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Querns
GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2015.06.12 06:28:55 -
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Tara Read wrote:Manfred Sideous wrote:Budrick3 wrote:
Poor attempt at saving face.
Rule of all holes, stop digging when you are in one.
Your embarrassing your alliance, the people that put faith in voting for you, and most of all, your embarrassing yourself.
Does this mean I am not gonna win a popularity contest ? Aww shucks im gutted really. Weren't you elected to instill positive changes for a majority of the Eve Community? Or am I just being fickle thinking the CSM is supposed to do that.... I mean honestly. Didn't you guys take into consideration the myriad of problems this creates for people? Even if the intentions were good, the execution is utterly terrible. I mean really terrible. Can't you guys come up with something better than this? I mean besides terrible icons and super skins for only half the titans at 35 USD a pop.... Your mistake was assuming that the CSM is a widespread popularity contest. Virtually no-one in Eve likes Goonswarm Federation, yet we consistently elect 2 candidates to the CSM. A CSM member who owes his spot to his confederates has little incentive to represent the player base as a whole.
Don't like it? Vote next time.
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Shilalasar
Dead Sky Inc.
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Posted - 2015.06.12 06:29:11 -
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Joran Jackson wrote:I think this is a fantastic change for wormholes. Anything that makes it harder for 50 man WH fleets to function gets a thumbs up from me.
You do realize this does nothing to those fleets but hurts the smaller ones way more? Starting with the fact that the almost all big groups are in one corp only and will have access to corpbookmarks from the initial scout.
What this change does is it kills NPSI fleets., esp in wormholespace. Have fun giving everyone in fleet the bookmarks beforehand. Multiple people from the same corp in fleet might help not a bit since they need to have corproles for bookmarks. This is especially true in wormholespace where you need a ****-ton of bookmarks just of the holes. Flying through a big system or even thera? "FC, call me in 5 minutes when you land so we can warp too" Forgot to copy one of the bookmarks? well, sucks to be you. Someone went the wrong way? You are stranded alone until someone comes back to get you. OFC that will polarize this person and force it to do nothing for 5 minutes and be left behind. Corpbookmarks haven-¦t updated yet? Well, see you in 5 minutes. You found someone in a sig you do not have a bookmark for? Combatprobe him down and hope he is still in there not just by the time you warp there, but everybody warps to you too. You better scanned in a tanky T3 and not came through one of these great only-the-smallest-of-ships wormholes. Also huge boost to WCS, everybody love those.
As enough people have stated it also really hurts group PvE that isn-¦t anomrunning. Bestcase it double the traveltime (superfun with the most popular PvE ships being BS sized), worstcase "have fun tanking the site alone for 30 sec until our RR gets here too".
For PvP this is a huge boost to kiting. You get a cloakyprober next to a kitingfleet, by the time your buddies land near you the kiters have made at least another 10km and are out of webrange. You use a noncloaky to keep up with them, free killmail thanks to the addition of RLMLs.
Things will never warp at the same speed, tackle lands and gets faceraped, logi lands and looks stupid, mainfleet lands and is in exactly the same position as pre-warp. And then land the capitals and ask themselves why te grid is empty. Unless you are flying ishtars, T3s or mordus-¦ ships, because all of those are so little used anyways compared to BCs and BS who get shafted again. Oh, and you better hope everybody has all lvl5 navigationskills, if you FC some new players you will be out of warp long before they are.
It takes away the homefield advantage of FCs with 20+ tacticals around every gate in the homeregion. Good and bad at the same time but again a huge boost to kiting.
Again, this change only supports blobbing and excessive use of multiboxing, like so many other changes we have seen lately.
CCP Larrikin wrote:Both of these points are solid. Corbexx brought these up while we where talking to the CSM about the change. Regarding slowing down the speed of sites, given the potential profitability of wormhole space, we don't consider this a major negative. Regarding movement fleets though WH space, we have something we're working on for this. That said some of the feedback we've received is mixed. Reducing power projection though WH space (for both WH residence & passes though) not seen as all bad.
And again, lowend residents get the shaft because C5/6s. "Potential profitability" with nanoribbons creeping around 2M a piece... Warping to fleetmembers 0 on a hole needs them to be decloaked, let-¦s also anounce it in local, just in case they do not have a scout out. Sneaking up on someone in a site only works if it is not littered with asteroids, LCOs, huge gasclouds or just sleepers spawning and burning around. This change effects 5 man escalationfarmers NOT AT ALL, it is even a boost for their security. |
wazp1
Limited Power Inc It Must Be Jelly Cause Jam Don't Shake
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Posted - 2015.06.12 06:30:45 -
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I have not seen the o7 show yet but: I dont see any point doing this, must be one of the most stupid changes in Eve. As if you are doing that change are you then doing:
Alliance Bookmarks Increase corp bookmarks Increase update freq on corp and now the New alliance bookmarks that make sure everyone in Corp/alliance have that bookmark as when in mostly whs not everyone can see the bookmark before its to late and therefor fleet /Winge / squad warp
#where is the Wh Csm on this?
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Querns
GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2015.06.12 06:33:20 -
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Shilalasar wrote:And then land the capitals and ask themselves why te grid is empty. Your capitals, maybe. Mine warp faster than cruisers.
This post was crafted by the wormhole expert of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.
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Kendarr
Zebra Corp The Bastion
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Posted - 2015.06.12 06:34:55 -
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Also if you want to nerf the speed of bombers bombing, why not just put a huge timers on the bomb launchers or reload time? like 10 mins or something.
Zebra-Corp
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Querns
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Posted - 2015.06.12 06:36:52 -
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Kendarr wrote:Also if you want to nerf the speed of bombers bombing, why not just put a huge timers on the bomb launchers or reload time? like 10 mins or something. Bombers are too inexpensive for this to be viable. Use a bomber, then warp to a pos or a cloaked carrier to swap out your bomber for one lacking the reload/activation timer.
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Tara Read
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
827
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Posted - 2015.06.12 06:37:11 -
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Querns wrote:Tara Read wrote:Querns wrote:You delegate the task of creating warp-ins to players in covops or interceptors. See the "I Was There" trailer for a fairly decent dramatization of this oddly foreign concept: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OSxSyv4LC1c The changes may be annoying to you and the crutches upon which you rely to play eve, but they're positive for the game as a whole. Adapt. How exactly is a fleet warp a crutch? Are you saying I am incapable of right clicking a name on my watch list and warping to them at a designated range? Because people do this already. You fail to see the stupidity in these changes because you cannot see the context of the problems they create which are many. Also, if I may I play Eve in many different ways and many different situations. The battlefield and the tactics and strategies therein are fluid and constantly in motion. That's what makes Eve unique and sadly maybe it's only redeeming quality if this trend continues. The unknown. The enigma. The what "if". Every action has a reaction in Eve. Every command, target, fitting, ship, strategy, convo, every detail can have a shift in the outcome of everything from battles to Alliances and Coalitions. Your very own Coalition owes it's successes and rise to power by the actions of one person. So please as someone who has played this game since 2004 do not sit here and lecture me on the virtues and reasons to "adapt." I've been doing it in this game for a long time. You still have failed to give me a reason as to WHY these changes are positive. If you feel another role for a player to field is a potential good thing then come at it from that angle! And while the intention MAY be good. The execution so far has been terrible. IF anything this diminishes a players role: the FC. Or even worse creates an even greater difficulty for FC'a and content creators. The negative implications out weight the good intentions these changes try to instill. That you cannot argue against and that is what over 20 pages of a majority of people here agree upon. There we go with the "majority" thing again. Length of forum thread does not dictate popularity due to the low patronage of the forums. This argument cheapens the position of anyone using it. You've also used the "content" word again, which is another loaded phrase. Thinking of Eve in terms of "content" puts blinkers on your ability to converse. I've given plenty of positive effects associated with this change -- the castration of the bomber meta, the potential revitalization of shield ships, increased effectiveness of travel interdiction, increased fleet roles for interceptors/covops, a higher skill ceiling for eve. If you don't like any of these, that's fine, but I find them to be overwhelmingly positive.
So you hate bombers. Gotcha. Jesus Christ that's a lot of words for "I hate being bombed!" And please stop trying to circlejerk yourself with these convoluted paragraphs of buzz words like "content" and "meta". It's beginning to sound like another propaganda Jim Jones cool aide fest that I have no intention of drinking.
If you have issues with bombers why not fix them? Why instead of screwing the pooch with everyone else CCP perhaps place warping or grid restrictions on bombers? Maybe make flying them more niche than making us all suffer for half baked fleet mechanics?
Oh of course. Instead of building a fire to keep the house warm CCP just sets the whole house on fire instead. Typical.
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Tara Read
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
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Posted - 2015.06.12 06:38:56 -
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Querns wrote:Tara Read wrote:Manfred Sideous wrote:Budrick3 wrote:
Poor attempt at saving face.
Rule of all holes, stop digging when you are in one.
Your embarrassing your alliance, the people that put faith in voting for you, and most of all, your embarrassing yourself.
Does this mean I am not gonna win a popularity contest ? Aww shucks im gutted really. Weren't you elected to instill positive changes for a majority of the Eve Community? Or am I just being fickle thinking the CSM is supposed to do that.... I mean honestly. Didn't you guys take into consideration the myriad of problems this creates for people? Even if the intentions were good, the execution is utterly terrible. I mean really terrible. Can't you guys come up with something better than this? I mean besides terrible icons and super skins for only half the titans at 35 USD a pop.... Your mistake was assuming that the CSM is a widespread popularity contest. Virtually no-one in Eve likes Goonswarm Federation, yet we consistently elect 2 candidates to the CSM. A CSM member who owes his spot to his confederates has little incentive to represent the player base as a whole. Don't like it? Vote next time.
Oh this is just too cute. If this is the fruits of the CSM's labour which is nothing but self posturing and positioning to bend CCP's ear then I have no interest. Period.
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Querns
GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2015.06.12 06:40:27 -
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Tara Read wrote: So you hate bombers. Gotcha. Jesus Christ that's a lot of words for "I hate being bombed!" And please stop trying to circlejerk yourself with these convoluted paragraphs of buzz words like "content" and "meta". It's beginning to sound like another propaganda Jim Jones cool aide fest that I have no intention of drinking.
If you have issues with bombers why not fix them? Why instead of screwing the pooch with everyone else CCP perhaps place warping or grid restrictions on bombers? Maybe make flying them more niche than making us all suffer for half baked fleet mechanics?
Oh of course. Instead of building a fire to keep the house warm CCP just sets the whole house on fire instead. Typical.
I mean, I'm not a game designer, nor do I work for CCP, so I don't actually fix things. I don't even have a backchannel, nor even reliable access to the ears of a CSM member (for all the good THAT does one.) I just post words in a forum.
Also, you're allowed to use terrible, nuance-destroying buzzwords like "content," but I can't use "meta?"
What you consider "half-baked" I consider "crutch."
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Kendarr
Zebra Corp The Bastion
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Posted - 2015.06.12 06:42:01 -
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Querns wrote:Kendarr wrote:Also if you want to nerf the speed of bombers bombing, why not just put a huge timers on the bomb launchers or reload time? like 10 mins or something. Bombers are too inexpensive for this to be viable. Use a bomber, then warp to a pos or a cloaked carrier to swap out your bomber for one lacking the reload/activation timer. fake edit: CCP GREYSCALE PLEASE ADD BOMB FATIGUE
+1 for BOMB FATIGUE
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Querns
GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2015.06.12 06:42:17 -
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Tara Read wrote: Oh this is just too cute. If this is the fruits of the CSM's labour which is nothing but self posturing and positioning to bend CCP's ear then I have no interest. Period.
It's less that and more "having a group of confederates who will vote for you in excess of the amount of votes garnered by the disenfranchised masses of Eve."
If you don't like the way this works, I strongly encourage you to actually vote next time, as I said before. Otherwise, you lose your purchase towards complaining about it. The CSM does not warp to your whims because you refuse to put forth even a token amount of effort towards changing it.
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Tara Read
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
828
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Posted - 2015.06.12 06:42:45 -
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Querns wrote:Tara Read wrote: So you hate bombers. Gotcha. Jesus Christ that's a lot of words for "I hate being bombed!" And please stop trying to circlejerk yourself with these convoluted paragraphs of buzz words like "content" and "meta". It's beginning to sound like another propaganda Jim Jones cool aide fest that I have no intention of drinking.
If you have issues with bombers why not fix them? Why instead of screwing the pooch with everyone else CCP perhaps place warping or grid restrictions on bombers? Maybe make flying them more niche than making us all suffer for half baked fleet mechanics?
Oh of course. Instead of building a fire to keep the house warm CCP just sets the whole house on fire instead. Typical.
I mean, I'm not a game designer, nor do I work for CCP, so I don't actually fix things. I don't even have a backchannel, nor even reliable access to the ears of a CSM member (for all the good THAT does one.) I just post words in a forum. Also, you're allowed to use terrible, nuance-destroying buzzwords like "content," but I can't use "meta?" What you consider "half-baked" I consider "crutch."
You are the one constantly coming back and trying to twist a Tolkien like description of the meaning meta to say you don't like bombing runs. It's utterly hilarious.
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Querns
GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2015.06.12 06:44:54 -
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Tara Read wrote: You are the one constantly coming back and trying to twist a Tolkien like description of the meaning meta to say you don't like bombing runs. It's utterly hilarious.
Nah. I just think that with bombers castrated, the major detriments to fielding shield tanked ships are gone. In the current era of Ishtars and Tengus, it's a breath of fresh air.
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Tara Read
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
829
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Posted - 2015.06.12 06:47:18 -
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Querns wrote:Tara Read wrote: Oh this is just too cute. If this is the fruits of the CSM's labour which is nothing but self posturing and positioning to bend CCP's ear then I have no interest. Period.
It's less that and more "having a group of confederates who will vote for you in excess of the amount of votes garnered by the disenfranchised masses of Eve." If you don't like the way this works, I strongly encourage you to actually vote next time, as I said before. Otherwise, you lose your purchase towards complaining about it. The CSM does not warp to your whims because you refuse to put forth even a token amount of effort towards changing it.
Token of effort? My dear friend and ignorant bloated bee you've gotten too fat on the sweet honey of complacency! If you'd only gone back a few years ago to the proosed gate mechanic changes and sentry proposals to low sec youd see ive been quite active and vocal in the past which resulted in those changes not happening.
It doesn't take a CSM vote to make things in New Eden change. Certainly not if it's just the same group of ankle biting pompous self indulged personalities that grace the likes of reddit and failheap. But hey. Typical mindset of the ignorant. If you don't vote for a candidate that doesn't hold your best interests in mind you have no right to complain.
Cute.
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Tara Read
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
829
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Posted - 2015.06.12 06:49:12 -
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Querns wrote:Tara Read wrote: You are the one constantly coming back and trying to twist a Tolkien like description of the meaning meta to say you don't like bombing runs. It's utterly hilarious.
Nah. I just think that with bombers castrated, the major detriments to fielding shield tanked ships are gone. In the current era of Ishtars and Tengus, it's a breath of fresh air.
So you want to fly an Ishtar. God I pity you so so much.
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Cypr3ss Deteis
Mind Games. Suddenly Spaceships.
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Posted - 2015.06.12 06:50:04 -
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CCP Larrikin wrote: The goal of these changes is to encourage more individual fleet member participation and reduce the speed at which fleets can get on top of targets (e.g bombers).
Maybe you're forgetting how things work here in Eve... but as a gentle reminder this is what is going to happen when you implement this change:
- FC brings another alt (cov-ops most likely) that he warps (cloaked) to the:
- Probe Results
- Bookmarks
- Any private deadspace item (missions, etc.)
- FC fleet warps squad to this alt, fleet F1s whatever is on grid with them.
It will in not, in any way, encourage more individual fleet member participation.
It will slow things down, so I guess 1 out of 2 ain't bad heh?
Really hope you reconsider this change.
Regards, Cypr3ss. |
Querns
GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2015.06.12 06:50:20 -
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Tara Read wrote:Querns wrote:Tara Read wrote: Oh this is just too cute. If this is the fruits of the CSM's labour which is nothing but self posturing and positioning to bend CCP's ear then I have no interest. Period.
It's less that and more "having a group of confederates who will vote for you in excess of the amount of votes garnered by the disenfranchised masses of Eve." If you don't like the way this works, I strongly encourage you to actually vote next time, as I said before. Otherwise, you lose your purchase towards complaining about it. The CSM does not warp to your whims because you refuse to put forth even a token amount of effort towards changing it. Token of effort? My dear friend and ignorant bloated bee you've gotten too fat on the sweet honey of complacency! If you'd only gone back a few years ago to the posed gate mechanic changes and sentry proposals to low sec youd see ive been quite active and vocal in the past which resulted in those changes not happening. It doesn't take a CSM vote to make things in New Eden change. Certainly not if it's just the same group of ankle biting pompous self indulged personalities that grace the likes of reddit and failheap. But hey. Typical mindset of the ignorant. If you don't vote for a candidate that doesn't hold your best interests in mind you have no right to complain. Cute. If it doesn't take a CSM vote to make things in New Eden change, then why complain in the first place?
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Querns
GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2015.06.12 06:51:18 -
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Tara Read wrote:Querns wrote:Tara Read wrote: You are the one constantly coming back and trying to twist a Tolkien like description of the meaning meta to say you don't like bombing runs. It's utterly hilarious.
Nah. I just think that with bombers castrated, the major detriments to fielding shield tanked ships are gone. In the current era of Ishtars and Tengus, it's a breath of fresh air. So you want to fly an Ishtar. God I pity you so so much. This is pretty far afield of anything I was actually talking about.
Also, I can fly an ishtar quite competently -- thanks for asking!
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Kendarr
Zebra Corp The Bastion
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Posted - 2015.06.12 06:52:41 -
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Cypr3ss Deteis wrote:
Really hope you reconsider this change.
Zebra-Corp
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Tara Read
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
829
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Posted - 2015.06.12 06:54:04 -
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Querns wrote:Tara Read wrote:Querns wrote:Tara Read wrote: Oh this is just too cute. If this is the fruits of the CSM's labour which is nothing but self posturing and positioning to bend CCP's ear then I have no interest. Period.
It's less that and more "having a group of confederates who will vote for you in excess of the amount of votes garnered by the disenfranchised masses of Eve." If you don't like the way this works, I strongly encourage you to actually vote next time, as I said before. Otherwise, you lose your purchase towards complaining about it. The CSM does not warp to your whims because you refuse to put forth even a token amount of effort towards changing it. Token of effort? My dear friend and ignorant bloated bee you've gotten too fat on the sweet honey of complacency! If you'd only gone back a few years ago to the posed gate mechanic changes and sentry proposals to low sec youd see ive been quite active and vocal in the past which resulted in those changes not happening. It doesn't take a CSM vote to make things in New Eden change. Certainly not if it's just the same group of ankle biting pompous self indulged personalities that grace the likes of reddit and failheap. But hey. Typical mindset of the ignorant. If you don't vote for a candidate that doesn't hold your best interests in mind you have no right to complain. Cute. If it doesn't take a CSM vote to make things in New Eden change, then why complain in the first place?
Because it's under the cheating of Bob and deva that the CSM was formed in the first place. A check and balance system. Now it's as selfish and twisted as anything else in Eve. Sure there's a handful of members who generally care. But there's those few sweet charitable personalities who are only in it for the agenda of their groups they ally with.
Not to hold CCP in check but to bend CCP to the changes THEY want. Case in point. These changes are clearly a vieled nerf to bombers and is just another account for someone to need to run.
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Tara Read
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
829
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Posted - 2015.06.12 06:56:23 -
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Querns wrote:Tara Read wrote:Querns wrote:Tara Read wrote: You are the one constantly coming back and trying to twist a Tolkien like description of the meaning meta to say you don't like bombing runs. It's utterly hilarious.
Nah. I just think that with bombers castrated, the major detriments to fielding shield tanked ships are gone. In the current era of Ishtars and Tengus, it's a breath of fresh air. So you want to fly an Ishtar. God I pity you so so much. This is pretty far afield of anything I was actually talking about. Also, I can fly an ishtar quite competently -- thanks for asking!
You complain about adapting and "skill", insult my skill as an Eve player, yet boast about flying an ishtar well. I think I wet myself just now laughing.
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Ryno Caval
House of Praetor Fidelas Constans
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Posted - 2015.06.12 06:56:35 -
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I dunno about all this I'm just gonna roll with the punches on this one |
Tara Read
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
833
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Posted - 2015.06.12 06:57:34 -
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Ryno Caval wrote:So obviously my previous post was poking fun at everyone complaining. This is just going to be one of those things where everyone is gonna complain, its going to happen anyways. So rather than complain about it start practicing not relying on fleet warps. I mean it is really not an elegant solution or all that complicated. Most of the complaints I hear are totally fixable by just adapting. It'll be nice to actually have use for tactics and in fleets for everyone to be accountable for their own movements to strategic locations. I see a lot of stragglers or overly cocky players being killed in fire and not being able to blame the FC anymore. Yeah it's going to suck losing perches and other fun strategies that are incorporated now but I think this will allow for some interesting gameplay changes. I don't know if will be good, I don't know if it will be bad. All I know is all you can do is adapt and have fun with it. I honestly am excited to see what new methods of fighting people will have. Who knows maybe the days of endlessly cat and mouse PVP will end and there will be some actual brawling for a change. As far as the WH issues here is an idea if you scan something down pay attention to the star map tell your fleet to go to the nearest celestial and they will be on grid much faster same thing goes for bookmarks and other things like that. Maybe you take a couple of hits but if you are scanning SIGs in a WH you should have enough tank to last at least a few seconds and your fleet should have LOGI. As far as the insta-dock, if you are in a capital in a system you undocked in (cynos should always be lit at the insta-dock), you don't know to have an insta-dock, and you don't self warp you are a moron. Lastly, they learning curve may be steep but that is why there are different types of space, the game doesn't start you out in null-sec in a corporation that is part of an alliance that is part of a coalition that expects you to know what you are doing and have experience. You start in Empire space for a reason. There is a buffer between experienced players and new players obviously at times that buffer is broken and the new players learn rough lessons. The fun of EVE is learning the ins and outs and adapting to the changing dynamic.
Good god man its called a paragraph.
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Manfred Sideous
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2015.06.12 06:58:14 -
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Tara Read wrote:Manfred Sideous wrote:Budrick3 wrote:
Poor attempt at saving face.
Rule of all holes, stop digging when you are in one.
Your embarrassing your alliance, the people that put faith in voting for you, and most of all, your embarrassing yourself.
Does this mean I am not gonna win a popularity contest ? Aww shucks im gutted really. Weren't you elected to instill positive changes for a majority of the Eve Community? Or am I just being fickle thinking the CSM is supposed to do that.... I mean honestly. Didn't you guys take into consideration the myriad of problems this creates for people? Even if the intentions were good, the execution is utterly terrible. I mean really terrible. Can't you guys come up with something better than this? I mean besides terrible icons and super skins for only half the titans at 35 USD a pop....
I mean we can suggest things and give feedback however at the end of the day its CCP who decides what goes in and what doesn't. With that said I wanted to see combat probing and bombers nerfed. This change accomplishes both. Is it exact optimum ? Thats subjective I have gotten lots of positive feedback and likes for my post in regards to the subject. However as normal it is usually those that are dissatisfied with a issue that are usually most vocal. Unfortunately with constraints of NDA sometimes its hard for CSM to explain positions clearly. Perhaps you don't feel this is a positive change but others do. I can remember a vocal portion of the community unhappy when the AOE doomsday was removed or when Jump Fatigue was added. I have to say I feel for CCP it is nigh impossible to please everyone all at the same time.
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Querns
GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2015.06.12 07:00:17 -
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Tara Read wrote:Because it's under the cheating of Bob and deva that the CSM was formed in the first place. A check and balance system. Now it's as selfish and twisted as anything else in Eve. Sure there's a handful of members who generally care. But there's those few sweet charitable personalities who are only in it for the agenda of their groups they ally with.
Not to hold CCP in check but to bend CCP to the changes THEY want. Case in point. These changes are clearly a vieled nerf to bombers and is just another account for someone to need to run. As an aside, I love the utter helplessness betrayed by this post. The ability to influence the CSM's composition is in the hands of every individual, yet you are pre-abandoning the idea completely in lieu of posting tinfoil-coated nonsense. I'd find it sad if it wasn't so hilarious.
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HiddenPorpoise
Expendable Miscreants
357
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Posted - 2015.06.12 07:01:12 -
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If we want to take this to its core, I don't actually understand how this is hard on bombers. They have all the time they want or need. Most bombing targets are near a warpable point and everytime I've been in a cloaky fleet all closing in warps were manual anyway. |
Tara Read
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
833
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Posted - 2015.06.12 07:03:45 -
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Manfred Sideous wrote:Tara Read wrote:Manfred Sideous wrote:Budrick3 wrote:
Poor attempt at saving face.
Rule of all holes, stop digging when you are in one.
Your embarrassing your alliance, the people that put faith in voting for you, and most of all, your embarrassing yourself.
Does this mean I am not gonna win a popularity contest ? Aww shucks im gutted really. Weren't you elected to instill positive changes for a majority of the Eve Community? Or am I just being fickle thinking the CSM is supposed to do that.... I mean honestly. Didn't you guys take into consideration the myriad of problems this creates for people? Even if the intentions were good, the execution is utterly terrible. I mean really terrible. Can't you guys come up with something better than this? I mean besides terrible icons and super skins for only half the titans at 35 USD a pop.... I mean we can suggest things and give feedback however at the end of the day its CCP who decides what goes in and what doesn't. With that said I wanted to see combat probing and bombers nerfed. This change accomplishes both. Is it exact optimum ? Thats subjective I have gotten lots of positive feedback and likes for my post in regards to the subject. However as normal it is usually those that are dissatisfied with a issue that are usually most vocal. Unfortunately with constraints of NDA sometimes its hard for CSM to explain positions clearly. Perhaps you don't feel this is a positive change but others do. I can remember a vocal portion of the community unhappy when the AOE doomsday was removed or when Jump Fatigue was added. I have to say I feel for CCP it is nigh impossible to please everyone all at the same time.
Phoebe was a necessity mainly due to the power projection your group had as a Super dominant force as well as others. But I digress. These changes are like cutting off ones foot to deal with trimming toe nails. Why not just deal with bombers directly? Why make the rest of us suffer with these changes? These are utterly rediculous in means and context.
All you are doing is placing more weight upon FC's and making people create more alts for nothing of benefit. I suggest you go to CCP and scrap this whole ordeal. If you want to nerf bombers deal with the platform directly. Not break an unbroken mechanic that already suffers from grid and placement issues.
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Tara Read
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
833
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Posted - 2015.06.12 07:04:44 -
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Querns wrote:Tara Read wrote:Because it's under the cheating of Bob and deva that the CSM was formed in the first place. A check and balance system. Now it's as selfish and twisted as anything else in Eve. Sure there's a handful of members who generally care. But there's those few sweet charitable personalities who are only in it for the agenda of their groups they ally with.
Not to hold CCP in check but to bend CCP to the changes THEY want. Case in point. These changes are clearly a vieled nerf to bombers and is just another account for someone to need to run. As an aside, I love the utter helplessness betrayed by this post. The ability to influence the CSM's composition is in the hands of every individual, yet you are pre-abandoning the idea completely in lieu of posting tinfoil-coated nonsense. I'd find it sad if it wasn't so hilarious.
You know jet fuel can't melt steel beams right?
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Querns
GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation
1691
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Posted - 2015.06.12 07:05:32 -
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Tara Read wrote:Querns wrote:Tara Read wrote:Querns wrote:Tara Read wrote: You are the one constantly coming back and trying to twist a Tolkien like description of the meaning meta to say you don't like bombing runs. It's utterly hilarious.
Nah. I just think that with bombers castrated, the major detriments to fielding shield tanked ships are gone. In the current era of Ishtars and Tengus, it's a breath of fresh air. So you want to fly an Ishtar. God I pity you so so much. This is pretty far afield of anything I was actually talking about. Also, I can fly an ishtar quite competently -- thanks for asking! You complain about adapting and "skill", insult my skill as an Eve player, yet boast about flying an ishtar well. I think I wet myself just now laughing. Again, quite outside anything I was talking about, but, fine, I'll indulge the tangent a bit.
I've never actually undocked in an ishtar! Check my killboard if you don't believe me. For whatever dumb reason, I happen to have Gallente Cruiser, Heavy Assault Ships, and Sentry Drone Operation all at rank five, so if I was so inclined, I feel like I'd operate the ship quite well. Haven't had a reason to do so, however -- Goonswarm Federation, in general, doesn't fly them outside of SIGs.
e: In PVP, anyways -- ishtars are very common PVE ships in Deklein.
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Miner Hottie
Haywire.
140
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Posted - 2015.06.12 07:05:42 -
[480] - Quote
Manfred Sideous wrote:Tara Read wrote:Manfred Sideous wrote:Budrick3 wrote:
Poor attempt at saving face.
Rule of all holes, stop digging when you are in one.
Your embarrassing your alliance, the people that put faith in voting for you, and most of all, your embarrassing yourself.
Does this mean I am not gonna win a popularity contest ? Aww shucks im gutted really. Weren't you elected to instill positive changes for a majority of the Eve Community? Or am I just being fickle thinking the CSM is supposed to do that.... I mean honestly. Didn't you guys take into consideration the myriad of problems this creates for people? Even if the intentions were good, the execution is utterly terrible. I mean really terrible. Can't you guys come up with something better than this? I mean besides terrible icons and super skins for only half the titans at 35 USD a pop.... I mean we can suggest things and give feedback however at the end of the day its CCP who decides what goes in and what doesn't. With that said I wanted to see combat probing and bombers nerfed. This change accomplishes both. Is it exact optimum ? Thats subjective I have gotten lots of positive feedback and likes for my post in regards to the subject. However as normal it is usually those that are dissatisfied with a issue that are usually most vocal. Unfortunately with constraints of NDA sometimes its hard for CSM to explain positions clearly. Perhaps you don't feel this is a positive change but others do. I can remember a vocal portion of the community unhappy when the AOE doomsday was removed or when Jump Fatigue was added. I have to say I feel for CCP it is nigh impossible to please everyone all at the same time.
Only in eve is it the working logic that if X and Y things are a problem then nerfing the **** out of related item 1 is the solution. What's that? No the consequences to items 2, 3, 4 & 5 are totally intended despite the gamebreaking nature of their loss.
Might I suggest CSM rep if the problem is bombers and combat probes that you adovacte they be fixed and not a normal functiom like fleet warps.
It's all about how hot my mining lasers get.
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