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Locke DieDrake Port Royal Independent Kontractors Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2006.08.23 15:58:00 - [31] Originally by: Elliott Manchild Originally by: Parat Tendri Originally by: Lanu Originally by: Parat Tendri Originally by: Lanu This must be temporary.. I just can't believe this would stay ingame in this form for long. It will totally ruin any pvp Maybe not, it depends how the mechanism of it really is implemented. I think it is ok, if it is activated when the system you are going to jump into gets a traffic advisory because you would get stuck in there. This way you save yourself quite some time waiting to get unstuck again by the GMs and can take the route around... might safe you a lot of time and worries. If the system you are going to jump into just is a bit laggy then it should stay deactivated. But will you also say that.. if somebody declares war on your corp. And you find your self surrounded by enemy's at a gate and you get a message to "please wait a second because you are number 341 in the que" when your trying to get out? In this situation you are faster to jump somewhere else in the system and use a gate to a system that has no advisory. In case you chose to be in a system with only one exit it is tough luck and you can hope to have good safespots ;) So your sittin on the gate waitin to jump your number 60 in the que. Someone instas in to the gate lands next to you and warp scrambles you for 10 points and your in a frigate what you gonna do? You are going to die. Shocking I know. Of course, Imagine this, you are sitting on a gate, your #4 in line. Someone instas, locks you and you jump thru. They can't follow you for however long it takes the que to go thru. Seems balanced to me. And I think it adds a layer of uncertainty to it. Which I like. It's lame that you can ALWAYS count on the gate being able to save you when you get in over your head. And it's nice that alot of people are going to be introduced to Mr Murphy. If it can go wrong, it will. ___________________________________________ The deeper you stick it in your vein, the deeper the thoughts there's no more pain. ___________________________________________
Parat Tendri Amarr	Posted - 2006.08.23 15:58:00 - [32] Originally by: Elliott Manchild Originally by: Parat Tendri Originally by: Lanu Originally by: Parat Tendri Originally by: Lanu This must be temporary.. I just can't believe this would stay ingame in this form for long. It will totally ruin any pvp Maybe not, it depends how the mechanism of it really is implemented. I think it is ok, if it is activated when the system you are going to jump into gets a traffic advisory because you would get stuck in there. This way you save yourself quite some time waiting to get unstuck again by the GMs and can take the route around... might safe you a lot of time and worries. If the system you are going to jump into just is a bit laggy then it should stay deactivated. But will you also say that.. if somebody declares war on your corp. And you find your self surrounded by enemy's at a gate and you get a message to "please wait a second because you are number 341 in the que" when your trying to get out? In this situation you are faster to jump somewhere else in the system and use a gate to a system that has no advisory. In case you chose to be in a system with only one exit it is tough luck and you can hope to have good safespots ;) So your sittin on the gate waitin to jump your number 60 in the que. Someone instas in to the gate lands next to you and warp scrambles you for 10 points and your in a frigate what you gonna do? This warping in and scrambling can happen to you even if you are not in this queue, it is just a question of timing (he might even wait for you to warp in close and have a bubble up or anything else fancy. What you do in such a situation? Fight and die with honor ;)
Elliott Manchild omen.	Posted - 2006.08.23 16:00:00 - [33] Originally by: Parat Tendri Originally by: Elliott Manchild Originally by: Parat Tendri Originally by: Lanu Originally by: Parat Tendri Originally by: Lanu This must be temporary.. I just can't believe this would stay ingame in this form for long. It will totally ruin any pvp Maybe not, it depends how the mechanism of it really is implemented. I think it is ok, if it is activated when the system you are going to jump into gets a traffic advisory because you would get stuck in there. This way you save yourself quite some time waiting to get unstuck again by the GMs and can take the route around... might safe you a lot of time and worries. If the system you are going to jump into just is a bit laggy then it should stay deactivated. But will you also say that.. if somebody declares war on your corp. And you find your self surrounded by enemy's at a gate and you get a message to "please wait a second because you are number 341 in the que" when your trying to get out? In this situation you are faster to jump somewhere else in the system and use a gate to a system that has no advisory. In case you chose to be in a system with only one exit it is tough luck and you can hope to have good safespots ;) So your sittin on the gate waitin to jump your number 60 in the que. Someone instas in to the gate lands next to you and warp scrambles you for 10 points and your in a frigate what you gonna do? This warping in and scrambling can happen to you even if you are not in this queue, it is just a question of timing (he might even wait for you to warp in close and have a bubble up or anything else fancy. What you do in such a situation? Fight and die with honor ;) If you wasn't waitin in the que to jump you wouldn't be there still you would of been gone 5minutes ago..
Garramon Gallente Sturmgrenadier Inc R i s e	Posted - 2006.08.23 16:01:00 - [34] Originally by: Locke DieDrake stuff.. You are going to die. Shocking I know. Of course, Imagine this, you are sitting on a gate, your #4 in line. Someone instas, locks you and you jump thru. They can't follow you for however long it takes the que to go thru. Seems balanced to me. And I think it adds a layer of uncertainty to it. Which I like. It's lame that you can ALWAYS count on the gate being able to save you when you get in over your head. And it's nice that alot of people are going to be introduced to Mr Murphy. If it can go wrong, it will. You see, there are definitely two sides to this one, and I am not sure what I like the thought of better. I always thought everything in EVE was too guaranteed. I mean seriously, how come we never get a "space flat tire." For some reason the fact that ~50% of the people replying to the thread fail to read and understand the point of the OP is hilarious.
Traxio Nacho Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.08.23 16:02:00 - [35] Quote: That's why I think that we will see this situation not very often. The systems in EVE can take quite a load of ships before going haywire (see your example). No the point is at the moment it seems its letting no more than 400 people enter Jita or prob any other system. well 400 for Jita is quiet when the evening/weekend hits you can see upward of 600 now if this is a case you could be waiting quite a long time to enter busy systems. Also as someone has pointed out say your in a gang of 75 and want to jump into another gang of 75 but theres already 350 people in local what happens your gang gets slaughtered as it cant all jump in. Plus now all people would have to do to lock a system down is make sure they have 400 people in local and then only a few people could enter at a time.
Parat Tendri Amarr	Posted - 2006.08.23 16:03:00 - [36] Originally by: Elliott Manchild Originally by: Parat Tendri Originally by: Elliott Manchild Originally by: Parat Tendri Originally by: Lanu Originally by: Parat Tendri Originally by: Lanu This must be temporary.. I just can't believe this would stay ingame in this form for long. It will totally ruin any pvp Maybe not, it depends how the mechanism of it really is implemented. I think it is ok, if it is activated when the system you are going to jump into gets a traffic advisory because you would get stuck in there. This way you save yourself quite some time waiting to get unstuck again by the GMs and can take the route around... might safe you a lot of time and worries. If the system you are going to jump into just is a bit laggy then it should stay deactivated. But will you also say that.. if somebody declares war on your corp. And you find your self surrounded by enemy's at a gate and you get a message to "please wait a second because you are number 341 in the que" when your trying to get out? In this situation you are faster to jump somewhere else in the system and use a gate to a system that has no advisory. In case you chose to be in a system with only one exit it is tough luck and you can hope to have good safespots ;) So your sittin on the gate waitin to jump your number 60 in the que. Someone instas in to the gate lands next to you and warp scrambles you for 10 points and your in a frigate what you gonna do? This warping in and scrambling can happen to you even if you are not in this queue, it is just a question of timing (he might even wait for you to warp in close and have a bubble up or anything else fancy. What you do in such a situation? Fight and die with honor ;) If you wasn't waitin in the que to jump you wouldn't be there still you would of been gone 5minutes ago.. Or might have gotten... ...lagged out and killed, ...stopped by a warpbubble before reaching the actual instajump distance ...etc. Many possibilities
Elliott Manchild omen.	Posted - 2006.08.23 16:04:00 - [37] There is also a que now for when you log in if Jita is at its 'Capacity' or w/e it says you have to que to login. So that really sucks if you get a crash to desktop in jita in a fight.
LAZMAN S.A.S	Posted - 2006.08.23 16:04:00 - [38] LOL at this crap. i can see the petitions now. i was in a 50bill ship on instas and war targets who i did't agro killed me cus i was 17 in the waiting line to ju,p.
Parat Tendri Amarr	Posted - 2006.08.23 16:05:00 - [39] Originally by: Traxio Nacho Quote: That's why I think that we will see this situation not very often. The systems in EVE can take quite a load of ships before going haywire (see your example). No the point is at the moment it seems its letting no more than 400 people enter Jita or prob any other system. well 400 for Jita is quiet when the evening/weekend hits you can see upward of 600 now if this is a case you could be waiting quite a long time to enter busy systems. Also as someone has pointed out say your in a gang of 75 and want to jump into another gang of 75 but theres already 350 people in local what happens your gang gets slaughtered as it cant all jump in. Plus now all people would have to do to lock a system down is make sure they have 400 people in local and then only a few people could enter at a time. That's why I said that I would think of the queue as a good thing, when the system behind that gate has a traffic advisory and thus a high chance for players getting stuck .
Elliott Manchild omen.	Posted - 2006.08.23 16:06:00 - [40] Originally by: Parat Tendri Originally by: Elliott Manchild Originally by: Parat Tendri Originally by: Elliott Manchild Originally by: Parat Tendri Originally by: Lanu Originally by: Parat Tendri Originally by: Lanu This must be temporary.. I just can't believe this would stay ingame in this form for long. It will totally ruin any pvp Maybe not, it depends how the mechanism of it really is implemented. I think it is ok, if it is activated when the system you are going to jump into gets a traffic advisory because you would get stuck in there. This way you save yourself quite some time waiting to get unstuck again by the GMs and can take the route around... might safe you a lot of time and worries. If the system you are going to jump into just is a bit laggy then it should stay deactivated. But will you also say that.. if somebody declares war on your corp. And you find your self surrounded by enemy's at a gate and you get a message to "please wait a second because you are number 341 in the que" when your trying to get out? In this situation you are faster to jump somewhere else in the system and use a gate to a system that has no advisory. In case you chose to be in a system with only one exit it is tough luck and you can hope to have good safespots ;) So your sittin on the gate waitin to jump your number 60 in the que. Someone instas in to the gate lands next to you and warp scrambles you for 10 points and your in a frigate what you gonna do? This warping in and scrambling can happen to you even if you are not in this queue, it is just a question of timing (he might even wait for you to warp in close and have a bubble up or anything else fancy. What you do in such a situation? Fight and die with honor ;) If you wasn't waitin in the que to jump you wouldn't be there still you would of been gone 5minutes ago.. Or might have gotten... ...lagged out and killed, ...stopped by a warpbubble before reaching the actual instajump distance ...etc. Many possibilities Warp bubbles in empire? Frigate with instas + nanos = doubt would get locked damn fast enough

Parat Tendri Amarr	Posted - 2006.08.23 16:10:00 - [41] Originally by: Elliott Manchild So your sittin on the gate waitin to jump your number 60 in the que. Someone instas in to the gate lands next to you and warp scrambles you for 10 points and your in a frigate what you gonna do? ... Originally by: Elliott Manchild Warp bubbles in empire? Frigate with instas + nanos = doubt would get locked down fast enough You might have answered your own question here... by the way I was speaking in general, not only about empire systems.
ching'sta Amarr	Posted - 2006.08.23 16:10:00 - [42] this is wierd no more fleet battles?
Parat Tendri Amarr	Posted - 2006.08.23 16:13:00 - [43] Originally by: Elliott Manchild There is also a que now for when you log in if Jita is at its 'Capacity' or w/e it says you have to que to login. So that really sucks if you get a crash to desktop in jita in a fight. That is what I wouldn't like about the idea... I would only vote for it to prevent players to jump in a system with traffic advisory.
Argenton Sayvers	Posted - 2006.08.23 16:18:00 - [44] Sneaky way to nerf tradehubs. "Yes we know that it makes sense that everyone meets up in Jita and trades there because of the way our travel systen and game design in general is set up. So we just closed Jita. Deal with it."
Soulis Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.08.23 16:23:00 - [45] If this feature is meant, it will plain and simple destroy eve. Shinra - The Good Guys
Galk Gallente Autumn Tactics	Posted - 2006.08.23 16:25:00 - [46] Hope it's only temporary, either that or i want to be immune while que'd up. You go anywhere near jita with an expensive haul of gear in your cargo hold to sell, your just going to be fodder to highsec gank looters. ______ Long ago one gorgeous night, we let the stars grow free. We let Zhuge do that once, he came back carrying a traffic cone, a forsale sign and three empty bottles of dutch lager. He also lost his Zimmer Frame... - Imaran

wystler Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department	Posted - 2006.08.23 16:29:00 - [47] I've tidied up the over-quoting. Can you cut out some of the previous posts when you hit "Quote" in the future please guys? Thanks eve-crc.net \| forum rules \| c.a.o.d forum rules \| [email protected] Official keeper of the smilie. Yarr!

Akira Kaneshiro Caldari Associated Press	Posted - 2006.08.23 16:31:00 - [48] ---- sig ---- Stop whining. Deal with it or quit the game.
Nifel Caldari Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.08.23 16:31:00 - [49] Originally by: Parat Tendri Originally by: Elliott Manchild If you wasn't waitin in the que to jump you wouldn't be there still you would of been gone 5minutes ago.. Or might have gotten... ...lagged out and killed, ...stopped by a warpbubble before reaching the actual instajump distance ...etc. Many possibilities How does that in any way justify an artifical limit? Wake up and smell the roses... "When I die I want to die peacefully in my sleep like my grandpa. Not yelling and screaming like the passengers in his car." RKK Ranking: (MIN14)
Ozzie Asrail Hybrid Syndicate	Posted - 2006.08.23 16:31:00 - [50] wow this is an increadably bad idea -----

Warchild Lightningblade	Posted - 2006.08.23 16:33:00 - [51] But hey look on the bright side... Quote: 8/14/2006 NEW PCU RECORD Yesterday at 18:21 a new PCU milestone was reached as 28020 EVE Players were logged in at the same time. The dream of reaching more than 30K simultaneous users is closer to becoming a reality. oh right, and this still is considered a non-shard server architecture right?
Ralus eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.08.23 16:34:00 - [52] I don't mean to flame here, but if your worried about getting caught in a traffic jam getting into jita and getting popped by some war targets while your carrying multi-billion isk worth loads of kit... why don't you take it somewhere else to sell?
Locke DieDrake Port Royal Independent Kontractors Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2006.08.23 16:35:00 - [53] Originally by: Soulis If this feature is meant, it will plain and simple destroy eve. Stop, just stop talking. Nothing that only affects the 2 or 3 bussiest systems is going to "destroy" eve. What a laughable idea. Most of the people I play with don't go to jita. They send their alts if they have no choice. But most people that aren't A) super carebears with no idea of 0.0 or no care, or B) gankers looking for a kill. The rest of us stop by once in a while, pick up some gear and roll out. If doing so means going in a tanked up ship and facing a que to get in, then thats exactly what will happen. It would probably also help to remove all agents from jita. Thats probably half the population right there. It should either be a mission hub, or a trade hub, not both. ___________________________________________ The deeper you stick it in your vein, the deeper the thoughts there's no more pain. ___________________________________________
James Lyrus Lyrus Associates Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.08.23 16:42:00 - [54] Originally by: Ralus I don't mean to flame here, but if your worried about getting caught in a traffic jam getting into jita and getting popped by some war targets while your carrying multi-billion isk worth loads of kit... why don't you take it somewhere else to sell? I go to Jita because I can find wartargets there :). Of course, it's a hub because it's on an awful lot of routes back and forth, if that were alleviated somewhat, then it'd be easier to deal with.
Crucifier The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.08.23 16:45:00 - [55] Originally by: Parat Tendri Originally by: Traxio Nacho Quote: That's why I think that we will see this situation not very often. The systems in EVE can take quite a load of ships before going haywire (see your example). No the point is at the moment it seems its letting no more than 400 people enter Jita or prob any other system. well 400 for Jita is quiet when the evening/weekend hits you can see upward of 600 now if this is a case you could be waiting quite a long time to enter busy systems. Also as someone has pointed out say your in a gang of 75 and want to jump into another gang of 75 but theres already 350 people in local what happens your gang gets slaughtered as it cant all jump in. Plus now all people would have to do to lock a system down is make sure they have 400 people in local and then only a few people could enter at a time. That's why I said that I would think of the queue as a good thing, when the system behind that gate has a traffic advisory and thus a high chance for players getting stuck . Im not actually responding to what you wrote above this because i stopped reading your posts after a while, it is quite obvious that you are a clueless noob that has never pvped. Please stop making such stupid posts
Lanu	Posted - 2006.08.23 16:45:00 - [56] Ofcourse we dont know all the details, but it looks like this isnt just for jita but for all bussy systems. What would of had happend if this would happen in lets say XZH-4X or D7-ZAC/H-W or in the fights of the coalition versus the red alliance. Then your also talking about 300/400 or even more in one system trying to fight each other, just imagine the amount of petitions and posts on these forums about people losing their ship because they could jump into the hostile fleet but the rest of their 300 man gang couldn't? This isnt just about some trader in a bestower during a empire war in Jita. I find the 0.0 systems during a alliance war more laggy then jita with 750 people in local. I'm not obsessing. I'm just curious.
Joshua Foiritain Gallente Coreli Corporation	Posted - 2006.08.23 16:48:00 - [57] Edited by: Joshua Foiritain on 23/08/2006 16:49:36 Originally by: Ralus I don't mean to flame here, but if your worried about getting caught in a traffic jam getting into jita and getting popped by some war targets while your carrying multi-billion isk worth loads of kit... why don't you take it somewhere else to sell? Highway. That and nobody really cares about Jita, this is gonna ruin alliance fleet wars in 0.0. Defenders: Ohnoes an enemy fleet of 200 ships is coming to bash our POS! Quickly Blob in the station Sys. Attackers: You are number 173 in the queue, estimated time to ~~jump~~ certain death: 1 hours and 45 minutes. Yeah, blobbing 4tw. ----- [Coreli Corporation Mainframe]
zincol S.A.S	Posted - 2006.08.23 16:52:00 - [58] Dont care what its suppose to do or prevent get rid of it,it's the most stupid thing ever,usless,time wasting crap and a great thing to get ppl ganked or slow down fleets of ppl...
Stelteck Minmatar FRENCH NAVY Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2006.08.23 16:54:00 - [59] Sorry, but i just logged in the 0.0 VENAL system of 9-8. The system put me in the queue to enter system. I was 2. 3 minutes later, i'am first and i successfully logged inside the system.... AND DISCOVER THAT WE WERE 4 PILOTS MAXIMUM. Hum. The limit is not 200, but 4. Problem. Stelteck. Tau ceti FEDERATION F-NAVY "Brakes are for cowards"
Traxio Nacho Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.08.23 16:55:00 - [60] Well the guy has only been playing 4 days according to his charc info



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