Might I suggest CSM rep if the problem is bombers and combat probes that you adovacte they be fixed and not a normal functiom like fleet warps.

Phoebe was a necessity mainly due to the power projection your group had as a Super dominant force as well as others. But I digress. These changes are like cutting off ones foot to deal with trimming toe nails. Why not just deal with bombers directly? Why make the rest of us suffer with these changes? These are utterly rediculous in means and context.

All you are doing is placing more weight upon FC's and making people create more alts for nothing of benefit. I suggest you go to CCP and scrap this whole ordeal. If you want to nerf bombers deal with the platform directly. Not break an unbroken mechanic that already suffers from grid and placement issues.

Please give the small/micro gang elite pvp jerks their arena to go fight in and stop buggering up strategic fleet warfare.

Thanks, looking forward to this change.

I am a FC I feel no extra weight from this change and if I did. I get volunteers from fleet to help me.

That's a terrible excuse Manfred. Come on.... so you expect other FC's to force other people to play fleet jockey or get another account. I rest my case.

I suppose it never crossed your mind that the intent of restricting fleet warps was multi-faceted in nature. The bomber nerf is only one part. (It does, however, happen to be my favorite part!)

Manny said bombers and combat probes are the issue (which I can agree with). So why not apply a change like a 50% reduction in bomb explosion velocity with a small increase in base damage, with a further slow down of the bombs to decrease a bombers effectiveness whilst a base slowing of combat probes scan time. Obviously these things need to be refined. But making bombs apply less damage per sig radius gives shield bs a chance (despite the devs thinking battleships are ok, they are not afaik). Point is nerfing fleet warps to fix another problem breaks other things intentional or not that's not cool if you don't state that is the intended consequence.

I've never actually undocked in an ishtar! Check my killboard if you don't believe me. For whatever dumb reason, I happen to have Gallente Cruiser, Heavy Assault Ships, and Sentry Drone Operation all at rank five, so if I was so inclined, I feel like I'd operate the ship quite well. Haven't had a reason to do so, however -- Goonswarm Federation, in general, doesn't fly them outside of SIGs.

e: In PVP, anyways -- ishtars are very common PVE ships in Deklein.

Far be it from people in the fleet actually having to contribute towards its success.

I'm not entirely sure how it "breaks" things, honestly. Does it make them less convenient? Sure!

So you say these changes will help shield doctrines from bombers... Yet never undocked in an Ishtar before. Okay....

Implying you've even undocked and contributed towards something besides being on the ass end of a bombing run. You just stated you've never even undocked in an Ishtar yet speak as if well versed in shield doctrines....

So first you denigrate me for thinking that I fly ishtars, now you denigrate me for not flying an ishtar? I am confused -- which one of these scenarios makes me better at Eve: Online?

Immediately below your post quoted here Teh Replika gave you a pretty good example of consequences. Back to my comment why wont someone state what are the other intended consequences of this change?

You clearly railed me for speaking against the changes, berated my skill as an Eve player because I disagreed and made counter points. Then you boldly made assumptions about shield doctrines and their viability against bombing runs when I clearly stated fix bombers instead of this tripe.

And still you went on until you stuck your foot in your mouth about never even undocking in an Ishtar which tells me:

You are full of ****.

You do realize this does nothing to those fleets but hurts the smaller ones way more? Starting with the fact that the almost all big groups are in one corp only and will have access to corpbookmarks from the initial scout.

What this change does is it kills NPSI fleets., esp in wormholespace. Have fun giving everyone in fleet the bookmarks beforehand. Multiple people from the same corp in fleet might help not a bit since they need to have corproles for bookmarks.
This is especially true in wormholespace where you need a ****-ton of bookmarks just of the holes.
Flying through a big system or even thera? "FC, call me in 5 minutes when you land so we can warp too"
Forgot to copy one of the bookmarks? well, sucks to be you.
Someone went the wrong way? You are stranded alone until someone comes back to get you. OFC that will polarize this person and force it to do nothing for 5 minutes and be left behind.
Corpbookmarks haven-¦t updated yet? Well, see you in 5 minutes.
You found someone in a sig you do not have a bookmark for? Combatprobe him down and hope he is still in there not just by the time you warp there, but everybody warps to you too. You better scanned in a tanky T3 and not came through one of these great only-the-smallest-of-ships wormholes. Also huge boost to WCS, everybody love those.

As enough people have stated it also really hurts group PvE that isn-¦t anomrunning. Bestcase it double the traveltime (superfun with the most popular PvE ships being BS sized), worstcase "have fun tanking the site alone for 30 sec until our RR gets here too".

For PvP this is a huge boost to kiting. You get a cloakyprober next to a kitingfleet, by the time your buddies land near you the kiters have made at least another 10km and are out of webrange. You use a noncloaky to keep up with them, free killmail thanks to the addition of RLMLs.

Things will never warp at the same speed, tackle lands and gets faceraped, logi lands and looks stupid, mainfleet lands and is in exactly the same position as pre-warp. And then land the capitals and ask themselves why te grid is empty. Unless you are flying ishtars, T3s or mordus-¦ ships, because all of those are so little used anyways compared to BCs and BS who get shafted again. Oh, and you better hope everybody has all lvl5 navigationskills, if you FC some new players you will be out of warp long before they are.

It takes away the homefield advantage of FCs with 20+ tacticals around every gate in the homeregion. Good and bad at the same time but again a huge boost to kiting.


Again, this change only supports blobbing and excessive use of multiboxing, like so many other changes we have seen lately.




And again, lowend residents get the shaft because C5/6s. "Potential profitability" with nanoribbons creeping around 2M a piece...
Warping to fleetmembers 0 on a hole needs them to be decloaked, let-¦s also anounce it in local, just in case they do not have a scout out. Sneaking up on someone in a site only works if it is not littered with asteroids, LCOs, huge gasclouds or just sleepers spawning and burning around.
This change effects 5 man escalationfarmers NOT AT ALL, it is even a boost for their security.

So first you denigrate me for thinking that I fly ishtars, now you denigrate me for not flying an ishtar? I am confused -- which one of these scenarios makes me better at Eve: Online?

Pretty much all game changes have consequences. What particular consequence "breaks" the game?

You were the one to first berate my skill at this game because I simply disagreed and gave counter points. Now you don't want to play this little game anymore? Point taken.