CCP I love you. This change is so elegant, and wonderful at fixing so many problems. As a small gang pilot, and PvPer I could not be happier! Its going to be so much more interesting now fighting a blob that no longer has the ability to drop all of their ships on me (at zero) over and over again.

Thank you for bringing piloting, actual skill and situational awareness back into the game.

For those of you that are complaining, I only have this to say: Spend less time whining on the forums, and perhaps learn how to actually PvP and fly your ships?


These changes (Along with the HML and BC stuff) made my entire week.

Made props CCP- its incredible. I am so excited for this, along with fozzie sov!

Dammit, it would have taken them 4 more days to figure that out....thanks for screwing it up for everyone :)

The booster would be on the outside of the POS shield though, so it would be kindof dangerous to warp your no-propmod mining ships there.
Unless your POS has teeth that is, in which case it's less dangerous but still a risk.

Mining boosts can be (and are) run from inside POSes. Rorquals and Orcas don't sit outside the POS shields to boost.

Orca or Rorqual can boost IN the shields

So you will now implement automatic bookmarking at a corporation and alliance level yes? Or is this just another way to **** up wormholers now. Since WE WILL have to wait for the bookmarks to propagate (up to 5-10 mins) unless we have to have a scout at the exact warp in at every single fight.

Example if you have a group consisting of more than just 1 corp.

Group A wants to fight Group B
Group A consists of multiple corps
Currently Group A can fleet warp onto the enemy fleet or wormhole without everyone involved having a propagated bookmark.
However after this change if the group does not have the bookmark then they have no way of getting into the fight at the same time as the rest of the fleet. So all fights will be delayed until everyone has the bookmarks <10 mins.

Good job CCP...

From what I have heard boosts, inc mining, will soon be on-grid, no?

******* that...

Take some Responsibility for your PVP/Fleet gameplay. Get better at the game or explode. You can no longer rely on a single FC to warp you everywhere, to hand hold you to every F1 opportunity.

Pay Attention, and be better at Eve.

So you will now implement automatic bookmarking at a corporation and alliance level yes? Or is this just another way to **** up wormholers now. Since WE WILL have to wait for the bookmarks to propagate (up to 5-10 mins) unless we have to have a scout at the exact warp in at every single fight.

Example if you have a group consisting of more than just 1 corp.

Group A wants to fight Group B
Group A consists of multiple corps
Currently Group A can fleet warp onto the enemy fleet or wormhole without everyone involved having a propagated bookmark.
However after this change if the group does not have the bookmark then they have no way of getting into the fight at the same time as the rest of the fleet. So all fights will be delayed until everyone has the bookmarks <10 mins.

Good job CCP...

This is a terrible idea, you want a fleet to all land at once on a wormhole with different warp speeds, thats no longer possible.
0/10

literally kill yourselves for thinking this is a good idea

Anoms are the green sites you can warp to without scanning down. We should still be able to fleet warp to those

Probing and tackling are already important roles in any fleet; what this change actually does is gets rid of the notion of a prober as a stand-alone role. The prober must also be a tackler, with all the risk that entails.

2. My second concern is about a very particular, but rather common, scenario: trying to catch cloaky, nullified, nearly-unscannable off-grid T3 links ships. In some configurations these can perma-AB at over 1km/s, aligned out to another safespot. The current best practice is to get a prober with perfect skills, a bonused ship, and virtue probes and have him warp a squad of fast tackle (T1 frigates/interceptors or specialized tackle bombers) on top of the boosting ship, hoping that one of them will be able to catch him before he reacts and warps away.

Catching these ships is already extremely difficult, and will be nearly impossible under the proposed changes. No bonused scanning ship will be able to tackle them, as they have at a minimum 5s lock delay after decloaking. No unbonused ship will be able to scan them down. In the time it takes for the prober to warp to the target and then have the tackle squad warp to him the 1km/s probing ship will be out of range.

I have interests on both sides of this scenario, having hunted PL off-grid boosters with my perfect scanning alt during the recent Catch wars and with two of my own perfect combat boosting alts. I guess I won't mind having my boosting alts be effectively invulnerable for a while, but it does seem like poor balance.

So, to run sites (in w-space) we can't easily warp there all together anymore. Everyone will need the bookmarks or have to wait for one player to have landed. Alliance bookmarks would only make that slightly less of an issue.

That's just one example of how people will become unnecessarily more vulnarable, or things taking more time.

Concern about this is WH space.

We don't have gates we can warp to and have to rely on the Bookmarks of the wormhole.

Edit: What I mean is if we have non-corp members that we are trying to move through a chain to a target, it will slow the entire fleet by 100% since a fleet member will have to warp ahead and then the entire fleet will have to warp to that fleet member.

Well, to compensate for individual responsibility for warping (in Stealth Bombers) maybe we can change back to a 10 second flight time for the actual bombs? The change makes the setup for launch more challenging. But the end game of the bomb launch shouldn't also suffer. Back to 10 seconds, please.

Much moaning, most of it not justified, lacking real criticism, and can be solved by using a cloaky scanner alt as the warpin.


This should make fights more interesting and emphasis fleet members controlling more of their own actions or risk being caught out. Looking forward to it.

+1

I can no longer warp my entire fleet to the hole and expect them to land in a cohesive group, first my T3's land and get primaried then a minute later my Bhaals land and then 2 minutes later my triage lands by that time we are all dead. And that's assuming all of us have the BM which can take quite a long time to happen. CCP i am adamantly against this change. Please reconsider.

Probing and tackling are already important roles in any fleet; what this change actually does is gets rid of the notion of a prober as a stand-alone role. The prober must also be a tackler, with all the risk that entails.

You'll still be able to use them, but this will slow the speed at which they usually hit their targets. We consider that a very good outcome.

This should make fights more interesting and emphasis fleet members controlling more of their own actions or risk being caught out. Looking forward to it.