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Ab Tallen The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc. Brutally Clever Empire	Posted - 2007.02.10 12:25:00 - [1351] Originally by: Sanka Cofie WHY ARE DEV'S ALLOWED IN TO PLAYER CORPS? Actually, I think that's a good decision for the game. There's really no other way to see how players work with the game mechanics, and much more so in an environment that puts more and more emphasis on large-scale cooperation. Can't experience it without immersion in the player world. At the same time it's prone to the problems we currently see. Dev characters in the leadership of an alliance are somewhat comparable to undercover agents, and need to be similarly tightly controlled. The less involvement on that level, the better. Also, there really needs to be a way for players to file petitions directly to the internal affairs division, without going through the usual GM hierarchy. And people in charge of those internal controls should really not play the game, so that they are not influenced or bound by in-game relationships.
EscapeArtist Caldari Xenotech Federation and Industries	Posted - 2007.02.10 12:28:00 - [1352] Jesus, you fire people that have done something silly in game? FFS that's a little over the top... Its a f'ing game, not passing secret plans to the Russian, reading 'The Comments' dev blog, I'm a little put out a CEO can take such an attitude to these things.... HE BASICLY SAYS: I would have fired him... I was ready to consider it done and over after the first post regarding the apology, but after that Hellmar one... seems to be someone wrote it in anger, it's bull****. People need to remember EVE's place, and while I am sure everyone at CCP are heavily invested, they have created all this controversy themselves. ------ I am Legend
Niaski Zalani Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.02.10 12:32:00 - [1353] Originally by: Sinlare Originally by: KiLLaH KLoWN I see the BoB alts are filtering in finally Yes, people that can actually reason must be bob alts. I wonder how many of you will go to the fanfest and have the balls to actually stand up to the developers, instead of pretending to be all that behind your computerscreen. Funny how you seem to only come out when the BoB alts come out... snipped signature for discussing moderation - Karass Sayfo
Christopher Scott Caldari Vengeance of the Fallen Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.10 12:33:00 - [1354] Originally by: Maya Rkell He went public. That isn't fully cooperating. So what if he did? Do you know what the definition of a whistleblower is? I guess you are the kind of person that would let Nixon off the hook and send the "Deepthroat" informant to the gas chamber. Quote: He is a self-admitedly and reasonably well known hacker. Being a hacker is not against the EULA, because there are many legitimate hackers in the buisness word. We call them, oh what's the word... security consultants. Besides, he didn't 'hack' anything, he posted an SQL dump of their forums which he recieved from an informant. That is not 'hacking' unless you like to ride the BoB bandwagon. Quote: At least some of the logs he has "provided" are faked. BoB and their bandwagon called ALL of the logs faked, but now it has been majorly proven that they are true. Not one log has been proven false. This is a lie that you BoB loyalists bought into. Proof or STFU. Quote: His site infected some people with a trojan. You are just another simpleton that bought into this lie, back when BoB's PR machine was trying to do damage control. Proof or STFU. Seriously, give me a case example. I've only seen PR whipped up by BoB and CCP, which is such a joke considering the website in question has been slashdotted twice, has been posted on numerous other gaming sites, and nobody else outside of EVE has posted any kind of viral threat. Quote: How dirty are YOUR hands, Christopher Scott, that you defend a hacker, a criminal? Yet another mislead, bull** statement from a bull BoB loyalist. I will enjoy watching you burn with the rest of them. Originally by:** DB Preacher I may be a muppet on these forums and wind peeps up massively but what is going on here is waaaaay over the edge of reasonable morality.
slothe Caldari Forsaken Empire The Forsaken Empire	Posted - 2007.02.10 12:34:00 - [1355] didnt the gm who spawned an ultra raven setup and got found out get sacked? i dont understand the difference. *Before complaining about any ship try flying Minmatar*
pumkinlumpkin	Posted - 2007.02.10 12:35:00 - [1356] Originally by: slothe personally i think everyone thats been killed by bob using the ammo or sabres should petition their losses. And Mods!!... LoL WTH!! sorry about that... I was sniffing too much paint
Irrilian Quetzalcoatl Inc	Posted - 2007.02.10 12:36:00 - [1357] If I petition another player how can I trust that my petition is handled fairly, that the person answering the petition isn't a corp mate of the person I'm petitioning? If I post on the forums, debating with another player over some hot topic, how can I trust that the forum mods will view all posts with professional objectivity, that whomever is moderating isn't doing so with their own agenda in mind? If I take part in an event, risking my ship for some rp cause, how can I trust that the event isn't rigged, that it hasn't been leaked to some other group whom have prepped for it? If I want to try out some new content after an expansion how can I trust that I'm on a level playing field with all the other players, that other players haven't been primed on how to take advantage of that content as soon as it goes live? What measures are CCP putting in place to answer these questions, to ensure that not only is the game fair, but clearly seen to be fair? - - - PIs and Forensic Accountants: adding risk vs reward for scams and thievery
implanted Caldari Reunited O X I D E	Posted - 2007.02.10 12:36:00 - [1358] Tbh the whole sorry episode is lame.BOB are powerfull enough without being given the I WIN button. Not Happy to see cheats in the game. I always wondered how bob got so big,now i know.
KiLLaH KLoWN	Posted - 2007.02.10 12:36:00 - [1359] Originally by: Eron Lygera Tell me, what action would you like to see from CCP? (in your own words please). So what are you prompting me to prove that I have formulated and opinion? Sure, here goes, 1) T20: You sorry pimple on the ass of progress you may never play a character in Eve again. You may keep your job, but you may never enter the Eve universe under a recreational capacity again. 2) BPO's be re-seeded in T2 lottery (stated as intended to be done) 3) Either Kug gets his account re-instated or Sir Molle loses his. Don't care about corps or alliances they belong to but equal oppurtunity EULA totally. 4) A universal and OBVIOUS apology on Eve-online.com FRONT PAGE. C'Mon choke down your pride. 5) a game where the DEVs won't cheat! Anything you disagree with?
Highlander Amarr Black Eclipse Corp	Posted - 2007.02.10 12:38:00 - [1360] Originally by: slothe personally i think everyone thats been killed by bob using the ammo or sabres should petition their losses. really... but that is the point I made before, HOW do you or CCP know which sabres and ammo were from the BPO? I bought 5 sabre and ton of ammo in Empire off market. If I shoot you should you get your ship back because I am Bob and fly a sabre? If so, then that in effect makes it not fair to me as I did not cheat or used a 'dodgy' sabre. This is a problem to big to be solved with simple rushed ideas like that which only make as many problems as they cause. In fact can that side of things be done fairly at all? The main thing is to make sure it can NEVER happen again ans so we all get our faith back in Eve and CCP.

Severian Maura	Posted - 2007.02.10 12:38:00 - [1361] Originally by: slothe personally i think everyone thats been killed by bob using the ammo or sabres should petition their losses. In order for that to happen CCP is going to think there is something wrong with what happened and punish someone besides the person who brought this to light. But seeing as this is strike 2 for BOB and CCP working together expect nothing to happen
Dionisius Gallente SpearMint Rhino GentleMen's Club	Posted - 2007.02.10 12:39:00 - [1362] Edited by: Dionisius on 10/02/2007 12:40:54 Originally by: Eron Lygera Tell me, what action would you like to see from CCP? (in your own words please). *ooopsie, misread the above text. _______________________ What we have here is total lack of respect for the law...
Beli Mawr Omni-Core Freedom Fighters	Posted - 2007.02.10 12:39:00 - [1363] Edited by: Beli Mawr on 10/02/2007 12:40:32 I think its obvious from the massive reaction here that the majority of the community are unhappy with CCP's solution to the problem. It appears to the community that a member of the GM team has got off with nothing more than a slap on the wrist after commiting what amounts to theft from the entire community. One cannot just discount this as a few BPO's being spawned and used in an 'illegal' manner. However worthless those BPO's they will have had an impact on other area's of the game, resources will have been used to create items, money will have been paid, items will have been lost or taken in combat involving the items generated. The balance of the game will have been tipped. In my opinion there needs to be a serious review of the GM system and stronger rules governing them put into place. The fact that this appears to have happend over 6 months ago and the community is only just finding out about it is concerning to say the least. At the time I assume CCP thought releasing this information could have only harmed the reputation of the game. I feel the opposite. An announcement that a cheat had been found amongst the Dev team and that he/she had been punished by being removed from the Dev team would have been applauded by the Eve community and the current situation avoided entirely. T20's actions have brought the companies name into disrepute, he/she should be handed their notice and escorted off the premises. If I break the rules at work I'd expect the same treatment...thats why I dont. As to the multitude of people calling for BoB to be punished. I cannot for a single minute believe that someone within BoB did not know what was going on here. BoB are far to well organised for someone to have not known. However, I would ask people to stop and think for a minute instead of hitting the "RANT" button. Is punishing an entire alliance a viable option when 99.99% of BoB's pilots had no knowledge of these events until the whole sorry story became public domain? Admittedly BoB have benifited from this but I seriously doubt that BoB's soldiers knew what was going on. Unfortunatly I also have to agree with the people calling for SirMolle to be banned. On the rare occassions I have come across him in the past 2 years he has always seemed to be a decent chap and I truely believe that he and BoB have made the game of Eve more enjoyable. However, by posting a persons real life details he has over-stepped the mark. This can still be fixed CCP. You need to look at whats being said by the people who pay your wages and realise that brushing this under the carpet in the usual manner is not the solution. You seriously need to address the current issue and disclose everything that has occured before anything else is "discovered" and then look at how you can stop this happening ever again. Whether this means stopping Dev's from joining 0.0 alliances or putting stricter rules in place to govern them and what they do on a daily basis something must be seen to be done by the paying public or the reputation of the game and company that makes it will suffer even more. None of us want to see Eve implode so get it sorted.
Sinlare Gallente Sinlare Auditorium	Posted - 2007.02.10 12:41:00 - [1364] Originally by: Niaski Zalani Originally by: Sinlare Originally by: KiLLaH KLoWN I see the BoB alts are filtering in finally Yes, people that can actually reason must be bob alts. I wonder how many of you will go to the fanfest and have the balls to actually stand up to the developers, instead of pretending to be all that behind your computerscreen. Funny how you seem to only come out when the BoB alts come out... Funny how you only come out to defend a hacker. Maby i post when i have the time?
pershphanie Generals Of Destruction Syndicate	Posted - 2007.02.10 12:43:00 - [1365] Originally by: nickky01 so...your telling me... over a year ago, sitting in 9CG, listening to xirtamvolf rant and rave on teamspeak about how bob uses devs to cheat... he was right?? /me goes to build a snowman in hell My thoughts exactly. Unbelievable. I feel so dirty. I stopped going over to the votf TS because I thought they were being paranoid nut jobs. I'm amazed. I was so sure that all these rumors were BS. Now I'm just wondering to what extent they are true. I don't believe for a second that they got busted for everything they did. If they got caught for this that means there is probably another 100 things they got away with. Xirtam & VOTF: I apologize. You guys were right. I was wrong. WTB - tin foil hat bpo
Eron Lygera Gallente Sharded Awareness	Posted - 2007.02.10 12:45:00 - [1366] Originally by: KiLLaH KLoWN Originally by: Eron Lygera Tell me, what action would you like to see from CCP? (in your own words please). So what are you prompting me to prove that I have formulated and opinion? Sure, here goes, 1) T20: You sorry pimple on the ass of progress you may never play a character in Eve again. You may keep your job, but you may never enter the Eve universe under a recreational capacity again. 2) BPO's be re-seeded in T2 lottery (stated as intended to be done) 3) Either Kug gets his account re-instated or Sir Molle loses his. Don't care about corps or alliances they belong to but equal oppurtunity EULA totally. 4) A universal and OBVIOUS apology on Eve-online.com FRONT PAGE. C'Mon choke down your pride. 5) a game where the DEVs won't cheat! Anything you disagree with? Yes... most of it basically. 1) you cannot develop a game you cannont play. As in, you cannot make a wine you cannot taste yourself. 2) Here we agree, they should just be reseeded. Fine. 3) So because Molle could have known he was a dev he should be removed? And even if he knew, why do you automatically assume that they conspired to abuse it? (because you would have?) And then you want Kug reinstated although he did things that was wrong as well? (the end does not justify the means)Also, are you completely sure that the information kugusument provided was 110% accurate. That he didnt alter a line here and there, and that he didnt exclude things that would imply that other players innocense - because he clearly didnt like bob. I could know of a dev character in eve. So could you. Should we be banned? Ps. Dont nerf WCS!
Admiral Feelgood Even-Flow Bad Company.	Posted - 2007.02.10 12:49:00 - [1367] Originally by: slothe personally i think everyone thats been killed by bob using the ammo or sabres should petition their losses. Personally I think you're wrong.
Fulber	Posted - 2007.02.10 12:50:00 - [1368] Originally by: Irrilian If I petition another player how can I trust that my petition is handled fairly, that the person answering the petition isn't a corp mate of the person I'm petitioning? You can't. Quote: If I post on the forums, debating with another player over some hot topic, how can I trust that the forum mods will view all posts with professional objectivity, that whomever is moderating isn't doing so with their own agenda in mind? You can't. Quote: If I take part in an event, risking my ship for some rp cause, how can I trust that the event isn't rigged, that it hasn't been leaked to some other group whom have prepped for it? You can't. Quote: If I want to try out some new content after an expansion how can I trust that I'm on a level playing field with all the other players, that other players haven't been primed on how to take advantage of that content as soon as it goes live? You can't. Well done CCP. You offered up one dev as a sacrificial scapegoat. All that proves is that particular Dev was being naughty. It doesn't prove that all the other Dev's have been naughty. Conversely, it doesn't disprove that either. All it proves is that a Dev can bend the rules for his own or his alliance's benefit, and get away with it (assuming, of course, that confidential information doesn't end up leaked to the public). Now, what about all those GM's who have characters in various alliances?
Lady Ombre	Posted - 2007.02.10 12:51:00 - [1369] Hmm too lazy to read 50 pages. Any further informations about the account sharing stuffs?
Mortania Minmatar Carbide Industries Apocalyptica.	Posted - 2007.02.10 12:51:00 - [1370] I've spent the last 12 hours or so reading. Yes I've even read "his" site. I've had to read most of the forums on Eve-Search because of the heavy moderation by CCP over the last few days. At first I was like, "Sigh, people are gonna go off, this is going to be lame." But now that I've gotten myself fairly fully informed on the subject, I'm in the camp of, "this is much more serious than I thought." To BoB leaders: As the now CEO of a pretty ancient corp one that had ties back to EVE-I beginnings and apparently m0o and a less than zero chance that a dev was/maybe still could be in our corp; I would act COMPLETELY differently than you guys have been. You have been adding fuel to the fire with your arrogance and dismissal of the seriousness of this event. If I found out one of my members at anytime had ever been a dev and we had gained serious advantage in ISK, information of tactics or in-game events, or special treatment, I would do whatever I could to right that perception, even if the dev was playing as a "normal" player at the time. If I had access to a rare BPO I would return some, most or all of the profits that we could afford. I would purchase BPOs off of the CPU market and delete them, or hold a random lottery for all players. If a Dev revealed themselves to me, I would ask them to leave the corporation, and I would report them to CCP as having revealed their identity IMMEDIATELY upon finding out, and would refuse any gifts from that player. To CCP: It is not sufficient to be technically innocent. I'm sorry, it isn't. Devs need to act above reproach. They should NEVER reveal that they are devs, and if they do then they should have those characters deleted immediately. Yes, devs should play their own game to understand it, but they should not play it as ônormalö players. They should never accept positions of power in a big alliance, nor should they retain T2 BPOs. They need to at all times be beyond reproach. They cannot afford even the merest hint of impropriety. This is ethics 101. Take a page from Alan Ginsberg, the long time head of the Fed in the US. Though he could legally invest in stocks and mutual funds or index funds, the most he ever did was put his money into simple bonds or Tbills. He knew that even a smidge of possible corruptness was as bad as actually being corrupt for public perception. EVE is NOT just a game. It is a persistent virtual world that you have created and are the stewards of. This is where over 100,000 people chose to spend their free time. This is where many people gain friends, have their social time, work hard IRL so that they can enjoy playing EVE. To say it's ôjust a gameö cheapens what we all have created. To those who say, "Quit if you don't like it," you also cheapen your own and everyone else's time and lives over the last 3+ years. To choose to walk away from EVE is not like finishing Gears of War, or GTA or even Oblivion: these games represent maybe 1-2 days/months of play for most players of EVE. For a player to decide that they are leaving this game represents a MAJOR reduction in satisfaction. There are people who have more time in EVE than some professionals play at their sport. Imagine saying to a football player after a devastating leg injury, "Just give up football.ö Give up what has been potentially a major identity for you for many years. ôIt's only a game." Please CCP, please restore my confidence in this wonderful world you have created. Stop trying to sweep this under the rug, stop trying to protect a few friends or possible lapses in judgment. Be open, allow open discussion, stop trying to shut the door. Respond to every thread, from a gold bar person, even with just a "This is being considered." You have a MAJOR PR crisis on your hands, please treat it as such. It needs to be all hands on deck this weekend and next week. You guys have to get ahead of this thing and gain the respect and trust of your 100,000 citizens. Thank you, Mortania CEO Carbide Industries

Severian Maura	Posted - 2007.02.10 12:52:00 - [1371] Bob knew they had a developer working with them again. And its human nature to inquire about stuff and ask whether or not he could get free stuff. What was caught was only the tip of the iceberg I gurantee it. And now that CCP has a policy in place that punishes whisleblowers instead of cheaters expect it to happen more. CCP employees should not be allowed to be engaged in Alliances, they should have a there own little corp if they want to play the game. It takes out the part of improtiety. Players and Coaches are not allowed to bet on there teams failures. This is the same thing the temptation is to great to cheat in competivie games. And eve is competive. I will give the game one more week to see if CCP actually does soemthing besides punish the whistleblower and reward bob.
KiLLaH KLoWN	Posted - 2007.02.10 12:52:00 - [1372] Edited by: KiLLaH KLoWN on 10/02/2007 12:49:28 Originally by: Eron Lygera Yes... most of it basically. 1) you cannot develop a game you cannont play. As in, you cannot make a wine you cannot taste yourself. 2) Here we agree, they should just be reseeded. Fine. 3) So because Molle could have known he was a dev he should be removed? And even if he knew, why do you automatically assume that they conspired to abuse it? (because you would have?) And then you want Kug reinstated although he did things that was wrong as well? (the end does not justify the means)Also, are you completely sure that the information kugusument provided was 110% accurate. That he didnt alter a line here and there, and that he didnt exclude things that would imply that other players innocense - because he clearly didnt like bob. I could know of a dev character in eve. So could you. Should we be banned? 1) he alone can play the game on Sisi but not on Tranq. He has exhibited the fact that he is an abuser. If he can't do his job that way, then let them go and hire someone trustworthy and capable. Find him something else to do.. like run for coffee... 2) Glad we agree 3) I never said Sir Molle knew of the Dev. He posted RL info of someone on the forums... Against EULA.. So See ya....
Sral TBear letter of marque	Posted - 2007.02.10 12:52:00 - [1373] i finaly after 1,5 years have got the skills i wantet, so a "fresh start" is not an option. CCP can damedge controll this. Im more wurried about scammers, loggers, griefers and macro miners than i am of this.. This is bad, but no company out there havent had this, and i still have my trust in ccp. Why should they inform us about internal problems?? no corporation out there does that, even the country you live in dont tell you everything (top secret, closed files secret memos etc) It comes down to this. Do you trust ccp that they can deal with this or not. If not, then simply quit and let us who have trust in them enjoy the game, this is evolving to some area 51, who killed kennedy, Roswell thing with all the theories that is comming out..... CCP have said they have delt with it, yes im paying a monthly fee, but that still dont give me the rights to se / know how they exactly deal with this, next thing will be that you all want to know how they are having there lunch brake, and how mucth time they are using on it so if they are late to get back you can retract 0.5$ for next month.....to mutch community big brother, abit to little trust and faith cheating is bad, unfair advanteges is bad, quit if you dont want to play anymore. I will keep on playing, get podded and have fun..... ps. By some of the reactions here i actualy think that a publick execution of the entire BOB leadership, t20 and some others is the only way to stop this......geeeez.....
Amshar Fahadlan	Posted - 2007.02.10 12:53:00 - [1374] Where are big discovered truths? We the customers pay for a game where some devs have possilbe taken a big part or done a constant influence on the ingame Politics. no question devs need to play the game to know what we the customers will need, but not in any leadingroles of alliances or megacorps. The presented poor Bpos u listet are nothing like a try calm the angry and dissapointet ppl down. Further this crisis lots of storys with unbelivable contents u will hear if you will follow Bob throu their battles(offline POS-towers).Mystical loginproblems for enemys in lots of battles, extra nodes for bob because their assault on ec-p8r ,etc etc.......... And last but not least i need to thank Bob for their impressive perfomance on the last Big Tournaments. maybe the other participating players can get any enemy intel about fittings and enemychar secific skills so the fight will last little longer. diplomatic like i am , i would reeimburse Bob for not winning all events anymore, with some more Complexes in their space.It seems they running little low on uberloot since last 2 or3 weekends.
Ian Novarider Eve Defence Force	Posted - 2007.02.10 12:53:00 - [1375] Edited by: Ian Novarider on 10/02/2007 12:53:07 I have read Kierons answers here http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingamebo...hreadID=473490 and frankly i dont think its good enough. We already lost several players in our corp because they are fed up with the cheating in this game and more will follow i think. About guilty players not being banned or suspended .. HELLOOOOO ? ... They did not know that these BPOs were illegal and coming from a dev ? Hey guys, did you read the files that Kugutsumen has uncovered ? These players knew EXACTLY where these BPOs were coming from. They also knew EXACTLY how to get more BPOs from the lottery after the dev told them how the BPO lottery worked. Its not ONLY about the BPOs coming from the dev. Its ALSO about all the many other BPOs (aka money printing machines) obtained through information released by the dev to RKK high council. There is even one guy that threatens to LEAVE the council because he is not being told this information. And another (Molle) that teases him with this lack of knowledge. And about the integrity of T20 as a CCP employee .... in MY corporation in real life i had to sign several pages of non-disclosure rules. If I give internal information out to someone else outside the corp i will be fired. No questions asked, no second chance. This is NOT a trivial matter. Depending on the information leaked i could even be prosecuted and i would have to pay a ruinous fine. CCP ... you have to do better than that if you dont want to lose players and EVEN MORE reputation than you have already lost. Ian Quote: Know thy enemy and know thyself and thou will be victorious in all thy battles.
Ariso Prime Orbital Systems	Posted - 2007.02.10 12:54:00 - [1376] Quote: Internally, this incident was discovered over the summer when the majority of the senior company staff was on vacation. This lead to the caution against taking more harsh measures such as termination of employment. T20 was punished at the time for his misconduct. To terminate t20's employment now would appease some of the more emotional members of the community, but it would also be unfair to punish someone twice for the same misconduct. Seeing as though we cant comment in Kierons thread i want to know why its unfair to punish T20 again? Because it appears all that happened was he had to leave RKK? Thats not fair punishment in comparison to banning peoples accounts, when T20 wouldnt lose anything really. The tougher internal controls should be tough, even retrospectively. So next summer when the devs go on holiday will things be dealt with softly again if something like this happens again?
Tanis Bastar Caldari Interstitial Incorporated	Posted - 2007.02.10 12:55:00 - [1377] Originally by: Dred'Pirate Jesus He's a Dev and not bound by the EULA.. End of argument.. As far as the 'trust' issue I know that if I was a Dev you could be damned sure I'd spawn whatever I needed in some discreet fashion instead of grinding for it.. Uh, as far as I know everyone using the client is subject to the EULA, don't think there is a "skip EULA, I'm a Dev" option. And as for your comment that you would spawn whatever you needed if you were a Dev, I guess that speaks for itself.
Nole Garyer	Posted - 2007.02.10 12:58:00 - [1378] Originally by: Mortania those who say, "Quit if you don't like it," you also cheapen your own and everyone else's time Then people should seriously stop using it as a "threat". Your backseat driving makes you look rediculos. Hot air and chestbeating wont win you any T2 bpo's. Get lost idiot.
maximus babbarus Freelance Economics Astrological resources	Posted - 2007.02.10 12:58:00 - [1379] this isnt a seriouse post by me this is just funny(supoosed to be but bov alts will flame me for it ^^) i was working my way towards the good old fashioned perma tanked faction fit cnr, but im gona spend my time aplying for a job at ccp then ill be able to magic a cnr bpo faction kit bpos into the game and ill have lots of cvrs instead of the one Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed dimensions of 400x120 pixels and filesize of 24000 bytes -Conuion Meow ([email protected])
Gradinger Todmacher	Posted - 2007.02.10 12:59:00 - [1380] tbh im amazed and saddened that this happened or that you had to admit it CCP - although not totally surprised. CCP, you have betrayed your players, your customers, sometimes comrades. Well, as stated, CCP will continue to play this game among us - and this is TOTALLY FINE - a desirable advantage to develop this game. And to everybody who wishes otherwise and cries for dev ban over TQ - how do you think that would work? Apart from the lacking playing experience at CCP - this couldnt even be policed in any way. How you want to stop somebody from playing a mmo? if needed he can use a friends credit card and a proxy. and the other thing is, devs are making this gaming - they can manipulate it if they want and they got insider-knowledge of mechanics, events etc.. So how can we, regular players, be sure CCP aint cheating? hmm.. noway. there is now way to make sure no information leaves the CCP-HQ or something alike. So what is left? TRUST - it¦s all about trust. all we can do is trust you CCP, and you have admittedly abused this trust, at least once. I beg you CCP - dont abuse us again. I beg you CCP - dont disappoint us again. Please, CCP, dont cheat on us - again.



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