Honnestly CCP?!


this change will really suck! only big alys / corps will have enought "scout chars" to have warpins.

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This affects a lot of people. If you go ahead with this change please enable people that would normally warp the Fleet/wing/squad to warp to a broadcasted place in space e.g. bookmark/probe result. Thereby allowing the fleet to warp to these places. Sounds like a good compromise, I hope.

I support this. Warping to something as a fleet is important. Taking away the fleet warp option from the FC and shifting it to the Fleet members is a good thing IMO, but I cant support taking away to ability of a fleet to move to a bookmark or signature without having a fleet member allready on grid.

Broadcasting bookmark or signature destinations to fleet members should be enabled to keep the current mobility of a fleet but get the responsibility for movement back to the fleet members and away from the FC.

News flash to CCP: real people who play the game are the most precious asset in this game.

Your changes, however, make the game increasingly tedious and obnoxious to play, which drives away the real people.

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You have a very narrow idea of what is fun in Eve - not everyone enjoys your pseudo-solo/small gang elitist PVP mentality. Most people just want to log in and have fun playing Eve with their friends. Make Eve easy to play - not another chore. The challenge should come from the other players, not from the interface or silly restrictions.

News flash to CCP: real people who play the game are the most precious asset in this game.

Your changes, however, make the game increasingly tedious and obnoxious to play, which drives away the real people.

There is no FC on the cluster who would rather have another alt in fleet than a real person. I already delegate every possible task to my corp mates that I possibly can - the ones I keep for myself are the ones that I cannot delegate to someone who only has one account and will have no fun filling that role.

Come up with some truly rewarding roles for people in fleets. As it is, you keep multiplying the number of thankless roles that are best done on an alt - because your business strategy seems to be to squeeze as much out of the existing humans as possible.

At the same time, you consistently nerf the ability for one player to control multiple ships doing the same task (a way of reducing the tedium of running the same stale sites, anomalies, and missions over and over again).

Small gang FC's already rely heavily on bookmarks and probers. It is already hard enough to nail down some elite PVP nano/kite fleet with off-grid boosters. Now you are making it even harder to get a decent warp-in on top of them and their OGB. You are making it harder to avoid their drag bubbles as they run away because they couldn't get any kills against your counter fleet.

You are encouraging players to rely more and more on individual bookmarks. Don't those create some issues for the hamsters? When every player in the alliance needs to have all the pings on every celestial bookmarked at all times, so they can warp themselves to the right point and avoid a drag bubble as they run from a larger gang, that's going to add up.

Additionally, in place of warping a gang to bookmarks, I'll be fleet warping them at range to a cloaked alt. It will just be more tedious. I'm perfectly happy to ask a new player to be the +1 or +2 scout. They get some experience and fun out of it (unless space is totally empty, as it all too often seems to be). Asking him to warp to his bookmark 200 off the gate, so I can warp the fleet to him is not a rewarding role for anyone. I'm not maintaining multiple accounts so I can have another alt sitting off the gate where I know I will need a ping - I maintain multiple accounts so I can get through the grind part of Eve faster and get back to leading small groups in search of content.

In the past I described Eve as "white-knuckled, trembling hands, exciting." I'd literally sweat during a fight. Now the words I would use are "tedious, a chore, like a second job." The only reason I still play or stay at all engaged with Eve is because I feel I owe it to my friends to keep logging in and participating. My masochism is steadily wearing thin. Playing Eve should not be an unpleasant or boring experience, yet that is what you have been doing over the course of the past year. I accepted jump fatigue because it promised good things - it was bitter medicine that might save Eve. Now we have fatigue, entosis, and this nonsense.

You have a very narrow idea of what is fun in Eve - not everyone enjoys your pseudo-solo/small gang elitist PVP mentality. Most people just want to log in and have fun playing Eve with their friends. Make Eve easy to play - not another chore. The challenge should come from the other players, not from the interface or silly restrictions.

Just put a guy on a WH for a warp in, is that really hard to do???

Hi Gentle Space Foke,


Q: CCP, why you do this?
A: We want transfer more responsibility for the success of a fleet from its FC to its members.

This is a big hit to smaller fleets. Now we need to sacrifice a alt/player just to wrap as a group? WTF? why not just make warp speed random and don't let anything land as a planed out fleet comp?

Also this won't affect bomber waves. We never used fleet warps to do them in the first place. But where are all these mass bomber waves? They don't show up on killboards or something? cus i just don't see them.

That is not true, 99% of small groups will do just fine with the scouts. And that 1% will adapt pretty quickly because the entry level for that role is very small.

the ignorance..wow

whilst i agree with the changes in general, just the simple fact that smaller corps in WH Space can't have alt-scouts at every WH in the chain they are using, makes me wonder if CCP really thought this through. For bigger corps this won't change to much in the way of handling their day to day routine, but when it comes to small corps or multi-corp fleets this is a major pain

I agree with the statements above, that we need other options to warp to wormholes as a fleet or at least broadcast a bookmark so that every member of the fleet can warp himself. I really hope that the thing Larkin mentioned they are working on, adresses this issue...the way i see things right now, this might help larger w-space corps/alliances and hurt the smaller ones

So you want to take away responsibilities of the FLEET COMMANDER to give more to members.....FLEET COMMANDER to me implies he leads the fleet. FFS

WTF are you doing CCP? All these stupid changes you have been making are really pissing people off. Where are the damn fixes we've been asking about for years? Corp management, thousand cuts, all that? Last time you stopped listening to your customers, you had to issue a public apology to keep the game alive. Don't think you can just do that every couple years, go off on a tangent for a year, apologize, slowly stop listening, another tangent a year later, apologize, etc. Stupid, absolutely stupid.

Back on the issue at hand, so the fleet commander can't warp the fleet he commands to their POS? Are you kidding me?

WAKE UP CCP! You guys are making some really stupid decisions lately.

Maybe your aspirations in EvE to command a large fleet are a bit more than you can handle then?

Do you really have 100 friends in a fleet or they are just boots following you around with aligns and F1's? I mean if you have that many friends statistically at least one should be more then happy to fly around in a cloaky ship and give warp ins.

Recruit people who enjoy setting up warp ins?

"I'm perfectly happy to ask a new player to be the +1 or +2 scout. They get some experience and fun out of it (unless space is totally empty, as it all too often seems to be)."

Ever wonder why space is totally empty? Having the tools to synchronize movement of a large fleet with a handful of pilots is probably one of the reasons.

Read a book?

I am confused, why would a small corp need an alt on every wh in the chain? If they are at the wh they can bm it and have the warp in? If there is another corp in the alliance they can scan it or fleet up and warp to person who does have the Bm? Or share BM with making copies?

you mainly don't see the bombers that much anymore because the doctrines of 0.0 have shifted to adapt to the danger of bombers - but this limits what can be fielded at all

I am confused, why would a small corp need an alt on every wh in the chain? If they are at the wh they can bm it and have the warp in? If there is another corp in the alliance they can scan it or fleet up and warp to person who does have the Bm? Or share BM with making copies?

When BALEX as a corp roams (10-15 ppl) max we always have min 5 alts in the fleet, be it links, or probers/scouts. We move around lowsec trough WH a lot. When we move around we always use scout warp ins, so where is the problem?

Name one situation where scouts can't handle it.

Well..sharing bookmarks would work if they would update in time and not 5 minutes later

Tackling a nullbear before they leave their site.

Fleet warps work to anoms.