CCP has to care about ALL OF ITS CUSTOMERS, not only about the older one... They look at stats and comments from ALL players and ponder the whole thing.


They could have ended with decaying SP (after X time without connexion, you'd start to lose SP) but they didn't... They were even going to give the same amount of SP to every players and not a decreasing return like you can see with injectors.

There's more:

"ItGÇÖs very important to note here that this means all the skillpoints available to buy on the market in EVE will have originated on other characters where they were trained at the normal rate.

You should really stop quoting this as you have no data on how much SP has already been lost with injectors so tehnically RIse might be right that every SP on market will have originated as it would have been trained at normal rate.

You should really stop quoting this as you have no data on how much SP has already been lost with injectors so tehnically RIse might be right that every SP on market will have originated as it would have been trained at normal rate.

That's one way to spin it. If we're being honest though, we have to acknowledge that SP rewards from dailies are being generated from thin air. And even if they consider the SP loss from injectors we would be against DAILIES. Dailies are the issue here. The attempt to psychologically force people to log in instead of making them want to login is the problem. The laziness of doing something that goes against everything EVE stands for as a MMO is the problem here. CCP should have an ounce of respect for their creation.

This is taking for granted that nothing ever change which in a MMO is kind of silly to expect. What is true on day X can always be false later on. His quote was not a lie when it was made and won't be at least until the point where someone finish an opportunity and put the resulting SP into an extractor. If he knew or not that opportunity were coming and would reward SP is up to debate but unless we know he knew about it, calling him a liar would label devs from pretty much every MMO liars too.

CCP has to care about ALL OF ITS CUSTOMERS, not only about the older one... They look at stats and comments from ALL players and ponder the whole thing.

We want you to be able to collect this reward during a lunch break or a 10 minute period where your kids are in timeout but also want to make sure there's some real gameplay associated with it.

We leaned to the side of a better experience and removed the limitations, hoping that the logins we were generating were fairly empty, rarely leading to more actual activity in the universe. Well, it turns out we were wrong about that. Now, with before and after data we can see that making it into the client is a huge step towards real activity, even if the reason for logging in in the first place seems artificial.

Why Skillpoints?
There's been a lot of feedback here that this kind of feature would be acceptable if the rewards were more monetary, either LP or ISK or something similar. There's a few reasons that doesn't really work and we feel pulled towards SP. I think the biggest one is that many people simply won't be motivated by LP or ISK, especially in the amounts we would be restricted to giving. SP simply has higher demand across more playstyles and player ages and that just makes it a more powerful incentive. Second big reason that we actually tried designs using item and ISK rewards and it quickly creates a lot of economic imbalances. Any time we are giving something away without much activity cost we are heavily sabotaging someone's gameplay. Whether it's because of devaluing LP, causing major inflation, or crashing item markets, it's all bad for you guys so we would rather avoid it.

In my opinion the best way to introduce a type of daily is to incentivize players to play the way they normally would without interfering with traditional gameplay. Also introduce other styles of play without the player feeling left behind if they are not completed. Here are a few examples:

Missions - Daily
- Reward for 1st mission completed each day
- Reward increases depending on agent lvl and security space
- Flat reward for all missions depending on agent lvl and space, i.e.: lvl4 encounter pays equal to lvl 4 mining, lvl2 mining pays equal to lvl2 trade.

Incursions - Weekly
- Reward for completion of 1st incursion during the week

PVP - Daily - Weekly
- Reward for 1st kill of another player (being on the kill mail) each day
- Reward for killing x amount of players a week

This is something you can extend to all "real activities" in Eve, marketing, exploration, production, etc. Balance it so the reward fits the risk and that the reward is for the individual and not shared. Create the system where the PVE Carebare will not sweat that he/she doesn't receive 10mil isk for not killing another player but that the Null Sec Pirate gets a reward for participating in killing 100 players a week, which creates your "real activity". This also helps those time limited people youGÇÖre trying to get to log in by letting them get on and do what they want. Lastly this will/can create more content by expanding rewards to large scale activities like incursions, or mass pvp battles which could draw others into trying these activities.

ItGÇÖs very important to note here that this means all the skillpoints available to buy on the market in EVE will have originated on other characters where they were trained at the normal rate.

CCP has to care about ALL OF ITS CUSTOMERS, not only about the older one... They look at stats and comments from ALL players and ponder the whole thing.


They could have ended with decaying SP (after X time without connexion, you'd start to lose SP) but they didn't... They were even going to give the same amount of SP to every players and not a decreasing return like you can see with injectors.

Right, because magically teleporting everyone's stuff to the nearest lowsec station every time a citadel dies is SUPER HARDCORE, CCP Rise. Who could possibly have doubts?

Except if you look at the trend in the video game industry, you will notice that games are leaning towards the instant gratification vice long term planning and forethought.. THE VERY REASON that the game EvE managed to survive because people that didn't want to play the kiddy games came to play here instead, where your actions really mattered.

With some of the temper tantrums in this thread some of them should go back to kids games.

How some haven't got at the least a lengthy forum ban is beyond me after the abuse they are giving out towards the devs.

How some haven't got at the least a lengthy forum ban is beyond me after the abuse they are giving out towards the devs.

The Devs are the living embodiment of "HTFU". They fly around in frigates with 100% resists because they earned it. Really. You can Phased Plasma L, but you can't phase a Dev. They're super chill, very friendly, and very forgiving of the dumb things people sometimes say under the cloak of the internet.

Besides, in this power dynamic, they are essentially the Dr. Manhattan to our being basically everyone else in that movie. Do you get upset at ants that may or may not swarm at your feet or occasionally crawl onto your shoe?

they dont have to care too much about older players as they are the easier players to keep, its newer players they need to keep who dont have anything to lose if they quit the game, tbh im at a stage where ive invested too much time and money into the game to just quit, its something i would really need to think twice about. if i was a 2 month old player then id just unsub and move onto the next game.

So out fo your list, I got

Kill your alt in .4
Mine even if you don't want to so it's as stupid as the rat
Build a frigate which is also just as stupid as the rat if you are not an indy guy. Hell even for them it might be a pain if they have no free production slots.
Those killmails rarer than you probably imagine (this character you post on never gopt on one)
AFK play really need to be rewarded?
jumping abck and forth the same gate in a pair of system at the ass-end of the galaxy is really much more interesting than killing a rat.
Let's sacrifice a rookie ship because why not?
Let em kill my alt 2 more time after the first one time for the first point
Can't trigger this as CCP's code does not know who is bumping and who is getting bumped.
Imma ninja loot from my alt
Imma pod my alt.

Holy **** man that was soooooooooo much better than the stupid rat idea. I really think you should post more of those idea.

How about some random mechanism of bonus skillpoints for things players already do, not just some specified daily task. E.g., explorers opening a can sometimes get "you have just been awarded xxx skillpoints", or miners mining, or pvp activity, or anything. That way people can play the game the way they want and have an incentive to play more.

It would be so hilarious of for just one day, the player really had to live by the HTFU rule on the forum. This thread would be down to like 19 post if that.

if I wanted to grind sp, I'd grind isk to buy injectors.

And this 'go kill a belt rat' think is completely the wrong way to go about doing something that's already inherently awful

If you MUST have a daily requirement for sp, have it be 'go agress another player in some way' which is a MUCH better way of doing this, it would get people engaging with one-other, even if it's only to game the system (lol rookie ship duels), that is then also ripe for 'shenanigans and tomfoolery'. WIN-WIN-WIN. CCP gets its desired daily log-ins for (reward), it makes the players (those without alts at least) engage with one another somehow, and it has a distinctly eve-flavoured twist to it compared to WoW.

Honestly, folks, the only way to have a chance of having CCP listen is to complain about this publicly. On Facebook, on Twitter, at Fanfest, etc.

Up until this idea was posted, I was honestly having as much fun as I have ever had in Eve. We're in the middle of an epic war, with literally thousands of players on each side doing everything they can to win, and CCP has to plant the seeds to make me hate this game.

I've thought about Eve every day for over nine years. I've played every day that I could possibly get to a computer. Eve is not just a game. It is a social experiment. Well, daily chores don't have a place in a social experiment. You log in to be part of the experiment. Not to get some ******* cake, because you pressed a ******* button.



I am really glad I am not going to Fanfest. The more I think about this, the more enraged I am.

How some haven't got at the least a lengthy forum ban is beyond me after the abuse they are giving out towards the devs.