Evoke + Cloud ring back in 2010/2011 = ... what exactly?

Let me make this clear:

I like the part where you leave the solution to numbers in your 'fixed' version regarding numbers (EG: That they have a counter that isn't 'bring more'), so actually proving the point.

And that point was "but there is virtually no counter for superior numbers as they stand".

And for Andski, i think i would much rather (in an ideal world) see a 50-100 man gang Vs similar numbers, or a handful of carriers for the fun of it.

Having been in a RR carrier gang of 6, we nearly lost to a 50 man gang or so. They are pretty exciting battles :)

But back on topic though, Has a Mael/drake blob won battles where a titan blob was involved?

nerf TEMPEST pls they lose against tempest now

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GOONS stop cry about nerf ships , l2p maybe

wow 6 capitals

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wow 6 capitals

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you are all missing main point of current game mechanics that is broken.
Every fleet based on numbers has it's counter based on SP and ISK. Bringing 100 rifters with logistics will be countered by bringing 20 vagabonds with less logistics.
So let's assume Fleet A is T1 frigate, Fleet B is Hacs, Fleet C is battleships. So every fleet can be countered by fleet of less size but higher SP, u can always field something that requires less numbers but more SP/ISK and that something will be only like 1 rank higher then hostile fleet .
This is how it looks like: frigs > cruisers > BCs > BS > Capitals > Supercapitals > Titans. Current mechanics is good up intil BS. there is a huuuuuge gap between BS and titan. U can say that capitals are under powered and that's why they are not used or state that titans and supers are overpowered and should be nerfed. In any case this is not solving major issue - Gap between BS and a Titan. Fill that missing point and game everybody will be happy.

If u guys are so PRO why cry to CCP to nerf ships ?? cuz cant kill Raiden & Co
What u guys do now i do when i have 4 year and some1 take my toys and i start cry : MOM ( CCP) some one take my toys pls help me
GOONS = PENIBLE

you are all missing main point of current game mechanics that is broken.
Every fleet based on numbers has it's counter based on SP and ISK. Bringing 100 rifters with logistics will be countered by bringing 20 vagabonds with less logistics.

So let's assume Fleet A is T1 frigate, Fleet B is Hacs, Fleet C is battleships. So every fleet can be countered by fleet of less size but higher SP, u can always field something that requires less numbers but more SP/ISK and that something will be only like 1 rank higher then hostile fleet .
This is how it looks like: frigs > cruisers > BCs > BS > Capitals > Supercapitals > Titans. Current mechanics is good up intil BS. there is a huuuuuge gap between BS and titan. U can say that capitals are under powered and that's why they are not used or state that titans and supers are overpowered and should be nerfed. In any case this is not solving major issue - Gap between BS and a Titan. Fill that missing point and game become much better.

I've to admit - CCP Sucks in game balance. I remember same way ppl where whining about atlas capitals, so ccp created another ship to counter them. After ppl were whining about supers, now titans. in any case tweaking 1 certain ship will never fix game. If you want to fix something to and review all ships that are affected by tracking titans. I would also say that Signature stuff is kinda bullshit, ship size doesn't change by turning MWD on. So how can missile do more damage to same ship w MWD on and less damage w MWD off?

If there is one thing I've learnt from this thread it's that the majority of the games Titan's seem to be in NPC corps.

If u guys are so PRO why cry to CCP to nerf ships ?? cuz cant kill Raiden & Co
What u guys do now i do when i have 4 year and some1 take my toys and i start cry : MOM ( CCP) some one take my toys pls help me
GOONS = PENIBLE

If u guys are so PRO why cry to CCP to nerf ships ?? cuz cant kill Raiden & Co
What u guys do now i do when i have 4 year and some1 take my toys and i start cry : MOM ( CCP) some one take my toys pls help me
GOONS = PENIBLE

Yeah, more opportunities for small fights would be great, especially with mixed fleets! Unfortunately the current Sov system doesn't work that way. Also, a Titan fleet is the exact opposite of a mixed fleet.

Where will it stop though? with carriers?

If somehow titans were deemed too risky to send in to battle, what ship class will be next in line to send in?

Super carriers.

What counter is there to a RR super carrier fleet? One whos HP count is higher than a titans? Will we see calls for another HP/ability nerf for SCs before long?

great now remove ECM, eve fixed

hey tell me what happens when you throw maelstroms and logis at hacs

let me save you some time: they get murdered by the hacs

add some lokis, huginns, lachesis and dictors into the mix and, hey, the hacs die in a fire

"fleet composition"

1 dread will never kill a full fleet of battleships but 100 dreads will.

So basically all u say is that every fleet doctrine can be countered. So with proper fleet composition u can **** battleships with ahacs. but if battleships will burn in different directions they will murder ahacs. This is exactly what I want to say. no imagine that on a higher tier. imagine you have fleet of dreads with enough DPS to kill and track battleships out of siege mode. u dield supers to take them out. but then dreads can go to siege and start raping supers if they have enough numbers or ask for suppercap support to counter your super fleet. that's exactly what is missing. that is what I'm trying to say.

There should be no uber ship. Titans atm are viewed from solo point of view. ppl are looking at what 1 titan does instead of looking on it from fleet doctrine perspective and counter them same way. 1 dread will never kill a full fleet of battleships but 100 dreads will. 1 battleship will never alpha hac or cruiser but in numbers they will, same goes for for hacs that will **** battleships, dreads that will **** titansand so on.

Once again stop looking at 1 particular ship. Look at all those ships that are before and after it in tier rank.

Battleship killer - that is what missing in this game. ship with enough tank to adsorb a huge damage comming from number of battleships and enough DPS to bring some of them down before he dies. Titans are the ones that fulfill that role, dreads can be significant replacement to them in this case.

Lets test this. You bring the dreads I'll bring the battleships.

The counter to a blob of titans is a bigger blob of titans. Hence the nerf.

No, counter blob of titan with Sieged dreads (still needs a buff) and support fleet.

Read my post above again! dreads as they are now are a waste of isk and nothing else.

Why should 100 dreads kill 256 battleships other than a misguided belief that more skillpoints and isk should equal more power? Dreads are balanced pretty well against battleships (i.e. they die in a fire), you don't see them on the field because supercaps are broken.

Why can Assault frigate like Ishkur **** 5 T1 frigates? Why Garmon rapes pretty much everything in his videos while flying ship fitted for over 5 bil and implants for 2bil? What's the point of training and perfecting skills then?

Why can Assault frigate like Ishkur **** 5 T1 frigates? Why Garmon rapes pretty much everything in his videos while flying ship fitted for over 5 bil and implants for 2bil? What's the point of training and perfecting skills then?