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CCP Fallout
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Posted - 2008.10.15 20:43:00 -
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Attention Capsuleers! The news you've all been waiting for, aka Winter Expansion, is finally here. EVE Online: Quantum Rise will bring new features, content and technology to New Eden. For more information, check out our newest press release.
Fallout Associate Community Manager CCP Hf, EVE Online
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CCP Fallout
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Posted - 2008.10.15 20:43:00 -
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Attention Capsuleers! The news you've all been waiting for, aka Winter Expansion, is finally here. EVE Online: Quantum Rise will bring new features, content and technology to New Eden. For more information, check out our newest press release.
Fallout Associate Community Manager CCP Hf, EVE Online
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ZW Dewitt
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Posted - 2008.10.15 20:47:00 -
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When?
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mach18
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Posted - 2008.10.15 20:49:00 -
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WTF are you talking about? Go on, give us a real clue!
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clone 1
Laughing Leprechauns Corporation
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Posted - 2008.10.15 20:51:00 -
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Posting before thread disapears -------------------------------------------------- The Angels Have the Phone Box |
Esmenet
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Posted - 2008.10.15 20:51:00 -
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If the speed nerf comes in it, the expansion will suck nomatter what else is in it.
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NupetietVer
Neuro Cartographic Services
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Posted - 2008.10.15 20:53:00 -
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Woo hoo, certificates that prove that I can do stuff
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x psy
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Posted - 2008.10.15 20:54:00 -
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weeee \o/
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Simo98
International House of PWNCakes
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Posted - 2008.10.15 20:55:00 -
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\o/ new stuff :D
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chrisreeves
Gallente Asgard Protectorate
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Posted - 2008.10.15 20:56:00 -
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Is this the thread where I ***** about no training while my account is inactive? -----------------
Originally by: kieron The Ibis was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.
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cirus670
Caldari The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc.
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Posted - 2008.10.15 21:00:00 -
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Woot, but yes, when? "We are here for our fun, not yours". |
Lafe
Baptism oF Fire Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2008.10.15 21:01:00 -
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Woopdidoo
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Treelox
Amarr Market Jihadist Revolutionary Party
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Posted - 2008.10.15 21:03:00 -
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I got to say, I thought the unofficial name of this expansion, "Midas" was a lot better.
I'll reserve all further comment till we get some real "meat and bones" type dev blogs on the subject, instead of the official PR annoucement.
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Anna Kommenos
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Posted - 2008.10.15 21:09:00 -
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....i take it this is sposed to distract us from the near simultaneous nerf of nano's and minmatar, and the end of ghost training? some shiny medal sprite on my character page or bio????
wow....and here i thought i wanted an honest ccp who provided real content :P
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DarkAssasain
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.10.15 21:10:00 -
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Quantum Rise.....New stuff means new nerfs. Though im curious to see what its about.
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Joker Deville
T e r c i o s
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Posted - 2008.10.15 21:17:00 -
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first page on a 'ccp will **** up again' topic
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Jei'son Bladesmith
The Storm Knights The Cool Kids Club
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Posted - 2008.10.15 21:18:00 -
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zomg zomg zomg zomg zomg zomg zomg
stuffs
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2008.10.15 21:19:00 -
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I liked midas better
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Samira Melina
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Posted - 2008.10.15 21:23:00 -
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No idea at all on timing?
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El Yatta
Mercenary Forces
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Posted - 2008.10.15 21:25:00 -
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"Quantum Rise" - did you see the Quantum of Solace trailer and think "we need a name that makes even less sense than that!" ? _______________________________________________ Mercenary Forces |
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Kretin
JuBa Corp Resurgency
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Posted - 2008.10.15 21:25:00 -
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Originally by: Samira Melina No idea at all on timing?
Were typically due an expansion around xmas time so i'd guess mid december
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Jei'son Bladesmith
The Storm Knights The Cool Kids Club
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Posted - 2008.10.15 21:26:00 -
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Originally by: El Yatta "Quantum Rise" - did you see the Quantum of Solace trailer and think "we need a name that makes even less sense than that!" ?
bah, so what if it doesnt make sense, we get STUFFS!!! NOO SHINYS!!
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Rejected Enlightenment
Habitual Euthanasia
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Posted - 2008.10.15 21:27:00 -
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First page of T3 **** yeah.
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Rawthorm
Gallente The Establishment Establishment
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Posted - 2008.10.15 21:29:00 -
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Why announce the expansion when u give us no real idea whats in it?
It's not like we don't know they are coming given u stated how frequant they'd be
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Cragen o'mass
Caldari Fallen Nova
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Posted - 2008.10.15 21:36:00 -
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is this the expanison with james bond in it? ---------------------------------------
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Naa Morat
Federal Defence Union
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Posted - 2008.10.15 21:37:00 -
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Nice... Sure another nice work. Keep it up CCP and thanks.
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Emily Tong
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Posted - 2008.10.15 21:38:00 -
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Its a diversion tactic you see, stopping ghost training has ****ed off so many people they need to divert their anger away.
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Fredou
Gallente Hidden Agenda Deep Space Engineering
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Posted - 2008.10.15 21:38:00 -
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question, any new skills?
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Brayiel
The Double Cross
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Posted - 2008.10.15 21:41:00 -
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Excellent :) Quantum Rise and Quantum Solace in the same year, anyone else have any more Quantums?
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Athelas Loraiel
Amarr Celestial Horizon Corp. Celestial Industrial Alliance
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Posted - 2008.10.15 21:44:00 -
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please bring skill que for training...
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Finnroth
Caldari The Crimson Fraternity
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Posted - 2008.10.15 21:45:00 -
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From the other thread:
Originally by: Finnroth Edited by: Finnroth on 15/10/2008 20:38:31 Is it just me or does this completly sound strange? The avoidance system as well as Stackless I/O and EVE 64 is already deployed (more or less at least, in case for EVE 64), and from the acutal Sisi status we can expect at least medals and certificates for the (hopefully?) upcoming EA 1.2 patch. Weapon Linking as well as store front and the Speed Balance/Nerf stuff is already in Sisi as well, so it's not too farfetched to believe they might be part of 1.2 as well - so what is left for this mysterious addon named EVE: Quantum Rise?
Doesn't make much sense in my humble opinion.
Edit: We also got some CCP respone a while back, saying that no new graphics content would make it into this years winter expansion...not that i wouldn't like it to be proofed wrong.
Also whats up with all this quantum crap, it sounds cool - the first time you hear it, but nowadays everything and it's brimstone have something named with quantum. Looking forward for the expansion anyways.
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Arkady Sadik
Gradient Electus Matari
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Posted - 2008.10.15 21:46:00 -
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Edited by: Arkady Sadik on 15/10/2008 21:46:45 This is the expansion that was called "Midas" before. If they keep their schedule, it should hit before Christmas - go for something like "beginning of december", 9th or so.
Big changes/additions (from SiSi) are:
- Weapon groups - Certificates - Medals - Storefronts (for contracts)
The speed rebalancing, including a full revamp of missiles, is intended to be included, but if new problems show up, it might not make it. (And no, another 100 people whining is not "a problem" in this sense :-))
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
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Posted - 2008.10.15 21:47:00 -
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Edited by: Chribba on 15/10/2008 21:47:50 Woooo I gots speedy fingers since my thread was created about 30 min before yours Linkage
edit/And weapon groups sucks until you can link Mining Lasers - which you can't atm!
Secure 3rd party service ■ Veldspar |
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Caiman Graystock
Comrades in Construction Anarchy.
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Posted - 2008.10.15 21:49:00 -
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Yay, can't wait to hear more. Wish the leeching whingers would stfu though.
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Echo VI
White Wolves Syndicate THORN Alliance
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Posted - 2008.10.15 21:51:00 -
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Great, an announcement for an expansion that didn't include anything that sounds interesting. It just keeps getting worse and worse. What's next? The inability to have cap ships in low-sec? A nerf to shield boosters and armor reppers? Are my drones flying too straight? Must we nerf the BCU's a little?
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gravitywave
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Posted - 2008.10.15 21:54:00 -
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woooo shiny :) gg CCP
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Head CareBear
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Posted - 2008.10.15 21:55:00 -
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Can one of the devs comment on whether or not that Medal System will allow us to finally use up the Alliance Tournament medals?
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Arous Drephius
Perkone
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Posted - 2008.10.15 21:58:00 -
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Originally by: Chribba edit/And weapon groups sucks until you can link Mining Lasers - which you can't atm!
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Ryuga VonRhaiden
Caldari Insurgent New Eden Tribe Systematic-Chaos
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Posted - 2008.10.15 22:01:00 -
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first page too?
new spaceships, woo-hooooo :D
Do not try and find the signature... that's impossible. Instead only try to realize the truth... There is no signature. |
Haradgrim
Tyrell Corp INTERDICTION
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Posted - 2008.10.15 22:05:00 -
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I take it that this is the official name for the afore mentioned "Midas"? --
Originally by: CCP Oveur ...every forum whine feels like a baby pony is getting killed
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JAME5 KIRK
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Posted - 2008.10.15 22:08:00 -
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Originally by: Echo VI Great, an announcement for an expansion that didn't include anything that sounds interesting. It just keeps getting worse and worse. What's next? The inability to have cap ships in low-sec? A nerf to shield boosters and armor reppers? Are my drones flying too straight? Must we nerf the BCU's a little?
not intresting to you doesnt mean not intresting full stop, you may not be aware that there are other players besides yourself that have other intrests in the game
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Nuyan Zahedi
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2008.10.15 22:11:00 -
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Originally by: ZW Dewitt When?
2 December 2008. You've heard it here first.
How does the storefront stuff on SiSi look like? I'm not sure what to expect of that. -- My blog
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Demitria Fernir
Caldari Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2008.10.15 22:12:00 -
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Oh well, Quantum Nerf would have been better for this expansion name IMHO. _______________________________________________ 10100110010100101010011010100101001100101110101 I will Conquer My Signature Somewhere in the future 10100110010100101010011010100101001100101110101 |
Rainus Max
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
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Posted - 2008.10.15 22:12:00 -
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Oooo shiny, do we get fuel rods for POSes? Please please please say yes
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Jason Edwards
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Posted - 2008.10.15 22:15:00 -
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tl;dr
The new name for the expansion is quantum rise.
Quote:
industrial ships are being rebalanced and optimized to better suit the needs of haulers and industrialists, including the latest edition to the fleet, a massive capital industrial ship dubbed the Orca.
industrials are being rebalanced?
Iteron 5 haz more space plz?
Orca is massive? Isnt it a minirorqual? ------------------------ "There was this bright flash of light - and now this egg shaped thing is on my screen - did I level up?" |
Mashie Saldana
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams
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Posted - 2008.10.15 22:18:00 -
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Originally by: Press Release Continuations of the massive Trinity graphics update
Oh is that the updated graphics for effects/planets/backgrounds/all other non updated stuff?
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DeODokktor
Dark Templars The Fonz Presidium
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Posted - 2008.10.15 22:22:00 -
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LOLLERSKATES.... I gotta admit... this is REALLY gonna draw people away from the ghost thing... they will DEF forget about those hundreds of pages of complaints that they just made...
If it doesnt work you can talk about the expansion due in 9 months time too!!
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farfrael
Freelancer Union Unaffiliated
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Posted - 2008.10.15 22:23:00 -
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Originally by: Press Release Continuations of the massive Trinity graphics update
nice, more stuff the linux/mac users won't be able to use ! thanks so much CCP for your officially supported client who's only about 12 months behind the curve ... yeah
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Aokie
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.10.15 22:23:00 -
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Continuations of the massive Trinity graphics update. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Yay, it's about time.
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JeremyLadder
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Posted - 2008.10.15 22:24:00 -
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Hello... I'm for sale cuz my owner has more accounts than he can afford dude to the ghost training thingy...
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Gyala Frey
Gallente Rage For Order Nihil-Obstat
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Posted - 2008.10.15 22:38:00 -
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<rant>What a bunch of children on these forums</rant> Gyala Frey |
Jeff Anderson
Event.Horizon
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Posted - 2008.10.15 22:39:00 -
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Will I still be able to play eve if I don't have a 64bit system when this comes out?
Sig: Miners supply the ore that the Industrialists use to build the ships you PVP/E with so please think of them as your ship blows up from the enhanced PVP/E in EVE. We know CCP hasn't.
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IR Scoutar
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.10.15 22:44:00 -
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hard pressed to find an expansion there serisously where is it ?
also chribbas topic is way better
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DeODokktor
Dark Templars The Fonz Presidium
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Posted - 2008.10.15 22:45:00 -
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Originally by: Jeff Anderson Will I still be able to play eve if I don't have a 64bit system when this comes out?
the 64bit upgrade (from what I gater) is only the "server side" upgrade.. the one they did a few days back..
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wide
SniggWaffe
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Posted - 2008.10.15 22:47:00 -
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Giving us something to discuss would make this thread interesting |
killmc
Gallente The Black Guards
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Posted - 2008.10.15 22:53:00 -
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How about no new expansion till you guy fix all bugs in game and give all stuff that you told us about 1 year ago or even 6 months ago!!!!!
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Arkady Sadik
Gradient Electus Matari
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Posted - 2008.10.15 22:57:00 -
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Originally by: Nuyan Zahedi How does the storefront stuff on SiSi look like? I'm not sure what to expect of that.
It's basically a way to organize contracts better than the lack of organization contracts currently have.
Store fronts can be created at any office station. People can find them similar to the way you can search for contracts now. A store front has a name, a description, and some "news" that you can put on the front page. You can create categories, and put contracts into those categories. So customers can browse your store front and find various related contracts etc.
Sorry, no screenshots from me, maybe someone else can link one.
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Gyala Frey
Gallente Rage For Order Nihil-Obstat
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Posted - 2008.10.15 22:58:00 -
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But seriously, New Stuff = Cool, Fun, Interesting. I'm looking forward to the details beyond the press release. Gyala Frey |
Elewen Borien
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Posted - 2008.10.15 23:04:00 -
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What about the ORCA !! Will there be a bpo or by invention only?? I haven't been this excited since I got my anotomically correct Fabio Doll, Woo Hoo
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Salpad
Caldari Carebears with Attitude
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Posted - 2008.10.15 23:09:00 -
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Originally by: Brayiel Excellent :) Quantum Rise and Quantum Solace in the same year, anyone else have any more Quantums?
Is Stephen Hawking still working on quantum gravitation theory?
(Even if he is, it isn't very likely to arrive this year, though.)
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Misaniovent
Allied Tactical Unit Brutally Organized Ruthless Gangsters
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Posted - 2008.10.15 23:16:00 -
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Thank you for the free expansions, CCP. I am not an industrialist, but I look forward to it nonetheless.
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Hotchick435
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Posted - 2008.10.15 23:19:00 -
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what skills are needed for orca? Info on it? info?info?info?info?info?info?info?info?info?info? INFO!?!?!?
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BuckStrider
Fleem Co
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Posted - 2008.10.15 23:21:00 -
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Does this mean no more lag :P
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Fennicus
Amarr Shoot To Thrill
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Posted - 2008.10.15 23:26:00 -
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Edited by: Fennicus on 15/10/2008 23:29:03 New ways to do current things, but nothing *new* apart from the Orca.
Anything new story-wise, how about letting us interact with some of the main players of the EVE universe or more information about the EVE gate? Any other new ships, missions, regions, ores, items?
Please, enough bug fixing and tweaks and changes, and more of the genuinely new, exciting stuff.
(Edit: I hate to whinge, I see everyone else doing it and usually become exasperated especially as CCP have been working their asses off. But I still feel their focus has turned to fiddling and tweaking existing content, rather than creating genuinely exciting new things. FW is lame by most people's standard, certificates will be fun for new players and old players for about a week, store fronts add yet another method of buying stuff which we could already do...)
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Seth Novus
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2008.10.15 23:28:00 -
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Quantum Rise is an extremely bad name for an expansion. As anyone who knows just how big a quanta really is can explain to you.
But then again, maybe you are just setting expectations
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Cpt Lumis
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Posted - 2008.10.15 23:29:00 -
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Are you going to fix my minny dread in this patch.
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Igneous Vextalios
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Posted - 2008.10.15 23:30:00 -
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Way to keep renewing yourself CCP. Cant wait for an expansion that will blow every other MMO out of the water.
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McFly
C0LDFIRE RUDE Alliance
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Posted - 2008.10.15 23:32:00 -
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My Questions:
When will Patch Notes be available with all changes and new features? When will Orca be on SiSi? So we can start training/testing/preparing/building? How long until everything is live on SiSi?
Other than that Congrats CCP, lookin forward to it.
--McFly--
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Kismeteer
BGG
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Posted - 2008.10.15 23:35:00 -
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The press release is REALLY short on details. Namely: - When - What (exactly) beyond the Orca and stuff already done
But who knows, it could be awesome, it's just very short on details. -- Kismeteer, carebear extraordinaire
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Dunn Idaho
Caldari The Maverick Navy Pupule 'Ohana
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Posted - 2008.10.15 23:40:00 -
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I would like to see more info about the Orca, and the timeframe for the whole expansion, not just a teaser like this designed to take eye's of the changes to ghost traning, (witch you have used as a selling point in your player guide)
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HotSeat
Black Omega Security Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.10.15 23:40:00 -
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So when does "Drakes Online" start?
Would like to know when to stop buying GTC's
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Gojyu
Ever Flow Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2008.10.15 23:51:00 -
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Woo, a bunch of minor features as the keynote changes for the patch. Best minor patch that we pretend are expansion packs ever.
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Daan Sai
Polytrope
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Posted - 2008.10.15 23:52:00 -
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Why is this: a light on details/rehash of already running stuff/press release and not a proper devblog of new things to come?
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Gojyu
Ever Flow Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2008.10.15 23:55:00 -
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Originally by: Daan Sai Why is this: a light on details/rehash of already running stuff/press release and not a proper devblog of new things to come?
We can only guess
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K'Talas Marta
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Posted - 2008.10.15 23:59:00 -
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Originally by: Gojyu
Originally by: Daan Sai Why is this: a light on details/rehash of already running stuff/press release and not a proper devblog of new things to come?
We can only guess
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CCP Explorer
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Posted - 2008.10.16 00:01:00 -
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Originally by: Finnroth Is it just me or does this completly sound strange? The avoidance system as well as Stackless I/O and EVE 64 is already deployed (more or less at least, in case for EVE 64), and from the acutal Sisi status we can expect at least medals and certificates for the (hopefully?) upcoming EA 1.2 patch. Weapon Linking as well as store front and the Speed Balance/Nerf stuff is already in Sisi as well, so it's not too farfetched to believe they might be part of 1.2 as well - so what is left for this mysterious addon named EVE: Quantum Rise?
Empyrean Age 1.2 was an internal milestone only and the features developed for that milestone are included in the EVE Online: Quantum Rise expansion. This expansion was code-named Midas.
EVE Online: Quantum Rise is a staged delivery and began with the deployment of technology features, StacklessIO, EVE64 and hardware upgrades, as well as features such as the autopilot avoidance. The main reasons we're deploying the expansion in stages is that we wanted to be able to measure a before-and-after of the technology improvements and also to minimise deployment risk.
Later deployments (coming soon to a computer near you) will include even more DB optimisations and Need for Speed improvements, and more features, such as Storefronts, Certificates, Medals, Weapon Grouping, a new industrial ship, and more.
EVE Online: Quantum Rise is out on the test cluster, Singularity, see if you can spot more changes we've made
Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson Software Director EVE Online, CCP Games |
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Slarti
The Gentlemen of Low Moral Fibre
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Posted - 2008.10.16 00:03:00 -
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Lets get down to the real serious stuff....Will these corp medals be customable by way of design, names, etc?
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Savage Roar
Storm Thesis
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Posted - 2008.10.16 00:06:00 -
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Module buttons (in space) look a teeeeeny bit different. and yes, this is my sig. IBTL |
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CCP Explorer
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Posted - 2008.10.16 00:06:00 -
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Originally by: Mashie Saldana
Originally by: Press Release Continuations of the massive Trinity graphics update
Oh is that the updated graphics for effects/planets/backgrounds/all other non updated stuff?
This is not the conclusion of the Renovation projects that started with Trinity. For example, effects are planned for a later release.
Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson Software Director EVE Online, CCP Games |
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CCP Explorer
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Posted - 2008.10.16 00:10:00 -
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Edited by: CCP Explorer on 16/10/2008 00:10:35
Originally by: Arkady Sadik
Originally by: Nuyan Zahedi How does the storefront stuff on SiSi look like? I'm not sure what to expect of that.
It's basically a way to organize contracts better than the lack of organization contracts currently have.
Note that the Storefront feature as it is currently on Singularity is not complete. The coolest enhancement will land there shortly.
Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson Software Director EVE Online, CCP Games |
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Savage Roar
Storm Thesis
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Posted - 2008.10.16 00:15:00 -
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Weapon linking, will this include the ability to reload all guns with a different ammo type simultaneously? and yes, this is my sig. IBTL |
Ryel Theon
Epiphyte Mining and Exploration Combined Planetary Union
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Posted - 2008.10.16 00:18:00 -
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Now that the server side is going 64-bit will there be 64-bit client builds for those of us who run eve on 64-bit OSes?
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Chaos Incarnate
Faceless Logistics
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Posted - 2008.10.16 00:20:00 -
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Edited by: Chaos Incarnate on 16/10/2008 00:24:47
Originally by: CCP Explorer This is not the conclusion of the Renovation projects that started with Trinity. For example, effects are planned for a later release.
Can I ask what is vaguely going to be included re:graphics update for this patch? __________
Sig by Neth'Rae Cannot read from face Abort, Retry, Fail? FFFFFF |
Helison
Gallente GREY COUNCIL
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Posted - 2008.10.16 00:22:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Explorer ... Later deployments (coming soon to a computer near you) will include even more DB optimisations and Need for Speed improvements, and more features, such as Storefronts, Certificates, Medals, Weapon Grouping, a new industrial ship, and more.
Will this stuff be deployed with one big patch or with several small ones? (For detail: Will the Orca be deployed at the same time as the Certificates etc.)
On the "In Development"-page the production of implants is noted, is this still on the plan for this Midas (i¦ll stay with the codename)?
What about moving mining completly to a exploration based system? Was this scrapped? This would have been a great feature...
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Vietone
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2008.10.16 00:23:00 -
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LoL at people complaining about the Speed rebalance.
It was stupid that a properly fitted cruiser could keep up with a frigate. It was also stupid that some ships could outrun all damage.
There was really no point in training for tech2 destroyers when they were barely effective against tech2 frigates.
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ollobrains2
Gallente New Eve Order Holdings
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Posted - 2008.10.16 00:23:00 -
[86]
planetary interaction ccp 2 years overdue is it coming ? eh
New features sond useful and useless. PVE and PVP seem to be getting love so not bad
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Sarin Adler
Caldari Dark Shadow Cartel
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Posted - 2008.10.16 00:31:00 -
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This was supposed to be an industrial expansion... soemthing apart of Orca ans industrial rebalance *glurp*?
New science & industry itnerface? revamp of t1/named market production? a way to check difference between bpos & bpcs at glance? come on...
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Jack Gilligan
THE MuPPeT FaCTOrY KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2008.10.16 00:37:00 -
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Originally by: Sarin Adler This was supposed to be an industrial expansion... soemthing apart of Orca ans industrial rebalance *glurp*?
New science & industry itnerface? revamp of t1/named market production? a way to check difference between bpos & bpcs at glance? come on...
Why do I feel an Iteron V nerf coming?
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Adam Reed
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
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Posted - 2008.10.16 00:48:00 -
[89]
It's lovely that CCP don't make us cough up the price of a month's subscription for their expansions like other games do, but calling one new ship, a different way to sell the same things, a slightly more user-friendly skill system, a slightly easier way to fire guns, and 'more' an expansion is frankly laughable.
I love this game but sometimes it really does feel like we're having the p!ss taken out of us. Come on chaps, those of us who have been around for years don't want to be made monkeys of. I entirely understand the ghost training decision but putting this nonsense out as an 'expansion' so soon after that is a slap in the face.
I appreciate that you've worked hard on these new features but look at it from the punters' perspective for once, get out of the bunker and look at it from our angle, because from here it's at best amusing, and at worst tragic. -------------
"I don't mean to sound cruel or harsh, but I am, so that's how it comes out." |
Gaius Weyland
Caldari Sankkasen Mining Conglomerate EVESpace
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Posted - 2008.10.16 00:50:00 -
[90]
Looking forward to hearing more details
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Mhaerdirne Solveig
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.10.16 00:56:00 -
[91]
they can't call it midas anymore because it seems like these days everything CCP touches turns to crap instead of gold :( Signature removed. Text is showing as "Signature no longer available" and filesize is well in excess of the allowed 400 x 120 pixels. Navigator |
Syath
Caldari Einherjar Rising Cry Havoc.
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Posted - 2008.10.16 01:12:00 -
[92]
I may sound spoiled... but seriously you cant introduce an expansion without a trailer!!! where is my trailer!!!
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Tabea Knute
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Posted - 2008.10.16 01:16:00 -
[93]
Originally by: Mhaerdirne Solveig they can't call it midas anymore because it seems like these days everything CCP touches turns to crap instead of gold :(
Maybe better: Midas - Inverted. SCNR |
Charjd
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Posted - 2008.10.16 01:44:00 -
[94]
All i want is a skill Que... pretty please
As a new player this skill training is really tedious maybe system that makes it harder to train skills later in the game vs early?
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Savage Roar
Storm Thesis
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Posted - 2008.10.16 01:51:00 -
[95]
i wouldnt mind skill queue where you can add your next skill 5 minutes before current finishes, just so theres no time loss at skill changeover. but taht's about all it should be, ever. and yes, this is my sig. IBTL |
Mallikan
Gallente Plundering Penguins Anarchy.
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Posted - 2008.10.16 01:54:00 -
[96]
Shut up whiners, if you can't be grateful for a single free expansion from this great game company, stfu and leave.
CCP, thanks again for a timely and awesome expansion! I'm looking forward to it. --- lol.. I messed up.
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jever brutor
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Posted - 2008.10.16 01:54:00 -
[97]
Please ad more t1 ships!
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schurem
Anarchy Inc.
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Posted - 2008.10.16 01:56:00 -
[98]
Looking forward to the next step in EvE's evolution However, I still think EvE needs more and better tactical warning sounds.
<<<< No Boundaries, No Fences, Fly Free Or Die Trying >>>>
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Koyama Ise
Caldari Equestrian Knight Order of Lolicon
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Posted - 2008.10.16 02:01:00 -
[99]
Edited by: Koyama Ise on 16/10/2008 02:04:12 SPEED NERF!!!
Screenshot
Run for the hills! As Koyama Ise begins running her legs fly off AHHHH!!! The pain! Crawl for the hills!!! As Koyama Ise begins crawling her arms fly off AHHH!!! NOOO!!! Koyama Ise dies ----- FIX THE BLOODY OVERVIEW ALREADY!!! |
Altaree
Red Frog Investments Blue Sky Consortium
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Posted - 2008.10.16 02:06:00 -
[100]
You guys are big teases.
Blue Sky |
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vonRackham
Gallente Murky Inc. Power Of 3
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Posted - 2008.10.16 02:16:00 -
[101]
Looking good. Skill Queue would be high in my priority list also.
And good job abolishing Ghost training!
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Nekopyat
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Posted - 2008.10.16 02:20:00 -
[102]
Originally by: Seth Novus Quantum Rise is an extremely bad name for an expansion. As anyone who knows just how big a quanta really is can explain to you.
But then again, maybe you are just setting expectations
I'm guessing you have no idea then.
A 'quanta' has no scale, it is mearly a full jump from one level to another where there is no grade between them. It is generally used in the 'quantum' world because math at that scale tends to be pretty discrete.
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Odizzido
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Posted - 2008.10.16 02:34:00 -
[103]
If there is a new BS for drone users....either an upgraded phoon or dominix.....or another upgraded ship with at least 175m drone space I will be pretty happy. But it has to be better(and more expensive) like a Tech2 type thing.
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Kyra Felann
Gallente Noctis Fleet Technologies
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Posted - 2008.10.16 02:35:00 -
[104]
Originally by: Charjd All i want is a skill Que...
A skill what?
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Mankirks Wife
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Posted - 2008.10.16 02:51:00 -
[105]
Originally by: Mallikan Shut up whiners, if you can't be grateful for a single free expansion from this great game company, stfu and leave.
CCP, thanks again for a timely and awesome expansion! I'm looking forward to it.
<standardlameforumrant>OMG EVE IS DYING AND CCP IS TURNING EVE INTO HELLO KITTY ONLINE AND WOW IN SPACE AND SOON THE COLD HARD DARK UNIVERSE WILL BE DEAD AND CAREBEARS WILL RULE ALL AND THERE WILL BE NO RISK VS. REWARD.</standardlameforumrant>
Anyway.. looks pretty solid to me. The main things for us experienced people (stacklass I/O and Eve64) are already in - this expansion seems more geared toward rookies and fleshing out the non-shooty parts of the game.
I'm a tad disappointed.. was hoping for more of an industrial overhaul than a new ship and shiny storefronts, but at least I don't have to stop training my combat skills to train up a bunch of new industry skills so I can keep doing what I was doing already.
Looks pretty solid I'd say. Next expansion should be ambulation I'm hoping, which will be pretty major. ---
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Avenger Garius
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Posted - 2008.10.16 03:03:00 -
[106]
Edited by: Avenger Garius on 16/10/2008 03:05:24
Originally by: Mankirks Wife Next expansion should be ambulation I'm hoping, which will be pretty major.
Anyone hoping for ambulation should have their corpse filled with iron shavings and fired into the EVE gate.
Originally by: EVE Gate Anyone foolish enough to get too close to the gate today will be ripped apart by the magnetic storms that still surround the massive gate.
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Persephone001
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Posted - 2008.10.16 03:05:00 -
[107]
Top marks, CCP. Thanks.
Keep in mind that the speed balancing affects more than just ridiculously fast Minmatar ships (seriously, there's no reason that a HAC should be able to out run an interceptor). It also breaks Gallente blaster boats who are now put at a bigger disadvantage by not being able to close distance. But I'm sure this will be addressed. :)
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Jus Lookin
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Posted - 2008.10.16 03:06:00 -
[108]
I thought station ambulation (walking around) would be in this expansion, with *FUN* ambulatory combat/station missions next expansion and planetary missions, combat and sovereignty the expansion after that. (Note: *FUN* means playtest for fun, not just stability. Current starship combat in Eve is boring, mining even more so. I play Eve for the meta game and social groups. I am hoping you do something to ambulatory combat to make it interest a new demographic and draw a more diverse audience into Eve.)
Star Trek Online (http://www.startrekonline.com/faq) is going to be your only real competition in the next few years, and if you want to keep your player base, you need to have everything they are going to have feature-wise. And if you have it all working before they launch you win. If you have to play feature catch-up... that is not so good.
They already have an entertaining movie, which may or may not reflect game play, but their potential customer base is in the millions. If your game is better (more fun), more stable and has all or almost all of the same features then you should be able to draw part of their customer base your ways.
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soldieroffortune 258
Gallente Trinity Council
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Posted - 2008.10.16 03:07:00 -
[109]
does anyone konw how this weapon linking thing works?
Originally by: soldieroffortune 258
"Eve is about making yourself richer while making the other guy poorer"
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soldieroffortune 258
Gallente Trinity Council
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Posted - 2008.10.16 03:07:00 -
[110]
Originally by: Mallikan Shut up whiners, if you can't be grateful for a single free expansion from this great game company, stfu and leave.
CCP, thanks again for a timely and awesome expansion! I'm looking forward to it.
but contract me your stuff first
cant forget the stuff
Originally by: soldieroffortune 258
"Eve is about making yourself richer while making the other guy poorer"
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Bohoba
Caldari HolyKnights
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Posted - 2008.10.16 03:28:00 -
[111]
Cool CCP thanks,
Now how do I log on to the test server :)
oh........... NM got it thanks
10.5 hours a day do you have what it takes ?
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John Blackthorn
Foundation Sons of Tangra
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Posted - 2008.10.16 03:30:00 -
[112]
Originally by: Esmenet If the speed nerf comes in it, the expansion will suck nomatter what else is in it.
If the speed nerf doesn't come in it, the expansion will suck nomatter what else is in it.
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Stikato
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Posted - 2008.10.16 03:43:00 -
[113]
Wow, I think the threshold of the term "expansion" has reached a new low.
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SSgt Sniper
Gallente MAIDS
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Posted - 2008.10.16 03:52:00 -
[114]
Originally by: Chribba Edited by: Chribba on 15/10/2008 21:47:50 Woooo I gots speedy fingers since my thread was created about 30 min before yours Linkage
edit/And weapon groups sucks until you can link Mining Lasers - which you can't atm!
gouting cause I'm with Chribba. ------- CEO of Maids. No I didn't pick the name. I've grown rather fond of it though.Poor PR in progress!
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Xavier Holtzman
Dark Star Cartel
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Posted - 2008.10.16 03:55:00 -
[115]
Originally by: Samira Melina No idea at all on timing?
all i can tell you is that it will stop once your account goes inactive.
sorry, i couldn't resist. -=Xavier Holtzman=- "I'm in love with a malicious intent." |
Dronnis
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Posted - 2008.10.16 04:21:00 -
[116]
Stop ghost training, gee CCP you must be hard up for money? Do idle accounts threaten your Icelandhoodness? About your release coming up, hmmm they say if you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bullshit. Do I sense a bafflerator? |
headseed
Ars ex Discordia GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.10.16 04:22:00 -
[117]
here's your rundown of "features":
Quote: Further features also include: # Weapon linking to make your onslaught easier # Continuations of the massive Trinity graphics update # Changes to autopilot routes and avoidance techniques # More to be revealed in the coming weeks
Lets examine these "features" one by one. Weapon Linking: hurray! Also proud to say one of my corpies suggested this.
Continuation of the graphics update: In my opinion the graphics update was more about finally getting a 3D accelerated engine that wasn't crap, and less about the shiny new graphics. Most of the graphics just seem like re-textured old models, not sure how massive an update that could be considered. Also, how is finishing up a project from many patches ago a feature of this patch?
Changes to autopilot avoidance mess: Fixing what this broke last patch isn't really a feature of this expansion, its a bug fix. Also I just gotta say that eve explorer web site has been doing whatever it was you hoped to accomplish by adding this functionality to the autopilot fine for years. The new EVE MAP program also seems to manage this task. Its great you are trying to catch up with all of this, but breaking the market with the change was pretty poor.
and #4 the mystery item of "more to be revealed": not really a feature as nothing given yet.
So, lets summarize: 4 bullet items listed as features, one is an actual new feature (weapon linking), and two are either the completion of old projects or the tweaking/bug fixing of them (graphics/autopilot filters), and one is yet to be revealed.
Of course everyone likes bulleted lists, they make everything seem so official and full of content. |
Ygar Curele
Minmatar Ascent of Ages Sc0rched Earth
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Posted - 2008.10.16 04:23:00 -
[118]
Thanks for all your hard work CCP, keep up the good work! |
headseed
Ars ex Discordia GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.10.16 04:25:00 -
[119]
Originally by: Stikato Wow, I think the threshold of the term "expansion" has reached a new low.
Pretty much, seems like a diversionary technique. Smoke and mirrors. |
Inevitability
Caldari Clown Punchers Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.10.16 04:43:00 -
[120]
Originally by: Athelas Loraiel please bring skill que for training...
Sure...
Quantum Leap Quantum Theory Pierce Quantum
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Loyal Servant
Caldari PURE Legion Pure.
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Posted - 2008.10.16 04:44:00 -
[121]
Edited by: Loyal Servant on 16/10/2008 04:44:21 Wait a second!
1. Screw people that use GTCs 2. Screw people that have limited cash on training time 3. lie about the reasons for both 4. Announce a new 'expansion' when droves of people start leaving.
CCP, can you get any lower? More insult to injury... and **** poor damage control.
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The Slayer
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.10.16 04:49:00 -
[122]
Edited by: The Slayer on 16/10/2008 04:50:07
Originally by: ccp The reality of thousands of ships simultaneously engaged in adrenaline-charged combat is at hand and several fleet battles have already been fought using this new technology.
AHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA
*has fleet battle with < 1000 people* *node crashes 4 times* *has to roll back supercapital kill*
Yeh, that server sure is ready for "Thousands of ships simultaneous" alright. Lie to your playerbase all the time why not lie in press releases too :)
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Ancy Denaries
Caldari Amarr Sisterhood of Galactic Sirens
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Posted - 2008.10.16 04:53:00 -
[123]
Edited by: Ancy Denaries on 16/10/2008 04:52:54 Whine tears fuel my life. Keep whining about nerfs people and resist adaption. It keeps me alive!
CCP, two thumbs up for your awesome work!
EDIT: Edited because I can't speel.
Balance is important, but you will always adapt to changing circumstances and you don't whine about stuff you can't change. |
Maria Kalista
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Posted - 2008.10.16 04:55:00 -
[124]
WoW! Graphics update! W00t!
Oh, wait...
Once again we get the short end of the stick don't we? (We = Mac/Linux)
Originally by: CCP Mitnal You put a bear in your tea???
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Wladomir Jed
Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.10.16 04:56:00 -
[125]
now when ghostraining are gone how about a SKILLQUE?
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TimMc
Gallente The Motley Crew
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Posted - 2008.10.16 05:01:00 -
[126]
Does Quantem Rise have ambulation?
And "Weapon linking to make your onslaught easier" sounds useful.
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london
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2008.10.16 05:02:00 -
[127]
Originally by: Seth Novus Quantum Rise is an extremely bad name for an expansion. As anyone who knows just how big a quanta really is can explain to you.
But then again, maybe you are just setting expectations
I think the name rocks actually. Much better than 'empyrean age', that IMHO sounds too medieval or something.
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Sylthi
Minmatar Coreward Pan-Galactic
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Posted - 2008.10.16 05:15:00 -
[128]
Blatant PR stunt. Are you guys up there in CCP PR so worried about your jobs, after the last two PR disasters, you have to rush this out the door? IMHO you SHOULD be worried! Not that anyone who sucks at their job EVER gets fired from CCP; they just call in more people who suck for backup.
Seriously guys, either release some meaningful news, or just let the customers who are hacked off stew in their righteous indignation at your "business as usual" harsh mistreatment of them.
I wish I could tell CCP "good job" like lots of the other "fanboi / dev-alt" people they have in this thread. But, I try REALLY hard not to lie; so....
Back to nap time. Somebody wake me when they actually want to TELL us something about the expansion.
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Mallikan
Gallente Plundering Penguins Anarchy.
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Posted - 2008.10.16 05:23:00 -
[129]
Winers, SHUT THE **** UP or LEAVE already. I am sick of you morons hanging around trying to **** on every little thing. You keep crying, but you keep on paying and playing. All this forum *****ing is only making YOU seem like the ranting proles that you are. You're downing what you call shit like it's a frickin' cake all the while criticizing it. Please, leave already, and save the rest of us your tired hipster bullshit. Go listen to Fallout Boy or something.
(hoping this gets read by the whine-kids before the inevitable moderation of my high bloodpressure rant) --- lol.. I messed up.
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Hans Zarkov
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Posted - 2008.10.16 05:25:00 -
[130]
Dear CCP, What about planetary interaction such as ability to possible to land on planets, mine etc. as it was seen in Frontier: Elite II back in 93'? If they could do it succesfully back then, why can't you do it now?
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Washell Olivaw
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Posted - 2008.10.16 05:43:00 -
[131]
Originally by: Hans Zarkov Edited by: Hans Zarkov on 16/10/2008 05:25:22 Dear CCP, What about planetary interaction such as ability to land on planets, mine them etc. as it was seen in Frontier: Elite II back in 93'? If they could do it succesfully back then, why can't you do it now?
They can do it now. They have tech demos of doing it now. Polishing it to release worthy state is apparently scheduled for another time, if scheduled at all.
Originally by: Signature Everybody has a photographic memory, some people just don't have film.
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Staberind
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Posted - 2008.10.16 05:53:00 -
[132]
Attention Capsuleers! The news you've all been waiting for, aka "After watching thousands of you worriedly resub to check your skill training, we relent, and allow you to ghost train, thanks for the cash injection...", is finally here. EVE Online: Quantum Rise will bring new features, content and technology to New Eden. For more information, check out our newest press release.
so, whats going to be a bug, in a few years time, and whats going to be a feature?
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Hasimir Hawat
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Posted - 2008.10.16 05:58:00 -
[133]
Are there any tech III items in this addition or better yet more rat intelligence and interaction.... blah blah blah
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Aegur
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Posted - 2008.10.16 06:00:00 -
[134]
Edited by: Aegur on 16/10/2008 06:00:59
Quote: The reality of thousands of ships simultaneously engaged in adrenaline-charged combat is at hand and several fleet battles have already been fought using this new technology.
I LOL-ed there. Unless they mean thousands of people simulteanously fighting spread out over at least 20 systems.. I don't know what they have been smoking but I want some. This is the biggest bunch of bullshit ever in a fancy marketing release about nothing.
GG CCP.
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Quicktime
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Posted - 2008.10.16 06:03:00 -
[135]
"Wow" all the canceled accounts over the terrible design decisions now playable on SISI, (go form your own opinion donÆt take my word for it) caused CCP to create a press release and rename the Expand-o-Nerf to combat, creating more broken fluff to cover up the fact that they aren't fixing the real problems in the game play.
Using art resources to create interface elements is easy, programming them harder, but you know it doesn't effect game play in any positive sense, it's another attempt to "reward" what we already have, and give the young new players more guidance on what is happening, more spoon feeding, and hey we are designing this new game lets test the system on the current customer base, if it sucks we can find out now instead of when we release the new game to hopefully double our revenue stream, because EVE is only going to get so big.
Before you load us up with more crap finish this game, and then leave it alone. I know it's a thankless job, and you get *****ed for every decision you make right or wrong, you know if I sat in a design session and said hey lets have all the players sit still, and shoot a big sphere "POS shield" in a void with another textured sphere near by "moon" you guys would laugh me out of the room, and say nobody will like sitting still and shooting at something for hours, how could that be fun? This is the current state of POS warfare, and one example of many that has a long way to go.
Will walking in stations provide the technology for the new game, and provide this one with the ability for the players to land on the planets? If so Great!
Is the reason for the speed nerf really to do with walking in stations? Did we hit the limit of what can be simulated while people wander around a station, and combat is taking place? Was affecting combat in space? If so is the speed nerf required to fix this issue? I am sure spending the 20-30 mil on art and technology, with an eye toward the Vampire's game use of this tech only to find out it was going cripple space combat is a terrible reality to face, is killing the speed the only choice and forcing bad design decisions the only solution at this point? If so tell us we are smart people, get your engineers in public at bit more tell us the truth.
If your are a dev and burnt out on making this game, which would make perfect sense to me after this many years of doing it, any new game would be good, hire people that care taking this game to the next level, its only one of its kind in the world, and can get better.
White Wolf was cheap because the games they made aren't very popular by the way, Vampire's are cool, but you don't own them, and have the only Space game worth playing ever since the day of Elite on my Apple 2. Many people can put a vampire class or even create a vampire based game, the word Masquerade is not a sales point. My prediction is that Eve will remain more popular then Vampire.
I waste my time on this because I care about Eve, have been in your shoes, the last two years have been great, looking forward to two more! Yes I am a game developer, 18 years of it, yes a lot of what I am saying above is guess work based on the reality of making games, and yes I have had to deal with people like me on forums for games like this.
Keep the fire burning guys, finish this game it's the best I have played, don't let it die!
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No1ne
Caldari R.U.S.T. G00DFELLAS
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Posted - 2008.10.16 06:12:00 -
[136]
so far i only like the certification stuff, seems like a great idea
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A Sinner
THE MuPPeT FaCTOrY KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2008.10.16 06:12:00 -
[137]
how can a quantum rise? isn't that a paradox ? ----------------------- "There are no ugly women, just men who didn't have enough to drink" |
Hasimir Hawat
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Posted - 2008.10.16 06:14:00 -
[138]
Im new to this game so I dont know all the history and i like it that way.. cant wait for the new expansion expand expand expand its free...
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Leica Stroganow
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Posted - 2008.10.16 06:24:00 -
[139]
Originally by: Hasimir Hawat Im new to this game so I dont know all the history and i like it that way.. cant wait for the new expansion expand expand expand its free...
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=896318&page=131
And nerv,nerv,nerv,nerv after the noobs had payed
CCP you SUCK
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Sexiest Beast
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.10.16 06:44:00 -
[140]
When I read the part about "rebalancing" industrials I could swear it translated into nerf the Iteron V
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Prototype X53A
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Posted - 2008.10.16 06:45:00 -
[141]
Mmm I think getting rid of ghost training is a bad idea, and will lead to less reactivations of old accounts, which must be a notable portion of CCP's income.
I am a good example of a ghost trainer. I used to have four accounts, but decided I'd tone down my addiction, and went to 2, then 1 account. The other characters sit there training long skills, then when finished, i pay for a month / buy a GTC, train a new skill and collect datacores from their research agents.
Without ghost training, I'd be less likely to pay for a month to reactivate my account. Therefore CCP lose money.
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Bruce Deorum
Minmatar Mythos Corp RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2008.10.16 06:48:00 -
[142]
- AP avoidance...
WTF is that. This is supposed to be a major expansion, not a simple bug fixing patch (after all im sure, there will be a lot of patches after this "expantion")
- Weapon linking.
Well, its a new feature. But 6 months for that? (actually 12 months, cause FW did mean nothing to me & to most people)
- Certifates.
Seems interesting. No more content though
- Trinity graphics update.
Well it depends on what these updates are going to be. If it's gonna be, major redetailed model im ok (or better missile effects etc.) But something tells me that its gonna be minor graphics improvisations, bearly noticable only in patch notes.
Sum
This would be good if we were talking for a patch. But i dont know how it can stand as an expantion. Of course there is the "much more to be revealed..." so we wait!
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ArmyOfMe
Developmental Neogenics Amalgamated
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Posted - 2008.10.16 07:03:00 -
[143]
you forgot to mention the massive nerfs in the press release
the entire thing should be renamed expantion of the nerfs imo.
Originally by: deadmaus
Because by the time we had calmed Plague down after he heard BoB were back in the vicinity it was too late to do anything |
Blake Tollerance
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Posted - 2008.10.16 07:06:00 -
[144]
OMG lets tell em about the expansion they already knew was coming but not tell them anything about it!!! that will stop them from cancelling their accounts!
CCP give me ghost training back and i might give a f.
Van.
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Vergil 577
Gallente MAIDS
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Posted - 2008.10.16 07:08:00 -
[145]
So... is there anything actually cool in this expansion or is it just a frilly way to make the lower part of my sig come true?
EVE 2009 |
Rramar Claime
Amarr Task Force Zener Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2008.10.16 07:10:00 -
[146]
Discuss what? Nice ok cool sounds good as always. Theres nothing new in this news article, not even a date. Only the name of the expansion is new.
All i ask CCP is please! set an extended extended downtime so you dont have to **** off noob skilltrainers by not starting up on time. It's really easy. Just add a few hours to your plan and everyone will be happy. Doesnt need super PR marketing employees really...
"I cherish the memories of a question my grandson asked me the other day, when he said; 'Grandpa, were you a hero in the war?' Grandpa said, 'No, but I served in a company of heroes." |
Miyamoto Uroki
Caldari Katsu Corporation
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Posted - 2008.10.16 07:12:00 -
[147]
Originally by: Bruce Deorum - AP avoidance...
WTF is that. This is supposed to be a major expansion, not a simple bug fixing patch (after all im sure, there will be a lot of patches after this "expantion")
- Weapon linking.
Well, its a new feature. But 6 months for that? (actually 12 months, cause FW did mean nothing to me & to most people)
- Certifates.
Seems interesting. No more content though
- Trinity graphics update.
Well it depends on what these updates are going to be. If it's gonna be, major redetailed model im ok (or better missile effects etc.) But something tells me that its gonna be minor graphics improvisations, bearly noticable only in patch notes.
Sum
This would be good if we were talking for a patch. But i dont know how it can stand as an expantion. Of course there is the "much more to be revealed..." so we wait!
Word... seems ccp is blowing up it's expansion, for example a few years back they didn't pretend that occasionel patches were part of a "staged" expansion deployment. You better have some real good additions in your "...and much more" part, otherwise don't call it an expansion...
Originally by: Puupuu dude... your face
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Halo Thane
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Posted - 2008.10.16 07:26:00 -
[148]
Ninth FREE expansion. ?? your getting paid per month to provide it. By alot of people you keep stiffing.
A little smoke and mirrors ooh Nerf, no Ghost Training and another Nerf
Stop trying to be so good at PR spin rubbish and go back to doing what you did well. Provide a great game in the way your customers want to play it. Thats what you were great at. Releasing a nothing statement that appears to come along in an attempt to redirect people from the general shafting you have been dealing out seems a great PR idea.
Lets see Skillques, or return ghost training. I look forward to the expansion details and I appreciate the effort that goes into the updates. However this is just spin to hide your recent failings towards your customers.
Sad to see such a cheap trick. Your much better than this I beleive that.
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Dr Prometheus
Caldari Gears of Construction
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Posted - 2008.10.16 07:28:00 -
[149]
Hmm another overpriced capital ship and yes can it been used in high sec as mentioned? At least say to use that you also have new mining ships wich more lasers and stuff otherwise this is just a big laugh. P.s.: You marketing people needs replacement. Even an amateur company has better press releases...
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MikhailBakunin
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.10.16 07:29:00 -
[150]
Hey guys, how about you pay to play a game you want to play? Stop whinging about the cancellation of ghost training, there IS stuff you can do while you train a skill you know...
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PapaKarlo
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Posted - 2008.10.16 07:31:00 -
[151]
> Weapon linking to make your onslaught easier
Blog! blog! Please give us a DEV BLOG about this feature!!!
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TigerXtrm
BIG Libertas Fidelitas
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Posted - 2008.10.16 07:36:00 -
[152]
Hm... I hate to be a CCP basher but with everything that's been going on lately, I'm getting the impression they have an EA infestation somewhere in the building, causing them to screw up everything.
I mean, Quantum Rise? Not a single amount of lying paragraphs is going to convince me that you people came up with that title all yourself. Just like the James Bond title this title makes absolutely no sense when you know what it means. It just sounds and looks cool and interesting because it has a Q in it. That was one Quantum **** up, see how interesting that made me look?
As for your press release, the damn thing held more advertising then actual NEWS:
"EVE is this! EVE is blabla! EVE is player friendly! Love EVE! Oh and here is some stuff which might make it into the winter expansion but since we don't know yet we can't really say. But hey at least it diverts your short attention spans away from the giant tree we just shoved up your ass by announcing we were turning an official feature of the game into a bug because we need mo'money! Yea that was really unfriendly of us but luckily no-one will stay mad at us for long as long as we promise you cool stuff which isn't going to be half as cool as we made it sound!"
Independent? Tss from the looks of things CCP is as independent as a Scandinavian hooker on crack...
www.BIG-EVE.com | BIG is Recruiting!
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Arkady Sadik
Gradient Electus Matari
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Posted - 2008.10.16 07:40:00 -
[153]
Weapon linking on SiSi: Unload all your weapons, right-click on the nice white triangle for module stuff (where you can hide inactive modules), and select "linking mode" or something. Drag same weapons on top of each other. Right-click on the triangle again, exit linking mode. Load ammo into weapon, be happy.
It's still a bit buggy, though.
I'm quite interested in what other changes will make it to SiSi. That the store fronts aren't "done" the way they are is nice. The S&I interface revamp is also missing still, though it might not have made it into midas. Then there's the new mass/inertia modifier numbers they promised in the live dev blog. And I haven't seen any of the updated graphics yet.
My personal favorite in this thread so far is the tinfoil conspiracy that the winter expansion that is in the talks for months now, and actually part of the regular expansion schedule, was "put out" now only to cover "PR disasters" - cute one, I give 9/10.
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Sirial Soulfly
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Posted - 2008.10.16 07:47:00 -
[154]
When are we going to see a proper expansion again ?
This one seems to be a bit meager, where are the glory days of the exodus, cold war and red moon rising expansions?
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ArmyOfMe
Developmental Neogenics Amalgamated
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Posted - 2008.10.16 07:49:00 -
[155]
shouldnt the op be locked due to lack of content?
were are the mods when you need them
Originally by: deadmaus
Because by the time we had calmed Plague down after he heard BoB were back in the vicinity it was too late to do anything |
the member
Minmatar Republic University
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Posted - 2008.10.16 07:53:00 -
[156]
Originally by: ArmyOfMe shouldnt the op be locked due to lack of content?
were are the mods when you need them
qft
Quote: "You're obviously from France." -- Intel CEO Paul Ottelini
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lost soel
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Posted - 2008.10.16 07:53:00 -
[157]
Cool new expansion; Yes I am happy for it. BUT, are all the known bugs will be fix before then or will it be stacked on the old ones and we will more headaches. Plus will the know lags be taken as well?
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ChiseFu
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Posted - 2008.10.16 07:56:00 -
[158]
quantum nerf
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Gombar
Caldari No Wise Guy's
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Posted - 2008.10.16 08:09:00 -
[159]
Edited by: Gombar on 16/10/2008 08:10:14 Ok, let's get things strait. CCP is a company, that like all companies is required to pay bills. In difference to common reception, they run an extremly expensive hardware setup which get's more and more expensive since they still buy hardware instead of investing in software (which is often no bad decision). They reached a capacity limit in thier service that they could not easly overcome or at least only gradualy. So there is a clear end in growth by numbers. So CCP decided to maximize income by increasing the price: - Make GTC more expensive (30%?) - Shrink the unpaying userbase (ghosttraining) Does this make the game less appealing? I don't think so.
Does this Expansion leave the feeling behind it, there is no much new? Yes for sure. I think CCP is mainly consumed to fight lag and allow more users to play s.a. So why concentrate your efforts on drawing in more players by cool new features, if your not able to serve them.
Makes sense to me
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Shaun Livingstone
iMine Industries
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Posted - 2008.10.16 08:14:00 -
[160]
Originally by: all too many forumwarriors SKILLQUE
For the love of GOD it's spelled "queue" and not "que".
Wiktionary explains:
Queue
Que
Stupid is stupid and will never be internetcool. --
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Todoshi
Caldari Caldari Logistics and Supplies
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Posted - 2008.10.16 08:15:00 -
[161]
Originally by: the member
Originally by: ArmyOfMe shouldnt the op be locked due to lack of content?
were are the mods when you need them
qft
This.
and imho its a pretty lame excuse for an expansion thus far, heres hoping whatever they havn't annoced turns out to be good
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5tagger Lee
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Posted - 2008.10.16 08:15:00 -
[162]
What happend to Ambulation ?
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DjLowballer
Amarr FLASHTROOPER CORP
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Posted - 2008.10.16 08:17:00 -
[163]
I think we should wait for more details before we judge this expansion. Also as it will be an industrial expansion some of the details are going to frankly be boring / not make sense to people who have never built anything, do not trade, haul, etc.
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Level5
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Posted - 2008.10.16 08:19:00 -
[164]
Please tell us the Orca is allowed in Highsec, otherwise i predict more ppl leaving...
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Gigi Barbagrigia
Malevolent Intentions
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Posted - 2008.10.16 08:19:00 -
[165]
You know where the caravan is heading when they start press releases where they refer to themselves in third person.
Once upon a time there was this nice little online game. Then they hired 300 people to screw it up.
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Lord Fitz
Project Amargosa
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Posted - 2008.10.16 08:31:00 -
[166]
Edited by: Lord Fitz on 16/10/2008 08:33:45
Originally by: Gombar Edited by: Gombar on 16/10/2008 08:10:14 Ok, let's get things strait. CCP is a company, that like all companies is required to pay bills. In difference to common reception, they run an extremly expensive hardware setup which get's more and more expensive since they still buy hardware instead of investing in software (which is often no bad decision). They reached a capacity limit in thier service that they could not easly overcome or at least only gradualy. So there is a clear end in growth by numbers. So CCP decided to maximize income by increasing the price: - Make GTC more expensive (30%?) - Shrink the unpaying userbase (ghosttraining) Does this make the game less appealing? I don't think so.
The thing is the 'unpaying' userbase, takes up 0 system resources. And still pays them some money. The result of this change will be the lost of the money from anyone who ever reactivated their account because they wanted to see what that skill that they left on when they QUIT is like. Now there's no incentive for that, and alot of people will be dumping alts. So instead of getting paid some money for chars that regularly login, they are going to get paid only by chars that login alot, but only pay for less accounts. So what they need to provide per customer will go up, and the total number of customers will go down as it already has hugely to prompt this ignorant change.
CCP pay alot of their bills in ISK, they earn their income in USD and Euros. The ISK has crashed recently vs the USD/Euro, which means that they would need a huge drop off in subscriptions to not be more profitable now than they have ever been.
They're spinning themselves into a failure cascade by denying themselves revenue because people have decided the game is not worth the money. Now more people will and more will until they really start being in actual trouble.
Hardware by the way, is getting cheaper all the time, so their hardware cost to service each player has dropped dramatically since the game was released, due to advances both in the hardware and the game code. (Factory slots and skill training etc are all coded so they have 0 impact on the game anymore, unless a player is actually logged in and doing things). This is how it should be, someone at CCP was smart enough to implement this, but their PR department is obviously at the other end of the building from anyone remotely intelligent.
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Decker Mourn
DS Industries
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Posted - 2008.10.16 08:31:00 -
[167]
I find the number of players complaining that they can't improve their characters for free to be pretty funny. I bet these same people quit WoW for six months and came back expecting to have leveled to 60 while on cruise control.
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ClimberDave
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Posted - 2008.10.16 08:36:00 -
[168]
Sounds more like a patch than an expansion in all fairness. 1 new ship it will probably take me 4 months to train and use... nice. Why do some people on here claim this is a free expansion? I pay ú15ish a month...that ain't free, about standard for a normal expansion pack but then again when BF2:SF was released I only paid that ú15 once...not every month. The updates that come with Eve are far...far...far from free...so...STFU.
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Booomer
Disco Biscuits
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Posted - 2008.10.16 08:37:00 -
[169]
WOOHOO more features, more lag, more CCP lameness!!!
(BUT HEY GUYS, ITS FREE STUFF)
( WE STILL WILL SHIT ON YOU PAYING CUSTOMERS, REALLY SOON (tm))
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barby doll
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Posted - 2008.10.16 08:42:00 -
[170]
lol, stop all your whining. If your unhappy quit eve and go play WoW..........
Speed had been imbalanced for ages, we all know it.
lag has been around for ages...we all know it.
Stop whining, its like a broken record, you keep bringing this stuff up as if your chewing on it like stale vomit
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Lord Fitz
Project Amargosa
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Posted - 2008.10.16 08:43:00 -
[171]
Originally by: Decker Mourn I find the number of players complaining that they can't improve their characters for free to be pretty funny. I bet these same people quit WoW for six months and came back expecting to have leveled to 60 while on cruise control.
That's not what they're complaining about.
a) the amount that they can train is limited b) they have to PAY to get that improvement c) it will have a negative impact on CCPs finances (and not just from these people who do quit, but from all those who do not resubscribe because they lost that incentive). d) These people don't play WoW. Or if they do, they certainly won't be playing Eve again. e) Eve is not in ANY way comparable to WoW, doing so just makes you look stupid. Go back to WoW. f) The players 'complaining' have probably almost all spent more money on Eve than the average Eve player. g) Anyone who did use this, will now find their char is worth more as a result of the change. h) CCP are deliberately or negligently lying about the reasons for this change i) The notice given was pathetic. j) It is a FEATURE which was deliberately put in the game, it is NOT a feature of the Chinese version that launched years ago with an almost identical code base, so if it was unintended they could have with no effort 'fixed' it at that time k) It was advertised in the player guide, the forums, and word of mouth to other players.
But no, just reduce it to 'whining that they can't get something for free' and you show the level of consideration required to be employed at CCP.
Personally I would rather they put the subscription cost up, I don't mind paying more for the game, I think the impact this will have on the server population and CCP's finances are far worse than any impact it will have on me. (It's not going to affect me 'directly').
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DeTox MinRohim
Madhatters Inc. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2008.10.16 08:47:00 -
[172]
<reserved>
Training "Whinage" level 4... Will be back later!
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Koyama Ise
Caldari Equestrian Knight Order of Lolicon
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Posted - 2008.10.16 08:55:00 -
[173]
Edited by: Koyama Ise on 16/10/2008 08:54:50
Originally by: barby doll Speed had been imbalanced for ages, we all know it.
Wait bloody enter thingy's borked ------ FIX THE BLOODY OVERVIEW ALREADY! SPEED NERF! RUN FOR THE HILLS! |
Gunnar Jochen
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Posted - 2008.10.16 09:04:00 -
[174]
Originally by: A Sinner how can a quantum rise? isn't that a paradox ?
Its simple really.....the GTC price rise......the monthly account cost rise......CCP taking the rise.......so obviously the new expansion had to be called Quantum RISE.....
hmm is that a new item there too i see in the expansion....True CCP Damage control I/II.....fits in the lowest of the lowest slots in the sinking ship
Sorry but it sucks big time. for months and months now, there has been forum posting after forum posting and not one with any mention of a definite date etc of the "winter" expansion, yet here we are within a few days of considerably serious actions...no sanctions! on the gameplay of EVE you announce the rollout of the long awaited expansion.
will the last one to leave the building switch off the lights please
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Gothikia
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Posted - 2008.10.16 09:07:00 -
[175]
2 issues...
1 - Just who the hell names these damn expansions? Exodus, Cold War and Revelations have been the best names so far. Red Moon Rising, Empyrean Age and now Quantum Rise are the "WTF?" names. Only way Quantum Rise is cool is if it has sexual undertones.
2 - Press release before doing it the old way and saying, "Hai you guys! New expansion, w0000000000t! Heres whats going on in it, blah blah blah."? And then proceeds the usual forum orgy (that'll do saucy ) that is assosiated with an expansion.
In the year that i've been "gone", have you dude and dudettes lost your cool?
Please tell me you guys still get wasted so I can give you hot Gothie loving. ---
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Sean Drake
Caldari Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2008.10.16 09:08:00 -
[176]
Does it include a fix to stop embarassing threads vanishing
If Goons AND BoB are agreeing with each other that your idea is stupid, it's probably stupid.
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Ackwell
Imperial Pharmacy
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Posted - 2008.10.16 09:12:00 -
[177]
The already announced additions are great role-playwise! And actually I am waiting for the speed nerf... My AF will annihilate your annoying interceptors now! MUAHAHAHA!
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Bartholomeus Crane
Gallente The Crane Family
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Posted - 2008.10.16 09:20:00 -
[178]
If this is supposed to be the 'industrialist' expansion, are you planning to do something about T2 BPOs?
They're currently interfering with the efficient working of the T2 market, and have been doing so since the introduction of invention.
At that time there was a discussion about replacing them with long-run T2 BPCs (like with the unlimited run BPCs), or introducing something like 'reverse engineering' that turns invented T2 BPCs into T2 BPOs that can be researched.
Either way, if the plan is to (also) wrap-up a long list of outstanding issues in this expansion, this is an issue that hasn't been addressed for a long time, is of a lot of interest to a large number of non-privileged industrialists, and would provide a fair and equal opportunity for all in T2 market PvP.
Looking forward to the expansion. -- Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? |
Carden
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.10.16 09:22:00 -
[179]
CCP???
With the newest move by CCP I believe we should call in Eddie Muntz to help with PR. Wait that's been done, could we get some real information? |
Sue Mee
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Posted - 2008.10.16 09:26:00 -
[180]
are free expansions also a bug, formerly called feature?
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Setnom
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Posted - 2008.10.16 09:27:00 -
[181]
Originally by: Aokie Continuations of the massive Trinity graphics update. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Yay, it's about time.
I hope that means official anti-aliasing support. PLEASE, give us that!!
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Azran Zala
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Posted - 2008.10.16 09:29:00 -
[182]
Looking forward to a bigger industrial... but how different is that from a freighter with slots? Anyways I just hope it wont require a sick about on training in a worhtless direction.
On the topic of goest training... If thats been nerfed. NOW CAN WE PLEEEESE HAVE A TRAINING CUE, even if its only limited to queue levels of same skill. Then I wont have to look over my shoulder every hour or so at work, while loggin in to train lol.
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Medusa d'Mon
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Posted - 2008.10.16 09:32:00 -
[183]
Recent events have reminded me of a typical Gordon Brown budget speech. "I will reduce income tax by 0.1% in 18 months time and fuel duty will be going up by 5p a litre tomorrow".
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Pliauga
Gallente Federal Defence Union
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Posted - 2008.10.16 09:40:00 -
[184]
I wanted to shout all that MORE INFO stuff, and "quantum NERF" and so on. But then I started thinking.
This anouncement is obviuosly crap, as the only piece of info was that the Ocra is coming. Everything else is allready known. BUT, this IS an early anouncement, so I expect shitloads to come. For one thing, i'm happy I found out about this expansion from CCP and not some third party. So, I guess it's a very cautious "GO CCP" from me.
But you better NOT disapoint me
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Shidousha
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.10.16 09:40:00 -
[185]
I propose a change of the title to "EVE Online: Fund Rise" - subtitle "no, you cannot place your character to sleep until we fixed the worst bugs and continue training anyway"
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Miracle Zizo
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Posted - 2008.10.16 09:43:00 -
[186]
hope that with this patch ccp will nerf the nano.
and the the new industrial ship : ccp come on we where waitting for it , give ussome more clues
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Alexia Diana
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Posted - 2008.10.16 09:50:00 -
[187]
CCP, do you think that all the stuff from your latest expansions makes the game more fun?
I mean, you have a vast, boring, empty space (space game, hello?), that you need to make it more attractive. You have to work on ISK making to make it more fun. Damn, i like to blow stuff, but if for this i have to spend countless hours doing robotic stuff like ratting, exploration or missions, then the game sucks.
Also, it seems hypocritical that in a niche game like EVE, niche professions like exploration are, well, boring and not looked upon.
CCP GIVE US A REAL EXPANSION, NOT SOME SMALL CHANGE!
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Katana Seiko
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.10.16 09:51:00 -
[188]
Well, let's see what the Press release says...
Quote: [...]announced the launch of the ninth free expansion for EVE Online[...]
This means "There will be an other patch".
Quote: [...]expanding a boundless universe into a limitless one.[...]
No need for that anymore... The last act of "Need for Speed", "Removal of Ghost Training" will clear your servers of a few thousand accounts that will most likely not be reactivated...
Out of curiosity: How many GB can you free by deleting all inactive trial accounts that were never paid for? --- "Multiple exclamation marks are a sure sign for a diseased mind." -Terry Pratchett |
Midas Man
Caldari Dzark Asylum
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Posted - 2008.10.16 10:01:00 -
[189]
Erm will there actually be any useful content then.
Store Fronts, not exactly ground breaking, useful but seen it before and its only a small change to the contracts UI.
Medal/Certificates. Pretty much fluff going down the WOW route etc.
So where is the actuall expansion?
Doesn't seem like much?
What happened to Midas, surely store fronts and a new ship isn't the Massive Industrial patch we have been promised?
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Dangrou
Caldari Holy Grail Constructiion
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Posted - 2008.10.16 10:06:00 -
[190]
I would like to whine whine f***ing whine whilst at the same time secretly glow with sensual pleasure at the announcement of a new patch.
FFS GROW UP!!!!
If you want a static non-changing game go and buy a single player game. You will have no changes to cry about and no subscription charges to pay.
Oh but you wont be able to go to the forums slag off the company for making you pay for changes you pretend you dont want. Ok see you next time cos we all know you aren't going anywhere
Dangrou Hating the haters
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Rutger Centemus
Gallente Joint Empire Squad
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Posted - 2008.10.16 10:07:00 -
[191]
Seems like the PR - Department really is running the show now. Me thinks they could do with a little bit of training - might I suggest primary school?
Originally by: Bartholomeus Crane If this is supposed to be the 'industrialist' expansion, are you planning to do something about T2 BPOs?
They're currently interfering with the efficient working of the T2 market, and have been doing so since the introduction of invention.
At that time there was a discussion about replacing them with long-run T2 BPCs (like with the unlimited run BPCs), or introducing something like 'reverse engineering' that turns invented T2 BPCs into T2 BPOs that can be researched.
Either way, if the plan is to (also) wrap-up a long list of outstanding issues in this expansion, this is an issue that hasn't been addressed for a long time, is of a lot of interest to a large number of non-privileged industrialists, and would provide a fair and equal opportunity for all in T2 market PvP. ...
Not this shit again. No, I don't own t2 bpo's. Yes, I think you're 100% wrong. *** My opinions are my own, and don't necessarily represent those of my corpmembers. |
Cailais
Amarr VITOC
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Posted - 2008.10.16 10:07:00 -
[192]
Ok, so we've got storefronts for the cotnract system, and an Orca.
Is that it? I feel slightly underwhelmed tbh.
C.
Originally by: Tarminic Your continued whining is somewhat diminished by your continued willingness to give your money to CCP.
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IsiL'Nom
The Forsakened Companions IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2008.10.16 10:17:00 -
[193]
In the middle of the hurricane - after all that fleet lags, game time cards mess, "ghost" training "bug", and stuff.. u throw this at a very haste way to do what?? stop ppl crying?
In my eyes u treat ppl like 12+ years old as ur games indicate at ratings... too bad ppl.
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Daan Sai
Polytrope
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Posted - 2008.10.16 10:18:00 -
[194]
Quantum Rise - n - the smallest software increment that can be called an expansion, rather than a patch. Necessary for pointless 'Event/Launch' driven marekting strategy.
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Midas Man
Caldari Dzark Asylum
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Posted - 2008.10.16 10:18:00 -
[195]
Originally by: Cailais Ok, so we've got storefronts for the cotnract system, and an Orca.
Is that it? I feel slightly underwhelmed tbh.
C.
Me thinks they have rushed this out to try to make the 1000's people they just ****ed off happy again.
but unfortunately there **** poor marketing didn't see that a new patch so big that can be implement in normal daily downtime erm I mean expansion would only ruffle more feathers seen as it was promised to be a much needed industrial expansion.
So where is all the stuff?????
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Cpt Krudd
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.10.16 10:19:00 -
[196]
Wow! A press release that tells the players nothing that they didn't know already.
Shame you couldn't announce the removal of Ghost Training a few months in advance instead of 2 weeks after your Power Of 2 promotion expired.
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Sareth Leverpuller
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Posted - 2008.10.16 10:27:00 -
[197]
I don't care about ghost training or anything, but seriously, please don't make missles worse. If that happens, my whole playing style will be screwed up.
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Borg 101
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Posted - 2008.10.16 10:30:00 -
[198]
x2 free expansions in 1 year w000000ttt!
...but even through all the whines, we will still be in game. no matter what`s called.
ccp rocks!
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Azran Zala
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Posted - 2008.10.16 10:34:00 -
[199]
Originally by: Sareth Leverpuller I don't care about ghost training or anything, but seriously, please don't make missles worse. If that happens, my whole playing style will be screwed up.
Oh F***... I cant even fit a turret! Please dont dull my missles... if anything they need to be improved a little. XP
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Dr Prometheus
Caldari Gears of Construction
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Posted - 2008.10.16 10:36:00 -
[200]
Edited by: Dr Prometheus on 16/10/2008 10:37:12 Edited by: Dr Prometheus on 16/10/2008 10:36:58 Well if the pack doesnt contain anything like this:
- More industrial types (Badger Mkv or something.) Wich can have a cargohold of aprox. 50k max. - Transport Ships boost with more cargo bit like the mini-freighter here below. - Small Industrial Freighters (between 100k and 300k) - A high-sec rorqual/mining command ship. - Increase of cargo of the existing miningbarges/exhumers. - Industrial implants (like more implants to increase yield/max range of stripminer and decrease time cycle, faster construction/cheaper with materials) - Better way to carry rigged ships. Instead of flying them one at a time. - Improved POS looks. (Like the dead horse topic) But if the front banner is correct and thats a POS you finaly listened.
Its just a pathetic patch on steroids.
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Azran Zala
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Posted - 2008.10.16 10:40:00 -
[201]
Originally by: Dr Prometheus
- Better way to carry rigged ships. Instead of flying them one at a time.
Ditto.
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Lukas Rox
Torchwood Archive
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Posted - 2008.10.16 10:55:00 -
[202]
Originally by: Dr Prometheus
- Better way to carry rigged ships. Instead of flying them one at a time.
/signed 10x times
Orca was expected to show up, both devblogs and SQL database dump indicated such thing coming. Better say WHEN we will get walking in stations. Because that's what I was expecting to see from the next expansion... mentioned thousands of times and now... no walking in stations but small 1 ship patch instead? Come on... --- Visit in game for nice items links http://eve.interkam.pl/eveships
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Capt Willard
State Protectorate
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Posted - 2008.10.16 10:56:00 -
[203]
Weapon Linking....
Is this just something where you can link your guns together into one activation button (with maybe a few way to customise), thus reducing the lag caused by 200 people in a fleet battle pressing f1-8 in quick succesion?? The Horror...... |
Amantus
Gallente 0utbreak
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Posted - 2008.10.16 10:57:00 -
[204]
Originally by: Azran Zala
Originally by: Dr Prometheus
- Better way to carry rigged ships. Instead of flying them one at a time.
Ditto.
This. EVE really needs a jump-drive ship carrier. Like a jump freighter, but with a massive ship maintenance bay and a modest cargo bay for carrying modules. ------------
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Abrazzar
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Posted - 2008.10.16 10:58:00 -
[205]
Considering this expansion is supposed to be industry oriented, the feature list is more than incomplete. The most important parts are still "to be announced".
-------- Ideas for: Mining
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RedSplat
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Posted - 2008.10.16 11:12:00 -
[206]
Was the codename 'Midas' a sneaky cry for help by Devs that marketing and PR are dictating game development?
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DukeHilton
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Posted - 2008.10.16 11:14:00 -
[207]
Oh... GREAT... let's add more crap to the already huge pile of bugs and things that CCP refuses to fix...
Hey, let's throw in yet another piece of bad programming.
FIX the existing BUGS first CCP before you start messing around with new stuff.
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Drumul Oaselor
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Posted - 2008.10.16 11:15:00 -
[208]
more ships! I love new ships, I don't care what they do
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Daan Sai
Polytrope
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Posted - 2008.10.16 11:17:00 -
[209]
Where is *T3*
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Jinx Barker
GFB Scientific
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Posted - 2008.10.16 11:20:00 -
[210]
All I have to say is "LoL" <<Click The Siggy For the Blog>>
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W3370Pi4
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.10.16 11:23:00 -
[211]
Edited by: W3370Pi4 on 16/10/2008 11:23:55 well i cant wait for the details *********************************************
Vitreous Mercoxit ! What else |
Dapto
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Posted - 2008.10.16 11:25:00 -
[212]
Graphics upgrade whoot!!!! oh no my graphics card wont run it
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wollschoof
Gallente Chaos Y Diversion
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Posted - 2008.10.16 11:31:00 -
[213]
Originally by: Dr Prometheus Edited by: Dr Prometheus on 16/10/2008 10:37:12 Edited by: Dr Prometheus on 16/10/2008 10:36:58 Well if the pack doesnt contain anything like this:
- More industrial types (Badger Mkv or something.) Wich can have a cargohold of aprox. 50k max. - Transport Ships boost with more cargo bit like the mini-freighter here below. - Small Industrial Freighters (between 100k and 300k) - A high-sec rorqual/mining command ship. - Increase of cargo of the existing miningbarges/exhumers. - Industrial implants (like more implants to increase yield/max range of stripminer and decrease time cycle, faster construction/cheaper with materials) - Better way to carry rigged ships. Instead of flying them one at a time. - Improved POS looks. (Like the dead horse topic) But if the front banner is correct and thats a POS you finaly listened.
Its just a pathetic patch on steroids.
/signed 10x times
A high-sec rorqual/mining command ship yeah thats a good idea
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Adaera
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Posted - 2008.10.16 11:35:00 -
[214]
Wohoo! :D
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she1
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Posted - 2008.10.16 11:51:00 -
[215]
t2 cane plz?
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Futuristic Eagle
SUBLIME L.L.C. SUBLIME CREATIONS ALLIANCE
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Posted - 2008.10.16 12:11:00 -
[216]
Edited by: Futuristic Eagle on 16/10/2008 12:12:04 Am I the only one that finds that all you people complaining are pathetic?
Sure, Its small for an expansion.. But its still free just like every other expansion CCP has made for eve.
Your getting something for free and your whinging about it? Honestly... Grow up!
And there are some big content Expansions due to be released soon, and the last two have been huge (A big graphics improvement, a new region and a whole new way to have some easy fleet PVP)
Plus ambulation is coming up soon, and thats a whole lot of work.. Even if you don't like Ambulation you have to admit that is pretty big.
Personally, I do think a few bug fixes would be nice, but any reduction to lag is my friend...
Give CCP some time, even if its a small expansion its an expansion never-the-less.
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adriaans
Amarr Ankaa.
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Posted - 2008.10.16 12:17:00 -
[217]
i wish there was more info about what it contains, looking forward to it anyway -sig-
Support the introduction of Blaze M crystals for Amarr!
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OneSock
Crown Industries
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Posted - 2008.10.16 12:17:00 -
[218]
You know I'd just be happy with a UI that stayed where I've pinned it.
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Ban Enlai
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Posted - 2008.10.16 12:20:00 -
[219]
This talk of 'free' is a little misleading, I pay a monthly fee to play the game and CCP have decided that this is their business model - a larger monthly fee than most MMOs but you get patches and expansions included. I am afraid that does not make it free, no company, CCP included, give stuff away or if they do, they would not have been around for as many years as CCP have. As to the announcement, perhaps it is a poor PR attempt to distract from the 133 page 'feedback' thread concerning Ghost Training but short of CCP coming on the forums and whining themselves about all their customers hating them and that they were going to quit, they had little other recourse. So far this 'Expansion' is only such by name its really just a normal patch as far as I can see. |
Yao
Gallente Parental Control
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Posted - 2008.10.16 12:20:00 -
[220]
AT LAST!The BIG GREY POTATO Empyrean Age is gone!I was starting geting depressed... |
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Saffron Noire
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Posted - 2008.10.16 12:21:00 -
[221]
Give it a skill queue please :)
Looking forward to seeing the Orca. |
Jack Gilligan
THE MuPPeT FaCTOrY KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2008.10.16 12:22:00 -
[222]
Edited by: Jack Gilligan on 16/10/2008 12:24:21 I'm disappointed. Most of the best stuff for this "expansion" don't really justify being called such.
Furthermore, the speed ninjanerf is still in hideous condition on the test server, ships that you would never speed fit (such as a Raven) are slower than my carrier. 117m/s is way the hell too slow for an un speed fitted battleship, the 145-150 on the live server now is not exactly game breaking.
Interceptors... Well, all I can say is that when I lose the one I have currently I won't be replacing it, interceptors will be the "new" assault frigates, being useless because they now have no role (they are supposed to be tacklers obviously but now can't go fast enough to do the job). People will just use dictors and recons, which had already taken away most of the interceptor's role anyway.
Anyone stupid enough to try combat in one of these flying coffins after this "expansion" will be lucky to even get to their target and even try to scramble/web them (webs suck now and most inty's can't fit two) before they get one-volleyed back to their clone.
And, the really crappy thing about it is that nanogangs will be probably MORE powerful than they are now! What with everything else being slowed down MORE than the nanos were, made less maneuverable than they are now, they will effectively be "faster" than they are now, and some of the best anti-nano tactics (double webs, interceptors) have been nerfed.
And to add insult to injury, medium drones have been nerfed into complete uselessness, making any ship that doesn't have a drone bay large enough to fit 5 heavies not really have much reason to carry them instead of lights (which will now be able to easily overtake and kill interceptors).
Also, there appears to be no content in this "expansion", and only one new ship, which I probably won't want. Given that the last "expansion" offered me nothing because I live in 0.0 and am in an alliance a second one in a row means at least a 1.5 year long wait for me for anything new.
Where is ambulation? Where are the long promised POS revamps? And why the tease crap?
And I for one don't expect much more than what they dropped with this "expansion announcement". They did the same thing with "empire-an age" and nothing else significant showed up after the initial announcement of faction warfare, not even a single new ship.
So, CCP, we are underwhelmed.
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Yao
Gallente Parental Control
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Posted - 2008.10.16 12:24:00 -
[223]
Originally by: Jack Gilligan I'm disappointed. Most of the best stuff for this "expansion" don't really justify being called such.
Furthermore, the speed ninjanerf is still in hideous condition on the test server, ships that you would never speed fit (such as a Raven) are slower than my carrier. 117m/s is way the hell too slow for an un speed fitted battleship, the 145-150 on the live server now is not exactly game breaking.
Interceptors... Well, all I can say is that when I lose the one I have currently I won't be replacing it, interceptors will be the "new" assault frigates, being useless because they now have no role (they are supposed to be tacklers obviously but now can't go fast enough to do the job). People will just use dictors and recons, which had already taken away most of the interceptor's role anyway.
And, the really crappy thing about it is that nanogangs will be probably MORE powerful than they are now! What with everything else being slowed down MORE than the nanos were, made less maneuverable than they are now, they will effectively be "faster" than they are now, and some of the best anti-nano tactics (double webs, interceptors) have been nerfed.
And to add insult to injury, medium drones have been nerfed into complete uselessness, making any ship that doesn't have a drone bay large enough to fit 5 heavies not really have much reason to carry them instead of lights (which will now be able to easily overtake and kill interceptors).
Also, there appears to be no content in this "expansion", and only one new ship, which I probably won't want. Given that the last "expansion" offered me nothing because I live in 0.0 and am in an alliance a second one in a row means at least a 1.5 year long wait for me for anything new.
Where is ambulation? Where are the long promised POS revamps? And why the tease crap?
And I for one don't expect much more than what they dropped with this "expansion announcement". They did the same thing with "empire-an age" and nothing else significant showed up after the initial announcement of faction warfare, not even a single new ship.
So, CCP, we are underwhelmed.
u might just missed it but they said more of the feutures to be revealed soon....idk if this covers u |
OneSock
Crown Industries
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Posted - 2008.10.16 12:24:00 -
[224]
You know I'd just be happy with a UI that stayed where I've pinned it.
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Jack Gilligan
THE MuPPeT FaCTOrY KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2008.10.16 12:26:00 -
[225]
Originally by: Yao
u might just missed it but they said more of the feutures to be revealed soon....idk if this covers u
They said the same thing when they released a similar thin blurb about the last "expansion" and didn't deliver anything significant.
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Komatose
Caldari Libertas Contraho
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Posted - 2008.10.16 12:28:00 -
[226]
Originally by: Anna Kommenos ....i take it this is sposed to distract us from the near simultaneous nerf of nano's and minmatar, and the end of ghost training? some shiny medal sprite on my character page or bio????
wow....and here i thought i wanted an honest ccp who provided real content :P
I love the no more ghost training. Slackers.
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davcin
Caldari davcin Corp
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Posted - 2008.10.16 12:29:00 -
[227]
Originally by: Jack Gilligan Edited by: Jack Gilligan on 16/10/2008 12:24:21 (...) Furthermore, the speed ninjanerf is still in hideous condition on the test server, ships that you would never speed fit (such as a Raven) are slower than my carrier. 117m/s is way the hell too slow for an un speed fitted battleship, the 145-150 on the live server now is not exactly game breaking. (...)
117m/s!! I guess, after the release, the Afterburner will be mandatory in a PVE battleship...
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Poreuomai
Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2008.10.16 12:30:00 -
[228]
So ... is this the big winter expension which happens every year or will that be a separate update?
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Grainsalt
Free-Corp Foundation Liberty Alliance
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Posted - 2008.10.16 12:34:00 -
[229]
Hmm well.. I am hanging on for dear life here .. Missiles getting spanked (again), My BS (I don't nano) will be as fast as a dead turtle in tar ... Mission running is gonna get even more boring and tedious becuase of that (and missions are already mind numbing) ..
I haven't really logged in for 7 days due to boredom, I think the camel's back is now well and truely breaking ..
An underwhelming patch indeed.. (Sorry expansion) .. I will give it a go, but I can see this account going the same way as the other 2 I canned a few months back tbh.
*sigh* where has all the excitement in eve gone these days? ---
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SillyWaif
Galactic Kingdom
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Posted - 2008.10.16 12:42:00 -
[230]
You can patch your SiSi(!) install with either *) current to SiSi patch: (64451->65688) *) 15.10.2008 to 16.10.2008 patch (65163->65688)
You get the new splash screen too :)
Only now I can not login... :(
Originally by: "Singularity"
Could not connect to the specified address. Odds are that you have not established an internet connection, the server isn't running, or the server address or port number was wrong.
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HarrytheBarstool
Caldari Ecky Thump Ltd
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Posted - 2008.10.16 12:45:00 -
[231]
Quote: Attention cash cows! The news you've all been waiting for, aka Winter bug fix, is finally here. EVE Online: Quantum Nosedive will try to bring new bugged features, content and technology to New Eden. For more information, check out our half hearted press release.
Fallout Associate Community Manager CCP Hf, EVE Online
*Translation done by 'Google Online Bullshit Detector' as recommended by HarrytheBarstool.
*** Smoking Whippets Since 1967 *** |
Varesk
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Posted - 2008.10.16 12:46:00 -
[232]
Originally by: farfrael
Originally by: Press Release Continuations of the massive Trinity graphics update
nice, more stuff the linux/mac users won't be able to use ! thanks so much CCP for your officially supported client who's only about 12 months behind the curve ... yeah
That IS the continuation of the massive trinity graphics update idiot...
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Midas Man
Caldari Dzark Asylum
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Posted - 2008.10.16 12:50:00 -
[233]
Originally by: Futuristic Eagle Edited by: Futuristic Eagle on 16/10/2008 12:12:04 Am I the only one that finds that all you people complaining are pathetic?
Sure, Its small for an expansion.. But its still free just like every other expansion CCP has made for eve.
Your getting something for free and your whinging about it? Honestly... Grow up!
And there are some big content Expansions due to be released soon, and the last two have been huge (A big graphics improvement, a new region and a whole new way to have some easy fleet PVP)
Plus ambulation is coming up soon, and thats a whole lot of work.. Even if you don't like Ambulation you have to admit that is pretty big.
Personally, I do think a few bug fixes would be nice, but any reduction to lag is my friend...
Give CCP some time, even if its a small expansion its an expansion never-the-less.
They have already had 5 years and they have only just fixed a 5 Year old "bug"
Do you really expect customer to be happy with a no content expansion that will take 5 years to be deamed an exploit and removed. why get excited?
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Varesk
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Posted - 2008.10.16 12:51:00 -
[234]
Originally by: Mallikan Shut up whiners, if you can't be grateful for a single free expansion from this great game company, stfu and leave.
CCP, thanks again for a timely and awesome expansion! I'm looking forward to it.
Amen and agree!
Keep it up CCP!
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Thrace Lavinge
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Posted - 2008.10.16 12:54:00 -
[235]
Its not an expansion its just a patch, i've seen many other games introduce more new content in their patches than this so called expansion has so far.
course if they turn around and revel so actual content other than yet another blood reskin of an existing ship or stuff thats already been launched then i'll eat my hat.
but lets face CCP have become lazy and blotted, only after the $ now and no love for the fans.
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Iohan Sjet
Minmatar Re-Awakened Technologies Inc Electus Matari
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Posted - 2008.10.16 12:54:00 -
[236]
My usual DB comment.
Hopefully the EVE-O Site Item Database to be updated as well. It's only 2 expansion packs behind at this stage. Never know, Quantum Rising may set the record at 3 expansions behind. This pinjt was raised during the original CSM elections, and action was supposed to be taken. Us per RL politics, the CSM appears to have been a figure head at best if they can't resolve this minor issue.
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SillyWaif
Galactic Kingdom
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Posted - 2008.10.16 12:54:00 -
[237]
For the 'this topic is worthless without pics' players: EVE Quantum Rise splash screen.
Enjoy
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Midas Man
Caldari Dzark Asylum
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Posted - 2008.10.16 12:56:00 -
[238]
Originally by: Yao
u might just missed it but they said more of the feutures to be revealed soon....idk if this covers u
BTW
you do know by Soon CCP usually mean never!!!
They have even had that definition of soon added to dictonaries in some languages.
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Varesk
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Posted - 2008.10.16 13:04:00 -
[239]
Originally by: HarrytheBarstool
Quote: Attention cash cows! The news you've all been waiting for, aka Winter bug fix, is finally here. EVE Online: Quantum Nosedive will try to bring new bugged features, content and technology to New Eden. For more information, check out our half hearted press release.
Fallout Associate Community Manager CCP Hf, EVE Online
*Translation done by 'Google Online Bullshit Detector' as recommended by HarrytheBarstool.
Go eat your moms breast kid.
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HarrytheBarstool
Caldari Ecky Thump Ltd
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Posted - 2008.10.16 13:15:00 -
[240]
Originally by: Varesk Go eat your moms breast kid.
What time does your mom get home boy ...
*** Smoking Whippets Since 1967 *** |
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Krylon Rhae
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Posted - 2008.10.16 13:29:00 -
[241]
Some children are never happy no matter how much Holoween candy they get in their bags.
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Tykkis
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Posted - 2008.10.16 13:29:00 -
[242]
I'm glad they are focusing on network architecture and lag issues. Tells to me CCP plan to support this game for long time.
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Thasiere
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Posted - 2008.10.16 13:31:00 -
[243]
If you frequent any boards and see people who don't currently play, make sure to be very clear in how great this new expansion will be.
Also be sure to tell them about the extremely limited and overpriced timecard options are, and that due to the removal of the option to train unsubscribed, the skilling up of alt accounts is prohibitively expensive in time and money, and will make it nearly impossible to compete on any real level with more established players without a massive investment of time money or both. But if they have stacks of money sitting around, they could plunk hundreds of dollars down to buy timecards to trade for isk and buy highly trained industrial, capital, missioning or pvp characters. This option is left open to ensure that capsuleers who actively put their time and energy into working on their characters will no longer be unfairly affected by those few who have not. Tell them about the massive lag and how the game hiccups even when loading a belt full of rats. Tell them about the overall disregard for player concerns and interests and how no paltry detail will go unaddressed while there are massive game play issues that are completely ignored.
Make sure they know they know what they are missing out on by not going along to get along like the rest of us, and that in a few years or several hundred dollars from now, they could have characters as good as yours. Well, as good as your are right now. They will still be no match for any smart player who has been in the game substantially longer. |
spinarax
Privateers
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Posted - 2008.10.16 13:31:00 -
[244]
Edited by: spinarax on 16/10/2008 13:31:35 Edited by: spinarax on 16/10/2008 13:31:25 deleted lol, wrong thread
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Xeronn
Amarr Ordo Drakonis Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2008.10.16 13:33:00 -
[245]
Originally by: Futuristic Eagle Edited by: Futuristic Eagle on 16/10/2008 12:12:04 Am I the only one that finds that all you people complaining are pathetic?
Sure, Its small for an expansion.. But its still free just like every other expansion CCP has made for eve.
Your getting something for free and your whinging about it? Honestly... Grow up!
And there are some big content Expansions due to be released soon, and the last two have been huge (A big graphics improvement, a new region and a whole new way to have some easy fleet PVP)
Plus ambulation is coming up soon, and thats a whole lot of work.. Even if you don't like Ambulation you have to admit that is pretty big.
Personally, I do think a few bug fixes would be nice, but any reduction to lag is my friend...
Give CCP some time, even if its a small expansion its an expansion never-the-less.
Yes you are
We had NO expansion since trinity, come on FW isnt even worth calling a patch, it ads exactly NOTHING to EvE (we allready had wardecs remember?)
So we get shiny medals? YAY...why not go all the way and umm...you know...get classes aswell when we start new characters (and i mean new...i mean obviously CCP doesnt want us using alts or paying for 2-3-4 accounts)
How about ..."caldari missile warrior shield tanker?
We can get a cool sig , and maybe a feature that autotrains the skills needed for him, i mean why would we want poor new players to dive in the huge messy confusing EvE skilltree and figure things out themselves, train "creatively", we all know that nubs should follow exactly the SAME pattern to achieve the awessome end-game CNR raids
"Your getting something for free and your whinging about it? Honestly... Grow up!"
Pathetic .... here! free candy!! I swear it`s free, really, here! you can have two pieces!! You can have even more if you`re a good boy and promise to keep buying stuff from me every month, i mean, it may be shitty stuff but you know...you get a free candy piece every six months!! that obviously makes it worth it!
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HarshMistress
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Posted - 2008.10.16 13:45:00 -
[246]
Originally by: Tykkis Tells to me CCP plan to support this game for long time.
or at least until some decent competition turns up and we can get off this sinking ship.
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Sionn Klorgh
Minmatar The Collective Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2008.10.16 13:45:00 -
[247]
Quote: The reality of thousands of ships simultaneously engaged in adrenaline-charged combat is at hand and several fleet battles have already been fought using this new technology
What game is that?!
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Gaelenus
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2008.10.16 13:47:00 -
[248]
Could people please stop with the free bullshit, the expansions are clearly not free i pay 15 euros a month for this game, thats ú11.70 in fact last time i checked thats above the normal market price subscription for an MMO (WOW is only ú9 Age of Conan is about ú10.)
Seriously people YOU ARE PAYING FOR THIS EXPANSION where the hell do you think your subscription fee is going to? I mean if you take the price difference between WOW and eve, so ú2.70 multiply that by the 6 months between expansions you get ú16.20 now thats roughly the price of a pc games expansion pack..
Even if you ignore this small statistical fact you still have the oint that eve is a service that we the customers pay for part of that service is the expansions, for the last time they are not free. Furthermore as eve is a service that people are paying for they have the right to complain when they aren't getting provided with the service they expect.. you'd complainin a restaurant if your soup were cold. Or if the waiter treated you like an idiot..but thats a whole other rant
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belicose bludd
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Posted - 2008.10.16 13:52:00 -
[249]
Originally by: Tykkis I'm glad they are focusing on network architecture and lag issues. Tells to me CCP plan to support this game for long time.
Yeh so did Earth and beyond...just before they killed it. Tells me a game is going to last a long time when they have a balance....part bug chase..part content fleshing out....but ALWAYS customer response....not conspicious silence.....So...when can I expect that 5 yrs. in development skill que?...Hey it's getting a little chilly in here...could that be hell frezzing over?
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Vengal Seyhan
Sten Industries
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Posted - 2008.10.16 13:57:00 -
[250]
So, one of the things i noticed on the "In development" page was
Operation Cyberpschyo Broadening the manufacturing base an extra step by adding the ability to manufacture implants, rather than simply doling the finished product out like candy. Mmmm... candy...
Has anyone noticed anything like this popping up for testing on Singularity yet?
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Seviere
Caldari XBeyond
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Posted - 2008.10.16 14:02:00 -
[251]
Oh, look, a new thread that actually shows up on the front page. After all it is possible... go figure |
Squably
Minmatar Republic Military School
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Posted - 2008.10.16 14:04:00 -
[252]
Nice, its always good to see new expansions to the game.
Ow and on a note if you dont like the game or the changes, YOU CAN ALWAYS JUST QUIT AND PLAY SOMETHING ELSE. Signature removed. Please do not imply profanity in your signature. Navigator
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unrealcrysis
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Posted - 2008.10.16 14:07:00 -
[253]
New ships?
I Like all the content that is being upgraded so far but I actually would really like to see some new ships. Maybe a second destroyer or maybe another battle ship or dreadnought. Maybe even a new class of ships that add something interesting to look at in the market.
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Casius Ontorus
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Posted - 2008.10.16 14:10:00 -
[254]
So I know a lot of this blog has been all about complaining. But I'd just like to say Good job CCP. This expansion will add new dimension to the game, and expand upon whats there. More Trinity upgrades will be nice to see and an industrial update is needed due to the war efforts all over. Too those of you who complain about everything, grow up. Move out, and accept a real world that doesn't revolve around your needs. Balance is everything. oh, and for all your complaining, you still play. The game charges 15 bucks US a month (which is a standard price btw for us in the US) you don't pay 30-50 bucks for each expansion in the US, I realize the world economy is different and it might be more pricey but honestly, you all still play. Stop complaining. Embrace w3hat CCP is trying to create. This is the most unique game ever. If its so bad go to storyline driven content where a player's only goal is to get shiny armor and think they look cool. I prefer the world CCP has created in which my storyline is driven by who I kill or what people I destroy. Midas will be another good expansion leading into untold reaches of possibility for the game. GO CCP!
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Nekopyat
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Posted - 2008.10.16 14:15:00 -
[255]
Originally by: Stikato Wow, I think the threshold of the term "expansion" has reached a new low.
I am guessing that the EvE code base is suffering from increasing technical debt, which results in smaller and smaller expansions over time as the technical cost of making changes increases.
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Krylon Rhae
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Posted - 2008.10.16 14:16:00 -
[256]
Originally by: Casius Ontorus So I know a lot of this blog has been all about complaining. But I'd just like to say Good job CCP. This expansion will add new dimension to the game, and expand upon whats there. More Trinity upgrades will be nice to see and an industrial update is needed due to the war efforts all over. Too those of you who complain about everything, grow up. Move out, and accept a real world that doesn't revolve around your needs. Balance is everything. oh, and for all your complaining, you still play. The game charges 15 bucks US a month (which is a standard price btw for us in the US) you don't pay 30-50 bucks for each expansion in the US, I realize the world economy is different and it might be more pricey but honestly, you all still play. Stop complaining. Embrace w3hat CCP is trying to create. This is the most unique game ever. If its so bad go to storyline driven content where a player's only goal is to get shiny armor and think they look cool. I prefer the world CCP has created in which my storyline is driven by who I kill or what people I destroy. Midas will be another good expansion leading into untold reaches of possibility for the game. GO CCP!
/signed x10
Stop complaining and enjoy the ride...
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Black Tahee1
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Posted - 2008.10.16 14:27:00 -
[257]
Ow btw please give us an option to select what splashscreen we can use? the new one is kinda hideous
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Howatch Johalla
Gallente Johalla MegaThor Corp
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Posted - 2008.10.16 14:28:00 -
[258]
It is always nice to be able to count on good fun and lots of smiles when reading the forums when new expansion is advertised.
For me this expansion looks like a good one even if it is a bit thin. It is a good one for me because I am skilled in mission running, marketing and mining among other things and like to get new industrial ship to play with. Medals and more help young players in understanding how to navigate through the skills forest in EVE so that is good idea and might make life more easy for new players, would have helped me a lot when I started almost three years back.
I am happy to get rid of ghost training from this game. I never liked that ppl could quit game and still go on training without doing anything, not even have to log on, not fair to us the players that log on most days because we like the game, not only to get skills but to interact with the fine ppl in here and just have good fun playing the game. There are so many helpful pilot in EVE in the various chat rooms that most players can ask whatever they want to know and get answer ingame on almost any topic.
I have never looked at EVE as a way for CCP to create utopia of all MMO's where all is fair and good and all are happy, hmmm,.... does not sound like what EVE has told us it is going for and I do like challance, new changes, even some nerfes do make me want to find out how I can use it to become better at things, not to whine about it and complain.
To be fair I think that this nano mandnes was destroying the pvp part of the game. It made it foolish to go out there for average pilot trying to fight ships that usually could not be locked or hit but could stop you cold while some other pilot in sniper ship could pick you off, no fun for medium pvp players like me, but that is just my opinion.
But maybe I am too simpleminded and do not understand that you the hardcore ghost training players feel being tread upon and maybe I should just join you in the complaining department.
For me EVE was a revelation and huge adventure when I started playing it and now after almost three year it is hugely fun to play and my main hobby. I love playing EVE (not ghost training) and will keep on playing it hopefully for many years to come.
Than you CCP for fine work and do keep it up :)
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AncientGuardian
Gallente Intaki Liberation Front
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Posted - 2008.10.16 14:30:00 -
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Please, Less Nerf, More goodies.
and, take your time on this one, please, for the love of the game. I hate rushed expansions, rushed=more bugs
take your time, make this a quality, nerf free expansion.
Quote:
'Last night I played a blank tape at full blast. The mime next door went nuts'
Quote:
If I ever saw an amputee getting hanged, I would start yelling out letters.
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Razin
The xDEATHx Squadron Legion of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2008.10.16 14:36:00 -
[260]
Quote: ...ghost training whines...
Just goes to show that them freeloaders can get pretty bitter when put in their place. ...
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electrostatus
Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2008.10.16 14:38:00 -
[261]
With a name like that, you're going to have to release it all at once. You can't release parts of it, as that would defeat the name of quantum. ― Vexo M > He turned the drives up to 11 |
Jaspet Joe
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Posted - 2008.10.16 14:39:00 -
[262]
Eve is itself a continuously eveoloving thing , It must grow this way or that , and in that growth things change. makign the game balanced is better for all, instead of leaving it skewed toward this faction or that. An advantage is onething , but an out right un touchable opponent doing 15k m/s is ridiculous. and the Nerfs hsould happen , as well as the enhancements.
what should be changed is the UUUUUUUGLY Helios Model looks like a Grahmn Cracker with a kick stand. allt he other races Ships look cool in covs ops (well not the Matari)
But this Medal nonsense , Jeez Come on now .
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E Drohner
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Posted - 2008.10.16 14:40:00 -
[263]
Originally by: Krylon Rhae
Originally by: Casius Ontorus So I know a lot of this blog has been all about complaining. But I'd just like to say Good job CCP. This expansion will add new dimension to the game, and expand upon whats there. More Trinity upgrades will be nice to see and an industrial update is needed due to the war efforts all over. Too those of you who complain about everything, grow up. Move out, and accept a real world that doesn't revolve around your needs. Balance is everything. oh, and for all your complaining, you still play. The game charges 15 bucks US a month (which is a standard price btw for us in the US) you don't pay 30-50 bucks for each expansion in the US, I realize the world economy is different and it might be more pricey but honestly, you all still play. Stop complaining. Embrace w3hat CCP is trying to create. This is the most unique game ever. If its so bad go to storyline driven content where a player's only goal is to get shiny armor and think they look cool. I prefer the world CCP has created in which my storyline is driven by who I kill or what people I destroy. Midas will be another good expansion leading into untold reaches of possibility for the game. GO CCP!
/signed x10
Stop complaining and enjoy the ride...
/Signed
To those that complain - Theres a really simple way to fix all your problems. STOP PLAYING! seriously. Turn off the game and click that cancel subscription button. Call me stupid but i'm fairly certain that your playing the game because you find it fun or at least the concept of it fun. If its not fun, then why are you wasting $15 a month on eve to begin with? I'm willing to bet that your not sitting there being FORCED to play.
Be happy that CCP takes the time to support their product and continues to create new content. I'd understand the complaints if we were paying a monthly fee and absolutely nothing was being done (no patches, no new content) to the game, but CCP has and continues to do a damn fine job of supporting their product.
So seriously. Be happy or quit. stop acting like 12 year pre-pubescent WoW babies.
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Eternum Praetorian
Tupperware Party
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Posted - 2008.10.16 14:44:00 -
[264]
Originally by: Quicktime "Wow" all the canceled accounts over the terrible design decisions now playable on SISI, (go form your own opinion donÆt take my word for it) caused CCP to create a press release and rename the Expand-o-Nerf to combat, creating more broken fluff to cover up the fact that they aren't fixing the real problems in the game play.
Using art resources to create interface elements is easy, programming them harder, but you know it doesn't effect game play in any positive sense, it's another attempt to "reward" what we already have, and give the young new players more guidance on what is happening, more spoon feeding, and hey we are designing this new game lets test the system on the current customer base, if it sucks we can find out now instead of when we release the new game to hopefully double our revenue stream, because EVE is only going to get so big.
Before you load us up with more crap finish this game, and then leave it alone. I know it's a thankless job, and you get *****ed for every decision you make right or wrong, you know if I sat in a design session and said hey lets have all the players sit still, and shoot a big sphere "POS shield" in a void with another textured sphere near by "moon" you guys would laugh me out of the room, and say nobody will like sitting still and shooting at something for hours, how could that be fun? This is the current state of POS warfare, and one example of many that has a long way to go.
Will walking in stations provide the technology for the new game, and provide this one with the ability for the players to land on the planets? If so Great!
Is the reason for the speed nerf really to do with walking in stations? Did we hit the limit of what can be simulated while people wander around a station, and combat is taking place? Was affecting combat in space? If so is the speed nerf required to fix this issue? I am sure spending the 20-30 mil on art and technology, with an eye toward the Vampire's game use of this tech only to find out it was going cripple space combat is a terrible reality to face, is killing the speed the only choice and forcing bad design decisions the only solution at this point? If so tell us we are smart people, get your engineers in public at bit more tell us the truth.
If your are a dev and burnt out on making this game, which would make perfect sense to me after this many years of doing it, any new game would be good, hire people that care taking this game to the next level, its only one of its kind in the world, and can get better.
White Wolf was cheap because the games they made aren't very popular by the way, Vampire's are cool, but you don't own them, and have the only Space game worth playing ever since the day of Elite on my Apple 2. Many people can put a vampire class or even create a vampire based game, the word Masquerade is not a sales point. My prediction is that Eve will remain more popular then Vampire.
I waste my time on this because I care about Eve, have been in your shoes, the last two years have been great, looking forward to two more! Yes I am a game developer, 18 years of it, yes a lot of what I am saying above is guess work based on the reality of making games, and yes I have had to deal with people like me on forums for games like this.
Keep the fire burning guys, finish this game it's the best I have played, don't let it die!
This puts it best I think.
And in the spirit of this I bump this thread...
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Atimathus Stuhlinger
Caldari Imperial Coalition
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Posted - 2008.10.16 14:51:00 -
[265]
Hmmm.... a lot of drama queens in here. I think I will just wait until some official patch notes are released...
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Razin
The xDEATHx Squadron Legion of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2008.10.16 14:52:00 -
[266]
Originally by: Eternum Praetorian
Originally by: Quicktime "Wow" all the canceled accounts over the terrible design decisions now playable on SISI, (go form your own opinion donÆt take my word for it) caused CCP to create a press release and rename the Expand-o-Nerf to combat, creating more broken fluff to cover up the fact that they aren't fixing the real problems in the game play.
Using art resources to create interface elements is easy, programming them harder, but you know it doesn't effect game play in any positive sense, it's another attempt to "reward" what we already have, and give the young new players more guidance on what is happening, more spoon feeding, and hey we are designing this new game lets test the system on the current customer base, if it sucks we can find out now instead of when we release the new game to hopefully double our revenue stream, because EVE is only going to get so big.
Before you load us up with more crap finish this game, and then leave it alone. I know it's a thankless job, and you get *****ed for every decision you make right or wrong, you know if I sat in a design session and said hey lets have all the players sit still, and shoot a big sphere "POS shield" in a void with another textured sphere near by "moon" you guys would laugh me out of the room, and say nobody will like sitting still and shooting at something for hours, how could that be fun? This is the current state of POS warfare, and one example of many that has a long way to go.
Will walking in stations provide the technology for the new game, and provide this one with the ability for the players to land on the planets? If so Great!
Is the reason for the speed nerf really to do with walking in stations? Did we hit the limit of what can be simulated while people wander around a station, and combat is taking place? Was affecting combat in space? If so is the speed nerf required to fix this issue? I am sure spending the 20-30 mil on art and technology, with an eye toward the Vampire's game use of this tech only to find out it was going cripple space combat is a terrible reality to face, is killing the speed the only choice and forcing bad design decisions the only solution at this point? If so tell us we are smart people, get your engineers in public at bit more tell us the truth.
If your are a dev and burnt out on making this game, which would make perfect sense to me after this many years of doing it, any new game would be good, hire people that care taking this game to the next level, its only one of its kind in the world, and can get better.
White Wolf was cheap because the games they made aren't very popular by the way, Vampire's are cool, but you don't own them, and have the only Space game worth playing ever since the day of Elite on my Apple 2. Many people can put a vampire class or even create a vampire based game, the word Masquerade is not a sales point. My prediction is that Eve will remain more popular then Vampire.
I waste my time on this because I care about Eve, have been in your shoes, the last two years have been great, looking forward to two more! Yes I am a game developer, 18 years of it, yes a lot of what I am saying above is guess work based on the reality of making games, and yes I have had to deal with people like me on forums for games like this.
Keep the fire burning guys, finish this game it's the best I have played, don't let it die!
This puts it best I think.
It may be well-intentioned, but all it shows is Quicktime's and your own ignorance of the meaning and the extent of the changes that are being implemented. ...
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Ann Ripley
Caldari FinFleet Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.10.16 14:52:00 -
[267]
Edited by: Ann Ripley on 16/10/2008 14:54:31 I like the lag improvements so far. They have been noticeable (when the fight was on a stearoid hamster node) and im looking forward to more improvements.
Turret stacking is a nice feature and i hope it will reduce gun lag in fights.
Id like to have a x64 client since i run on vista x64 aand make eve multithreading pls :)
Now.. what id love to see is maybe non essential and might come later but i do look forward to the day it comes.
id like to see increased challenge in NPC¦s (yes i like to carebear once in a while (they at least fight us :P )) I want to see the brick wall every player hit when BS rats where introduced the first time, harder, more challenging and moar bounty pls. This could also protect against macro ratters and isk farmers. NPCing in 0.0 is far too easy and gives little reward unless you spend many many many hours doing it and then it gets kinda monotonous.
Introduce Capital rats! for the toughest spawns you should need at least a buddy or two. upgrade the rate of faction and officers. perhaps then the inflation of these items would go down. some mods are ridiculously expensive and way out of proportion.
introduce Tech III. i think its time the tech III phase to hit eve since t2 was introduced 4 years ago.... then perhaps t2 prices would go down to a normal rate (given manufacturing cost etc.) yes they have improved and a vagabond no longer cost 300mill but still.. it should be lower.
give the environment and fx the trinity gfx. I know that will come later. just look forward to it. :) and give us AA ;)
just a few cents. but as allways you guys rock. look forward to the expansion. "Insert witty comment here" |
Callib Gor'Karrithe
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.10.16 14:56:00 -
[268]
Originally by: E Drohner *significant post*
Signed and agreed.
It seems that the people who understand nothing about how programming actually works, about how much time goes into things, and about the asset logistics behind making a massive game like this are the only ones *****ing and crying.
Here's a thought. Stop behaving like ****ing children. If you don't understand how software development works, DO NOT ****ing complain. Being an IT professional I'm sick to shit of half-******ed users trying to ***** and moan their way into extra features in applications that, in actuality, make little to no sense. Even more, I'm tired of these same brainless dolts trying to insist that we can squeeze out quality work at the drop of a hat.
Until you actually develop software, try NOT complaining. It just makes you look as stupid as you quite obviously are.
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Geanos
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Posted - 2008.10.16 14:57:00 -
[269]
Edited by: Geanos on 16/10/2008 14:59:36 Wow, i get the 1984 feeling. Of course there are lots of red guards around here, watching at the well being of CCCP.
DO NOT COMPLAIN! DO NOT THINK! DO NOT SPEAK! TO THE TOILET WITH FREEDOM OF OPINION!
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Xeronn
Amarr Ordo Drakonis Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2008.10.16 15:03:00 -
[270]
Originally by: E Drohner
Originally by: Krylon Rhae
Originally by: Casius Ontorus So I know a lot of this blog has been all about complaining. But I'd just like to say Good job CCP. This expansion will add new dimension to the game, and expand upon whats there. More Trinity upgrades will be nice to see and an industrial update is needed due to the war efforts all over. Too those of you who complain about everything, grow up. Move out, and accept a real world that doesn't revolve around your needs. Balance is everything. oh, and for all your complaining, you still play. The game charges 15 bucks US a month (which is a standard price btw for us in the US) you don't pay 30-50 bucks for each expansion in the US, I realize the world economy is different and it might be more pricey but honestly, you all still play. Stop complaining. Embrace w3hat CCP is trying to create. This is the most unique game ever. If its so bad go to storyline driven content where a player's only goal is to get shiny armor and think they look cool. I prefer the world CCP has created in which my storyline is driven by who I kill or what people I destroy. Midas will be another good expansion leading into untold reaches of possibility for the game. GO CCP!
/signed x10
Stop complaining and enjoy the ride...
/Signed
To those that complain - Theres a really simple way to fix all your problems. STOP PLAYING! seriously. Turn off the game and click that cancel subscription button. Call me stupid but i'm fairly certain that your playing the game because you find it fun or at least the concept of it fun. If its not fun, then why are you wasting $15 a month on eve to begin with? I'm willing to bet that your not sitting there being FORCED to play.
Be happy that CCP takes the time to support their product and continues to create new content. I'd understand the complaints if we were paying a monthly fee and absolutely nothing was being done (no patches, no new content) to the game, but CCP has and continues to do a damn fine job of supporting their product.
So seriously. Be happy or quit. stop acting like 12 year pre-pubescent WoW babies.
So what exactly did CCP ad to EvE this year? a glorified wardec? So what`s wrong with complaining? shows that people care for the game if anything, you sir on the other hand ...just be happy that the big guys throw you a bone? sorry i`m not into that kind of attitude .
So again , why shouldnt people complain , whine and say there mind , after all they ARE paying customers , i really dont get your attitude of "just settle for the bone and be happy little sheep"
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Xeronn
Amarr Ordo Drakonis Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2008.10.16 15:06:00 -
[271]
Originally by: Geanos Edited by: Geanos on 16/10/2008 14:59:36 Wow, i get the 1984 feeling. Of course there are lots of red guards around here, watching at the well being of CCCP.
DO NOT COMPLAIN! DO NOT THINK! DO NOT SPEAK! TO THE TOILET WITH FREEDOM OF OPINION!
Actually mate it`s the other way around, what we see here is the trained "consumer" generation
SHUT THE HELL UP AND BUY , JUST BE HAPPY YOU GET SOMETHING , DONT COMPLAIN , SEE YOU ALLSO GET FREE BONUS STUFF....SO DONT ASK , DONT THINK , DONT COMPLAIN , JUST BUY!!!!!
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Dame V'akko
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Posted - 2008.10.16 15:10:00 -
[272]
CCP: I've never heard people on TS saying - "Hey its boring lets go play a map on this game or that game". We had 10+ people left our corp 0.0 based (one of the major 10 alliances) due to lack of interest. I've been long enough to know that this never happened in any corp/alliance I was part of. It seems kinda recent that more and more people are leaving, Why? (No don't answer me, answer yourself) I see few major problems that need improving and please concentrate on resolving those issues before introducing new useless stuff. LOL look i have new certificates, so now what?
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Loc Maythan
Gallente AlfaCorp
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Posted - 2008.10.16 15:13:00 -
[273]
Though it is nice to know that the developer are doing things, my views (for what they are worth) are as follows:
1) Silly name. Sounds like they're jumping on the "Quantum of Solace" bandwagon. I preferred Midas.
2) While storefronts are useful for those corporations who actually manufacture stuff for sale, I'd be interested to know what proportion of corporations this would actually apply to. After all, a great many corporations provide services rather than good - will storefronts cater for them?
3) "industrial ships are being rebalanced"! Oh dear. I think we all know what that is likely to mean! Maybe I should start a "WTF CCP! What have you done to my Iteron?" thread and beat the rush ;-)
4) I wonder if the Orca will be the ship that Jump Freighters should have been? You know ... between industrials and freighters in both capacity and *price*, with maybe a few slots to provide some variability.
5) Certificates, I suppose, might be useful for corp recruitment, though there are already out-of-game ways of doing this - InEVE, for example, will show the skills of a character which have been API verified. These would speed up the process, and (maybe) allow a player to reveal only those skills asked for.
6) Medals ... meh ;-) Most corporations interested in this kind of thing already make use of the corp title.
7) Interested to see if StacklessIO and EVE64 actually make any difference to lag. Also, all-to-often, "breakthrough" is synonymous with "breakdown" ;-)
8) Weapons linking sounds OK. Though I hope this functionality will apply to things other than weapons - mining, salvaging, remote repping, energy tranfer etc. Will drones be included in this? Will we be able to link drones to weapons so that at the press of a button everything will attack the chosen target? Given than drones are weapons, will weapon linking mean that 'focus fire' actually work consistently? ;-)
9) Not interested in Trinity graphics engine. As one of, no doubt, many people who can't use the premium graphics - laptops ftl - I doubt I will feel any benefit from this.
10) Autopilot changes. Again, meh. Haven't made any use of the new features- probably just as well given some of the bugs when they were introduced - and can't see me using any new features - I like the system the way it is. But we'll see when details are available.
Not really a great deal there of interest to me. Might change as more details become available. Extemely worried about the use of the word 'rebalancing' - my Iteron V is already finding clever places to hide. Hopefully "More to be revealed" will include a nice, long list of bug-fixes.
Loc.
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Geanos
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Posted - 2008.10.16 15:14:00 -
[274]
Originally by: Xeronn
Originally by: Geanos Edited by: Geanos on 16/10/2008 14:59:36 Wow, i get the 1984 feeling. Of course there are lots of red guards around here, watching at the well being of CCCP.
DO NOT COMPLAIN! DO NOT THINK! DO NOT SPEAK! TO THE TOILET WITH FREEDOM OF OPINION!
Actually mate it`s the other way around, what we see here is the trained "consumer" generation
SHUT THE HELL UP AND BUY , JUST BE HAPPY YOU GET SOMETHING , DONT COMPLAIN , SEE YOU ALLSO GET FREE BONUS STUFF....SO DONT ASK , DONT THINK , DONT COMPLAIN , JUST BUY!!!!!
Well mate, nothing new under the sun! Same old story on different packages!
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Xeronn
Amarr Ordo Drakonis Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2008.10.16 15:14:00 -
[275]
Originally by: Dame V'akko CCP: I've never heard people on TS saying - "Hey its boring lets go play a map on this game or that game". We had 10+ people left our corp 0.0 based (one of the major 10 alliances) due to lack of interest. I've been long enough to know that this never happened in any corp/alliance I was part of. It seems kinda recent that more and more people are leaving, Why? (No don't answer me, answer yourself) I see few major problems that need improving and please concentrate on resolving those issues before introducing new useless stuff. LOL look i have new certificates, so now what?
Dont worry they`ll resubscribe when that 60 day skill will be done...it`s the way eve works...oh wait
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Midas Man
Caldari Dzark Asylum
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Posted - 2008.10.16 15:20:00 -
[276]
Originally by: Tykkis I'm glad they are focusing on network architecture and lag issues. Tells to me CCP plan to support this game for long time.
Or they are simply using Eve as a Lab Rat for network architecture and lag reduction method that they are going to use in their new game.
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Echthalian
Martian Productions
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Posted - 2008.10.16 15:28:00 -
[277]
Let shit up this forum some more on how much we hate CCP!
Even though most of us do not play the game anymore....hmmmm, I wounder why....
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Midas Man
Caldari Dzark Asylum
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Posted - 2008.10.16 15:28:00 -
[278]
Originally by: Squably Nice, its always good to see new expansions to the game.
Ow and on a note if you dont like the game or the changes, YOU CAN ALWAYS JUST QUIT AND PLAY SOMETHING ELSE.
YES WE CAN, WE ALSO HAVE POSTING ABILITIES AND ALL COMPANIES WANT FEEDBACK + or -
SO STFU, PEOPLE ARE QUITTING THEY ARE JUST LETTING CCP KNOW THE REASON WHY SO THEY CAN MAKE TH GAME BETTER FOR THE PEOPLE WHO STAY
WE ARE DOING YOU A SERVICE SO PLS STFU
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Cras'h
Hulks on stereoids inc
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Posted - 2008.10.16 15:33:00 -
[279]
Another useless *Bling Bling * addon.. start fixing the game instead of adding new junk
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Aodha Khan
Minmatar The Paratwa FOUNDATI0N
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Posted - 2008.10.16 15:33:00 -
[280]
Originally by: unrealcrysis New ships?
I Like all the content that is being upgraded so far but I actually would really like to see some new ships. Maybe a second destroyer or maybe another battle ship or dreadnought. Maybe even a new class of ships that add something interesting to look at in the market.
There are already a million ships in Eve....
Paratwa Recruitment |
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David Grogan
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Posted - 2008.10.16 16:01:00 -
[281]
Edited by: David Grogan on 16/10/2008 16:02:16 well if this expansion leads to more bugs and less players..........there will be Star Trek Online as a new alternative for the space sim junkie
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Hlidskjalf
Novus Aevum Transport and Industries Novus Aevum
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Posted - 2008.10.16 16:02:00 -
[282]
Can we get a sneaky weaky peak at the Orca? :P You guys certainatly kept its development quiet since it first surfaced a few years back? Just a nice little screenie please! :) - - - - - - - - - What could possibly make me walk into your gate camp to get to low sec, unless my Retriever has a doomsday device on it...
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Nail Bunny29
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Posted - 2008.10.16 16:04:00 -
[283]
I think I'm going to stop reading update news, they seem to be getting less and less informative. O well, I guess it's something to work forward to.
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Squably
Minmatar Republic Military School
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Posted - 2008.10.16 16:14:00 -
[284]
Originally by: Midas Man
Originally by: Squably Nice, its always good to see new expansions to the game.
Ow and on a note if you dont like the game or the changes, YOU CAN ALWAYS JUST QUIT AND PLAY SOMETHING ELSE.
YES WE CAN, WE ALSO HAVE POSTING ABILITIES AND ALL COMPANIES WANT FEEDBACK + or -
SO STFU, PEOPLE ARE QUITTING THEY ARE JUST LETTING CCP KNOW THE REASON WHY SO THEY CAN MAKE TH GAME BETTER FOR THE PEOPLE WHO STAY
WE ARE DOING YOU A SERVICE SO PLS STFU
NO RANTING/WHINING/EMORAGE IS NOT FEEDBACK.
Its just little kids crying for attention. Signature removed. Please do not imply profanity in your signature. Navigator
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Keiretsu Destroyer
Amarr Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2008.10.16 16:15:00 -
[285]
Originally by: Aodha Khan
Originally by: unrealcrysis New ships?
I Like all the content that is being upgraded so far but I actually would really like to see some new ships. Maybe a second destroyer or maybe another battle ship or dreadnought. Maybe even a new class of ships that add something interesting to look at in the market.
There are already a million ships in Eve....
Hey, man, you cant have enough ships... it's what makes the game all shiny
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Sneeze100
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Posted - 2008.10.16 16:19:00 -
[286]
I think a hair restoration module should be implemented for all us caldari baldies and if this great idea gets implemented what skills will be required
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MigG176
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Posted - 2008.10.16 16:28:00 -
[287]
Edited by: MigG176 on 16/10/2008 16:28:26 Anyway, what is CCP's policy in terms of balance and rebalance? Nerf Minmatar this month till players get fed up of that then nerf Gallente while boosting Minmatar while leaving amarr alone till next upgrade when it start again, and so it goes on? That is just no way to balance the game!!!
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David Grogan
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Posted - 2008.10.16 16:32:00 -
[288]
Edited by: David Grogan on 16/10/2008 16:37:44 Edited by: David Grogan on 16/10/2008 16:37:13 i agree a new better destroyer should be introduced..... yes the current one had 8 weapons mounts but the weapons it can mount are rubbish due to lack of power grid....or at the very least rebalance the current destroyer so at least 8 125mm hybrids can be fitted on it along with a mwd and some decent armor plates with a lil training ....
also the industrial ships need base speed notched up a little...due to the lack of defence capability they should be at least able to run quicker.....this could be achieved by adding at least 1 more low slot (warp stab) and 2 medium slots for shield hardners/boosters... also an extra high slot (doesnt need to be a weapons turret slot) would be good to add extra tractor beams or salvagers or mining beams.
for other ships a drone bay expansion skill book & drone expansion module should be introduced with each level adding 5m3 but at the expense of cargo space -5m3 per level. But charge 2mil plus for the skill book and 1mil for the expansion module (could be fit in the upgrade hardpoint and require jury rigging lvl 3).
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Magnum III
Journey On Squad
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Posted - 2008.10.16 16:42:00 -
[289]
Edited by: Magnum III on 16/10/2008 16:43:35 Edited by: Magnum III on 16/10/2008 16:41:56
Medals from your corp. only? no one will care. You can get a medal from your self or your buddy and no one will care out side your corp etc...
Hay I got a biggist puts medal from the goons, do you care? what bagging rights are we talking about?
Why not have medals from NPC for achiavments you've done? Not that will mean something.
And ferther more, Factional warfare ranks are useless, you can get the ranks easy just from sitting at location in your own safe territory.
I don't understand why you keep missing the boat on this stuff.
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Ancy Denaries
Caldari Amarr Sisterhood of Galactic Sirens
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Posted - 2008.10.16 17:54:00 -
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The sheer amount of whine in this thread warrants cheese... It's also quite staggering. IF people are this ****ed off at CCP (lol why?) and the game (somewhat understandable), what the hell are they still hanging around for? EVE would, honestly, be better off without you. At least CCP would :D I can't imagine the absolute fun of reading prepube emorage posts all day.
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pulse1976
Far Edge Outcasts
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Posted - 2008.10.16 18:07:00 -
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There's too much negativity on this thread. I think that you should all be gratefull, I know I am, that CCP are releasing a FREE expansion. There is a certain game that WoW'd me with their new expansion, only thing is you need to pay extra for the expansion to continue playing that certain game!! In this day and age, free is good. Help CCP by providing constructive critisms, not whines! Don't make me use UPPERCASE! |
Decker Mourn
DS Industries
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Posted - 2008.10.16 18:11:00 -
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Edited by: Decker Mourn on 16/10/2008 18:12:53
Originally by: Lord Fitz
Originally by: Decker Mourn I find the number of players complaining that they can't improve their characters for free to be pretty funny. I bet these same people quit WoW for six months and came back expecting to have leveled to 60 while on cruise control.
That's not what they're complaining about.
a) the amount that they can train is limited One skill trained per account. Same way its been since the beginning. b) they have to PAY to get that improvement Heaven forbid you have to pay for the game you're supposedly playing! c) it will have a negative impact on CCPs finances (and not just from these people who do quit, but from all those who do not resubscribe because they lost that incentive). So not playing the game was an incentive to play the game? d) These people don't play WoW. Or if they do, they certainly won't be playing Eve again. If having to pay for the right to play and grow on the game bothers them that much, thats a shame. e) Eve is not in ANY way comparable to WoW, doing so just makes you look stupid. Go back to WoW. EVE and WoW are both MMOs that happen to use different faces. And a negative opinion doesn't make it a correct one. f) The players 'complaining' have probably almost all spent more money on Eve than the average Eve player. Apparently not if they cancelled their accounts in order to get ahead. g) Anyone who did use this, will now find their char is worth more as a result of the change. Hey, you found an upside to all this! h) CCP are deliberately or negligently lying about the reasons for this change I thought they were pretty honest about it. Enough people were doing it that they felt it wasn't fair for paying customers to be supporting nonpaying customers. They may have tried to fluff it a little, but it was pretty obvious it was about the money. i) The notice given was pathetic. Correcting a bug (which this was, regardless of how long it took for them to fix it) doesn't even really need a warning. Really would have been funny if people reactivated their subscriptions in four months and found their skill hadn't budged, huh? At least there was a warning. j) It is a FEATURE which was deliberately put in the game, it is NOT a feature of the Chinese version that launched years ago with an almost identical code base, so if it was unintended they could have with no effort 'fixed' it at that time. Just because they chose to leave it until now doesn't make it a "feature". It makes it a bug that they felt wasn't doing harm to others at the time. Enough stuff seems to break around here, why bother with things that aren't critical? k) It was advertised in the player guide, the forums, and word of mouth to other players. And now it won't be. Life goes on.
But no, just reduce it to 'whining that they can't get something for free' and you show the level of consideration required to be employed at CCP.
Personally I would rather they put the subscription cost up, I don't mind paying more for the game, I think the impact this will have on the server population and CCP's finances are far worse than any impact it will have on me. (It's not going to affect me 'directly').
Now, I'll have to admit, you are correct about one thing; I show a level of consideration. It just happens to be for someone besides myself. If you want to improve your character, play the game. If you feel that its unfair that other players pay for the game so that your character can get its Amarr Dreadnaught V or whatever skill you were ghosting... bummer.
Oh, and nearly forgot. The reason its called a "free expansion" is because you aren't paying forty bucks to pick it up in the store or to download it from the website. Feel pity for all those WoW players who are fixing to have to shell out 30-50 bucks per computer for their new update on top of paying this month's fee.
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schurem
Anarchy Inc.
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Posted - 2008.10.16 18:13:00 -
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so ah.. what IS this weapon linking shenannigan then? However, I still think EvE needs more and better tactical warning sounds.
<<<< No Boundaries, No Fences, Fly Free Or Die Trying >>>>
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Bartholomeus Crane
Gallente The Crane Family
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Posted - 2008.10.16 18:18:00 -
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Originally by: Rutger Centemus Seems like the PR - Department really is running the show now. Me thinks they could do with a little bit of training - might I suggest primary school?
Originally by: Bartholomeus Crane If this is supposed to be the 'industrialist' expansion, are you planning to do something about T2 BPOs?
They're currently interfering with the efficient working of the T2 market, and have been doing so since the introduction of invention.
At that time there was a discussion about replacing them with long-run T2 BPCs (like with the unlimited run BPCs), or introducing something like 'reverse engineering' that turns invented T2 BPCs into T2 BPOs that can be researched.
Either way, if the plan is to (also) wrap-up a long list of outstanding issues in this expansion, this is an issue that hasn't been addressed for a long time, is of a lot of interest to a large number of non-privileged industrialists, and would provide a fair and equal opportunity for all in T2 market PvP. ...
Not this shit again. No, I don't own t2 bpo's. Yes, I think you're 100% wrong.
Ahh, I see. So you admit you have no practical knowledge of the subject? And fail to provide any reasoning behind your position? Yet feel free to make childish quips and spout inane opinions?
Seems to me your brain isn't really running the show. Me thinks you could do with a little bit of training - might I suggest primary school? -- Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? |
Kalika Binat
Shad0wtech
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Posted - 2008.10.16 18:26:00 -
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still no news on when this is planned for release ?
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AleRiperKilt
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Posted - 2008.10.16 18:27:00 -
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- Are you going to add MOAR 0.0 regions by any chance? - Are you going to nerf my Iteron V? - And for pete's sake, do something about the cost of Bombs, they deal 20 times the damage of torps but it costs 200+ times in minerals to build them
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Casius Ontorus
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Posted - 2008.10.16 18:40:00 -
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It seems some people disliked what I said. You are correct, complaining is a part of game making. It is necessary in the development of great things. However what is happening here is beyond this. Complaining about a real problem makes perfect sense. Complaining about loosing the ability to move ungodly fast, because you got to the point where you are unable to adapt to new combat styles, because you lack the ability to, is not complaining. it is whining, and foolish. Combat is based on checks and balances. Minmitar will still be the fastest force in Eve. they just won''t be as fast. people will have to tactically analyze the situation and find new ways to fight. Do it. learn. develop something new to call your own proven tactic instead of just adhering to the regular boring tactics. Now as far as the updates being slim? yeah maybe.... we don't get every piece of content we wish for. For instance we started a wonderful graphics overhaul that is incomplete, we talk about ambulation which hasn't seen anything in game yet. We released a patch for empire goers rather than pvp, That's not slim. It's just not what you want. So yes complain. by all means do that. But please, don't pressure a group of people that have entertained us for five years because you aren't getting exactly what you want. In reality our customer support team is wonderful. I hope they continue to treat us well, despite all of our moaning, and again I look forward to the future Eve offers because no other game will get us nearly as close to it.
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Lion pride
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Posted - 2008.10.16 18:44:00 -
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Originally by: schurem so ah.. what IS this weapon linking shenannigan then?
People complained about rolling their face over the F1-F8 keys. With this feature, you'll only have to slam your forehead onto one key.
Should save on facial repairs.
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Laechyd Eldgorn
Caldari Karjala Inc.
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Posted - 2008.10.16 18:48:00 -
[299]
This expansion doesn't really seem to bring anything new to anything else than carebearing :( blob warfare upgrades for those few ruling kitty factions in 0.0 and more hello kitty shinies. It's not like I had ISK for either. I want tech 3 loot tables on my targets pls.
I can't say yay.
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Felisha Fu
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Posted - 2008.10.16 19:04:00 -
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This quantum nerf is the worst patch ever. I can't believe I have to wait months for a new expansion. I'd sit this one out, but now that I can't ghost train, I'm thinking of quitting.
gg CCP
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Gartanus
Caldari Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2008.10.16 19:11:00 -
[301]
Please! Please! Please dont nerf my missles. I have spent all this time and effort to get them to where they are . Now.....can we get a sneak peek at the Orca This space reserved for something witty..... |
Hi Lo
Faulty Solutions
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Posted - 2008.10.16 19:25:00 -
[302]
C'mon now CCP, where is the feature list? And not a week before this time too, more like NOW. Karl Kopalnia > omg Hi Lo is the name I use for all my gaming characters for 15 years--you're the one that took it :*( |
Hi Lo
Faulty Solutions
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Posted - 2008.10.16 19:27:00 -
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Originally by: Loc Maythan
Not really a great deal there of interest to me. Might change as more details become available. Extemely worried about the use of the word 'rebalancing' - my Iteron V is already finding clever places to hide. Hopefully "More to be revealed" will include a nice, long list of bug-fixes.
Loc.
Bugs are usually features and features are turned into bugs from my understanding with the ghost training issue. Karl Kopalnia > omg Hi Lo is the name I use for all my gaming characters for 15 years--you're the one that took it :*( |
Porgy
Foundation Sons of Tangra
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Posted - 2008.10.16 19:30:00 -
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Quote: The staged delivery of EVE Online: Quantum Rise began with the recent implementation of technological breakthroughs such as StacklessIO and EVE64 which upgraded the server hardware and streamlined communication between server and client to severely reduce lag.
ROFL!!!!!
Quote: The reality of thousands of ships simultaneously engaged in adrenaline-charged combat is at hand and several fleet battles have already been fought using this new technology.
Which reality was this again? If by fleet battles fought you meant a bunch of people swearing at their computer screens while they wait 5-7 mins for each module to activate...
Quote: Emboldened by the significant effects these improvements bring to high-level gameplay, CCP will push forward with a myriad of hardware and server improvements to bring the most massive player vs player experience available, expanding a boundless universe into a limitless one.
Yes, your track record for server "improvements" is impeccable. I Just can't wait for this new update. Im holding my breathe, really.... _______________________
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Borgholio
Minmatar Quantum Industries RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2008.10.16 19:36:00 -
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As the official copyright holders of the name "Quantum" we do not get a "rise" out of use of our name in this latest Expansion. We officially inform CCP that they are required to pay us royalties in the amount of 1bn ISK per week for the use of our name in any way, shape, or form. ----------------------------------- You will be assimilated...bunghole! |
DustBroS
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Posted - 2008.10.16 19:44:00 -
[306]
Rofl..
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Sabahl
Minmatar Game-Over
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Posted - 2008.10.16 20:02:00 -
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Edited by: Sabahl on 16/10/2008 20:02:22 Well a quantum (quanta?) is supposed to be the smallest unit of something that you can get so obviously this expansion is well named. |
Quicktime
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Posted - 2008.10.16 20:06:00 -
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Originally by: Razin
Originally by: Eternum Praetorian
Originally by: Quicktime "Wow" all the canceled accounts over the terrible design decisions now playable on SISI, (go form your own opinion donÆt take my word for it) caused CCP to create a press release and rename the Expand-o-Nerf to combat, creating more broken fluff to cover up the fact that they aren't fixing the real problems in the game play.
Using art resources to create interface elements is easy, programming them harder, but you know it doesn't effect game play in any positive sense, it's another attempt to "reward" what we already have, and give the young new players more guidance on what is happening, more spoon feeding, and hey we are designing this new game lets test the system on the current customer base, if it sucks we can find out now instead of when we release the new game to hopefully double our revenue stream, because EVE is only going to get so big.
Before you load us up with more crap finish this game, and then leave it alone. I know it's a thankless job, and you get *****ed for every decision you make right or wrong, you know if I sat in a design session and said hey lets have all the players sit still, and shoot a big sphere "POS shield" in a void with another textured sphere near by "moon" you guys would laugh me out of the room, and say nobody will like sitting still and shooting at something for hours, how could that be fun? This is the current state of POS warfare, and one example of many that has a long way to go.
Will walking in stations provide the technology for the new game, and provide this one with the ability for the players to land on the planets? If so Great!
Is the reason for the speed nerf really to do with walking in stations? Did we hit the limit of what can be simulated while people wander around a station, and combat is taking place? Was affecting combat in space? If so is the speed nerf required to fix this issue? I am sure spending the 20-30 mil on art and technology, with an eye toward the Vampire's game use of this tech only to find out it was going cripple space combat is a terrible reality to face, is killing the speed the only choice and forcing bad design decisions the only solution at this point? If so tell us we are smart people, get your engineers in public at bit more tell us the truth.
If your are a dev and burnt out on making this game, which would make perfect sense to me after this many years of doing it, any new game would be good, hire people that care taking this game to the next level, its only one of its kind in the world, and can get better.
White Wolf was cheap because the games they made aren't very popular by the way, Vampire's are cool, but you don't own them, and have the only Space game worth playing ever since the day of Elite on my Apple 2. Many people can put a vampire class or even create a vampire based game, the word Masquerade is not a sales point. My prediction is that Eve will remain more popular then Vampire.
I waste my time on this because I care about Eve, have been in your shoes, the last two years have been great, looking forward to two more! Yes I am a game developer, 18 years of it, yes a lot of what I am saying above is guess work based on the reality of making games, and yes I have had to deal with people like me on forums for games like this.
Keep the fire burning guys, finish this game it's the best I have played, don't let it die!
This puts it best I think.
It may be well-intentioned, but all it shows is Quicktime's and your own ignorance of the meaning and the extent of the changes that are being implemented.
Like I stated it's a lot of guess work, and slightly based on conversations with the devs at GDC two years ago, I asked them about this issue specifically when they showed me the walking in stations prototype, and was told at the time they didn't have an engineering solution but were working on it. Only so much you can do per frame.
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Bagehi
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.10.16 20:13:00 -
[309]
I propose December 14th be the release date. The birthday of Quantum Mechanics? It would only be fitting.
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Illectroculus Defined
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Posted - 2008.10.16 20:16:00 -
[310]
You just need to adapt your eleet ghost training skills and redirect them towards 'ghost expansioning' - problem solved, just let your account go inactive until the next expasion comes out and you can feel that you're getting something for free again.
Originally by: Ban Enlai This talk of 'free' is a little misleading, I pay a monthly fee to play the game and CCP have decided that this is their business model - a larger monthly fee than most MMOs but you get patches and expansions included. I am afraid that does not make it free, no company, CCP included, give stuff away or if they do, they would not have been around for as many years as CCP have. As to the announcement, perhaps it is a poor PR attempt to distract from the 133 page 'feedback' thread concerning Ghost Training but short of CCP coming on the forums and whining themselves about all their customers hating them and that they were going to quit, they had little other recourse. So far this 'Expansion' is only such by name its really just a normal patch as far as I can see.
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CCP Explorer
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Posted - 2008.10.16 20:21:00 -
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Originally by: Howatch Johalla It is always nice to be able to count on good fun and lots of smiles when reading the forums when new expansion is advertised.
We're having fun over in Chribba's thread.
Originally by: Howatch Johalla For me this expansion looks like a good one even if it is a bit thin.
EVE Online: Quantum Rise is a staged delivery and began with the deployment of technology features, StacklessIO, EVE64 and hardware upgrades, as well as features such as the autopilot avoidance. The main reasons we're deploying the expansion in stages is that we wanted to be able to measure a before-and-after of the technology improvements and also to minimise deployment risk.
Later deployments (coming soon to a computer near you) will include even more DB optimisations and Need for Speed improvements, and more features, such as Storefronts, Certificates, Medals, Weapon Grouping, a new industrial ship, and more stuff yet to be announced.
Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson Software Director EVE Online, CCP Games |
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Aluura Sky
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Posted - 2008.10.16 20:25:00 -
[312]
Originally by: Ancy Denaries The sheer amount of whine in this thread warrants cheese... It's also quite staggering. IF people are this ****ed off at CCP (lol why?) and the game (somewhat understandable), what the hell are they still hanging around for? EVE would, honestly, be better off without you. At least CCP would :D I can't imagine the absolute fun of reading prepube emorage posts all day.
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Here you go buddy!
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Sir SmellyFart
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Posted - 2008.10.16 21:05:00 -
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Not getting too fired up atm... Too little info on what things are really going to be like.
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Borgholio
Minmatar Quantum Industries RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2008.10.16 21:06:00 -
[314]
Originally by: CCP Explorer
Originally by: Howatch Johalla It is always nice to be able to count on good fun and lots of smiles when reading the forums when new expansion is advertised.
We're having fun over in Chribba's thread.
Originally by: Howatch Johalla For me this expansion looks like a good one even if it is a bit thin.
EVE Online: Quantum Rise is a staged delivery and began with the deployment of technology features, StacklessIO, EVE64 and hardware upgrades, as well as features such as the autopilot avoidance. The main reasons we're deploying the expansion in stages is that we wanted to be able to measure a before-and-after of the technology improvements and also to minimise deployment risk.
Later deployments (coming soon to a computer near you) will include even more DB optimisations and Need for Speed improvements, and more features, such as Storefronts, Certificates, Medals, Weapon Grouping, a new industrial ship, and more stuff yet to be announced.
When can we some general info on the Orca? Last I heard it was a highsec Rorqual, is that true? What kinds of differences can we expect between the Orca and the Rorqual? ----------------------------------- You will be assimilated...bunghole! |
Abrazzar
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Posted - 2008.10.16 21:07:00 -
[315]
Originally by: CCP Explorer and more stuff yet to be announced.
Quoting the important part that people love to ignore.
-------- Ideas for: Mining
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Anubis Assassin
Caldari Heavens Gate Consortium
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Posted - 2008.10.16 21:33:00 -
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Originally by: Aluura Sky Edited by: Aluura Sky on 16/10/2008 21:09:48
Originally by: Ancy Denaries The sheer amount of whine in this thread warrants cheese... It's also quite staggering. IF people are this ****ed off at CCP (lol why?) and the game (somewhat understandable), what the hell are they still hanging around for? EVE would, honestly, be better off without you. At least CCP would :D I can't imagine the absolute fun of reading prepube emorage posts all day.
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My battle against the "LAG" was lost! good luck to you all.
Here you go buddy!
Your stuff, can I haz it?
Also, I think Quantum Rise probably got a little push from the 007 movie, but I'm seeing "Quantum Rise" as "The rise of Science and Industry"... I think most of you are little too narrow minded..
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Emo Jelli
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Posted - 2008.10.16 22:20:00 -
[317]
What a shit name! Get off the James Bond bandwagon - it won't help save the Icelandic Banking system anyways.
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Sarin Adler
Caldari Dark Shadow Cartel
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Posted - 2008.10.16 22:58:00 -
[318]
Originally by: Sabahl Edited by: Sabahl on 16/10/2008 20:02:22 Well a quantum (quanta?) is supposed to be the smallest unit of something that you can get so obviously this expansion is well named.
Quality.
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Cosy Ceaon
Gallente Aliastra
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Posted - 2008.10.16 23:24:00 -
[319]
i can only say WTF u announce a expansion and the content have to be done -LOL also u have 2 months until u release the expansion
CCP u fail
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Ram Paige
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Posted - 2008.10.16 23:36:00 -
[320]
OK, quite simply when it comes down to it, it's eve,wow,or nothing. Now I recently quit wow for eve and I couldn't be happier. My problem with wow was that EVERYONE was endgame, if you saw some low lvl running past it has at least 2 max level alts before it and so they release the expansion. OK now everyone is max level again within a couple of weeks and before you know it everyone has been there and done that. I am not here to put anyone down and from a non-biased point of view I will say that eve is still a great game because there are still people at the bottom as well as at the top and that gives you incentive to keep playing As far as the expanision goes I agree with most: yes it is a couple of patches shoved together, but no it isn't anything to complain about.
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Anig Browl
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.10.16 23:38:00 -
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Um, OK. I'll make my thoughts brief.
Ghost training: I have no sympathy whatsoever.
Ambulation: you have so many other games to choose from. Enjoy. If this comes in I will look around once and then go back to being a fat pod blob, because I joined this game to fly spaceships, not dress up silly clothes and fire laser pistols at dancing girls. I already have enough of that in my day job.
Weapon linking: sounds good, anything that reduces lag makes me happy.
Stackless I/O, 64 bit etc.: Here's hoping. I mostly fly missions, and I wonder why they have to be so stuttery - can't the data be preloaded during warp, instead of my client freezing when I drop out of warp (always wondering if I'm going to be missing half my shield when it's moving again. It's tolerable, but anything that speeds it up is great. One day I'll have enough money for a t1 direct to Iceland or something, and I'll still lose ships.
Storefronts: Cool idea. I hope it will allow for public loan and freeform contracts. There is a lot of interesting PvP type stuff possible with contracts (not just pricing ripoffs) that goes unexplored right now. I feel that many new and interesting 'professions' could evolve in a player-driven skill market, just as interesting economic patterns have developed in the player-driven item market.
Certificates: I suppose it makes life a bit easier for new players. That's a good thing.
Medals: Not personally interested. Maybe useful to other people.
Graphics: I guess I am the only person who is mostly satisfied with standard graphics. Next time I have money to build a new PC I will ooh and aah over them, but I understand they're very important to a lot of people and I'm being old-fashioned.
New Capital industrial ship: YES; I have been one of the ones loudly demanding such a thing. I'm assuming something between a Rorqual and a freighter, with some slots. I have always thought the freighter was a big waste of time, who wants to fly a ship with no slots?
Rebalancing Industrials/Industry changes: Mini rant here...
Rebalancing how? Will it be easier? Harder? WHAT? It's very frustrating to know changes are coming but not how to prepare for them. For example, a few expansions ago when new players were given a big starter boost, it was really upsetting to older players who had just missed the cut and felt they'd 'lost' their first six weeks of work.
I understand that you can't please everyone, and that there will be winers and losers and inevitable forum drama. But if you want to announce a change, CCP, you can minimize that by giving some direction. For example, I LIKE hauling - so I'm excited. But should I now halt my other plans and work really hard to train industrial ships V? Or will I be allowed to fly transport ships with Industrial ship IV (especially since I can train transports right now, but not fly them)? If transports get boosted, it's worth it. If they become more accessible, I've spent 10 days training for a 5% increase in capacity that I could live without. More slots? More speed? Bigger hold? A new ship? Less of something else? WHAT?!!
In short, please give us an opportunity to prepare. We'll grumble anyway, but not as much if we can get positioned for a new change rather than just discovering who the winners and losers are the day the expansion rolls out.
'and much more...': Have you seen the new Batman movie? You know that scene in the police station, with the Joker looking at Batman like he can't believe he's hearing this clicheed nonsense? OK, that's how I feel about this.
So I'll just remind CCP of the commercial truth that you provide the product, but your customers are the ones that sell it. 'Marketing' to existing customers is alienating; either say nothing or be specific.
Thank you.
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Bomberlocks
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Posted - 2008.10.17 01:06:00 -
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I don't think I'm really wildy excited by this announcement at all. This is a long post, so please bare with me.
I (as I've pointed out elsewhere before) am a fairly new player to eve, with about three months on the ball now, and while I am seriously addicted to the game some of the design decisions and the way they are implemented really, seriously puzzle me.
The main thing that puzzles me is communication aspect of CCP where you have the macho bragging that CCP's CEO has done at various game expos, while peddling the in-station walkabouts or the planetary landing ability, but then never ever actually doing anything about it again after getting some popular press, and the way that dev's communicate here on the forums in a way that mostly seems to give people the impression that they don't give a flying f**k what their customers think.
Consider that one of the devs (or was it the CEO?) claimed that the station walkabout was simply to attract woman players because woman players didn't like "being ships".
Consider the same person making somewhat vague claims that eve's supposed superiority over other MMOGs was its lack of sharding and that the very steep learning curve for new players were somehow "elite" and that CCP didn't actually want players to have it easy in the game, that they only wanted the elite who would perservere until they had something that wouldn't drop dead at the sight of a tricked out AS. The guy was actually proud of the fact that they then had only 300 000 subscribers as opposed to WoW's 8 million or so.
Today I read the QEN, the eve economic report, only to discover that eve has never had 300 000 players, but has been inching up from 200 000 for a year or so. Today I read about this new patch which will introduce yet another level of complexity to what is already an extraordinarily complex game (certificates) in what is supposed to be an attempt to make it easier for new players to figure out what skills do what.
I wonder what exactly is going on at CCP? To me, the real problem with eve seems to be an utter lack of focus, with developers and producers attempting to balance out features which can never be balanced, since every single change seems to bring other imbalances into the game. Introducing new levels of complexity does not make the situation any simpler, and each new change only seems to anger more and more people, as people who have been playing and training skills for months and years are left with nothing except their real life money ($,ú etc) gone with not much to show for it.
Eve is still VERY hard for new players, and suggestions like official PvP duels (to allow people to duke it out earlier in eve) or dummy ammo go unanswered, as do improvements in the help system and online game info.
Eve was, is, and will always be unbalanced as regards to race, ships, modules and other features. It's like a neural circuit that someone is trying to balance by tweaking things, but the long requested features and player suggestions are simply left unanswered (except for occasional bored dev wisecracking).
CSM is simply a joke, Period. CCP does not really make much of an attempt to get player feedback in any useful sense (polls, votes, forms etc, i.e. METHODICAL feedback as opposed to the anger fest that these forums degenerate into).
People are cancelling subscriptions (and my new second account, Gallente, nerfed before it even gets off the ground makes me feel like cancelling mine too, along with my newly nerfed Minmatar 1st account) because they are frustrated and because, as the Icelandic CCP probably knows very well, the real life economy is on the way down and people are not inclined to waste money on things that only frustrate them.
CCP, listen to the players, do feedback and communication in a methodical fashion. Demonstrate that you care about your players, because, ultimately, we pay your salaries.
I apologise for this long rant. Had to get it off my chest.
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Pbs
Pumpkin Scissors
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Posted - 2008.10.17 01:41:00 -
[323]
Well, i think all Quantum Rising will be a one big fail. They can take all medals and certificates and stick it deeper in their big, pink EGO. I try this "features" on test server - its just dolefully peace of s..omething. New graphics? LOL. I can bet, that we will fly through planets as before, and all models will stay the same, just with more poligons and textures - even if they were really ugly. Why i think so? This is CCP. From all possible ways they choose the most dumbest one.
Remember Trinity? It was a good possibility to make redisigne of all ugly ships (90% of Caldary ships, for exemple), and they did nothing. At least, they could make them SYMMETRIC...
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Scar Spice
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Posted - 2008.10.17 01:44:00 -
[324]
Originally by: CCP FAILBoat The staged delivery of EVE Online: Quantum Rise began...
Really? Gee whiz and whillakers! Here I thought all that stuff was part of EA... isn't that why you have been patching EA and telling us it is part of EA? Oh wait... yeah I forgot... you lie!
Under the "cone of silence"... CCP Spindoctor: That stuff that we added during EA is ACTUALLY part of the thing that will allow all we touch to turn to gold... oops... let's not let our loyal customer base know our inside joke... Call out the rebranding group... GIVE US A NEW NAME STAT!... CCP Rebranding Lackey: ummm, how about Quantum Rise?... you know... like a 4X increase in profits??? Not realted to the show Quantum LEAP I've been watching reruns of recently... really, I promise! CCP Spindoctor: O.o o.O GENIUS! Those whiny "subscribers" will never figure that out!
Meanwhile, outside of the cone of silence... Disgruntled subscriber: Ummm, dudes... that cone of silence thing doesn't work we heard all of that.
The cone of silence gets lifted... CCP Spindoctor: Here... want a medal? ohhh shiny... you know you want it! Oh, and you are only thinking that we are money-grubbers... We really care about you... oh look a new ship! You can send us your golden geese now AND YOU WILL LIKE IT! Or we will take more of your stuffz from you!
Fallout, how can you let them keep giving you the crap announcement jobs? Do they think you will improve as you continue to try and fail so miserably?
More to come... once I finish reading through that pile of fecal matter that was posted... Such important comments left for "further improvements" such as fixing the AutoPilot.
Money talks - BS walks!
Scar |
Caiman Graystock
Comrades in Construction Anarchy.
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Posted - 2008.10.17 01:44:00 -
[325]
It would be nice to not have wasted so much time reading to responses in this thread by whingy little *****es complaining about ****ing ghost training. If it's that much of a problem just get the **** out already and be done with it!
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ViolenTUK
Gallente Vindicated Exiles
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Posted - 2008.10.17 02:07:00 -
[326]
It should be clear to all that the forthcoming ôQuantum Riseö expansion announcement was ahead of schedule since there was a clear need to shift attention from the ôGhost trainingö issue which has been CCPÆs most controversial decision to date.
I am however looking forward to further details.
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Epegi Givo
Amarr Ministry of War
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Posted - 2008.10.17 03:38:00 -
[327]
Don't know if this was brought up before in the thread, cause I don't have the patience to read 11 pages, but cluster turrets and cluster missiles would be REALLY nice. What I am saying is that an Abaddon fires what the 6 lasers at a target, the server counts it as 6 lasers, but it is animated as 24 lasers hitting the target, from 24 different turrets.
But lets keep this somewhat reasonable, a frigate shouldn't be cluster turreted, cause its so small, but a dreadnaught or titan should be clustered to hell. seeing a huge ship like a dreadnought fire only 3 lasers isn't that exciting, but seeing the dreadnaught fire 60 or so lasers is REALLY exciting. And shots landing on different parts of the enemy ship is sorta needed.
Also missies coming from different parts of your ship would be nice, and on the same lines of cluster turrets, cluster missiles, where a raven animated 3 missiles flying out at once instead of one. And finally, missiles being animated as moving around in their flight, instead of flying in that straight line.
Pull all this off, and EVE may be rated as one of the best graphics games there are, and definitely the best graphics MMO there is.
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Zeba
Minmatar Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2008.10.17 04:44:00 -
[328]
Originally by: Abrazzar
Originally by: CCP Explorer and more stuff yet to be announced.
Quoting the important part that people love to ignore.
Eh its just alot of annoyed players venting and acting out on the forums over certain changes. Think of it as a theraputic activity and also helping the family pet avoid any undue torture by an emoragequit owner.
inappropriate signature. ~WeatherMan |
Rayda Hapit
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Posted - 2008.10.17 06:15:00 -
[329]
only suggestion I can think of at this particular moment (and yes, I'm a pve player) is a ship that can carry assembled ships around in high sec space. Its rather annoying moving from one agent to another and having to take 20 trips back and forth just to get my missioning/salvage/hauling ships to the new agent.
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Morwen Lagann
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2008.10.17 06:41:00 -
[330]
Originally by: OneSock You know I'd just be happy with a UI that stayed where I've pinned it.
Same. It's getting really annoying having to move my windows back to where I want them *every time I undock*, even with the "lock pinned windows in position" option set.
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corebloodbrothers
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Posted - 2008.10.17 07:53:00 -
[331]
Gratz on the new expansion
bigger fights sound fun!! new industrial ship is great!! wonder what that will do the the growht of POS networks!!
cant believe the *****ing and negativity, but I guess thats says more about the people then the game. I have no lag in 0.0
its great u guys keep the pace going, introducing new stuff will fix old problemsand revail new ones, such is life.
End of ghost trianing ! finally! about time that got fixed, and if u re it for a few isk orsomethign, good riddens. Who knows, maybe soon we can pay to train all 3 chars, and pay for liek 2 ??
i hope they introduce the remote reproccesing skill, want that so bad!
gonan open a bottle of champagne to celebrate the new release!! cheers and i cant wait
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Midas Man
Caldari Dzark Asylum
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Posted - 2008.10.17 08:43:00 -
[332]
Originally by: CCP Explorer
Originally by: Howatch Johalla For me this expansion looks like a good one even if it is a bit thin.
EVE Online: Quantum Rise is a staged delivery and began with the deployment of technology features, StacklessIO, EVE64 and hardware upgrades, as well as features such as the autopilot avoidance. The main reasons we're deploying the expansion in stages is that we wanted to be able to measure a before-and-after of the technology improvements and also to minimise deployment risk.
Later deployments (coming soon to a computer near you) will include even more DB optimisations and Need for Speed improvements, and more features, such as Storefronts, Certificates, Medals, Weapon Grouping, a new industrial ship, and more stuff yet to be announced.
Well marks for originality,
This is the first time any MMO ive played has announced a future expansion giving very few details most of which are features and upgrades that have already been implemented/rolled out.
This wouldn't have anything to do with trying to hide the other threads that have been locked/dissapeared? To try and reduce the massive ammount of unhappy customers.
I can see how a few pages of people excited about a new expansion is a better signal to give to investers than 200+ of disgruntalled customers.
Congrats on another job well done judging from the feed back so far
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bad candy
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Posted - 2008.10.17 08:58:00 -
[333]
without having read allllllll the pages....
for the new release i'd wish CCP would add a submenu to the drone settings:
only attack
"frigates", "cruisers", "battleships", "<= cruiser", ">=cruiser" and so on.....
that'd really improve drone usage!
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Rach NiKunni
Royal Enterprise Bionic Dawn
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Posted - 2008.10.17 09:08:00 -
[334]
Originally by: Zeba
Originally by: Abrazzar
Originally by: CCP Explorer and more stuff yet to be announced.
Quoting the important part that people love to ignore.
Eh its just alot of annoyed players venting and acting out on the forums over certain changes. Think of it as a theraputic activity and also helping the family pet avoid any undue torture by an emoragequit owner.
I tend to disagree with that assessment. To me it comes across as abusive "spoiled brat" behaviour punctuated by serious communication short-comings that make some people unable to express an opinion without "playing the man". It's embarrassing to read and I feel sorry for the DEVs that they have to put up with this.
On another note, I hope it's not too late to make a couple of suggestions for the "more features to be announced later" category. Since we're doing an industrial update:
1) PLEEEEEEAAAAASSEEE PLEASE PLEASE implement the ability to select all corp BPO's and unlock them all at once. One vote, One sanctioning action. If you've ever needed to move house and unlock hundreds of BPO's sanction hundreds of votes and then lock hundreds of BPO's again once they're moved, you'll understand. Counting mouse clicks, moving 500 BPO's requires something like 6000 mouse clicks. It could be done with 10 (maybe less).
2) Can we get bigger fuel bays on POS's please? The logistics nightmare grows exponentially with the increase of numbers of POS's and numbers of systems where you have POS's.
3) Can we get ice belts with all 4 types of ice, please. Maybe one isotope per belt in high-sec, 2 in low-sec and all 4 in 0.0 or something, maybe.
4) Likewise it would be handy if some moons had ice to mine so we could lighten the POS logistics load a bit.
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Xeronn
Amarr Ordo Drakonis Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2008.10.17 09:31:00 -
[335]
it is WAAAY above my understanding why some people are sooo eager to suck up to CCP even when CCP is obviously shiting around on the playerbase any chanche they get
a lot of people ask "why so much whining, why just not leave?"
Because CCP (used to?) have a very loyal playerbase that cares about the game and isnt going to walk out on the first sign of trouble or when the first world of whatever comes along, so yea some whine and moan and ***** about what they percieve as damage to the game insteat of jumping the bandwagon . Some may EVEn call it loyalty? You know , like real loyalty to a product , not blindly sucking up to the producers
But then again I guess from a business point of view, this is not the ideal customer/playerbase , so CCP is obviously aiming at the playerbase more used to migrating from "world" to "world" as soon as something shiny comes along.
So forget "nerfs" and "additions" , how in HER holly name can you not see the total disaster that is CCP`s PR lately??
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davcin
Caldari davcin Corp
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Posted - 2008.10.17 09:38:00 -
[336]
Expected release date?
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ClimberDave
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Posted - 2008.10.17 10:49:00 -
[337]
Originally by: Sabahl Edited by: Sabahl on 16/10/2008 20:02:22 Well a quantum (quanta?) is supposed to be the smallest unit of something that you can get so obviously this expansion is well named.
ROFL
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Bartholomeus Crane
Gallente The Crane Family
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Posted - 2008.10.17 11:14:00 -
[338]
Personally it's quite clear what happened.
Originally Walking in Stations was planned as the December expansion this year. But over the summer and afterwards it became clear that the expansion wouldn't be ready for that data, or only in an unstable state. Instead of releasing something that wouldn't work and was hyped up to a certain amount, CCP has decided the release an interim expansion with a number of things already released and some new stuff while balancing and finishing a number of long-term outstanding issues.
I don't mind much. There are a lot of things that need fixing and balancing and the new stuff looks appealing as well and I prefer a working but later released Walking in Stations over a buggy and half-finished one. I do wish CCP would be more upfront about it though. All this spin-doctoring is neither necessary or appreciated much. -- Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? |
SFX Bladerunner
Naval Protection Corp
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Posted - 2008.10.17 11:45:00 -
[339]
I am reading a lot of mixed opinions about the new 'speed nerf' so I thought I would just give my small little opinion about it.
Now before I start, I would have to state that I am minmatar myself and love flying ships such as the vagabond. Saying I am not biased would be a lie
HOWEVER: People seem to feel that a cruiser or even battleship shouldn't be able to keep up with a frigate.. why? Because in REAL space, it doesn't matter how big your ship is. All that matters is the thrust/mass ratio. To put it simple: a ship that is twice the size as another ship should be able to go JUST as fast if the engine is twice the size of that other smaller ship aswell. This is talking VELOCITY by the way. There is no way in hell you can justify the fact that bigger ships go slower. Now AGILITY however, that is a completely different subject. It WOULD make (some) sense to have bigger ships turn slower.
Wouldn't this be enough for you damn OMG MINMATAR NEEEDS SPEEDNERF ZOMGOMZGOMG people? Why can't you guys still let my phoon go faster than 1km/s in return for it having a horrible agility?
This would in my opinion be much more fair, and realistic aswell.
Regarding this new expansion however: Haven't really seen anything I might be interrested in, that is, untill they release the actual specs on the ORCA.
Oh and also... TECH TWO BPOS ARE COMING BACK? RAWRRRRRRR YAY __________________________________________________
History is much like an endless waltz, the three beats of war, peace and revolution continue on forever.. |
Gods Coldblood
Atomic Battle Penguins
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Posted - 2008.10.17 11:55:00 -
[340]
Can we just get down to it and nerf this expansion? ____________________________ My video Way of the Warrior : Gladiator |
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Rach NiKunni
Royal Enterprise Bionic Dawn
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Posted - 2008.10.17 12:02:00 -
[341]
Originally by: Xeronn it is WAAAY above my understanding why some people are sooo eager to suck up to CCP even when CCP is obviously shiting around on the playerbase any chanche they get
a lot of people ask "why so much whining, why just not leave?"
Because CCP (used to?) have a very loyal playerbase that cares about the game and isnt going to walk out on the first sign of trouble or when the first world of whatever comes along, so yea some whine and moan and ***** about what they percieve as damage to the game insteat of jumping the bandwagon . Some may EVEn call it loyalty? You know , like real loyalty to a product , not blindly sucking up to the producers
But then again I guess from a business point of view, this is not the ideal customer/playerbase , so CCP is obviously aiming at the playerbase more used to migrating from "world" to "world" as soon as something shiny comes along.
So forget "nerfs" and "additions" , how in HER holly name can you not see the total disaster that is CCP`s PR lately??
Well.... I think this post might have been addressed to me so let me respond to a couple of things:
1) Sucking up. You make two points here, the first of which is to equate my discomfort with some people's pointed attacks on the devs with "sucking up". I don't think I need to explain it in detail, but there is a clear difference between expressing your opinion about something and making a personal attack on the party you disagree with. The first (even if brought passionately) is an exchange of views and the second is just rude and disrespectful and seldom communicates a useful message. Secondly, you then proceed to demonstrate what I'm talking about by saying "CCP is shitting with the customer base" (paraphrased). I don't think this part deserves a written response. <insert long pause and deliberate eye contact here while the coin falls>
2) I'm sure CCP has some business reasons for some of the changes to make the game more accessible to the WOW-type players whose tolerance for a steep learning curve and "vigorous" game play is perhaps more limited than the average hard-core EVE player. In other words carebears are getting some propping up, like safer high-sec space, more missions and faction-warfare to level out the PVP learning curve. They've made numerous other changes in the last couple of releases, most of which I saw as either making it easier to get started or to change game dynamics in some way or another. Niether of those are objectionalbe to me. I doubt very much that I will ever "do" faction warfare and I personally think their programming talents could have gone to much better use but while I disagree with having implemented FW, I'm not bothered by the fact that it's there. As for all the changes in dynamics (the upcoming speed nerf being one of them), these are all things that make EVE interesting. We have to "relearn" some tactics and "adapt" to changes. This keeps me (like a good little mouse in the CCP maze) interested enough to keep trying to perfect my game. Without these changes, the game could get a little dull. I don't *like* the fact that my inty isn't going to be as useful in the future, but I *will* adapt, and the fact that CCP keeps presenting us with this challenge is nothing but positive in my mind.
Finally, you mention a PR disaster. I fail to see it. I like this game and I don't personally think anything they've changed in the last couple of releases has categorically changed it for the worse.
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Blitzkrieging Rommel
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Posted - 2008.10.17 12:07:00 -
[342]
Ghost(playing without paying)Training. No loss to me. Speed nerfs? Meh, I fly amarr ships and we all know how fast they are. ha ha
What I want is my darn T2 tormentor. yah!
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Lord Fitz
Project Amargosa
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Posted - 2008.10.17 12:09:00 -
[343]
Originally by: Blitzkrieging Rommel Ghost(playing without paying)Training. No loss to me.
Ghost training is actually about paying without playing, not playing without paying. You can't take advantage of 'ghost training' without paying for multiple accounts in the first place.
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Ecaf Ersa
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Posted - 2008.10.17 12:26:00 -
[344]
Well whatever - however the game comes out the whiney b*****s will carry on playing anyway.
BUT CCP do need to be a bit more clear and upfront - any financial institution that gave info that failed to match the reality would be come down on very heavily by the regulators - OK this is not a financial institution but they charge for their services in an "up-front" fashion so should act more responsibly in this way.
Case in point - the EVE log-in screen still says "The server will be up at 12:15 UTC due to hardware changes." - At 12:20 we get a message saying starting in 10 minutes - whats the bet that won't be met either. A silly point but people are paying for the service and we get no refund for lost time.
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Blitzkrieging Rommel
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Posted - 2008.10.17 12:29:00 -
[345]
So your character continues to train on an account you suspended....means your playing without paying. If I am mistaken, then why are peeps complaining about getting rid of ghost training?
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zandayus
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Posted - 2008.10.17 12:36:00 -
[346]
[left]null[/leftcan we get a min charon frieghter that can pickup more than one 130k load from a hulk or the other tech 1/2 mining ships.ned to have a tactor beam hi slot.also should not ther be a special use hi slot on all the cureent mining ships so they can move their cans around when mining in a asteriod belt.
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Jed Clampett
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Posted - 2008.10.17 12:38:00 -
[347]
Originally by: Blitzkrieging Rommel So your character continues to train on an account you suspended....means your playing without paying. If I am mistaken, then why are peeps complaining about getting rid of ghost training?
Actaully it means you have hit a point of boredom and disgust with training some skill -- but you willing to resume paying and playing later --a ssuming you don't have to pay for that boring wait for major skill to train. We talking only 1 skill level since there are no skill queues.
I don't know if CCP is just greedy about making you pay when you don't feel like playing that toon actively -- or maybe CCP is responding to complaints from people who think they are at disadvantage somehow to people with characters gone inactive.
I do think CCP will find many high level players deciding to just quit now that skilling up a character farther is more expensive.
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Ap0ll0n
Gallente Lone Star Joint Venture Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2008.10.17 12:39:00 -
[348]
Originally by: SFX Bladerunner I am reading a lot of mixed opinions about the new 'speed nerf' so I thought I would just give my small little opinion about it.
Now before I start, I would have to state that I am minmatar myself and love flying ships such as the vagabond. Saying I am not biased would be a lie
HOWEVER: People seem to feel that a cruiser or even battleship shouldn't be able to keep up with a frigate.. why? Because in REAL space, it doesn't matter how big your ship is. All that matters is the thrust/mass ratio. To put it simple: a ship that is twice the size as another ship should be able to go JUST as fast if the engine is twice the size of that other smaller ship aswell. This is talking VELOCITY by the way. There is no way in hell you can justify the fact that bigger ships go slower. Now AGILITY however, that is a completely different subject. It WOULD make (some) sense to have bigger ships turn slower.
Wouldn't this be enough for you damn OMG MINMATAR NEEEDS SPEEDNERF ZOMGOMZGOMG people? Why can't you guys still let my phoon go faster than 1km/s in return for it having a horrible agility?
This would in my opinion be much more fair, and realistic aswell.
Regarding this new expansion however: Haven't really seen anything I might be interrested in, that is, untill they release the actual specs on the ORCA.
Oh and also... TECH TWO BPOS ARE COMING BACK? RAWRRRRRRR YAY
When a ship outruns other players weapons by far, its considered broken IMO. And when your only counter to a vaga is either a Rapier/Huginn or another Vaga, it is even more broken.
Tbh, the only use for Battleships as it is now, is to carebear missions/ratting, or to act as mini-dreads for POS takedowns. That way, the only combat you are going to see in 0.0 forinstance, is nanoships, as they are the only ships that are able to shoot at the other nanoships.
I don¦t realy have a problem with nanoships, i just think that their speed have gone too far, and there are no viable counters to them. I didn¦t wan¦t a speednerf like the ones proposed, i¦d just like some more counters, like scripts for webs, or stuff like that.
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Jed Clampett
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Posted - 2008.10.17 12:42:00 -
[349]
Originally by: Blitzkrieging Rommel So your character continues to train on an account you suspended....means your playing without paying. If I am mistaken, then why are peeps complaining about getting rid of ghost training?
Actually it means you have hit a point of boredom and disgust with training some skill -- but you willing to resume paying and playing later...assuming you don't have to pay for that boring wait for a major skill to train. We are talking only 1 skill level since there are no skill queues.
I don't know if CCP is just greedy about making you pay when you don't feel like playing that toon actively -- or maybe CCP is responding to complaints from people who think they are at disadvantage somehow to people with characters gone inactive.
I do think CCP will find many high level players deciding to just quit now that skilling up a character farther is more expensive.
But then again reducing the number of outrageously skilled toons is probably the actual thrust of killing off "ghost training". Losing a few old players is probably viewed as worth it is CCP can have fewer newer player quit in the face of their uberness.
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Jed Clampett
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Posted - 2008.10.17 12:48:00 -
[350]
I agree Rach NiKunni is sucking up. (paraphrasing) "No view but the developers view is valid because they own EVE -- and I like their pursuit of WoW players like myself."
But he is right that some people are excessively rude in their phrasing of opinions against the direction of development. Still customers can have valid opinions too.
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Jed Clampett
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Posted - 2008.10.17 12:54:00 -
[351]
Looks to me that this release is mainly about implementing all those speed fixes CCP originally claimed couldn't be done or wouldn't make a difference. I can see that would be disruptive to the original winter content. But is very much needed.
LOL -- I don't know for sure but yes I can that maybe the other changes are easy cosmetic changes to disguise the fact that indeed this is mainly a game performance mechanics fix.
Even if it is silly PR I don't have too much problem with it. There would like be a mob scene to a pure fix performance release. Many people are addicted to new features.
I do hope that they don't nerf too much old stuff. I prefer the new stuff to simply be better or truly alternative approach.
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Jed Clampett
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Posted - 2008.10.17 13:23:00 -
[352]
Originally by: SFX Bladerunner
HOWEVER: People seem to feel that a cruiser or even battleship shouldn't be able to keep up with a frigate.. why? Because in REAL space, it doesn't matter how big your ship is. All that matters is the thrust/mass ratio...
AGILITY however, that is a completely different subject. It WOULD make (some) sense to have bigger ships turn slower.
Actually this is not necessarily true. Lack of air resistance often does not eliminate large mass issues. In the real world engine size (thrust) is occasionally limited by little things like cooling. That is right the more thrust, the bigger the engine, the harder it is to cool. It can also be harder to do precision tooling.
Now when you talk stardrives...well you might start dealing with issues like "why can't stars have unlimited mass?" Because Suzy at around 16 solar masses you start running into conditions where supernova and a resultant black hole or neutron star might form.
So basically the amount of thrust from engines is likely not unlimited nor linear with engine size. Also the price of engines is probably not linear with thrust either. Plus there are like nonlinear (i.e exponentially increasing) powergrid issues.
That may be what T3 turns out to be -- the engines formerly considered too expensive to build and sell for the amount of increased thrust. But now some people are saying they are willing to pay.
First agility would just be ramping up turning thrusters and maybe stiffening structure (the spine or keel in real ocean ships). Hmmm...yes backbone structure may also be a limiting factor on linear speed and sluggishness even given a powerful enough engine.
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Geo Max
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Posted - 2008.10.17 14:24:00 -
[353]
I hope this new expansion have support for Dual Display. It will be nice if you can play whit your ship in one monitor, and the game windows or the map display in the other.
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davcin
Caldari davcin Corp
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Posted - 2008.10.17 15:14:00 -
[354]
Is the release date released yet?
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Erik Finnegan
Gallente Polytechnique Gallenteenne
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Posted - 2008.10.17 15:44:00 -
[355]
To all the whiners out there: Save your breath, and get involved!
And good for you: you need not even be a grown-up.
To all others: vote!
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flaming phantom
Minmatar Tyrell Corp INTERDICTION
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Posted - 2008.10.17 16:14:00 -
[356]
/me wonders if the title has anything to do with the new james bond movie...
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Rach NiKunni
Royal Enterprise Bionic Dawn
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Posted - 2008.10.17 17:13:00 -
[357]
Originally by: Jed Clampett I agree Rach NiKunni is sucking up. (paraphrasing) "No view but the developers view is valid because they own EVE -- and I like their pursuit of WoW players like myself."
I suspect this was a troll but I'll take the bait anyway.
I think if you re-read what I said, that you'll see that I actually said I "don't object" to the changes they've been making even though I thought faction warfare was a waste of time and talent.
I did not say that they shouldn't listen to people's opinions. I think they would be crazy not to.
I did say that I object to people making personal attacks on the devs for whatever reasons they're doing it.
As a matter of record, I don't acutally play WOW, or any other computer games, tbh. EVE takes up more time than I have as it is. I do, however understand CCP for business reasons wanting to attract players away from MMO's like WOW and I would encourage them to do so as long as the gank-and-be-ganked game play doesn't suffer. Why? mostly because it will make CCP a successful company and put them in a position to continue improving EVE on the long term.
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Mark Starkiller
FinFleet Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.10.17 18:12:00 -
[358]
Originally by: Ann Ripley Edited by: Ann Ripley on 16/10/2008 14:54:31 I like the lag improvements so far. They have been noticeable (when the fight was on a stearoid hamster node) and im looking forward to more improvements.
Turret stacking is a nice feature and i hope it will reduce gun lag in fights.
Id like to have a x64 client since i run on vista x64 aand make eve multithreading pls :)
Now.. what id love to see is maybe non essential and might come later but i do look forward to the day it comes.
id like to see increased challenge in NPC¦s (yes i like to carebear once in a while (they at least fight us :P )) I want to see the brick wall every player hit when BS rats where introduced the first time, harder, more challenging and moar bounty pls. This could also protect against macro ratters and isk farmers. NPCing in 0.0 is far too easy and gives little reward unless you spend many many many hours doing it and then it gets kinda monotonous.
Introduce Capital rats! for the toughest spawns you should need at least a buddy or two. upgrade the rate of faction and officers. perhaps then the inflation of these items would go down. some mods are ridiculously expensive and way out of proportion.
introduce Tech III. i think its time the tech III phase to hit eve since t2 was introduced 4 years ago.... then perhaps t2 prices would go down to a normal rate (given manufacturing cost etc.) yes they have improved and a vagabond no longer cost 300mill but still.. it should be lower.
give the environment and fx the trinity gfx. I know that will come later. just look forward to it. :) and give us AA ;)
just a few cents. but as allways you guys rock. look forward to the expansion.
/signed, my words also...
cant beleive at all people whining lol if you stop playing please contract your stuff to me. I dont have much isk and will appreciate it :) . .
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Rotary Cuff
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Posted - 2008.10.17 19:29:00 -
[359]
How long can it take to implement graphics changes to get rid of these hideous outdated planet textures? PLEASE release substantial graphics content this time, the antiquated blurry balls floating in space along with ridiculous weapons effects are borderline embarrassing in 2008.
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Dr Prometheus
Caldari Gears of Construction
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Posted - 2008.10.17 21:06:00 -
[360]
Well the Orca has been showed:
Originally by: Dr Prometheus Edited by: Dr Prometheus on 17/10/2008 20:12:38 And here is the shape thingy something:
http://dl.eve-files.com/media/0810/orca.JPG
http://dl.eve-files.com/media/0810/orca2.JPG
And with textures (Not the correct skin i think though, but it has orca as name):
http://dl.eve-files.com/media/0810/orcaskin.JPG & another: http://dl.eve-files.com/media/0810/orcableu.JPG
And a little movie: http://eve-files.com/dl/175929
p.s.: I can open the gate thingies will post them soon(tm).
Edit: here 2 border gates (Amarr) without textures: http://eve-files.com/dl/175930 - http://dl.eve-files.com/media/0810/gate2.JPG
and the smugglergate:
http://dl.eve-files.com/media/0810/smugglergate.JPG
Now give us the specs and skills :) - Dude where is my Charon? - |
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insidion
Caldari Last of the Technocracy Atrocitas
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Posted - 2008.10.17 22:49:00 -
[361]
Originally by: Brayiel Excellent :) Quantum Rise and Quantum Solace in the same year, anyone else have any more Quantums?
City of Heroes ftw.
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maniac69uk
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Posted - 2008.10.18 11:11:00 -
[362]
The only thing I am annoyed about over this announcement is the lack of information!
Such as When? On we have established it will be around first week of December (possibly - knowing software companys)
What? We have been informed of 1 real change...
I was lead to believe this was ready for download already according to the announcments!
Other than that... I love this game... But as others have said if major changes don't take place they are in danger of loosing more of thier player base. Hell, this game beats the X series only because of the online side of it...
Nuff said.
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Elizabeth Joanne
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Posted - 2008.10.18 12:12:00 -
[363]
Posting in a legendary thread.
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ultima miner
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Posted - 2008.10.18 12:31:00 -
[364]
Well I hope its not a bag of hot air but the I still hope the fix all the bugs in game before the go release more stuff..
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Gombar
Caldari No Wise Guy's
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Posted - 2008.10.18 12:32:00 -
[365]
Edited by: Gombar on 18/10/2008 12:32:49 Guess I have to switch sides. While I am basicaly very pro for a speed patch, making pvp battles a little more colorful, playing around on sissi made me anything but waiting for this patch, since it a pain for mission runners. The raven has a ~25% slower base speed, but mission gates are as far away as always and the rats are fast as ever. So the already boring flying from one gate to the next got 20% worse plus you run into problems when relying on outrunning rats long enought to shoot down enough. So this means that you need an afterburner, but that leaves you undertanked for some missions. Was there really no other option for BS than to make the already slow ships even slower? If anybody thinks this is entertaining, I would like to know his other hobbies.
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Newo lkkin
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Posted - 2008.10.18 12:33:00 -
[366]
will the second smaller class of titans also be released in this patch?
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Pur3Bl00D
Minmatar Shadow Company Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2008.10.18 13:02:00 -
[367]
Edited by: Pur3Bl00D on 18/10/2008 13:04:51
Originally by: Futuristic Eagle Edited by: Futuristic Eagle on 16/10/2008 12:12:04 Am I the only one that finds that all you people complaining are pathetic?
Sure, Its small for an expansion.. But its still free just like every other expansion CCP has made for eve.
Your getting something for free and your whinging about it? Honestly... Grow up!
And there are some big content Expansions due to be released soon, and the last two have been huge (A big graphics improvement, a new region and a whole new way to have some easy fleet PVP)
Plus ambulation is coming up soon, and thats a whole lot of work.. Even if you don't like Ambulation you have to admit that is pretty big.
Personally, I do think a few bug fixes would be nice, but any reduction to lag is my friend...
Give CCP some time, even if its a small expansion its an expansion never-the-less.
I am sick and tired of ppl even considering that an MMO expansion should be anything else but free. Clearly they don't have a clue about the MMO genre.
So just to clarify it MMO expansions ARE free 90% of the cases, and dont quote me a WOW expansion, cause there have been many free upgrades to that game in the form of patches already and its not like they charged customers an additional box after a year or so. It took them what? 3 years?
Also since just like 5 years ago it was unimaginable that ppl should have to pay more than the high street box cost (e.x. 50$) to play a game. Now in just 2 months time on an MMO you are over that and you are running deep into 3-digit overall cost to play a game. MMO expansions SHOULD and HAVE to be free. PERIOD. Good thing that the MMO industry recognizes that and adheres to that too.
Having said that CCP has a good policy on that, the fact that since launch they haven't charged customers a single expansion, even the trinity graphics upgrade is a good thing. However their gametime more expensive than some other MMO's too.
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procurement specialist
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Posted - 2008.10.18 13:26:00 -
[368]
i did a search but may have missed it.
why is the orca a cap ship still. that means there will still likely be a 500m isk book barrier to entry or 1bil barrier like the rorq. if the mini-frieghters have the same issue they will have missed the mark too.
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Wraeth Demortis
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Posted - 2008.10.18 13:53:00 -
[369]
Originally by: Xeronn it is WAAAY above my understanding why some people are sooo eager to suck up to CCP even when CCP is obviously shiting around on the playerbase any chanche they get
a lot of people ask "why so much whining, why just not leave?"
Because CCP (used to?) have a very loyal playerbase that cares about the game and isnt going to walk out on the first sign of trouble or when the first world of whatever comes along, so yea some whine and moan and ***** about what they percieve as damage to the game insteat of jumping the bandwagon . Some may EVEn call it loyalty? You know , like real loyalty to a product , not blindly sucking up to the producers
But then again I guess from a business point of view, this is not the ideal customer/playerbase , so CCP is obviously aiming at the playerbase more used to migrating from "world" to "world" as soon as something shiny comes along.
So forget "nerfs" and "additions" , how in HER holly name can you not see the total disaster that is CCP`s PR lately??
Seriously....people who sit on forums all day writing this mindless dribble must have a hole in their head or an overinflated sense of self-importance. Seriously, what in the world makes people think that they deserve so much from a company. It is strange to me how so many people jump on this "the company owes me" attitude bandwagon. To me CCP seems to be doing a good job all in all. Who gives a crap about the speed nerf? Adapt and learn to deal with the problem and use your tools the way they are intended instead of the way you think they should be used. Do you eat spaghetti with a spoon?
What about other companies that you pay for a monthly service? Take an ISP...you pay them for your connection to the internet. You may have really fast broadband, or slow...or lord forbid...dial up. Now, do you blame the lag you get in the game on your ISP? I would venture to say that most do not even consider this. Most are content to blame CCP even when it isn't warranted. Do you call them up and tell them that you think your line should be faster? Do you tell them that because yoru a paying customer they should be obligated to increase the line speed of your internet without charging you more money? Do you threaten them every time there is an outage in your area? If you do then your just downright stupid....they will tell you flat out that you will have to wait on the service to come back on and that no you will not be given a price reduction on your bill for the 24 hour wait...or that there are no known plans to increase line speed...or you will have to pay 20 more dollars a month to increase yoru line speed....etc. etc..
Why do people consider an MMO company to be our servants? Why do we think we have any right to play the game? Why is it that people think the company owes them anything? If anything you owe the company...plain and simple. You owe them a monthly fee for accessing their servers and taking up their bandwidth that they have to pay for. If you do not agree with their policies you have the option to do the exact same kind of protest you do with the ISP....find another service. Ultimately....this is ALL that you can do to stick it to the company that you feel "wronged" you by nerfing your favorite gay ass mechanic...Honestly people...shut the hell up and stop whining like little babies because you have to take more time to do something in a game that is nothing more than a time sink anyway.
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jordan freeman
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Posted - 2008.10.18 14:37:00 -
[370]
orca? capital industrial? sure, it will make hardcore afk miners mega happy that they have more time to watch tv or something before returning to eve, but for everyone else, its freighters
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ThePuce Moose
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Posted - 2008.10.18 17:46:00 -
[371]
does this contain 'walking into stations?'
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Mashie Saldana
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams
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Posted - 2008.10.18 19:46:00 -
[372]
Originally by: procurement specialist i did a search but may have missed it.
why is the orca a cap ship still. that means there will still likely be a 500m isk book barrier to entry or 1bil barrier like the rorq. if the mini-frieghters have the same issue they will have missed the mark too.
Not true, the skillbook for a Freighter is 75m and they are bigger than the Orca.
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doubles ondoubles
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Posted - 2008.10.18 22:26:00 -
[373]
ok i know about the speed nerf. I agree with it but not the way it is done.
My way would be to make it simple and give every ship a max speed. However you can go above this but then your hull and armor will slowly get damabged from your ship breaking apart. This ofcourse could open up new skills to slow this down or new fits the slow this down as well. But it should be something that can't be totaly negated.
now i have no idea bout missles. can some one explain the nerf or send me a link to the dev blog or the like?
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Una D
Ex Coelis The Bantam Menace
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Posted - 2008.10.18 23:30:00 -
[374]
Edited by: Una D on 18/10/2008 23:32:24 I guess it's one more expansion with no addition of viable rigged ship transport for high sec (or any way to transport them other than flying one at the time). This can't be that difficult to get large (make it take only assembled ships) as all assembled capitals are ZOMG huge.
There is plenty of time to December to add it CCP. That and queue would help with the mess up about ghost training (at least for those of us thinking about staying).
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James VanRijkdom
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Posted - 2008.10.19 04:53:00 -
[375]
Hey we all know Eve far outclasses any other MMO as far as the ability to actually affect the game we play, unlike the others, bc of that reason alone just take all the new crap they throw out. Different things appeal to different players. I personally am looking fwd to an industrial type change, Im not just an industrialist, but they need love too. Sure there are always things to whine/"constructively critisize" about, but no need to get all huffy some of you, if you have something useful to say, say it, but no pure Wahhh posts sheesh.
I also thin they released this exp info to divert a little, but any PR Dept worth its weight in salt will attempt, "Damage Control", gimme a break. Im sure there is more nice stuff coming, but you know they had to announce something to give people to chew on.
Also Ambulation I would like to be as worked out as much as possible, so if a mixed bag of Fixes/Industry/Marketing content is up, then great, a Speed fix was need anyway, basing combat on such a limited number of things with so much that is available and should be used is boring, w speed nerfed hopefully it will make things more interesting and make people think a little.
I love EVE and continue to play. I have benefited from ghost tr but dont have a prob w it, if it hurts CCP financially by doing it, thats their fault, just play the game, you know, by actually playing it.
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Hi Lo
Faulty Solutions
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Posted - 2008.10.19 05:46:00 -
[376]
Originally by: Aegur Edited by: Aegur on 16/10/2008 06:00:59
Quote: The reality of thousands of ships simultaneously engaged in adrenaline-charged combat is at hand and several fleet battles have already been fought using this new technology.
I LOL-ed there. Unless they mean thousands of people simulteanously fighting spread out over at least 20 systems.. I don't know what they have been smoking but I want some. This is the biggest bunch of bullshit ever in a fancy marketing release about nothing.
GG CCP.
They have. I was in a system where 1400 players crashed the node. Karl Kopalnia > omg Hi Lo is the name I use for all my gaming characters for 15 years--you're the one that took it :*( |
Drew Falcon
Snake Assault The Red Skull
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Posted - 2008.10.19 06:40:00 -
[377]
Originally by: Newo lkkin will the second smaller class of titans also be released in this patch?
Just what the hell did you just say...
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Kavin Alavandar
The Hidden Court
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Posted - 2008.10.19 07:08:00 -
[378]
Originally by: ThePuce Moose does this contain 'walking into stations?'
CCP has been totally silent on when Ambulation is coming and has neither confirmed nor denied whether it is included in Quantum Rise. One would assume that such a huge feature would be mentioned in the announcement of Quantum Rise, but on the other hand, they seem to be aiming to hype up Ambulation at the Fanfest and saving any announcement for therein.
Perhaps it is unlikely, but I am hoping for a surprise announcement at the Fanfest that Quantum Rise includes Ambulation.
Let me dream. _______________________________________________ 'The illiterate of this century are not those who cannot read and write; but those who cannot learn, unlearn, and relearn.' |
Newo lkkin
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Posted - 2008.10.19 08:00:00 -
[379]
Originally by: Drew Falcon
Originally by: Newo lkkin will the second smaller class of titans also be released in this patch?
Just what the hell did you just say...
hmm i have screenshots of them from the TriExtractor tool, also a few other unreleased ships in there too. heres pics of the mini-titans, im sure someones seen them before though:
amarr caldari gal min
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Flinchey
Amarr ANZAC ALLIANCE Southern Cross Alliance
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Posted - 2008.10.19 08:29:00 -
[380]
Originally by: Newo lkkin
Originally by: Drew Falcon
Originally by: Newo lkkin will the second smaller class of titans also be released in this patch?
Just what the hell did you just say...
hmm i have screenshots of them from the TriExtractor tool, also a few other unreleased ships in there too. heres pics of the mini-titans, im sure someones seen them before though:
amarr caldari gal min
amarr and gal links dont work.
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Stoner Chick
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Posted - 2008.10.19 08:37:00 -
[381]
Originally by: Flinchey
Originally by: Newo lkkin
Originally by: Drew Falcon
Originally by: Newo lkkin will the second smaller class of titans also be released in this patch?
Just what the hell did you just say...
hmm i have screenshots of them from the TriExtractor tool, also a few other unreleased ships in there too. heres pics of the mini-titans, im sure someones seen them before though:
amarr caldari gal min
amarr and gal links dont work.
i checked them before posting (and again just now), theyre working on my end. perhaps you have a route issue, anyone else that can't access the images?
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Flinchey
Amarr ANZAC ALLIANCE Southern Cross Alliance
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Posted - 2008.10.19 09:20:00 -
[382]
Originally by: Stoner Chick
Originally by: Flinchey
Originally by: Newo lkkin
Originally by: Drew Falcon
Originally by: Newo lkkin will the second smaller class of titans also be released in this patch?
Just what the hell did you just say...
hmm i have screenshots of them from the TriExtractor tool, also a few other unreleased ships in there too. heres pics of the mini-titans, im sure someones seen them before though:
amarr caldari gal min
amarr and gal links dont work.
i checked them before posting (and again just now), theyre working on my end. perhaps you have a route issue, anyone else that can't access the images?
could be. though some times certain imageshack links dont like to work on some peoples computers i've found lol (where they work for me). though my isp does like to be stupid. cacheing lnks incorrectly and such. stupid invisible proxies.
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CCP Explorer
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Posted - 2008.10.19 09:36:00 -
[383]
Originally by: Kavin Alavandar
Originally by: ThePuce Moose does this contain 'walking into stations?'
CCP has been totally silent on when Ambulation is coming and has neither confirmed nor denied whether it is included in Quantum Rise. One would assume that such a huge feature would be mentioned in the announcement of Quantum Rise, but on the other hand, they seem to be aiming to hype up Ambulation at the Fanfest and saving any announcement for therein.
Perhaps it is unlikely, but I am hoping for a surprise announcement at the Fanfest that Quantum Rise includes Ambulation.
Let me dream.
EVE Online: Quantum Rise does not include Walking in Stations (Ambulation).
Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson Software Director EVE Online, CCP Games |
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Ivena Amethyst
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Posted - 2008.10.19 09:51:00 -
[384]
expansion and its content in general = w00t name of expansion = no abulation in expansion =
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SpaceC0wBoy
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Posted - 2008.10.19 11:42:00 -
[385]
Edited by: SpaceC0wBoy on 19/10/2008 11:43:45 errr how about some laser sabres included on that ambulation thing, eh?!
Holy Shit! 13 pages?! TBH, glad that Im paying to play, not to read forums.
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Koyama Ise
Caldari Equestrian Knight Order of Lolicon
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Posted - 2008.10.19 13:07:00 -
[386]
Corporate Decorations
Useless feature - $17.50 a month Massive waste of isk - 25+ million isk Massive waste of time - priceless Some things money can't buy, for everything else there's master card... Dude... seriously... Can't you waste your time on other more useful things? Like uhh fixing the bloody overview already!? ------ FIX THE BLOODY OVERVIEW ALREADY! SPEED NERF! RUN FOR THE HILLS! |
Dignant
Caldari The Phalanx Expeditionary Conglomerate
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Posted - 2008.10.19 13:12:00 -
[387]
In addition to storefronts, is anything in the works to make it easier to post "buy orders" for corp members only and to transfer raw materials between divisions? The purpose being the corp wants to buy various raw materials on a fixed budget, but only from corp members to provide a constant demand (although maybe below market price) which will benefit both the members and the corp itself. For example, the corp manufacturing division posts buy orders for minerals so the miners can fill them or the invention division posts buy orders for datacores, etc. The contract system currently sucks for this purpose.
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Makko Gray
Gallente Nexus Aerospace Corporation Leather Rose Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.10.19 14:55:00 -
[388]
Edited by: Makko Gray on 19/10/2008 14:56:41
Originally by: SFX Bladerunner
Because in REAL space, it doesn't matter how big your ship is. All that matters is the thrust/mass ratio. To put it simple: a ship that is twice the size as another ship should be able to go JUST as fast if the engine is twice the size of that other smaller ship aswell.
Actually a ship twice the size would have a volume of eight times the original. If we make the assumption that volume and mass are proportional then you'd be needing and engine 8 times as powerful to maintain the same speed.
That said in REAL space there is very little resistance and the thrust to mass ratio would impact acceleration. Velocity would continue to increase until there was enough resistance to counter the effect of the acceleration.
And there in ends the physics lesson
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Vergil 577
Gallente MAIDS
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Posted - 2008.10.20 02:10:00 -
[389]
CCP as a pilot who flys Amarr I must ask about the mechanics of Faction crystals in weapon grouping modes and how the game engine handles that. As well as pleeding you to make the Abaddon not so speed nerfed... ------ Nidhoggur.Velocity > Abaddon.VelocityEVE 2009 |
KAELA MENSHA
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Posted - 2008.10.20 03:55:00 -
[390]
Question
If getting a rise out of someone, means taking the p*ss. As it does where I come from. And quantum means small!!. Does that mean this patch is a small p*ss take???
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f940rfr
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Posted - 2008.10.20 07:12:00 -
[391]
snausages
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Demeterus
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Posted - 2008.10.20 07:13:00 -
[392]
Originally by: Razin
It may be well-intentioned, but all it shows is Quicktime's and your own ignorance of the meaning and the extent of the changes that are being implemented.
Or perhaps it shows they have a perfect understanding of the nature of this game, and the law of diminishing returns that underpins it?
Regarding nano-nerfing, it is perfectly legitimate to bring people out of the delusion that high sp equals skill. It does not. Your skill is your tactical ability, your quick thinking, you reflexes, and your judgement. It does not mean having high sp that allows you to press f1-f8 and win.
That is for WoW where level 70s can kill low level characters with impunity. That has never been, and this has been stated again and again, what Eve is about. The laws of diminishing returns apply here. Skilling for 30 million sp's does not mean you will always win every time you undock for some pew, because the difference between the thirty million sp's and the five million is less than the difference between the five million and the 1 million sp:s.
The nano-nerf looks to me to enforce this, so that once again small gang warfare becomes a viable alternative for the majority of the players, rather than a pampered elite that feel threatened by the removal of the I-WIN f1-f8 buttons. Let's not even get into the festering pit of parasitism that ghost training is...
And perhaps that's what all this whining is really about. The unfair advantage is being removed, and what will be required to win after the nerf will be the skill, and not the high sp. What will be required to win is superior tactics, superior judgement, superior reflexes. Having to rely on true skill rather than perceived sp:s must be very frightening to some people.
These whines certainly proves that.
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Carovan Craver
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Posted - 2008.10.20 07:33:00 -
[393]
why is it that every time that we get something new (patch or expansion) players start complaining before we even can try the new changes and see the whole picture of it?
the expansion is indeed free, no matter how you look at it. you pay for your account, to keep the servers running and to keep CCP alive, you don't pay anything for the updates.
if all those who whine about future changes would stop playing EVE just because they fear that they would actually have to adapt their way of playing, then we who stay will have less of a lag problem in-game.
short story: don't worry about changes, it will turn out to be good in the end anyway. "life is change, change is life. the ones who can't adapt will not survive"
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Heftige Henk
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Posted - 2008.10.20 08:26:00 -
[394]
Originally by: Newo lkkin
Originally by: Drew Falcon
Originally by: Newo lkkin will the second smaller class of titans also be released in this patch?
Just what the hell did you just say...
hmm i have screenshots of them from the TriExtractor tool, also a few other unreleased ships in there too. heres pics of the mini-titans, im sure someones seen them before though:
amarr caldari gal min
I think these are pictures of the old titans. Titans have been in the game from the beginning. CCP always wanted to implement them into the game but it took them a very long time. I think these are the old desings that where implemented on the day that EVE was released. So there will be no mini titans in the game with this expension. I think that the motherships already fill the role of mini titans anyway.
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Arra Lith
HUSARIA Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2008.10.20 08:56:00 -
[395]
Seems like big nerf to missiles-based ratting ships incoming (10x lower explosion velocity = less dps than turret ships to rats). And to compensate nano ships will get nerfed. But missiles will be useless in most pvp fights anyway - cause of non instant damage (some can fly 1 minute before reaching target that just warped away...).
So that mean propably missiles wont have any use now at all.
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Midas Man
Caldari Dzark Asylum
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Posted - 2008.10.20 09:50:00 -
[396]
hehe such a massive expansion its lost its sticky already
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Lord Callous
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Posted - 2008.10.20 11:51:00 -
[397]
Edited by: Lord Callous on 20/10/2008 11:53:51 Edited by: Lord Callous on 20/10/2008 11:52:26
Originally by: Emily Tong Its a diversion tactic you see, stopping ghost training has ****ed off so many people they need to divert their anger away.
It's still a fix to something that was broken, so these angry people should deal with this reality.
Now about the expansion... Having expansions is always sweet, especially when they are for free, looking forward to see what are the changes to industrial ships.
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Jarod Hawke
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.10.20 12:01:00 -
[398]
Originally by: Carovan Craver why is it that every time that we get something new (patch or expansion) players start complaining before we even can try the new changes and see the whole picture of it?
the expansion is indeed free, no matter how you look at it. you pay for your account, to keep the servers running and to keep CCP alive, you don't pay anything for the updates.
if all those who whine about future changes would stop playing EVE just because they fear that they would actually have to adapt their way of playing, then we who stay will have less of a lag problem in-game.
short story: don't worry about changes, it will turn out to be good in the end anyway. "life is change, change is life. the ones who can't adapt will not survive"
Perhaps because with everything they add, they add more bugs and they refuse to fix most of them... There are so many older persistent bugs that CCP apparently just refuses to address..
If they want us to be happy when they add something they need to increase the QA of their new things and increase the DEV's awareness to the agony that is peresent amongst the players about the truckload of bugs in the game. |
Voltaire Leriel
Minmatar BIG Libertas Fidelitas
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Posted - 2008.10.20 12:27:00 -
[399]
This storefront thing is a waste of time. "Building trust in their goods"? If I can't make a Modulated Strip Miner II any better than anyone else, then the only thing that matters is the PRICE.
I don't know how CCP hasn't noticed that NO ONE CARES who they buy things from.
Complete waste of time, just like the recruitment system. They should spend their time overhauling the interface, not adding more useless features to bog said interface down even further.
And when I say overhaul the interface, I don't mean make it more customizable (i.e. make more windows that never seem to remember where i want them). I mean REALLY revamping it from the ground up. _________________________________________________________
BIG Corporation Website |
Avenger Garius
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Posted - 2008.10.20 12:45:00 -
[400]
For the speed nerf, are rats going to get nerfed? How about those mssions with huge as distances between the gates? Like Mordus Head Hunters lvl 4 where there's a 60km distance from the warp in point to the gate?
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thearrowofapollo
Gallente Black Reign The Five
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Posted - 2008.10.20 12:54:00 -
[401]
Originally by: Esmenet If the speed nerf comes in it, the expansion will suck nomatter what else is in it.
probably because thats the only way kill folk ;) can't wait for the new expansion woot
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Gartanus
Caldari Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2008.10.20 13:07:00 -
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Edited by: Gartanus on 20/10/2008 13:10:54
I am liking the Orca. The gates are ok, but the Orca is sexy!!
http://dl.eve-files.com/media/0810/orca2.JPG
And with textures (Not the correct skin i think though, but it has orca as name):
http://dl.eve-files.com/media/0810/orcaskin.JPG & another: http://dl.eve-files.com/media/0810/orcableu.JPG
And a little movie: http://eve-files.com/dl/175929
p.s.: I can open the gate thingies will post them soon(tm).
Edit: here 2 border gates (Amarr) without textures: http://eve-files.com/dl/175930 - http://dl.eve-files.com/media/0810/gate2.JPG
and the smugglergate:
http://dl.eve-files.com/media/0810/smugglergate.JPG
Now give us the specs and skills :)
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Msgerbs
Gallente Imperial Assualt Guild Infused Alliance
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Posted - 2008.10.20 13:43:00 -
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I don't think certificates is a good thing, unless a pilot can choose not to show them off. Otherwise you will know exactly the skill level of the person you're fighting, and it becomes more like WoW where you run around looking for someone of lower level then you.
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Xi Tzu
Amarr Relentless Storm Cartel
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Posted - 2008.10.20 16:38:00 -
[404]
Originally by: Msgerbs I don't think certificates is a good thing, unless a pilot can choose not to show them off. Otherwise you will know exactly the skill level of the person you're fighting, and it becomes more like WoW where you run around looking for someone of lower level then you.
as it stands you can set all public or just the ones you want or none at all... at least thats how it stands on sisi atm
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Ramond Kaletree
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Posted - 2008.10.20 16:50:00 -
[405]
Originally by: farfrael
Originally by: Press Release Continuations of the massive Trinity graphics update
nice, more stuff the linux/mac users won't be able to use ! thanks so much CCP for your officially supported client who's only about 12 months behind the curve ... yeah
Well if your that worried about having great graphics and only have time to complain about CCP then get off your a**, buy a pc and stop b****ing. Enjoy the game like the rest of us on here
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Tornikeh
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Posted - 2008.10.20 19:31:00 -
[406]
I think the updates and expansions are good generally, as they maintain the development process, which is needed in everything. So I have no problems with this new expansion, even if it changes the way I am playing ATM a little bit. This is what makes many players angry-they get used to the system and try to live (=play) every day the same way. Which is boring and not realistic. So I'm all for these expansion news.
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doubles ondoubles
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Posted - 2008.10.20 21:42:00 -
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i haven't ghost trained yet, although i did like the idea that if somehow you needed to step away from the game for an set amount of time you would still skill up.
I do think CCP went way overboard with this. What i think they should of done is nerf the time it takes to train the skill if your ghosting. Let say the while active you train at 1000SP an hour. If you go inactive you would train at something like 300-600 skill points an hour. In addition make an moderate rank skill to increase the amount of sp an hour you would train whil inactive. Call it something like suspened animation: each level decreases the penalty from ghost skill training by 7% or something like that. of course with out the skill you can't ghost train. That might enable CCP to get an extra month of active out of some accounts.
As a trade off give active accounts full skill queues. Even better would be to fully intergrate into eve mon, so you can make a skill plan and set to your que and forget.
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Laskin Veldstar
Gallente Eden Federal Recon
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Posted - 2008.10.20 21:46:00 -
[408]
Sheesh,
You'd think people in here would be under the belief that CCP is somehow secretly conspiring against their own customers. By the sounuds of what I'm hearing from some people, I'd gather that CCP is nerfing stuff on purpose because they like to see the people that give them money suffer.
A few questions to any of the posters that have been greifing about this latest expansion. Do you not believe that the nerfs put in place are to balance issues that arise via previous changes and in preperation for future changes to inevitably make the MMO a better place to be? With how much your trash talking their hard work to deliver us a better product, is this to state that other mainstream MMO's don't have these flaws? If CCP angers you so much why do you play? You want to make a real statement, quit. Your not under contract.
I appriciate the fact that CCP continues to release free expansions AS WELL AS simultaniously working to resolve bugs and other known issues. Sure, they haven't been able to hit every issue, but if they halted expansion of the game to fix every bug, we would never see another release.
For those of you who complain about a change made in the game, complain, you have the right. However! When you complain please refrain from "Whaaa they nerfed my missles" and make an intelligent arguement to why the change is bad for the community and what could be done to make the game a better place (in a constructive manner).
Now, on to my view of what I have seen so far being released in the expansion. Definate pro's to the certification system. Glad we have the ability to toggle it on and off. All's I need is for some Caldari swine to know what I'm capable of mounting on my ships. I wish I would of had this when I started playing EVE. I have alot of skills I do nothing with.
I haven't had a chance to read up on the product stamping/store front idea yet however. I will be looking up more on that shortly.
Anyways, I just wanted to put in my two cents on what is not suprising to see on the EVE Online forums as far as many of it's users go. Looking forward to Quantum Rise.
Thanks.
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Niblet666
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Posted - 2008.10.20 22:37:00 -
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well done ccp... i have a snake set and its useless now.. who should pay for that snakes.!!! could u give the sp wasted in navigation or isk wasted on that implants after that expention!!!.. bah!!! u killed nano ships and remove a type of tanking from game.. well nwm i shouldnt expect something diffrent except nerf from ccp.. and the other guys who r yelling like crazy.. nona nerf! nano nerf! imagine u spend ur time and ur damn isk to x or y stuff and some one takes it from u with a nerf what did u guys feel.. nwm.. hope u enjoye the game as u want like WoW or other damn nintendo style games.. sry for my poor english..
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Gartanus
Caldari Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2008.10.21 05:36:00 -
[410]
Edited by: Gartanus on 21/10/2008 05:36:34
Originally by: doubles ondoubles
As a trade off give active accounts full skill queues. Even better would be to fully intergrate into eve mon, so you can make a skill plan and set to your que and forget.
I think this is one of the best ideas I have heard here. Can I please get my face BACK!!! This space reserved for something witty..... |
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Quicktime
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Posted - 2008.10.21 11:28:00 -
[411]
Edited by: Quicktime on 21/10/2008 11:34:50
Just so people know I don't fly Nanos, but enjoy killing them they are a great joy to kill and fight, they make the game more fun. FUN is the key word, go play SISI and speak up if you think the game is more fun with those changes or less? Learning new things is fun, that reason alone could be enough for you. Flying a multibillion isk ceptor is huge rush and a lot of fun for me it's gone on SISI or Quantum of Solace.
Honestly I would rather pay for a good expansion with proper testing, content, features, then a low budget add on that makes me want to quit playing, they don't give the Expansion's away, you pay every month for development, the mask of "free" is great marketing, some of you foolish people think they you are getting something for nothing, oh the joy of being young and dumb.
Time will tell on the subjective nature of game design, I made my vote and encourage others to do the same, enjoy your time in Eve I did this past two+ years, few more days and it will be over for me.
It even inspired me to fire up my old friend the Crytek2 engine and start to mock up a new space game, easier more like a WOW in space, limit the server so you can have great 200 man fights, land on the planets to run space dungeons, play poker in the space casinos for Eurisk "cross between a Euro and Isk" two races to make things easier on the art team, battle arena's where you can join "real-time" combat or arcade control of your ship for low ping player on player fun, gambling on the fight, built in racing, transfer of power TM "your WOW or Eve character will be converted to our system for signing up for a 6 month subscription with no additional cost to you!", Player own station combat will be like being in a B-17 bomber, takes a few days of training actually using a POS for gaining the skills, then you can operate a death star, carriers actually carry ships containing player...
I could go on but why ruin the surprises! Your days are numbered CCP, one ****ed off engineer working his ass off to crush you like empty beer can against my melon! Since I do not enjoy your game any more I will make something better! Hey where are the VC's funding crazy people these days, oh jebus they are here and I am naked again... damit oh the humanity, ok zipped up and ready to present New Eve we built it in the good ole USA so we can help the US based players with good spawns after our down time instead of the euro that get support from CCP.
Enjoy your last Fan Fest! Iceland is melting Sarah Palin told me so, and I believe her she was a beauty queen, get a nice raft, and Leo DiCaprio will save you again...
This was dam fun to write...and yes I named my character after a program on my desktop, we engineers have no imagination...
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Britainius
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Posted - 2008.10.21 11:35:00 -
[412]
I look forward to seeing the changes but like people have said, I can't help but see that ccp do these patches not just to make the game more interesting, but to mould the game into the direction THEY want to see it materialise into...and not what the players want. Nerffed complex's are a typical example for starters like the one in Traun. They should introduce new things and let the Eve community deal with it.
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Triffon
Caldari Intervene Industries
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Posted - 2008.10.21 13:32:00 -
[413]
i think this could be good
is there a release date for this ?? this was said and i dont think its out yet
CCP, one of the world's leading independent game developers, today announced the launch of the ninth free expansion for EVE Online
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charismatic
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Posted - 2008.10.21 16:00:00 -
[414]
whats up with the cruise missile explosion velocity of 55 ms, with 60% of player using ravens for mission runing / ratting for isk this could pose an economic problem over time
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Atherin Gaius
Caldari Domini Umbrus Free Trade Zone.
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Posted - 2008.10.21 16:39:00 -
[415]
Originally by: Niblet666 well done ccp... i have a snake set and its useless now.. who should pay for that snakes.!!! could u give the sp wasted in navigation or isk wasted on that implants after that expention!!!.. bah!!! u killed nano ships and remove a type of tanking from game.. well nwm i shouldnt expect something diffrent except nerf from ccp.. and the other guys who r yelling like crazy.. nona nerf! nano nerf! imagine u spend ur time and ur damn isk to x or y stuff and some one takes it from u with a nerf what did u guys feel.. nwm.. hope u enjoye the game as u want like WoW or other damn nintendo style games.. sry for my poor english..
It happens to all parts of the game. I lost my long range torps...but I adapted and I still get to use them. And then there was the carrier nerf, and then the shield got adjusted on the drake, and then we lost some resists accross the board for explosive damage, and then..... And look, I'm still here blowing ships up.
Figure out a new way to pvp. That is what the rest of us are doing, so while you are whining about how you can't fly fast we will be blowing you up using new tactics.
If you can't handle a change in a virtual world, how do you survive change in the real world?
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Karl Mort
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Posted - 2008.10.21 16:41:00 -
[416]
It amazes me how people do not appreciate the hard work done to provide a fun game. It is true that not everyone can be pleased.
CCP has provided a game that in their best interest is the best mmo. Some think Star Trek Online will be better, some say WOW has better features, yet others say they can make a better game.
"The grass is always greener on the other side of the fence"
CCP, I sincerely thank you for making this game. It is fun and hope that the new enhancemetns will make it better. Keep up the good work.
A brief message to those who think EVE is not what you want, apply to ccp as a developer, see if you get the job, realize working to develop a game is different than complaining about it, realize that a feature you thought to be cool others call it the worse thing ever, and then come back and read your posts.
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JAME5 KIRK
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Posted - 2008.10.21 19:34:00 -
[417]
agreed karl , "you cant please all of the people all of the time but you can please some of the people some of the time"
out of the several hundred thousand subscribers, the few neysayers that can be bothered to post are a tiny fraction of the ingame populace.
so, ccp may do something you may not like,. make a constructive post, come up with a better idea, post it through the proper channels,. you never know something might happen. or....just winge and whine here.
ive been playing since beta and there have been many many changes in eve since then, some i agree with , some i do not, but on the whole they game has improved massively from what it started out as.
And yet again this is a FREE upgrade to the game, as has always been the way of eve.
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Opertone
Caldari SIEGE. United Legion
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Posted - 2008.10.21 19:53:00 -
[418]
i don't appreciate the missiles changes, missiles are the least successful now... making them unsuccessful against NPC will not make game better |
Quicktime
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Posted - 2008.10.21 21:10:00 -
[419]
Originally by: Karl Mort It amazes me how people do not appreciate the hard work done to provide a fun game. It is true that not everyone can be pleased.
A brief message to those who think EVE is not what you want, apply to ccp as a developer, see if you get the job, realize working to develop a game is different than complaining about it, realize that a feature you thought to be cool others call it the worse thing ever, and then come back and read your posts.
I do Karl been making games a lot longer then CCP. I talked to CCP about a job, the pay isn't good and to work on Eve you have to live in Iceland, moving from California to go there doesn't make any sort of sense. I will keep working on games here, and or digital animated films for Dreamworks. I respect the game and work or I wouldn't waste my time on Eve, right now I assume while the engineers are working on all the changes the lead designer has been playing Warhammer Online, and working on the Vampire design, Warhammer has caught up and passed Eve in a very short time, all these things are considered when making design decisions for the future of Eve, and rightly so, it's the reality of making games you make them for money as well as the joy of making them, but by trying to change this game to another one is a decision that tosses the hardcore player base out the window, in hope of replacing us with new people. New people are great, they haven't seen every mission over and over again, and they can reuse what currently is in the game and not worry about making new content to give the old time player more to keep us interested best thing about new players is they don't know what they have lost as they have no reference point to the past.
Changing many of the mechanics for combat in the 5th year of release is suicide, Warhammer 40k will be great, predicted to take 40%+ of the Eve customer base.
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Detritus Thermopyle
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.10.22 01:10:00 -
[420]
New expansion features look great. I have decided to start developing plans for my in-game Cheese Storefront, as there appears to be an inexhaustable supply of pent up demand throughout the known universe.
A lie can travel halfway around the universe while the truth is un-docking. ~ Mark Twain (paraphrased) |
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Todoshi
Caldari Caldari Logistics and Supplies
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Posted - 2008.10.22 02:04:00 -
[421]
Originally by: CCP Explorer
Originally by: Kavin Alavandar
Originally by: ThePuce Moose does this contain 'walking into stations?'
CCP has been totally silent on when Ambulation is coming and has neither confirmed nor denied whether it is included in Quantum Rise. One would assume that such a huge feature would be mentioned in the announcement of Quantum Rise, but on the other hand, they seem to be aiming to hype up Ambulation at the Fanfest and saving any announcement for therein.
Perhaps it is unlikely, but I am hoping for a surprise announcement at the Fanfest that Quantum Rise includes Ambulation.
Let me dream.
EVE Online: Quantum Rise does not include new content.
Fixed for you
Ghost Training Removed Thread |
Todoshi
Caldari Caldari Logistics and Supplies
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Posted - 2008.10.22 02:10:00 -
[422]
Edited by: Todoshi on 22/10/2008 02:11:45
Originally by: CCP Explorer
Originally by: Howatch Johalla It is always nice to be able to count on good fun and lots of smiles when reading the forums when new expansion is advertised.
We're having fun over in Chribba's thread.
Originally by: Howatch Johalla For me this expansion looks like a good one even if it is a bit thin.
EVE Online: Quantum Rise is a staged delivery and began with the deployment of technology features, StacklessIO, EVE64 and hardware upgrades, as well as features such as the autopilot avoidance. The main reasons we're deploying the expansion in stages is that we wanted to be able to measure a before-and-after of the technology improvements and also to minimise deployment risk.
Later deployments (coming soon to a computer near you) will include even more DB optimisations and Need for Speed improvements, and more features, such as Storefronts, Certificates, Medals, Weapon Grouping, a new industrial ship, and more stuff yet to be announced.
I wasn't aware that standard procedure in MMO's was to add content in a patch and then two weeks later annonce it as being part of a new expansion, really you seem to have a lack of anything to annonce.
So what do we get with this Update(i say update because theres not enough there at present to be called an expansion)
1. Weapon Stacking Nice an addition that will be very useful
2. Store Fronts Maybe cool for the first few weeks, will have to wait and see how indies use it.
3. Certs Muh, more clutter
4. Orca Well i'm not an industrial player but any new ship is a welcome addition, thats if its a new ship and not another reskin...seriosly did you guys go to the diablo school of design where you take 1 mesh and just skin it slightly differently to make it appear that there are alot more ship types than there actully are?
umm and bug fixes, i have to say of every mmo i've played this has to be the single most pathetic excuse for an expansion i've ever heard of, thats not to say though that the "and lots more" could really make it a worthwhile one
currently all i see if a patch with a new splash screen
Ghost Training Removed Thread |
ViolenTUK
Gallente Vindicated Exiles
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Posted - 2008.10.22 06:13:00 -
[423]
After 7 days this thread for the quantum rise (or rising ) has only reached 14 pages. Doesn't bode well. Perhaps pilots are preoccupied with other more important issues. Ahem. Cough.
The removal of "Ghost Training" |
Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
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Posted - 2008.10.22 10:18:00 -
[424]
Originally by: ViolenTUK After 7 days this thread for the quantum rise (or rising ) has only reached 14 pages. Doesn't bode well. Perhaps pilots are preoccupied with other more important issues. Ahem. Cough.
Well, it is a press release that seems to target people who don't know much about EVE. For us forum inhabitants the press release offers very little. When CCP decides to give details about the actual content instead of empty PR babble, people would actually have something to comment about.
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knightrix
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.10.22 10:35:00 -
[425]
Feed us more info on the Orca already ;)
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muffminer
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Posted - 2008.10.22 10:50:00 -
[426]
Originally by: Persephone001 Top marks, CCP. Thanks.
Keep in mind that the speed balancing affects more than just ridiculously fast Minmatar ships (seriously, there's no reason that a HAC should be able to out run an interceptor). It also breaks Gallente blaster boats who are now put at a bigger disadvantage by not being able to close distance. But I'm sure this will be addressed. :)
sum1 shoot this guy. in the games current phase. interceptors go faster than all cruiser sized vessels and even the sabre did until they nerfed it. THe only reason you see cruisers going faster than ceptors = ceptor pilots generally can't afford even low-grade snakes much less polycarbons without having either trained skills to make money or have a main that can..and people tend to put in more time, effort, and isk into that ship than most frigate pilots dare venture too.
Vagabond - lg snakes polycarbons and 3x OD setup w/ t2 mwd - 9km/s Any ceptor w/ the same rigs and implants and t2 variant = roughly 11-16km/s (more or less as i've not played w/ them all). I've had an unrigged claw w/o bonuses doing 11.3 w/ the same clone. This aspect definately brought power to teamwork and bringing an assorted gang filling different roles, such as bubbles, dual webs or a trio of ceptors and the dps to finish the job.
Im still curious if interceptors are going to be worth flying now. Gallente EAF's will probably see a rise in use from their scram range bonuses. but with the lack of information to be provided on what exactly they're changing in this patch leaves alot to be seen.
One post had a screen shot showing a t1 mwd and a gisti b-type 1mn mwd showing the same speed bonus but the faction using a ton less cap and giving a smaller sig radius than its unnamed variant. Have to say im kinda 0.o at that and am unsure whether i like or dislike that change. would like to see the t2 version tbh.
I know there are more changes than this speed balance thing, however I play the game to pvp and pvp alone at it is the only unpredictable non repetative feature this game has to offer its playerbase. Shiney new models that risk increasing server instability don't much impress me when it comes to throwing 1.3b isk cruisers at the hands of 0.0. Glad to hear about the recent server upgrades and I hope that if they don't now these changes are applied to every node on the server, as losing a ship to a server lock up or a node not being able to handle the incoming fleet (wow my shields are going down but i can't even see my ship and i clicked warp to 5 minutes ago when they said the bubble was shot down factor) is in no way fun.
I will openly admit i don't have much hope for this expansion, sounds like battlecruisers will become the norm instead of specialized t2 pilots for roaming (other than dictors, eafs and possibly even recons, while it seems to me a maneuverable expensive ship like a curse can easily now be replaced by a typhoon or some other BS w/ scan resolution scripted sensor boosters and large neuts as with mwd's being shutoff by scrams and afterburners becoming the new and regressed speed mod, it shouldnt be a challenge at all to catch someone in even a dictor bubble, where we already have large bubbles that can exceed 50+ km from a gate.
and so help me ccp...this time..REMEMBER TO CHECK WHETHER OUR OVERVIEW AND OTHER WINDOWS ARE GOING TO MOVE AROUND EVERY TIME WE DOCK.
You guys have a tendency to repeat the same mistakes with your patches...and please don't repeat the boot.ini file incident. k thx
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Mr Daytrading
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Posted - 2008.10.22 12:13:00 -
[427]
I hope they will finaly fix the stealth bomber glitch: They cant use cov op cloak!!!
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Legget Norc
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Posted - 2008.10.22 18:23:00 -
[428]
all you babys should shut you ungrateful holes...every expansion they bring out is free...there is STILL nothing like eve out there, and as far as ghost training goes, good riddance..why should someone be able to pay on and off to get a strong character while others pay constantly for the same thing? whoever complains about this are obviously freeloaders. CCP...you guys rock...keep it up
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Anig Browl
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.10.22 19:00:00 -
[429]
Originally by: knightrix Feed us more info on the Orca already ;)
That and industrial rebalancing. C'mon, help us plan please CCP.
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Procurator Ultio
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Posted - 2008.10.23 02:12:00 -
[430]
Originally by: Brayiel Excellent :) Quantum Rise and Quantum Solace in the same year, anyone else have any more Quantums?
Quantum Ivory Tower Quantum Fail Quantum Unintended Consequences Quantum IQ Deficit Quantum Arrogance Quantum Spin
and finally...
Quantum Bankruptcy
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Procurator Ultio
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Posted - 2008.10.23 02:23:00 -
[431]
Originally by: Syath I may sound spoiled... but seriously you cant introduce an expansion without a trailer!!! where is my trailer!!!
I don't think they will ever outdo the Trinity trailer. That trailer rocked and was the most inspirational I've ever seen or heard.
Too bad the game after Trinity wasn't as good as the trailer.
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Procurator Ultio
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Posted - 2008.10.23 03:15:00 -
[432]
Originally by: Gombar So CCP decided to maximize income by increasing the price: - Make GTC more expensive (30%?) - Shrink the unpaying userbase (ghosttraining)
Uh, inactive accounts, whether "training" or not, represent ZERO load on the servers. CCP's resources do not get any help from nerfing unsubbed training. On the contrary, reactivations of lapsed accounts are dropping, accounts are being consolidated and the additional accounts abandoned, and revenue is taking a hit.
Originally by: Gombar Does this make the game less appealing? I don't think so.
Of course it does! What are you smoking?
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Procurator Ultio
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Posted - 2008.10.23 04:20:00 -
[433]
Originally by: HarshMistress
Originally by: Tykkis Tells to me CCP plan to support this game for long time.
or at least until some decent competition turns up and we can get off this sinking ship.
Agreed, but some of us don't need to wait for competition to appear on the scene. Some of us don't have to always have a game to play. I've been reducing my accounts since the unsubbed training nerf. I no longer manufacture anything. I no longer buy GTCs to sell in the secure GTC market to have ISK to buy goodies. I rarely even log in anymore. And no, I won't sell any of my chars.
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Procurator Ultio
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Posted - 2008.10.23 04:37:00 -
[434]
Originally by: E Drohner To those that complain - Theres a really simple way to fix all your problems. STOP PLAYING!
I have stopped. I no longer mine, refine, manufacture, research or visit 0.0.
Originally by: E Drohner seriously. Turn off the game and click that cancel subscription button.
I did. I canceled nine subs. Four have since expired and the other five expire through Nov 21. I plan to occasionally reactivate one or two to keep some corp and alliance stuff alive until I decide to whom to hand them off.
Originally by: E Drohner Call me stupid but i'm fairly certain that your playing the game because you find it fun or at least the concept of it fun.
OK, you're stupid. No, it's not fun anymore. The concept is still there but the company behind it has revealed itself to be constructed of arrogance and piles of doo-doo.
Originally by: E Drohner If its not fun, then why are you wasting $15 a month on eve to begin with?
I'm not. I'm dropping my contribution to CCP's revenues from over $1600 per year to some very low number.
Originally by: E Drohner I'm willing to bet that your not sitting there being FORCED to play.
Nope. Not forced. That's what CCP overlooked.
Originally by: E Drohner Be happy that CCP takes the time to support their product and continues to create new content. I'd understand the complaints if we were paying a monthly fee and absolutely nothing was being done (no patches, no new content) to the game, but CCP has and continues to do a damn fine job of supporting their product.
Rubbish. The game still suffers from bugs that were eviident when I began in Eve 2-1/2 years ago. Many new bugs have been introduced while a few have been fixed. The whole POS thing is so badly done that we can't even name a corporate hangar and alliance members can't access corporate hangars. The UI has been hacked and slashed until windows have taken on lives of their own and can't be made to stay where we want them to be. And on and on and on and on...
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Procurator Ultio
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Posted - 2008.10.23 05:04:00 -
[435]
Originally by: Anig Browl Ghost training: I have no sympathy whatsoever.
That means you fail to understand the game, its history and how it is played by real people. There's plenty of info on it in several places; I have no inclination to help educate you.
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Leica Stroganow
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Posted - 2008.10.23 06:29:00 -
[436]
As result off the ghost nerv
PLAYER BASE ON STRIKE
As form of protest I call to you all to not login next Friday
Send CCP a message not to fool around with us
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Makko Gray
Gallente Nexus Aerospace Corporation Leather Rose Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.10.23 12:38:00 -
[437]
Originally by: Procurator Ultio
Originally by: HarshMistress
Originally by: Tykkis Tells to me CCP plan to support this game for long time.
or at least until some decent competition turns up and we can get off this sinking ship.
Agreed, but some of us don't need to wait for competition to appear on the scene. Some of us don't have to always have a game to play. I've been reducing my accounts since the unsubbed training nerf. I no longer manufacture anything. I no longer buy GTCs to sell in the secure GTC market to have ISK to buy goodies. I rarely even log in anymore. And no, I won't sell any of my chars.
Now if you could just stop posting on the forums everything would be sweet! For someone who rarely logs on anymore you sure do whine a lot. |
Elienee
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Posted - 2008.10.23 22:34:00 -
[438]
crap... medals and stuff..
They are doing what all the other FPS games have done.. giving 14 year old kid medals, so they can focus more on getting that, than teamwork. Why not let good PVP players or PVP players that have spent 500 hours PVP ,getting a new ship unlocked aswell, while you are at it.
Medals ingame are just lame.... Like wathing "wannabe" military ppl, who could not cut it for the real stuff in rl. Plz make an option, so I can disable the medal viewing thingy.... |
Xenomorphea
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.10.24 00:22:00 -
[439]
Originally by: Esmenet If the speed nerf comes in it, the expansion will suck nomatter what else is in it.
This.
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Hypan
Amarr Zebra Corp Chain of Chaos
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Posted - 2008.10.24 16:05:00 -
[440]
Originally by: Legget Norc every expansion they bring out is free...
well i sure as hell wouldnt pay for whats on sisi atm... is there an opt out of patch option, id pay for that
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Quicktime
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Posted - 2008.10.25 05:09:00 -
[441]
Originally by: Procurator Ultio
Originally by: E Drohner To those that complain - Theres a really simple way to fix all your problems. STOP PLAYING!
I have stopped. I no longer mine, refine, manufacture, research or visit 0.0.
Originally by: E Drohner seriously. Turn off the game and click that cancel subscription button.
I did. I canceled nine subs. Four have since expired and the other five expire through Nov 21. I plan to occasionally reactivate one or two to keep some corp and alliance stuff alive until I decide to whom to hand them off.
Originally by: E Drohner Call me stupid but i'm fairly certain that your playing the game because you find it fun or at least the concept of it fun.
OK, you're stupid. No, it's not fun anymore. The concept is still there but the company behind it has revealed itself to be constructed of arrogance and piles of doo-doo.
Originally by: E Drohner If its not fun, then why are you wasting $15 a month on eve to begin with?
I'm not. I'm dropping my contribution to CCP's revenues from over $1600 per year to some very low number.
Originally by: E Drohner I'm willing to bet that your not sitting there being FORCED to play.
Nope. Not forced. That's what CCP overlooked.
Originally by: E Drohner Be happy that CCP takes the time to support their product and continues to create new content. I'd understand the complaints if we were paying a monthly fee and absolutely nothing was being done (no patches, no new content) to the game, but CCP has and continues to do a damn fine job of supporting their product.
Rubbish. The game still suffers from bugs that were eviident when I began in Eve 2-1/2 years ago. Many new bugs have been introduced while a few have been fixed. The whole POS thing is so badly done that we can't even name a corporate hangar and alliance members can't access corporate hangars. The UI has been hacked and slashed until windows have taken on lives of their own and can't be made to stay where we want them to be. And on and on and on and on...
Procurator I agree with everything you are saying, great post! I am sad to leave Eve as well, was good while it lasted 2+ years for me as well, the devs were on the test server asking people how they liked the new waste of resources Orca class donkey.
I have heard it asked of the dev's many times but not one has answered anything about Interceptors and the speed nerf effectively removing its role in combat. My favorite part of the Live Dev Blog is when Zulu stated that choices have to be made in game design and we can't always listen to the customers opinion. I swear this is right out of the EA handbook.
If you are in the middle of mining or searching for a new game to play, go to the CCP website and read the Financial Reports & Filings .pdf's. I made more money then all of CCP with 2 people at EA in just handheld games, more profit, more revenue generated, after reading your public documents where you clearly know what your risks are, why would you risk all your hard work in building CCP on changing the combat system? I am sorry I cannot support this short sighted approach to managing your own company. I came to Eve because you guys were rebels that bought your own IP back and made it the game you wanted with out "the mans" approval you have lost the plot gentlemen.
Btw I made two medals on SISI tonight, "Most Subscriptions Canceled", and "Putting up with a year of terrible design decisions" I awarded them to myself, making medals, LOLs. Yeah that's what we all wanted.
EaBoD's!
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Quicktime
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Posted - 2008.10.25 06:16:00 -
[442]
The high res version...
Quantum "We laid you off in Atlanta first, then Iceland, this will help us focus on fixing Eve as it is now broken." Quantum "Please come back to Eve we have a new version after firing the current decision makers." Quantum "PLEASE PLEASE WE ARE SORRY" Quantum "We are sadden to announce that we had to shut the Eve Online server down today." Quantum "The Icelandic banks have sized all assets of CCP!" Quantum "Banks are now going after the principals personal assets to recover the unpaid loans" Quantum "We stepped on our own ****s, and now are looking for work" |
Voxis
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Posted - 2008.10.25 17:48:00 -
[443]
Not much stuff being added, I am sorry to say, just more of the same. Hey, I am not moaning, I like it, just was hoping for more "fixes"
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Branden Dannagh
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Posted - 2008.10.28 02:49:00 -
[444]
Quote: Please, enough bug fixing and tweaks and changes, and more of the genuinely new, exciting stuff.
and
Quote: How about no new expansion till you guy fix all bugs in game ...
I'm sure that CCP has already figured out that you can't please all of the people all of the time. Keep up the whine, folks, at least it's entertaining reading! lol |
Mara Rinn
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.10.28 03:32:00 -
[445]
From my short experience in the game, I was always under the impression that the way you use a blaster boat is to have a scout go and tackle the target, then Blaster Boat warps to the tackler from a safe spot. Relying on nano fits to get a battleship to blaster range seems a little backwards to me.
The Orca will certainly make life easier for folks who need to haul stuff long distances without being able to reliably fill up a freighter.
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Chindi Yazzie
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Posted - 2008.10.28 07:43:00 -
[446]
Edited by: Chindi Yazzie on 28/10/2008 07:43:20 Take your Qunatum Rise (little pee pee?) and stuff it. |
Cigic
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Posted - 2008.10.28 15:27:00 -
[447]
Someone ones said: "Democracy is worst type of totalitarianism if demos is stupid."
Regarding marketing, profit and sustainable development.
You have to distinct two basic type of your customers. A) majority - new players (mainly high sec)- industrial type - without deeper understanding of this game or any other game - moving from game to game - MOST WHINING and posting in general B) minority - long term players with deep game understanding, rarely posting or whining - they live EVE!! They don't dig graphics and medals that much. Real value for them is playabilty, functionability and openess of the game.
If you rely on conclusions made from your customer care service you'll end up in deep **** cos you are led more or less by customer A. They will continue to come and leave anyway. They are mass led by trend, without knowing who they are and what they want. They love to chat and post comments.
You should rely on customer B. You should make plans (cost of development, focus of development, cost of maintenence etc.) based on that pipe. That policy would guarantee your survival and overall success. And our happiness. It seems that you are a bit of that stream now. Unless this its already exit strategy. Lets take what we can.
Regards
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Branden Dannagh
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Posted - 2008.10.28 16:52:00 -
[448]
Originally by: Legget Norc all you babys should shut you ungrateful holes...every expansion they bring out is free...there is STILL nothing like eve out there, and as far as ghost training goes, good riddance..why should someone be able to pay on and off to get a strong character while others pay constantly for the same thing? whoever complains about this are obviously freeloaders. CCP...you guys rock...keep it up
Amen to that. After 12 years of MMORPG, Eve dwarfs anything out there for me. And anyone who complains because they can't play an online game without paying for it needs a serious adjustment in the ways of the world. Go to ANY other gaming organization (including the evil EA) and ask to train a character without paying for a subscription. See if they work that into the next patch for you. :-)
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Branden Dannagh
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Posted - 2008.10.28 16:57:00 -
[449]
Originally by: Cigic Regarding marketing, profit and sustainable development.
You have to distinct two basic type of your customers. A) majority - new players (mainly high sec)- industrial type - without deeper understanding of this game or any other game - moving from game to game - MOST WHINING and posting in general B) minority - long term players with deep game understanding, rarely posting or whining - they live EVE!! They don't dig graphics and medals that much. Real value for them is playabilty, functionability and openess of the game.
If you rely on conclusions made from your customer care service you'll end up in deep **** cos you are led more or less by customer A. They will continue to come and leave anyway. They are mass led by trend, without knowing who they are and what they want. They love to chat and post comments.
You should rely on customer B. You should make plans (cost of development, focus of development, cost of maintenence etc.) based on that pipe. That policy would guarantee your survival and overall success. And our happiness. It seems that you are a bit of that stream now. Unless this its already exit strategy. Lets take what we can.
Regards
A company should develop based on the needs of a minority of its customers in order to guarantee success? Since when is that good business? Company A has five long-term, permanent customers. They build their business around the needs and wants of those five customers. Customer B has a business that attracts 10 customers each day, and by the end of the day those 10 customers are bored, and move on. The next day another 10 new customers appear, and they become bored at the end of the day. The bottom line is that Company A has 5 customers a day, and Company B has 10 customers a day. Which is the better business? |
Sudden Outcry
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Posted - 2008.10.28 19:41:00 -
[450]
Originally by: Branden Dannagh A company should develop based on the needs of a minority of its customers in order to guarantee success? Since when is that good business? Company A has five long-term, permanent customers. They build their business around the needs and wants of those five customers. Customer B has a business that attracts 10 customers each day, and by the end of the day those 10 customers are bored, and move on. The next day another 10 new customers appear, and they become bored at the end of the day. The bottom line is that Company A has 5 customers a day, and Company B has 10 customers a day. Which is the better business?
Company A is. Given time, word will spread that Company B doesn't care about keeping its customers happy, only attracting new ones - don't believe me, go ask Sony Online Entertainment how its subscriptions are doing these days. Meanwhile, Company A's reputation will begin to attract more than just those 5 customers a day. People don't like the idea of being considered disposable. |
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Quicktime
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.10.30 06:21:00 -
[451]
A lot of the hard core customers love or like the game the way it is now TQ, I do or did until what I saw they started doing on SISI. It is very hard to find the magic when creating any game, and Eve after 5 years has that magic, I am not saying its perfect, but with minor tweaks it would continue to improve.
Why CCP has decided to throw this away with these changes at this time?
I am as hardcore as the come playing the whole game, bear to make isk to fund PVP as much as I can. I love the current role of interceptors on TQ, the speed, the complete adrenalin rush, I have been in big fleet fights with fast moving crows, mostly go through them like tissue paper, I either choose a different boat that is less sensitive to lag or just fly the cheap version of my crow setup with 5 on stand bye to use the ole "defender" model to make sure I am in the fight to the end. For roams I use the expensive setup...
To make a long story short they have lost me as a customer... Even if these changes are to squeeze in T3 spec'd items and ships it is a terrible excuse for throwing away the current magic. Game magic is too hard to find to toss it... anyone that does is an idiot!
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Braldye Sinma
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Posted - 2008.10.30 07:44:00 -
[452]
It seems with every patch they take away as much as they give. I got to admit I know CCP is working hard on upgrading the game to its best and to bring you more unique and fun game play to compete but the way they go around doing it really don't seem to please the customers that come and play and the older customers are becoming more disgusted by the previous and upcoming events. Its really sad to see friends in the game that has spent there hard training around such things as speed and missiles as well as other aspects in the game and then become one of the victims of the nerf bat causing them to end up playing the game with real use of specialization. As for CCP's reaction is usually a post sounding like "sorry to do this guys" or "many gamers have brought to our attention". Well if somebody is unhappy about a nano ship I would put an anti nano ship in the game and if ppl are unhappy due to a ship is too powerful for them to go up agenst then they can just train in to it if they feel its so high and mighty. As for this up coming patch seems like how America passes a bill. Bring us something good with the bad attached in the back ground. But in all I am pleased with what they have done with this new upcoming patch and I know they are trying there hardest to keep the players pleased. As for the new Orca great job guys, Us gamers have been waiting for something like that to hit they drawing board for quite a while now and cant wait to see it in TQ. I know a lot of you may have disagreements with what I have to say and I may be wrong but this is my perspective from what I have seen. I just hope EVE keeps going hard and strong.
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Ezoran DuBlaidd
Freedom From Fear Industries
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Posted - 2008.10.30 09:20:00 -
[453]
Edited by: Ezoran DuBlaidd on 30/10/2008 09:22:53
Originally by: Legget Norc all you babys should shut you ungrateful holes...every expansion they bring out is free...there is STILL nothing like eve out there, and as far as ghost training goes, good riddance..why should someone be able to pay on and off to get a strong character while others pay constantly for the same thing? whoever complains about this are obviously freeloaders. CCP...you guys rock...keep it up
or, maybe you're the free loader? you pay for one single account? do you pay for it monthly? 3, 6, or 12 month?
compare that to someone paying for a main account, then a second account (30 days on, 30 days off), then a third account (30 on, 30 off), a fourth account (30 on, 30 off)...
which then gets changed to either paying cash, or using 60d gtcs... but 60d gtc on, 30d off, would be 2 months more money per year.
compare that to your measly single account and indeed, it would seem you're the freeloader.
i'm curious, can you name a modern mmo that does not give free content? city of heroes/villains, wow, etc. or perhaps guild wars, where you don't pay a monthly sub, only for the expansions (same difference).
seriously, if you're going to whine and complain, at least do a LITTLE homework and make sense.
of course, i'm assuming you're not a ****** or a child. no one says i'm perfect in making assumptions.
edit: still waiting to see what all will be in quantum rise and how long exactly ambulation is being postponed this time. not exactly overwhelmed with the (lack of) information thus far. |
Leica Stroganow
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Posted - 2008.10.30 09:22:00 -
[454]
Originally by: Legget Norc all you babys should shut you ungrateful holes...every expansion they bring out is free...there is STILL nothing like eve out there, and as far as ghost training goes, good riddance..why should someone be able to pay on and off to get a strong character while others pay constantly for the same thing? whoever complains about this are obviously freeloaders. CCP...you guys rock...keep it up
Bend over pls
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Dirkmorfeld
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Posted - 2008.10.30 12:20:00 -
[455]
I have a questions. Since this patch has to do a lot with mining.
Will CCP bring ICE compression in line with ore compression?
I think it is a bit strange, that the rorqual can easaly compress 15 or mor ore miners wihle there mining but only 4-5 Ice miners. I hope that will be changed so i dont have to stay for hours after Ice mining just to compress the minerd Ice
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Quicktime
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.10.30 21:10:00 -
[456]
The flow of information will be rolling like a turd in a toilet bowl at fanfest. I disagree with everyone saying that CCP has done a good job this last year. Like all upset customers I just have to vote with my feet, and find something new to play.
Honestly I used to read posts like mine have been, and used to wonder what did CCP do to that guy to **** him off that badly that he is just filled with hate for this once great game and CCP, hey now I know...
One great thing on SISI is the loading screen, much better then Emp Age dirty "golden brown" everything after that sucks related to speed, missiles, blasters, combat..
EABOD's
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hernessahoo
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Posted - 2008.10.31 01:32:00 -
[457]
when are we going to be able to land on planets and walk in stations? thats the big expansion that i dream about every night.....
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Corbin Swift
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Posted - 2008.10.31 02:54:00 -
[458]
Originally by: hernessahoo when are we going to be able to land on planets and walk in stations? thats the big expansion that i dream about every night.....
In about 2 years, it's always been 2 years away, and I think it will always be 2 years away. That's assuming CCP doesn't go bust along with the rest of Iceland, which I think will happen sometime next year.
Sorry, I know that doesn't clear things up very well...
Corbin
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Saebeth Khan
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Posted - 2008.11.03 21:36:00 -
[459]
CCP, thank you, thank you, thank you for Eve and everything you've made it to date.
Thank you for staying afloat while your country's economy goes noisily down the U bend.
Thank you for creating something that's been brilliantly conceived from the beginning and beautifully added to ever since.
Thank you for all the countless hours I blissfully spend inhabiting this amazing virtual universe and the good fortune I've had to meet some terrific people through it.
If this new expansion is short on detail / content by comparison to previous ones, so be it. We've gotten used to being spoiled so hence some of the whining on this thread. (And to you maggots, I echo the sentiments of others who've said stfu, off you go and play WOW).
All I ask is that you keep up the great work you've done so far. The whiners may take their leave....good riddance, those of us who truly appreciate what you're doing will be with you all the way.
S.
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Nexxus 9
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Posted - 2008.11.04 01:57:00 -
[460]
Call me silly but a "winter patch would be like um, winter. Maybe Dec., Jan. perhaps.
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Blue Harrier
Gallente Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2008.11.04 10:31:00 -
[461]
Out next week the 11th.
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Sidrat Flush
Caldari Life is Experience
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Posted - 2008.11.04 11:19:00 -
[462]
I like how the person who pays for fewer accounts are the free loaders :p
Great thanks man - I don't have the inclination, time or spare cash to spend on another account, but hey I'm enjoying the game so far, I'm reading about the changes and am very tempted to instal the sisi download just so I can umm you know - look at the proposed changes and put my opinion to the devs/CSM in the relevant forum.
Maybe I'll come up with a good idea or two or perhaps not.
Important thing is - instead of whining about changes I'll at least try and come up with alternative proposals that achieve the same desired result without nerfing everyone else too much, I suppose that's why it's called ballancing.
CCP as a company have had more than a few screwups regarding customer service and patches and stuff, but still it's the only company I know that will actually post on the forums and give feedback (although the devs have now been gagged to stop rumour and false promises, which sadly is understandable), and still even then they talk to/with their customer base far more than other companies.
I'm waiting for fan-fest as the news will be hitting the site every hour or so, but don't worry if you don't like the proposed changes as they could change before hitting the live server - or they may not be changed in which case you can either whineragequit (in that order) or you can erm what's the phrase... Oh yes Adapt.
Pirates have had to adapt when warp to zero was introduced. Everyone had to adapt when sov mechanics were introduced. Those that did it well probably had logged time in the test server to see what it was all about and then report back to their alliance/corp mates.
A pro-active approach helps far far more than whineragequit posts. I'm not going to cancel my one account subscription for the foreseeable future so if you need to take your twenty alt accounts off line we'll enjoy stackless IO and Eve 64 operations far far better without you. Oh and as an empire dweller I think I speak on behalf of every industrialist but we could do with less merchants hogging the places up too. Pirates and 0.0 keep blowing stuff up and buying from empire pretty please?
-------------------------- Life is about memories the more the better.
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Little Fistter
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Posted - 2008.11.06 19:20:00 -
[463]
Originally by: Anna Kommenos ....i take it this is sposed to distract us from the near simultaneous nerf of nano's and minmatar, and the end of ghost training? some shiny medal sprite on my character page or bio???? wow....and here i thought i wanted an honest ccp who provided real content :P
What is "Ghost Training"??? I have a clone, but no ghost.
Are we finally be allowed to train our alts? That would rock. Suggestion: Please color jump gates the same color as the system security rating of the destination system in the overview.
LITTLE FISTTER
Broken Sigs?
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Fiona Mars
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Posted - 2008.11.07 05:02:00 -
[464]
Originally by: hernessahoo when are we going to be able to land on planets and walk in stations? thats the big expansion that i dream about every night.....
You need to eat more cheese. :P
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Guyuti
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Posted - 2008.11.07 11:37:00 -
[465]
Are there any Patch notes yet or will these be nerfed after this Patch coz it really does not look like an expansion
Guy
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Corbin Swift
Minmatar WD-40
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Posted - 2008.11.07 13:34:00 -
[466]
Originally by: Little Fistter
What is "Ghost Training"??? I have a clone, but no ghost.
Are we finally be allowed to train our alts? That would rock.
Only the most talked about topic ever on these forums.
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Leyline777
Surge.
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Posted - 2008.11.09 02:08:00 -
[467]
Originally by: Sidrat Flush I like how the person who pays for fewer accounts are the free loaders :p
Great thanks man - I don't have the inclination, time or spare cash to spend on another account, but hey I'm enjoying the game so far, I'm reading about the changes and am very tempted to instal the sisi download just so I can umm you know - look at the proposed changes and put my opinion to the devs/CSM in the relevant forum.
Maybe I'll come up with a good idea or two or perhaps not.
Important thing is - instead of whining about changes I'll at least try and come up with alternative proposals that achieve the same desired result without nerfing everyone else too much, I suppose that's why it's called ballancing.
CCP as a company have had more than a few screwups regarding customer service and patches and stuff, but still it's the only company I know that will actually post on the forums and give feedback (although the devs have now been gagged to stop rumour and false promises, which sadly is understandable), and still even then they talk to/with their customer base far more than other companies.
I'm waiting for fan-fest as the news will be hitting the site every hour or so, but don't worry if you don't like the proposed changes as they could change before hitting the live server - or they may not be changed in which case you can either whineragequit (in that order) or you can erm what's the phrase... Oh yes Adapt.
Pirates have had to adapt when warp to zero was introduced. Everyone had to adapt when sov mechanics were introduced. Those that did it well probably had logged time in the test server to see what it was all about and then report back to their alliance/corp mates.
A pro-active approach helps far far more than whineragequit posts. I'm not going to cancel my one account subscription for the foreseeable future so if you need to take your twenty alt accounts off line we'll enjoy stackless IO and Eve 64 operations far far better without you. Oh and as an empire dweller I think I speak on behalf of every industrialist but we could do with less merchants hogging the places up too. Pirates and 0.0 keep blowing stuff up and buying from empire pretty please?
Id like to adress a few problems with this line of thought Sidrat.
1. Yes I agree with you on equal input etc and the need to be pro-active. However, have you read the HUGE amount of threads stating mathematics and issues created by the sisi clone atm? They have killed off solo/small gang pvp (especially in lowsec under gate guns) whereas blob warfare will only get blobbier. Im all for change and adapt, im a pirate its what i do almost 24/7. But when people who have been training for YEARS and spent billions upon billions on ships training etc get there asses handed to them by the devs there is a right to be mad.
Especially when the devs ignored our feedback and issues that they specifically requested. Yes there have been too many flames but its a symptom of what is going on in eve lately. They are taking the sandbox out of sandbox MMO.
CCP doesnt really do that customer service thing (ever used petition system before?). I and my corpies have logged time on sisi and were telling you its ABSOLUTELY aweful.
Please load a copy and see for yourself. Another thing, if pirates get shot out of lowsec whos going to buy your pretty ships? Major alliances tend to be self sufficient my friend. --
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David Grogan
Gallente Crusaders of the Darkstar Freedom Force.
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Posted - 2008.11.12 11:42:00 -
[468]
was it necessary to spend time and money altering the jump gates (to the point of breaking them yes people's characters are getting stuck all over eve galaxy) in this expansion? surely the money earned from our subscriptions should have been better spent on your bug fixing department rather then making gates look fancy......to be honest the gates were fine as they were and didnt need to be fiddled with.
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Mula Miner
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Posted - 2008.11.18 00:37:00 -
[469]
"...to be honest the gates were fine as they were and didnt need to be fiddled with."
null I like the new gates, they keep the game looking fresh, however, I do agree with the spirit of the comment above. It is getting important to concentrate on keeping the game playable. Many are complaining, in Quantum Rise about lag issues and seeing weird things happen because of it. |
Sentry Hunter
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Posted - 2008.11.18 08:21:00 -
[470]
should be twilling zone expansion, since u upgrate last time I cant play my 3 accounts, I cant work like that, I believe many people cant, and where is the help channel, there is none? b4 expansion I could run missions fine, now I cant MINE.,I NEED HELP, SOMEONE PLEASE SEND ME TO THE RIGHT TREATH< Im not upset Im ****
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