerfed. Pirates rejoice..... (i'm not - it's unfair to my targets.) Figured that pirates would get an answer to the insta problem. Now, no need to worry about that fat juicy hauler getting away, he will be queued! Cornhole, Inc. - Cornholeing eve one system at a time. Member, The Sudden Death Squad [TSDS]

Alekto Erinys Platinum Investments	Posted - 2006.08.29 21:00:00 - [531] At the very least, CCP should have: 1. Given clear warning that a feature as game-changing as this was being added. 2. Added gate cloak/invulnerability to queued players. 3. Added a system-wide visual indicator as to the ability of a gate to accept travelers, as well as some indication of how many travelers the gate (node) will accept before the queue kicks in. Until these conditions are met, the queueing system needs to be completely disabled, not throttled down. This is a bigger issue than instas, broken old content (cov ops + cyno), or any new content . This needs immediate attention! And TBH, the queueing system isn't the preferable solution to this problem (managing node load). An ideal solution would be seamless from a player's perspective. I don't know if simply adding more hardware will solve the problem, or if the server's architecture can be retooled to dynamically balance load (probably the most ideal solution), but CCP should be prepared to lose customers as long as load management thrusts itself into players' gameplay in such a manner. I don't have a ton of time to play games, and I don't want to spend what little time I do have sitting at a gate waiting to jump.
XoPhyte Out Siders Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.08.29 21:02:00 - [532] This is just total crap. Gameplay is simply screwed. No other way to put it. I cannot even move 2 systems without waiting for 30 minutes. Get stuck on gates when I am the only person in system on both sides? I hope this gets fixed soon. Also, why when I try to jump and get queued, does my ship fly AWAY from the gate.
Loyal Servant Caldari Cornhole Inc. The SUdden Death Squad	Posted - 2006.08.29 21:08:00 - [533] There is no 'fix' It is what it is. Read the latest patch notes on the thursday patch. CCP does not give a flying f--k what we think at this point. I said it yesterday in this thread. The reason it is being ignored is because it is here and here to stay. Whether or not many others will put up with this is the question. I can foresee a mass exodus of middle aged to older pvpers over this. My new terms for the bugs, crashes and such: Eve Offline. Cornhole, Inc. - Cornholeing eve one system at a time. Member, The Sudden Death Squad [TSDS]
XoPhyte Out Siders Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.08.29 21:27:00 - [534] Hostile fleet 2 jumps away. We respond..... 30 minutes later. Slow response from us? nope. No instas? We have them all. It took roughly 15 minutes PER JUMP, to go 2 jumps. By the time we got there of course no hostile fleet there. If we cannot fight hostiles fleets 2 jumps from us, then whats the point of playing this game? I can see it now. POS's and stations are under attack. Supporting fleet is stuck "queuing" in gates and ends up losing the stations.
Pesadel0 Vagabundos	Posted - 2006.08.29 21:47:00 - [535] Originally by: Loyal Servant It is official. Fleet battles = nerfed Gangs = nerfed Travel in 0.0 = nerfed. Pirates rejoice..... (i'm not - it's unfair to my targets.) Figured that pirates would get an answer to the insta problem. Now, no need to worry about that fat juicy hauler getting away, he will be queued! WTF are you talking about?Do you know that pirates me included see the queues just as badly as you? And WTF is that about sudden death squad not being a pirate?
Nerf Caldari	Posted - 2006.08.29 21:48:00 - [536] For the love of god CCP.... RESPOND! IBTL!
Malarkey Minmatar angels of darkness LTD	Posted - 2006.08.29 22:00:00 - [537] Just give us the option in Autopilot to avoid systems with traffic advisory warnings on them. This is very, very poor!
zyto	Posted - 2006.08.29 22:19:00 - [538] I'll probally stick around til kali to see if its fixed, if not, then i see little point in having anything to do with this extremely broken game. Amazing what one stupid idea can do to a game isn't it?
Surly Bob The Church of Violentology	Posted - 2006.08.29 22:24:00 - [539] The queue has got to go. --- For the love of God, CCP! Fix the bugs from Exodus before adding more "features"!!!
Moghydin Confederation of Red Moon Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.08.29 22:28:00 - [540] Originally by: zyto I'll probally stick around til kali to see if its fixed, if not, then i see little point in having anything to do with this extremely broken game. Amazing what one stupid idea can do to a game isn't it? Tbh, I don't see a reason, why they won't take the servers down for 24h and simply re-roll the whole Dragon patch. It's surely wasn't ready for Tranq. and brought with itself an astonishing amount of bugs and glitches, along with poorly thought game "improvements". May be I haven't read some dev response, but plz enlighten me, what was the original purpose of that patch, apart from making older OS's obsolete.



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